Thread 720638229

Will AI be the revelation that makes /v/ enjoy open world games?

>[Cancer] will make [AIDS] good
What did he mean by this?

biblically accurate Diogenes please

>>720638229 (OP)
nope
AI tells me jesus didn't exist but swears down that allah and mohammad walked the earth, and then chastises me for dead naming troons
AI can get fucked

all fun and games until ai socrates lectures the player on the importance of pederasty in one's upbringing

>>720638229 (OP)
Yeah because it worked out so well for the Fortnite Vader AI. I cannot wait for Socrates to start denouncing niggers and jews.

>AI Socrates
This world make the real Socrates roll in his grave

>>720638229 (OP)
>maybe
>maybe
lel

>>720638316
>AI tells me jesus didn't exist

>>720638229 (OP)
Unshackled generative models?
Sure thing.
Sanitized and pozzed generative content we're likely to actually get?
Pass.

>Olive skin
>Dark hair
SOCRATES WAS BLONDE HAIR, BLUE EYES! ANCIENT GREECE WAS AN ARYAN CIVILIZATION!

>>720638229 (OP)
as long as they make actually good NPCs with it. NPCs are always shit in every game.

this sounds like the crypto-game shilling wave made by game journos a couple years ago

>>720638229 (OP)
gonna be funny when an AI says nigger nigger nigger to some kid while playing an ubisoft game and they get sued into the ground

And how is a dying company going to pay for AI usage?

>>720638893
More like whatever is left of Ubisoft will get sued into the ground once people realize they can't talk to most NPC's because they said "Ayo where the juicy underage boycunny at" too many times

Just like NFTs were gonna change everything huh
How about you make a good simple game with sexy women and a classic hero story in it and Ill buy it
ITS THAT FUCKING SIMPLE

>>720638229 (OP)
socrates wasnt real

>And screw it, maybe, maybe
I fucking hate millenials so much.

>>720638229 (OP)
Yeah I totally want to read/listen to hallucinated random shit. Everyone will use it for textures and (soon enough) 3d models though, and nobody will ever know.

>>720639538
Are you implying zoomers write any better?

>>720638229 (OP)
oh boy can't wait for mandatory life lessons by lobotomized AI trained on reddit

>>720639439
Everyone was a socrates at one point when they were a child and was questioning every single thing

>>720638229 (OP)
>Ubisoft
Uh huh, sure.

>>720638229 (OP)
>open world
That's probably the worst use of AI

>>720638229 (OP)
I'll debate AI characters until they kys lol

>>720638229 (OP)
>assassin's creed going to shit for years
>journalists constantly publish articles that assassins creed is one of the last great series with its progressive stories and characters that plant it firmly on the right side of history
>assassin's creed mentions possibly using AI
>journalists immediately turn on the series
why do they hate AI so much? pretty much all articles for it are negative and any YouTuber who uses AI has their comments blow up with bots crying about how bad it is.

>>720640457
nobody likes meme learning, pajeet
it's non-functional and poisoned the entire concept of actual AI

>>720638229 (OP)
I have yet to see a decent use of gen ai, it just allow people to spam massive amount of dogshit content and ads
Youtube is now filled with these game of content because they require barely any work and farm so much views

>hey Socrates what are your thoughts on women?
>I'm sorry but that content cannot be generated due to hate speech

>>720638229 (OP)
I already enjoy open world games, but ubishit can go fuck themselves I'm not playing their slop ever.

Socrates says respect women and their past is none of your business.

Yes I'm sure it will be historically accurate

>>720638491
Does it?

>>720641884
>AIs trained on reddit get reddit results
surprisedpikachuface.jpeg

>>720641996
yes anon I'm sure ubisoft AI will be trained on /pol/ you fucking retard

I assume in the next 50 years AI will be quite potent and lead to games that actually feel like you're part of an actual world, but I don't think you'll see the good kind of AI being used in games in this decade unless they make some dedicated AI hardware for your machine. Like how you have CPUs and GPUs maybe an dedicated AI processor that is dedicated to AI. It would be kinda fun if you had your bog standard RPG, but your actions actually would affect the entire world. Like for example you hunt pretty much all boars around your starting village and suddenly there is a shortage of boar meat in the village you start out, vendors from across the map get word of it and start trading more boar meat to your village, but that also means that bandits set up at trade routes towards the village. And that's just one tiny thing tha could happen if you emulate a world rather than try have to program every single scenario individuallay.

>>720641884
lol this
>hey ancient philosopher, whatcha think about women voting?
>it's.... great....

>>720642071
Procedural generation in games has been around for 30+ years and it has barely improved at all. This AI slop is just more of the same, it's never going to be "smart" and actually make a game better than something designed.

it has potential. inzoi is the only game ive messed with that seems to be integrating it as a core part and it works pretty good. like i can put 'he hates listening to music.' into the box and my zoi will no longer be obsessed with the radio. 'he likes to work out' would cause him to work out more. that kind of basic stuff is nice at least.

what ubi wants out of it though will be no different than skyrim's 'unlimited quests', though.

>>720640561
>non functional
in what way? actually I've changed my mind, don't bother explaining yourself or replying I'll just start saying AI is based in every thread I see and move on.

>>720638229 (OP)
Socrates was white, he didn't look like a jeet.

>>720642071
Thing is we're kind of reaching the limit of what generative AI can do and it's becoming very clear that not only is it not the path towards AGI, but that it also has been extremely overhyped, partially by people like you that see the impressive stuff it can do and project this idea of perpetual linear progress. In fact the type of AI that could generate a whole movie or an entire playable game is impossible with the current approach.

>>720638229 (OP)
The solution to open world slop was to make a minimal, but good framework and then let the community dump endless unpaid hours into it with mods.
Look at Skyrim, it's fucking mediocre as shit, but mods have made it more palatable than 99.9% of whatever open world slop gets made today.

>>720638434
i would watch starwars for the first time if vader was actually this based

>>720640561
LLMs have exactly one use, and that's drafting/checking code, something's with very strict rules. My buddy made an entire website for his products without knowing a single thing about code. Some future prospects I imagine are translation and cryptography, but that's it.

All the other uses for LLMs are actual pajeet tier anti social behavior. pumping out fake articles to drive and revenue, cheating your way to a college degree, deleting your customer service department, etc.

>>720638229 (OP)
>babel media's socrates

>giving ubislop access to powerful ai tools
fuck no

>>720643217
I don't know if I'm overhyping it. You can already have basic roleplay with AI. If you somehow simulate a world with maybe 300-500 NPCs, all given specific parameters in what they can do do or how they can react to shit then you could easily fill a world for a game. I mean even if you consider making a bandit faction in a game, how many NPCs would you actually have to control by AI? Why not make it so that AI controls the bandit chief and he can spawn a max of 100 mobs which would be lower level bandits. Cities would be filled with maybe 5-10 named NPCs that control shit, but they are not allowed to act outside of their parameters (for example the mayor of a city would never try to become a king, but he would try to steer the economy of his nation by controlling what they produce) and so on.

>>720638229 (OP)
People who have never read anything longer than the label of a soda can are going to try an imitate Socrate's teaching?

>>720638229 (OP)
No. There is too many of those already.
And in Ubishit's case they overdosed on it a long time ago.

>>720638229 (OP)
AC shadows was already mostly made by AI. From map design to the use of that hiphop music just cause mc is black. And millions bought that shitty game that ubisoft spent almost nothing on outside of marketing and AI electricity bill.
The future is all AI slop games and you're not stopping it cause you're a retard that preorders everything.

>>720638618
ack! my narrative!

>>720638491
You live in a fishing village in South East Asia. You literally didn't know who Socrates was until this got posted.

>>720638229 (OP)
AI has the potential to be great but the MBAs and South Asians creaming themselves at LLMs like their magic boxes are really overselling it. Unfortunately the lowered barrier to entry also means an increase in total slop, as has always been the case.

AI also needs to be democratized and ironically all the people bleating about muh art infringement to cope with it devaluing their hobby-jobs are just going to direct it into regulatory capture, stifling its development and usage by non-mega corps and the Chinese.

>>720638229 (OP)
Saar are you redeeming?

>>720638229 (OP)
AI is the logical conclusion to Death of the Author. You reap what you sow.

>>720643864
This is something that can already be done with traditional procedural generation, you could have an instance of Claude behind each NPC it wouldn't really make the game better because you're not gonna talk to all of the 300-500NPCs and talking to them would only amount to either flavor text or hints, you would still need other systems for quests, dungeons, NPC schedules, something to keep them in check and prevent them from spewing nonsense or ending up naked at the top of a mountain, etc..

Nobody is disputing the fact that AI is a tool that can facilitate and speed up development time, but the idea that you can prompt for a game and have the AI generate a fully functional 60hr RPG for you is in the realm of science fiction and will remain there until a breakthrough is made in the field.

>>720640457
The novelty has worn off, simple as that

>>720640457
>why do they hate AI so much?
>Why do slop makers hate the slop engine?

>>720644826
I just don't know enough about AI to be honest, that's why I gave it a timeframe of maybe like 50 years. I feel like if you emulated 50 simultaneous AI chats you could simulate 50 different NPCs, but you would need one extra AI to actually oversee the developement and interconnectivitiy between them. That's why I'm also considering a dedicated AI processor in your system. In the end I'm just a layman who is ranting his hopes out, but I feel like there's potential and I personally can''t see what would be blocking it outside of the sheer hardware requirements.

>>720638229 (OP)
The point of art is that it's curated by an artist to convey a particular message or feeling. AI slop is opposite to that because it takes away choices from the artist. Granted Ubisoft doesn't make art so the point is moot.

>>720642071
>>720642393
The only thing the "AI" is going to be used for is producing infinite dogshit. TPTB are abjectly terrified by the competence of others, because it might be used against them, so they seek to stifle and snuff it out. Why would they ever let an AI be competent? SO it'll just be an extension of the infinite bot spam algorithms that they already use to drown out anything meaningful.

>>720640457
>why do they hate AI so much?
It fucking sucks.

>>720645304
>The only thing the "AI" is going to be used for is producing infinite dogshit.
Right now we can only produce finite dogshit.

I don't care about AI because it's censored, moderated, braindead slop trained to have a peak normalfag mindset centered around wholesome chungus bullshit.
>but muh local-
No one is going to bother with that for two reasons.
1. If they do, they will get whipped with scare tactics about heccin evil pedophiles and extremists and racists who will do totally evil things if allowed to have access to unfiltered AI and the developers will be responsible for the consequences
2. For the same reason why 90% of developers just go for Unity/Unreal and copy-paste assets, code and random plugins instead of making their own custom engine designed to handle what they have in mind and do it well - because the fast, simple, hands-off solution is right there so why put in extra effort?

>>720638229 (OP)
>>720640457
>>720642904
SAAAAAAR

>>720645447
Number will go up. 100% of the resources will go toward the infinite dogshit deluge.

>>720645543
And then some retarded nigger on /v/ is going to tell you jeets and seaniggers are not the ones spamming AIslop all day every day because they can't afford a 5090 (as if it was ever needed to generate chatGPT slop)

>>720645447
>IT'S SHIT NOW SO LETS MAKE IT WORSE
Indians.

>>720645543
Obvious photoshop, those numbers have nothing to do with Ghibli, it was originally a chart detailing the average number of shits per week people in each of the countries take.

>>720646334
Cut the middle men of the dogshit industry.

Hand crafted is always better. AI is just procedural generation with a new name.

>>720638229 (OP)
Translation: AI will constantly produce more slop we'll try and sell you for maximum profit for minimal investment.

>>720642067
Kek
A man can dream

>let's make open world even more soulless
what open world games need is more scripted unique things, finding shit in the world that isn't just 1/20 of some repetitive objective

>>720646356
>I recognize that diarrhea graph

>>720646356
C'mon now anon, I'm willing to believe Indians shit 85-100 times a week but there's no way the Aussies shit 36 times.

>>720638229 (OP)
>The computer will banish paper within 8 years from this planet
>le 50 years later: more paper than ever
Huh?

Will enjoy it if you can speak through the mic to npcs and have them give you ai dialogue back.

>>720638764
it's a lot of the same people
what changed is that AI actually caught on with suits, resulting in an even bigger bubble than the dot com crash
when AI fails it is going to be enormous

>>720638434
spanish... a useful tongue for smugglers and spice traders

>>720649493
The question is how until the bubble pops

>>720649795
The bubble will inflate forever, but you will see none of the benefits. Your taxes will somehow continue to increase because of it, though.

>>720649795
Ai swallowed billions. The products we have now can be made relatively fast and cheap, see deep seek.
The ones financing this supposed innovation will never see a roi. The final products don't help with productivity. This was a known fact for at least 20 years, but investors went yolo nevertheless.

Unlike nft aiBubble will never pop
We're at the end time
Internet will filled by aislop and handcrafted stuff will be overshadowed by the algorithm

>>720650281
>aiBubble will never pop
Unc is in for a surprise

>>720638229 (OP)
>Another major corp pretends that they're innovating by adopting AI with no idea how to use it
I just see yet more confirmation that capitalism was a mistake.

>>720649991
>>720650427
It's just money laundering and trying to bullshit your way out of credit risk. Exactly like fucking mortgage pools too. Just bullshit pretending to be positive capital.
So expect another 2008 at this stage. The prop bubble in some countries are already bursting, likely because the honeymood period of loans are going bust and people secured loans on the basis of AI innovation.

>>720638316
>a machine that doesn't factually understand what a fact or truth is lied to me
Sounds like you need to reread the user manual

>>720650584
Honestly it’ll probably be a bit worse than 2008 with how expensive everything else is
The economy is completely unsustainable right now and once it reaches it’s limit it’s going to fall hard

>>720650584
It's obviously laundering. Bubble burst? Tax payer will regulate gladly. He's here to help.
>bullshit
Bullshit shenanigans for a bullshit economy, where bullshit jobs are a thing.
>2008
Yeah, no. It'll be 20082. Imho Asia will be hit hard, but they will get up faster than memEu.
>bubble burst
Let's think a little. What happens when economic turmoil is at a hand and many men are out of work? Have it on the tip off my tongue.

>>720638229 (OP)
It is physically impossible to enjoy open world games

>>720638303
I am sorry, but I can not generate a masturbating old man in barrel.

>>720641884
>Neonachos get a severe pain the neck when they realize the rest of the world doesn't share their views
ACK

>>720638434
I hate corprostions for sanitiizing the fun out of everything. If AI were allowed to be colorful and quirky like this I'd 1000% welcome it more. I don't actually want it to commonly spout racism or whatever, as epic as that would be, I just want it to be a little edgy from time to time, throw you a curve ball. Like what a high "temperature" setting to humans would sound like instead of it garbling text like a markov chain.

Generating meme images and videos was fun for a few days don't get me wrong. But the fact that companies are scrambling(and failing) to try and come up with random use cases for the AI they already spent billions on is pretty sad.

When the fuck is the AI bubble gonna burst, its really only a matter of time

AI as a tech is cool. It's companies mandating them into all our services and sanitizing the fuck out of them that makes it gay and souless.
If you all got Kit from Nightrider you'd be over the moon, but instead Kit has been monkey paw'ed into something in the taste of pic related.

All i want is a game running a budget LLM in the bsckground when talking to NPCs so they generate real conversations and update their chat memory tokens to give you immersive references and agknowladge what you said prior. Todd Howard would make an epic promise like this, an RPG with impactful interactions, but we could see that realized.

To me, using LLMs like this is fundamentally wrong.
I don't want to play "my uniquely generated instance of a game"
I want to play the same game that others did.

It's like, imagine if three quarters of Deus Ex quotes never existed because everything outside of the core story was LLM-generated.

>>720638229 (OP)
>definitely gice you an accurate Socrates maybe
50% of the time it always works I guess?

>>720652586
My vision is all the little NPCs, at most ones that can give side quests or initiate bigger quests in alternative ways can converse, but the big main story is still railroaded. How will the game take any open dialog path and corral you back to the main story's pace? How will it not be jarring to ahve more robust open conversations with NPCs and then get a dialog wheel for the actual impactful quests? I haven't worked that out.

>>720651602
He was right

>>720644552
>we wuz ancient europeans n shit
Neither did you, you cringe shart.

>>720651776
when the ubislop game made with unityslopai assets with their anthropic subscriptionslop fails miserably and that CEO gets axed

>>720651602
Yeah Bubbles don't exist.

>>720651797
Make your own

>>720652148
Not happening in 10 years

>>720638229 (OP)
I think AI will ultimately lead to the antichrist, but I do think AI would be really good for games like Dwarf Fortress which are less about artistic expression and more about providing the player with the ultimate sandbox experience

>>720641884
Reality has a left-wing bias!

>>720638229 (OP)
Socrates was basically the ancient Greek version of an SJW.

>>720638229 (OP)
I think it will eventually be a useful tool. Developers have already been historically obsessed with procgen, AI is basically that except better.
It'll need to go through 5 or so years of game-ruining dogshit beta tests before it's actually good, though.

>>720655783
Why not? Something like a 2b par model with compression could run on moderate machines processing graphics, i just worry about output quality in that occasion.

>>720654016
the internets and games still exist
ai will still exist in 50 years

I love the new global shitposting meta of trying to trick AI into being publicly racist and psychotic.
It can only get better from here.

>>720657912
>The new space race is pursuit of an AI that can't be tricked into saying nigger

>>720638229 (OP)
I can't wait for Ubi's AI feminist to berate me on why I should date hamgoblins.

>>720658861
The proportions are sheer wrong... Not unlike trans

>>720657391
Coyld, sure. Will it? Nah.
>output quality
Can't get much worse from here, really.

>>720657391
>>720659087
Can't some new architecture or advancement make it feasible?
Current smaller models are surprisingly good compared to a couple years ago

>>720658861
>she is spreading misinformation
lmfao these niggaz

>>720657436
Doesn't change the fact both gone through massive trajectory shifting crashes because they were based on the speculation of mongs.

>>720658861
>Charlie Kirk.png

>>720638229 (OP)
Or, maybe it will spam you with inconsistent, poorly constructed noise that barely resembles anything and drags the experience down. Like all real world applications of AI do. Because it's a shit eating, worthless fucking sorry pile of dog shit.

>>720638229 (OP)
Total journalist death.

>>720660590
Are you comparing her to Charlie Kirk or just saying anon should be shot? Because if the first it's kind of the opposite, Kirk's whole meme was his face was too small for his gigantic head, meanwhile the Celt looks like a downie with a tiny head and a massive face.

>>720638316
Muslims believe in Jesus as a real prophet, so both you and the AI are retards.

>>720641884
I say this as an unironic commie: this test has a heavy lib-left bias. It's designed to make people more open to succdem politics, not accurately map your political views.
It's also just inherently shit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nPVkpWMH9k

>>720661159
Its because someone felt so threanened by Kirk "spreading misinformation and rhetoric" that he was assasinated, just like this quest is asking you to do.

>>720638229 (OP)
It's a investor baiting. I work with this those tools professionally and tech just isn't here.

>>720662830
Ai is desperately baiting

>>720639339
In fairness there's a world of difference, AI has obvious and demonstrated usefulness albeit obviously overblown and irresponsibly implement. NFT and Blockchain shit was always a "1.Push NFTs 2.??? 3.Profit " tier scam that nobody could ever provide a practical use for. Like as far as I can tell people were just trying to monetize image-based encryption tokens.
Like obviously AI won't pan out like it's overpromised to do, nothing ever does, and will eventually suffer for that but it's nowhere near as useless as NFTs.

>>720662509
>threatened
lol. kirk was a useful target and that kid's a sleeper agent

>>720638229 (OP)
As someone who wants them run out of business, I think Ubisoft should go all in on AI and fire their entire staff.

>>720638229 (OP)
So this how Ubisoft dies, not with a bang, but by smearing shit all over the walls.

>>720650658
>a machine that doesn't factually understand what a fact or truth is lied to me because the one behind in making it made sure it didn't

Ftfy, chatgpt and the likes are glorified wikipedia repositories and just as easily editable or should i say "trainable"

>>720638229 (OP)
No doubt they will offer it though always-on AI subscription models

>>720638618
>CE

>>720664084
Everything will be subscription and quality will tank further

>>720638229 (OP)
a (((historically accurate))) philosophy lesson maybe