Thread 720694219

>Game keycard is to protect the the industry
https://automaton-media.com/en/news/nintendos-game-key-cards-and-pricing-are-not-about-greed-ex-capcom-dev-argues-they-are-acting-to-protect-the-industry/

>masakazu sugimori

he composed aa1 so I'll let it slide for now

>>720694219 (OP)
But what about the consumer

>>720694219 (OP)
>P-please give me a job Nintendo Sama!

If "protecting the industry" means taking on anti-consumer practices, then perhaps the industry doesn't need protection, but change.

the industry is trying to sell me the virtual boy AGAIN.

>>720694219 (OP)
>crapcom dev defending soitendo
the video game industry is rotten to the core
BURN IT ALL DOWN

>>720694219 (OP)
I thought this was going to be some stupid ragebait shit with the quote completely taken out of context, but no, this senile boomer is unironically so high on capitalism that he believes this shit. He probably has a Reagan womb tattoo.

>>720694219 (OP)
He’s technically not wrong. From an industry standpoint, it’s good that consumers eventually lose access to what they paid for, forcing them to buy it again further down the line. He’s still a shameless yellow Jew for saying, though.

>>720694513
Consumers are literal bottomfeeding CONSUMERS
who cares

>>720694513
>what about the mindless cattle that bought switch 2's and borderlands 4s en masse
they'll continue to eat shit unabated

I honestly don't care about faggots trying to argue against piracy
Piracy and emulation is fucking necessary because there's so many instances of shit getting fucking lost or deleted because companies completely fuck up their side of things

>>720696653
no company now is gonna throw a game away when they can bring it out again another ten years later

if the ps6 has not disc drive I will just buy games around the 3-5 gen
I buy games off psn sometimes but to lock me from discs will just turn me off

>>720694219 (OP)
>greedy soulless bug businessman praises another greedy soulless bug businessman

>>720694219 (OP)
>it allows for artificial scarcity so we can raise prices and make less games for more money

k. Get fucked, you bastard.

>>720694219 (OP)
Fucking retard.

>>720694219 (OP)
If a game is keycard only for physical versions...I'd rather just get it digitally

>>720694513
Consumers are getting the greatest pieces of art that are being produced today for the low low price of under $80. That's $80 that the consumer can be spending on useless materialistic frivolities like vehicle maintenance, gas, or food and clothing for their children. If that's not being friendly to the consumer, I don't know what is.

>>720694219 (OP)
Nobody is buying games that are just key cards. They are either buying games that has the whole game on cart or downloading the game digitally. They're avoiding key cards like the plague.

>>720694513
Games are not commodity ffs.

>>720694219 (OP)
>Crapcom dev defending Key Cards

>>720694219 (OP)
>if I lick their boots they may offer me a job!

What if there was a really cheap format to produce that could retain up to 50 GB of data if left unplugged for more than 3 years, and with its patents about to expire. It could be optical, even. Imagine...

>>720694219 (OP)
Without Nintendo a lot of Japanese companies would be screwed. Playstation doesn't sell in Japan, it's selling less in the West too. PC just pirates everything so the only chance anything has to succeed is either to create a meme viral friendslop game or make GTA or Fortnite

>>720694604
>Le anti-consumer
Key-cards are the most consumer friendly option out of all they had

>>720694513
Get fucked.

>>720694219 (OP)
>ex Capcom dev
>look up this fucker
>Masakazu Sugimori (杉森 雅和) is a former Capcom employee known for composing the initial entries in the Ace Attorney and Viewtiful Joe series.
>In late 2007 he joined former Capcom sound staff members Atsushi Mori (who frequently works with Sugimori), Kento Hasegawa and Masato Kouda in forming DesignWave. Through this company he has written the music for Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective and contributed a track for the Star Onions and the games Vanquish and Otomedius Excellent.

>Production History
>Capcom
>Breath of Fire IV (2000/2003) -- Program Check
>Gyakuten Saiban (GBA Version) (2001) -- Music
>Viewtiful Joe (2003/2004) -- Composer (Soundtrack & Sound Effects)
>Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (DS Version) (2005) -- Music (Case 1-4 Credits)
>Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective (2010) -- Music
>Professor Layton vs. Ace Attorney (2013) -- Music
>Other games
>Murder by Numbers (2020) -- Music

>>720699320
No.

>>720694513
>>720694604
>consumers get the one possibility that gives them to sell digital games instead of download codes as seen on Switch 1 or PS4
>physicalfags and collectorfags are in fucking shambles because of this autism of muh preservation despite modern games rarely contain all the stored data in the first place (and that you have to hack the console in order to make backups anyway)
>they're also still going with the fearmongering of the purchased digital games being suddenly gone despite that never happened

>>720698425
>Nobody is buying games that are just key cards.
lol
lmao even

>>720694513
What about you? You exist only to get exploited.

I googled game keycards because I didn't know what they were.
>These cartridges will be sold as a key to download a game to the console. There is no game data, just an instruction to download the requested game from the eShop.
So why not just digitally sell the game in the eShop? Why the physical empty cartridge?

>>720699459
I just thought of this one
TheMerchantsMandate.jpg
KEK

>>720700016
>Digital Only release
>Can't be shared, can't be sold, need to be downloaded, there's no physical element to it at all
>Codes in a box
>Basically a digital only release but you get a physical box
>Cloud release
>Digital only release and requires constant internet access to be playable, also not available in all regions
>Key cards
>Can be shared, can be sold, you get a box and a cartridge, only downside is the need of a download
>"WAAAAAHHH I WANT PHYSICAL RELEASES WITH THE FULL GAME ON THE CARTRIDGE"
And that's still an option for everyone, nothing stopping any third party from doing that, or did you expected Nintendo to force them to release games like this?

>>720700429
>Why the physical empty cartridge?
1. A chance to resell the game.
2. Take shelf space.
Those are the only reason to bother with them.

>>720700464
>Can't be shared, can't be sold

They could let you resell digital purchases if they wanted. They choose not to.

Protecting the industry is just corpo speak. It really means colluding with the other major players to fuck the customers in the ass at the same time. That way, there is no alternative and the companies get to indulge in their greed.

>>720694513
Maybe if the consumer boycotted this shitty console you wouldn't be there. Nintendo will continue to do anti-consumer things because they know retard fanboys will keep buying their games and consoles.

>>720700829
But they do, it's called key cards

I'm never gonna buy a GKC, but honestly, what was the other option? The average current gen game is 50GB+

>>720701029
>Nintendo will continue to do """""""""""""""""""anti-consumer""""""""""""""""""" things because they know the average people will keep buying their games and consoles.
ftfy
The sole prevalent cultists these days are the anti-Nintendo fags, who believe everyone is a Nintendo fanboy even their own family

>>720701098
He said you can't sell digital only releases. That's an artificial limitation and not something inherent to digital only.

>The U.S. Copyright Office stated that "[t]he tangible nature of a copy is a defining element of the first sale doctrine and critical to its rationale."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

>>720694219 (OP)
>to-protect-the-industry
protect it from what?
fair prices, property ownership and consumer rights?
not being able to pull off their kike scams?

Digital and Key Cards are faster from internal storage than game cards.

Are they praising Nintendo because it allows disgustingly jewish devs, like Crapcom, to avoid paying the 3 shekels required for a cart and instead fucking the consumers? I'm not sure why jew devs aren't catching the flack for shitty practices when Nintendo just gives them a choice to go game key or real carts.

MicroSD cards are definitely not cheap, not even the NAND flash cards that lose data if left unplugged for three years. They're still cheaper than the genuine ROMs of the pre-GameCube era.

>>720694219 (OP)
Let's see how much it "protects" the industry as people continue to not buy them and retailers get pissed.

>>720701381
Didn't one of the Star Wars Outlaws devs say the game cartridges were too slow in bandwidth for their liking which is why they preferred to stick to digital / key cards instead?

>>720701381
Look buddy, i was a PCfag and gladly dropped top tier performance and flexibility just to have physical games on cart/disc on console. If i have to sacrifice a few more seconds/frames to keep true physical I would in an instant.

>>720701257
No online store allows that, why should I expect it from Nintendo? Key cards are a compromise for people wanting physical games, not for the people doing just fine with digital

>>720694219 (OP)
>Capcom developer Masakazu Sugimori recently stood in Capcom's defense
ftfy, Capcom are using the format for their titles

Some devs are now shitting on the Game-Key Card concept
>They are just shipping empty Switch 2 boxes instead, with a download code

>>720701578
Yup, exactly them. GameCards are 800mbps while internal storage is like 2100mbps
>>720701625
Yeah, its ok and sometimes preferable, but seeing how you can still download wii eshop games from 19 years ago I don't think I will be caring 20 years from now when the games will be pirateable and emulatable by then. And you can sell key cards so being them faster is better right now.

>>720701029
The format is the issue and gkc sales data suggests it is being boycotted

>>720701831
>And you can sell key cards
where is this practiced in execution? who is buying them

>>720701958
>who is buying them
The same people buying second hand games because they want to spend less

>>720701632
>it's the only option they had!
>well no, they had other better options, but innovation would be morally wrong so

Good talk.

>>720701958
Its not like people have a choice when devs only sell key cards anon, there is tons of people who sell after finishing single player games

>>720701232
I have seen verbatim here and in other places shit like "Yeah this practice is bad but I can never hate Nintendo". You guys are genuinely cultists.

>>720694219 (OP)
Bullshit false equivalency. This isn't about physical media decaying. It is about consumers owning their purchases indefinitely and being able to do whatever the fuck they want with them save for selling copies.

>>720702067
Are you retarded? The issue wasn't "people can't resell their games", the issue was "third parties want to cheap out but we still need their games on our console", implementing the ability to resell digital games wouldn't change anything for the people complaining about key cards

>>720702112
Show me where people are reliably buying these used game key cards

>>720702346
>invent an argument talking point in his own head to use as a strawman
>somehow it's the normalfags buying Nintendo products who are deranged, not anon himself

>>720701232
>"May you get caught, and may Nintendo have their way with you."
>Literally any Pokemon thread
lol.

>>720702739
Here, not that you would know about that
frikiplaza.com/

>>720700461
>>720699459
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lylBdgCknH0&list=PLmspJJ91HQR9YgK7clrq6TVwWv7c4zjHq&index=179

>>720694513
Who cares about the consumers when the green line MUST go up at any cost

>>720694219 (OP)
>protecting the industry
>pushes shitty port out the door
>hurts sales and tells fans to fuck off
>share holders crack that whip
>pushes patches and says 'We're sorry, plz buy monster hunter now"
More like cap-KEK

I missed the Switch 2 details and controversy.
Can someone explain what game keys do on the Switch 2?

>>720703472
physical DRM dongle
it's a game cartridge with nothing on it. It basically works as a physical license check. You stick it into your game cartridge slot, you download the game, and then you need to have the game key in the console as a check every time you want to open the game
It's a more restrictive digital copy

>>720703472
Its a physical card that just hold the "key" inside so you put the card on the system and the game is downloaded from internet like a digital game.
You need the card to play just like a physical disk but you can lend or sell it.

>>720703586
>more restrictive digital copy
You can't sell digital games but you can sell KeyCards, how in the fuck you think its more restrictive?

>>720703472
>>720703586
also, people have been shitting on them since they were announced, and Nintendo somewhat recently sent a survey to some people asking about their opinions on game keys, and there were some rumours that the reason they are doing this is that game keys are not selling that well. People might not be falling for it as much as Nintendo had hoped

>>720703682
>You can't sell digital games but you can sell KeyCards
This assertion is not market tested

>>720703835
Are you retarded or just trolling? Very serious question

>>720699685
What does this Japan musician even want for defending corporate malice?

>>720703472
>have more than 1 consoles
>can have any number connected to the internet and one not to have full access to your library anywhere with no hassle
>game keys get introduced
>need an internet connection for both while being hard limited to only 2 consoles at a time
>even though Nintendo onlines family plan covers more than 2 accounts
It's just a worse system than what we had.

>>720703920
The format is flopping across the board

>>720704254
What the shit does it matter? It doesn't change the fact that you can sell/lend a keycard to anyone else.

>>720694513
The japanese are conformist bugmen, so no wonder consumer rights are non-existent.

>>720694440
he also composed ghost trick and viewtiful joe

>>720704332
It matters because in practice the format isn't market tested and isn't being sold to any significant degree. Sony can claim UMD's are a sellable format but it just an assertion. It wasn't market tested and in practice nobody bought them and the format was rightfully discontinued.

>>720702592
Absolute retarded monkey. Does your handler know you're on the computer?

>>720704830
>market tested
What the fuck are you smoking, the format not selling doesn't change how you use it.
You can sell it.
You can lend it.
Jesus Fucking Christ why are you still doing mental gymnastics about this? UMD format failed and you can still buy/sell it.

>>720698534
Have you never played a Resident Evil? They love having you find & use them.

>>720704947
>You can sell it.
For real? How much can I get from selling it?

>>720705106
about tree fiddy

>>720704947
You can't sell something with no buyer retard. Failed formats fail for a reason. Again you're just asserting shit

>>720705106
>>720705184
$3-$28, according to my non-peer reviewed research.

>>720705184
Just look at that
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=psp+games

>>720700086
>lol
>lmao even
https://www.thegamebusiness.com/p/it-was-the-biggest-console-launch
>Although third-party publishers appear to have done slightly better during the launch of Switch 2 compared with Switch 1, it’s hard to describe these statistics as positive.
>Most third-party Switch 2 games posted very low numbers. One third-party publisher characterised the numbers as ‘below our lowest estimates’, despite strong hardware sales.
>It’s also worth noting that almost all of the Switch 2 third-party games were ports of older games. Considering the high cross-over between Switch owners and PlayStation/Xbox players, it’s not unreasonable to suggest that a lot of Switch 2 owners already own these titles.
>What’s more, many of the titles are using ‘Game Key Cards’, which require users to download the game once they’ve put in the cartridge. This has proven unpopular amongst core audiences, who appreciate the plug and play nature of Nintendo Switch. It’s noteworthy that Cyberpunk 2077, the one third-party game that has done reasonable numbers, runs off the cartridge and doesn’t require a download.

No one likes them and they are actively causing sales drops even when factoring in things like being able to play games on other systems or even Switch 1 versions on the Switch 2. Even when the games are exclusive or have exclusive content people are opting out when they're GKCs.

>>720705269
>not in production
>not being sold to any significant degree
zamn you got me

>>720694513
What about them?
If you refuse to buy, they'll just go find someone else who will. There is no "vote with your dollar" since for every 1 person who wasn't interested in buying anyway, there are 3 more who have their wallets ready to go.

>>720705387
>moving the goal post
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAH

By the way, all of this happened because he was quoting some guy wanting to pick a fight on xitter and the journos latched at it.

>>720694219 (OP)
Corporate Japan is fucked

>>720701632
>Key cards are a compromise for people wanting physical games, not for the people doing just fine with digital

The better compromise would be to sell blank game cards and let the user transfer their digital games to those.

>>720704052
You're thinking of digital game cards, not key cards

>>720703081
it's not a strawman if he's right

>>720701381
And so are bluray drives. That's why many PS3 games required an install of frequently used data and PS4/PS5 require a full install of everything. If the speed is a problem for a game the devs just have to include an option for installing it to the faster storage. If it's not a problem, don't bother.
I don't like it when corpos use a minor snag to force us into a major anti-consumer change when a simple solution is right fucking there.

Japanese people are obsessed with the idea that any amount of piracy is going to sink the industry, and actually doesn't help games through word of mouth in a lot of cases.
They're never going to be convinced otherwise, on this stuff.

>>720703081
go to any comment section of videos critical of nintendo, go through any thread on this shithole, you will find these exact replies, you imbecile

>>720705494
>moving the goalposts from >>720704830
so not moved at all

>>720703472
When you put a disk of Lost Odyssey from the Xbox 360 into an Xbox One or Series system it proceeds to download the entire game to your system as a backwards compatible digital version. As long as you have that disk in your system you can play Lost Odyssey, but when the disk is out you can't even though the entirety of the game is on your hard drive/SSD. Nothing is copied off of the disk, the version of the game you are playing is not on the disk, and you have to download the game off of Microsoft's servers in order to play the game.

Game Key Cards are the exact same thing. There is nothing on the cartridge itself whatsoever except a form of permission for your Switch 2 to download that game to it. You have to be online and download the game, and even though you have an entire digital copy of the game downloaded to your system you need to have the cartridge in your system to play it. At least in the Lost Odyssey example that disk actually does contain data for the 360 version for an actual 360 system.

It's takes the worst aspects of both physical and digital ownership and wraps them into a waste of money that neither side wants.
>Takes up space on your system because it has to download the full game which is especially a problem on the Switch 2 when it only internally has 256GB and an SDEX at bare minimum is $50 for 256 and like $200 for 1TB when games are nowadays 50GB+.
>Costs as much as actual physical games do that have the games on the cartridge.
>Requires you to be online to even obtain the game because it's a downloaded digital copy.
>Requires you to take up the cartridge slot in your system to play it even though it's a fully downloaded copy.
>Does not get tied to any account like a digital copy.
>Can only play the latest released version (Because it's a download), not the original release like a true physical copy could meaning if there's some positive exploit you can't use it.
It's complete garbage and all the major 3rd parties cheap out.

>>720705441
The cynic in me would have been inclined to agree, but we are seeing something else in the numbers. Right now gaming has a LOT of problems, we've been through digital only, DRM, aggressive bullshit DLC/season passes, "woke" (even if you want to define it as "shit I don't like), etc. etc. and the net result has been companies all sweating bullets because the line ain't going up. Implies that consumers are in fact voting with their wallets, it's just when you do 10 shitty things to them all at once, it's rather hard to pin it down to just 1 cause.
I always like to point out to people the time delay effect. It's nice and convenient when it goes:
Company does shitty thing -> massive backlash -> total collapse
But that rarely happens. Most of the time it's more like:
Company does shitty thing -> moderate backlash -> company does shittier thing -> silent majority sits it out -> company blames everyone but themselves for their lack of sale.

>>720703682
the key is virtually useless when nintendo shuts down the game store in ten years

>>720705987
I don't think they actually believe that. E-book stores offer tons of free books to get people interested. They know word of mouth works, they just want absolute control on what and when. Same autism their artists have with deleting their shit.

>>720694219 (OP)
>>720703472
game key cards are better than code in a box, but they are still bad for the consumer

at least all first party games are still physical for now, but dunno if that will change in the future

>>720700086
>nintendo cuts off access to download game
>keycard useless

>>720706458
They are not better than a code in a box because at least with the code in a box you have a code that gets tied to your account instead of a digital copy that is tied to a physical object. You have way more convenience and freedom with the code in a box and all you gain with a GKC is the ability to resell it while losing all the convenience of a digital copy despite being one.

>>720705269
I was asking about GKC

>>720706338
It's funny because Nintendo may have wasted more money on law suits and copyrights than gaining from people who buy games when piracy isn't available.

>>720706247
Nintendo does so many shitty things, why do you retards insist on making shit up? Even now, you can boot up a Wii that you purchased something on and download that title. Same with the Wii U, same with the 3DS. They maintain those servers in a diminished capacity well beyond the lifespan of the console because that's standard practice. If you want to bitch about Nintendo's digital practices, bitch about them tying purchases to the specific console, and not honoring cross purchasing. Bitch about their shitty UI, their garbage storefront, their ridiculous pricing, you don't have to pretend they are going to do something they haven't done in the past.

>>720706583
No, Key Cards are objectively better than code in a box, because you can sell them. That's something you can't do with digital.
I'm not even defending Key Cards. I think they are shit, and lots of people seem to think so since Key Card games are not selling well while Cyberpunk apparently is doing really well.

But the point is that it's a different option.
What you're arguing isn't Code in a box vs Key Card, what you're arguing is Digital vs Key Card.

After using the code in the box, you're left with a completely useless plastic and the same digital version you could've bought from home. At that point, just buy the digital version and save yourself a ride to the store.
The only reason code in a box is a thing is for grandma to be able to gift a game.

>>720694219 (OP)
hes right
>high prices keeps the poor (black) people out of gaming
>less poor people = less whining
>less black people = better games
hes 100% right on all fronts.
poor people and minorities shouldnt be allowed to participate in the hobby until theyve proven they can succeed in life first.

>>720707167
From that standpoint then sure, I agree, but the end goal of code in a box is ultimately that it gives you a digital copy. The GKC is giving you a digital copy that you can resell that requires the GKC to use at all. It's extra steps for a worse version whose sole benefit is the ability to resell while missing out on the benefits digital has like convenience and not needing a thing in your cartridge slot to run it.

Sure, you end up with a useless piece of plastic with a code in a box, but with a GKC you functionally have piece of plastic that makes you jump through hoops.

>>720694219 (OP)
Since I didn't get a switch 2 I still have no clue what those keycards are supposed to be.

>>720707173
he says practicing hood rich nigger shit

>>720704830
>>720705184
>Failed formats fail for a reason
Sony wanted UMDs to be universal (hence the name), that's why it is a failed format.
But for all intents and purposes
>UMD == PSP games
You can still buy used PSP games to this day, even though you can't buy digital PSP games anymore.

>>720707493
i get what you're saying but there's some UMD movies out there
but yeah, those only work on a psp

>>720707167
They don't need to be because nintendo could just as easily set up an aftermarket digital store.

>>720707857
>aftermarket digital store
does such a thing exist in the video game space
not even steam allows you to resell your games

>>720706871
ultimately, people who buy games are going to buy them because they can't be bothered to learn how to pirate, or have no idea it's even a thing.
Pirating movies and TV is about the easiest thing in the world, and people still pay for Netflix because it's a convenience charge. Companies need to calm down, and realise all the militantism does is aggravate a particular portion of their fanbase.
Often these are the people who buy the most shit anyway. They're the hardcore fans who want to own the game, and then play it on an emulator, and then play mods, and then they're going to visit all of the dumbass Nintendo theme parks and stuff, and buy a bunch of plastic crap.

>>720705335
Correlation doesn't mean causation.

>>720694219 (OP)
i'm starting to wonder if i should have order my 3DS games digitally instead of physically due to them dying overtime. well one did.

>servers go down
>keycard becomes useless
>lose keycard
>digital game locked from play

I dont understand what these idiots think the market for this obvious scam is.

>>720694604
"Anti-consumer" does not mean "what I don't like"

>>720694219 (OP)
>wont sombody PLEASE think about the most profitable entertainment industry in the world????

>>720705987
To be fair they are right. There hasn't been a confirmed instance of piracy helping a game sell.

>>720708926
Okay, then explain why people aren't buying game keys.

>>720694219 (OP)
Now you know why he's ex

>>720694513
Its entertainment media
The consumer has to decide for himself what hes willing to pay.
If you don't want to pay 70$ for a switch 2 game, or for a game key cart game, thats fine. No one is forcing you to.

Nintendo is not to blame, Nintendo customers are.

>>720700086
Leave it to a tendiecuck to justify an online requirement for a physical cartridge

You know, there's something I don't get.
If Nintendo was concerned about prices, why didn't they take the route of making a digital only console?
And if that wasn't a good idea, why wouldn't they just go for the idea of digital versions being the previous retail price and the physicals being the same? They could chalk it up to covering physical goods costs. It wouldn't be ideal, but it'd have been something.

>>720694513
who? LMAO

>>720694219 (OP)
I really don't get the controversy from the game key cards. Very few games are released without massive day 1 patches these days, so whatevers on the disc/cartridge is largely irrelevant anyway. At least I can trade these things in or give them to friends when I'm done with them.

>>720714312
>If Nintendo was concerned about prices, why didn't they take the route of making a digital only console
Because they also want their games to sell. Contrary to all of the misleading charts that include digital only games in their count digital games don't sell anywhere near as well as physical games.
That's also why game keys aren't selling.
>why wouldn't they just go for the idea of digital versions being the previous retail price and the physicals being the same
Because retailers would immediately threaten them with legal action for undercutting.

>>720714395
>Very few games are released without massive day 1 patches these days,
Most Nintendo games don't have day one patches.

>>720698425
I bought the Bravely Default remake for £20 in a store because it was inexplicitly cheaper than the digital download.

>>720714437
Probably a good thing that Nintendo aren't using the game key cards then huh. How's that working for third party games, Xbox games and PS5 games?

>>720714437
Good for Nintendo.

I legit can't remember the last time I bought a game for PS5 that didn't have a 3-5gb day one patch.

>>720714437
Bro I just bought BotW Switch 2 edition and it came with a fucking patch

>>720714619
Yeah a game from 2017 that had dlc is kind of expected to have a patch.

>>720714761
Nigga it's literally labeled as a NS2 edition game that just has the S1 version on it

>>720694513
Consumers have done nothing but mindlessly do what they do best and destroy the industry for the past decade.

>>720715025
>that just has the S1 version on it
Now think about why it would have a patch.

>>720694513
This board sucks Nintendo's cock so hard that it should never be taken seriously. The executives could literally go around raping and killing and fags here would make excuses for them

>>720715209
You mean like that Sony CEO who raped little boys that they always defend?

>*stops giving you money*

It's that easy.

>>720715145
Why label it as a NS2 edition game if it's just the S1 version and requiring a massive patch. Are you fucking stupid?

>>720715520
Are you? It's been like that for every next gen version for five fucking years.

>>720714395
>I really don't get the controversy from the game key cards
A lot of people don't seem to understand/know that bluray discs basically work the same way, sure they're physical but they install the game on Playstation and the PS checks if it's legit. Gamekeys work the same way. Which means there's like tens of millions out there that never owned PS3/PS4/PS5. Nintendo fans not knowing is understandable but it seems like there's a lot more out there that haven't owned a Playstation since PS1/PS2

>>720715642
>Nintendo fans not knowing is understandable
How do you people exist?

>>720694219 (OP)
>PLEASE NINTENDO GIVE ME A JOB, I SUCK YOU LONG TIME!!!!

pathetic..

>>720716217
Tens of millions stuck with Nintendo/PC, some PC only. Why would they know how PS3-PS5 worked?

>>720694219 (OP)
>BREAKING: Neo-Nazi agrees with Hitler

>>720694513
They can decide if the price fits for them, don't like buy a PS5 and play.. wait that has no games, or you could buy a Xbox and play... wait that has no games either.
Fuck you're stuck
Maybe petition SONY and Microsoft to start making games?

>>720694513
>what about the consumer
SHUT UP GOY, YOU DON'T MATTER YOU FUCKING BIGOT, YOU ANTI-SEMITE. NOW GO BUY MORE GAME KEY CARDS OR I'LL REPORT YOU FOR ECONOMIC TERRORISM

>>720701257
>He said you can't sell digital only releases. That's an artificial limitation and not something inherent to digital only
OYYYYYYYY VEYYYYYYY you anti-semite. how dare you demand the right to actually own and resell digital games. you disgusting thief, you dirty pirate, you anti-semite!

>>720694219 (OP)
cool,. gonna keep not buying them and getting my games elsewhere then

>>720715360
Nigger did anyone here defend that? Do you have any evidence?

>>720694219 (OP)
Protect the industry from what? People buying games?

>>720694219 (OP)
Protect the industry against what, the customer actually owning his games?

>>720694513
Consumers are cattle to be exploited

>>720696821
Complete BS, there are probably tens of thousands of games out there that were never a big enough success to warrant any further attention in the future and if not for community efforts for compatibility, emulation and indeed DRM breaking all those games would never see the light of day again.

Yeah sure, maybe in the year 2100 Nintendo is going to release a re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-remaster of Animal Crossing and Mario Kart because they sold a bajillion units, but everything else is going to be dead and buried if left up to them.

>>720717564
>against what, the customer actually owning his games?
Yes.

>>720701578
That's retarded BS meant to trick idiots. They could still provide the full game on the cartridge but then require a copy from the cartridge to internal storage, like you have to install from optical discs because they're too slow to play directly. They prefer the game key card because you have no control over your purchase with that one.

>>720718135
Yeah I thought so, I shan't be paying for any of these things.

>>720694219 (OP)
>Ex Crapcom Ninpedo defends Jewtendo

>>720714068
The post literally states that most games on game key cards so far are ports of old games.

>>720694513
the what?

>>720694219 (OP)
I mean GKC are only a thing because third parties cried for them... You shouldn't be surprised that they are defending it.

>excrapcom
>tendo
Wow, trying really hard to not make me care ;/

>>720699320
Apart from, you know
Cards

>>720694219 (OP)
This seems less of a big deal now that we know 3DS games were designed to fail after only 10 years. NIntendo has been a shit company since they scuttled the gamecube in its prime.

>>720694219 (OP)
After actually reading, rising costs to an extent are an issue with developers/publishers themselves, these things are avoidable.

>>720720006
Most non-volatile flash memory is rated for about 10 years, it's not some evil Nintendo conspiracy to destroy your games . Anyways I went through my entire 50+ game DS/3DS collection recently and all of them still played and saved just fine and I have not touched some of these in a very long time. Just power on your games every few years and make sure they work.

>>720720006
why do you retards love to spout bullshit like this

>>720719770
Yeah, and you know what else? Those cards aren’t even actual ownership. You're just holding the license ticket like some kind of digital hall pass. They can still revoke it remotely or lock it behind some update. It’s like buying a burger and being told you can’t eat it unless you’re online.

>>720705919
it's frustrating just how overlooked this option is