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Anonymous No.720518357 [Report] >>720518940 >>720519471 >>720522614 >>720523583 >>720523897 >>720524243 >>720524405 >>720530065 >>720533350 >>720534362 >>720534484 >>720536025
Is Nintendo in terminal decline?
Charging $80 for 18-year old ports, Switch 2 having no games, paid online, open world slop, fucking Virtual Boy games, every Direct being 90% farming and JRPG shovelware.
N-Nintendo/v/ros I don't feel so good...
Anonymous No.720518552 [Report] >>720519004 >>720524405 >>720530160 >>720534416 >>720534701
Yes
the only way to sustain their rapidly dying playerbase is to groom toddlers
Anonymous No.720518940 [Report] >>720519923 >>720524658 >>720532618
>>720518357 (OP)
They avoided the PS3 tier hardware because Iwata was a developer himself who listened to his developers who warned that teams would collapse because they didn't know how to adapt and staff up, and could keep making better games if they stayed on the same team-size and methodology to create Renderware era games. Same with Wii U. They waited until they had the learned lessons of how to enter HD development with more fluid animations and more menial detail work that needs to be done to pass for modern hardware, and the same with adapting to the PS4 generation on Switch 2.
They're in the same decline sony was in 2015. Realizing they only have headroom for a handful of franchises as development staffing has ballooned and costs rise astronomically. They can't justify making open and shut games like in the past based on a 60 dollar price tag considering how much more expensive making "the same stuff" is at a higher level of fidelity and salaries to pay. So they find ways to lucratize it otherwise. Live Service elements, aggressive DLC and in their case, aggressive pricing.
It's a sign that you can't go any further without enshitification and we're seeing the signs of that.
Anonymous No.720519004 [Report] >>720534701
>>720518552
>it's real
Just fucking kill me.
Anonymous No.720519471 [Report] >>720519705 >>720519765 >>720519790 >>720526574 >>720526756 >>720534732
>>720518357 (OP)
Switch 2 broke records for how much it sold at release and continues to get exclusives in it's first 6 months, you aren't their audience. The next Pokemon game Legends Z-A is also gonna sell like 10 million in it's first month, you aren't their target audience. Nintendo has a bunch more games coming out in 2026, you aren't their target audience. Nintendo can raise their prices because they know people can afford it even if your little friend group can't, you aren't their target audience.
Anonymous No.720519705 [Report] >>720519783
>>720519471
Nice cope
Anonymous No.720519765 [Report]
>>720519471
>you aren't their target audience
You can repeat this all you want. /v/ is still more than eager to line Nintendo's pockets.
Also, modern Nintendo products may be aimed at the 1-3 year old demographic, but that isn't an excuse to make shit products. Treating children like retards is why our generation is full of retards.
Anonymous No.720519783 [Report]
>>720519705
Not an argument
Anonymous No.720519790 [Report] >>720520123 >>720520419 >>720522957 >>720524658 >>720530265 >>720537505
>>720519471
It very well could drop off soon. GTA 6 is going to likely stunt it a whole lot. GTA 6 is going to bulldoze everything in the industry.
Anonymous No.720519923 [Report] >>720520551 >>720534012
>>720518940
And here I thought Nintendo by sticking to lower-powered hardware would avoid these pitfalls.
Anonymous No.720519992 [Report]
Just don't buy it then. I'm not. Switch 2 looked like another Wii U from the start and I'm not falling for that again.

I don't care about their other shit, like movies and theme parks. Fuck off.
Anonymous No.720520123 [Report]
>>720519790
The entire western industry is in terminal decline. GTA 6 is not going to stop it, it will be just another soulless product of its environment. Marketing and budget can only take you so far, doubling down on them is just a recipe for disaster.
Anonymous No.720520419 [Report]
>>720519790
I am not scanning my face to play a shitty video game.
Anonymous No.720520551 [Report] >>720521887 >>720528783 >>720533473 >>720534012
>>720519923
It wouldn't because the hardware power itself has nothing to do with why you need 200 people to suddenly make a game of the same scope.
It's because you need more "professional" workers the more advanced it gets. Individuals being specialized in just rock formations. Animation staff who can not just get the jump and fall animations right but make sure there's animation blending between all states of animation.
A Bokoblin in BotW has about 20x more work put into it than most enemies in Twilight Princess combined. That requires a lot of people with specialized skills.
This has long been my problem with AAA. I enjoyed games when they were more make believe. A map was just some people putting 3D geometry together in a whiff of fancy and making it look like whatever inspired them. But since the PS4 you need like a "Building Architect" to make buildings that look like real models built to scale, and with knowledgeable history in architecture to be super duper professional. It takes the charm out of games IMO. It used to be you could tell that a game was inspired by a movie they really liked and they copied the look and feel of certain things. but now games have specialists who have entire educations in a single field that's used on individual assets in the game.

That's also why everything becomes so samey across the entire industry. The methodology is pretty much 1:1 across way more companies at this point, so no matter where you work, you're told to perform the same tasks the same way, because it's all one big mind-meld of retardation. That's also why Nintendo is doing Open World for everything, and why Ubisoft did it to start with.
Anonymous No.720521887 [Report] >>720534012
>>720520551
Is the more powerful hardware and expectations to take advantage of it not the main reason for the drive to make games more "advanced" like this? Otherwise, what's stopping them from just continuing to make PS2/PS3/Vita-level games at the output they used to be able to maintain? Even during the Switch era, they still had a fairly respectable output level and quality, but now Switch 2, unless something changes, is shaping up to be a borderline no-games machine just like the PS5. Not to mention AAA isn't even a mark of quality any more because of all the outsourcing, just look at Starfield. This shit also always seems to go in hand with doubling down on ESG/DEI pandering, probably because they now need the investments to not implode.
Anonymous No.720522614 [Report]
>>720518357 (OP)
>and JRPG shovelware.
You fucking wish. The only JRPG was MHS3.
Anonymous No.720522957 [Report] >>720526884
>>720519790
Dan Houser leaving should be the first read flag about GTA6. Don’t get too cocky with that game lol.

Besides Nintendo is literally one of the only companies that does not care or rely on GTA. Switch 1 already proved this.

Sony and Xbox need GTA URGENTLY both console sales vanishing thanos styles. But don’t get too cocky coz Dan Houser is not here. Once again. That game could end being the biggest dump in gaming history. Don’t be shocked.
Anonymous No.720523248 [Report]
They were in fact, messing around.
Anonymous No.720523383 [Report] >>720530871 >>720533916 >>720534919
>Another anti nintendo thread
>Just forget that every other company out there is worse
Anonymous No.720523583 [Report]
>>720518357 (OP)
Them doing scummy things isn't new, I get that. But 2024 felt like there was a new controversy from them every month on top of a relatively tame lineup.
Which made sense a new console was around the corner, but holy shit did they amplify the anti consumerism tenfold when rolling out Switch 2.
Right off the bat the 2017 energy wasn't there with that lame, cold infographic reveal. Then we got the proper direct and things felt exciting again.. until they didn't because they were hiding the obscene pricing. Now we're here a few months after launch and shit still sucks
Anonymous No.720523897 [Report]
>>720518357 (OP)
It's funny how I never see anyone cry and whine like this when Sony and Microsoft do the exact same things, nor do I ever see months or years of nonstop threads about how evil and demonic Sony and Microsoft are, but Nintendo coughs and /v/irgins go absolutely chimpanzee feral with manufactured outrage.
Anonymous No.720523956 [Report]
macaco thread
Anonymous No.720524243 [Report]
>>720518357 (OP)
It’s not just that Nintendo is greedy. It’s also that they make games nobody asked for like another Mario Tennis instead of a new Mario baseball game which had its previous installment come out 17 years ago. DLC for DK Bananza when Mario Kart World needed it far more...
Anonymous No.720524405 [Report]
>>720518552
>>720518357 (OP)
Nintenchad here. This is what's actually happening:
1. All the old guys that are responsible for every Nintendo game that you love is basically getting too old. Nintendo has diverted away from games because they WILL need other sources of income because the games are going to suffer hard once the old timers are gone.

2. They bumped up the price on everything because the current president is a retard businessman. Right now their strategy is "Nintendo is a premium product, and people WILL pay the premium price." That means games, accessories, controllers, consoles, even fucking Amiibo have been price hiked to a ridiculous amount. Amiibo used to be $13 each. The latest Street Fighter 6 Amiibo were $40. They are right that people WILL pay these prices, but that's not the first wave. There are millions of people who bought a Switch who are not capable of spending what Nintendo is asking. Which means that sales for Nintendo games is going to slow down and drop HARD compared to the Switch 1. It is NOT going to sell like the previous system because Nintendo has priced out a lot of people. Even myself, I have no intention of spending $80 for games. I already have a fuck huge backlog of Switch 1 games, and I'm sure many people are the same.
Anonymous No.720524658 [Report] >>720526404
>>720518940
I expect this generation to last very long and the next, if ever to not really have a graphical leap. The next jump is depending on what they can go for that's cheap. I say AI will be next for Nintendo and that will be way off, and I mean way off, like 20 years. Valve is probably going that same direction after the Steam Deck 2, where we won't see another deck for at least 2 decades. The generational leap for Switch 3 has to be a generational leap and I don't see that happening in 10 years.

>>720519790
>GTA 6
Oh my god, would you shut up
Anonymous No.720526404 [Report] >>720526617 >>720527083
>>720524658
>Oh my god, would you shut up
It's not going to kill you to acknowledge that a highly anticipated game outside of Nintendo's ecosystem is in fact coming out, anon.
Anonymous No.720526574 [Report]
>>720519471
Pokemon will do gangbusters as always but I'm imagining the bulk of that will be Switch 1, like 80%
Anonymous No.720526617 [Report]
>>720526404
Indeed, even in threads that have nothing to do with it we need to turn discussion to it.
Anonymous No.720526756 [Report]
>>720519471
>Nintendo can raise their prices because they know people can afford it
I hope they keep doing it
Anonymous No.720526884 [Report] >>720527014 >>720529960 >>720530034
>>720522957
Dan houser's a shit writer and RDR2's pathetically cucked story is proof of that. Regardless, no one plays GTA for the story. As long as the game is fun enough it'll be a hit. Funny, it's the same philosophy Nintendo used to have.
Anonymous No.720527014 [Report] >>720529960 >>720530034
>>720526884
GTA/RDR stories ain't too bad desu. I've definitely seen shittier writing
Anonymous No.720527083 [Report] >>720527420
>>720526404
You need to stop using it as a clutch in every thread. GTA 6 will not save the AAA industry, it will not save the PlayStation, and it will not save the Xbox, it's over.
Anonymous No.720527420 [Report] >>720528039
>>720527083
>GTA isn't going to sell actually
Anonymous No.720527770 [Report] >>720528036 >>720532739
Nintendo Doom posting up and at it again eh?

Remember when everyone was saying the Switch 1 would be their final console?
Anonymous No.720528036 [Report] >>720528107
>>720527770
>I sure hope Nintendo gets away with lowering the bar so that Sony and Microsoft can lower the bar further so that Nintendo can lower it even further, etc
Anonymous No.720528039 [Report]
>>720527420
Not at $100 and it won't be enough to pay off Rockstars budget.
Anonymous No.720528107 [Report]
>>720528036
Sony and Microsoft already lowered the bar so much that both are going third party, Microsoft even harder than Sony going by the next or should I say last Xbox coming in 2027.
Anonymous No.720528783 [Report]
>>720520551
This is so stupid to me when rendering GameCube and PS2 games in emulators at 4k genuinely looks better than most modern AAA games, and what you're talking about with the animation blending has gameplay consequences that make movement feel much, much worse. Polygon counts and animation quality were already as good in the 6th generation as they ever needed to be, and I have never understood why simply increasing the resolution games of that quality run at or increasing polygon counts and texture resolution requires so much more work.
Anonymous No.720529960 [Report]
>>720526884
>>720527014
My point being that it’s not just the story that will be shit. Dan isn’t just writer. He is one of the co-founders of Rockstar Games lol. He’s the creative entity of many rockstar titles lol. What does that tell you? Development is going smoothly? and no creative differences, right? when some of the leads leave???

People shat and suspected about Fair Games, Marathon, Concord, etc.

GTA6 had multiple delays plus the main creative left. Yet all is well?? Lmao.

We shall see at release date. I suspect an even worse Cyberpunk.
Anonymous No.720530034 [Report] >>720530525 >>720530620 >>720531242
>>720526884
>>720527014
My point being that it’s not just the story that will be shit. Dan isn’t just writer. He is one of the co-founders of Rockstar Games lol. He’s the creative entity of many rockstar titles lol. What does that tell you? Development is going smoothly? and no creative differences, right? when some of the leads leave???

People shat and suspected about Fair Games, Marathon, Concord, etc.

GTA6 had multiple delays plus the main creative left. Yet all is well?? Lmao.

We shall see at release date. I suspect an even worse Cyberpunk fiasco.
Anonymous No.720530065 [Report] >>720530306
>>720518357 (OP)
Doesn’t matter as long as they have 10s of millions of terminally autistic Nintendo Adults who buy anything they shit out
Anonymous No.720530160 [Report]
>>720518552
>mfw
Anonymous No.720530265 [Report]
>>720519790
the switch never had a GTA game(except the trilogy) and it outsold every console i nhistory
Anonymous No.720530306 [Report]
>>720530065
like with the WiiU and gamecube, right?
Anonymous No.720530525 [Report]
>>720530034
If GTA6 is bad, that might be what actually sends the USA over the dge. lmfao. I can just imagine
Anonymous No.720530620 [Report] >>720532981
>>720530034
Even if GTAVI is a franchise killing bomb, there is no way it's not going to make bank. GTAV sold over 200M copies, literally the bestselling game after Minecraft
Anonymous No.720530871 [Report]
>>720523383
>>Just forget that every other company out there is worse
The difference is I don't care about what other jewish companies are doing. Nintendo has always done shady shit but there was a point where they clearly actually cared about the consumer.
Remember Nintendo Selects?
They got to the end of a generation and started selling their big titles at a decent discount.
Now we get 0 discounts on anything and fuck, games like Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 cost more than they did on Wii U because Nintendo increased the internal resolution and re-did the HUD.
Anonymous No.720531242 [Report]
>>720530034
Snoys and Xbots need this game but they're ignoring the fact that Xbox is dead, and I mean actually dead going by leaks while PlayStation is dying.
Anonymous No.720532618 [Report]
>>720518940
>They're in the same decline sony was in 2015. Realizing they only have headroom for a handful of franchises as development staffing has ballooned and costs rise astronomically.
Actually I think they don't have enough people. The company is publicly traded (I own shares) but they are ultra secretive because of patent infringement or licensing and stealing of video game secrets. Like Yamauchi was really hard on patent ownership when Japan entered the video and electronics age in the 70s and 80s. I think their games become fewer and fewer because they really don't have that much staff. If you've noticed they seem to outsource more titles or they have a nice little roster of 2nd and 3rd party devs that have become the custodians to certain IPs.

Also PlayStation was different. I'm sure a lot of the money PlayStation made was funneled back to Sony Corp, and they split that money into TVs, laptops, phones, etc. If PlayStation didn't have a parent company I think the current landscape would have been very different and interesting. Nintendo is extremely wealthy in cash. Like they hold billions in Japanese currency, probably a shit ton in foreign currency too from their satellite offices, stashed in banks. When the Wii U failed there were people online mentioning that Nintendo (of Japan) had so much ready cash that they could have 3 or 4, or 4 or 5 Wii U or Virtual Boy style flops in a row before they would be in trouble financially. Maybe two decades of absolute duds before they need a new plan. I think another thing that Sony suffered from was relying so much on third party devs. And it's because budgets skyrocketed for third parties. They all chased the meme graphics and effects and partially to blame was Microsoft and Sony pushing "next gen" consoles. So time is longer, meaning licensing fees take longer to appear which becomes PlayStation's big source of revenue.
Anonymous No.720532739 [Report] >>720533109
>>720527770
The WiiU was their final console.
Anonymous No.720532981 [Report]
>>720530620
>sold
PFFFT
Anonymous No.720533109 [Report]
>>720532739
>The WiiU was their final "home" console
Fixed
Anonymous No.720533350 [Report] >>720533658
>>720518357 (OP)
It feels like the Switch 2 is the worst piece of shit I could had ever own as a console, it's a device that is perpetually asking for more money with no payoff.
I don't think I'll ever get my money's worth.
Anonymous No.720533473 [Report]
>>720520551
>PS4 you need like a "Building Architect" to make buildings that look like real models built to scale
Lol, games like Painkiller developed by hungry eastern yurops had way more detail put into the architecture of the building than any Pissstation 5 game.
All two of them.
Anonymous No.720533602 [Report]
Stop judging a console so early. Even the PS3 had plenty of games at the end. It's okay to laugh at the PS4 though and soon at the PS5
Anonymous No.720533658 [Report] >>720534007
>>720533350
Even worse the Switch 2 honestly has no games worth a damn as exclusives so far. And don't get me started on the whole upgrading Switch 1 games to Switch 2 money scam.

Inevitably we are getting a new Mario and Smash and Zelda but I don't think that's enough to make the Switch 2 gloriously impressive. Switch 2 feels like more of the same and despite its graphical power its not as impressive as what third parties already achieve on the PS4. Hope this damn thing fails by Nintendo standards.

Nintendo truly has become Disney and that's no compliment.
Anonymous No.720533916 [Report]
>>720523383
>But X is worse
Nice defense retard.
Nobody talks about the Ps5 or the Xbox because they are a joke.
I have a hard time processing that we are already talking about a possible PS6 next year when it feels the launch of the PS5 was yesterday because absolutely nothing of worth came from it, Astrobot is just Super Mario Galaxy with Funkos.
The PS5 was even less noteworthy than the PS4.

Xbox is dead and buried and soon Microsoft as a whole will follow, imagine losing to Pro-Bono OS developed through tips and volunteer work. The power of ten thousand pajeets, lol lmao. I will get the hardest erection of my life when MS stops being a publicly traded company.

Nintendo on the other hand, it sucks, this is not the direction I wanted for them. A $600 console with a mandatory subscription, a shitty licensing system and almost $100 games not including DLC? It is as if they were admitting they cannot compete with mobile so they won't even try and it is stupid really. Indie games on PC are $20 but they are suddenly $40 to $80 depending if you want a "physical" version? Dumb.
Anonymous No.720534007 [Report] >>720534318
>>720533658
>Nintendo truly has become Disney and that's no compliment.
Exactly.
It is the Disney playbook which is something WB followed damning themselves.
Nintendo should be aiming for families, not the childless "Disney / Tendie" Adults.
Anonymous No.720534012 [Report]
>>720519923
>>720520551
Donkey Kong Bananza has 500 people, which is tiny compared to the 5 thousand fuckers on an Ubisoft game. But TP has about 250. That's still a significant increase.

>>720521887
I thought that they haven't even released dev kits for switch 2 yet for a lot of third parties.
Anonymous No.720534298 [Report]
Doomed since 1889
Anonymous No.720534318 [Report]
>>720534007
Sadly we are living through the era of the Adult-Child. Too many current adults have Extended Childhoods and it shows in the selling power of movies, games, etc. Even the biggest fanatics of new media like Bluey a children's show are the freaky adults.
Anonymous No.720534362 [Report]
>>720518357 (OP)
Man I'm so fucking happy I foresaw the first year of Switch 2 when it launched with 1 good, albeit open world slop, game. To credit Nintendo where credit's due, they managed to fuck it up even more than I anticipated. Like, wow...
Anonymous No.720534416 [Report]
>>720518552
>toddler game gets toddler merch
no way
Anonymous No.720534484 [Report] >>720534986 >>720535068
>>720518357 (OP)
They're shifting the brand to become Japanese Disney, a multimedia megacorp. It will work, they will make hundreds of billions of dollars no matter how shit their products are or how morally reprehensible their actions.
Anonymous No.720534701 [Report]
>>720519004
>>720518552
how brown and poor are you to have reached the age of 20+ without noticing nintendo toys and clothes existed? Nintendo has always actively done merchandising since the NES era and never slowed it down.
Anonymous No.720534732 [Report]
>>720519471
The people who bought the Switch 2 in the first 4 days are tendies who were going to buy it anyways and are going to buy the Virtual Boy made of cardboard.
Since then (Early June, 3 (three) months ago) sales went from 3.5 million in 4 days to 6.5 million in 3 months.
And this direct was so shit it probably scared off tons of people from buying a Switch 2.
Anonymous No.720534919 [Report] >>720535319
>>720523383
Your honor, my client killed a family of 5, sure, BUT this other guy killed a family of 6!
Anonymous No.720534986 [Report] >>720535074
>>720534484
Remember when Furukawa said this back in 2019?
Remember when he also said Nintendo doesn't censor third-party games in the same year?
I remember.
Anonymous No.720535013 [Report]
Nintendo has been in a slow decline since Iwata's death

Now they are going full jew after getting cocky over the Switch's success

It's over for Nintendo
Anonymous No.720535068 [Report] >>720535859
>>720534484
Yup
Anonymous No.720535074 [Report]
>>720534986
He’s still right. Disney is trying to be like Nintendo.
Anonymous No.720535319 [Report]
>>720534919
>no thread is made about the guy who killed 6 because no one cares about that nobody
lol
Anonymous No.720535859 [Report] >>720535949 >>720536115
>>720535068
And the worst part is that it’s actually working. You’ve got grown-ass men lining up day one for Mario Kart remasters and Zelda keychains, and they’ll defend $70 ports of decade-old games like it’s a war crime to mention emulation. Nintendo figured out they don’t need to innovate anymore, just drip nostalgia and slap a fresh price tag on it.
Anonymous No.720535949 [Report]
>>720535859
That's the point, the future of gaming is to be owned by Nintendo and Valve, nothing more.
Anonymous No.720536025 [Report]
>>720518357 (OP)
The abosulte state of this board lmao.

This mind rape is never ending.
Anonymous No.720536115 [Report]
>>720535859
>just drip nostalgia

Must make you seethe that Nintendo have such a rich cultural legacy and their competitors have absolutely fucking NOTHING.

When are Sony and Microsoft opening a museum?
Anonymous No.720536175 [Report]
I was so disappointed in Nintendo throughout their casual Wii era and then during their Wii U funeral, that I can't really perceive anything they're doing as much of a disappointment. At least they still make some actually great games on occasion. Everything else can be for the children
Anonymous No.720537505 [Report]
>>720519790

GTA is normieslop for brainlets and always has been
Anonymous No.720537606 [Report]
It's more Switch 1 is still selling so they are keeping Switch 2 lackluster so those sales aren't harmed.

They would have done this with GBA and DS too but those died pretty quick after the new console came out so they didn't have to.