Thread 720545593

Elden Ring fixed this gameplay flaw. Why are we still doing it?

>People brag about being dog shit at video games
>The possibility of failure is bad game design because the current crop of gamers are hopelessly addicted to quick and endless dopamine
Genuinely nut the fuck up lol

I did that boss without finding the secret bench, I was doing the runback from the bellway.
Yep

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS GAME IS TOO LE HARD
>ELDEN RING WAS EASIER SO THIS IS LE BAD!

I don't care what the cunts at twitter are saying.jpg

Back in my day you had to run up a skinny little platform and there was these two jannies shooting giant arrows at you the entire time that would knock you to your death now that was gaming

>>720545593 (OP)
that actually makes the game sound appealing
my issue is the art looks really gay and the fanbase is brain dead so there must be something rotten in the game

>>720545708
>i have all the time in the world to play games because im a tranny that wont go outside cause of his wretched visage and lack of family or friends, every game should cater to me
No.

is it worse than the Mantis Lords runback

>>720546003
This. I still won't touch HK, it just makes me miss Demon's and Dark Souls.

Look at everyone defending bad game design just because it can be perceived as "difficult".

>>720545708
Listen.
I have a wife, a dog and her two sons to take care of, I don't have time to play 'LE HARD' games for some anonymous credit from /v/irgin gamers online.
They need to patch the game more and make it easier.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............ FROMSISSIES???? I thought Elden Ring was le hardest chungus game ever made for only hardcore gaymers like moi. The shitty reddit bug game can't be harder. What's going on????

>>720546156
The eldenlords with deal with this...

>>720546003
this

>>720545593 (OP)
That's considered a long run back? Looks like 15-20sec max.

>>720546003
>and the fanbase is brain dead
Humans in general are brain dead and this is used as an argument for every popular game ever. Just enjoy what you want and stop being autistic about other people

>>720546143
I do too. My time for games is limited, which is why I want them to be challenging and mentally stimulating. Do you teach your faggot sons that it's okay to give up if something is hard too? Some father

>>720546059
No memes it is actually the worst runback in any metrodvania/souls game except maybe ds2

>>720545593 (OP)
>The boss spawns ADs
For what product?

>>720546003
How is it gay?

>>720545593 (OP)
Here's a great solution for you : don't die. As for a "gank wave" you've been fighting those enemies all the time up to that point, exactly why doesn't he have it down to a science yet?
Oh right because he sucks.
Git gud.

>>720545593 (OP)
>fromsoftware
>fix
kek

>>720546267
Elden Ring, hence OP.

>>720545593 (OP)
This bench is extremely well-hidden and you most likely only find it using a guide, by the way. Gaming is KEKED.

Played a few hours of this but keep coming back to black ops 6 multiplayer because it's actually fun

>>720545593 (OP)
harder bosses + checkpoints next to them is the best formula. basically every masocore game is moving to that formula because you can make really sadistic bosses if people don't have to runback to fight them.

>>720546378
there's no reason for benches to ever be hidden

>>720545593 (OP)
yeah this boss is fucking miserable, easily the worst part of the game i've seen so far

>>720545593 (OP)
you are a retarded subhuman

>>720546143
>and her two sons
Now is the time for me to throw my head back in laughter and crow about I didn't fall for this bait.

>xitter account advertisement
when you put the shotgun in your mouth, make sure to aim for the crown of your skull

>>720546241
Then switch difficulty to the max and fuck off? They could even give out special achievements so that you can brag about them in front of the two people that also care about them.

I get it now, Hollow Knight is Dark Souls 1 and Silksong is Dark Souls 2. Very meta.

>>720545991
>you had to run up a skinny little platform and there was these two jannies shooting giant arrows at you the entire time that would knock you to your death
sure, but you had to go through that once

>>720546474
Case in point
I'd rather respawn right next to the infuriating boss, allowing me to get better and better and try it hundreds of times if need be, than having to slog through the whole fucking level again and again hoping that i won't lose health or time on the way to the boss

>>720545593 (OP)
kill yourself nigger twittard

>>720545593 (OP)
if you used that bench you didn't experience the real runback and didn't beat the fight

>>720546290
It is gay to be a man.

>>720545593 (OP)
Each checkpoint in ds1 had a purpose of adding more healing so they aren't as abundant in placement, but what does this game's checkpoint offer to the player?

>>720547493
Git gud dude I smash my pc buy all the parts and rebuild it before every single attempt. It was so fucking inconvenient and I had a bad time, that makes me the best gamer here.

>>720545593 (OP)
Hey guys I'm stuck here. Where do I go?

>>720545593 (OP)
>steal 4chan posts for his shitty Twitter
>posts his Twitter here

The absolute state of failed streamers.

>>720547410
a lot of the time devs will factor that runback into the boss difficulty too. the runback is a part of the bosses challenge when the difficulty should be the boss itself. in the case of silksong, there's an item that completely negates the mechanic of the bilewater boss with the terrible runback and there's even a tool that hard counters him.

>>720546054
>>720546143
Play a different game then, nigger.

I would be fine with runbacks if the mobility wasn't so fucking shit.

>>720546143
I can't quite tell if it's your dog or your wife that have two sons.

i regret having waited 7 years for this game
honestly it is just hollow knight but more tedious

>>720545593 (OP)
>random faggot on twitter
>can't spell ADDs

>>720548289
>cant spells AIDS

>>720546054
>>720546143
This is what /v/ has become in 20 years.

>>720545593 (OP)
what up with this fanbase crying constantly, howllow knight has unlimited health, demon souls dark sould and bloodborne are great because you need to survive in the world much like in hollow knight, UNLIKE in elden ring witch is one of the worst from games.

>>720548426
>witch
ESL spotted

>>720546143
Just use Cheatengine with god mode
There problem solved

>>720546003
you are about right, silk song has bit more interesting enemies and bosses, exploring and surviving in world is neat and difficulty is ok for now if the gay fanbase dont ruin it by crying devs to nerf it

>>720547664
I knew when I was spending over 3 minutes doing the run back that this can't be intended but I carried on

>>720546003
Yeah the artstyle is lame, I just went back to Symphony of the Night instead

Run backs, contact damage and instakill spikes were never and will never be fun. Rest of the game is mostly fine.

>>720546290
not him but world itself looks good, the character black and white minimalism took them hostage, they could have done way more with diverse art style that is more fitting for insects, in hollow knight 1 you got 30 npc and 100 enemies and they all looked the same.

>>720548678
I hate contact damage but the most egregious example is stunned bosses still being hazards

>>720547665
should've posted the .gif moron

>>720545991
The game was also 30 minutes long

>>720545593 (OP)
Elden Ring sucks because it doesn't have boss runbacks. From listened to bitchbabies and dumbed their game down for them.

Hilarious that Silksong has showcased once and for all that /v/ sucks at video games

>>720546054

Every game doesn't cater to him. If this one is too hard for you just give up. No one will judge you but yourself.

>>720545593 (OP)
The maggot water is not the worst part of the runback by far. It's the part where you have to pogo exploding shitsacks amidst randomly spawning and respawning shit mosquitoes

>>720548728
>Stun boss
>It kneels
>Hits you for 2 damage because of that

>>720548797
I think it has more to do with open world design in general, because you don't know where the player came from when they arrive at a boss, so they had multiple ways to return to the boss, stakes of marika and nearby graces

>>720548384
What, a site for people who value their own finite time on Earth instead of being autistic AGP troons who dump thousands of hours into some worthless shit and think they deserve respect because of that?

>>720545991
This shit is consistently done on the first try retard.

>>720548384
If you're old enough to lament something is different after 20 years you should be old enough to know that's just life, dude.

>>720545593 (OP)
Silksong is the Dark Souls 2 of the Hollow Knight games

>>720545991
uzumaki shoulda never patched the bed of chaos

>nooo i should get a save state right before the boss, right before every phase, right before every attack
Kill all zoomers.

You get infinite health/curse heals from the mosquitos in this area, and there's a cave full of silk to do the same thing above the boss.
The boss is also easy as fuck.

I am sneering in disgust at you worms.

>>720546474
I would have no problem with that. I've already beaten the stage to get to the boss. Stop making me rebeat the stage to get to the boss. Ninja Gaiden Ragebound puts checkpoints in front of all their bosses, why can't Silksong? I want to spend my time fighting the boss, not re traversing a difficult stage I've already beaten.

>>720545991
Back in my day the bug platformer was a comfy medium challenge until you went for the post-game dlc
The devs unfortunately listened to the blindfolded sl1 challenge sweats instead of the 99% rest of the fanbase

>>720549292
I lament life.
"O tempora, o mores!"

>>720545991
You did that shit one time and you were done with it. A single well timed roll is all you had to do.

Every runback I heard people complaining about has been an "oh, that's it?" moment when I got there. They're like 30 seconds. Maybe Bilewater would be more of a pain if I hadn't found the anti-maggot charm first I guess.

>random shitter from twitter suffers from skill issue
oh no
anyway

>>720549913
Feels like they designed the game and then just went "oh I guess this is kind of easy with the dumb overpowered heal, we should make it hard" and then flatly added health to everything and made easy bosses with 2 moves just summon shit. You're more likely to take damage bumping into a boss as it slides into position to perform its attack than you actually are to get hit by an attack for most bosses in the game.

>>720545593 (OP)
>the boss spawns ADs
so... Youtube?

>>720550626
the bilewater runback is actually over 3 minutes of platforming if you don't find the hidden bench

Long run backs mean developers realize their boss fights are shit.

>>720545593 (OP)
Its artificial padding, busy work.
And let us not forget this, Team Cherry's idea of a "puzzle"
These developers are just incompetent. They can steal mechanics from existing games and polish them, but have no clue why certain mechanics exist.
Makes sense, they are jewish.

>>720545708
It's called respecting your time. I don't want to re-beat a stage that I've already beaten. I just want to fight the boss.

yes or no, is there an area here?

>>720551658
Anon, do you have some short term memory issues? Those were short and easy.

>>720551658
I like how they put zero effort into integrating the numbers with the environment, they're just hovering in space in some default font. Low effort trash.

>>720551834
Whether its easy or hard isn't the point.
its a shitty puzzle, it gives no sense of excitement at all.
What is the point of adding something that is not interesting?
Team Cherry doesn't get it, they just add shit they see from other games without considering why a puzzle is fun for players in the first place.
"huh, well we have bells everywhere you pogo off of... lets do a simon says!" brilliant!

>>720545593 (OP)
Elden Ring is not a platformer

>>720545991
>back in my day the game focused on providing an memorable experience instead of dry difficulty to entice engagement from the player
ikr, wish we could go back

This is the last flea I'm missing, anybody know how I can get to it?

>>720551807
ye

>>720546143
You have an entire lifetime ahead of you. If you can spare a little while to play every other day, you'll finish the game eventually. You are not in a rush to beat it, so if higher difficulty makes it take longer to finish or not makes no difference.

>>720546003
I like the art style and the writing is actually pretty good. But they need to do a main theme of Yuri shit when the game didn't need romance

>>720545593 (OP)
>greentexting on Twitter

>>720545593 (OP)
>elden ring caved to casuals so every game should do the same
Kill yourself, pajeet solid.

>>720553495
meme arrows have been a thing on xitter, reddit and everywhere else since at least 2010

I bet Silksongfags would defend Smelter Demon runback and gank fights in DS2.

>>720545593 (OP)
Whats funny is that bench is hidden. Some players didnt find it, and had an even longer runback.

>>720552068
so why are you playing the game? no one is forcing you

>>720553334
Hidden wall in bell beast room, was my second to last flea as well

>>720553675
Significantly fucking longer as well, you basically trek the entire zone, and it's the largest zone in the game

Elden Ring has stakes of Marika because it went all in one complex bosses which involves some degree of trial and error. People act like this is something From changed their mind about but its really just that Elden Ring is different than Dark Souls. If they remade DS1 today they wouldn't be putting a stake of Gwyn outside of Nito's lair because Dark Souls' boss and level design is fundamentally different from Elden Ring's.
Silksong has simple bosses with only a small handful of attacks and its more about consistency and are made to be sight-readable. Also silksong is a platformer with mechanics to make level traversal challenging, interesting, and fun. God forbid you have to platform in the platformer.

>>720545593 (OP)
there's a charm that makes you inmune to poisoned water, making this go from an infuriating gaunlet to an average boss/runback situation of little difficulty.

>>720550446
underrated

>>720545593 (OP)
Either get good of fuck off.

>>720554016
>dude just wear a charm that is useless against the boss you are currently stuck on

I thought it was made easier already?
Will they keep whining until there's no challenge left?

I've died more times to Groat just floating into me than any outright attacks he makes.

>>720546474
The boss should be the final test for the area, not the focus of the area

>>720551801
If the boss isn’t dead you haven’t beaten the stage yet

>>720545593 (OP)
Boss runbacks are part of the boss, retard. Go back to Shitden Redditring if you want casualized slop for normalfaggots.

This is the only runback in the game where I can kinda see where people are coming from.

>>720545593 (OP)
>Elden Ring fixed this gameplay flaw. Why are we still doing it?
I love this ambiguous wording as if the game industry is monolithic and contiguous and not disconnected and fragmented like it actually is. Silksong took seven years to develop. Maybe Team Cherry didn't play Elden Ring? Or maybe they didn't care about whatever game design Fromsoft put into their games and instead just did their own thing?

One developer doing a thing doesn't mean every other developer now knows how to do the same thing, or will follow the same design philosophy.

>>720548289
Why are you capitalising it? It's not an acronym.

>>720545593 (OP)
then go play reddit ring. silksong blows it out of the fucking water btw and it's not close.

What I don't get is why they don't just give you a homeward bone?
Quitting to the main menu and loading up the game ports you back to your last bench, why have the player go through this tedious workaround if you could give him an item with the same functionality.

>gank
Am I the only one who thinks these games aren't that difficult?

you are alll so retarted
you gain health charges through hitting enemies
hit a few goons god damn

>>720545708
Elden ring outsold the entire dark souls series for a reason.

>>720545593 (OP)
Personally the way I view it, is that if u have a respawn point outside of every single boss fight it makes the game feel more "game-y" and "arcade-y", rather than like a real world to be immersed in, that's why player friction is important imo. Immersion is a big part of why Hollowknight and Silksong are good imo.

its less immersive for elden ring to spawn me outside of the boss than it is for me to do the runback to O&S in DS1, overall elden ring might be a higher quality game or more immersive in other aspects, but in that specific aspect, it's not.

Ahhh I get it, the tards who were stuck on moorwing finally beat it after the nerf and reached their next boss to beg for more nerf

>>720546143
>I have a wife, a dog and her two sons to take care of
so are the kids werewolves or what

>>720554250
the boss we are talking about is in a room filled with poison water that the charm completly invalidates makining it way easier to beat. Please actually play the game before posting on /v/.

>>720555256
I think it’s important because it ties mastery of a level to mastery of a boss. Otherwise you get a situation like Elden Ring, where you’re sprinting through a zone because you know you’ll get a stake and the boss encounter and zone feel like two disconnected video game challenges. It also narratively connects the area to the boss meaning it feels more like you’ve claimed the zone from your enemy when you kill them.

>>720545593 (OP)
I'm stuck here. Playing with the sting seems to get some reactions from some doors but I don't know how to proceed.

>>720549913
>>720546054
>>720546107
>>720548678
>>720551631
>>720553646

you lost, git gud or get lost

>>720551658
If you struggle with this you are fucking braindead

>>720552634
It has a jump button.
Checkmate, atheists.

>>720545593 (OP)
I didn't even find that bench. I was walking back from the bell beast station. Still beat it.

>>720555781
same, it took me like 5 tries but it was very doable if you aren't retarded

>>720555509
I personally never got into the maggots even once while fighting him.
If you die there you can reclaim your silk and instantly heal off the maggots you got on you from getting there.
It's a wasted charm slot unless you fight him for the first time.

>>720545708
What's the significance of having to do the same banal 10 minute walkback just to attempt a boss again?
Please, logically explain how this makes for a good experience

>>720555897
see
>>720555256
>>720555580

>>720551934
Those were added in post, retard.

>>720545593 (OP)
bilewater was handcrafted to be as infuriating and annoying as possible.

>>720555584
I suggest finding a way to the bottom right

>>720545708
>Every game needs to be a sweatfest for neets like me
No

>>720556181
see
>>720555590

>>720556181
Just play roblox, you don't need to beg the dev to nerf anything

>>720545593 (OP)
>not putting a save point directly next to the boss
Horrible metroidvania design in general.

>>720556181
>Every game should have you doing the same fucking thing over and over and over and over again to satisfy my autism!
No

>>720553646
DS2 is mainly bad because the movement feels worse in every way compared to 1. Silksong is the opposite, everything feels smoother and much better than HK.
Also, while I haven't gotten to Bilewater the runbacks so far aren't even worse than the first game's? Nowhere near DS2's bullshit "kill everything in this hallway over and over or they'll hit you as you enter the boss room".

>>720556324
>>720556269
I haven't bought this game. Specifically because I don't care to learn a pointless skill.

I was talking to a guy irl about Elden Ring at work and how easy I've found it using a big club and he legit said I was cheating and ruining the game for myself and got offended when I said I was having fun.
Very weird fanbase.

>>720545593 (OP)
Hollow Knight has always had inconvenient save points, the boss for double jump first comes to mind. Its poor design even by metroidvania standards.

>>720548729
It's not Halloween, asshole. Take down your decorations until October.

>>720547943
No. Make a better game. There is a difference between a game being hard yet you still want to improve vs a game that's """hard""" and absolute bullshit.
>going through several rounds of interviews makes sense as a nuclear engineer
vs
>going through several rounds of interviews to work at mcjob making minimum wage

>>720556625
>crystal dash left
>walk left for 20 seconds
Woooow crazy incovenient runback. At least talk about Soul Master.

>>720556481
yet you waste all your time here arguing with bots
curious

it's easy to forget how terrible people are at games since it's rare a popular one is in any way challenging, I'm glad silksong was designed for people like me who were good at HK though, it'd suck to go back to square 1 difficulty wise

>>720556167
You mean the unexplored map or the current room? I've found a fake wall in that room but it doesn't help.

Just refund the game and stop buying from the dying is fun genre. The fanbase is mentally ill autistic busybodies. No point in arguing with them.

>>720556728
>There is a difference between a game being hard yet you still want to improve vs a game that's """hard""" and absolute bullshit.
yes, and its purely subjective. Different people have different tolerances for what they perceive as challenging

>>720555101
Because this isn't your shitty Reddit rollslop garbage. This is actually a game.
I wish everyone at Fromsoft would get murdered, those fucking clowns completely ruined gaming. Now everybody thinks every game forever should be a Fart Snores clone.

What I don't get is people crying to make the game cater to their needs. You don't have the time to learn the optimal path or to get better at platforming/fighting? That's fine, just play something else.

>>720545593 (OP)
Anyone got that screenshot of this fag or his friend resorting to facebook slop during the time 4chan was kiiled and he couldn't spam here?

>>720545593 (OP)
this literally wouldn't be a problem if the combat was fun. but it isn't. so running back and fighting through the enemies again is just tedium. meanwhile when you play a game with good combat, like the average beat em up from 30 years ago, starting over isn't a problem at all because it's the gameplay itself that keeps you playing, not le progression. in dragon's dogma too I was actually happy when the enemies respawned because beating the shit out of them is fun.

tl;dr silksong is a bad game

>>720555256
>a fucking video game is "game-y"
The horror! The hue manatee!
You are a fucking fatass piece of shit. Lose weight and then just die anyway.

>>720545593 (OP)
>greentexts outside of chan
>TWITTER THREAD
Yep it's /v/posting time.

>>720551934
This is either bait or the genuinely stupidest post I've ever read on 4chan.

>>720546143
Wholesome. You're not the stepdad, you're the dad who stepped up.

>>720545593 (OP)
It's psychological. A hard to beat boss that you can re-try instantly vs. a runback to an easier boss. I prefer the first (like in Armored Core 6)

>>720545593 (OP)
I dropped Silksong early because it was boring and like a worse version of HK, which I also found to be just okay despite all the jerking off over it that brown children do. The games aren't hard, they're just tedious. Only retards confuse difficulty and skill with tedium and pride themselves on playing games that like to waste your time with padding.

>>720549570
But how far can we take that logic? We already beat the level so just let us fight the boss, but the boss has a gauntlet before it in the same arena. So let us skip the gauntlet after we see the boss since we've already beaten it right? But wait, the boss has 2 phases. Why should we replay phase 1 once we're past it? Let's just start from phase 2 instead of constantly replaying the easier part. How about we perma-despawn every enemy we beat on the level since we already beat it.

The runback, and the level, are part of the challenge. Sectioning it into parts can be good or bad depending on the case, but the game wants you to be able to clear the entire section in one go, not just the boss. Older arcade games required you to beat the entire thing in 3 lives and if you died on the final boss with 1 hit left, tough luck you're back at stage 1. That is an entire package of gameplay and challenge, it isn't always so simple as "section it into parts"

For every person frustrated at the runback I see, there's another one feeling good about how much they've improved their route, movement, optimizations etc because doing it so many times actually gets one to *master* it, which is the feeling we're going for. Nothing feels better in a game than feeling like you've mastered a challenge, rather than clearing it just that one time because you got lucky or too adrenalinic or whatever. True skill is borne out of repetition.

>>720557361
>i-it's not hard it's just "tedious"
>I-I could be good at it if I wanted to but I don't want to
Nice cope DSP.

>>720557372
Feeling good at "improving the route" is quite literally for speedtranners, AKA subhumans. The average person doesn't give a shit about "improving the route", they just want to fight the goddamn boss. Catering to speedtranners is cancerous.

>>720545708
FPBP. I'm so tired of gamer dad shitters ruining my games

>>720546003
>>720546090
gamers in general are mentally ill
>monster hunter wilds releases
>everyone buys it even though it has massive performance problems
>borderlands 4 releases
>everyone buys it even though it has massive performance problems
If everyone is fine paying 70+ $ to play 20FPS slop why not make it the norm?

Artificial difficulty like run-backs made sense when games ran on quarters, now that you purchase the game outright game design is different by necessity. Only /v/ prides themselves on wasting time.

>>720557493
No, it is a basic human condition that applies to everything that requires skill. Have you ever truly practiced something and genuinely improved at it? Piano players have to rehearse for thousands of hours to get good enough to play, to give one example.

I'm not saying videogames are as profound as learning an instrument, but it is the same logic. Silksong here attempts to introduce this concept diegetically, but a more fleshed out form of this logic comes out in arcade games. Back during their golden age, anyone who wanted to be good at games had to endure this sort of 'training' so to speak, not just superplayers.

I don't care about runbacks but how can you defend lazy pay rosaries quests.
It's not like your understanding or mastery of the game deepens much by farming the same few bugs again and again.
The game isn't scaled in a way that you can naturally acquire the rosaries you need without farming, even if you never die you will eventually need to farm because everything is so overcosted compared to what you get by playing the game normally.

>>720548001
The mobility is literally the #1 strength of this game by far, what are you even saying

>>720557439
Games are a waste of time. A game that wastes less time is better than the one that wastes more.

>>720557681
Rosaries are "fine" the donation quests are pointless until going for act 3 by which you are swimming in anal beads.

The real fucking issue are tool shards and anyone not bitching about them and whining about beads are outing themselves as being sub 10 hours in the game.

>>720557661
Anon, most people are result-oriented, not process oriented. Meaning they grade efficacy through the outcome, not the journey..NOBODY enjoys doing the same thing multiple times for arbitrary improvements if the task was already accomplished. Those people are atypical, usually athletes or managers.

is that all there is?

>>720557021
Agreed. Ninja Gaiden Ragebound is a good example. Most of the enemies are 1 hit kill, and it's fun to slaughter masses of them. There's even annoying bullshit enemies like the shurieken ninjas that dodge and hang from platforms, but they're 1 hit kill too so they feel balanced. Also, Ragebound puts checkpoints before their fucking bosses. Why is this such a controversial topic? Put a checkpoint before your fucking bosses game devs, respect my time as a gamer.

>>720545593 (OP)
i didnt mind it at first, especially the lost judge runback, but literally whole act 2 becomes like this afterwards. also they do all kinds of other playtime padding e.g. offering 1 quest at a time that sends you back 5 maps which is annoying to get to, kill 30x enemies, obtain 800 rosaries to advance quest, do something no-hit in under 6 minutes to get 1 out of 5 pieces required for sword upgrade, collect 4 masks for a single health increase which can rarely be found

>>720557854
I already said that I've seen many people all over online sites expressing how they ended up liking the runback after doing it a lot, or just the feeling of getting really good at moving by having to practice it so much. Your claim that nobody enjoys it is straight up false.

And the outcome here is whether or not you beat the SECTION, not just the boss at the end of it. If you always get to the boss but always lose, then you're not good enough.

>>720546143
Cool it with the antisemitism.

>>720556556
strength is honest unless you're using ash of war :^)

>>720545593 (OP)
I actually like how Shadow Labyrinth did it.
>has two kinds of objects you can respawn at
>save points will refill your resources and are the only method of fast travel, but are usually placed well away from any bosses and are rather sparse
>checkpoints will only refill your health, can only be used to fast travel to a save point, and respawning at one will only return you to the amount of resources you had when you last saved there (if you saved there with only 2/3 heals, then you will respawn with 2/3 heals), they're more common and usually near boss rooms
>if you fail a boss fight, you can choose to either respawn at a checkpoint with possibly reduced resources (depending on how bad you are at the game) or respawn at a save point with full resources

>>720547410
A fair middle ground I would allow would be to be able to spawn next to the boss room if you get the boss to half HP.

>>720545991
>doing this pre-patch

>>720558062
The runback and the boss don't have anything to do with each other beyond being in the same area you fucking gay faggot. You can be perfect at the runback and still die to the boss because they're two different things. The runback is a waste of fucking time.

>>720545593 (OP)
>zoomers are too young to understand the notion that the level can be part of the challenge when facing a boss
the notion of needing to play well up to a boss fight to preserve resources for it is a total foreign concept to people now

>>720557026
HK and SS relish on immersion though, even the fucking boss select and boss rush modes were integrated diegetically in HK. TC clearly wants to reduce the "game" feeling to a minimum and it's for the sake of letting you get into the world. This also shows up in things like there being so many dead end and random rooms with nothing to them, because it makes the place seem bigger and like it exists beyond your interaction with it.

Other games that don't care about this take other approaches and they're fine too as long as they're good at what they do.

>>720557650
when games ran on quarters you generally spawned where you died so runbacks weren't a thing

>>720558159
I just hold R2 with great club
Except v Mohg who was annoying me so I used that + troll club and spammed jumping L1 until he died (which killed him before "nihil")
Very overpowered the jumping attacks are, not sure what they were thinking

I didn't need any more proof that this place is filled with shitter tards and pathetic faggots that only want easy mode but I guess if anyone did this is it.
I kept hearing about that boss and wondered what the deal was but I fucking first tried him. Just don't get hit by the adds and the boss himself is a pushover. How bad do you have to be to lose to that thing. And yes that was before the patch, though no idea if it even changed anything about that place.

>>720558679
/v/ is even worse at video games than before, a feat previously not thought possible. they LARP as hardcore gamers but the second they actually play something with even a little bit of challenge they start shitting and pissing. it's why they worship souls so much, it has the veneer of a difficult game when in reality execution wise they're quite simple.

why does /v/ defend artificial difficulty?

>>720557439
Stutter greentext posting doesn't hide your asshurt. I wasn't dying in the game, it was just fucking boring. I went to hunters march early on and movement sucked. I only died because there's no way to pan the camera down and I had to leap of faith into a giant spike pit trap. When you can actually see the red flowers, they're easy to bounce up. Then when I died to leaps of faith, I can long and boring runbacks. The game just isn't fun, and only the most retarded of shit eating brown zoomers try to turn every single complaint about any design choice in a game into a complaint about difficulty. Are you a brown zoomer retard?

>>720558961
I didn't die to spikes in Hunter's March so you were just playing poorly. End of story.

>>720556921
>fan of sequel to game known for copying dark souls rages when suggested that they copy from dark souls more
uh okay fag

>>720558860
I have accomplished nothing else in life

>>720559231
>I'm a retarded shitskin child who likes bad games so I'll pretend it's a skill issue
That's nice, but the platforming in the game isn't hard. It's just a shit game that's really padded out. You being too bad at the game to try going to hunter's march early on doesn't have any bearing on that.

>>720558860
As opposed to what difficulty in the wild?

>>720545593 (OP)
>FROMtards playing a Medium difficulty game for the first time
OH NO NO NO NO AH HA HA HAHA HA

>>720545593 (OP)
>meme twitter account
>greentext on twitter
just one endurance test in the whole game and people lose their minds.

Beat him on my third-ish try.

He doesn't REALLY spawn adds, he just summons them for one move then they fuck off.
Overall, he has very limited moves. I actually found the answer to making him really easy was to embrace the maggots. Out of his moves, only him diving into the water actually goes low enough to hit you if you're in the water, and it's really telegraphed.
I got down to 1 health and decided to just chill in the water below, popping up to smack him between his attacks and swimming to the other side when he dove in.

>>720559614
>instantly seethes and starts screaming ad hominem when called out
Many such cases.
Attain competence.

>>720559464
The difference is Shart Trolls is an objectively bad game while HK and HKS are objectively good

>>720546143
MEN! This is the MAN who STEPPED up! WE MUST BE BETTER!

>>720545708
Fromsoft learned from their mistakes, they have put a safepoint in front of a bossrooms in the last 3-4 games already. Almost every single other souls-like in the past few years have done the same.
Team Cherry didnt get the memo. Or, more likely, they did it on purpose to inflate gametime because they knew their game would be really fucking short otherwise

>>720558961
>no way to pan the camera down
retardbro...

>>720545593 (OP)
Elden Ring didn't fix fucking shit. They made ER too easy.

>>720560316
>and starts screaming ad hominem
It's not ad hominem. You're a brown child (and a redditor) so your opinions are inherently worthless. You're not good at video games because you pretend casual trash is hard. That's like pretending The Witcher 3 is a great RPG.

>>720545991
I love the people saying "you only did this once" who have clearly only played Dark Souls once it got big and they alreadh knew the strats. This shit was infuriating when it actually first came out.

haha yes once again time to spend 90 seconds doing shit i already did just to get to the part i haven't done very fun

>>720557541
it's only a matter of time when your own skills start to deteriorate to the point where you're part of the "gamer dad shitters"
what's with the hubris and delusions of immortality? you're taunting your future self

>>720560807
>It's not ad hominem
>proceeds to spew more ad hominem
Coalesce skill.

I hate these niggers like you wouldn’t believe

>>720556751
I'm autistic. What can I say.

>>720561348
>It's not ad hominem
Correct. You barely know English so I don't know why you're pretending to know Latin. Ad hominem is an unrelated personal attack. Pointing out that you're a brown child is very pertinent to this argument, because it means your opinions are inherently worthless. You're a dancing little monkey who's so fucking stupid, that you've actually convinced yourself any criticism of game mechanics is actually a complaint about the game being too hard. Anyone that stupid has nothing of worth to say about games.

>>720560543
All runbacks combined probably add up to less than an hour of gameplay unless you get stuck on one of the bosses with a runback for multiple hours to begin with, which I don't think should be a thing since the game isn't actually that hard.

>>720561753
>Correct.
I accept your concession.
Realize prowess.

>>720561903
>I accept your concession.
I already pointed out that you were a redditor. There's no need to remind anyone.

>>720545593 (OP)
They gotta add a save point next to the boss room, or if you want to make it earned add a shortcut that needs to be opened

>>720560807
>shitting on witcher 3
faggot
your crpgs and kingmakers arent rpgs, theyre brownslops. also theyr're gameplay sucks ass comparatively to witcher 3.

>>720546143
>>720546054
Do you need to beat the game during the fomo hype window? Just take your time and play it to your pace

>>720561985
>getting mad that someone pretends TW3 isn't casual trash for people who pretend to play games but don't really play games, like Silksong
See how easy it is to call out casuals LARPing as hardcore gamers?

>>720561973
>argument through repetition
Sublimate adroitness.

>>720561979
This is just common sense.
>>720561973
Sore loser.

>>720561985
>unironically praising zoomer console cancer like shitcher 3
Witcher 1 is the only good game in those series. Kill yourself, underage faggot.

>>720545593 (OP)
>I want games to be easy because my psyche can't handle adversity

>>720562132
Kek nobody is LARPing as a "hardcore gamer" you cringeworthy faggot, we're pointing out that you suck dick at Silksong because you're bad at games and that's why you're shitting on it.

>>720545593 (OP)
I swear you zoomers are fucking retarded.
We are going to reach a point where fucking Super Mario will have to have a checkpoint right before the bosses to not repeat the level again.
These are not boss fighting games, and yes, souls games should go back to DS1 style navigation.

>>720545593 (OP)
>he keeps dying
lol if you just beat the boss you wouldn’t have to repeat all that, what’s the problem? Just win bro

>>720545708
Trvth nvke

twatter thread
clean it up, janny

>>720545593 (OP)
The water is completely avoidable. You can hookshot then do a double jump to avoid it.

>>720545593 (OP)
>this is a requirement to play act 3
Why does the fag even know that? If he is using guides, then no wonder he isn't enjoying the game.

>>720546143
>Listen.
>I have a wife, a dog and her two sons to take care of
Did you ever see the banners 4chan have?

>>720549551
Boss only gets easy once you figure out that you can get eaten by it on purpose and deal damage while gaining enough silk to heal right after.

>>720549570
Chinky, you are stinky

>>720558679
99% of the people complaining about and perpetuating this haven’t even downloaded the game anon. It’s pure internet ragebait. There are millions of people out there that just log onto these websites to complain, to get their daily fix of rage. It turns them on, it gives them a brief feeling of being human. It’s truly an addiction. There will be no discourse over anything anymore without something like this. It is just something the internet has done to the minds of men

As a father of 2, divorced, remarried, that works a full time job and a part time job, I just find this blatant time wasting unacceptable. All of us are older now, have more responsibilities, and most important of all, don't have the time or want for this shit. I have at most 30 minutes to an hour to play games. We're not here to appreciate whatever stupid artistry you think you're doing appealing to 0.1% of your audience that's super hardcore. We want to pick up the game, beat it, and then move on in a reasonable amount of time and fairly.
Dads are your audience, and you just destroyed any future sales with the vast majority of your fans

>>720546474
It's your mistake to think the game is all about the bosses.
It could have just been a very literal boss rush. But it's not. Because it's not just about the bosses. So the checkpoints aren't all right next to the bosses.

>>720546290
I guess cus he's a real man who can't into cartoony graphics

>>720562218
enjoy your 4chan karma good sar. absolute shit taste btw.

>>720562132
deathmarch pack of 6 nekkers in witcher 3 is still more hardcore than any fucking game you have ever played. also the combat is pretty deep because you have magics, different attacks, combos, moves, dodges, oil management, health recovery system on 4 buttons. >>>le normie game ABSOLUTELY NOT. keep clicking on those intense difficulty dialogues in your kingmaker ((((RPGS))) you absolute buffoon. god you're so brown and need to get bleached and get his video game taste refined like that other faggot who dared reply to me

>>720556007
Why? What's the obsession with have shitty annoying areas and making them as awful as possible?
Do these games really need an extreme low point to be memorable or something?

>>720562180
You can have another reply if you put the thesaurus down and post your hand to prove you aren't just a brown child screaming about bad games that you think makes you a hardcore "skilled" gamer. If you don't, I'll take that to mean you admit that I'm right about you being a casual, brown monkey.

>>720562643
>dumb piece of shit that fell for the family meme thinks he should be catered no
Nope. Not my fault you're a dumb sheep. Hope your kids get cancer.

>>720547493
The bench isn't even hidden.

>>720562424
>an entire act is locked behind obscure shit
Yeah he’s justified in using a guide

>>720562239
Why do retarded third world children think that the only way you can possibly call a game shit is if you think it's too hard? Try to give me a real answer instead of shitposting. And by "real answer" I mean real answer and not putting words in my mouth or making assumptions based on nothing. Go on, I'll wait.

>>720562778
>more ad hominem seething
Manifest capability.

>>720562756
>karma
>normie
Redditors aren't people.

>>720562858
your criticism is literally
>wahhh things do too much damage
>wahhh runback too long because I keep dying to the boss
>wahhh platforming too hard

>>720562951
>wahhh things do too much damage
Show me where I said that. If you can't, then you're just another retarded subhuman monkey like the other guy who gets mad that people call his favorite game shit and feel the need to make things up to pretend you have a point. Don't dodge the question, don't backpedal, don't damage control. Just show me where I said that.

Games should honestly learn from emulators and just add the fast forward and rewind buttons.
The technology has existed for a long time; devs are just lazy and put buttons in the game itself rather than adding one more keybind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSXofLK5hFQ
It's not like controllers are starved for buttons in this type of game either, so I know it isn't that.

>>720562808
It's hidden pretty darn well

>>720563070
>screaming like a bitch after he got called out
>>720558320

>>720545593 (OP)
My balls recoil into my body like a lizard out of pure cringe when i see someone greentexting outside 4chan.

>>720545593 (OP)
Just don’t die if this was mega man you would be crying for losing all your fuck lives and starting the stage over fuck pleb hell any old game had more shit to fuck you’re time

>>720563205
That's not my post, champ. You tried.

>>720561083
Don't forget they nerfed the archers after launch, the archer behind you used to be further up on the ledge and would snipe you from behind, not just hidden behind the pillar like he is now.

>>720563339
>n-not me
I accept your concession again.
Invite mastery.

>>720563181
Absolutely not. There is a visible HUGE gap between both the planks and the water, and behind the planks backwards.
Why would you not assume that something was behind there?

I'll only concede that you maybe wouldn't expect a bench. But you'd absolutely expect something to be there. And when you check, you find the bench.
And if you didn't check, you only have yourself to blame.

>>720545893
I didn't even know there was a bench until I opened this thread
I just assumed it was by design that this was the most nigger AIDS level they could cook up

>>720563431
>samefagging after you try to claim 2 different people you were arguing with were the same person
How pathetic, even for a brown "person".

>>720563445
I was too set in my run-past-all-these-dart-asshole ways

>retards when ONE game come out that doesn't cater specifically to them

holy fuck you shittheads are literally insufferable. you don't see people who like hard games crying about how stardew valley needs a long runback with a hard boss fight at the end. why don't you just fuck off and go play games that are made for you?

oh right, its because you're retarded.

>>720545593 (OP)
I hate this faggot like you wouldnt believe

>>720563865
>you don't see people who like hard games
What's that got to do with Silksong?

*fixes your artificial difficulty*

>>720563694
>samefagging
Are you schizophrenic?

I don't mind runbacks. I mind the runbacks, on top of how stingy the game is with the benches, on top of how it'll dangle a bench in front of you when you desperately need one, and then for the third time it's some retarded shit like "Huhuh, it got stuck! Bet you didn't see that coming!"
This fucking ice mountain is agonizing.

>>720564274
Where's the "always take one health of damage instead of half every time you graze the boss" option?

>>720564332
I genuinely qyit the game at that point
It's not wven fun
It's not worth it at that point

>>720564274
at least 50% of "hardcore gamers" utilize this

>>720564301
>reply to a different reply chain after being told no more replies
>make shit up and assume everyone you've been arguing with is the same person
Post hand or no more replies.

>>720563865
this is just the result of decades of video games targeting people who don't like video games.

>>720558679
Build? I bet you used tools you casual faggot

>>720564332
The ice mountain is just pure platforming. It has no RNG boss moves, no retarded adds blocking your path, it's just jumping and using your skills to their utmost. Literally a skill issue.

>>720545593 (OP)
>Gameplay flaw
I have a different name for it

>>720545593 (OP)
It's not a flaw, it's called punishment

>>720545593 (OP)
So have we regressed to pre demon's souls/dark souls level of dialogue about difficulty in games?

>>720555897
the significance is that it brings more tedium to the game so it can pad out your playtime like NES games did back in the day

>>720557854
If you are results oriented, then stop playing video games and spend all your time gambling on daytrading.
You'll never gain anything playing vidya. The entire appeal is in the process.

>>720548678
Contact damage is the only annoying part.

>>720546143
People really gave this obvious bait (You)'s. What a load of newfaggotry.

>>720556921
They deliberately put the functionality in the game, that if you quit out, no matter where, you respawn at your last bench with a full heal.
Might as well just make that an actual tool you get in the game because everyone already does it.

>>720546107
> bad game design
you retards have main character syndrome when it comes to video game tastes
>HOLY HECKARINOS! DONT YOU GET IT! GAMES ARE MEANT TO MAKE ME FEEL GOOD! IF I DIE like a bitch IN A GAME THEN I FEEL BAD, THATS A GAME DESIGN FLAW CHUD!
subhuman morons. kys

>>720545593 (OP)
Every game should unironically have automatic save-states for each frame.

>>720545593 (OP)
>ADs

>>720564274
all thats needed is
>easy deliveries
>boss retry

>>720565604
Most who gamble (or daytrade, same thing) lose. So that's a terrible effort to result prospect. Most games can be brute forced, at least (quarter in slot). And let's not forget that cheat codes used to be in these supposedly hard classic games, like extra lives or op weapons.

>>720564274
>bragging about being a babby who can only play games like a little babby with babbyshit mods on his babbyshit Practicing Cuck machine

>>720564274
>infinite silk
>set move speed 3.0
>set game speed 2.0
>can equip tools anywhere
yup it's gaming time

>>720564717
do you even know what samefagging is you retarded redditshitter

>>720545708
People like you is why gaming is no longer fun.

>>720566238
stupid zoomer

>>720551934
do the tattoos say MS13 too?

>>720545593 (OP)
skill issue

>>720555584
keep exploring. there's literally nothing blocking you.

>>720565848
Fuck you and your rollslop, anon.

>>720545593 (OP)
Stakes of Marika/Whatever they where called in Sekiro where one of the worst things From added. It completely killed their level design and now they really are just boss rush games.

is there anything you can't do in act 3 you can do in act 2?

>>720546143
DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVS
YOU MUST MAKE BETTER DIFFICULTIES....

>>720567754
No, you can still explore the levels. "Level design" doesn't mean "Forcing the player to go through everything every time" and that's a stupid fucking way to think. Speeding up repeat travel is a good thing.

>>720567843
Yes. I hope you bought stuff from merchants.

>>720567843
farm rosary

>>720568142
pretty much everything I wanted to buy, maybe like one craft metal item

>>720545593 (OP)
Wait is there a bench there? That run back is not as bad

>>720545593 (OP)
In a sense, the path is part of the boss, in itself. If the boss has multiple phases, then this path is the "first" phase.

>I'm a Elden Ring expert! look how i abuse roll i-frames
>HUH WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO WALK TO THE BOSS, I NEED FLASHY FIGHT
kekarooo!

>>720562643
What do your kids think of the fact that their dad is a weak, gay loser that can't handle any kind of adversity? Do they know it's your fault that their mom left, because she was out having fun with guys who actually respect themselves?

>>720545708
FPBP

>>720567754
>explore to your fucking heart's content, as much or as little as you please
>once you're ready to challenge the boss, you can do that as many times as necessary without having to waste time getting back to it, seeing all the shit you've already seen
It's that simple.
You have the IQ of a flea.

>Runback
I literally never saw this word being used before people started whining about silksong

>>720568675
>/dbs/ lingo
Out.

>>720546143
>I don't have time to play 'LE HARD' games
Then don't play them. Problem solved.

>>720569195
Then you don't post here often, it's a very common term used in games that feature a lot of bosses where you can't just start over and retry the boss if you lose and instead have to traverse at least part of the stage to get back to the boss room. Different people may call it different things but if you think Silksong invented the complaint then you're like 10 years old.

>>720551801
Your on 4chan nigga. You & every bitch complaining could care less about your time

>>720569336
But I WANT to! I just don't want them to be what they're meant to be because they should cater to ME rather than the fanbase that wants them to be that way, even though I don't actually want to play those games! ME! It's all about ME! I'm a DAD! I have KIDS! That makes me MORE IMPORTANT! ME ME ME ME!!!

>>720546143
>Every game must carter to MEEEEEEEE
Main character syndrome

>>720569404
>I'm a DAD! I have KIDS! That makes me MORE IMPORTANT!
It does, yes.

>>720568092
>>720569137
You retards are either arguing in bad faith ignoring and dismissing my point or are actually so retarded that you can't see what removing runbacks and adding a checkpoint right before a boss entrance does to ruin the overrall level design and world design of the game.

There's no need to explain it becuase it's clear you enjoy the slop level design if DS3/Sekiro/ER over DS1's objectively superior design. That says everything I need to know.

>>720569683
>Redditspacing
>y-you're wrong and I'm right b-but I don't even need to explain it
I accept your concession.

>>720551934
Nigga

>>720569683
>u retards are either arguing in bad faith ignoring and dismissing my point
No, you stupid fucking redditor.
>removing runbacks and adding a checkpoint right before a boss entrance does to ruin the overrall level design
Nothing. Literally nothing. Having a checkpoint before a boss literally does not change the level design. The presence or absence of a checkpoint does not influence the actual design of the level. No amount of pseudo drivel that drips out of your mouth will change that.

>>720569835
>>720569945
My IQ>your IQ.

>>720569835
>You're wrong and I'm right and I won't explain it to a retard.
Correct
>>720569945
>Having a checkpoint before a boss literally does not change the level design.
Yet every game that added generous checkpoints before a boss is worse than those that didn't. Hmmm, curious.

>>720569835
>>720569945
The checkpoints both encourage lazy level design (empty open world slop like ER) and actively detract from the vision behind the level. It renders the entire experience moot, a hollow time waster that you're meant to simply run through rather than interact with and experience. There is no artistry, no substance, no uniqueness when you compare the level designs of Elden Ring, Sekiro, or DS3 to the level designs in Demon's Souls and Dark Souls. It is quite literally soul vs soulless in its purest and most easily comprehended form, and the fact that you can't says quite clearly that you're unbelievably fucking stupid.

>>720545708
Now you get why Elden Ring sold over 20 million copies

>>720570236
You don't actually have anything to say nor anything to back up your shitty bait. Your concession was already accepted.
>fuckloads of things were changed in games like Elden Ring and Sekiro to make them more accessible to babbies (Spirit Ashes, resurrections, giving you the ability to literally run away from most bosses)
>B-BUT IT'S THE CHECKPOINTS IT HAS TO BE THE CHECKPOINTS AIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE

>>720570278
>muh SOUL
>muh human fartist nonsense
Oh fucking kill yourself you reddit cockroach

>>720570397
>REEEEEEEEE I HATE THESE THINGS THAT MAKE BOSSES EASIER
>Making levels easier and a joke? Sounds good to me! I love HARD games, amirite guiz?
>NOOOOOOOOOOO NOT THAT TYPE DIFFICULTY!!!
Modern Souls enjoyers really are a joke.

>>720570753
It doesn't make the levels easier you retarded fucking cocksucker, do you think putting a stake of Marika in front of the boss door makes the rest of the level and the hazards/enemies standing between you and the boss any easier? You stupid fucking obese unloved fucking waste of life?

>>720570236
>Yet every game that added generous checkpoints before a boss is worse than those that didn't.
Nope.
>Hmmm, curious.
Doubling down on being a faggot redditor doesn't make up for a lack of wit or a point.

>>720570278
>The checkpoints both encourage lazy level design (empty open world slop like ER)
Elden Ring's design has nothing to do with checkpoints.
>and actively detract from the vision behind the level.
Wrong. This is a nebulous nothing statement that you're going to pretend is a real point, but isn't. Adding a checkpoint literally (not metaphorically) does no affect the level design at all. You can't point to a single actual, tangible example in game nor can you point to a single developer comment or interview that backs up what you're claiming. You're just pulling shit out of your ass and insisting that it's a hard rule about game design when in reality you don't know anything about game design.
>It is quite literally soul vs soulless
This board has a terrible problem with underage third world shitposters who don't know anything trying to fit in and sound authoritative.

>>720570828
>do you think putting a stake of Marika in front of the boss door makes the rest of the level and the hazards/enemies standing between you and the boss any easier?
Yes, it literally does. That's what they where designed for. To remove the resource drain. To design streamlined and easier levels. To rush you through the level and focus on boss difficulty. All a consequence of shittier overall level design seen in newer Souls games.

>>720571067
>Yes, it literally does.
You are so motherfucking stupid it's completely pointless to even talk to you. Don't ever waste my time by existing near me again. In fact, just kill yourself. Right now. It's a crime against humanity that you're alive.
Don't respond to this post. End your fucking life.

>>720571168
KWAB

>>720553646
Dark Souls 2 bosses are easy, that's the difference

>>720545593 (OP)
>faggots defend 2 minute runbacks
>meanwhile all the hardest bosses have almost zero runback and half the act 3 bosses even give you your tools back after every attempt
So it's just elitism over people who get stuck on bosses you could breeze through.

>>720557546
But it is the norm.

>>720545708
fpbp

>>720545593 (OP)
Something something this is called being difficult and actually good design. Hurr durr git gud *dilates*.

>>720545593 (OP)
>Elden Ring gave up the pretense of being anything other than a rollslop boss rush, why can't every game be like that?
This Irish lad called it out as early as DS2, yet here we are.

Drones rape Groat, just stand in the maggots. I don't think you have to do this for act 3 either, it's for the weapon upgrade.
The item that prevents maggots only does it one time also so don't even bother getting it.

>>720557021
but the combat is fun. Pogoing on mobs is the best thing invented after darksoul's corpse run

>>720572570
>midwit faggot
>other midwit faggots just parrot the midwit faggot's midwit faggotry because they can't come up with an original thought to save their midwit faggot lives

>>720561083
>>720563372
I found the bonfire by not being a retard and by exploring the area. Did you try that?

This kind of mindset can directly be traced back to Dark Souls and its derivatives transitioning from a punishing exploration game to ADHD this game is so hecking hard le prepare to die XDD rollslop respawn simulators

>>720555584
you get that item by entering from a different room, there's no way to open that door form the side you're on.

>>720558286
Other way around. Spawn next to the boss room but the player gets half hp only with no silk. Run backs is just a time issue isn't it? Then that condition is not an issue at all. Just no hit the boss.

>beat first sinner surprisingly quickly, had a great time
>hey, maybe I got gud
>nope, still eating shit in bilewater

>>720545593 (OP)
fuck this tranny twittard faggot

>>720573270
Well Bilewater is meant to be the ultimate Big Gay

>>720569945
>The presence or absence of a checkpoint does not influence the actual design of the level

>>720573803
>no checkpoint in every platform, including midway during the long jump just in case you miss the landing.
Bad game design.

>>720573803
>if you make the first jump the game doesn't just play a cutscene of your character perfectly traversing the rest of the platforms
Shit game design.

>>720551834
>>720555662
You two are retarded. His post wasn't difficult to interpret.

>>720573803
>say something retarded
>try to connect it to some other retarded and completely unrelated ignorant image some thirdie drew in paint to complain about a game
Crying about Celeste has nothing to do with checkpoints in From games.

>>720569031
Liberal projection

>>720575060
You're simply stupid.

>>720575709
>NO THIS GAME IS TOO HARD, IT SHOULD CATER TO MY LOWER SKILL LEVEL AND LACK OF TIME
>lol you're a shitter who gives up easily
>P-PROJECTION
Retard.

>>720546143
Your female dog has 2 sons?

>>720546143
You'd rather ruin a game for other people than play a game that caters to you?

>>720576501
If he's a dad, he is more important than some loner losers, so yeah

>>720545708
What's even the point of boss runbacks besides wasting the player's time? Don't tell me you actually enjoyed that shit

>>720546054
I just make time if I like a video game. If I don't like it, I don't play it. Therefore, I don't mind "my time being wasted" by a game I'm wasting time with.

It's called growing up.

>>720573803
>somebody got so filtered by Path of Pain they made an epic own out of it
I love zoomers.

>>720557021
Truth nuke.
Sekiro was an absolute blast to play, because the combat was so fun. I could replay boss gauntlet (the post game one game with the stronger versions, I forgot how it was called) over and over because combat was exceptional. Silksong is just a thinly veiled bullet hell where you dodge gajilion AOEs and slowly cheap away at bosses. You barely even have moveset or tools, because fights are made like it's a bullet hell i.e. priority is on dodging shit, not on combat itself. The other guy >>720572654 just proves you right, pogoing is the height of Silksong combat and it's grim. If I wanted to play bullet hell, I would pick up a fucking bullet hell.

>>720575118
I think it's an apt comparison.
The difference between (ball busting difficulty + minimal runback) and (easier difficulty + huge runback) is quite evident.

So is /v/ going to love DS2 now since all of the things that are hated about that game are done in Silksong?

This thread is full of retards that are conflating tedium and difficulty. If the path to the boss was running 30 minutes in a straight line instead of being instant, that wouldn't make it any harder.
Many of the runbacks in Silksong are needlessly tedious and pointless. If you get hit, you can just go back to the bench or farm an easy enemy by hitting and resetting it.

>>720546143
>a dog and her two sons
Post puppies immediately you coward.

>>720545593 (OP)
It's intentionally done to make the player practice movement and abilities to be ready for later challenges. It's for your own good

>>720578962
>apt comparison
>level design between an action adventure RPG and a precision platformer
No, it's a blitheringly retarded attempt at a comparison made by someone who made a worthless image and wants to pretend it's some profound insight into game design.

>>720579452
Yeah but I stopped playing the game because it sucks shit and wastes my time instead of being something fun so who really won here

>>720580473
The conversation is about checkpoint placement, I don't think genre is a meaningful distinction to make here.

>>720572570
This guy got revealed to be a hack when he tried to make his own game.

>>720582802
>I don't think genre is a meaningful distinction to make here.
It absolutely fucking is when level design, pacing and movement couldn't possibly be more different between the two genres. It's like trying to compare HP and damage related mechanics between a fighting game and a survival shooter.

>>720561276
lmao, just because your reflexes went to shit, doesn't mean mine will. And even if they do, I would never demand a game be made easier. Not every game is made for everyone. Go play something more your speed and stop ruining good games with your entitlement.

>>720583863
>invalidates PC vegans as a species

>>720546143
It's awesome that it's this easy to bait /v/ still.

How do you open up that skull door in the marrow?

>>720584696
I love you anon. Fuck all gamer dads. Get off your PC and raise your fucking kids like you're supposed to.

>>720558297
>OH YE-

>>720545593 (OP)
>Why are we still doing it?
These games are purposely designed this way because the developers are purposely pandering to nostalgia and think that this out-dated, time wasting, frustrating design crap is what people want.

>>720545593 (OP)
I'm annoyed that I wanted to touch this game and was waiting or reviews from people I trusted not to spoil shit just to get hit with a "Oh and it's Nerfed" because this is the type of Run back I LIVE FOR

>>720555251
Yeah, the reason being GRRM's name being slapped on the cover at peak Game of Kikes popularity.

>>720555256
If anything it makes it feel less arcadey. Arcade platformers made you run the fuck back through half the level.

>>720573201
>but the player gets half hp
Interesting proposal. How about combining these so that the option to spawn next to a boss room appears only after you get the boss to half HP once but it also halves your HP.

The game really has some fucked up situations, not even "hard" but just extremely annoying
Such as
>shards being a thing meaning an extra currency on top of normal currency to use your items
>every other bench is a trap bench or as a gimmick you need to exploit to make sure it works as intended
>the other benches are hidden lol
>the entirety of Mount Fay that is impossible to do unless you find an hidden bench
>backtracking though enemies that try their hardest to hit you before you reach a boss/whatever
>contact damage
>CONTACT DAMAGE THAT IS DOUBLED
>CONTACT DAMAGE ON BOSSES THAT ARE FUCKING STUNNED
>double jump feeling clunky an unnecessary what with all the parkour hornet was doing already
>arena/wave type fights drop neither rosaries nor shards
>wishes reward you with rosaries or nothing most of the time
>entire secret events are setup just for mask shards and spool shards
>a shitload of said shards are pretty much tossed at you in a bag after chapter 2
And so much more!

I will say it's not all bad, I genuinely enjoyed the fight with the First Sinner, it was genuinely fucking fun even though the reward was worthless.
The game is really all over the place, it shows so much dissonance in some sections and some of the pacing, during these 7 years they must have stopped working on it and picking it back up over and over.

>>720545593 (OP)
It's kino. The runback and gauntlet are fun. Bilewater is one of the most kino areas in the whole game.

>>720589887
Is this pasta or are you really this retarded and sovlless? I can agree the bead economy is a little weird and you basically have to farm to enjoy the game properly, but farming is quite fast once you find a good spot.

>>720584508
Kek, you mean the guy who had a meltdown because people didn’t praise his Unity asset flip? Yeah, nothing like shitting on other games for years only to pump out your own half-baked mess and get ratio’d by your own subreddit. Truly the modern Icarus of game critique.

>>720545593 (OP)
Shit design. The run back is just to pad the total playtime it takes you to beat the game. Nobody likes it. It's not hard to do, just annoying and waste of time.

Elden Ring has learned that it's just annoying so they don't force that on anyone. That is part of why it was GOTY when it came out.

>>720590035
NTA, I don't agree with everything he says, but Shards and contact damage on bosses sucks.
Shards are a lose-more mechanic where if you get walled on a boss or a platforming section, every time you use a tool, that is -X from your stash, in a way that eventually means you'll run out if the walling lasts too long.
Contact damage is fine and it is annoying. Fine in that it is consistent and you know why you took damage every time. But annoying because some bosses are particularly fat for their arenas, so at least letting you use the dash to i-frame through them to the other side if they're standing still or stunned, but not dash through attacks themselves, would be a nice change. It wouldn't be immortality, because you'd still have to dodge swings, but it would make it so you'd be able to get yourself out of corners better when the boss isn't attacking.

>>720590035
what are some good farming spot for rossary? I'm on act 2

>>720591002
Whiteward bench, go left, kill, next room left, kill more, run back to the bench.

>>720590778
That is just pathetic. This is not rollslop, you don't have iframes. Every boss is designed with its contact damage in mind and it's absolutely fine.

>>720591097
dang, I was doing that already, I hoped there would be a better spot, thanks anyways

>>720591196
>rollslop
Doesn't exist.
And you get i-frame anyways for taking damage and then can just run through the boss anyhow.

>>720591196
I disagree. Contact damage when the boss is stunned fucking sucks.

People complain, but I actually liked the shards system. You can bank a lot of them (buy 20 bundles) and get a lot of attempts. And the shard tools are insanely powerful. I trivialised a bunch of bosses. But it felt more interesting because I knew if I fucked up too much I'd have to go and farm shards, or get good and kill it normally.

>>720591772
I think having either limited ammo per rest, or unlimited ammo but each deducts from your shard total, would be good on their own.
But together feels kinda mean. Now you're limited in two ways.

>>720545593 (OP)
7 years of devtime meant that the devs became ultra autists at their own games, similar to NES devs becoming gods at their own bullshit games. This means if you aren't a nolife autist, Silksong is pretty annoyingly hard. The difficulty curve is also dogshit.

>400 replies of this niggers personal entourage trying to make content for him to post
i hate this fucking board so much

>>720545593 (OP)
>>720545708
That's the funny thing. They practically cheat in a game like Elden Ring, and when a game DOESN'T enable them in that way they cry and try to harass the developers into submission until they nerf the game and let them win.

>/v/eddit shitters are completely unprepared for a real video game
Sad, but hardly surprising.

>>720545593 (OP)
That bench is hidden btw. Normally it's twice as longer.

why do people try greentext outside of a chan? it makes you look retarded

Question for most of the people in this thread, do you just not play other games? Do you actually think this is the first game with shit checkpoints? And do the rest of you actually think DS3 was the first game to put the checkpoint before the boss?

>>720592089
> gets mad at players who actually learn the mechanics of the game
just accept the hobby isn't for you and drop it, if more people did this it would improve so many issues current games have now

>>720545708
fpbp shitters 100% filtered

>>720555897
People aren't complaining about the banal ones. They're complaining about the Last Judge and Bilewater runbacks because they have to redo parts of the level with enemies and hazards that require you to actually play in order to get past them. If it was just a 5 minute corridor the complaints would be very different. Of course it's a git gud issue.

>>720545593 (OP)
How the fuck backtrack manages to mind break so many players?

>>720599794
They are used to doom scrolling for 4 hours before bed, so they are hardwired to want everything in games to be immediate and easy

It was surprisingly fun getting the last judge and bilewater runbacks nice and smooth. I didn't even have the floaty cloak for LJ (because I'm retarded), I can't believe people complain if they have it, it's really easy. Anyway, a quick but intense parkour runback is way better than a corridor. They also helped me git gud. Do people seriously not find the "secret" bench?

>>720596459
retarded post

>>720548678
This retard never finished a sonic, let alone a megaman.

>>720572880
lil bro didn't get the memo no cap

>>720546143
>her two sons
Almost didnt catch that at first LOL

>>720557661
>piano players have to rehearse for thousands of hours to get good enough to play, to give one example.
when learning a piece of music a musician doesn't reset to the start of the entire piece when they reach a section giving them trouble, they focus on the tricky sections, then string the whole together.

>>720545593 (OP)
>ADs

>>720545708
fpbp

>>720591357
Outside of the few cases where the stun drops the boss into the ground or something akin those lines, which are intended that way for you to dodge (i.e. sister splinter), when would you ever take contact damage from a stunned boss? At that point just play calmer. Most of the contact damage I've taken in this game comes from being greedy and aggressive while lacking precision in my movements, it's a perfectly fine tradeoff for playing that way. Without contact damage the game would be a joke, every single moveset would need to be revamped to account for the fact that you can just stand inside the boss whenever it's not telegraphing. You'd have to become a game more like Nine Sols with an entire different flow and dynamic. In this sort of game moving around the enemy itself is a major part of the combat, and I don't think they would work without contact damage.

>>720592089
I play like 2 games a year, granted most of the time it's in this same genre, and I didn't have any real trouble with Silksong. Maybe some people aren't meant for these kinda games.

>>720545593 (OP)
THERRE WAS A FUCKING BENCH THERE FUCKKKK

>>720546143
>and her two sons
these always make chuckle

>>720601012
So no then

I lost interest after I accidentally got the shitty ending for act 2. I rushed it because I thought there would be an upgrade kek.
the gank fights feel like a lazy waste of time, I got bored of them. just give me a fucking boss. there are sometimes like multiple gank fights minutes apart.
its not even hard its just a slog, and now if I wanna do all the shit and get act 3 I know I have to put up with more of the same boring bullshit.

I can just tell theres gonna be no more interesting upgrades too, cant this game entice me in the slightest to do this crap? nah, the satisfaction of a job well done is my shitty reward, thanks
8 year development btw.

>>720545593 (OP)
I just started replaying windwaker on hero mode, and its actually kinda cool early on, because everything does double damage and you cant heal, feels much better than the original game.

>>720545893
I didn’t realize until after that I could drop the ceiling through Sands of Karak’s peak so I did the second conchfly from the bench past the elevator. Every runback started with dropping into the pit and spawning the climbing vine to the top.

>>720563543
It still is. Using the secret bench route shown REQUIRES you to get poisoned. There’s a low ceiling you can only pass by swimming in the maggotmuck.

>>720545593 (OP)
The runback in a game is part of its difficulty. The developer could let you respawn right outside the boss fight, and then that'd mean the game is challenging you with the boss fight specifically, but the developer could also not do that, because there's no reason to think boss fights are some kind of special thing that needs to be segregated from the rest of the game. Everything between saves is, logically, something the developer intends for you to be able to complete without recovering or with one life or however the game works. It wasn't an accident, that's the game.

When I was a kid, a lot of games made you start all the way back at the beginning when you died and/or had no save mechanic. What did that say about the game design? That it was bad or unfair or something? No, it said that it was hard. The game's difficulty was such that the developer wanted you to do it in a single sitting. You can dislike that. I certainly did, NES games are awful to play for more than 10 minutes, but that was how the developers intended for the games to be played.

It's not a flaw that needs to be fixed, you're just not as good as the intended audience for the game.

Where can I find a 2nd Rhino for hunter's journal if I left the one in Far Fields get away? I'm on act 3 already

>>720605076
tedium is not difficulty. just put the bench at the boss fight. you are white knighting artificial difficulty.
its not the first time in the game they pull this crap, I understand damn well that its intentional. its just not worth whatever tradeoff they gain from it. it shouldn't be something they do multiple times.

You ever notice how runback defenders never say
>the infinite soul totems casualized Path of Pain, you should have to go back to it from the bench every time you die and not be given free heals at every safe platform

Why is that? Why is it that the correct rate of checkpointing is always the exact amount that happened to be present for your playthrough?

>>720605656
>Why is it that the correct rate of checkpointing is always the exact amount that happened to be present for your playthrough?
Because design or mechanical complaints don't exist. Their favorite game is perfect and anything said to the contrary is just a skill issue.

>>720605649
>>720605076
“Difficulty” is the volume inside a 3D box, where the 3 axes are
>how many individual microtasks you must complete
>how difficult the microtasks are
and
>the margin for error you are given in the completion of the list of microtasks

Which is to say, you can make something harder in 3 independent ways
>you get fewer mistakes before having to start over
>you have to do more things before being done / starting over sets you further back
and
>the things you have to do get more demanding.

Typically the last one is the most engaging kind of difficulty. The other two can’t be nonexistent, otherwise the gameplay is flat or one-dimensional, but a 45 minute QTE where a single missed press made you do the whole thing over again would be BRUTALLY difficult and also not any fucking fun at all.

Something being hard doesn’t mean it’s the entertaining kind of hard. Most of Silksong is good hard; Bilewater’s boss fight is not.

Unlike souls games the traversal and platforming is just as important to the fabric of Silksong as the boss fights are. You can hate the runbacks if you want, but I got a lot less frustrated when I started looking at them as "phase 0" of a boss. Whether you realize it or not, striving to do your runbacks efficiently is sharpening your ability to move around in the game just like fighting the bosses is sharpening your ability to succeed at the combat.

>>720606104
Presentation is everything. Boss runbacks in HK annoy the fuck out of me but I absolutely adored the mid-fight “escape” phases in the Ori bosses that added platforming segments. It’s the same thing, adding a platforming part to a boss fight, but it feels so much more intentional and cohesive in Ori.

>>720606386
That's a fair criticism, can't argue with that.

>>720545708
kek

>>720604915
You can make it with a well timed needle throw, but nobody's doing that shit blind.

>>720584762
>vegans, notable for limiting themselves to very few options
>PC players, known for having the most options of any platform
>"pc vegans"
not very bright, are you?

>complains about difficulty
>has compass equipped
pottery

Never played, but I'm pretty sure the point of a mob filled boss runback is attrition. The devs don't want you to reach the boss in perfect condition.

>>720545593 (OP)
>Why are we still doing it?
it's a platformer, this is standard for that type of game, they're fucking shit games

>>720546054
I like the fact not a single reply actually refuted the point that this is bad design. Just a bunch of fags that desperately need to cling to their "gamer cred."

>>720545593 (OP)
Is that route even possible? I seem to remember not being able to to to the right from that bench.

>>720545710
>People brag about being dog shit at video games

it's the opposite of that, motherfuckers are telling others to get good left and right

>>720599629
The Bilewater and Judge run backs are pretty short they’re just sorta demanding as you said, but saying a 5 minute corridor wouldn’t be complained about as much is just wrong. Most DS2 runbacks are basically that.

>>720546054
If you don't have time to play video games you shouldn't play video games.

>>720610695
I'm saying the complaints would be very different. It's very obvious from just reading what people post that the complaints about the runbacks have everything to do with difficulty, or rather, inability to do them perfectly. If the ONLY problem was boring shit, people would lead with that and laugh at the game instead of seething themselves into a curl over dying.

It's okay to do if your game only takes 30 minutes to beat when you're competent at it. Not a good fit for a Metroidvania, especially when you know save and quick travel spots will always be far away from anywhere you actually want to be.

>>720545708
>Tedium = good game

>>720606104
its just a tedious waste of time
one thing to make a game hard, and another is punishing you with time waste, its antifun, not a challenge

>NOOOO YOU CANT MAKE ME RUN BACK TO THE BOSS I HAVE TO BE UP EARLY TOMORROW TO MAKE MR SHEKELBERG MORE MONEY!!!
kek

>>720579452
The run back to fight the mantis dude in act 3 is pretty bad (most people won't even get here), please tell me what purpose this serves at this stage of the game.

>>720605656
>>the infinite soul totems casualized Path of Pain
People do say that though, and it did casualize PoP

>Lace cheevo still below 10%

Devs were smelling their own farts with this one, this is what happens when carpal tunnel trannies test your game.

>>720614781
This is a good thing. The more faggots who can't beat it the better. Imagine appealing to the retarded masses as a measure for quality

>>720614850
idk man, at times it does feel like the game was designed with malice just to fuck with your patience and waste your time. I honestly only finished it because I didn't want to feel like the game beat me.

>>720545593 (OP)
Don't like it, don't play it.
Simple as.

>>720545893
Same. Boss fight took 3 tries and made it all the more tense because I absolutely did NOT want to fail again. I was motivated to play perfect. It also made the overly dramatic bench reveal that much more cathartic.

The runback really wasn't that bad though honestly. In the farthest right room is that little side room where there are just 3 jellies you can infinitely respawn. So you just rush to that room tanking some hits as needed/out of laziness, then you full heal in safety, then you just have 2 rooms to travel to get to the boss. It's effectively like having a bench in that jelly room.

>>720545593 (OP)
The area is full of gimmicks. Just stay in the water and it's piss easy.

There is nothing remotely acceptable or fun about Groal

>>720545593 (OP)
This faggot is a Vtuber btw

Runbacks do nothing to make the boss more challenging. They're just a tedious task to pad out the length of the game, which really isn't needed when the game is as long as Silksong.

>>720545593 (OP)
elden ring is casual as fuck
elden ring 2 would probably add checkpoints mid-boss fight

>>720545593 (OP)
Do these people know there is an item you can find that gives you inmunity to the maggot water?
Its called Ring of Purification or something like that

I found it randomly while exploring, I also liked the runbacks, it was difficult at first but it forced me to get stupid good at platforming, to the point I was pogo-farming the giant vomit spilling flies to get more silk

>>720546378
I found it just fine on my own. You clearly just suck ass.

>>720545593 (OP)
People don’t really care about any of this. The worst runback takes 45 seconds if you suck. I wish I were kidding, but that’s really what people are complaining about. 45 seconds. Yes, 45 seconds. I’d wager half the people posting in this thread haven’t even downloaded the game. And those that have played the game largely didn’t give these runbacks a second thought until their favorite youtuber and redditor told them to be upset about them. People on the internet have a pathological almost obsessive need to complain. Outrage has literally become a drug. There will never be another massive cultural phenomenon without a fake and gay controversy like this. Outrage is the currency of the internet. Nothing will be loved again, nothing will just be good, nothing will just be ok. Forever more there will always be one little thing about everything that journalists and redditors will latch onto in order to satiate their compulsive contrarianism and farm ad revenue. This is the internet as we know it now
45 seconds
Everything is satire

>>720591196
>Every boss is designed with its contact damage in mind
According to whom faggot?

>>720614850
>Imagine appealing to the retarded masses
>HK sold 15 mil copies
>but the majority should indeed be gatekept

>>720546143
>I don't have time to play 'LE HARD' games for some anonymous credit from /v/irgin gamers online.
so stop posting then you hormonal faggot

>>720619547
Do you think they designed and play tested them with contact damage turned off, then turned it on and released the game?

>>720545593 (OP)
>Why are we still doing it?
because zoomers are weak and need to be punished

It's just old bullshit artificial difficulty. It's frustrating NEStalgia. Let's punish the player by wasting their time. You only had a few continues and fuck you.
I get it from a good number of games, but this is a sequel to HK. Hollow Knight wasn't exactly "easy" but it didn't stand out as retro bullshit hard. A lot of people enjoyed it partly because they didn't have this amount of difficulty. So to wait like, 43 years for a sequel to come out to end up unable to enjoy it at some point out of frustration, expecting something like HK and getting something else instead is frustrating by itself. Some people like these games for more things than just pure raw ass fucking.
You'll get the same complaint the other way around with NG Ragebound where they had to patch the game to make hard mode less bullshit to unlock because people don't like wasting time but they do like a challenge.

>>720545593 (OP)
>AIEEEE I CANT HEAL?! WHAT WILL I DO?! I HAVE TO GET GOOD? NOOOOOO!!!

>>720545593 (OP)
I don't know who the twitter faggot is, but I am genuinely getting filtered by that fight.

>>720546143

Or you can just not play garbage boring metroidvanias which are a huge waste of time, unfun and difficult?

>>720551801
You didn't beat it though
The only bullshit part of the runback are the guys who pop up in the small tunnels where you can't get past them and shoot darts at you. The rest is fair and the boss and pre boss are easy

>>720545593 (OP)
>always hated runbacks in Souls games
>tried all of them but could never get far because I hated doing the runback
>reluctantly play Elden Ring and was surprised graces were outside boss rooms
>finish that game and understand how to play it
>go back to the rest of the series
>runbacks stop being an issue outside of a few exceptions like Lud and Zallen or Bed of Chaos for exampled

Funny that, if you don't die you don't have to deal with them. I can't even remember any runbacks in DS3 because that game was so easy I never died to any boss more than twice.

>>720546054
Uhg *swipes down* why won't this thing let me consume it fully without resistance I need and deserve to be a part of the cultural zeitgeist without effort on my part

>>720545593 (OP)
>Average Demon's Souls runback
>Somehow way to hard in a game where you can't level your stats

Curious...

>>720545593 (OP)
Elden Ring was ass because it didn't have boss runbacks.
When devs start listening to bitchbaby whining, every game starts to feel the same because no game is allowed to be punishing.

>>720545593 (OP)
THERE WAS A BENCH HERE?

>>720624630
BENCHOD BASTERD BLOODY BILEWATER BITCH

>>720545593 (OP)
That's just Demon's Souls

>>720545708
FPBP

>>720548602
I don't know why people like the boomer metroidvanias so much, the attack feed back is fucking awful in them. I dropped super metroid because every weapon felt weak, I got lost and it wasn't fun when every area looked the same.

Modern Soulslop has completely ruined game design. Dopamine starved zoomers REQUIRE a full check point and resupply before an obnoxious Artoriasu-Zanzibartu FORGIVE me shitty boss fight.

>>720548992
>playing post patches
___ ____'_ ____ ___ ____.

Staying in water makes this fight 10 times easier. It's classic design where you are supposed to try out different shit and that the place that seems "most dangerous" is the safest.

>>720612212
Wrong, people complain about all runbacks. You made that shit up.

>>720609789
Oh no the response was here
>>720624509

Just because a game gets in the way of doomscrolling social media for 16 hours a day doesn't mean it's poorly designed. Yes, yes. We all know you want to consume the product as fast as possible so you can be part of the "group" and throw a tantrum the more that feeling included is denied to you but... well there is no but.

>>720545593 (OP)
Some of these points baffle me;
> 6 Wave Gank Fight just to attempt the boss
This isn't high halls, these are easy enemies to deal with especially if you're remotely compotent at pogo'ing. None of the enemies are the more complex ones that you see in most gauntlets like the aformentioned High Halls or even Cogworks Core or Underworks' gauntlets.
> Poisoned Water that mkaes you unable to heal in the arena
Can be mitigated by a Tool, if you're managing to break the tool on the way to the boss that's kind of impressive since almost all of the maggot water's avoidable. Even during the boss itself it's not difficult to stay out of the water, use Clawline and Air Dash to go between platforms, and Groal's attacks are fairly easy to deal with when you're just going between one of the edge platforms and the middle two, the only time in the boss fight when it can be an issue is if he does the inhale attack while you're on a lower platform.
> The Boss Spawns Ads
Kinda, the ads that are spawned do their one attack and then disappear into the water again, this isn't like Savage Beastfly where you have to kill the ads or they just stick around, these ads fuck off as soon as they've done their attack and unless you get unlucky, the ads will also disappear before Groal even resurfaces.

The only point I somewhat sympathize with is the runback and its mainly for that easternmost room where the combination of the platforming on the exploding globs and the Squits can be annoying. Maybe this guy should just try and get one of the bad endings and be content with getting to an ending of the game cause Act 3 doesn't suddenly get any easier.

>>720545593 (OP)
Runbacks are part of the challenge, they're a punishment for failure.
If most bosses had checkpoints near them then losing XP on your death would mean loss of tension and consequence because you could easily just retrieve them in seconds by having a checkpoint near bosses.
Elden ring showed how this tension and consequence is lost when you place some form of checkpoint near vast majority of bosses.

>500 reply thread to pajeet twitter screencap
zoomers are so fucking doomed

>>720626305
You have to be mentally challenged to not realize people don't care for twatter screenshot itself, they just want to discuss Silksong shit runbacks

>>720578439
I think Silksongs combat is fun in theory, but the bosses are designed in a way that forces you into the defense constantly, especially the late game bosses. They are constantly dodging around and blocking or countering and only allow you to get in single hits in their openings. The charge attack doesn't give you silk so you are discouraged from using that one as well and because of double damage hitboxes, bouncing on bosses is always risky because if they just decide to move or jump you're eating shit. Basically you are constantly forced to go with the pace of the boss and get very little leeway to express your own style of fighting

>>720625763
Runbacks are an opportunity to get better at traversal and killing trash mobs

>>720545708
Fpbp casuals coddled by elden ring btfo

>>720626894
It's dire that Sekiro solved the worst problem of all action games and made defense contribute to winning fights as much as offense. But aside from very few games all developers worldwide never learned the lesson.

>>720589887
Yeah this game has a really weird insistence on avoiding to reward you too much and ending up feeling unsatisfying as a result.
The easiest example would be how you get a bit of money for every single grub in HK, but for the fleas you get straight out nothing for most of them. Would it have hurt them to make every flea drop a few pearls when leaving?
Then there is the first sinner spell: A late game unlock you get from a really difficult bossfight and what do you get? A shitty inaccurate spell that locks you into place for 3 seconds???????
Why do you have a magnet charm that only works on pearls but not on shards?
I am personally not bothered by the game being difficult and more annoyed by how LITTLE the game gives to you to reward you. I'd rather have a game be harder but provide you with a lot of tools and resources over a slow and grindy easy game. Think Terraria expert mode vs normal mode where you get new equipment, more slots and better drop rates in exchange

>>720627371
Just give yourself 10 good boy points every time you kill a boss.