Thread 720428968

Did either of them actually have a chance?

>>720428968 (OP)
The Saturn most certainly had a chance. It came out the same year and was perfectly capable of 3D graphics and even PSX style transparency (Burning Rangers proved this). The issue was and continues to be the western market and it's temperamental tastes, of which Sony knew how to exploit properly.

>>720428968 (OP)
Both are better than the shovelware station.

>>720429085
The niche, 2 hour game with glitchy graphics...it could've saved the Saturn!

>>720429191
Yeah because I said any of that

>>720429085
the hardware was "perfectly capable" but "perfectly capable" is not good enough. the console was carried in japan by virtua fighter, sales completely flatlined by 1997 https://www.neogaf.com/threads/media-create-sales-week-19-2012-may-07-may-13.474361/page-13#post-38012869

Had the cheaper carts with larger storage and better compression techniques from the early 2000s came earlier, the N64 probably would have gotten more games and ports (also the 64DD fucked up a lot of the N64's development), despite that it sold alright, specially in software sales.
Saturn was fucked from the start, SoA and SoJ's autistic hatred for each other plus its library being too otaku-pandering wouldn't have gotten much success in other countries.

>>720429106
The n64 has only like 200 games and shit loads of shovelware

Realistically, no. But snoy's israeli tier sabotage with studios and publishers played a big part on their failures all the same, whether you want to admit it or not.

>>720428968 (OP)
Its like asking if whytebois with tiny white peckers have a chance

>>720429373
Is it true Snoy killed MJ with the help of Israel to get back their music catalogue?

>>720429368
It has more games I like.
>>720429373
Comparing them to Israel isn't too far off, considering a Jew from Sony joined SoA and within a few years the company was out of the console market, and of course he was hired back at Sony after.

No. At best Saturn could play second fiddle to the PS1, but the PS1 had the bulk of 3rd party support.

I can't speak for other countries but here the Saturn and Playstation were expensive as fuck when they came out and only dropped their prices when the N64 gave them competition
The playstation was $800 in 1996 but dropped down to $200 by Christmas 1997, the N64 was very competitive for its first few years and was only really held back by how expensive some of the games were

>>720429324
Okay here's something PS1 was "perfectly capable" of, a fucking Z buffer. Which in that regard Saturn shit all over PS1. Why didn't that kill the PlayStation?

>>720428968 (OP)
no, it took a brilliant person to realize that the population of poors was actually really high so making an off-brand system and selling it cheap was a, as the primary consumers of that brands would say, "slammed dunk"

the saturn has good games if you know japanese

>>720429695
the saturn didn't have hardware z-buffering wtf are you talking about

>>720428968 (OP)
Against the PS1? No. For the Saturn, it must've been an absolute humiliation ritual having your biggest games be some arcade ports and mediocre originals like Bug and Tranny Clown. N64 came out too late and thirdies couldn't pirate the cartridges.

Sega was fucked. By releasing the saturn when they did they were fighting on three fronts at once in the mid nineties and lost all of them.
>got btfo by nintendo in16 bit consoles
>got btfo by sony in 32 bit consoles
>got btfo my namco in the arcades
And there's not really anything they could have done. Put too much into the genesis and they lose out to sony. Put too much into the saturn and they lose out on the massive genesis/mega drive install base. Put too much into the arcades and their home consoles suffer. Unwinnable.

>>720428968 (OP)
>Saturn
Nope, at least in America
>Nintendo 64
Yes but they fucked up with the DD64 and many other aspects of the business back then.

>>720428968 (OP)
Only the N64 did

>>720429368
Not too many. Play all of them real quick.

>>720429471
ps1 shits all over that weak ass line up

>>720432269
Nu.

>Saturn
lol. lmao.

>>720432269
Wrong.

>>720432331
yeah
sotn, silent hill, mgs, crash2, re2, spyro2, ctr, rr4, ff7. its almost laughable how shit the n64 is in comparison

>>720429085
It was a nightmare to program to be on the same level as the PS1, especially since it used quads instead of triangles for it's 3D graphics for some retarded reasons. The system excelled in 2D but the 3D half was literally tossed in at the last minute to compete with the Playstation once they heard Sony was entering the race and it shows.

>>720432408
>silent hill, mgs, ff7
The trifecta of movie slop.

>>720432404
nah

>>720432416
>The system excelled in 2D
No it didn't, the garbage fillrate and limited transparencies held it back.

>>720432446
those three games alone are better than the entire 64 library combined

>>720432546
>games

>>720432575
correct

>>720432602
Movie Gear Solid is not a game.

>>720432528
>snoy blathers about things he doesn't know about
>again

>>720432635
Movie Gear Solid is a game.

>>720432647
great argument faggotron you sure showed me

>>720432408
Nu.

>>720433028
yu.

>>720433068
kobayashi