Thread 720646862

How would you make them balanced?

they already are balanced. Stop being a protoss fanboy.

why do they wiggle so much

>>720647113
>1 shots your 3/3 control of marine/medics
>>720646862 (OP)
Reduce their energy intake by 25% from all sources or like some artosis fans suggested, i think it's extreme, make the cheeto cloud less powerful (just 90-95% of Dodge)

>>720648054
the millions of tiny insects and cancer cells continually growing inbetween their chitin plates makes them itchy

We balance by making the other casters overpowered too.
I'm thinking giving High Templars an ability that does 112 damage in an area over 3 seconds

I'm playing starcraft for the first time and I like making mutalisk blobs in the campaign and killing everything with them

balanced since 2001

Stop playing BW. The original release is almost fine except Zerg lack good ground units. Although
>reslop pic in OP
means it's probably wasted on you.

>>720646862 (OP)
You need to place it right around here because the head is so heavy.

>>720646862 (OP)
>WHAT DO YOU MEEEEAAAANNNN I CAN'T JUST THROW MARINE MEDIVAC AT EVERYTHING AIIIIEEEEEE HUSKY STARCRAFT HELP MEEEEE

zergtards will seriously defend a unit being able to stop a 200/200 army in its tracks by itself forever

>>720647113
No RTS faction should be completely dependent on one single unit to win. That's why Defiler, Siege Tank and High Templar are op

>>720649260
Terrancucks will forever seethe that they're too trash to use EMP and Irradiate.

I can't be the only one who thinks the AI in StarCraft cheats a shitton

>>720649260
Protos players gets so mad when they can't just A-move once and then turn off their brain

>>720649260
>Science Vessels delete ANY zerg unit in existence except 1 with 75 mana
>High Templars delete groups of zerg units with 75 mana
>"HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO COUNTER FUCKING DEFILERS"

>>720649260
meanwhile tossfags can win a game with a building
not even a single army unit needs to be made just a fucking building = win

starcraft constantly makes references to zerg being able to produce tiny insects, but what do those insects look like and what do they do? Pokemon does the same thing, does this imply there are tiny ass zerg/pokemon or that they are just commanding real insects?

>>720650024
which building?

>make remaster
>improve the graphics
>do not improve the gameplay, still only able to select 12 units at once, map pathfinding still terrible
FUCK GOOKS, THEY RUINED IT WITH THEIR AUTISM ESPORT SHIT

>>720649682
so much this
Science Vessels are OP as fuck
defiler plague is easy to see coming
EMP? good luck dodging that because the damage is INSTANT holy shit all that shield goes POOF
also defensive matrix negates thousands of damage with a single use
jesus christ terranies

>>720650610
methinks there is a skill issue

>>720650610
Simply hotkey 45 different groups and commit all the hotkeys to extreme memory.

>>720650610
og and remaster can play together online. changing those things would have split the already dwindled online community

>>720649682
>just separate the irradiated unit the irradiate ratio is small as fuck gratz you wasted 75 mana to kill a zergling or a muta or a drone
>just move away and don't clump gratz you wasted 75 mana for nothing
>instant 1/3 screen area undodgeable dot bomb that drains 100% of your medic's mana to heal a bit or enptues one of your health bars completely
Yeah such comparable spells

>>720650572
cannon

>>720650572
the stationary goon

just remove consume.
you can even lower the energy costs if you want for compensation

>>720650976
or tosstards could grow a brain and learn to use feedback against defilers or even mind control them to have your own defilers or bait out plagues with a hallucinated army
god tosstards are retarded

>>720650876
Oh I forgot defiler can just eat a ling or 2 and do it again meanwhile your HTs are worthless afterwards.

>>720651135
Simply kill the defiler with scouts.

>>720651135
HTs merge into archons which hard counter plague
try again sub 2000 mmr noob

>>720649424
EMP isn't instant. At least Irradiate is good.

>>720650610
>map pathfinding still terrible
Unfortunately, some units like the Dragoon and Reaver, are balanced around poor pathfinding. Its part of the game now.

>>720651259
Lmao archons suck even more than energyless HTs good luck getting a single attack off against a muta ball that 2 shots you while you need to land what, 4 attacks?

>>720651135
how archons are useless?

>>720651478
"good" is vastly understating
It's an EX-god tier spell
>easy to use
>pays for itself after ONE cast on a single high value target
>no counterplay, impossible for high value targets to avoid it
Only other spell like it is broodling but Queens are so situational meanwhile vessels can carry any fight, game, or matchup

>>720651860
Slower and have less range than mutas.

>>720651727
>mutas in PvZ
I should be assumed that the protoss has more than a few corsairs

>>720651881
Spawn Broodlings doesn't work against air units too. Ensnare is generally better if anything.

>>720651952
Why would Z*rg make any other unit regardless of matchup?

>>720651259
>Shields don't apply to concussive and explosive damage types
>You just eat the full damage

This is a stealth ASL hype thread for tomorrow right?
FUCK I AM SO EXCITED
LETS GO SNOW
LETS GO JAEDONG
LETS GO MINI
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>720652073
You're kind of showing your inexperience by asking that. Meta in PvZ is for the protoss to try to supply block the zerg player by picking off overlords using corsairs. Mutas get melted by corsairs.

>irradiate is garbage
>irradiate is op
>just use feedback
>archons are garbage
>just use scouts

how does such a small thread have so much bait

>>720652320
only two of those are bait and they both contain the bait word "garbage"
those are probably your baits too

>>720648791
That is, unironically, the best strategy in the game.
That is the entire reason that the other races got some specific new units in Brood War - countering mutalisk spam.
It was so busted that the meta was based around finding things that could contend with mutalisks.

Have fun with it, Anon!

>Terran can just double irradiate each other science vessel and delete zerg mineral line
>Protoss can just shuttle and one storm to delete mineral line
>Zerg.....?

>>720650225
What's happening here?

>>720646862 (OP)
I wish umbrella corporation existed IRL so we could get BOWs like defilers and we can visit them in the zoo... pet the wigglers!

>>720652565
A couple of upgraded zerglings can kill an entire base in a few seconds

>>720652320
Irradiate is garbage. It pays for itself by killing one unit is ridiculous when they are expensive and slow.
>>720652565
If you actually let 2 science vessels get anywhere close to your base you are an idiot that deserves it.

>>720652565
>>Zerg.....?
can get a swarm of mutas that are by default faster and better and available earlier than those other two techs.

>>720648791
Yeah your first run through campaign is fun massing 1 or 2 units like carriers/battlecruisers and steamrolling
Later playthroughs it's fun to copy what the pros in ASL do by using spells and tactics like reaver/shuttle, muta micro, advancing floating buildings with tanks

>>720652820
I maek tank, I maek marine. Simple life.

>>720652271
>corsairs
Lmao zerg can get to muta before you even start warping in your first stargate.

>>720653004
Bisu solved this issue over a decade ago slowbro

>>720650610
Play Mass Recall if it bothers you.

>>720653004
We're talking about a late game scenario where you merge HTs that are out of energy. What the fuck does that have to do with early game tech rush?

>>720653117
*loses to soulkey*
That gook single-handedly revealed that zerg is the most brain dead race. Sure they CAN be defeated, but all Soulkey had to do to win 4 asls CONSECUTIVELY was avoid ZvZ as much as he possibly could.
>b-but muh flash
Flash did amazingly playing random, he was better than soulkey. Zerg is just the easiest race at competitive levels.
>b-but protoss maek dragoo-
Protoss is SIMPLER to stomp low elo scrubs with on ladder. Every time a pro terran/protoss plays a pro zerg it's "alright how's this guy gonna deal with the faggot fucking defilers?"

>>720646862 (OP)
They're there to counter how OP Terran is. Protoss counter to how OP Terran is are carriers but they cost too much and take too long to build so rarely there's any wins with that.

>>720653219
haha vessel goes shhsrhrhhrhrhrhrhrh

>>720653389
>Terran is OP
If the game were played by supercomputers with unlimited APM, they would be.
>take too long to build so rarely there's any wins with that.
Most TvPs were getting won by carriers a few seasons ago and they still win most games they show up in in ASL

>>720653389
Terran is only OP if the player is good. Terrans army folds like paper when moving/out of position. It's stupidly strong when it's hunkered in a location.

>>720648054
actual answer, it's because it was originally inteded to be a flying unit. Only flying units have idle animations, but then it got turned into a ground unit.

>>720653389
Terran is only good if played by someone that's not stimming at the sight of a red dot in the minimap the amount of times I saw a Terran army self-destruct by a guy microing 2 units in and out of range I swear.

>>720653642
>flying defilers
horrifying

>>720653535
Have you actually played the game? Good terran players even at lower levels are annoying. Honestly it's why I stopped playing the game. Playing vs Protoss was actually fun. Everything about Terran is tedious. They got endless cheese, they got super strong ranged units, endless BS abilities etc.

I bet you are also crying about Destroyers from wc3

>>720653767
>nigger zerg player can't figure out how to put a lurker under dark swarm
You definitely belong at lower levels.

>>720652138
Now that Soulkey is out, is it finally time for Snow to win?
Though he did job to Best last season.
PLEASE, god of Starcraft, let a Protoss win
The only non-protoss I will accept as a champion is Jaedong. For the nostalgia.

>>720653767
At lower levels I can see why they are hard because if you don't attempt to have map presence then when a Terran sieges your base it's GG. If you make them afraid to go out and constantly poke their moving army to make them siege you can really slow them down.

>>720648421
oh no! a tier 3 expensive caster unit is stopping a tier 1.5 comp!? INSANE, NERF THIS

>>720654083
Man Mini's relatively recent win was so fun to watch, people talk about snow but Mini is the most entertaining protoss player. Constant optimized attempted throat cuts.

>>720653767
This. terranies are the most bitch ass race
>haha i wall off now im building IM BUIIIIILDING
>come out? yes when im done BUIIIILDING
>haha I harass with OP vultures and dropship play while my base is perfectly DEFENDED HURRRRR

>>720654181
Humanity always wins baby!
Fuck off smelly bugs
Fuck off techno-hippies

>>720654148
Mini is almost Snow's level, but I think he is too inconsistent
I think it was his matches from the round of 24, his wins were razon edge when they didnt need to be
When he is in top form, he slaps hard, but I don't think he can keep up enough to win a tourney.

>>720654181
Terran players could have an instant win button kinda like protoss :^) and they would still complain

>>720654181
>terran walls off
>p/z go up to 4 bases
>terran move out
>p/z grind any movement to a half with reavers shuttle/muta
>terran vulture harasses or drops
>p/z leave 2 goons at a base/make 1 sunken or actually use their observers and overlords to scout the dropship

>>720646862 (OP)
Fuck off with this.
Balance is what ruined the series...along with whatever BS SCII presented in lore and with the equally BS story.

>>720653219
>humph, I am le HIGH TEMPLAR, I can annihilate legions of you insects with just one psionic st--- no no NOO YOU CAN'T JUST SNIPE ME WITH AN IMPREGNATING PARASITE THAT INSTANTLY EATS ME FROM THE INSIDE AND SPAWNS BROODLINGS FROM MY FLES-ACK

>>720654045
Getting to hive when Terran can do so much cheese is not easy, man. Even the pro zergs says some of those rushes are OP and that you NEED to be a pro to even come out ahead. Losing drones early vs marine rushes kills you way easier in the mid game so there's no chance you'll reach the late game. You can build sunks but sunks do nothing vs tanks.

>>720654363
the fucking fact that you can one shot fenix with a queen in that one mission is and will always be hilarious

>>720646862 (OP)
by playing an actually good RTS
BAR > SC2
WC3 gets a pass because of the way its hero system keeps the game fresh, SC is just gook APM slop

>>720654435
and Duke in the siege tank

>>720654375
>Getting to hive when Terran can do so much cheese is not easy, man.
People who are good at the game don't have that problem. Tournaments and high level stream TvZ all depend on whether or not the terran can somehow deal with the defiler. The majority of high level games get there.
>bitch about terran being OP because it's possible they can damage you before you get your even more OP units
>>720654316
Maybe I'm crazy but I feel like it's the opposite. Mini's playstyle is pretty consistent and the extent to which his opponents are ready for it varies. Snow has flashes of brilliance but generally can't quite keep up with the real legends. Snow's still improving, though. Mini seems like he's already peaked.

>>720654363
>>720654435
Wish Zerg could do to air units too. But the Broodlings can fly.
>>720654498
>Krogoth
The gold standard for broken unit and I love it.

>>720652576
He's been playing for fifty two hours and he still can't find which terran structure trains the defiler

>>720654375
Just countercheese every singe RTS early game is cheesing the opponent so you get to your real I win army comp I don't get why that's so weird to the startard.

>>720654958
he's not mechanically strong enough to follow a flowchart and win, and thinks t hat's the game's fault

>>720654958
zerg cheese is easy to counter. Build wall, if they rush early, build bunker near scvs and repair it, build firebats which hard counter lings.

>>720654316
Mini is really good just maybe overthinks too much sometimes instead of going auto pilot and closing out games the standard way

>>720654754
At not point in any normal game will you ever get to build a krogoth lol it has no AA guns and cannot enter deep water.

>>720655182
zerg cheese is about keeping terran in their base retard
>oooh they're walled oooooh they have a bunker
build two hatcheries nigger

>>720655278
It's still cool.

>>720655182
Great, now you delayed his build by hundreds of minerals and gas and idle worker time while you spent just a few minerals with your full economy working and developing in the background. Well done advancing your gameplan while denying your opponent's.

>>720655314
>walks out with marine medic

>>720655381
you don't seem to understand the value of larva early game

>>720655390
sounds like you didn't keep them in their base then you dumb faggot.
>picks off stray marines with mutas
>threatens ling run bys if they get too far
>cuts off reinforcements with your faster units
If you're getting repeatedly dumpstered by simple, counterable tactics, the problem is you. If you're consistently defeated by a tactic summed up in one line of green text, you're dog shit at the game.

>>720655478
if only you could build a structure that produces larva... But, no, surely you need to spend those minerals taking a new base instead.

>>720650225
>Stream down to like 700 from 2k+
Fuck him

>>720655381
If you use early larva on attacking units you'll get destroyed mid game if you don't kill the terran player, protoss/terran can wall and build workers non-stop. That's why Terran got so many BS builds, their all-ins aren't even all-ins.

>>720655478
2 larva is much cheaper than a bunker and 2 firebats while keeping an scv busy.

>>720655587
this is considering expansions, retard-kun

>>720653378
Actually soulkey proved zerg is only OP if you are a smart dude
All his championship wins are out strategizing dumb toss apes and filthy h*mans

>>720655621
guess zergs in ASL and high elo ladder are just hacking. No way they could be better than you.

>>720651127
>Feedback
Lmao

>>720655624
why would you build 2 firebats a bunker and pull an scv for 4 lings?

>>720655621
if they're building defenses and units non stop it's cutting into their tech budget. You get to expand and tech up and if they walk out you can harass and slow them down because they devoted resources to defenses.

>>720655621
>builds only drones and memelords for 15 minutes
>wonder wht he gets stomped
Ahaha faggot this is a war game.

>>720655802
Because you can't stop 4 lings with the 1 or 2 marines you might have by the time they arrive?

>>720655617
what happened? I would never watch artosis when I can just watch major proleague streams instead

>>720646862 (OP)
change Consume so it can't target Lings or Scourge

>>720655802
>why can't my 4 lings beat a much more expensive amount of stuff designed to be effective against them?

>>720655802
No one has finished an academy and built 2 firebats by the time you have 4 lings across the map you fag

>>720656046
a single marine and 2 scvs win that fight with ease? if you're bad you can always slap a bunker next to your cc?
>>720656207
read carefuly retard, its 4 lings you don't need an academy to kill 4 lings

>>720656325
exactly, then why is this nigga invoking firebats to this?

>>720656330
>lose more minerals than the lings cost wit hthe scvs not mining and the bunker cost
>when you see that, you can just turn around and keep the lings alive to stop the enemy from counterattacking
Difficult to express how dumb and gay you are

>>720656106
Endless double ai spam about eating fecies, artosis just turns it off in his head set while you have to listen.

Unironically make whatever they swarm to be considered to be high ground, combo that with actual high ground and you can still have your defiler/3-4 lurkers army ending combo, it also gives more strategy and things to work with other than 'lol range attacks no longer work' which is as lazy as it sounds.
Plague works the same on everything other than something with shields which it only does 10% damage through shields so you can't just delete half the hp off all protoss units (other than happy cloud men). If shields are broken while plagued, hp ticks down just like any other unit with no shields until the plague wears off. Mindless plague grinding isn't nearly as useful but plaguing before a fight will just be free damage. Dark swarms are still useful against Toss because dragoons are laughably bad at attacking higher ground units.
This is the most logical way to balance a defiler without making it useless or nerfing consume into oblivion.

>>720650225
does anyone else find it funny whenever tastosis keeps begging for more patreon money as if they aren't paid really well for how casual and off the cuff their commentaries are most of the time?

>>720656330
Because you don't have to fight just the threat of the 4 lings has you do things you don't want to.
Noone expects your 3 militia to win you the game in AoE2 either. Just them being around makes you waste resources and concentration.

>>720656542
People seem to like the style and they're right that they're keeping the scene alive to westerners.

>>720656421
Teh zergtard noob mentioned them first.

>>720656574
>but if the enemy can possibly defend against my early rush they MUST be op
>>720656706
kek fucking ROASTED.

>>720648791
>runs out of gas
heh, notin' personnel kid

>>720656485
what about the minerals of the 2 drones he didn't make to spawn those lings dipshit? if you're going to talk posibilities then do it consistently
>>720656574
unless the zerg is doing something retarded like a 4 pool you should have enough shit naturally to counter 4 lings arriving at your base and, as a zerg, i have to also build arround potential chesse sometimes? whats up with this way of thinking
>>720656706
not me, and yes, this zerg player is fucking retarded

>>720656538
zerg needs defilers or terrans can just A move into every zerg base
its crazy how unsieged tanks outrange "sieged" lurkers. fucking hilarious watching tanks pewpew a dark patch of ground and then some big spider jumps out and runs away

75 minerals for 3 mines and a free vulture and yet terrans will still insist they're the most oppressed race

>>720656542
The secret podcast needs to stop because tasteless has nothing to say during the actual cast. Actually insane how hard he is phoning it in this season.

I think "never held a baby tremor" was the only funny quip so far

>>720656962
as a zerg, i have to also build arround potential chesse sometimes?
the balls on you when every zerg strat is a cheese

>>720657030
the terran player dictates the pace of the entire mid and lategame and terran players still post stupid shit like this
>>720654352

>>720657030
1 ling clears 10 mines and you get 2 for 50 bucks

>>720646862 (OP)
Remove consume. I don't think you can change plague or swarm but removing consume means you have to get them out and naturally gain energy like other casters instead of getting infinite energy for free. You can buff their regen rate a little maybe idk.

>>720657201
when you get outplayed by muta 10 minutes into the game isn't a chesse artosis

>>720656962
>what about the minerals of the 2 drones he didn't make to spawn those lings dipshit
Necessary expense. You cannot just expect to build only eco until you fully saturate 2/3 bases while giving up all map control to the enemy and not be in a terrible position afterwards. That doesn't work even on games with much easier defenses like AoE2.

If I wanted to replay the campaigns for 1 and BW would it better to just pirate the old versions or get the remaster if I specifically was only going to play in the old graphics?

>>720657318
Don't remove it, just make it scale with the unit. Zergling should give 10 energy. Ultra should fill from 0.

>>720652565
>deleting mineral mines with tier 2.5 vs deleting an entire army with 3.5

Build mutas, idiot.

Nobody cares about mineral lines lategame retardo.

>>720657347
y-you have to be ragebaiting at this point
you can say the same exact thing about anything in the game, hell
>i have to pull 2 scv and make a couple of marines
>Necessary expense. you cannot hope to tech and macro up giving up all map control and not be exposed to early game agression

>>720657392
Pirate the originals why would you pay money for a 30 year old game you only care about the campaigns.

>>720657017
What even this example? If a Terran has one tank it hardly does anything other than push away low numbers of lurkers, and if you have several tanks, you 1000% should have had mutas by this point. Late game, everything under dark swarm would (roughly) have double hp, which includes lings, hydras, lurkers, and ultras. If Zergs can't do anything with double hp ultras+crack lings as DPS, you don't deserve to win.

>>720648791
I fucked around with moding and level editing with sc. Trying to balance mutas was too much effort.

>>720657392
original is free on blizzard I believe. remaster was fun to play through though

>>720656679
maybe tastosis realized they aren't going to have any commentary that can surpass let alone rival progamer streams (like Flash, Jaedong) so they might as well be as entertaining and funny as possible. Which is good for people like me who watch both ASL live and tastosis. Tastosis is more like watching a rerun episode with your buddies.
>>720657150
>podcast
That sounds dumb. What they should do is work harder and faster to get their translated cast out the next day, but only for patrons. Free version comes out two days later on YT. This gives a lot more incentive for people to join patreon. But maybe SOOP won't let them

>>720657669
Oh, not to mention that you can still plague like normal in my example, so GL continuing with your marine/firebat ball with 1hp and no medic energy against double hp zerg units.

>>720657318
okay but make storm and irradiate not affect burrowed or massive units

>>720657628
I am not. Any decent player will try to disrupt the opponent in any RTS and so you either have to counterdisrupt or defend. Yeah terrans have it easier to defend. That's half their identity. They still don't want to have to if they don't have to. You cannot be 100% passive in the game where you can stop whole armies for a whole age with a minor wood investment and you wanna be passive on Starcraft?

>>720657392
You could probably find remastered PC keys for less than $10 from key resellers. No zoomer cares about starcraft so idk why a grown adult like you wouldn't enjoy remastered graphics and 16:9 resolution for a 2025 campaign playthrough

>>720657980
terran has to be passive at the very early game and thats it, nigga, you have vultures and siege tanks for the rest of the game, the vulture is probably the single most cost effective unit in the entire game

>>720656495
He has literal non-stop voice bots saying Mario x Luigi incest porn.
He probably still makes enough money because every voice submission is a donation.

>>720658147
Yeah, and if you want to survive the midgame vultures you can't complain about 2 larva and 100 mins and 2 drones.

>playing protoss in 2025
fucking apes

>>720657318
then reavers cant make scarabs they have set amount like vulture mines
also tanks get no splash damage under swarm neither does storm

>>720658746
>reavers cant make scarabs they have set amount like vulture mines
Fair, but only if you make scarabs never fizzle and give it at least a tickle damage attack.

>>720658335
exactly, then you agree with me that the early 4 lings vs 2 scv and 2 marines is justified right?
and also that larva, since they're a limit on your early game production, are important right?

>>720659197
Of course they are but you are not stopping vultures nor siege tonks with just drones and overlords so you have to make compromises somewhere.

>>720658952
>tickle damage attack
HTs really need this, just give them tassadar's short ranged attack instead of them running (fading) away pitifully

>>720659712
Yes please I love nerfs disguised as buffs I can't wait for noobs to lose them all trying to fight with them after fucking up their storms instead of fleeing or archoning.

>>720658021
>No zoomer cares about starcraft so idk why a grown adult like you wouldn't enjoy remastered graphics and 16:9 resolution for a 2025 campaign playthrough
I'm a zoomer and played through the games as a kid and want to revisit them. I also don't like some of the remastered portraits very much

>he never made 12 Arbiters and have them shoot things like a flying Dragoon!
ngmi

>>720660853
I love Arbiters so much I kept trying to make them work but they just don't.

yeah there is no way any of the traffic in this thread is organic lol

hello my fellow anons. dae agree how epic for the win blizzard is? and dont forget to pick up the REMASTER of this 25 year old game. oh boy i sure do love playing with protoss.. those little zeelots give me a heckin wholesome chungus giglge

>>720661067
Back to twitter with you

>>720661067
tourist alert!
thanks for the bump btw I earned 0.5 minerals

I'm sorry but I just won't shill SC remaster for any less than 5 gas
I just, like, won't!
HAHAHAHAHA

>>720661067
this is a full thread of ragebait schyzo, take your meds and fuck off
plus the game is free atm

>>720657669
1 unsieged tank can kill 100 burrowed lurkers
if you don't think that's funny idk what to tell you
grow a funny bone

>>720654135
>oh no! a tier 3 expensive caster unit is invalidating 98% of a faction's unit roster!? INSANE, NERF THIS
yes, unironically

>>720652565
>zerg can just put up a few scourge and make science vessels impotent
>zerg can just put up a few scourge and make shuttles impotent
>protoss...?
>terran...?

>>720654375
>plays zerg
>accuses terran of having superior cheeses
holy shit you're bad at this game, unironically just lurk moar

>3 mines for 75 minerals
and 150 for barracks
and 200 + 100 gas for factory
and 50 + 50 for machine shop
and 100 + 100 for the actual research

>terran is op because they can get their first mine for 575 minerals + 250 gas
>meanwhile zerg gets screenwide invulnerability for 100 minerals

>>720646862 (OP)
no consume. make them earn their energy like everyone else.

>>720649398
>SCV's are OP because terran can't win without them
alright anon, whatever you say.

>>720664472
this anon failed math
grim

>>720646862 (OP)
the only op thing is completely nullifying aerial damage. that shit needs a longer cooldown than energy regen, or smaller/shorter duration

>>720663163
>marine medic is 98% of terran
kek

>>720663169
>Scourge
>he doesn't know

>>720666737
>let's just pretend tanks, vultures, goliaths, wraiths, BCs don't exist so I can jerk off to my retarded untrue headcanon on an anonymous malian nigger catching forum

>>720667159
>terran will lose a game before making proper use of their flying caster unit with a delete prompt
KEK!

Are Defiler/balance SC1 threads just pure bait threads? Are they worse than the old 'but what do they eat' threads?

>>720667326
yeah, there is nothing that will trigger a terran manlet like the word defiler

>>720667440
tosstranny falseflag
defilers only challenge cannon rushing toss brains
terrans can just irradiate and fly away

>>720664472
vulture costs 75 minerals
defiler costs 50 minerals and 150 gas + 100 minerals for energy
which one wins in a 1v1?

>>720646862 (OP)
I wouldn't. Cope.

>>720650610
Go back to LoL fucktard.

>>720668228
based, this anon is cool

>>720657392
Get the originals. They fucked up the classic graphics in the demaster somehow.

>>720646862 (OP)
Did you know Defiler is the only starcraft unit that can't I repeat CAN'T kill any unit in the game except friendlies? How is that fair?
Change Consume so it doesn't kill your own units but instead reduces them to 1hp
I mean defilers can't even defend their base from a probe assassin

>>720658241
He almost definitely makes a lot more money now from the autistic retards that spam the same Mario porn shit than he did before even though he had more viewers.

>>720668809
how long can that really last? those autistic retards will find something more fun to do by 2026
how will artosis get his viewers back?

>>720668613
i like the OG more, but let's be honest. the remake is pretty good and faithful

Don't make brood war threads
Don't bump brood war threads
I don't want these fucking schizotroons shitting up Korea time

>>720668727
good
it shouldn't be a murderbug deathmachine on top of it's current set of abilities

>>720669109
>implying

>>720668727
Observer? Medic? Overlord?

>>720668727
>Change Consume so it doesn't kill your own units but instead reduces them to 1hp
Nah change it that it also kills the defiler after it uses its next spell.

Change consume so that instead of eating units it charges your debit card

>>720669854
>defilers are OP
>he says while irradiate and maelstrom exist

>>720658746
okay sure, reavers cost as much as a vulture and move as fast in exchange. Also remove vulture auto attack since reaver has none.

>>720669973
And here we go again!
Yes dude Infest is much worse. Irradiate kills 1 unit which can be separated from the group. Maelstrom stuns. Infest drains all your life, all your medic's mana and cannot be evaded and can be spammed.

>>720648054
Imagine how they would feel wriggling in your peepee hole

>>720646862 (OP)
I would uninstall the game. Fucking gookclick garbage.

>>720671005
wtf is infest
fuck off tourist

>>720648054
To attract mates.

>>720671230
Plague, sorry.

>>720671072
skill issue

>>720649061
I
HECKIN
LOVE
SCIEEEEEENNNNNCCCEEEEEE

>>720671005
why don't you just move the medics away until plague is done? also late game mana trading efficiently for early game unit mana sounds pretty fair

>>720671490
So I just sacrifice my whole 1HP per unit army to the follow up while the zerg player eats 2 zerglings and can use it again?

>>720671490
>fair
There is nothing fair about doing potentially thousands of points of damage for 150 mana at any stage of the game.

>>720656706
>phonefag
opinion discarded

>>720671653
Just use irradiate and run away like every braindead terran
>>720671835
potentially is the key word
defilers are slow
fingers are fast
Just Split (2025)
Also irradiate can potentially kill 12 mutas
That's 1200 minerals and 1200 gas FOR 75 MANA
THAT is fair?

>>720672048
I kill one defiler
Zerg kills my army
fair.

>>720655617
>botted views
LMAO

>>720672092
Science Vessel is faster than defiler
Your army is faster than defiler
Shut up terranny

>>720672048
If you allow the irradiated mutas to remain clumped you're a noob.
Plague cannot be avoided. Affects everything, even buildings. Has almost twice the area of effect of storm. And even if you irradiate the defiler, it setill has like 5 seconds to shit all its spells before it dies.

>>720672295
Just Split (2025)
Also are you suggest irradiate should instant kill for 75 mana?
Are you insane?

>>720672543
i think it would be better if irradiate was an aoe spell that could splash on to lots of units at once but couldnt kill them outright, maybe just reduce them to 1hp

>>720672543
Just split (croatia) the unit and get away from the SVess and make 1 larva into scrouge bro it's not cost effective to use irradiate as an actual progress maker like plague is.

No one cares about Brood War fucking hell just shut up. It's an unbalanced mess.
>uhhhh but look at the faction winrates they're almost the same!!!
Yeah the winrates of rock, paper, and scissors are the same too. Fucking retard.

>>720672676
units and buildings*

>>720672780
75 mana trade for 50 minerals and 150 gas and two consumed zerglings
It's extremely fair bro

>>720672869
this.... this is advanced bait..........

>>720672676
Okay then science vessel becomes a ground unit
Also marines and siege tanks get converted to melee damage units, marines = boxers. tanks = robot boxers. They go punch punch punch instead of pew pew pew

>>720653378
Soulkey is already out, and at the earliest possible point in the tournament he could be eliminated.

>>720654498
Based and Beyond All Reason pilled
BAR is the RTS

>>720673187
And potentially a whole army HP.

How would you make it balanced?

>>720661246
its called x now sar
>>720661298
mrmm very true saar
>>720662683
Let me telling you one thing sir. Blizzard still making very good games for us !
*bobbles head*

Mrmmm very good.

>>720674867
thanks for another bump tourist!
that's another 0.5 minerals!
reply 100 more times and I can afford 2 lings
then I can win ASL

i like how everyone is replying to the zerg retard on /v/ still. on /vst/, he basically killed the starcraft threads singlehandedly lol.

>>720668909
That specific type of degeneracy doesn't have a clear outlet, so he could keep milking them for at least a few years, I imagine. As far as audience numbers are concerned, I think he's done a good job of diversifying and the people who want to watch the game just watch his casts or asl instead. I do miss the rage clips against protoss though, even if they still happen you have to dig through too much trash to find them.

>>720668950
That's not what I mean, I mean that in the remaster if you use the original graphics, it looks far worse than if you installed the original CD version and ran that instead. I don't know why or how they managed it.