Thread 720644304

i have Nutendo 'open-world sloppa must be in every game' fatigue

I bet the threw away like 3 whole MP4 games and only actually began this game's development after ToTK was released

I am BEYOND fucking pissed that this is the direction the game is going. Literal worst case scenario. All of the normal first person stuff looks “fine” but this retarded open world/zone bike shit is awful. The second and third trailers basically killed all remaining hype. I officially know zero people excited for this game. You can only blame so much on the marketing before reality sets in. Of all the games I ever looked forward to, this might be the biggest heartbreak.

>>720645685
lmao

>>720645824
fuck off nigger

on the one hand I don't want open world sloppa in my Metroid, on the other hand I also wouldn't want literally just MP1,2,3 again.

>>720647063
>On the one hand, I don't want a bad game, on the other hand I also wouldn't want a good game again.

>>720645685
Wym I'm super hyped for Metroid Prime:Infinite(GCN)

>>720645071
I bet you are completely full of shit

>>720647162
I know that what I'm about to insane is gonna be impossible to comprehend for fans of metroidvanias but playing essentially the same game over and over again is not interesting, even if the game that is copied was novel and interesting itself at the time. This is also why I have no interest in Grime, Hollow Knight, Ender Lillies and all these other metroidvanias that are just the same game over and over again.

>>720647465
I don’t mind a “new” way to explore the environment but Metroid lives or dies by the quality of its atmosphere and environments and this one looks like shit.

>>720647936
I don't disagree, just saying I also wouldn't want literally the same thing again.

>>720647465
>>720647465
This.

>Generic Earthlike Desert
I SLEEP
>Alien Desert with exotic colored Sand and a crazy skybox
KINOMAXXED

They fucked up MASSIVELY.

>>720648928
Holy shit this, there’s a ton of ways you can make an alien desert exciting. Like fields of multicolored glass, or a salt flat with ancient coral superstructures, or extreme weather. Where is the vision? It looks like literally any shitty desert level.

>>720644304 (OP)
you're comparing a game that exists to a game in your imagination and the latter will never be flawed

>>720649825
Sorry but

>Motorcycle in a generic sandy desert
Is an incredibly low bar. Would it have killed them to make the desert a fun exotic color at least?

>>720647465
I know what I'm about to say is gonna be impossible to comprehend for people who are not fans of Metroidvanias, but when I play a genre(much less series) I expect to get more of the same and that's the entire reason I'm there. If you don't like a genre, play something else instead of expecting it to be changed.

>insane
Well, you got one part right.

>>720650013
Then someone else would have complained.

>>720644304 (OP)
They played Warframe and took all the wrong lessons from Plains of Eidolon and the k-drives, didn't they?

>>720650013
I don't especially care for the cycle or desert either, just responding to the sentiment implied by the quote

But seriously, when is it coming out? Also, I want a prine 2 and 3 remaster like they did with 1 back in 2023

>>720650027
Rain World is a metroidvania that made things interesting in meaningful ways. Which is also why people then say it's not a metroidvania. Anyway, not sure how you can stomach getting le double jump as your second upgrade for the 10th time to jump over le pit with spikes. Yes it is true, I cannot understand why people would just want the same experience again but from a different game when nothing meaningfully changes. But at the same time I'm of course aware that players' habit to seek out familiar things over new ideas is the reason why gaming has stagnated to this point.

>>720650238
>when is it coming out?
December 4th, have you been living under a rock?

>it's a "pretend a hub world is the entire game" episode
I hate reruns.

>>720650443
Kinda I guess, haven't paid much attention to news lately, mostly just actually playing vidya. Silksong is consuming all my free time right now

>>720650604
nobody pretended this was the case.
but having such a fat empty desert up world in the centre of the map makes interconnectedness impossible and an interconnected world is part of the appeal of Metroid, alrjo this was already compromised in MP3 and I can't say that game was bad

I'm gonna wait for reviews on this one
3D Metroids do not have a strong track record
>Prime Hunters
>Other M
>Federation Force
>Prime 3 (I just didn't like it)

>>720647465
I feel the same way about the entire SHMUP genre

>>720644304 (OP)
Who the FUCK said "open world" was a good idea for a fucking Metroid game?

>>720650757
You haven't played the game nor seen a deep dive/hands-on with it. You're a modern 21st century reactionary retard.

>>720650757
>nobody pretended this was the case
They are doing it RIGHT NOW. See
>>720645685
>>720644304 (OP)

>>720645685
>I officially know zero people excited for this game
this was always the case because metroid games sell like shit

>>720650826
?
you can literally see the large landmarks of the different biomes far in the distance, like the huge tree, and the cragged cliffs of the ice area. There very far apart. How would you connect them on foot? Underground ancient metro system? But in the end that still wouldn't lead to them being intertwined in a way that people appreciate about these games. Then again, Metroid Dread was arguably the same since you had to get on the trains to switch biomes.

>>720650912
why are you lying? one of the people you responded to even differentiated between open world sections and first person sections, so they're evidently not pretending that the open world "hub" is the whole game. I think you might just have low iq

>>720650357
>Anyway, not sure how you can stomach getting le double jump as your second upgrade for the 10th time to jump over le pit with spikes
You have never played a metroid or castlevania game in your life, what in the hell are ypu talkimg about?

>>720651096
Every instance of riding the bike showed gameplay elements attached to it.

>>720651280
like a very cinematic sub-30 framerate

>>720651202
>calls others low IQ
>has no reading comprehension
Every time.

>>720651330
The game is confirmed 120 frames on switch 2.

By saying this lie, you literally out yourself for being a Snoy or PC Cuck. Pathetic.

>>720651454
Why would I buy a Switch 2 for this when it looks like a Xbox 360 game?

>>720651371
quote:
>it's a "pretend a hub world is the entire game" episode

>>720651565
All of the top selling and most praised games on Steam look like they were made for the GameCube on earlier retard

>>720651565
uhhh, increased framerate and crappy joycon mouse controls?
maybe its only the switch 1 version that runs as shitty as the trailer

>>720651610
And you lack the reading comprehension to understand what the implication here is.

>>720644304 (OP)
>Primebabbies want to speed-boost through an entire desert instead of driving a bike.
>Primebabbies gleefully ignore the building RIGHT ON THE FUCKING IMAGE and say the desert is empty and there won't be anything to do
>The desert was shown for 18 seconds

>>720644304 (OP)
Can you even imagine what the Bandai Namco version looked like given this is what they are proud of?

Are you retarded fuckniggers seriously implying Prime 1 2 and 3 were repetitive and formulaic?

This is why metroidfags deserve nothing
Hope Mercurysteam goes back to Castlevania or some shit and Retro is sent to the Donkey Kong mines for another 10 years
You're getting Sakamoto dogshit, that's all you deserve

>>720650812
>Why would you want a huge area of land in the game about exploring and finding hidden shit???
Gee I dunno Anon
It's a mystery

Post your top 5 favorite Sylux moments

>>720654892
5. When he shot that guy
4. When I shot him
3. When he showed up in the post credits scene
2. When you niggers wouldn't shut up about the post credits scene for 18 years
1. When you finally got the fucking game after 18 years and you started bitching about a fucking desert

>>720654132
Retro Studios as we know it, even as the ones that were doing Tropical Freeze, doesn't exist anymore. They probably were atomized and restructured into oblivion by Nintendo after TF had underwhelming initial sales. This is why Prime 4 took so long to come out. But even if it was, even more Returns DK would be better than Mercurysteam, those faggots are awful and they've yet to make a videogame that doesn't have their glossy hyper produced 7th gen stuck fingerprints all ovger it. Samus Returns sucked fucking cock.

>I don't want the same game again
I would accept this if there's been anything like an actual Metroid game released in the past 30 years (not counting AM2R). We've had some platform games and 3D games with a person called Samus in them sure. But to claim fatigue for Metroid is insane because we haven't been playing Metroid games. I guess unless you've been playing a lot of slightly shitty genre fan games you paid money for aka "indies" but no one told you to go wear yourself out on shitty versions of Metroid. Anyways, point is I don't want an open world !Metroid. Use a different property or make a new IP or something fuck you.

>>720653868
>primeCHADS want to speedboost through the desert instead first person instead of using a stupid gimmick cycle no one asked for
Correct.

>>720647936
>Metroid lives or dies by the quality of its atmosphere and environments and this one looks like shit
this was the case with dread yet this board couldn't stop sucking that game's dick

I mean, Dread was super good and came out fairly recently all things considered, at the very least 2D Metroid will be okay and we’ll probably see 6 soon. Sucks to see Prime turn into open world slop for normalfaggots but I always knew that was real possibility.

>>720657048
Dread’s environments were good, it was the soundtrack and mixing that sucked.

I thought a motorcycle in Zelda was the stupidest shit until I played BotW and used exclusively that bike to get everywhere. It's fun and way faster than a horse. If Zelda can make a motorized vehicle work then I assume Metroid can do the same.

>>720657048
The way Samus Returns discarded and shat all over Metroid 2's atmosphere was fucking criminal. And there was no need to go that far, a lot of it was just asinine level design and music choices, they should have not done it that way. The way they just didn't care about the desolate emptiness that increases as you delve deeper has given me never-ending contempt for those devs.

>>720657431
SR was better than AM2R.

>>720657276
>>720657431
>locks you in a room to forcefeed you exposition through the faggot computer
immersion? uninterrupted gameplay? never heard of it

>>720650357
rain world is pure nigger aids. dont you dare compare it to Metroid

>>720657482
I know you've instantly conflated that guy as me because you saw me mention AM2R, but we're not and 4chan has turned your brain into soup. Samus Reparries do be shit tho

>>720657482
I've never played AM2R but I've doubt it, Samus Returns just puts a magnifying glass on all of Metroid 2's shortcomings, none of the tacky gimmicks make up for the absolute assasination of the atmosphere and the game feels even more repetitive. Maybe the chozo checkpoints are an okay idea but other than that, SR is a complete travesty.

>>720657589
I didn’t mean to imply that I’m a schizo who thinks every anon I reply to is the same person, I just think AM2R is shit and propped up by nitendont contrarians who wouldn’t give half a fuck about it if Nintendo hadn’t C&D’d it. Dread was kino and you’re an animetranny with shit opinions. Tongue my anus.

>>720657537
Super was over 30 years ago faggot. Not every single one of these games needs to be the exact same.
>inb4 “t-then why are you mad about the bike”
Because it looks like shit, DESU. At least the computer room gave us beakposting.

It blows my mind people can't conceive of just a segment of gameplay being open. How youtuber-critic brained are you all?

>>720658175
any game that rips away control from you at any point is a bad game
any game that forces you to listen to dogshit tutorialized dialogue is a bad game
a game in a franchise built around isolation and atmosphere doing these things is completely fucking reprehensible

>>720658414
Nintendo’s open world slop is pure dogshit. The best case scenario is that it’s just a hub and the bike actually has some cool track puzzle sections that are morph ball puzzle-adjacent. Are you prepared for the worse case scenario that it’s just a big disconnected piece of shit literal sandbox?

I wanna know what these weird fucking giger towers are

>>720644304 (OP)
Who gives a shit at metroid in 2025?

>>720644304 (OP)
They never said that, that's all rumors that have NEVER been confirmed.

>>720657923
I played it before it was c&d'd tho, I spend time off this website so I form opinions by myself unlike (You). I spent enough time tonguing anus when I played the switch Metroid games, thanks.

>>720658572
I'm prepared for it but I don't have to make engagment bait youtube videos or X posts to get paid so I'm thinking it will turn out pretty good. Nintendo is terrible at marketing, news at 11.

>>720658430
lol ok actranny

>>720658614
>They never said that, that's all rumors that have NEVER been confirmed.
What exactly are you claiming is a rumor? Because this clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLIv_UXI_So
is shinya takahashi saying that development wasn't meeting their quality standards so they restarted development

>>720658414
any time waster segment in a video game is bad and a time waster is all open world ever is

>>720659126
The fighting in that segment reminded me of Starlink which could be decent. Would help break up extended 1st person sessions, especially if there is a way to bypass it at some point if you don't want the break up.

>>720658741
>4chan is one person

>>720644304 (OP)
Bold prediction: The time travel mechanic causes changes and additions to the hub area as you progress through the game, it looks like this to start because there was some big disaster on Viewros in the past.

>giant interconnected map
>no fast travel aside from sparse teleporters
>bike is a means to travel quickly between zones, using track sections and open spaces
If it’s executed well this could be great. Unfortunately Nintendo has gone out of its way to make this game look retarded for 2/3 trailers, so chances are it’s just another shitty open world.

>>720659645
That would be cool. Could see it. I wonder if Switch 1 can do this kind of shit. I really wish this game was a Switch 2 exclusive. It's good to know in a couple years they won't have to do this Switch 1 holding shit back development.

>>720660053
>MP5 allegedly already in development
>we might have to wait until ~2030 for an actual high-quality no-handicaps Prime
Fuck dude.

>>720657431
>The way Samus Returns discarded and shat all over Metroid 2's atmosphere was fucking criminal.
No worse than AM2R did.

>>720660161
It is what it is. Other hardware gets insane pushes just to produce slop like Monster Hunter Wilds but Switch has to be handicapped for the essential Japanese portable element. They still make better games even with the handicap. Will Switch 3 generation finally be almost total parity? They absolutely matched Switch 2 to PS4.

Who asked for a shitty empty hub world in a Metroid game? They're going to try to sell this as you being able to choose where you want to go first, aren't they?

>>720644304 (OP)
It should have been a hover bike. In other games Samus's space ship literally hovers for days, perhaps weeks, while Samus is on her mission. I suspect they have the technology to build a hover bike. The fact that they went with a wheeled bike, just lets me know that they are working by the book. Not thinking creatively.

>>720650812
Me. But I always had the Outer Wilds model in mind. Where Samus would fly from planet to planet in real time. And each planet is physically small and only contains important set pieces, not wasting space.

>>720659645
to back up my claim, we already have this very thing being teased for the normal areas

>>720644304 (OP)
The bike is such a retarded choice. It's like if they took away her beam canon and gave her a gun instead. What on earth were they thinking?

I don’t like that it feels like the bike exists to justify the empty open zone, and not the other way around. Like they got a studio mandate to slop up the game and the bike was added after.

>>720659645
Interesting theory, I have another one
>intro to trailer 2 has samus show up out of a portal
>can't be immediately after the intro at the GF facility because her suit has already been modified and has the psychic mote in the forehead.
>Therefore she probably arrives on viewros in a different region, then gets the psychic power upgrade, and warps to the jungle region through the portal.
>ergo, there exists ways to travel between regions that aren't just the open desert zone.

>>720660950
Even worse is that it looks like the entrance to each no area is a long pathway made for the dumb bike.

I just realized I don't think they have shown any kind of new visor

>>720656865
>ESL
Opinion discarded, Juan.

>>720660161
>>720660302
The switch isn't a powerhouse for sure, but just look at prime remastered. It CAN play pretty games. I feel like the prime 4 problems are more from devs and the design choices.

>>720651010
To his point though, I stopped caring about this game after I saw the first trailer. Nothing they've shown has made me excited to play it. I've played every Metroid (not spinoffs like federation force) so far and consider myself a pretty big fan.

>>720661578
>Retro Studios got robbed by Bamco
>Bamco fucked up
>Nintendo pussies out on Bamco
>Retro Studios rescued Prime 4
This game development is aids. Be grateful that 'tendo didn't kill it as soon as Bamco fucked up. If Retro fucks up they are going back to eat shit and die in the Donkey Kong Country Returns mines, that's for sure.

>>720658974
That's true at least, but he never said it was Namco making the game in that video. All that was known officially was that it was a new team unconnected from Retro and that Tanabe was producing it before they brought Retro back

>>720644304 (OP)
Why the fuck are they copying botw? Botw made sense because it returned to Zelda 1's roots (which makes Totk worse considering that game is just bloated to the core). Metroid was never open world hell its the opposite of it.

>>720665409
I know, it's retarded. Zelda also put life in their open world, this is just barren. Open world fits Zelda no matter how much Zelda fans deny it, but it doesn't fit Metroid. It completely goes against what Metroid stands for.

>>720665409
>see a big open area
>think of botw
mindbroken

>>720665794
>see a big open area
>think of shit games
It's called pattern recognition.

>>720665902
totally mindbroken kek

>>720665794
and why wouldn't you after totk and bananza which both followed the "le choose your own adventure open world" formula?

>>720648928
sorry, video games arent allowed to be weird anymore

>>720661228
>ergo, there exists ways to travel between regions that aren't just the open desert zone.
yea but just making it a bunch of teleporters doesn't lead to interesting interconnected world design.

>>720647465
play another game than faggot

>>720650795
This I don't why people praise the prime games when most of them were terrible

>>720667548
wow bro what a response

>>720667548
but I want to play a game called Faggot, eslkun

>>720644304 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhMSGi6kKsM

>>720644304 (OP)
Honestly, for an empty desert it's pretty good looking. It looks better than BotW.

It is genuinely comedic how Nintendo really does seem to think that the best path going forward is partially BOTWfying all their franchises

Why didn't they give her a superfast chocobo?

>>720644304 (OP)
Shame this desert absorbed all trailer discussion in this place, even if I get it. Anyway, I liked the look of the stormy region, aesthetically. It's got a distinctly alien feeling to it that Metroid is often hit-or-miss about, in my opinion.

Apologize.

>>720671491
Did Adam authorize this post?

>>720665938
Bananza is a collectathon in the style of Banjo-Kazooie and Odyssey, though. It's a tad retarded to compare it to Zelda.

>>720671118
It absorbed it because it's the main theme of the game, it's even in the game's cover art. The GF Research Facility was small, the Forest section looked small, people can see where this is leading to and have a right to be concerned for where this is going. Why did Prime 4 need an open world?

>>720672548
>forest section looked small
Idk by what metric you have decided that the forest is small. We've seen a handful of rooms and rhey all look large

Most anticipated release this year, and DK Bananza is what completely sold me on Switch 2 already.

>>720671669
anon, Banjo Tooie compares very favorably to Zelda or Metroid

>>720644304 (OP)
>We decided to do another asset flip because that's what our new fans enjoy the most
It's like watching an old friend get hit by a car.

>>720665409
>Metroid was never open world
Goal: defeat Mother Brain
if you kill Kraid you get 75 missile capacity
if you kill Ridley you get 75 missile capacity

You need ice beam to get to Mother Brain
there's a super secret one hidden at the beginning of the game if you're so inclined to beat it in under 30 minutes.

It's going to sell like crazy and people will call it the BOTW of Metroid while a bunch of retards on /v/ will cry about how open world bad.
/v/eddit had the gall to call BOTW a fake Zelda when it was the closest to the core concept of Zelda since the original and A Link to the Past while Ocarina - Skyward Shit were just linear slop nobody cared about outside of the aesthetic.
Prime 4 is shaping up to be the modern Super Metroid.

>>720661228
if it's time travel maybe she arrives out of the portal with the suit on, before she finds and acquires it initially

>>720671491
two wrongs don't make a right

>>720645685
>BEYOND
hehehe

>>720658572
Nintendo made the best open world game

>>720671669
BotW and TotK are collectathons too, except you collect useless trash from chests or orbs instead of moons or bananas.

>>720657276
>>720657431
Dread was just a Fusion with no atmosphere

>>720673052
Breath of the Wild looked interesting and the open world had life in it, this shit looks tagged on with a shitty empty space with some Metroid Prime in the distance.

>>720673306
Dread had atmosphere

>>720656813
I roll my eyes everytime I see responses like yours. Replay the damn series if you want those experiences. I was so disappointed when they first showed Prime 4 and it looked like retreading Prime 1 again. I was so excited when they showed a vast landscape and new traversal method.

>>720673306
That was Other M, Dread was a Metroid game. I don't know what the hell Fusion was trying to be but it sure as hell wasn't a Metroid game. I hate the newfags that came in with it.

>>720665409
Metroid is about Samus going from planet to planet fucking shit up. The perfect Metroid game would have you visit multiple planets each with their own open world. Each planet would only have ONE objective like kill some boss or get some item and the game is about how you as a player achieve that.
This is what the developers behind the NES original envisioned but were limited by the hardware. The reason why open world is so popular is because it's the natural evolution of the metroidvania formula.

FUCK DOOMERS

WE RIDE

>>720654009
Are you implying they aren't?

>>720650357
Aonuma was spot on in the interview where he said he cannot understand why people want linear formulaic games. I swear people fear setting their own direction and guiding their own journey.

realistically there is no direction a modern metroid release could take that would convince me to buy it or waste my time playing it. fun and wonder are lostech.

>>720645685
>I am BEYOND fucking pissed
kek
Open world is the future of video games, stay mad.

The only ones seething at this game are retarded Gamecubesnoys.

>>720673448
Fusion was fucking amazing. Super Metroid, Zero Mission and Fusion were all virtually flawless. And I say it as someone who played and likes the first game on NES unlike most people in these threads.

>>720673474
>WE HOLD FORWARD OR A WHILE A BUNCH OF MINIMALIST DESERT GOES BY AND MUH HECKIN DYNAMIC MUSIC
i do wish i could be simple brained and pleased by stupid shit sometimes though

>>720673769
Amazing at what? You storyfags say this shit all the time but it's proven time and time again, that the less story, the better. Fusion is good for one playthrough while every other 2D Metroid game is fully replayable because you can complete it in different ways. Don't put Fusion beside Super or Zero Mission. It's a very flawed game and ignoring it just makes you ignorant. Take that zoomer mindset back to where it came from, you sheep.

>one of the coolest things about the prime games was immersion via first person view of how samus sees the world
>add in 3rd person view driving section
from this alone I can conclude that prime 4 is probably going to be Another M 2.0.

Also why does the game look WORSE than the original prime games on gamecube? It looks like an indie dev's alpha playtest build during the driving section.

>>720673957
I'm looking forward to your seething when it becomes the best-selling Metroid game ever, cubesnoy.

>>720665409
Primefags are going to kill metroid again

>>720673602
Ocarina of Time did incredible damage to the franchise (and gaming as a whole) that wasn't fully repaired until Breath of the Wild. They called him a madman but Egoraptor was spot on over a decade ago when he praised ALTTP while shitting on Ocarina for being a massive step backwards.

>>720673769
>>720674057
i sorta think zero mission sucks too. no one has been as grumpy and pedantic for as long as i have!

>>720673452
No it isn't retard

>>720674116
>muh heckin console wars
i fucking hate it all it all SUCKS fuck YOU no one is ever getting my money again!

>>720674129
Prime can't kill Metroid, it can only kill a part of it. This has no effect on 2D Metroid.

>>720673052
>linear slop nobody cared about outside of the aesthetic.
>ocarina
>slop nobody cared about
Its quite literally often heralded as the greatest game of all time.
To say that its slop or that nobody cares about it is legitimately delusional

>>720673957
This anon has been buck broken since 2017.

Probably gets all his talking points from youtubers.

>>720674090
>inb4 muh morph ball segments were le third person
but then you know that when you intentionally generated an open ended shitpost with an LLM didn't you? fuck video games, fuck all of you, suck my fucking cock.

>>720672548
>it's even in the game's cover art
True, but it's not the focus of the cover, by any means. The main backdrop is the shrine area (presumably related to the psychic powers).
>The GF Research Facility was small
It's the game's Frigate Orpheon equivalent by any reasonable metric, not sure why you bothered to mention this.
>the Forest section looked small
As the anon who responded to you already said, there's nothing that really indicates the size of this zone one way or the other.
>people can see where this is leading to and have a right to be concerned for where this is going
To be honest, I share a lot of those concerns (even if I agree with the people saying it looks less like a full-blown open world and closer to The Great Sea from WW). I just think there are other things in that trailer that at this point are more interesting and haven't really been dicussed at all, which is lame.

I just want to say, I really enjoy the term "cubesnoy"

>>720674057
I played more Metroid games than you. You only played Super Metroid because reddit told you it's le timeless masterpiece.
You don't hate Fusion because it's a bad game, you hate that Nintendo refused to give you a redundant Super Metroid 3 and being forced out of your comfort zone.
Variety is the spice of life fuck playing games with the same exact formula until the heat death of the universe.

>>720674209
We don't care about your money, dummy.

>>720674292
>muh youtubers
online content is even worse than og cable television, place both my testicles in your mouth and gargle you moron consumerist bitch cuck skin flutist

>>720674301
bro even normalfags in the comments of the trailer showing off the bike shit are concerned.

>>720674362
>implying
online attention economy is gay, you begin the course correction by eating a fucking bullet in front of your mother

>>720674386
Uh oh!

Melty!!

>>720674202
Silksong might be more up your alley if you want 30 year old unchanged game design. I don't want another Prime 1 or another fucking Super Metroid. I've played them all and want something new that Prime 4 is promising to deliver. The dream of the original NES game developers, realized.

>>720674341
I've played every 2D game. You only like Fusion because reddit told you to like it. If you were a real fan, you would have called out its flaws. I knew Other M was going to be bad because it was taking too much from Fusion. Also, if I hated every 2D Metroid post-Super, I wouldn't like Zero Mission, Samus Returns, and Dread. The problem was always Fusion; it's divorced from the other 2D Metroid games.

>>720674328
I'm sure it hits close to home for you, cubie.

>>720674260
I hope you're right. I don't want 2D metroid to get infected by the prime cancer.

>>720674470
I'm in your walls

Im in your walls

I'm in your walls

>>720674684
>prime cancer
???

>>720674279
Ocarina is an amazing game but I think it was inferior to ALTTP and lead games in the wrong direction and the course wasn't corrected until Dark Souls and then BOTW.

>>720673602
I think Aonuma is right and wrong to an extent. BotW in my opinion was always at its best when it retained its dynamicism while at the same time restricting you a fair bit. Like how in the opening moments of BotW and TotK I actually had to make use of things like felling a tree to cross a ravine or to put together a float to cross a river. Or that gauntlet to Zora's domain where the rain is so heavy that you can't just easily climb out of there. I disliked both TotK and Bananza for making me feel like I had to actively gimp myself in order to not skip past the fun stuff. Lime in Bananaza you'll smash through a wall to get to a Banana, and then see that there was another path to the Banana that looks like it would've been much more fun to traverse. And I constantly ran into that shit in TotK especially. Like there's that super cool gauntlet in TotKs gerudo valley, but it you actually use Link's tool set, then you'll easily just skip it completely by just running on top of the whole valley which really doesn't require much effort. That said, old Zelda games really are just baby games where you literally just put the cube in the cube shaped hole over and over again.

>>720674684
It never was. If Prime shits itself, they'll just stick with 2D Metroid and call it a day.

>>720674529
>What kind of video games do you like?
this is me after all you consumerist morons have crashed and burned every last bastion of civilization after being infinitely brain souped on a steady diet of internet shitposting

>>720674684
Too late, brah.

>>720674576
Super Metroid is the only game redditors have played. Liking Fusion is the litmus test for being a true fan or just wanting to play Super Metroid ad nauseam.
>only 2D games
Then why are you in a Prime thread?

>>720674758
Bro I thought we were talking about Metroid, what the fuck.

We have legit schizophrenics in this thread.

>>720644304 (OP)
>beat final boss
>SELF-DESTRUCT COUNTDOWN INITIATED
>Samus gets on the bike
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2NVJSJVGVQ

I think im gonna thoroughly play every prime in the leadup to this game. 1 game a month, in order

>>720674547
No fuck you I want Metroid. If you want open world trash go play another game

>>720674814
Yeah and everybody hated that forced fight.

>>720675009
Then go play old Metroid.

>>720674429
They were also saying they wouldn't buy a Switch 2 and look how that turned out

>>720675147
I do that's why I don't play the prime games

>>720675136
Bitch please.

Majority of people loved that fight because it requires actual skill and it redeemed Samus after her character assassination in Other M.

>>720674963
heres some other questions i'll ask
>Reddit or 4chan?
>What do you think about anime?
>What's your favorite meme?
naturally they're all trick question purity tests to see if you're a compromised internet user who lost their sense of self

>>720648839
>doesnt want to play metroid
I'm so fucking sick of chameleons like this infesting every fucking thing

>>720657276
They were not good at all, the environments in prime 4 in particular take a fat shit over dread's, the desert one is the only one that looks underwhelming

>>720674547
No thanks. I'm not a reddit tranny.

>>720675287
Okay, I'll humor your questions.

4chan
Love old anime like Outlaw Star
Brown Bricks

>>720673769
>fusion was amazing
lol

terrible level design, non-existent exploration, reused upgrades from super (not even all of them), dogshit story with unskipable cutscenes about samus's dead OC boyfriend, boring environments (except NOC) and mediocre music

>>720674684
It already got infected by Other M cancer with the stupid cinematic finishers and Samus's default speed being sprinting around like a goddamn spaz

Hey guys we finally got a sequel to Mach Rider.

>>720673448
lmao for all its worts Other M has atmosphere, everything from the commercials to the released game it had a theme and vibe. hate the gameplay all you want. Dread is a sterile spacestation, Fusion was set in one and had impeccable atmosphere despite.

>>720674129
prime is the only reason metroid even survived post-super

>>720675305
your iq is literally too low to even understand what I'm saying

>>720669486
kek

Just how bad was bamcos version if this is better

>>720674736
I disagree, the beginning of Totk is the best designed dungeon in the game. But it's still just training wheels for what the game allows the player the freedom to choose what to do, that is where the game shines, after removing the training wheels.

>>720675704
People forget the Metroid renaissance we had from 2002-2010

Came crashing down with Other M in 2010.

>>720675821
>fusion S tier
not a real metroid fan

>>720674090
>why does the game look WORSE than the original prime games on gamecube?
get your eyes checked

>>720675971
yeah, metroid's golden age was spearheaded and dominated by the prime games. 2D metroid isn't even developed in house anymore.

>>720675704
No it didn't

>>720675951
you receive the training wheels when they give you the paraglider

>>720673769
>>720675821
I'm with you, Fusion's fucking cool as shit for boss variety and providing the best atmosphere in the series only enhanced by every single metric and pickup in the game making as much sense for Samus as it does for the player. This last thing is incredibly underrated and something very few videogames do, and the ones that bother with it are artsty fartsy crap, not action packed shooter platformers. Plus it wears its identity on its sleeve and warns you about what it is from the first moment you start having those MGS-esque comversations with Adam. More modern Metroids like to charade about being open but are extremely linear anyways.

>>720676065
Even so, Fusion and Zero Mission were great games.

>>720676086
yes it did, fusion was only greenlit after prime's marketing drummed up enough interest. prime 3 was also the only thing around at the time to soften the blow of other M

I cant believe they got gamefreak to develop the open world driving segments

>>720676165
Zero Mission yes, fusion fuck no

>>720672974
>still no response
Prime 4 is a return to form, we traded in jumping up repeating platforms of similar looking areas for a vast world where we can speed through it. Best of both worlds, an actual successor to the original, the next entry in Prime, and the speed fidelity of Super returns.

>>720644304 (OP)
>Bandai Singapore

Got your preorder yet?

>>720676096
*best designed dungeon in the series and franchise is what I meant to say.
Don't you go dissing paraglider, it replaces the mediocre roll Ocarina of Time had.

>>720674429
Is that why it's one of the top selling games on Amazon as we speak?

>>720673694
>Open slop is the future of video games, stay mad.
Thats bad thing

>>720669486
kjek

>>720676151
>More modern Metroids like to charade about being open but are extremely linear anyways.
100%

>>720674116
Who asked you?

>>720675810
No, you're just a retard trying to pretend like you said something other than you just don't want to play metroid. Faggot.

>>720676378
both botw and totk would just straight up be better games if you just deleted the paraglider.

Don't show this to nintendeen

>>720675978
If you do not place the original game, super, and fusion high up, then you are a Fake. Let me guess faker, you put Prime 1 really high up, you say things like it was Super in 3D.

>>720666064
In what way?
Would they not just be functionally the same as a traditional elevator found in prime 1/2?

>>720674529
>u mad
Low iq moment

>>720676545
LOW IQ ALERT!!!!

>>720676585
>this means they are good
Kys

>>720674814
This so cool

fusion is more metroid than the prime series

>>720676559
to climb down mountains? to remove traversal methods? what could possibly be your reasonings.

>>720676585
oh shit physical pre-orders are up

I'm glad this still comes out for Switch 1.
I'm going to emulate the game at Switch 2 quality.

>>720650757
How do you know it's in the center of the map. The entire desert expanse could be off to the side with the rest of the areas closely interconnected

Nintendo is dead

>>720676473
Yeah. I'm not as angry at a game for being different as long as it's honest about what it is and doesn't provide a dilluted, confused experience, rather playing to its strenghts from the word go.

Pic related > Ratchet 2

>>720676695
So much for that Switch 2 boycott, eh?

>>720676695
Nintendeen take your own advice

>>720674929
Those faggots defend Fusion as if their lives depended on it. Glad I started Metroid with the first game in the series.
>Then why are you in a Prime thread?
Because it's a Metroid game and I've played Prime games too.

>>720676645
while the elevators were functionally teleporters, their place in the world and relative distance from other elevators was still chosen to be kind of consistent as if they really were elevator shaft. literal teleporters can just be placed anyway and you no longer need to take their position into consideration which makes them weaker tools for drawing the player into the world.

>>720676825
>my outrage slop tuber told me when I gave him a superchat donation!!

>>720675701
What atmosphere, Samus crawling in a corner and crying like a little baby?

>>720674279
All videos games are slop. The world is a slop. Sloppy slop slop slopperson

>>720676616
Prime 1 is very good, and it is akin to super, yes (though prime 2 is better). Fusion isn't a good metroid game, it's a very bad one that abandoned what made the series good to begin with

>>720676815
because I'm not blind and looked at the sky boxes where the spires, big tree and ridges of the ice mountain were never even in the same view with each other which means presumably they're on opposite ends of the desert etc.

>>720675821
>Super is a person's first Metroid
>Fusion sits right next to it as the best Metroid game
Every fucking time

>>720676980
>le slop

>>720644304 (OP)
that's not what bandai singapore is making

Honest question: those people that use the word "slop" like some kind of spiritual weapon what do they look like?

>>720677173
yea no shit, but they were making prime 4 before it got canned and development restarted with retro. retard.

>>720676616
>you're a fake fan for not putting an exploration-less other-M tier linear narrative driven metroid game at the top

>>720677273
metroid prime has always been made by retro. why would bandai singapore ever have been on it

>>720677410
metroid has jumped devs beforehand, 2D metroid isn't even first party anymore

>>720675701
>>720677008
Dread has kinda subpar atmosphere but Other M's makes it look like a fucking Silent Hill. Holy shit is Other M completely devoid of everything that makes this franchise good. It fails at everything.

>>720677410
When first announced, Nintendo went with a different developer.

They switched back to Retro after the development restart and apology video.

>>720677410
Are you retarded or something?
Metroid Prime 4 was originally developed by Bamco Singapore, why are you responding like I'm talking about some hypothetical scenario when I'm just telling you the history of the game's development? Why did Nintendo give Prime 4 to Bamco Singapore originally? Idk, maybe cause Nintendo is fucking dumb?

>>720677451
>2D metroid isn't even first party anymore
Never was, most of the time, it was developed by Intelligent Systems.

>>720645685
Really sucks because the first trailer was just
>it's more prime and that's it
Which was peak.
Horrified these bike sections will be awful. If you're just gonna do MP3 hallway simulator again, don;t attach it to the ends of a worthless void.

>>720677572
what?

>>720677608
First three games were co-developed by Nintendo and Intelligent Systems. They also assisted with Fusion and Zero Mission as well.

>>720676353
i preordered the sylux one. no telling how hard it'll be to find. the samus ones will be out for long enough to get by the time the game comes out

>>720677572
This is an ambiguous take because IS is basically ball and chained to Nintendo in the same way Monolith soft now is. You do not have an Intelligent Systems game without Nintendo's brand on it.

Are physical preorders open at gamestop yet?

>>720677781
IS had minor input, the primary devs were SPD1, an internal nintendo group

>>720672974
The way in which NEStroid, and the way in which breath of the wild are open are opposite sides of a horseshoe, IMO
They both arrive at the same metric of the game being "open" but they do it in opposing ways.
Breath of the wild is open in the way that you can quite literally go anywhere you want. There are no gates beyond extremely minor ones like needing the disguise to get into gerudo town. Elder scrolls games are open in this way too.
Map design here is about designing an interesting and living world you can pick any direction in head that way.
NESTroid on the other hand is open in the sense that it puts you in the game and doesnt really tell you where to go. You can explore and find stuff on your own.
Metroid is open for exploration but its gated frequently. You need high jump boots to get to any areas that have high ledges. You need morph ball bombs to get through long tunnels with bombable rocks. You can explore at your leisure, but as you explore you will progressively be gated out of paths until you eventually come across a power up which will open some of those gates. Map design is also labyrinthine and claustrophobic instead of open and broad in the way that BotW is.

>>720677953
>This is an ambiguous take because IS is basically ball and chained to Nintendo in the same way Monolith soft now is.
wrong, monolith is fully first party, IS can develop for non-nintendo games like gamefreak does but they can't use nintendo's IPs if they release on non-nintendo systems

Can somebody tell me what Nintendo actually wants with Metroid? Why hasn't it been killed/shelves forever like Star Fox and Fzero? Do they believe it has potential to be turned into a million seller? But then why do they never give it the funds and attention to match that vision? Why don't they let Nintendo EPD develop the next Prime game and get some actual new ideas in there while keeping the core of metroid? Could it simply be because the term "Metroidvania" is ubiquitous and therefore they believe that everyone is a potential Metroid Player?

>>720678097
>can develop
>an unironic 40 years of being a developer and not a single game outside a Nintendo console, barring the approved FEH (a nintendo IP).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_Systems
O-okay.

>>720677953
They still don't own them though, and have made games not published by Nintendo in the past.

>>720678004
It was collaborating, they had devs literally programming Fusion and Zero Mission. Series switched from Intelligent Systems to Team Ninja to MercurySteam with a main team leading the development in co-development which went by different names due to restructuring but mainly the same people; R&D1 who became SPD1 who then became EPD7.

>>720678262
well, they can, doesn't mean they will

monolithsoft cannot

>>720678171
every main prime game and non-remake 2D metroid game has sold over a million. Prime hunters and prime remaster also sold over a million

>>720676294
Prime 4 looks good to me but I think huge vertical segments would be much cooler in 3D than huge horizontal segments.

>>720678171
Very simple, Japan hates Metroid and Nintendo develops for Japan first.
Which leaves them in an awkward scenario because the West LOVES Metroid.

>>720678171
2D games just new 2D Metroidvania adventures starring Samus. For Prime, I guess just more Prime games with a different gimmick? 2D Metroid gives them their Metroidvania, Prime gives them their FPS game?

>>720678384
wrong, IS was a support studio while SPD1 were the main devs. Team ninja and mercury steam are the primary developers on other M and SR/dread respectively, there's barely anyone from EPD6 (one of SPD1's successor groups) on those games.

>>720676919
maybe in an abstract narrative sense, it doesnt give you the same sense of scale as physically moving there on an elevator. When physically designing the game map however, the devs would naturally know that they are region entrances/exits, and that they need to be positioned accordingly.

>>720678649
Prime gives them 3D entries of one of their historic franchises, it also gets them a first party developed metroid franchise

>>720678651
It was still a co-development despite the teams being smaller. Also, for Samus Returns and Dread, along with the shitter, Other M, it's still Nintendo's game, they're the ones leading it, Team Ninja and MercurySteam only mostly developed it but with Nintendo's guidance on gameplay and art with Nintendo contributing more to Dread's gameplay which is where the improvements came from and making sure the art of SR and Dread were on point.

>>720678912
that's true but it doesn't change the fact that TN and MS were the primary devs while IS was not

>>720679013
Point taken

>>720644304 (OP)
Kenshi looks better than this. How?

>>720678627
>Nintendo develops for Japan first.
Not anymore. Look at what they did to Fire Emblem

>>720679271
Yes, I'm looking at FEH and seeing it designed for the japanese space.

The sticking point is just how it's incorporated into the game. If it's a sprawling game hub that connects everything and the game never fully departs from, then yeah, it's ruined.

>>720678627
>Nintendo develops for Japan first.
clearly not considering it was miyamoto who mandated prime be first person back in 2000

>>720679442
The best game in the series has a similar design layout so I don't mind it

>>720679531
That's not super

>>720679271
Nintendo is as woke as Valve, meaning they're barely woke at all, unlike those globalist shitheads named Sony and Microsoft.

>>720679676
super is second but it's no echoes

>>720653937
I really want to see it.

>>720679676
NES is the best
>>720679696
How you can be an American patriot or a White nationalist and support anything but Xbox is beyond me. If you want to go full chud Nintendo and Sony are chinkshit made by slants.

I only play retro arcade now and I'm not into politics so I don't have a dog in this fight. My favorite consoles are the ps2 and Sega saturn

>>720679531
How can it be the best if it's not even a real metroid game?

>>720679980
>How you can be an American patriot or a White nationalist and support anything but Xbox is beyond me
Go fuck yourself, tranny. Xbox and Microsoft as a whole are very anti-American. I support real American companies like Valve and Nippon companies like Nintendo. Global trash belongs in the trash when they don't care about their own birth nation.

>>720680168
>a real metroid game
Like what, Federation Force, Other M, and Metroid Prime Pinball?

>>720651565
for the 120 fps, retard.

>>720680315
>Xbox and Microsoft as a whole are very anti-American.
Literally how? They are quintessentially American entities. Bill Gates is a white nationalist and an American patriot. Microsoft owns Call of Duty which is aggressive American propaganda, and Halo which is an allegory about western christian values. Just because they believe in the White Man's Burden instead of stormfag shit doesn't mean they're anti-american. Your understanding on this topic is very crass and crude. You sound like you have missing teeth and you're posting from a trailer park.

>>720678013
>The way in which NEStroid, and the way in which breath of the wild are open are opposite sides of a horseshoe, IMO
then you have the wrong opinion, those games are EXACTLY the same concept. If you explore and do other things than the main objective you can become more powerful and make the experience a bit easier on yourself. Same thing.

I really doubt it's full open it's probably just a couple bike fields and maybe one or two vehicle chases

>>720680343
Prime games are not real Metroid games

>>720680854
It's not the same at all. The NES games always put limitations on the player. They make the player draw his own map and they punish the player for dying and reward him for progressing through the game. Nu-nintendo gives you unlimited lives and cheat code options that allow the player to bypass any obstacle without using thought or skill.

>>720681159
Prime games (specifically 1 and 2) are the only real metroids post-super

>>720678171
>Can somebody tell me what Nintendo actually wants with Metroid?
They want a franchise for "grown ups"
>Why hasn't it been killed/shelves forever like Star Fox and Fzero?
Because Metroidvania gameplay makes it easy to make more sequels with innovative elements compared to Star Fox or FZero where it is very difficult to innovate due to the on-rails gameplay.
>Do they believe it has potential to be turned into a million seller?
It already is
>But then why do they never give it the funds and attention to match that vision?
Because it doesn't sell as much as Mario or Zelda
>Why don't they let Nintendo EPD develop the next Prime game and get some actual new ideas in there while keeping the core of metroid?
Because they have limited teams and are already working on IPs that sell better. Perhaps when they build the new building in 2028, they'll have more employees and space, and will be able to have an in-house team for Metroid.
>Could it simply be because the term "Metroidvania" is ubiquitous and therefore they believe that everyone is a potential Metroid Player?
Maybe the Metroidvania genre becoming popular helped to revive the franchise. Maybe Nintendo regrets not making morem2D games between Fusion and Samus Returns, since a lot of indie games were created to fill that niche, and made the market oversaturated

>>720681159
>>720681206
Metroid for the NES is the only real metroid. The save function and the in-game map trivialize metroid and turn it into a walking sim.

>>720681201
That stuff is negligible to what I'm talking about. From a central design standpoint they're both about a goal achievable from the start, and powering up to make it easier to come to fruition. They both can favor speedruns by design. Maps or reloading a save, besides the point.

>>720681338
Prime level design is so bad that it would be impossible to deduce you need to leave the level and travel all the way across the overworld on multiple occasions for a dumbfuck ability upgrade before returning; without the hint system.

>>720681253
>Because Metroidvania gameplay makes it easy to make more sequels with innovative elements compared to Star Fox or FZero where it is very difficult to innovate due to the on-rails gameplay.
The problem with Starfox and Fzero is that they don't fit within the framework of Nu-Nintendo's lobotomized toys for toddlers approach. The only logical direction to take those two franchises is the direction of the hardcore. The only way Starfox could be good again is if it becomes a Panzer Dragoon or Sin and Punishment style hardcore arcade experience, same with Fzero. Which they accomplished with AX/GX, although those were made by Sega and are inappropriate for the current post-Iwata rebranding of Nintendo

>biker Samus is canon
>fags complain

>>720680854
>If you explore and do other things than the main objective you can become more powerful and make the experience a bit easier on yourself.
No, because you're not physically gated in the same way.
In metroid you physically can't get up high ledges unless you have the high jump boots.
BotW in contrast gives you every tool you need to beat the game in the great plateau. You don't need anything else. You need to kill ridley and kraid to even get into tourian. Sequence breaking to get in early is not the same as hyrule castle being open from the beginning for whenever you wanna do it.

I can understand and am fine with the idea of samus riding a bike. It makes sense and logically she would probably have experience with a number of vehicles.
The desert just looks boring.

>>720644304 (OP)
This is Metroid? I thought it was Sonic Frontiers until I noticed the lack of rails everywhere.

>>720645685
>I officially know zero people excited for this game
Yeah because you hang out with /v/tards who hate video games

>>720681465
>From a central design standpoint they're both about a goal achievable from the start, and powering up to make it easier to come to fruition.
Ostensibly yes, but only the NES games succeed at executing this. The NES games require skill or real-world pen and paper knowledge from the player. The NES gives the player a sandbox and challenges him to build a sand castle from scratch with barely any tools. The new games give the player a plastic castle factory and the player presses a button and the castle is built automagically. And you're saying it's the same system because the image is the same, which is ridiculous.

I FUCKING HATE TOASTARENA SO MUCH IT'S UNREAL
OPEN WORLD DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SHITTY GIANT DESERT FILLED WITH NOTHING
FUCK YOU, THIS IS THE WORST GARBAGE
>dude, but you can get around on <fast vehicle> when you move from PoI to PoI

>>720680715
They and Sony are the head honchos of pushing woke propaganda, get fucked. Glad Xbox is dead and PlayStation is dying. Who would trust Microsoft after the whole Games for Windows Live, Windows Phone, and now Xbox consoles debacle?

If it wasn't a desert, what could it have been if they wanted a smooth, open area where the bike couldn't crash into anything?

>>720682581
>They and Sony are the head honchos of pushing woke propaganda, get fucked.
Imagine being too myopic to see that the woke propaganda was a falseflag designed to ignite racial consciousness in whites and make us into chuds that hate brown people. Even Reddit has gone full 1488 saying we need to gas Israel and deport all jeets and you still can't see the writing on the wall. Must be nice having 92 IQ like a nigger.

im more worried about the animations looking bad and weightless. i thought retro excelled at that kind of thing.
white men, please come back to making games holy shit

>>720682864
Whatever you say, Xtranny, enjoy your ugly man in the next Fable game if it doesn't get canned, lol.

>>720682654
>area where you can ride a vehicle
>But it's boring and safe
WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT
>ya bro i'm going to open up gm_flatgrass and just drive around in the Buggy for a bit
Exhilarating implementation of open world.

they better allow use to wear a cloak in the desert

>>720644304 (OP)
Looks better than the boring ass backtracking simulator cubie primesnoy games for the shitcube.

I'm ready for the game to release just so the disingenuous shitposting discourse will come to an end.

>Open world then: you can go in any direction, and do what you want
>There are lots of points of interest, where you're stumbling across a dungeon, fighting enemies, or discovering wandering NPCs
>Open World Now: The world is massively expanded, but filled with nothing.
>You always need a horse/bike/vehicle to traverse it, because you might miss the one (1) dungeon entrance
>but hey, there might be a collectible under this bush

>>720680343
>Metroid Prime Pinball
fuck off that one was actually decent

>>720678013
Couldn't agree more. Seriously, how can people not understand that open empty world is different than claustrophobic tunnels. Metroid is a labyrinth after all, not fucking Shadow of the Colossus. And if anyone says no because there is a lot of empty space in Metroid one, who fucking cares? That is why Metroid 1 is hot fucking garbage that no one actually plays unless you are a nostalgia fag.

Metroid Prime 3 got so much heat because of Skytown being basically completely empty. BUT BUT LOOK! YOU CAN SWING ABOVE THE CLOUDS! WOWWWWWW SO IMMERSIVE, SO BEUTIFUL!

Yea, its cool the first 2-3 times but gets stale VERY quickly. I can imagine having your ship land on a planet in a predetermined location and you are FORCED to engage with the stupid bicycle mechanics so that you can go from point to point of interest in an open, sterile, boring, landscape that does nothing but to pad out game time.

TLDR: This shit looks like hot garbage.

>>720679531
Couldn't agree more. Prime 2 has got the pacing, difficulty, and brought the backtracking up in difficulty. If it is your first metroid game, I can see that its obtuse nature may be off-putting, but that is why it is a sequel. It builds upon the original concept and enhances it.

Honestly, other than nostalgia, Prime 1 is the lesser of the two. Prime 3 doesn't count because it was released during the BIG Halo 3 craze.

>>720681793
>No,
stopped reading there

>>720686997
The big brained take is that all 3 prime games are overrated garbage. Media outlets fawned over them because they're boring walking sims with no meaningful gameplay.

>>720682142
You're missing the forest for the trees majorly friend.
>require skill or real-world pen and paper knowledge
Botw is the Same. You have a map where you put down pins and stamps. Virtual paper and pencil if you're into it. Laughable you think there's no skill involved, the same central design of you can beat the game within 30 minutes with the skill and knowledge, friend.

>>720687387
>The big brained take is that all 3 prime games are overrated garbage
it's not big brained to look at three games and make a sweeping statement.
also you're a retard.

>>720687387
I would agree with the walking sim argument if it wasn't for having to deduce where to walk based on how you needed to backtrack. All games are walking sims if you have ever greater deduction skills anyways.

>>720686997
Originally, I firmly believed prime 1 was the better of the two. However as I have played both of them more, I have come to appreciate echoes' strong points and understand why some people list it above prime.
I'd still put prime as my number 1 personally, just because I prefer prime's map design but I'd rank them alot closer now.

>>720687435
>You have a map where you put down pins and stamps.
They fill in everything for you. The DS game had you actually draw the map yourself a little bit but it was panned by critics

>>720687620
I can respect that. For me it is the Thardus fight. I want to vomit every time I have to go through that slop.

Prime 1 is only really playable on the Wii version for that reason for me. The combination of the spring ball and not having to free aim on the gamecube version makes it a good feel for me. But Thardus still sucks fat dicks.

Also while I am on my soap box. The treck from magmor caverns to Phandrana, and then back to Magmor for the jump boots puts the taste of armit in my mouth.

>>720687536
>muh sweeping even though they all have the same gameplay elements, game design, and core philosophy
You're wrong and you know it so you're reaching
>>720687539
>All games are walking sims if you have ever greater deduction skills anyways.
All RPG games are. Arcade style games that test player skill can't be described as walking sims

>>720684410
Then the genuine shitposting will begin.

samus should have had a cool hoverboard instead

>>720687860
the equivalent of getting a dungeon map is what the sheika towers do

>>720687860
>The DS game had you actually draw the map yourself a little bit but it was panned by critics
I forgot about that. What a cool idea.

>>720644304 (OP)
To be honest, if it's anything like Prime 3, I don't want it. Prime 1 and 2 are barely Metroidvanias, prime 3 is a linear fps with superhero abilities

>>720692216
Phantom hourglass was a good game and I’m tired of pretending it’s not

>>720677565
>why did leakers who lied say something!!!

>>720657546
filtered

>>720693152
No it wasn't. Returning to that same dungeon 10 times fucking sucked

>>720644304 (OP)
you can only imagine how bad the first version must have been when they release shovelware like pokemon sv and mario kart world

>>720645685
im with you, it was the only game i was interested in

BOTW mandate game

>>720645685
I just dint like that the bikes look like the bugs from a recent fortnight event
Rolly pollys for getting around

>>720645685
Yea. My hype is dead. Such a bad direction

Throughout the Switch years I clung to Nintendo as the only company releasing a lot of games that made me feel anything, even if they were quite flawed and a noticeable step down. Now I'm not even sure if the next Zelda will be worth playing. Grim.

>>720693981
I thought that was Spirit Tracks?

>>720692937
>with superhero abilities
I wish. Hypermode is basically required to kill anything.
It's not a super mode, just a "if you want to kill literally fucking anything, you need to expend at least half your current Energy Tank" mechanic.
Prime 3's hardest difficulty is legitimately the least pleasant Metroid.

I hope the bike isn't as intrusive to the game as the batmobile was in arkham knight

>>720651096
They seem to be connected by portals or something based on what we saw in the trailer. In MP1 and MP2 they are connected by elevators and not necessarily close to eachother or intertwined. Depending on how the map works there could still be a lot of going in and out of areas from other areas without using the bike. I'm guessing you can't use the bike within those areas. Maybe part of the game is like a labyrinth and another part is big and open. We shall see.

>>720666064
But elevators do?

Here's a crude sketch of how the map looks based on the background of the trailer. The desert appears to be adjacent to the areas, not in the middle of them. The arrows are an example of how the areas could be connected to eachother through portals to make a labyrinth while also being connected to the desert area.

>>720644304 (OP)
Tendies are actually defending this slop...

>>720644304 (OP)
>open world sloppa in Metroid
it's fucking Grover dude
it's Super Grover

>>720650168
Oh hey, a Warframe player, has DE released anything new since the last nothingburger update?

>>720657185
good bait, nearly got me

>>720665745
As a (former) hardcore Zelda fan, open world does not suit the IP, something akin to Dark Souls style hubs with multiple branching paths stemming from said hub is the better choice for 3D adventure titles - you get some free form player progression, while still benefiting from deliberately designed levels and set pieces.

>>720703421
Hopefully, that's the next direction they go after open world era is finished. I kind of feel like it's already finished. They're going to have to do everything from scratch again if it's open world again and you know how long that would take.

How did Samus attain psychic abilities? Did she get the Tetsuo treatment? Hadji?

>>720703676
Indians that have infiltrated modern Retro decided that Samus needs to be Indian psychic coded.
She just is now

>>720703676
She learned the TRI-BEAM HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

>>720644304 (OP)
Which developer should they have given it to? I think the only dev on earth who could have made an interesting prime game was arkane.

>>720701364
Its absolutely retarded that they didn't make it a bunch of floating islands with an airship you pilot between them.

>mad max but future simulator
kino

>>720645685
this but smash brawl nearly 20 years ago

>>720658592
what happened to lighting?

>>720647162
kope, M.P games werent ever that good to begin with, aside from arguably MP1
MP2 is pretty boring, bland visuals and the gameplay is hyper backtrack-y. Sure you can circumvent a lot of it but no one would know how to do it on a first playthrough as it requires jank platfroming shit to do it, its too interested in weirdly boring cinematics and pace breakers, only to then go "explore it all again but this time purple"
MP3 is just bad 80% of the time and has absolutely no thought put into the balance or pace, clearly rushed out. Sure getting your 205th missile is rather meaningless in any metroid game, but prime 3 takes the cake for meaningless upgrades.
though I do like how they did the end game unlockable thing with the keys, they should do that again in prime 4 but put the "ship" somewhere you can access early on and keep coming back to

>>720644304 (OP)
Do you think breath of the wild would have reviewed as positively if people knew that it was going to make every single game that came after it shit?

>>720707871
TOTK would have been perfectly fine if they didn't re-use the map. They should have just spent a few more years on it and made it a switch 2 game.

>>720693260
idk why you're pretending to be retarded, Nintendo themselves said the developer is bamco and then later that they restarted development under retro

>>720645685
>Non-linear gameplay underground
:D
>Non-linear gameplay above ground
:(

>>720645685
I don't know how anyone has any hope left for anything Nintendo does. It's clear they're just a hack shell of their former selves who're both incompetent and don't give a shit. They'll just do whatever they think maximizes profit while running everything into the dirt.

>>720710782
its not about being above/below ground
Its about the fact that one way involves platforming, and the other involves moving in a straight line in an empty, ugly environment

I will now buy your game

Always hated Metroidfags, one of the most insufferable fanbases with a massive victim complex. Literally anything ever is treated as the end of the world. Gonna buy this both because I like the bike and I figure it'll be a good game, and to spite Metroidfags.

>>720644304 (OP)
Can we all just stop pretending Nintendo makes good games anymore? I am so tired of people still excusing everything Nintendo does by pretending they're still in their golden age 20+ years ago. Their games these days are trash and they act like total pieces of shit. There is nothing redeemable about this corporation anymore.

>>720650757
You are shitting yourself with nonsense.

Metroidbros, we should just give in to HKsissies, Metroid Prime is one of my all time GOATs and I still love Fusion and Dread but Hollow Knight combines everything I love about Metroid combined with Fromsoft games, we can't compete anymore.

>>720709069
>idk why you're pretending to be retarded, Nintendo themselves said the developer is bamco
No they didn't.

>>720712408
I want to add that I also bought Federation Force and Other M to spite Metroidfags years ago, though I had no intention of playing those games. Just spur of the moment cheap "fuck you" purchases.

Didn't buy Prime Trilogy or Dread, probably great games, but I didn't want to become a Metroidfag.

>>720651371
>>720652827
>is wrong, says something retarded
>gets called out
>doubles down
>gets called out again
>"uh, you lack reading comprehension"
every. time.

>>720676815
you can CLEARLY fucking see, in the trailer, several areas are IN the desert, that is clearly the framing of the 'middle' of this world.
The lightning storm towers to the left, the jungle/tree/oasis area in the middle, mountains to the right, temple area in the back.
Not only can we literally see how a good amount of this world is layed out.. .come on man use your fucking dumb peabrained head, OF COURSE the desert is the main zone and isnt just off to the side somewhere.
Just using old time logic, we can assume with damn near guarantee that the world is a load of "zones" scattered haphazardly in a desert and the bike is your method of reaching them, aka, a whole lot of time wasting travel.

even so, like I said, you can see four major areas, most of which have been shown in trailers as the 1st person areas of the game, within that desert
So we get no interconnectivity, a lame, boring brown desert as our loading screen, and some aesthitically bizarre environments like a jungle just... blobbed into the middle of some sand.

>>720644304 (OP)
Remember when Metroid used to be based on Aliens(sci-fi horror) and had the same tone, instead of having a different (action adventure) tone with sunny skies?
Pepperidge farm remembers.

>>720651454
The combat portions, maybe.
The bike was 30fps, anon.
its called;
V A R I A B L E F R A M E R A T E
you midwit.

>>720714721
Nintendo literally can't make a franchise that's not kiddy friendly anymore.
Don't expect anything like Sin & Punishment or old Metroids.

>>720653868
>you can see pretty much the whole desert from the storm towers, the giant tree, and the ice mountains
>nothing in between
>oh but one fucking tiny building and a few lame enemies means its NOT EMPTY guys

wow, such an amazing experience, I sure do feel silly for saying this is yet more open world slop, cant wait to slowly one shot some mooks with missiles and ride into some enemies to one shot them, all the while totally not being annoyed the totally not lame waste of time hours of travel keep being made inefficient by having to dodge purple balls
nope, not at all, great game.

>>720714819
This meme is now 100% true.

>>720645685
>I am BEYOND fucking pissed that this is the direction the game is going. Literal worst case scenario. All of the normal first person stuff looks “fine” but this retarded open world/zone bike shit is awful. The second and third trailers basically killed all remaining hype. I officially know zero people excited for this game. You can only blame so much on the marketing before reality sets in. Of all the games I ever looked forward to, this might be the biggest heartbreak.

>>720658430
>any game that forces you to listen to dogshit tutorialized dialogue is a bad game
YOU need it, because YOU are so bad at games if they dont you wont understand what to do, will get stuck in under 5 minutes, need to look up a guide, then give the game a bad score because your ego is too fragile to admit you sucked.
YOU cant even be trusted to read whats on screen, let alone figure it out yourself, so they are forced to make you do it like a baby, because you are a baby.

>>720707825
>M.P games werent ever that good to begin with
Great, than you can stop pretending to be an outraged fan, dumb s0nygger.

>>720675810
>your iq is literally too low to even understand my larp
We understand it, it just isn’t working.

>>720659645
makes sense, it would explain why theres a fucking lush tree in the middle of a desert, the tree is in the past, or future, or whatever.
its in a time bubble.

or if its not time, its a dimensional thing, with different dimensions being put there.
if you go look at the trailers and skyboxes, it does seem to suggest you are in contained bubbles.

whether or not the desert will update over time to reflect this, I dont know, but I hope so.

>>720675701
>t.

So, they took metroid and thought "you know what made no more heroes 3 so popular? YEAH, lets bring back the massive mostly empty world and a bike!"

I just wanted to be able to fly the ship between planets, MP3 already had some cool ideas for the ship that never came to fruition, why couldnt they copy ratchet and clank or no mans sky (also known as PS2s Haven) and let us upgrade our ship for space combat and exploration instead of a F U C K I N G D E S E R T

>>720678171
>STOP MAKING METROID GAMES DAMMIT YOURE MAKING ME MAD!!!!!!!

>>720715080
Reddit post

Would you have still bought this in 2017 if you knew the tradeoff would be that every future Nintendo title would become low effort open world slop?

>>720673957
>>720674429
>>720674386

>>720673378
>Breath of the Wild looked interesting and the open world had life in it,
and yet when you want to speak badly about it, like when it came out or in any zelda thread, you say
"its not interesting, its barren and empty with the same copy pasted enemy camps everywhere"

>n-not all the same perso-
then you are retarded for thinking BOTW is "had life"

>>720674386
>place both my testicles in your mouth
okay
>Bites down
>"n-NO NOT LIKE THAT!!!!!"
nigger.

>>720674090
>one of the coolest things about the prime games was immersion via first person view of how samus sees the world
>add in 3rd person view driving section
what is a morph ball?

>>720715646
I never said anything bad about Breath of the Wild. I was hyped about that game since it was originally announced for the Wii U. I'm happy the Wii U fell so the Switch could fly.

>>720676830
>people only started saying this after pic related told them to.

Sadly the bike seems like a gimmick they decided to go with.
The bad thing with these gimmicks is that they are going to hamfist it into many parts of the game.
There is no saving it.

>>720715204
kek, still love these

>>720673378
>Breath of the Wild looked interesting and the open world had life in it
Than why we’re you repeatedly sayi the opposite of this when it came out?

Eric you got gaped and lost

>>720712408
Gigabased

Hoping to jesus that this will be leaked 2 weeks before the release date and some emulator will be able to play it

It's not even a cool looking motorcycle.

Remember when the cope was that it was going to be delayed? Now it's whatever this is. Good times.

To be honest it's probably going to be more of the same. People that think it's going to be something groundbreaking because it took a while don't understand the difference between this and something like silksong. It took long because it died and restarted 2 separate times.

>>720644304 (OP)
How does open world translate to the vania genre?