Thread 720625723

>check out some random american streamer playing my favorite game
>some unvoiced text appears in game
>they struggle to coherently read it out loud for the stream
Why is this so common? Are they actually illiterate? Not even ESL streamers have a problem with that.

>>720625723 (OP)
American education pivoted from phonics for English education and completely fucked the comprehension skills of everyone who wasn't already gifted in it. Not memeing or shitposting, I'm straight up telling you what happened as an American.

>>720625723 (OP)
amerilards 21 and younger are illiterate

Just look at any genshin thread. Half of /v/ cannot read.

>>720625917
Those are shitposting SE Asians. You can't blame Americans for that shit.

>>720625723 (OP)
why do you think people like dubs so much? they can't read to begin with.

>>720625723 (OP)
I don't know from what mental illness i am suffering but i can't speak properly, i stutter and such, reading out loud is out of the question

>>720625723 (OP)
Reading is a skill that isn't practiced on text longer than a simple sentence anymore, let alone reading out loud

>>720626020
>tfw same
i haven't conversed with a anyone in years, and i rarely ever talk or speak to myself out loud, so i always thought it might be from years of self-isolation and lack of any kind of social interaction rotting my brain.it's gotten to the point where i can't say a sentence without mispronouncing something or tripping over my words. i swear i wasn't like this before

>>720625723 (OP)
a lot of them are illiterate yes

look up the "three-cueing system", some states have been outright banning it because they realized it's making people worse at reading

are these people okay? the seethe about the usa is constant.

>>720625723 (OP)
Streamers are subhumans

>>720625723 (OP)
Only 79% of Americans are literate.
Only 45% of Americans can read beyond a 4th grade level.

>>720627778
>>720626020
>>720625723 (OP)
The Twitch streamer psy op was supposed to keep the spoiled gamer kids' social skills intact. Looks like it failed.

>>720628443
>look up the "three-cueing system"
No.
Explain it to me in your own words.

>>720629035
It teaches kids to figure out how to pronounce a word they've never seen before the wrong way, forming habits that are incredibly hard to break once you fall into them.

>ARIA4
>JIF

>>720625723 (OP)
Fuck you troonimai poster. It literally has CP embedded and it represents the thinking of pedophiles very well. They think that because the main character gets a humiliation ritual from his sister, they can groom children

>>720629545
Do people really say it like “gift” without the t lmao? That’s so obviously wrong do you also say “Skub-a”?

>>720628717
Statistics taken with immigrants included*

>>720629764
Sharty sharty shartycuck!
Sharty sharty shartycuck!~

>>720629764
kill yourself
>>720631338
step infront of a speeding train

>>720625723 (OP)
Are you retarded? Every fucking streamer does this.
>but
No, stop being retarded

>>720625723 (OP)
slit your throat worthless tranny

>>720625723 (OP)
i'm french and here we struggle to not pronounce english words like we're françois hollande
but for americans to struggle with their own language pronounciation... does it mean that english in general is difficult to pronounce even for native speakers?
>>720631338
mahiro chad, headpat and steam giftcards for you
>>720629764
>>720632106
(((あなた)))
get out sharty autist, you're repulsing

Sex with mahiro

>>720625723 (OP)
Yes, Americans are illiterate 3rd worlders.

>watch streamer
>tutorial popup: how to do [thing]
>streamer checks chat instead
>skips popup
>5 mins later: guys wtf it's not letting me do [thing]

lmao american's can't even make it as monolinguals, how's this phenomenon's supposed to be called? halflinguals or what? fucking embarrasing

>>720632531
You are muslim

Reading is for faggots

>>720625723 (OP)
>Are they actually illiterate
Short answer is yes.

Long answer is that language isn't universal across reading, speaking and writing as it exists in the brain, as a matter of fact, some languages use slightly different parts of the brain. If you're not used to reading text aloud (translating neural connections related to reading to neural connections related to speaking), you'll fumble with it, if you don't practice it, you will actually lose the skill since your brain is constantly rewriting itself.

Typically in primary education, this is what oral presentations were intended to have you practice, but this has basically become lost knowledge in structuring school curriculum as the focus has gone towards fostering awareness of social issues over actual education. In adult life, if you have little reason to practice reading/speaking skills, you simply lose it over time.

>>720632847
Not a single streamer have enough of patience to read for some fucking reason.

>>720632847
Streamers are playing a character for the company that employs them, part of the archetypal streamer character is that he’s not very smart so that the audience can feel superior to them, which makes them feel good about themselves. Nobody wants to watch a streamer that plays the game normally and doesn’t really struggle this is engagement 101

>>720633664
Sounds like cope.

>>720633664
>they're just pretending to be retarded
Sure, buddy.

>>720633664
Northernlion does pretty good

>>720625723 (OP)
American kids are being taught to guess what a word is from the first and last letter instead of just reading the word which fucks with their comprehension.

>>720634985
What the fuck? This can't possibly be true, how does it make any sense?

>>720629035
The three-cueing system is based on the writings of psychologist Frank Goodman, who in the 60s suggested that because people can still ndrstnd wrds f y rmv rndm lttrs that actually reading text is ancillary to comprehending this. This has no actual basis in neuroscience, which teaches us that you can still understand a sentence with letters removed because your brain has been trained to be able to comprehend language structure already, but in America alone this brought about the idea that you can teach children to read more efficiently if you tell them to guess what a sentence says from context rather than trying to break it down and comprehend it. For example, if I write "OP is a faggot," the three-cue system would say just to read the "OP is a" part and guess that the next word is faggot, because that's the most likely word to come next.

>>720635398
Americans are basically LLMs? Lmao

>>720635398
Every day mutts finds new ways to baffle me with their idiocy.

>>720625723 (OP)
personally i just skim though all the text in games nowadays unless the writers were skilled enough to keep it sufficiently brief
usually all the important information is in the last sentence and everything else is just filler and maymays anyway

>>720625723 (OP)
Whats the text

Its probably some pseudo Shakespearean archaic phrasing

>>720625851
>American education pivoted from phonics for English education
What do they teach instead? You gotta teach kids to read somehow... right?

>>720635857
Most of our early English education in public schools is just the teachers having us memorize random words. Reading is encouraged but almost never mandated. High school is supposed to be the time where they want us to read important books as well as shit like Shakespeare, but my actual experience of high school English was a lot of the teachers doing nothing while they made kids badly read the script for Shakespeare plays out of book, as well as watching random movie adaptions of famous books as an alternative to actually having to read the book as part of homework. In fact I don’t think I ever had to read a single book in all my years of public schooling. I did read a lot as a kid, but it was only because I wanted to.

>>720628717
>>720627892
>>720632747
>>720635282
>>720635857
They teach American children to "recognise" familiar words, instead of learning how words are constructed. This is why, when an American speaker encounters an unfamiliar word, they often insert letters that aren't even present, usually extra Ls, Rs, Ts, or Is. Because they're guessing the word based on what's familiar to them as opposed to understanding how words are constructed, and how their placement changes pronunciation.

>>720635398
wait, so burgeristanis literally looked at a T9 and thought this is how people think?

>>720625723 (OP)
60% of Americans have reading capacity below 6th graders. No joke. There's a reason why "Americans are dumb" and "American education" memes exists.

>>720635816
It's "apple" actually. They had trouble reading as if it's epple, upple or opple but eventually settled on calling it nipple because nigger.

>>720636348
When I was in high school, our teacher had us read a Shakespeare play (it was either Caesar or Romeo and Juliet). Everyone had a role, but it wasn’t like a performance or anything, people would just read their line for the first time from the textbook out loud.
The play kept using the word “aye” in the script. All of my classmates decided to pronounce as ayy, as in ayyy lmao. One of the characters has a soliloquy at one point where they repeatedly say aye, but the text actually starts rendering it as just the letter I. The girl assigned to read that portion still insisted on pronouncing the letter I as “ayyy”

>>720636728
>verily, forsooth, dearest Romeo
>AYY LMAO
Fuckin Shakespeare, man.

>>720625723 (OP)
>>720627778
>>720629545
>>720631338
You are not an anime girl

>>720635398
three queueing has nothing o do with omitting letters, in fact, that relies on the direct opposite
and reading the rest of your post, you don't seem to understand how utterly dogshit that system actually was

Mahiro!

>>720625723 (OP)
Rare manga Mahiron

>>720629764
How do i see it without permanently having the pixels saved into my storage

>>720635398
>For example, if I write "OP is a faggot," the three-cue system would say just to read the "OP is a" part and guess that the next word is faggot, because that's the most likely word to come next.
This explains so much, holy shit.
I never realized Americans actually """"read"""" like this. Genuinely, this recontextualized a lot of interactions I had on this website over the years.
Thank you for explaining.

>>720627778
Do you at least have an inner monologue?

>>720636168
grim

>>720625723 (OP)
illiterate streamers are common in every language, you should see how much vtubers struggle with kanji

>>720636168
>In fact I don’t think I ever had to read a single book in all my years of public schooling.
Jesus christ. Not only did I, in primary school (Years 1-7), have to do book reports, but I would borrow so many books from the school library (remember those?) that I had to be given special permissions to withdraw more per month than average students.
Phones and tablets really have fucked these recent generations.

>>720626020
>>720627778
lack of socialization in early years

>>720644000
Nice numbers.
>Phones and tablets really have fucked these recent generations.
They really have, but the fault really lies on the parents who continue to put their kids infront of a screen asap so that they don't have to actually parent their kids and can just fuck off and do whatever.

>>720642534
Kanji is difficult

>>720625723 (OP)
Functional illiteracy is a real problem. They cant even read manga