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Anonymous No.720513571 >>720513694 >>720513796 >>720514338 >>720514416 >>720514423 >>720514535 >>720514578 >>720514701 >>720514723 >>720514847 >>720515372 >>720515468 >>720515574 >>720515643 >>720515842 >>720515994 >>720516180 >>720517264 >>720518583 >>720518973 >>720520871 >>720521314 >>720521604 >>720522479 >>720522961 >>720523038 >>720525273 >>720525431 >>720526156 >>720526369 >>720526587 >>720526965 >>720527162 >>720527219 >>720527226 >>720527227 >>720527240 >>720527458 >>720528167 >>720528664 >>720529401 >>720530642 >>720532829 >>720533234 >>720534891 >>720535051 >>720535087 >>720537063 >>720537139 >>720537152 >>720537470 >>720537546 >>720537709
>"RAYTRACING IS BAD BECAUSE... BECAUSE I'M POOR OKAY"
Anonymous No.720513650 >>720514234
this marketing tactic is so tired
some up with something else
Anonymous No.720513694 >>720514701 >>720516416
>>720513571 (OP)
>FPS
>116
>44
Anonymous No.720513796 >>720514234 >>720514743
>>720513571 (OP)
"you're poor" is the "git gud" of marketers
Anonymous No.720513842 >>720514321 >>720514979 >>720518653 >>720525523
>Real time RT:20fps
>Baked RT: 200fps
you know you can just bake that right? Someone post the batman game screenshots or something.
Anonymous No.720514234
>>720513650
>>720513796
yep. so tiresome.
Anonymous No.720514321 >>720515913 >>720516276
>>720513842
You know this game has a day/night cycle and weather systems right?
Anonymous No.720514338
>>720513571 (OP)
Considering RT is about pushing the cost of running games onto the consumer it's the devs admitting they are too poor to pay employees.
Anonymous No.720514416
>>720513571 (OP)
Left looks better plus artistic intention
Anonymous No.720514423
>>720513571 (OP)
>fuck-all to do in both scenes

YAY
Anonymous No.720514535 >>720514610 >>720514646 >>720515550
>>720513571 (OP)
>PS1 had raytracing
Why is Nvidia so behind?
Anonymous No.720514578
>>720513571 (OP)
Contrast of the overall image is better with pt off
Anonymous No.720514610 >>720516413 >>720527315
>>720514535
HL2 was even better Anon.
Anonymous No.720514646 >>720529745 >>720537935
>>720514535

Reflections != Raytracing
Anonymous No.720514701
>>720513571 (OP)
Imagine being an obsessive immersionfag. Sounds taxing
>>720513694
YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO NOTICE THAT
sage No.720514723
>>720513571 (OP)
was getting laughed out of /g/ not enough for you?
Anonymous No.720514743 >>720526775
>>720513796
they're not wrong though.
Anonymous No.720514847 >>720514989
>>720513571 (OP)
>poorfag seethe thread
Anonymous No.720514979
>>720513842
Name a single game, dynamic lighting or not, that matches the quality of games with path tracing
Anonymous No.720514989
>>720514847
*daily
Anonymous No.720515318
rasterfags don't understand the technologies involved with lighting and reflections and the limitation of those technologies so it's pointless to even discuss the issue with them
Anonymous No.720515372 >>720515973
>>720513571 (OP)
>44FPS with path tracing on
Man your build is FUCKED. My 3080 Ti plays at 4K with full path tracing at 58FPS. Get better mods.
Anonymous No.720515468
>>720513571 (OP)
with good lighting artist all of that is achievable other than the "perfect" reflections
Anonymous No.720515490
Left looks better.
Anonymous No.720515550 >>720516032
>>720514535
gba had ray tracing
Anonymous No.720515574
>>720513571 (OP)
silky smooth 44fps
Anonymous No.720515643
>>720513571 (OP)
left is more pleasing to look at even if right is more realistic
Anonymous No.720515842 >>720525593
>>720513571 (OP)
Anonymous No.720515864 >>720518120
more like gay-tracing lmao
Anonymous No.720515913 >>720518309 >>720518653
>>720514321
yes we really need realtime day/night rather than 2-4 baked settings
Anonymous No.720515973 >>720521683
>>720515372
You using the one mod that was on digital foundry? Assuming performance dlss? Are you able to use transformer rr?
Anonymous No.720515994
>>720513571 (OP)
Both look nice. Different moods. Why do the lobby windows turn green in the brighter image?
Anonymous No.720516032
>>720515550
>5090 is struggling to do what a GBA did
Anonymous No.720516180
>>720513571 (OP)
No, raytracing is bad because it takes a very large toll on performance in return for a negligible return on visual quality.
>y-you're just poor!
It doesn't matter how good your card is, there's always a better use for your card's power than rendering lights and reflections in the most performance intensive way possible.
Anonymous No.720516276 >>720518653 >>720526767
>>720514321
So games without d/n cycle don't need baked in lighting?
Anonymous No.720516413
>>720514610
>1998 ps1 game
>2004 pc game
no shit it looks better
Anonymous No.720516416
>>720513694
OY VEY, STOP NOOOTICING OUR NJUDEA TRICK
Anonymous No.720516579 >>720527051
Anonymous No.720517171
Left looks better
Anonymous No.720517264
>>720513571 (OP)
Damn that looks impressive! So does it make the game into a proper serious gritty RPG like promised in marketing?
It doesn't?
Then what's the fucking point.
Come back with a Nvidia plugin that makes the gameplay better.
Anonymous No.720517962
A real comparison needs to equalize fps. So you would need to compare no rt at 4k max settings to 360p with rt and low settings for everything else. Then you can see if the rt image looks better.
Anonymous No.720518120
>>720515864
>more like gay-tracing lmao
true look at the ads on the right, very jewish
Anonymous No.720518250
It's bad becsuse of noise
Anonymous No.720518309 >>720518653 >>720518930
>>720515913
Why not 100 baked settings?
Anonymous No.720518583
>>720513571 (OP)
Left has more sovl.
Anonymous No.720518653
>>720513842
>>720516276
>>720515913
>>720518309
>muh day/night
>muh baked
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Ocarina of Time is both and completely mogs.
Anonymous No.720518930
>>720518309
Computer graphics has always been a balancing act between computational and memory requirements.
Anonymous No.720518973 >>720521471
>>720513571 (OP)
>4080
>44fps
Anonymous No.720520871
>>720513571 (OP)
>Scene looks far worse stylistically
>"But its better because it's more REALISTIC
Anonymous No.720521314
>>720513571 (OP)
lol why doesn't the glass have reflections in non rt like the trimming around it does? also it would be painfully easy to achieve a similar effect with those pink lights if they weren't completely shameless nvidia dicksuckers.
Anonymous No.720521471
>>720518973
Nah you're just poor bro! GET SOME CHEESE BRO
Anonymous No.720521604
>>720513571 (OP)
>artist's vision
>"nvidia told us to sell gpus"
Anonymous No.720521683
>>720515973
No? Go on nexusmods and look for the ray reconstruction/path tracing mod.
Anonymous No.720522479 >>720522748
>>720513571 (OP)
another thing the njudea shills never tell you is how fucking awful PT looks in motion (especially with ray reconstruction). it takes 0.5s for the image to stabilize itself after turning into a blurry, muddy mess with any sort of camera movement going on. That's why you only ever see static screenshots with very obviously little to no movement going on in the scene showcasing muh path traycing
>t. 4080 super owner
Anonymous No.720522748 >>720523229
>>720522479
>4080 super owner
You're poor. That GPU is massively outdated. I'm so tired of retarded poorfags like you shitting on ray tracing, when everyone who has a half decent GPU knows how good it is.
Anonymous No.720522961
>>720513571 (OP)
Raytracing has basically nothing to do with why those look entirely different.
They just changed the lighting totally, independently of the raytracing being enabled or not to make it seem like its having a larger effect.
Ray tracing wouldn't up the brightness or increase the intensity/saturation of the pink lighting. That is an independent variable from the lighting simulation.
Anonymous No.720523038
>>720513571 (OP)
I don't need anything more than pic related. a smooth 4k 144hz and looks better the art style looks better than any game out there
Anonymous No.720523229 >>720525648
>>720522748
HOLY SHIT! PT+RR is flawless now that I have 100fps instead of 60! All for the reasonable premium of +$1500!
and madarchod to you too, ranjeet.
Anonymous No.720525273
>>720513571 (OP)
Okay, now post some old games lighting and color palette
Anonymous No.720525431
>>720513571 (OP)
RT is a crutch
Anonymous No.720525523
>>720513842
A 5070 can run cyberpunk with RT
Anonymous No.720525593
>>720515842
anon dont you know how warped plexiglass warps reflections? also glass in general warps because of the sunlight exposure over the years
Anonymous No.720525648 >>720526131
>>720523229
>turns on DLSS Quality at 1440p
>Suddenly that 4070Ti gets 80 fps
And this is without any frame generation bullshit. And it somehow looks better than the TAA smear.
Anonymous No.720526131 >>720529007
>>720525648
>spend 2 grand
>play at 720p
>still worse looking and feeling than non rt would
Anonymous No.720526156 >>720526267
>>720513571 (OP)
How does this affect gameplay?
Anonymous No.720526267
>>720526156
Makes the controls feel worse and fucks up your timing.
Anonymous No.720526369
>>720513571 (OP)
>left
>realistic lighting
>right
>literally everything is a mirror
Nice gimmick for 30% the framerate, retard.
Anonymous No.720526587 >>720526867 >>720537608
>>720513571 (OP)
This terrifies the brown third worlder
Anonymous No.720526657 >>720527107
I love how PCfags are crying about how there's nothing like Crysis 2.0 out there to test the capabilities of their $5000 RGBT shitboxes but the moment any demanding technology that has huge impact on visuals comes out and is utilized in modern vidya they just shit their pants and cry over framerates and how it's just a useless gimmick and anyways graphics shouldn't have evolved beyond Duke Nukem 3D.
Anonymous No.720526767
>>720516276
They can bake lighting but it's bound to increase their size. Dead Island 2 has great baked lighting (one of the best looking games in general) and it's an Unreal 4 game.
Anonymous No.720526775 >>720526893
>>720514743
yes they are faggot. they should git gud at making this junk run at higher frames than 30
Anonymous No.720526867
>>720526587
lol lmao, you think that's scary i can't tell the difference between RTX and RTX off anymore
Anonymous No.720526893 >>720527151
>>720526775
Maybe in the next 10 years you'll be able to afford a dedicated GPU and play your childhood games with raytracing turned on in frames higher than 30.
Anonymous No.720526965
>>720513571 (OP)
i literally cant play without full rt or pathtracing. just look at this. the baked version looks so bad and unrealistic.
Anonymous No.720527051 >>720527086 >>720527238
>>720516579
RDR2 is extremely polished art direction, it's not technically advanced. GTA V Enhanced is unironically more advanced than current RDR2.
Anonymous No.720527086 >>720527250
>>720527051
...so what you fucking retard
Anonymous No.720527107
>>720526657
Yes, it has a huge impact on visuals. A negative one because rt makes shit look worse.
Anonymous No.720527151 >>720527263
>>720526893
>ignores the point to talk about money
stupid nigger
Anonymous No.720527162
>>720513571 (OP)
i like the left one better
Anonymous No.720527219
>>720513571 (OP)
>Lost 70 fps for this when the first pic doesn't even look bad
No thanks
Anonymous No.720527226
>>720513571 (OP)
>116 fps
>44 fps

See, it's about cost/benefit analysis. Yeah it's a neat feature sure, but is it worth the tradeoff? It's not. It reminds me of when The Witcher 3 first came out and it had that hairworks feature that gave the hair of the main characters a bit more of a realistic look. Yeah, the difference was there, it was immediately apparent. But it also fucking killed the performance of the game at the time and cut the framerate in half. It's not that the feature is "bad", it's just that it simply isn't worth what you're sacrificing to implement it.
Anonymous No.720527227
>>720513571 (OP)
I mean whoever that guy is, is indeed poor by your standards because their hardware is unable to deliver playable performance with it on. I might accept that kind of frame rate on a portable toy, but for gaming pc or home console that's too low.
Anonymous No.720527238 >>720527368
>>720527051
>bwo gtu5 is more advncud bcuz tehy added single bounce rtgi
lowest iq in the room award goes to ((You))
Anonymous No.720527240
>>720513571 (OP)
what if you just had good art design and didn't need ray tracing as a crutch?
Anonymous No.720527250 >>720527348 >>720527451
>>720527086
It shouldn't be the benchmark standard. If a game had a lot of technology thrown at it like Cyberpunk, then it should be treated as such. even if I find the artstyle to be quite ugly in some areas.
Anonymous No.720527263
>>720527151
Why should technology wait for the consumers? Some things are ahead of the times... For PC faggots, all of them.
Anonymous No.720527315
>>720514610
HL2 unironically looks better than most modern games.
Anonymous No.720527348
>>720527250
i want the end result of good ass graffix, rdr2 mogs cp and gta:ee
Anonymous No.720527368
>>720527238
Two bounces now and yes, the indirect lighting makes all the difference. RDR2 can fuck itself because everything it's known for is already done better in Flight Simulator.
Anonymous No.720527401 >>720527471
Its just a massive performance cost for little visual gain.
Sure if I could turn it on and my FPS wouldn't drop by 100, I would probably turn it on.
But thats not the case so I won't be doing it
Anonymous No.720527451 >>720527576
>>720527250
We are measuring visuals, not technology. Only people with skin in the hardware race put technology over how the fucking end result looks.
Anonymous No.720527458 >>720527580
>>720513571 (OP)
That does look pretty good. The people who are shocked that cutting edge technology has cutting edge requirements are a bit silly.
Anonymous No.720527471
>>720527401
Plus already existing games already do better. Fallout 3 has great day/night cycles.
Anonymous No.720527576 >>720527673
>>720527451
If that's the case then we should all put Journey as the great benchmark for GPUs.
Anonymous No.720527580
>>720527458
People are shocked at how bad the cutting edge technology is not that it is new.
Anonymous No.720527673 >>720527787
>>720527576
Games. Not gpus. If your game doesn't look better then it shouldn't require more expensive gpus to run.
Anonymous No.720527787 >>720528486
>>720527673
You're judging the artistic value and not the technology these games are pushing so you shouldn't hold the GPUs accountable. The devs are at fault for not having such talents.
Anonymous No.720528167 >>720528932 >>720532141 >>720532741
>>720513571 (OP)
>over 1k GPU
>lose 60% of your fps
hahahah, kys OP
Anonymous No.720528486
>>720527787
If your tech loses to artists your tech isn't worth the asking price and the artists should get paid instead.
Anonymous No.720528664
>>720513571 (OP)
1 game
Anonymous No.720528932 >>720528975
>>720528167
my 4070 ti doesn't even lose frames when turning rtx on :/
Anonymous No.720528975
>>720528932
5070ti* derp, they all the same
Anonymous No.720529007 >>720529791
>>720526131
How is a 4070ti 2k usd
Dlss qual isnt 720p
Anonymous No.720529401
>>720513571 (OP)
Left looks more realistic in this case because on the right the lights are just way too bright. Especially the pink lights which would just be an accent piece or whatever and would not bask the area in pink light.
Anonymous No.720529745
>>720514646
So you admit it can be done without gaytracing, Marketer-kun?
Anonymous No.720529791
>>720529007
Oh, so NOW nvidia cares about accuracy of numbers?
Anonymous No.720530429 >>720530920
Why is everyone so disingenuous when it comes to this?
Anonymous No.720530642
>>720513571 (OP)
You are not rich for spending a couple thousand dollars more on a video card. You're just a dumb wagie like everyone else.
Anonymous No.720530920
>>720530429
Nvidia hitched their wagon to it as a way to sell overpriced gpus.
Anonymous No.720532141
>>720528167
>1k is supposed to be a lot
well maybe in the third world where it's your monthly wage
Anonymous No.720532741
>>720528167
As long as I have over 60 FPS I don't care if I lose a million FPS or not.
Anonymous No.720532829
>>720513571 (OP)
yeah, that's why games that's require raytracing are so successful right? oh wait hahahahahah
oh man I didn't do anything and I kept winning. how did this happen?
Anonymous No.720533117
I remember seeing this as a kid and thinking how buff these dudes were.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qW2AiO5jIQ
Anonymous No.720533234
>>720513571 (OP)
Left looks better
Anonymous No.720533480
More like gay tracing, right looks ugly as fuck and is way too bright.
Anonymous No.720534640
I don't know if CDProjekt is incompetent or if Nvidia is evil but the implementation of RT and PT in the game is terrible. I get much better performance without any visual loss when I use the Ultra Plus mod. It even offers a RT+PT bounces option the poorfags who can't run the real PT.
Anonymous No.720534856
It just doesn't make that big of a difference.
Anonymous No.720534891
>>720513571 (OP)
You can have the most butt ass expensive consumer grade video card and still not be able to run RT at 4K 60fps. It’s simply not worth it. And FYI, the RT you see in games is still only calculating a limited number of light bounces, probably no more than 4. When I create photorealistic images in 3D, I set it to 32 bounces… that’s how gimped a PC or console has to be in order to do it in real time. Everything in OPs RT image can be done with PBR lighting, the problem is that the devs didn’t take the time to do it. btw, if you guys think games look bland and soulless now, you better hope RT doesn’t become the standard in your lifetime. Compelling visuals in video games often require bending the rules when it comes to lighting, shadows, etc. RT is incredibly rigid in comparison, severely limiting any kind of artistic direction. Every game will literally follow the same set of lighting calculations that are based on real life. It’s gonna be boring as shit. Anyway, see you tomorrow with the same dogshit bait thread, I know I’m stupid for even writing all this out.
Anonymous No.720535051
>>720513571 (OP)
>Turn brightness up
>Look at muh graphics!
Anonymous No.720535087
>>720513571 (OP)
>4080
>44 fps
maybe you'll get 60 fps with a 5090
Anonymous No.720535113 >>720537547
I can't tell if I had RT enabled here, but probably.
Anonymous No.720537063
>>720513571 (OP)
>MUH PATH TRACING
LOL
Can you tell which of these images has PT enabled?
One of these is 180fps while the other is 30 btw
Anonymous No.720537139
>>720513571 (OP)
Why does every single ray tracingβ„’ image look like some shitty ENB mod from the early 2010?
Anonymous No.720537152
>>720513571 (OP)
this is largely just turning the lights up though? the pink lights don't do anything in the left pic. they're too dim
Anonymous No.720537470
>>720513571 (OP)
I feel like RT is just means for devs to be lazy. There are games prior to RT that had fully functional reflections and lighting and now suddenly consoomers don't expect there to be any of that unless you play on silky smooth 20 consoles frames per second all because le rt meme even a 5090
Anonymous No.720537546
>>720513571 (OP)
>buy gpu for game just to look at fake pixels
Sad.
Anonymous No.720537547
>>720535113
>can't tell
The problem with rayslop summarized in 2 words
Anonymous No.720537608
>>720526587
Chaika not brown! Not third worlder!
Anonymous No.720537709
>>720513571 (OP)
soul vs soulless
Anonymous No.720537935
>>720514646
What is ray tracing in that image then?