Thread 720461402

>Get the highest tier GPU and CPU
>Still not able to play games natively without AI bullshit
>Even that is not enough
PC gaming is a fucking scam now.

>>720461402 (OP)
That's why I decided not to build a new PC with 9800X3D and upgraded my current PC to 5700X3D instead.

If I can't play at 60 fps on this, I won't bother.

>>720461871
ever since games started actually using more than 2 cores they are much less CPU bound. 5700x3D should last you a very long time, definitely more than your GPU will

It only got this bad because people excuse this shit and keep giving these companies money. Stop buying games using unreal engine 5.

>>720462340
Nah, Unreal Engine 5 in particular is heavily single threaded for game logic.
They already confirmed that only starting with UE6 they'll be more multi threaded.

My old 3600 was more of a bottleneck than my old 2070S.

>>720461402 (OP)
literally just stop being poor

>>720461402 (OP)
>Open menu
>See 4k
>Click it
>Click 1080
>Now the game runs fine

>buttcheeks
what happened to professionalism. I expect that coming from someone in grade school

>>720461402 (OP)
>Currynigger game on Currynigger engine
Shock and Horror!

>>720462694
This. Only seething shitskins on this board and site in general have issues like this. I hate poorfags shitting up everything.

>>720461402 (OP)
5090 is a poorfag gpu. Most 4k builds these days are running rtx 6000 PROs. I don't give a fuck if it doesn't run good on shit hardware

>"Get this GPU that's primarily used for workstations and AI to brute force gaming performance or else you're a poorfag"
The Average IQ of /v/ is now less than 80. So many retards here.

>>720461402 (OP)
I immediately knew this was going to be the end result of all the showing off easy framerate gains when it all started first being peddled years ago
>oh this can turn a 30 fps game into 60?
>cool we're now targeting 30fps with it on

>>720462796
>Currynigger game on Currynigger engine
>Shock and Horror!
lel

>15 years ago
>wow this game gets 20fps at ultra settings on my midrange gpu this is great. Now let's turn down those stupid settings to get 40-60

>now
>NOO I PUT ALL ULTRA SETTINGS@4K I ONLY GET 20FPS WTF LAZY DEVS CANT OPTIMIZE I AM SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING 144FPS

>>720465742
>>NOO I PUT ALL ULTRA SETTINGS@4K I ONLY GET 20FPS WTF LAZY DEVS CANT OPTIMIZE I AM SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING 144FPS
why did you skip the part where the GPU is the absolute top end $2000 +scalper tax +government tax +tip GPU?

randy's reverse midas' touch turns yet another thing into a steaming pile of shit

>>720465742
Hey retarded shill, game developers make games for people to play. If pc gamers' expectations these days are performance over graphics then they should make their game engine target that.

>>720461402 (OP)
Pitchford Himself already said the game is well optimized for the future, not his fault you're trying to play a 2027 game with 2024 hardware.

>>720461402 (OP)

It's been a scam ever since the 10 series. Also coincidentally around that time is when the release of games, especially good games slowed way the fuck down. The gaming industry sucks now. It's just not worth it to build a cutting edge pc anymore.

>>720461402 (OP)
I bought that CPU to emulate PS4 games even though there aren't any.

You bought it because you're retarded and think you need more than a 5 year old CPU for modern video games.

We are not the same.

>>720461402 (OP)
You don't have to use max settings

>>720461402 (OP)
>PC gaming
Anon...

>>720465742
15 years ago GPU and CPU companies weren’t in a arms race with code monkey incompetence that somehow manages to make $10,000 PCs stutter

>>720462796
This, but unironically

>>720465742
>15 years ago
>wow this game gets 400fps on my high end system, this is absolutely insane

>now
>wow this games gets 20fps on my high end system, this is absolute trash

game runs like shit? less money for you, corpo-shill :)

>>720469994
It rarely makes more than 10% of a difference. The performance hogs are all the shit that doesn't scale with the increasingly pointless low/med/high/ultra/epic nonsense.

>>720461402 (OP)
Boycott UE5.

its borderlands. it should run on a potato

>>720461402 (OP)
it's a scam because developers are being paid off by manufacturers to bog down their games with no optimization so you will forever be forced to buy the next new thing

>>720472308
Or I could just not buy their slop and be happy.

>>720461402 (OP)
Stop playing on a toaster and buy a real computer, stupid broke ass 3rd worlder

>>720465742
>wow this game gets 20fps at ultra settings on my midrange gpu this is great. Now let's turn down those stupid settings to get 40-60
Scaling doesn't really work and hasn't for a LONG time. 20 years ago dropping texture resolution mattered. Cards were fill rate limited and using 1/4 the pixels meant a 50% speedup given geometry overhead was fixed. Similarly draw distances, spending CPU to draw less made a large difference.
But then GPUs got so outrageously fast that NOT reducing quality to save CPU time was more efficient than figuring out what to draw and what not to draw. Textures (and non-image maps) became "free", so any automated size reduction was worthless, even if you ran out of VRAM because the driver was rearranging draw calls anyway, it could efficiently swap textures like it was nothing.
But now we have a problem where the shaders are generic monsters with 0 optimisation that run slow because they have 100 blocking memory reads per pixel and serialise the fuck out of the pipeline. Nobody is making 5 different shaders to give quality differences for the 5 presets, you're just changing the size of some little used voxel maps and the scale of the contact shadow buffer. Irrelevant shit. You're lucky to get a 10fps difference between Low and Ultra.

>>720472042
boycotting an entire engine on the belief it delivers poor performance (instead of just avoiding poorly optimized games regardless of engine) is retarded

If you preorder games you encourage this. If you buy full priced unoptimized garbage you encourage this. If you buy reduced price garbage that has not been patched to actually fucking run well, you encourage this.
You have the power to stop encouraging this, but the consumer is cattle.

UE5 is to blame for this, along with deferred rendering, memetracing, and other shitty gimmicks
things are so much worse compared to the unity days...

>>720473247
just get a better pc retard

>>720473372
this is also me btw >>720472792

>>720473506
yes it is, retard. you just need a better pc, have you tried increasing your ram? or since you're on v you probably don't know what ram is

looks like randy hired some pajeet shills for damage control

>>720461402 (OP)
>stylized game
>still loaded with terrible performance
what was randy THINKING?!

>>720473596
you can't samefag as other posters you stupid retard. do you have brain damage?

>>720461402 (OP)
It's their fault for byuing that shit game. borderlands in the current year, really?

>>720461402 (OP)
>PC gaming is a fucking scam now.
Always was.
Consolechads stay winning.

>>720461402 (OP)
People who actually have said hardware have taken the DLSS pill long ago. The only people who cry about native are people who
>can't play the game at all because they're Brazilian phoneposters
>are on ancient hardware

>>720461402 (OP)
best settings for 5090/9950x3D?

>>720474189
low dlss performance mode

>>720461402 (OP)
good thing its a cartoon game, and i can turn down/off a ton of settings and not negatively affect anything, lol

>>720461402 (OP)
This was inevitable and it will only get worse. With time upscaling will become mandatory and an essential part of rendering systems.
This technology does not exist to give you a better product, it exists to make developing games cheaper. Instead of needing expensive, expert developers you can get much cheaper employees with less experience and bargaiining power that build the game with brute-force methods instead of the complicated smoke and mirrors of old. Then you just render the thing at lower resolution and throw it an upscaler.

For the same reason companies will attempt to force in fully AI based rendering even if it makes your machine scream in pain and quintuple your electricty bill. Financials driven corporations do not care about quality.

>>720474189
4x framegen, then adjust DLSS upscaling level based on performance at your target resolution. Leave it on badass.

>>720474513
no to frame gen, it feels like molasses for some reason

>>720474346
This all sounds cope if you're a poorfag lmao. AI is based.

>>720474571
With upscaling, it shouldn't. Upscaling done with the right settings should more than counter any latency added by framegen.

>>720473634
Every thread about PC performance is full of these faggots. They did the same shit with Dragon's Dogma 2 and Monster Hunter Wilds until even the normalfags had enough.

>>720474657
okay I'll try it out, I've been running DLSS - Full Resolution with NVidia Reflex + Boost.
someone said to turn off Volumetric Fog, gonna do that as well. been running all max graphics

>>720461402 (OP)
Why does a cell-shaded game need hardware above potato? What are they doing? 50 layers of shaders before hiding everything behind cell shading lmao?

>>720475116
incompetence on the part of developers

>>720475116
This isn't 2005 anymore, retard. Get a better PC.

>>720461402 (OP)
Brought to you by Unreal Engine 5™

The crazy thing is that you can just crank down the settings and it looks exactly the same. Sadly you only get like 10 extra frames.

Makes me nostalgic for that bl2 tech with the elemental puddles, totally melted my POS machine, but at least it looked cool.

>playing AAA in Anno Domini 2015+10
lol
lmao

>>720473596
>>720475602
would you rather have 200 fps or 40fps with a maxed out gaming rig? I believe a game running on older hardware nets more profit for developers.

>>720475932
>t. poorfag playing indie games about troon depression

>>720476061
40fps on a maxed out gaming rig with ray tracing is better than a shitty looking game being run at 200fps.
>I believe a game running on older hardware nets more profit for developers.
3rd worlders dont have money.

>>720475913
I remember playing BL2 on my old shitrig, and then upgrading to something that could use PhysX and being fucking amazed at what I was seeing.
You rarely get that experience in games these days. The only thing that really impressed me in the graphics department recently was KCD2, just because of how wonderfully true to life they made the world. I live in a rural area, and it was like they made a game that takes place in my backyard. But that's not so much tech as it is just good visual direction.

>>720462746
Who cares? Professionalism was always dishonest and forced.

>>720461402 (OP)
garbage game for turbo niggers and retards, no wonder paid shitskins jeets run defense operation in this thread

>>720476063
I'd rather buy a real piano than waste money on a $4000 computer to play garbage shat out by indians

>>720477017
pianos are fucking retarded though, why would you even want a piano? they are boring after their first use

>>720477017
yeah, a talentless poorfag like you would definitely never get any use out of a piano. retard.

>>720461402 (OP)
QUESTION
I've looked at this game
It's a cel-shaded game
It looks like prior Borderlands games
What in this game actually justifies the performance? This is baffling. I don't understand

>>720477209
Nothing justifies it, don't buy the game.

>>720477394
This.

Big game studios rush out half baked games. If you want them to stop doing this, stop buying games before or on release.

Once the execs realize doing this is unprofitable we'll see games actually being playable on release.

>>720461402 (OP)
sar, vishnu engine 5 very redeemful
do the needful and do not redeem this post sar

>>720462340
It's gotten way more CPU bound now because nanite and high resolution textures abuse compression algorithms while raytracing also uses a lot of CPU cycles to compute rays before sending it to the GPU. Not to mention denuvo basically running the game in a vm just to fuck with legitimate buyers

>>720479174
Now show it at DLSS Quality with framegen.

>>720479389
vomit moment

>>720461402 (OP)
It will run like dogshit on consoles too.

>>720479573
Now post Windows regional settings.

the worst part of it all is that its not some graphically mind blow that game we all dreamed future games could look like. it looks like borderlands 2

>>720479389
nice try lakshman
imagine defending this utter pile of indian poo with framegen and upscaling

>>720461402 (OP)
Not to sound cliche but it's not about what parts you have its about how you use them. I have a fairly high spec PC but I use it to play games how I want. I don't run 4K ultra giga nigga settings that's retarded. Use DLSS/FSR/XESS/ as needed. Or play old games. Or emulate. Mod your games etc. Run at 1440p because it uses less power than 4K anyway and looks amazing in it's own right. Run 1080p if you have to . Who cares if you can't run at ultra settings? People so often forget that pcs can tune settings and the fact that games ultimately should be about FUN.

>>720461402 (OP)
Pc gaming is all about playing pre 2000 games and modding them anyway

>>720480089
>buy a $2000 gpu
>have to think about graphics settings in a cartoony ahh lookin game
sybau, ganesh

>>720475932
>tfw know it's there but I can't see it
heh
not bad...

>>720479939
See >>720479691

>>720472812
i dont play new games so i dont know how true this is but i believe it.