Thread 720670681

You have 3 min to explain why DLSS is a bad thing for gaming

I don't like games looking like a blurry mess and I want developers to optimise them instead of the onus being on the consumer to buy more expensive hardware.

It looks bad and makes developers not care that their game runs like shit.

DLSS is fine. We've been using dynamic res and upscaling forever. And DLSS somewhat solves the issue of TAA being utter dogshit. It extends the life of midrange cards and can be used in certain scenarios (4K+, DLDSR, etc) to look even better than native with TAA.

The real problem is when games expect you to use it as a baseline to achieve 60 fps. This is a huge problem for 1080p gamers and handheld gamers as no matter the setting it's going to look shit there.

The other problem is framegen. It has glaring, obvious downsides that DLSS (or FSR) doesn't have. It's not free performance, has DLSS' "low input = bad output" problem cranked to 10. You can't make 30-to-framegen-60 FPS look or feel good. It shouldn't be considered at all when laying out how a game runs.

>>720670923
DLSS4 makes some games look better than native resolution and anti aliasing
>>720671075
this

It makes devs extra lazy. Give devs any excuse to not optimize their games and they'll jump at the chance, just offload all of it to fake frames. If games already ran well and it was just gravy on top it would be great, but as it is and it being a requirement now just to even approach decent frames it's absolute cancer. I don't hate the tech at all, just the effect it has on the industry

>>720670681 (OP)
I hate DLSS because it basically allowed all devs to be utter lazy pieces of shit that dont optimize anything. It was neat when it came out, but it should have died for the greater good.

>>720670681 (OP)
game is fucking blurry with dlss

>>720670681 (OP)
DLSS is TAA on steroids for image and motion degradation and they want to charge extra money for the damage they are doing. Absolute cancer.

>>720670923
>I don't like games looking like a blurry mess

games look like a blurry mess because of TAA.
DLSS quality looks better than native TAA in most games.

>>720673026
please compare native TAA with DLSS quality.
DLSS wins in most games.

>>720670681 (OP)
>You have 3 min to explain why DLSS is a bad thing for gaming

You mean motion blur?

60 fps is enough

>>720670681 (OP)
It's just gAyyMD poorfags coping, they're a loud minority

>>720670681 (OP)
At face value it's great tech, it allows slower card to effectively output at higher resolution than they could and it extends the life of older cards. In practice DLSS/FSR became the baseline so now even if you have a $,3000 RTX 5090 you have to turn on DLSS. Coincidentally that leaves the slower cards like the 60 series in the gutter forcing their owners to run 360p internal resolution upscaled to 1080p.

>just stop being poor and buy the 3 grand card that draws 550W and requires a giga nigga tower with a 1100W PSU
I don't know, if someone doesn't care that much or doesn't want to invest in PC gaming a 60 or 70 series card seems reasonable and in fact the 970, 1060 and 2060S were pretty good GPUs.

>>720673482
Reading comprehension. The damage dlss did to visuals is far greater than the damage the introduction of TAA did. But, yeah, native TAA vs 1080p ultra performance dlss with 4xfg (which is what nvidia is pushing as a requirement) would be a brutal mogging with TAA winning.

>>720670681 (OP)
>why is upscaling a 480p image to 4k and charging the end user $2700 for it a bad things
Its not. If you are dumb enough to buy it you deserve to be poor.

>>720670681 (OP)
fake frames
fake games

>>720670923
Why do you amdniggers still peddle this bullshit when even amdroneunboxed admits DLSS isn't blurry

>>720670681 (OP)
I'm an AMDsoy and also Indian and can't redeem the DLSS.

>>720675032
They mean relatively, not objectively. Objectively it's shit.

You have 5 seconds to buy an ad

>>720671192
>better than native
>native being literally how the image is supposed to look
>>720675032
my eyes actually work bro and all forms of fake frames scams look like dogshit and fuck shit up in any fast paced game god i hate poor fags and marketing drones

>>720670681 (OP)
You ever notice how you only have still screenshots with a big FPS counter on it instead of actual video shilling for this bullshit?

Making developers think they don't have to optimize their games anymore.

>>720674860
post the full image, coward

>>720675383
They really don't when the buycattle buys unoptimized remasters by the millions.

>>720670681 (OP)
it takes away sharpness unless you are on a screen for ants ie a monitor

>>720675319
>there's SUPPOSED to be flickering jagged aliasing all over the screen
okay

>>720670681 (OP)
It is a compromise between people that make hardware and software, not something you as customer need or should desire.
The lies of old GPUs running new games with it or 1080p/1440p cards running in 4K thanks to it were never true, so there is no good reason for you to accept this.

>>720675319
Your eyes are filled with parasites and disease from the Ganges you dumb jeet. That's why everything look so blurry to you

>>720673367
>dog shit looks better than cat shit

>>720670681 (OP)
With the new update that lets you inject new DLSS4 versions straight from the driver DLSS quality/DLAA is just straight up better than the native image quality these days. It's free anti aliasing + performance essentially, frame gen sucks if you're getting less than 120 FPS but otherwise it can also be good.

>>720670681 (OP)
DLSS is bad for gaming cause instead of being used for good such as achieving 4K 120fps by rendering at 1080p 60fps and then upscaling+framegen, it's being used in place of optimization to allow unoptimized games that barely reach 30-40 fps at 720p to then reach 1080p 60fps with upscaling+framegen

>>720680679
or to say it differently, it's bad cause instead of being used on top of good standards to achieve new highs, it's being used on top of new lower standards to achieve the old standards

>>720670681 (OP)
>2000 dollar gpu
>input res has to be 720p (or worse) just to get 60 fps
dlss is the funniest shit
jacketman walked away from graphics 5 years ago and people still defend him

>>720675319
Not even your own very eyes see life how its "supposed to look". Like you know how we have blind spots? But we still don't see black voids in our vision. Why? Because your brain is constantly working to fill in the gaps. Your eyes are using DLSS and your brain is the AI lmao.