Thread 720670192

What's the worst MGS game?

>>720670192 (OP)
pw>5>4>2>3>1
worst to best btw

>>720670192 (OP)
Never checked out the lore for these games. But how come otacon in mgs5 is so hated? Calling him a cuck among other shit

Survive

V

>>720670269
Why do most MGS fans hate soldier collecting?

>>720670192 (OP)
The phantom pain.

>>720670304
That's not Otacon.

The first two.
Portable Ops too.

>>720670269
>1 last
You fucking r-
>worst to best btw
What a weird way to rank something

>>720670269
Shit take.
Best to worst:

3>1>PW>GZ>MGR>MG2SS>GB>4>2>PO>TS>TPP>MG1

>>720670192 (OP)
If it's not 1-4, it's bad.

>>720670625
OP said worst so i started with the worst.

>>720670616
Right, he was otacons father right?

>>720670304
That's Huey, Otacon's dad, in MGSV. People hate him because he betrays Venom Snake. The cuck memes are real since he literally gets cucked by his own son in MGS2

>>720670768
Nah he's his clone brother.

>>720670192 (OP)
MGS1 if we're counting the main line games

>>720670718
u VILL build ze outer heaven and you VILL collect them all.

>>720670192 (OP)
Portal Ops

>>720670192 (OP)
>Good
1 - 3 - 5 - PW
>Bad
2 - 4
Never played any of them btw.

>>720670192 (OP)
4 spends the entire game retconning the 3 games before it, thats pretty bad

>>720670473
Anyone who says 5 is bad is a kneejerk storyfag who is unable enjoy games for their own sake
Whenever they try to talk about gameplay, they can only sputter about the open world being bad, which, while true, doesn't take away from how the actual levels like OKB Zero and Mfinda Oil field are some of the best stealth levels ever made

>>720670192 (OP)
mgs4, basically a long movie with few gameplay segments

>>720670269
>pw is...le WORST
Helllooooooo reddit

>>720670192 (OP)
V

MGS3>1>2>4>PW>V

>>720670192 (OP)
MGS 4 for having the highest cutscene to gameplay ratio.

>>720670192 (OP)
4 easily

PW>1>3>4=2>5

If you say PW or 4 are bad I immediately just assume you're a retard. Adhoc & MGO2 era was peak

>>720670192 (OP)
4 killed my interest in the series, so i'm willing to say that one

4 > 3 > PW > 1 > 2 > 5 > Portable Ops

>>720670192 (OP)
4
>Ocelot was pretending to be retarded
Fuck off

>>720670821
Why did he betray snake tho?
Also wtf you mean got cucked by his own son lmao

>>720670473
That was the only good part about PW and MGSV.

What's wrong with PW?

>>720671519
Also
Metallic Archaea is the best MGS boss fight.

>>720674627
Otacon fucks his stepmom

>>720670304
That's his papa Huey, who is like Otacon without the redeeming qualities. FUCK HUEY

Trick question. All the MGS games are the worst.

>>720674627
Because betraying is what he does
Snake wasn't the only one he betrayed, he betrayed pretty much everyone he ever was involved with, including his own family

4+

4 is the worst one
TPP was disappointing and rushed but is still fun as its own thing, 4 is mostly a slog

>>720670192 (OP)
Peace Walker. People saying 4 need to go back and play both back to back. PW is just an endurance run of trash. 4 has a great gameplay but a very small amount of it which puts it way down the list, but still above PW which has no positives whatsoever except you can fuck Paz and Miller.

Objectively it's one of the shitty NES ones.
Reminder that "worst" does not mean "most disappointed by".

4 because its hardly a game and a depressing experience.

>>720676873
All of the NES ones are only MG games, not MGS games

>>720671519
lol ok retard. the game is empty; the side ops are less engaging than PW side ops for the most part and, because the AI had to be programmed around huge open spaces, the guards are retarded. OKB Zero was ok (mainly because its one of the only areas that really uses indoor segments meaningfully), but the oil field and the airport are far from the "best stealth levels ever made" unless you are a retarded toddler that needs a helmet to drink soup. To mirror your point, anyone who claims 5 has good "gameplay" is really just talking about the mechanics being good while completely ignoring the shit level design and lack of actual content in the game (you have two mostly empty maps and everything else is menu management and mother base). The fact they couldn't at least think of 50 real ideas for the open world, even if they would just be GTA-esque filler missions and had to recycle earlier missions just shows how ass V is. 4 and 5 ironically have the same issue despite being radically different in design; the amount of meaningful gameplay chalks up to a small fraction of the actual game.

>>720676094
Who's the most irredeemable/biggest piece of shit in the series?
>Huey
>Sundowner
>Liquid
>Skull Face

>>720677023
>OKB Zero
>indoor stealth
way to out yourself as never having played the game

>>720676094
Why did he betray everyone tho?

4 is the funniest shit desu.

>Act 1
Liquid outsmarts you.
>Act 2
Liquid outsmarts you.
>Act 3
Liquid outsmarts you.
>Act 4
Liquid outsmarts you.
>Act 5
Liquid lets you win?

Like what the fuck?

>>720677260
Beats me. He always lies when questioned, even after the truth has been revealed
He just can't help himself or bring himself to trust anyone, I guess

>>720677195
>okb zero doesnt have indoor stealth
nigger you're acting like I didn't sit there farming resources at launch for FOBs. you have buildings on both sides of you the entire way with guards going in and out and supplies inside. if you go down the middle you either have to make a distraction or prone crawl while waiting out guards. again, a retard who claims V is the "best stealth game ever" doesn't even fucking know anything about the game because he watched someone play it!

>>720677469
Do you say that because that's the lore or you just don't know?

4 and Peace Walker are the worst MGS games (if you don't count Portable ops and other non-canon trash)

>>720677361
its because they need an excuse for Snake to keep travelling from location to location. desu he should have went more grounded with the world and just made it middle east the whole time; it would have allowed for a lot better storytelling and pacing. it seems like that was the original plan for the game but they pussied out.

>>720677508
IIRC only one guard ever goes inside a building, and by far the easiest route through the facility (enter the first gate on the left then cross over to the right and hug the right until the end) ignores all the buildings entirely. There's only one building on the right, between the second and third gates

>at launch
so you did play it, but over a decade ago, yeah I can tell

>press button that shows me x-ray of every guard in 50m range that lasts and shows me their movements
>guards cant see you if you're prone unless you're 15m away
>even if you fuck that up you have 20 different items that makes the guard look away
>clear out guards with suppressed weapon
>infinite supplies
>BUT GUYS THE GUARDS START WEARING HELMETS IF YOU KEEP HEADSHOTTING THEM HOLY KEK
truly the best stealth experience ever holy shit

>>720670192 (OP)
MGS4 and MGSRR. I think Tomokazu Fukushima helped Kojima truly shine as a artist and without him to keep Kojima grounded that you can see the faults in Kojima's writing style.

>>720670473
I don't really like any of the base building aspects the series added. I think using fulton all the time makes it way too easy and simple as well, it's not interesting gameplay. Best you can say is it's funny the first few times you do it.

>>720678021
How did this effect the gameplay

>>720678094
Metal Gear was always kind of dumb about this shit prior to fultons anyway
If a guard sees another guard hit be a tranq dart, he won't raise an alarm no matter what game you're playing, so the fulton doesn't even really make a difference

>>720678254
if the devs of these games were actually competent, the difficulty modes would fix this instead of making a "LOL YOU GET SPOTTED RUN OVER" mode.

MGS 4 was my first metal gear and it made a horrible impression for me

>>720678254
What I meant was that it's too easy to acquire soldiers because you just walk over and press triangle, no thought, no effort, no challenge. I actually liked having to carrying the prisoners in Ground Zeroes more because it was more interesting in the actual gameplay.

>>720678175
Don't get me wrong, I think Hideo Kojima is good at making very tightly design maps to run around in (excluding the open world shit) but besides that I think as writer without someone keeping him in check it just ends being really poorly executed or overexplained

>>720678453
Made a great first impression on me because I loved the online and jerking off to Laughing Octopus.

>>720677658
No wonder the story feels disconjointed and all over the place with it's idea's

>>720678465
everyone shit on PO for that exact same reason
TPP did at least make the guards able to hear and shoot down fultons compared to PW
But anyway, my point was that fultons just sped up the process because in either case you'd probably be clearing out an area in order to capture people

>>720677361
liquid is a fucking failure, are you joking me

>>720677361
>>720678882
nigga even gave snake a kiss before he ACK'd

>>720678508
Fukshima himself admitted he had little to do with the main plots of every game, helped with punching up the script and optional codecs. Which are important but it doesn't make him the secret genius all along. I think the Fukushima memes are way overblown, if he was still working on MGS4 or Death Stranding you'd still have all the retarded plots and characters, it's just the dialogue and optional scenes would be maybe a bit better. Which wouldn't be enough to save any of these stories.

>>720677550
Anyyone?
Also bump

Do you think qe'll ever get the Original Metal Gear Rising?
The story of hos Raiden saved Sunny but was made into a cyborg in the process?

>>720680753
that seems like one of the obvious ideas to use for a new Metal Gear game, I expect Konami will probably reuse that at some point.

>>720680385
He didn't really believe in Snake or his vision, and he feared what Snake might/would become. This is why you get all of the contrarian "Huey was right/did nothing wrong" posters. Because ultimately we do know that Snake "turns bad", though of course it was Huey's actions that created Venom Snake in the first place.

>>720681290
Damn, shit's complex. So what, huey is peak evil or some shit? Or some kinda judas?

MGS2 is unplayable dogshit.

>>720670192 (OP)
PW imo, it was the game that lead to the massive changes to the core of MGS.

I just tried Portable Ops before seeing this thread. It's really hard to control (yes I did try remapping controls) and it's just hard to get into.

>>720681572
Have you played the Metal gears before it

>>720681432
Not pure evil, but definitely a judas/betrayer. He's sort of like his son in that he's autistically brilliant when it comes to tech, but lacking in people skills. He should have been more loyal to Snake given what they went through in Peace Walker and trusted him, but instead he sold Snake and MSF out and cost lots of people their lives over nothing

>>720677361
4 deals with the idea of everything repeating itself until it becomes unrecognizable. It's basically a rehash of mgs1/2/3 with the events losing much of the meaning they had originally.

>>720681871
>it was bad on le purpose

>>720677658
Not sure what the point of the travel is anyway, I guess they wanted to show the global war economy but you only really go to two actual warzones

>>720681971
Yes.

>>720681818
Thanks much appreciated. Finally got an answer after almost 9 years kek

Gonna emulate MGS4 bros

>>720681971
Not him, but I do actually think Kojima, bitter at having to make another Metal Gear and feeling old and out of ideas for sequels, made the game intentionally upsetting, anticlimactic, and depressing, if not bad on porpoise. Reminder he wanted to end the series with Snake and Otacon getting executed by the government until the team stopped him.

>>720681818
NTA, but Huey just accelerated the inevitable. Big Boss were already going rogue after the ending of PW, and some sort of retaliation would have happened without Huey's actions or not. He's still a pos, but you know

>>720681783
All of them

>>720682045
man, what will the fanboys not make excuses for?

why dont you just fucking do it right and stop being a bitch about it? Its your job to make a good sequel, so do it.

Are MGS2 Snake Tales supposed to be this annoying? I'm on the second one and I'm already thrown into an escort mission without Soliton Radar and barely any M9 ammo.

>>720670473
I prefer to not have grindy elements in my games.

If you say "4" you are a cuck

>>720670192 (OP)
3

>>720678546
I love her short blond hair.

>>720682383
MGO is, of course, kino, but 4 itself was dogshit. Yes, I separate the two. No, I don't care if you have a problem with that.

>>720682295
Not making any excuses, it's just what the game is. The AI going retarded and repeating the same shit over and over again. I wanted to strangle Kojima when it came out, but at the same time I enjoyed it as a closure to the series.

>>720677361
>Act 1
>Liquid outsmarts you.
Well he was expecting you and he did his experiment, I'll give you that one
>Act 2
>Liquid outsmarts you.
Not exactly? Naomi contacted you which might have been part of his plans but it certainly was a real hard fight to get her and get out. It clearly doesn't look like a failure on your end.
>Act 3
>Liquid outsmarts you.
Ok
>Act 4
>Liquid outsmarts you.
He escaped and you're chasing him down
>Act 5
>Liquid lets you win?
you had the same goals

if we're talking story, maybe 5's the worst. but I just love doing the missions. The mission freedom is nice, whether to kill or to capture. Something nice about just rolling up, and killing a target and then riding away. or going in hot with the chopper gun, blowing up a radar, then flying away.

>>720671845
PW is peak reddit you fucking moron. Its zoomers first MGS

>>720682475
You can't separate 4 from MGO because MGO can only be good thanks to 4

and 4 has some good replayability eventually, it's not as lacking in content as it seems

>>720670192 (OP)
>best to worst for gameplay
5 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1
>best to worst for everything else
1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 5

>>720670192 (OP)
from best to worst:
1>2>MGR>3>GZ>PW>PO>TPP>4

big boss saga was overall mid, but even TPP's unfinished ass cannot compare to 4 and how hard it tried to retcon other games with nanomachines, then proceeded to shit over everything with infinite amount of references ala disney's star wars

>>720682383
in a real game, those two would headshot you through the box with one bullet

>>720670473
Because it isn't true MGS which is supposed to be focused on stealth gameplay, not peripheral features.

That being said, PW had the better soldier collection and Outer Ops. MGSV's was so crap, that mission 43 didn't make me feel any sort of remorse for having to kill "literallywhat-adjective literallywho-animal". If that shit happened in PW I'd be devastated, because you get to train them and watch them do their Outer Ops like Pokemon or Tamagotchis, so there's a stronger emotional attachment.

>>720670625
>The first two.
Go fuck yourself Big Bitch.
Get nuked and burned. Yes nuked as well, Venom Snake is not canon to me.

MGS1/2/4 >> MGS3 >>>>>>>>>>> MGSVGZ >>>> MGSVTPP > MGSPW

is the card game any good? Metal Gear Acid

Playing MGS2 and why are the Snake Tales missions so ridiculously difficult? I can't even get past the first few screens of the first mission without getting spotted and killed.
It's like a practical joke on the fans
>Oh, you wanted more Snake content? Sure, but it's locked to European Fuck You difficulty, have fun!

Venom... had a hard life..

any way I can successfully simulate pressure-sensitive buttons on an emulator? I dont want to play the remake slop

>>720683296
>figured out he was not big boss and big boss and ocelot used him without his consent.
>still goes through with building outer heaven
???

>>720683495
not only was venom extremely loyal to big boss and his top soldier, but he was also utterly mindbroken by the time he discovered the truth
with quiet gone and so many dead, he must've thought there was no other way for him other than helping the original

>>720683495
where else could he go, what else could he do?

>>720682980
It was a real game tho. Of course the sweatiest tryhards (think lvl17+) will kill a lot of the funny gameplay but the majority of players (lvl12-16) aren't invulnerable to the funniest tricks.

>>720683495
Its so mind bendingly stupid

>>720670192 (OP)
Its factually and objectively Pisswalker

>>720683280
Same, at some point it's better just to cross a room and then get killed so you can respawn on the newest room you were in without alerted guards. I'm on the second mission and so far it has been miserable, and now I have to escort Emma through two struts all the way to Shell 2 with active guards all over the place, barely any M9 ammo and no USP silencer.

The "what-if" stories are mildly interesting, but holy shit at least give me back the Soliton Radar if you're going to put so many guards while I have to deal with the terrible camera.

>>720683712
Yeah, no. There are no players that bad. When I played it a couple of years ago, it had servers of like 30 people and everyone would headshot you from half across the map

I want to fuck Paz so Peace Walker is good

>>720671519
OKB Zero is literally a straight line with a designated stealth path and the main entrance what the fuck are you talking about?
GZ is the best stealth the series has ever had.

>>720683873
isnt she a child in pw?

>>720683856
I'm thinking it's just a skill issue on your end mate. Unless you're playing on the Mix (sweaty) lobby there are ways to be devious

>>720683901
She's a 20-something woman pretending to be a teenage girl.

>>720683882
This. Retards see OKB Zero is a big base and think it suddenly is just like Ground Zeroes when it's so clearly different in design and polish.

>>720684084
ok but how did they manage to pack enough explosives inside her womb tho?

>>720674627
Otacon had a stepmother and step sister, Otacon started banging his step mother and after Huey found out he killed himself by drowning in their pool and tried to kill his stepdaughter with him but she survived. Also Otacon’s step sister was in love with him too, what a chad

>>720683495
well he can't go after big boss since big boss lives. Or I guess he could have, but then killed him off. would that have been a better ending?

>>720684204
Because they are bunch of sick fucks.

>>720684238
>fucks his stepmom that tempted him
>stepsis wants to fuck him
>fucked naomi
>wolf probably would've let him
>meanwhile Solid Snake is a virgin

>>720684238
>Otacon's brocon genius step-sister is introduced
>dies a few minutes later

Talk about characters that are nothing but plot devices.

>>720670269
hey retard, i'm going to tell you something useful here
the use of > and < derives from mathematics
simply, the vertically wider side is greater, and the vertically narrower side is lesser
so BIG > small
or BETTER > lesser
please respect this in future

>>720684452
snake got left by the only girl who was remotely interested in him.. he got tortured for Meryl.. and Johnny ended up tapping that instead. May as well call him Flaccid Snake at this point.

>>720684452
>>meanwhile Solid Snake is a virgin
he fucked plenty of girls and is quite a ladies man

>>720684571
i meant its bigger worse than

>>720684452
>t. otacon

>>720683828
Frankly I'm probably just gonna skim the Snake Tales stories on Youtube. The VR missions satisfied my "Play as Snake" wish for MGS2, and those are actually fun for the most part.
The combo of
>No Radar
>Locked Hard Mode
and
>No Codec Saving
completely kills any interest in actually playing them. It's just unreasonable and I honestly doubt anyone in the thread has beaten the Snake Tales missions.

>>720684572
he got cucked by the comedic relief character that shits everywhere.

2.

>>720684683
I'm pretty sure people have, but considering they are non-canon stories and you're just revisiting areas from the main game, might as well just move on. You could at least finish the mission you're on at the moment, but I can at least warn you about the boss: Fatman will drop FOUR bombs per round, so you better deactivate them as soon as he starts placing them. It took me several tries to kill him while with Raiden I beat him first try.

>>720684779
Shitting yourself is a high level tactic on the battlefield

after playing Delta it's funny how owned snake gets in MGS3, i think half of the game's cutscenes are either him getting beaten up by a woman, or him being tortured. big boss is a fucking bitch
the worst main MGS game is probably 4 but i admit i have a special hatred for 5. it's just not an MGS game. it's not like it's a bad game, but it's not MGS

>>720684914
the fear, the pain, the fury, the end, the sorrow and now.. the stench.

>>720684452
Snake absolutely fucked Meryl after MGS1.

>>720685104
they broke up because he couldnt get it up unless he was staring death in the face.

>>720684572
He dumped her for Otacon in between 1 and 2. He's got only himself to blame.

Based Liquid saving his bro.

Depends.

If we are counting spin-offs, Survive or Snakes Revenge take it.

If we count all of them, Metal Gear 1 is a rough game all around where Metal Gear 2 was superior on every level and even today is a hard sell for a lot of people. It also has some really stupid level design later in the game.

If we are just counting the mainline Solid games, V. It had a lot of potential and I loved the gameplay early on, but it just falls apart half way through. You can tell when they started to have to axe part of the games once Kojima was leaving.

From a gameplay perspective? Portable Ops. Its controls are just so ass and the level design made it clear it was built on multiplayer maps stitched together awkwardly. Has some cool concepts that were dropped in PW but holy hell it just runs and plays like ass.

>>720681492
Its the shortest one and pretty straight forward. The only downside is the environments really do not ever change up outside the intro and end.

>>720685930
Big Shell has weird design choices. Tanker is very solid and a great sneaking experience but holy shit the Big Shell gets annoying.

>get to the conveyor belt with Emma
>soldiers attacking me from both sides
>stun grenades take a lifetime to activate
>mines won't work because solders pop 3 at a time and by the time one explodes, two more follow

Who the fuck designed these missions?

>>720687613
>get to the conveyor belt with Emma
Do you mean the box room? How did you get there with Emma?

>>720688367
Second Snake Tales. I have no idea what to do, enemies seem endless while I'm stuck in a corner where they can still shoot me if I'm standing up. At least I realized that stun grenades can actually make some enemies disappear, but it just goes on and on doesn't matter how many I kill. This is just plain unfun.

>>720670192 (OP)
Portable Ops is the worst but if we ignore that one then Peace Walker is the worst. They are all good however

>>720682172
>Snake and Otacon getting executed
this would have been actually good. It perfectly symbolizes the difference between Solid and the rest of the snakes. Outside of Solid, all were obsessed with themselves and forcing the philosophy they held on to the world. Solid was a "pawn" his entire life, but it wasn't out of ignorance. He didn't care about himself or his ego, he cared about making the world better, it didn't matter if was recognized for it and it didnt matter if the world had a distorted, negative, view of him. It's the perfect completion of the arc that started in MGS1.

>>720688740
I just realized that I have to escape the room with the semi-cripple girl while being attacked from both sides by soldiers. Oh, and stun grenades ALSO STUN HERE. I'm so fucking done with this mission.

>>720685930
>>720686097
most people would be fine with MGS2 if the second part of big shell was actually in the game. they taunt you with it and then rugpull it for the toodeep4u twist. Tbf it was a launch title for the PS2 so you can understand.

>>720678094
Portable ops did it better

>>720689143
I've always been really open to the idea at least. It's a very dramatic ending. The actual MGS4 ending is so fucking stupid I'm open to basically anything different though.

>>720670192 (OP)
1 is a easy play
2 after playing it once you will never wanna see the big shell again
3 is boring slop shit
4 is like one a easy play with ofc the best online
pw shit padded out monster hunter shit that you can play with your mind turned off
V has only been beaten by 10% of pc players its dog shit
ACid is one of the best games

>>720670192 (OP)
4
>m-muh PW/m-muh POps
It's a fucking PSP game, what did you expect?
>m-muh V
V is pretty bad, but at least it tried something new, instead of trying to build on the previous games and failing spectacularly.

>>720684042
>>720684042
your webms are shit
showing bad players

>>720690727
4 does build on the gameplay of the previous games very successfully, it plays far better than 3. It's just you only get to play it for like 2 hours.

I HATE the base building management sim shit that was first introduced in PW so it’s PW for me.

>>720690813
thats why we spent a day downloading MGO and played that

>>720690269
Nothing build to that ending. It sounds emotional and it would be, but the MGS4 ending is the more organic and meaningful one.

>>720690752
Literally just average players.

>>720690990
Yeah, you'd have to rewrite the story of MGS4 entirely to make it work. Which I support completely.

>>720670192 (OP)
I dislike almost every single thing about MGS2. I don't care for its story, the level design, or many of the encounters or sections of this game. I know every MGS game has a lot of fucking cutscenes and codec calls, but I wasn't interested in any of the scenes in this game. It is such a boring experience in nearly every way imaginable.
There are people who absolutely adore this game but I will never get it ever. I'm able to complain about something in every single MGS game, but I fucking hate almost all of MGS2 outside of the final boss fights.

>>720689143
That ending might've saved MGS4's reputation, but not for any good reason, but rather for the reason that """tragic""" endings are more memorable (not that the actual MGS4 ending isn't tragic if you think about it). Same as how MGS3's retardation where 5 different people humour Jobgin for no reason gets saved by muh flower field and EVA explaining the plot to you in the demo version of V's tapes.

>>720670192 (OP)
4 by far and anyone who says otherwise is a zoomer.

>>720691138
I think MGS4 has some flaws but the themes it handles are actually quite interesting and well executed. It's not just Snake growing old, it's the entire world falling to a set of patterns and being "streamlined" into its final form, an efficient but utterly lifeless one. It resonates with today in many ways, it doesn't need ID guns for that

>>720691040
I played this when it came out and ppl would notice snake, when he was hidden with easy, you are playing with brainded peeps

>>720691291
>MGS4
as soon as 4 comes on PC it will get sucked off,

>>720691670
I'm literally playing right now. Snake is completely invisible when lying in the shadows by the way.

4 was my first MGS game, and I would watch tv while the cutscenes were playing, so I mostly missed the story. It was still a great game & when I play the remake I'm looking forward to watching the cutscenes

>>720691898
I played it like 15 years ago
I was top 3 in the sneaking mode on the rankings I was 3rd (till my fat ps3 yellowed lighted on me playing rainbow six vagas)
the ppl you play with are shit at the game

1>3>V=Peace Walker>2>4

this is my honest dogshit opinion from playing all of them in a row. 2's position is malleable but I didn't enjoy my first playthrough very much probably because it was hard

>>720683882
So? The broad layout doesn't matter, what does matter is:
>there are many enemies
>there are places to hide from those enemies
>getting through quietly forces you to take risks
Camp Omega is not fundamentally different in design than any of the bases in TPP

>>720670192 (OP)
MGS1 and MGS3 are the most rounded off and complete products/experience, with MGS1 edging it out in terms of quality
MGS2 has high highs but really low lows
MGS4 when it actually makes use of all the mechanics is awesome but it doesn't do that most of the time so it just sucks
MGSV is a bit barren and aimless but its fun to play

MGS1 > MGS3 > MGS2 > MGSV > MGS4

>>720684452
snake fucked meryl, pretty obvious. dont they even mention living together for months in mgs4?
>>720684572
He left her, because he started to get ptsd or some shit, ran to antartica again and almost sudoku'd, until otacon found him and gave him purpose with their philanthropy project.

>>720677361
Don't forget snake just lets drebin vax his ass with an unknown syringe for guns. He got lucky that it was an upgraded foxdie which bought him extra time, but for all he knew that could've just been liquid meth or drebins nut butter and he just did it as a meme. They made snake aggressively retarded in 4.

>>720670192 (OP)
4 then 2. Not because the gameplay itself is bad but because Kojima gets too carried away with the cutscene marathons.

>>720689210
did his robe always have the yin/yang symbol?

>>720698291
>Not because the gameplay itself is bad but because Kojima gets too carried away with the cutscene marathons.
4 had the best stealth mechanics in the series until MGSV, and it just never let you use them. I remember playing the game at launch and being blown away by the camo, but never really feeling like I got to use it. I just wanted to play the fucking game, and it kept stuffing in cutscenes and motorbike chases and shit. 4 sucked

>>720670192 (OP)
Everyone loves 3
Zoom redditors won’t admit it but they won’t play 1
Boom redditors have a hate boner for 2 and 4 because muh raiden and muh old snake cutscenes
Millennial redditors hate 5 because muh Hayter and muh open world

>>720698506
We all found that fence that made the Octocamo look like a spiderman suit and never changed it afterwards.

>>720690386
Based and acid pilled

>>720670192 (OP)
MGSV, if only for faggots like >>720671519 who parrot "well, yeah, the story and open world are bad but those aren't valid criticisms because I say so!" The core gameplay loop is implemented in the most repetitive way possible with you doing the same shit 90% of the time to pad the lack of content, along with a narrative that no one disagrees is the worst in the series. My only regret is the Fox Engine getting mothballed because of how bad the game was designed and written. I would have liked to see them use it when remaking MGS1-3.

>>720700251
MGSV is so much fucking better than 4 it's not even funny. Not surprising that kojima dickslurpers can't make their own fun though thinking that the dogshit second half of every metal gear game where he forces you through a series of drab linear setpieces is Peak Game Design though

>>720700251
the story isn't even bad, it's just forgettable, unlike 2, 4 and PW which are actively retarded
the game is no more repetitive than any other game in the series

>>720695681
>getting through quietly forces you to take risks
But that's what i'm arguing against OKB zero, there is zero risk to sneaking because there's a prebuilt path.
I haven't played since early 2024 so this is from memory but:
>Bypass entrance by going to the left and climb the wall there are literally zero guards
>stick left, avoid the mines that are there if you raised the global awareness thing, stick left and go through the tunnels to that lead you up some stairs
>drop down and keep going forward while sticking to the left, go back up the stairs ahead
It gets blurry here but I'm pretty sure it's the hangar entrance, you just need to drop down and get in. I vaguely remember a few guards by the entrance but that's it.
Camp omega at least has two doors to reach the insides. And you've got more sneaking while inside the basement. OKB zero is a straight line

>>720700783
Oh for the third part I forgot to mention the small interiors that you either go in or not depending on where the guards are/if you've got cameras because of the global awareness thing.
Of course all of this is assuming using no items because the game is too piss easy otherwise. Since it's a straight line just tranquilize any guards and you're through.

>>720700783
the left side is full of buildings, making it very difficult to tell where the enemies are (or at least where they're facing), as well as surveillance cameras
After getting in through the left side, I cross over to the right and remain there. There's no cameras on the entire right side of the map, and between gates 1 and 2, there's also no enemies along that side
Between gates 2 and 3, there's more of an enemy presence, the buildings in the way force you to expose yourself and you pretty much have to go right through the front of gate three with the spotlight guard above
If you can get back on the right and get on the ceiling of the building, it's a straight shot to the end though, only one enemy wandering around on the floor of the right side (and I suppose another on the roof during caution)

>>720674627
Huey is just a complete rat piece of shit who refuses to take accountability for his actions, with the player having two extra layers of contempt for him because of how he killed Strangelove and how he tried to drown his own daughter when he commits suicide later in life when he finds out Otacon is fucking his stepmom/Huey's wife. Anyone who played 2 knew he was going to be a fucking scumbag.

I’d say 4, as far as mainline games.
I really liked the gameplay itself, but so much of your time in the game is spent doing boss fights, on rails shooting sections or gimmicks instead of actually enjoying the way it plays in sections like the very beginning.
The other major actual sections that DO have this gameplay, are also marred by gimmicks. The warzone that’s just a bunch of crawling forward, the tailing mission in the city, the Shadow Moses retreat where it’s just cow mechs.
Such a waste.
It’s been a long time though. Maybe I’d prefer it to 5 on a replay, hard to say. I’ll never know. Both ain’t good though far as I’m concerned.

>>720700503
All the good parts of the story are on cassette tapes you unlock after the boring ass parts

>>720702337
I think part of the reason MGSV got a lot of hate was because the story was in cassette tapes, and it was release when a lot of people started to listen to podcasts and shit while playing video games.

>>720701832
I hope they bring 4 to some other consoles at some point. Give it the Delta treatment, I think it's still only trapped on PS3

>>720670192 (OP)
Snot.

>>720702337
The tapes are just background info, there's no actual events that happen in them

>>720684563
Bravo Kojima

>>720703046
All the shit with cipher and XOF and such happens, that should've been in the actual game through someway, at least cutscenes or something

>>720670192 (OP)
Mgs2, no the ending doesn't salvage it

>>720670192 (OP)
4, easily

>>720670192 (OP)
3 > 1 > 2 > PW > 4 > 5
2's story and themes are probably the most interesting but big shell sucks ass and the face to face codec conversations are a bad solution to long conversations, a problem Kojima figured out a way around in 3 with documentary footage and artwork. 5 controls and plays the best, but has the worst zones and story out of the entire franchise on top of no fun bosses to fight with the much improved controls and shooting.

Genuinely don't understand how people rate 3 above 2. It's a fucking menu game and the story, characters and gameplay isn't nearly as good.

>>720704123
Replaying them all recently I was shocked at how much more I enjoyed 1 and 2 compared to 3. It wasn't as good as I remembered, aside from the bosses.

>>720703303
Most of the shit from the tapes *is* in the game if you pay attention to the environment and NPC dialogues

>>720670192 (OP)
Portable Ops or MGS4. I'm inclined to say PO, but MGS4 is outright ambitious in its attempts to be awful so it should claim the title.

>>720704123
I like 1 more than 3 but 2 is only really interesting in the back half with 3 still playing much better. pausing for camo can get obnoxious in the middle stretch of the game I agree, the bit after the pain in particular is annoying because you're basically swapping every zone transition until you finally get let lose in Groznyj Grad but you don't really need to menu much more frequently outside of that unless you're bad and need to cure often, or indecisive with your equipment loadout.

>>720704552
Is twin snakes really that bad? I finally got my mitts on a gamecube that can load games off SD card and I was thinking of giving it a go as I've played the original to death

>>720704515
That's an even fucking shittier way to tell this kind of story than cassette tapes

>>720670192 (OP)
Peace Walker and it's not even close. Story sets up the most nothing burger game of all time. Gameplay is also shit because it was made for PSP so it was stupid easy.

>>720704123
MGS3 is more of an adventure with the way the environments shake things up before culminating in Groznyj Grad. The camera in Subsistence robs the environments of their impact in a lot of places, but even with that erosion the aesthetic scope of the game is still there. I think that's a huge part of it.

>>720704763
subsistence is best played swapping between the two camera I think, as the fixed angles can often times give you better vision around corners or places you couldn't see with the free camera. probably why the original subsistence let you swap between the two freely, shame the remake fucked that up.

>>720704702
>what is environmental storytelling

>>720704651
>Is twin snakes really that bad?
On its own terms? No. Relative to the series as a whole? Yes. It's kind of meaningless. It looks worse than the original, mostly sounds worse than the original, and the gameplay changes are irrelevant at best and deleterious at worst. It serves no purpose. Its one virtue is being a Metal Gear game on the GameCube, but even that didn't go anywhere. I honestly think TTS would be better regarded if the GC had received ports of MGS2 and MGS3.

It's worth a play if you're curious about it.

>>720670269
3>PW>1>4>2

>>720684572
>>720685104
>>720698034
anyone find it creepy and predatory that meryl was 18 and snake was 30? major pedo vibes

Kojima lowkey a huge faggot for recasting snake and ocelot

>>720704917
Ok, I'll give it a shot then

>>720704901
This isn't fucking Dark Souls buddy, you aren't going to effectively tell a complex surreal military spy story through environmental storytelling alone, John Le Carre didn't write all his stories as found item descriptions and overheard npc dialogue.

>>720704995
I always assumed she was like early 20s

>>720704995
>18 is a licheral child
kys faggot

>>720705092
It's not just environmental storytelling. You have tapes, you have missions themselves, you have Kaz and Ocelot backseating you on the radio, you even have cuscenes as few as they are and if you actually play the game you learn everything you need. But MGSfags need their Codec lore dumps and hour long cutscenes with RL footage

>>720670192 (OP)
Gonna go ahead and say MGS1 and 3 were the only good games in the series.

>>720705448
Yeah all that fucking sucks man. Everything interesting happens off screen, on tapes. I listen to some of the most important reveals in the series while taking a jog around mother base, like a shitty audio book at the gym. Zero finally becomes an interesting character to some degree, I am sitting in a helicopter staring at Quiet's ass while this happens. Or I'm wandering around Afghanistan doing busy work but nothing too interesting or it will distract me. It ruins the story when it's being told in such an obtuse and dull way.

>>720705603
I always thought 3 was trying to recapture what 1 was and 4 was trying to recapture what 2 was.

5 > 3 > 2 > 4 > 1 > pw > po

Objectively speaking

>>720670192 (OP)
kojima wanted to end it with 2 and as such everything after that is forced fanservice slop konami made him make to earn money

>>720705814
3 was trying to appease the low iq masses who got offended that mgs 2 made fun of them with raiden

>>720707949
>kojima wanted to end it with 2
>Patriots plot is completely unresolved
>Liquid comes back and escapes
>it ends with yet another cliffhanger

My ass.

probably VR Missions, but I feel like that's cheating.

>>720670192 (OP)
portable ops. just mid all around.
>>720670269
mgs1 is super dated but everything surrounding the actual gameplay makes it my personal favorite. the atmosphere, the art direction, the plot, the characters, etc. it's all top notch desu. big inspo for me.
pic unrelated

Peacewalker is legitimately one of the worst games I've ever played

>>720707842
>1 ranked that low
>5 ranked that high
holy cringe

>>720708301
You will quickly find that the only defenders of it are zoomers who played it on their PSP when they were a kid.

4 is dogshit nostalgia bait past act 1 and 2. It could have been a good game if they kept the structure of the first acts.

>>720670192 (OP)
4, no contest

>>720684452
Not to mention he had mei ling in the background in one codec in mgs2

He makes fun of snake for enjoying the idol posters in another call

Dudes tiny computer briefcase must be heavy due to the weight of all the lube and dick pills he needs to carry around.
Real conspiracy Philanthropy might have just a been a 501c3 front to increase the size of his harem and collect money for his sick needs.

>>720670192 (OP)
4 and 5, rest are good.

>>720708301
>>720709546
Different guy here but

I agree, The mission/base and level/stats grind fucking sucked and the story was completely unnecessary filler. Got bored of the formula and I was glad to download a nearly maxxed save game off the Internet to see the ending.

Mgsv was basically pw remade right with a "proper story" and new game engine anyway, unfortunately it's a half finished product due to kojima getting locked in konamis basement and read the riot act for spending millions making the game engine for 5 years and only had half a game to show for it and that's why they had to take the vertical slice(the best part of their development)and sell it as a separate game to compensate for the financial losses Konami had to endure.

It really makes sense looking at it in that way and explains why ground zeroes was better than 5, also because it didn't have the bullshit base grinding


I spent less time playing mgsv than even pw because I got so tired of the pw mission formula

>>720670192 (OP)
V. Then I'd say 3. Then 4. Then 2. Then 1.

>>720684452
Otacon is Kojima's self-insert

>>720713031
Ground zeroes was better than v.

That one side mission where you collect memories of mgs1 in ground zeroes is funny because the camp omega was likely a reconstruction of pieces of shadow Moses inside the fox engineas a tech demo.

The points you collect probably popped up screenshots of the old game to compare just like how they did in mgs4 with the memories in mgs4s remade shadow Moses.

There's some old jap environmental artist or engine programmer that just has a sick fetish for remakes his old levels in their new engines I bet.

>>720670269
faggot.
massive.

>>720670192 (OP)
jesus fuckin christ otacon stop screaming in my ear bones

>>720683309
https://youtu.be/fLrcDoJt9_E?t=224
3:44
You don't need them for mgs3

>>720704995
No. Shut the fuck up, roastie.

Tried replaying MGS1 and 2. 1 wasn't so bad, but the controls in MGS2 just feel weird. Nothing against the rest of the game, but it feels like they were trying to do too much but hadn't quite figured out how until MGS3 got it right.

>>720670192 (OP)
3 > 2 >> 1
Haven't played the rest except for a little bit of Peace Walker, which seemed like it had cool gameplay but I really hated the physical experience of playing it on a PSP so maybe I'll try it again on the PS3 version

>>720670192 (OP)
5

>>720683309
for 3 when I played it on PC back before there was a native PC version I just mapped the square and circle buttons to analog triggers in RPCS3
idk if the PC version lets you do that or not, can anyone tell me
Also there's like PS2 controller adapters on Amazon for $8, do those work with the pressure-sensitive buttons? I'm wondering since I don't know if X or D-Input even support those, but maybe PCSX2 has something for it

>>720671519
>unable enjoy games for their own sake
MGSV is the only metal gear I've ever played and it's a shit game

>>720704880
>shame the remake fucked that up.
Except, weirdly enough, during the bike chase.

>>720682549
>Its zoomers first MGS
How out of touch are you?

>>720717391
It's true. The reason it's on PSP was literally because Kojima wanted to appeal his zoomer son who was obsessed with Monster Hunter Freedom.

>>720709546
Zoomers are too young for PSPs, zoomzoom

I think you HAVE to be pretty fucking retarded to say stuff like "Peace Walker is the best MGS game or one of the best". A fucking PSP game for toodlers with powerpoint cutscenes and mission based with barely any stealth gameplay in it... Collecting soldiers could've been fun if they actually had personnality or special traits to them but nope. And the cassete tapes... my god. Some of them are genuinely fun like the ones with Kaz and some with Paz. But the other characters? All trash. Worst than any other characters from previous games. Peace Walker is a waste of time.

>>720713489
Sure it isn't Ocelot?

They're all bad, evidenced in this thread by only the most high octane autists knowing the plot. They're capeshit with a vassal state's gook nerd overlay.

>>720670269
man, i loved the pvp in 5. infiltrating somebodies home base and then them appearing to try to defend it personally and then you cqc slam their ass and fulton them. mgo was also really fun and unique

>>720674627
>>720676094
>>720684238
>>720701517
is it really possible for a rat piece of shit to have a chad son like that? i mean how does that even work?

>>720678465
>>720678094
the fulton does make noise and alert nearby guards. i believe it also couldn't be used under cover

>>720678254
>he won't raise an alarm no matter what game you're playing,
They literally do. If a guard sees another one get knocked out and fall, they will issue a caution phase.

>>720670192 (OP)
5 and it's not even a contest

pw is also absolute ass but it's like the prototype for 5, and 5 amps up all the dogshit aspects of that game to 11

>>720721452
son sees how his father acts and dislikes his father's actions and is disgusted by them
while growing up, son decides to learn the lessons from his father's behavior and chooses to not act like him
not exactly a hard concept

>>720721452
Honestly, if the circumstances surrounding Otacon's conception and birth weren't described in great detail I'd think he wasn't actually Huey's kid and Huey got cucked yet again.

>>720670269
>>720670715
>uses greater than signs
>still has to specify "best to worst"
>filtered by MGS2

As expected.

>>720670192 (OP)
V

Anyone who says 5 is worse than 4 is a fucking retarded zillenial PS3 apologist.

4 is the worst. It's not close.

>>720729163
You're retarded.

>>720670192 (OP)
counting spin-offs: survive
not counting spin-offs: 4

4

IT INSISTS UPON ITSELF

>>720730140
... in the best possible way.

MG2 was the only one that filtered me. I just couldn't get into the dated controls. MG1 at least had an easier enemy detection system so it wasn't that bad.

>>720721452
Hal grew up resenting both himself and his father because of his suicide and Emma's near-death experience, since he did play a partial role in her trauma. He kept contact with his stepmom (fuckin' LOL) and became a self-made man. Hal's biggest moment of onscreen growth in the franchise is when he finally reconciles with his stepsister.

>>720671519
Holy fucking based take

>>720696694
Reasonable
I'd say MGS1, 2 and 3 are interchangeable, 4 Is definitely the worst one
What the FUCK were they thinking?

MGS4 gameplay is worst, has some kino cutscenes, MGO2 is the best one.
MGS1 story is a bunch of contrivances, especially with retroactive continuity.
MGS5 is best gameplay.
PO/PW collect-a-soldier is alright, gunplay suffers for being PSPshit. PW has weirdly an exceptionally important story and sets up Outer Heaven.

MGS2 is the overall best and fucking prophetic like Kojima had visions of the future.