Thread 720624140

>use a controller for the best experience!
>I'm a keyboard guy but even I use a controller

Every action having one of two modifiers SUCKS.
You will constantly fail down+attacks because you're forced to use the thumbstick for both movement attacks and tools. newsflash, you can't move left and right while doing up and down attacks.

Don't get gaslit by the game into using a controller.also default keyboard binds are horrible
I will now use KBM and make macros to bind down+atk, up+atk, down+skill and up+skill to their seperate keys

>>720624140 (OP)
D-pad

bizarre shitter cope

>>720624140 (OP)
autohotkey is for the civilized person.

>>720624140 (OP)
use the dpad.
before that do the contra test to see if your dpad is even good.

>>720624280
/thread
The only reason to use thumbs in a 2D game is no support for d-pad (massive redflag) or having a 360 controller.

>>720624280
>>720624457
Still makes you do 90% of the games inputs with 2 thumbs, while being constrained by up/down modifiers, and juggling balls with your cheeks

a rational person would just set 10 different moves on 10 keys that your fingers rest on at all times. want to do a downslash? lower that finger

my bindings are very cursed

>>720624759
honestly anon you are just bad.

>>720624759
Counterpoint: if Street Fighter was a PC game, you’d have bound a shoryuken input and a hadouken input and completely ruined the entire input logic.

I’m not a fan of the directional tool system either though, mostly because it’s counterintuitive to have to use up or down to shoot a projectile forward.

>>720624805
Is that from an Xbox controller?

>>720624140 (OP)
>You will constantly fail down+attacks because you're forced to use the thumbstick for both movement attacks and tools. newsflash, you can't move left and right while doing up and down attacks.
The world is not to blame for your abhorrent motor function.

>>720624140 (OP)
I have no idea what youre saying overall but
>you can't move left and right while doing up and down attacks.
interesting...I wonder if this is why it randomly feels sometimes like my down pogo or up attacks doesnt come out

>>720625012
>it’s counterintuitive to have to use up or down to shoot a projectile forward.
Why is everyone on /v/ some retarded troglodyte who tries to rationalize control schemes with various IRL criteria completely irrelevant to control schemes. If you want it to work like that maybe you can make a mod where you can use the D-pad independent of the thumbstick to control your tool direction and your movement separately. You won't do that though because it doesn't fucking matter.

>>720624140 (OP)
>I will now use KBM and make macros to bind down+atk, up+atk, down+skill and up+skill to their seperate keys
"I am a shitter who needs to make macros because I am incapable of utilizing my FINGERS to interface with a controller, this is actually the controllers fault despite my physical failings being the entire problem."
Quick translation for OPs insanity.

>>720624406
Lmao this.
Gamepad is not a good peripheral in general, too few inputs means that devs trying to make anything complex will have to jump through hoops and create ergonomic abominations of inputs just to to make the player using gamepad able to to control their games. There is no number to games that were made objectively worse by being designed for a gamepad. I think the most egregious case in recent memory was elden ring dodge roll happening on release of a key, because there was no way to fit it into a gamepad otherwise, but silksong tool inputs suck just as much shit.

/v/ seems to deem itself as the divine arbiter of video games, yet no one on /v/ can actually MAKE video games. Curious...

>>720624759
>To do a downward attack you have to press down AND attack!
Oh the horror!

>>720624759
>a rational person would just set 10 different moves on 10 keys that your fingers rest on at all times. want to do a downslash? lower that finger
PC gamers are NOT rational people!

>>720624140 (OP)
Youre supposed to be using the dpad you retard

I swear, 90% of people compalining about pogo or controls in general are morons trying to play 8-directional movement game with a thumbstick

>>720625432
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T MAKE THINGS WORK PROPERLY, YOU HAVE TO EAT SHIT AND LIVE WITH CANCER ERGONOMICS BECAUSE ITS LE DEVELOPER VISION OR SOMETHING
Just stop for a second and try to understand what exactly happens in a head of this subhuman who actually defends shitty controls caused by lack of buttons on the "designated gaming peripherial". I literally can't process this subhuman's motivation. It's like some bizarre form of schizophrenia combined with some unwarranted sense of self-importance.

>>720625190
it used to be but i switched to a switch 1 controller after awhile because no matter how much i rebound the controls the xbox controller always strained the fuck out of my hand, i still don't know why since i played elden ring not that long ago and that was never an issue

>>720625012
Fighting games are a crime against ergonomics which should not even exist lmao.

>>720625661
>I am physically incapable of playing games as intended, I NEED to make cheats for myself because of my horrible wobbly bone syndrome and severe gout
Just stop for a second and try to understand what exactly happens in the head of this subhuman who actually cannot play games with their intended control schemes, he NEEDS one hundred buttons or else his dusty, ashen bones might crack and crumble into dust from the immense strain of pressing 2 simultaneously.

>>720624140 (OP)
>Why are the controls terrible?
The controls were great. Until the recent patch removed down+jump.

>>720625792
>as intended
Why is it intended?

>>720625806
im glad im not the only one that thought the change was gay
it did catch me a few times but that was before i knew it existed and afterward i enjoyed being able to queue a double jump to use mid-float

>>720625837
BECAUSE THAT IS HOW IT WAS MADE YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING LUNATIC! Make your macros if you need to, but you just need to remember that using them makes you inherently lesser than anyone who played the game properly.

>>720625965
>BECAUSE THAT IS HOW IT WAS MADE
Did the developer have a choice to make it any other way?

>>720626043
Of course. And they chose to make it the way they did. You cannot play funny games here to save yourself anon, you're a shitter, born and bred.

>>720626147
devs don't have a choice because consolefags and to a lesser degree HKfags expect to be able to play the game with 2 thumbs and middle and forefingers only, on a controller

>>720626285
>No acktualli da devs maid it liek dis becooz dey wan peeple to bee abel to play da gaem

>>720626147
>Of course.
So what are some gamepad buttons they could have bound tool inputs to instead of involving directions?
>You cannot play funny games here to save yourself
Save myself from what? Some genetic waste whose self-worth depends on consuming interactive entertainment products pRoPerLy screeching at me? Why don't you either get a job or have mercy on your poor parents and kill yourself?

>>720626368
Anon, we get it, you're bad at video games. There is no need to make such a big deal about it.

>>720624759
>want to do a downslash? lower that finger
On my d-pad this is just applying more pressure on the middle joint of my thumb and I have problem doing it while holding left or right, my thumb doesn't have to actually move at all. I don't even consciously think about inputs like this and to look down at the controller while playing to see what's actually happening.

>>720626414
You didn't answer a question subhuman.
So what are some gamepad buttons they could have bound tool inputs to instead of involving directions?

>>720626358
I'm not hearing any arguments

60 hours into the game and I'm still failing my down pogo. Thank you for confirming my suspicions OP.

>>720626490
>So what are some gamepad buttons they could have bound tool inputs to instead of involving directions?
D-pad. Unfortunately you monkeys would bitch if the d-pad buttons got used for something other than being a secondary left thumbstick.
>>720626503
Are you a fucking redditor or something? You need actual well reasoned arguments? On fucking 4chan???

>>720624140 (OP)
>use KB
>jump is z key
>attack is x key
>complete reverse of default
>switch it
>now menu confirmation is x key
>and back in menu is z key
Shit's all kinds of fucked up. I don't know what kind of sicko works at team cherry to think this layout is normal but he needs to be put on a leash.

>>720626546
>60 hours in and I am still failing a basic input
>this is in no way shape or form my own fault as a player it is inherently the devs fault
The amount of circlejerking on /v/ that just boils down to this is insane. The game is fine, you just suck at playing it.

>>720626503
Those "people" don't have arguments.
What's more important most of them don't actually play video games at all, not to mention being those rugged pro gamers they constantly LARP as.
It's brown spics and jeets "fighting" "culture war". Apparently some retarded game journalist once complained about some game being hard, and that issue immediately became a Political Subject.
Now you have browns latching to it and shitting up your board.

Both HK and SS baited me into using a controller and wasting my time with a convoluted input scheme because every redditor cries about how they use controllers

default keybinds of wasd in 2025 are inexcusable though

>>720626652
i meant arrows fuck

>>720626634
I play games you absolutely insane nigger. I play games more than any of you faggots in this thread clearly because I am capable of PLAYING A GAME WITH THE DEFAULT CONTROLS. I don't act like some special snowflake who needs everything carefully tailored to their exact specifications or else it's just UNPLAYABLE. You're all a bunch of sissy gay-mers.

>>720626716
why the fuck would you use wasd for a platformer?

>>720626558
>D-pad. Unfortunately you monkeys would bitch if the d-pad buttons got used for something other than being a secondary left thumbstick.
So you just admitted, that the only possible alternative option for this will cause additional ergonomic problems which will make the game even worse..
Maybe the g*mepad is just an inherently bad peripheral that only fits simpler games for various negroes that buy corporate DRM boxes. And if a dev wants to make a more complex game, they are forced to implement some arbitrary retared shit which wouldn't even cross their mind if they were making that game with a keyboard in mind.

>>720626796
Why not?

>>720626864
>And here we have the PC gamer, crying and screaming into the void because his favoured platform is not the most profitable one.

>enemy you have to jump and look up to hit
>you jump
>enemy launches attack
>you try to use silk power
>oops, here's your tool
dogshit design
it should've been dual input of triangle and circle or something like that

>>720626758
That's even worse actually, this means you've been successfully buck broken to see nothing wrong with bad ergonomics, and even have fucking PRIDE in eating up bad ergonomics.
It's a textbook hazing ritual victim lmfao.

>>720624590
I use the Steam controller "d-pad", with click off and haptics on max, I feels kinda weird, but after an hour of getting used to it felt way better than the stick.

>>720624805
Is rare for me see another fellow trigger jumper

>>720626796
why the fuck would you use arrows and lock yourself out of using any additional buttons with thumb pinkie or the other three fingers?
give me a different reason than "I'm used to it"

I just found out that if you play the Needolin near someone, you can hear their thoughts just like the dream nail.

Why didn't any of you tell me?

>>720626914
Why would I scream when I can just spend 2 minutes finishing that fucking dev's job and get rid of this retarded shit caused by constraints which are no longer there in my case?
You are the one screaming and crying here bitch, because of those evil pc gaymers committing profanation of your "gamepad gaming culture" and devaluing your hard earned hazing.

>>720624805
Ape Escape made me a bumper jumper guy.

>>720624140 (OP)
I use keyboard. I bound heal to shift.

>>720626939
Why are you holding up if you're planning on using your silk power? Do you are have stupid?

>>720624140 (OP)
I simply refuse to believe this is a real person. It's too perfect an encapsulation of everything that has destroyed videogames for the past decade.

>>720628910
>points out garbage control scheme
>how you dare!

I don't get it, why did they decide button combinations for tools
I'm sure there's better ways

How did they get away with it?

>>720630330
yes and it's called a keyboard. it has lots of buttons which you can simultaneously rest all of your 10 fingers on

but apparently team cherry wants people to use a controller with 2 sticks and 8 buttons, most of which you will simultaneously controll with just your thumbs

>>720631223
Once again, it all boils down to video games as concept being weighted down by the legacy of 20th century concepts like "dedicated video game console", and bad peripherals related to that concept >>720625485.
This shit has no reason to exist in 21st century. Modern "console" is by definition just a completely usual PC, except with a locked down operating system to enforce DRM.

>>720630330
The Diamond face button layout and the subsequent fuckening of dual analog leading to the overuse the shoulder buttons does not encourage the creation of good control schemes.

>>720626358
>sharty

>>720631223
It's really telling that they don't even let you bind diagonals to their own keys. Expecting me to press two keys at the same time is ridiculous.

>>720626914
Xbox and Sony have backed out entirely, try again.

>>720631889
now I really can't tell what's bait

>>720631953
I don't get it, why did they decide key combinations for capital letters
I'm sure there's better ways

>>720624140 (OP)
Keyboard is way better imo, and I played HK1 with both. I don't see any advantage of a controller when you only have 4 movement directions. Mashing the dpad sucks, or maybe my dpad just sucks. Anyway controllers are gay. They should just have a separate binding for down attack though, let's be honest.

>>720627047
My hands feel comfier a bit further apart for long gayming sessions.

>>720626939
do you have brain latency? if you're going to press your silk attack why would you not just let go of your directional input too

I use an analog stick to move :)

The types of people that complain about basic directional inputs in a 2D platformer are the same types that whine about MH controls and say it should be more streamlined like dark souls

>>720626939
They hated him because she spoketh the trvth

>>720632375
>you dont understand
>its bad on purpose

>>720632471
This is a textbook reasoning of a victim of a succesful hazing.
>I got beaten up and fucked in the ass, but it was a part of a special initiation process which made me a part of the select few, who are above those weak retards that didn't get beaten up and fucked in the ass.
You may argue that having to consume a product with shitty ergonomics is not as bad as that, but when shitty ergonomics are presented as a feature and not a bug, it makes them equally arbitrary, pointless and existing only for hazing.

>>720624140 (OP)
WASD move, space jump, JKIL for attack, dash etc.
I do have a controller, but that's not a controller game.

>>720624140 (OP)
i play with controller and never use d-pad. game feels fine to control, the difficulty is just ridiculous in places. i miss (input) a down+attack/pogo sometimes but eh

>>720632471
>bro why have free inputs in fighting games
>every input should just lead into an auto combo

>>720631953
>he doesn't bind down attack to 䨻 or all directions at the same time to 鑰
Look, I paid for these keys and I will use them

>>720632783
>I bought a metroidvania expecting guilty gear

I just use my 4 back buttons on my controller where I can bind anything including keyboard shortcuts and mouse buttons if I ever wanted it. Isn't that how everyone does it?

>>720632641
why would you want every game to play the exact same? homogenization of controls has led to nearly every single third person action game following the same control scheme of Fromsoft games for a decade now and it's boring as fuck just playing the same game with a different skin. Once upon a time part of playing new games was mastering the new controls too.

>>720633117
>why would you want every game to play the exact same
Because there is generally only one solution, or few very similar ones, for optimal ergonomics of a control scheme? This subject works with a human body as a baseline, and human bodies don't change much over time it takes to develop a video game.

>but I've said a word "homogenization" which means it's a bad thing!
No brown culture warrior things in this discussion please.

>and it's boring as fuck just playing the same game with a different skin
The feeling of a game depends on many things, if they all feel the same, it's on a dev to make them as such.

>Once upon a time part of playing new games was mastering the new controls too.
In what time? Le retro games time? Antediluvian quarter munchers time? It can stay there. If this concept was bringing positive things to the medium, it would have been kept and not discarded.

>>720633870
>because I don't agree with it it makes it bad
Genuinely not a argument and immediately trying to deflect to older games says a lot about how little experience you have with the evolution of game genres and how stagnated they are now, and of course it's a bad thing and the use of the scary long homo word doesn't make it less true. Imagine playing any new third person shooter, and they all played and controlled exactly like fortnite for ten years, instead of having varied control types like ratchet and clanks trigger strafing or gears of war and mass effects emphasis on cover shooting.

keyboard is outright better for both hollow knight games
except for the fact they forgot to make you able to reload the rosary cannon

>>720634830
>lifebloods used
YOU

DID NOT

BEAT P5

!!

>>720634830
Cannon is fixed now for me.

>>720635121
i didnt use lifeblood for p5 but good luck doing p5 all bindings without it

>>720633117
Then by all fucking means, have the devs design a completely new control scheme and game for each platform like the good old days.
The problem is that games are laid out for the lowest common denominator input scheme and devs don't put the effort into making a good control scheme for anything, which is why controls have homogenized so heavily, since there just isn't a lot you can do with a 360 controller that still feels adequate to play.
>>720633870
>Because there is generally only one solution, or few very similar ones, for optimal ergonomics of a control scheme? This subject works with a human body as a baseline, and human bodies don't change much over time it takes to develop a video game.
There are as many optimal control schemes as there are controllers, you do not use the same ergonomics to fell a tree with an axe as you do with a saw, even if you use the human body to do so.
>>720634732
>instead of having varied control types like ratchet and clanks trigger strafing or gears of war and mass effects emphasis on cover shooting.
Those games were all trying to work around just how bad dual analog inputs are for more complicated games, because they were obsessed with trying to backport the successes and capabilities of PC to consoles, rather than adapting the control scheme on a per game basis, which eventually lead to the current "refinement" of controller focused control schemes.

>>720634732
>and they all played and controlled exactly like fortnite for ten years, instead of having varied control types like ratchet and clanks trigger strafing or gears of war and mass effects emphasis on cover shooting
This is not a controls issue lmao. The game design concept is created first. The task of proper controls implementation comes after it.

>>720624140 (OP)
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DO NI PUANA VO RI NET
PA NI SA MI MA NI CET
DA NA FON SIU LO BON!

>>720636254
Game design flows from the controls. If you don't create a character that is fun to control with your controller, then what are you even doing?

>>720624805
Jump left trigger attack right trigger is fucking insane. Has any game ever natively done that?

>>720624406
do you know how to code autohotkeys?

I have some problem where I can't use my down+attack macro more than once every second and i can't use it right after dashing midair.

do any delays fix this?

>>720624140 (OP)
I used keyboard and have zero problems. Metroidvanias, almost all play better or at least well on keyboard.

If he can get to act 3 on keyboard you can

>>720624140 (OP)
dunno who says this is best on a controller, its impossible to play without using the dpad or a keyboard

>>720643828
Works on my controller.