Thread 720527489

*kills the PC market*

>>720527489 (OP)
>PS6 is just around the corner
>not a single noteworthy exclusive game worth mentioning
That's the biggest crime here, I mean games that are releasing next year are still coming out on PS4 along side PS5.

>>720527489 (OP)
They should spend less time on making a new console and more time on making new games

>moore's law is dead
lol

AMD makes Zen CPUs and RDNA GPUs for PCs too, you know.

>>720529131
>*saves the PC market*

>>720529061
>it isn't
>all in on aislop

>>720527489 (OP)
I don't believe anything regarding playstation performance anymore after the retards here were completely spamming the fuck out of this board about how the magic SSD tech in the PS5 was some revolutionary tech that you could never replicate anywhere else, and then a few months later we had PC SSDs that exceeded its speed and someone made a demo proving you could do its magic SSD streaming shit on an ancient sata SSD that's 1/10th the speed and still lacks the decompression shit that the PS5 has.

>>720527489 (OP)
I think the existence of RGayB lights and glass windows will continue to compete with consoles as tacky display pieces that do nothing, which is the only area where they actually compete with one another anymore. The PC market will continue to exist for productivity and games with no competition.
>>720529061
>We are a family run duopoly that gets all of its product from one manufacturer whom we are close friends with. We will continue to engage in smuggling and anti-trust shit without so much as a slap on the wrist, so it doesn't matter that we haven't released a good consumer GPU in close to 10 years.
Yes anon, Moore's law is obviously dead for GPUs.

>>720529395
not black magic but those ssds/hardware is needed for alot of ps5 non-load times mechanical drives killed ps4/cyberjank

>>720527489 (OP)
you say this EVERY generation, and it's never even remotely true.
niggas still doing upscaled 1080p 30fps

>>720527489 (OP)
why are they still using APUs and shared system memory in the year of our lord, 2025?
surely they can afford to get some dedicated vram for their gpus

>>720527489 (OP)
If MLID says it, it's almost certainly wrong.

>>720529061
>>720529259
why dont theylike, double the size of the cpu? woulnt that gives them more space to pack transistors and shit?

>>720529720
Console APUs are basically GPUs with a few x86 cores added. Current gen consoles already use GDDR6.

>>720527489 (OP)
>he thinks MLID is a reputable leaker
lmaoao. block head got so much shit wrong about rdna 1 he is known as the tech forum clown.

>>720529806
because when you increase the size of a CPU or GPU you increase the chance of each one being a dud, thereby reducing your yield and making them stupid expensive.

>>720529720
They still use normal analog sticks, they will not spend any more than they need to and most of the time they will spend less than that.
It's all about shaving pennies to get the largest profit margin from the dumbest normalfags, since the industry knows that those fucks only buy CoD, Fifa and Madden, meaning that they need to make a profit off of the console alone rather than selling at a loss.

>>720529903
will APU surpass GPU someday? possible?

>>720529916
after all these years and they still cant make it 100% success rate? noob human.

>>720527489 (OP)
Why do people fall for the console meme every time

>>720527489 (OP)
You say this every time. Maybe spend more time playing games. Oh wait.

>>720529806
hitting near physical limit of how much they can shrink it, making them larger results in more defects
seems like chiplets are the approach taking now along with ai

Where do these new Radeonfags keep coming from that MLID still gets attention?
MLID has been spewing bullshit for like a decade at this point yet there are still Radeonfags that take his word as gospel

>>720529806
Basically a CPU is made of metric fucktons of individual little dies that help run what the cores put out. If a single one of those fail, the whole damn thing shits the bed royally. The larger span a CPU has, the more likely one small dink or short has a significant failure across the whole device. And then there's the heat; AMD runs more cool and less wattage than Intel at the cost of less productivity efficiency for workbench stuff and rendering, but the bigger your shit and the more dies that have to be run, the wider spread and stronger emissions of heat that result. We literally have all our computer cases and consoles designed as is around articulate fan structures or AIO liquid coolers, a bigger CPU standard would functionally require entirely new setups and larger machines - and the Playstation 5 is already fuckhuge to slap a fan in itself to try to cover its ass for cooling despite being shit at it.

Now imagine a Playstation 6 the size of a mini-fridge just to handle a bigger CPU.

>>720527489 (OP)
>54 x RDNA 5 CUs (2 Disabled)
>8 x Zen 6c Cores (1 Disabled)
Did they at least provide handicap parking for those cores?

>>720530192
can't they just disable defect cores like how they already do for some consoles

>>720529928
It's only a matter of how you configure the chip. Nvidia adds some ARM cores to their million dollar AI server GPUs just so they don't need to give any money to Intel or AMD. Technically those chips could be considered APUs too.

>>720529638
I think the issues is that consoles have always targeted resolutions that are a tier above where they should be based on their hardware. PS1 should've been 144p, PS2 240p, PS3 480p, PS4 720p, and the current gen should've been the first 1080p gen. That would've allowed studios to more easily target 60+ FPS. Instead we've had a hard focus on 30 FPS or unsteady 60 and now shitty image reconstruction blown up to 4k from sub 900p resolution.

>>720530289
bean counters or management has to sell people on a reason to upgrade even when the hardware can't technically do it

>>720530251
And how would they sell it then? Intlel 18400k (3 busted cores version)?

>>720530251
they already do that. every single low end model for a CPU and GPU you see is just the highest end model but with cores turned off that were defective. that way they don't have to just throw them away. that's why there are so many models.

>>720530192
are intel gen 13-14 cpus still fucked? do people use AMD nowadays mostly?

>>720530430
For home CPUs I think AMD recently surpassed Intel in marketshare, but I think overall Intel still BTFOs them.

>>720530430
AMD is cost effective and less power hungry overall, but that's basically bang for your buck on the gaming front, especially with X3D even if they're largely overkill and something like a 9600X can get the gist of the job done for way less cost. Intel's best can compete but at far hotter temps and wattage, so they're not power efficient by comparison - but in exchange, for computer workstations and things you'd be using for workplaces? Intel is upwards to 2-3x the performance of AMD last I saw, leaving AMD completely and utterly in the dust, albeit at notably higher price costs.
It's not much wonder that all three console manufacturers have gone for AMD simply because it hits every single note they need for a console footprint and design.

>>720530289
The issue is that they've targeted a single hardware spec that is always the equivalent of low-end budget hardware and they are then stuck with that budget hardware for 8 years.
At least on PC you can accept that people will run games on low settings and eventually good hardware will be cheap enough to get the full use out of the game, but console needs to hit an acceptable performance on launch on the lowest settings that still produce marketing viable images.

>>720530289
consoles in the past that aren't just x86 pcs were all designed hardware so the double edged sword that we have now that everything is a pc and horribly optimized
meanwhile apus or even larger gains like apple/mobile is making discrete chips/sections for specialized functions

bring back saturn

>>720530732
amd r7 9700 vs intel gen 13-14 which one is better? I do some CPU rendering with corona

>>720531081
More cores = more better
So it depends on which 13th or 14th gen CPU you're comparing the R7 9700 to

>>720527489 (OP)
Fuck you

>>720531081
ryzen obviously, you don't want to gamble with faulty intel cpu, they never recalled those it still floating around the market

>>720527489 (OP)
Shut the fuck up with your lies
This thing will struggle with the easiest games

>>720530732
Oh wait, I'm retarded, Nintendo went all in on NVIDIA for the Switch 2, both for a custom proprietary processor and their GPU. Weird how that works.
>>720531081
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-14700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-9700X/4152vs4169
Look around the recent releases of CPUs for general benchmark comparisons, but Intel will probably win the productivity scale for you unless you're explicitly going for an AMD Threadripper - which sucks for gaming in turn since games don't make use of all those cores it tries to optimize around. You're paying for wattage and temps vs. overall statistical efficiency per dollar. If you've got the money for a production computer and a gaming computer both, Intel for the former and AMD for the latter every time unless you're really not too bumed about how long it takes things, or some Intel faults in recent years you want to be careful around.

>>720527489 (OP)
You've been saying thi evers since the PS5 announcement 6 years ago anon.
Where is the death i was promised?

>>720529806
because it would be 4x as expensive

>>720529638
The PS5 runs at 120fps in multiplayer games.

>>720530000
Why do people fall for the thousands of dollars being Jewed away every year for GPUs?

>>720528807
It hasnt even really needed a single one to be their most successful console gen to date and will likely outsell PS4 with GTA 6 releasing soon.

>>720529061
Is that the one where we bring up Hitler for no reason? I think he would have made Sony products illegal after how shit they became in the 8th generation (arguably 7th).

>>720527489 (OP)
>hyping up the PS6 when the PS5 still has no games
l0l

>>720531416
>unironically linking user-FUCKING-benchmark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyLxjG41tJQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHH11AplyLc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQSBj2LKkWg

>>720532967
I don't put my head into the media circles for a lot of this shit so hey, if you got better suggestions I'm willing to keep 'em.

>>720527489 (OP)
If they're gonna push ray tracing on us, then they better have a dedicated chip that handles it in the motherboard itself so it doesnt tank the performance in every fucking game.

>>720533023

You haven't even skimmed through the videos I've linked and you're asking me why I'm calling you out on posting a clown so deranged, even Intel (supposedly) wants nothing to do with them? Literally anyone else is more credible

>>720531416
>userbenchmark
retard

>>720533130
jewvidia cores that they couldn't use for ai

>>720527489 (OP)
holy shit zen6 and udna in ps6? that will be bleeding edge if it launches in 2026-2027

>>720527489 (OP)
gpu manufacturers did that

>>720527489 (OP)
You say this every time a new Playstation comes out. The PS4 killed the PC market, the PS5 killed the PC market, now supposedly the PS6 will kill the PC market.

>>720534445
ps5 killed 8gb gpus which is most of the pc market

>>720527489 (OP)
>160bit bus
>less than an rtx5070
lol lmao even

>>720527489 (OP)
can't wait for this to come out as a PC APU. shit like Strix Halo already has 5070 performance, but you can pair it with up to 128GB RAM and set nearly all of it on GPU size.

imagine a gpu with 96GB VRAM.

>>720534445
where is pc2?

>>720531494
The same was said when ps4 was being anounced, and ps3, ps2...

>>720530430
>do people use AMD nowadays mostly
Currently the best CPUs for gaming are AMD. Because for some reason intel never realized that putting the cores on top of the cache is better than putting it under it.

>>720527489 (OP)
>this will surely make games appear on our console!
lmaokeklolrofl

>>720527489 (OP)
I mean you can make a console as powerful as you want but it needs to have a single game at least. It's also going to cost 1k

>>720530430
yeah they are fucked as long as you want to run them at the launch voltages/clockspeed spec. recent microcode and bios updates have reined in their clock/voltage behavior where the 13900k and 14900k used to run 5.5ghz and 5.7ghz infinitely are now gimped to 5ghz all core clocks at stock or up to 5.2-5.3ghz clocks when running the extreme power preset

>>720527489 (OP)
>7 cores
I guarantee you a 7950X can run circles around that

>>720536330
7 supercharged cores unlike yours

>>720527489 (OP)
>54 CU RDNA5
wow so it can finally beat a 3080 that not even ps5 pro APOOO could do
>zen 6c cores
wow so they're finally using cpu arch that makes sense for a console
>zen 6 LP cores
zen 6c is already low power, cut down mini variant of zen 6 so this is another low power of lower power core? the fuck
either way >3nm >160w tdp
yeah this is not gonna be 160w, make it 200w atleast or else it's just power starved to death
fuck MLID and his retardation

>>720536537
Guarantee shit's going to be on par or worse than a 9700x on launch.

>>720536330
I ran circles around your Mom it took several days and I passed out due to exhaustion not because she's so large that it took a long time I just like running a lot