Thread 720718958

>the meta looks stupid as shit but is actually very effective

What game?

did whiteys really just walk in a line while facing guns

>>720718958 (OP)
Just spam tanks lol. Who spammed tanks more wins

>>720718994
Did brownies really all get conquered and colonized by that

>>720718994
>doesn't know how to parry bullets
the absolute state of /v/

>>720719046
>jobs to DA HORNS
huh wat u mean cracka

>>720719068
Yeah, they cut it out of the Roworth manual because they didn't want any of those damn foreigners to learn that technique.

>>720718994
>its not walking into gunfire that angers and confuses the shitskin, we have ample evidence of that
>its doing so in an orderly line

>>720719128
AIEEEEE

>>720719128
But whitey infamously blew Zulucels the fuck out.

>>720718994
seething bongs boiling
Chadpoleon mogged them BECAUSE he wasn't a retard who fought with lines

>>720719261
Battle of Waterloo

>>720719128
>First fight against Zulu
>Expect them to zergrush you like rest of the Africans, but these niggas can flank
>Point some extra guns on flanks the next time and demolish them
The fact that Africans have to keep pointing to a single battle they won out of thousands is proof enough of their incompetence.

>>720718994
everyone that didnt do this lost horribly

>>720719287
Didn't Napoopan only lose that because one of his generals turned traitor, or am I thinking of a pre comeback tour incident?

>>720719261
>Now listen here Sharpe, you've got ten men to reclaim half of Spain from the frogs and the damn dagos aren't going to do it themselves, so bloody well hop to it.
>Right you are, sir.
What did he mean by this?

>>720719287
>beat a guy who was fighting with scraps and stilling beating you back 5 to 1
lol nice "win" bongs

>>720719261
That's not true at all.

>>720718958 (OP)
There's no difference between this and the large open field battles of before with cavalry and pikes and swords. The guns were shit, short ranged, inaccurate, and only shot once. Yet nothing else compared or rivaled the lethality of a firing line in open field battle. It's only when artillery was widely used in WW1 that all open field battle stopped being a thing.

>>720719261
>citing the guy who very famously got blown out by the bongs

>>720718958 (OP)
>>720718994
>did whiteys really just walk in a line while facing guns
Yes, america had to save EU/England in ww1 + ww2 and created modern land/air/sea warfare

>>720719261
1.) Yes he did
2.) "Chad"poleon mainly mogged Austrians. If anything, it was the Russians and the Bongs (and the Iberians by proxy) who fought against him asymmetrically.

>>720719374
Who, Sharpe? He knew his superior was being unreasonable, but understood that complaining about an effective death sentence was a good way to get an actual death sentence.

>>720719367
He lost because the British managed to hold the line for 12 hours straight, allowing for the Prussians who had been held up with their own battle to arrive on time. Thought that too is a gross oversimplification of Waterloo.

>>720719374
>and Sharpe, you'll be far more entertaining with those 10 men and using the same 8 extras over and over again than a big budget hollywood Ridley Scott film ever would be.

>>720719546
It's really astonishing how a zero budget TV series held together with a miniscule cast, masking tape and string is still so fucking kino compared to most comparable period pieces that came before and since.

>>720719374
>>720719546
I really need to get around to watching sharpe...

>>720719751
you can start now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS93tpv2HoI

Here's forty shillings on the drum.

>>720719414
To be fair, WW1 was still a firing line, just inside the trenches and the line infantry was mostly replaced with machine gun nests. Of course massed artillery and functional air powers now rendered it all but obsolete come WW2.

>>720720018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzTPu9ChVDc&list=RDmzTPu9ChVDc&start_radio=1

>>720719424
Sovjet are the ones that saved us from WW2, america barely did anything

>>720719414
>>720720021
WWI was a bizarre war that went through wild transformations. The first confirmed kill on the British side was allegedly from a cavalry sword of all things.

>>720719954
well shoot, guess I will
cheers anon

>>720718994
One of the reasons as I understand was to defend against cavalry charges. When packed you can raise a wall of spears or something similar to stop cavalry while lone soldiers would get wiped out.

>>720718994
>break up formation
>get run down by cavalry

>>720719029
Isnt it tanks and dogs, since the dogs can tank the opposing tanks

>>720720139
There was a stretch basically from crimea to the start of ww1 where advances in military technology rapidly outpaced advances in military tactics. By the time militaries adapted to the last war new technologies were redefining war all over again.

>>720718958 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmjEKlmzvt8

>>720718994
We don't really know how they fought during the Tartarian reclamation

>>720720130
Yeah but how many hollywood movies did they get?

>>720719954
>>720720216
If this link happens to be blocked in your country (like it is for me), there's also this playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnPRtxn3x5XYDkEcF4M70OTO4Dq5lTNll

>>720719424
>america had to save EU/England in ww1 + ww2 and created modern land/air/sea warfare
Pick up a history book not a Hollywood movie.

>>720719954
> the uploader has not made this video available in your country
fukken limeys

>>720718994
Like two dozen african warring kingdoms were brought to their knees by whitey boom-boom lines, it's extremely effective.
Those weapons couldn't hit the large side of a barn from a distance beyond a stone's throw distance, you had to compensate with numbers and mass volleys.

>>720718958 (OP)
Any medieval fighting game. Mordhau, Chivalry, Warband, Bannerlord. These games can't help themselves to devolve into sweaty tryhard strats. Spinbacks, jumptwists, parryspam, slingslash. Bro dont u kno how to slimslam?? GIT GOOD LMAO!!! You have to invest 8 hours and enter this dogshit swamp of tutorial videos in order to play properly, or you just get dominated on some servers. Go ahead. Post get good at me.

>>720720485
Enemy at the Gates?

>>720718958 (OP)
play war of rights. playing in lines actually matters somewhat

The concept of line infantry was also a thing was because while you can definitely shoot a man from a few meters away, the accuracy dramatically drops when fields of engagement are a few kilometers wide, so you need lines of musketeers or riflemen to shoot volleys of lead against the opposing army.

>>720718958 (OP)
Spinning in Dark souls 2

>>720720584
Try >>720720558

>>720719414
>short ranged, inaccurate, and only shot once
Wow, I'm impresses you managed to something so brave and wrong.

YOU LOST THE COLOURS OF THE KING OF ENGLAND

>>720720786
MAJOR LENNOX ANSWERED WITH HIS LIFE!

>>720720669
To say nothing of the smoke caused by black powder firearms that would probably make long distance targetting a nightmare anyway.

>>720718958 (OP)
In Tarkov, the way to fight scavs(NPC enemies) is to expose your entire body to them. The AI in the game aims at the portion of your body that is exposed, so if you peek around corners like any other FPS game, the NPCs will, without fail, turn around and headshot you with nearly 100% efficiency if you do not immediately kill them.

Against players, unless you are using extremely rare and expensive ammunition(which is most people and most of the time), the meta was to spray the legs of players. Forget aiming for head and torso, because those areas have shielding. But the legs, you can't get any protection for there, so the most reliable way to kill a player was to spray the legs.

>>720719424
Burgers were meaningless in WW1 aside from moral support.

>>720720130
Who do you think gave them the weapons and food for that? Without Burger and Anglo support they would have had huge issues.

>>720720786
>>720720814
>Said Sir Arthur, calmly.

>>720720669
There is zero benefit to volleys compared to fire at will. It’s literally just less bullets when you’re waiting between shots. Ive studied line warfare in the 1800s extensively, they were marching inefficiently.

>>720720820
That too. It would take tremendous discipline to maintain a consistent cadence through all that smoke especially when it's ten of thousands of troops firing at each other. Nevermind the near defeaning bangs of gunfire.

>>720720874
Morale collapse is pretty much the only way anyone lost ww1. It's why the Russians buckled and why the Germans lost.

>>720718958 (OP)
>looks stupid
You mean looks incredibly kino, Line formation advancing through the smoke as the pipes play knowing your brothers in arms would lay down their life for king and country. God, what a time it was.

>>720718958 (OP)
why don't we have pitch battle anymore? drone warfare is gay as fuck

>>720721193
>why aren't people fed into meat grinders any more
c'mon

>>720721193
Because people are fucking cowards and are gay.
It's been like 3 years and I've yet to see a kursk or stalingrad level engagement out of the russia/ukranian war. It's tiny skirmishes and firefights or drones dropping grenades on a few guys. Modern warfare is so boring.

>>720720832
Best part is that the AI tracks you in cover too for a bit.
So if your peak out and they spot you they track your head. But if you go back into cover only to then walk out it still remains locked on your head.

>>720721094
>and why the Germans lost.
Yeah, eh, being blockaded to shit did a lot of it too.

>>720721402
I didn't know that part. God that's so fucking dumb, it has to be deliberate.

>>720718958 (OP)
Imagine being fodder

>>720721094
>Morale collapse is pretty much the only way anyone lost ww1.
Yes kinda but it is arguable how much the burgers mattered there.
In stark contrast to WW2 where their manufacturing capability made it basically unwinnable for germany.

>>720719374
Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain
King George commands and we obey
Over the hills and far away...

>>720721371
>Because people are fucking cowards and are gay.
Especially the turd world countries that are engaged in conflcits right now. Didn't the afghani troops prove themselves to be complete cowards folding to the taliban the instant the US pulled out?

>>720719954
>the uploader has not made this video available in your country
>France
Et bah allez vous faire foutre. Je vous emmerde TOUS, voila.

>>720719192
l raffed

>>720721459
>deliberate
I wouldn't bet on that with tarkov, they have tons of issues with legacy code.
That only became truly known after people modded SPT and tried to change bot behavior to circumvent it.

>>720719424
>created modern ... warfare
Americans did do that, but during their Civil war.

>>720721531
They never had their hearts in it. It's hard to keep rented mall cops loyal when they're paid peanuts and don't personally disagree with the aggressors coming in to take over. A public knowing their regime is a puppet for foreign parties invokes eye-rolling and little incentive to die for them anyway.

>>720719424
Mutts were completely fucking irrelevant in WW1 and at best hastened the march to Berlin by the real army by a few months.
>created modern land/air/sea warfare
That was the Germans. Both with stormtrooper tactics returning maneuver warfare and combined arms in WW2 with dedicated panzer corps and air barrages coordinating to break lines and exploit.

war and peace is a fascinating read because a lot of it is just slice of life at the front of the franco-russian war during this age of muskets and cannons. Highly recommend it, it's a great book

>>720721193
because artillery exists

>>720721517
>Smugs in Yorkie

>>720720874
>>720721094
>>720721479
The Germans were stretched to the very far end. The government had already fallen, the military was ruling the empire at that point. America won the war just by joining, because it tipped the scale. The Germans simply chose not to way it play out.

>WW2
The industrial capacity of the USA is something truly unimaginable.
>average time for building a Liberty ship from scratch at the height was 3 days
>heavy bombers leaving a factory every couple of minutes
>produced enough tanks for themselves and every other ally
>replaced ship faster than the Japanese could sink them
The Germans were really fucking proud of their factories producing "dozens" of heavy vehicles over the course of months while American factories would be tossing those out by the day.

And that's why they are so scared of China right now. Because the USA can't mass produce shit on their own, and China's navy grows by the size of a Royal Navy every 4 years.

>>720721810
well the British didn't have many people left to fight from 1820 to 1900, King George and Queen Victoria were killing it during that era. The Americans had the wild west and the civil war at that point, which showed everyone the rifle, and also there were a lot of naval changes at that point too

>>720721531
Don't forget the ISIS take over of Iraq as well. The US loaned billions of dollars worth of equipment and vehicles that the iraqi army just fucking abandoned the moment they head ISIS was going to besiege their cities.

>>720721953
Well, at least the right people were made slightly richer. Stop asking who that was.

>>720721952
>well the British didn't have many people left to fight from 1820 to 1900
They did but when you've got the world's best navy and the enemy are using pre-industrial vessels that would've been laughed out of the age of sail you really don't have to try very hard.

>>720721569
I know you're secretly ducos. you won't get sharpe that easily

>>720721531
>>720721953
I love those videos of bazaars in Afganistan where a humble shopkeep has rows and piles of US military equipment that costs thousands of dollars apiece and you can buy for pocket change.

>>720721569
See >>720720558
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZegw3Otpkc

>>720721810
>created modern warfare

>>720721110
I learned that the British consider jeets to be niggers thanks to those books.

>>720722449
>wiley oriental gentleman
Is probably the politist perjorative slur you could reasonably conceive.

>>720722492
I take it you haven't read them, or those are reprints that have toned it down somewhat.
They were quite frequently referred to as niggers during the first book.

>>720718958 (OP)
>>720718994
I've always had a hard time believing this was real. And if it was real people were not just retarded and we sanewash their incompetence here in the future - like it's not the first or last time officers treated rank and file like expendables while being callous morons that hide from the worst of it. And a lot of the excuses looking into it don't sound very convincing.

HOWEVER, double checking with chatGPT yet again there is 2 notes that seem important.
1. "sitting there and getting shot" as you see in the movies was actually a lot less lethal than you'd expect. People living this reality would learn from experience that even if you're in the front death zone you can actually walk away from an absorbed volley with some maiming if you're lucky. Modern guns make this seem improbable.

2. The goal, like most warfare, was really a game of chicken and wills to see who broke first. When a line formation did what is natural and started individually running away and hiding for cover that's when a more organized enemy formation could run in with bayonet charge and really start killing. Again, veteran experience would eventually teach that running is counterintuitively more suicidal than just sitting there and taking it.

>>720722789
>were people just retarded?!
It was a matter of literal life and death anon lol, I don't think they were just being lazy.. The victor got all the busty slaves, the riches, and the land, and the defeated was brought to heel. people were very serious about it back then, I'm sure

>>720721531
the afghani troops did the best they possibly could have under circumstances where the americans abjectly failed to prepare them.

the americans refused to accept that afghan troops were of a lower quality despite literally decades of evidence and insisted on trying to implement a highly mobile doctrine based on air power and helicopters (despite afghanistan having no capacity to maintain those helicopters). obviously, this collapsed immediately.

the point is not that the afghans dindu nothing or that they were great soldiers, they weren't. but the vast majority of them did want to defend their democracy and were willing to fight to do it, even when the corrupt shitfuck government that americans installed wasn't paying them.

maybe if america did everything right afghans still wouldn't have been up to the challenge, but we'll never know, because america failed afghanistan so badly that afghanistan never had a fucking chance. america failed afghanistan. america lost the war.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/the-other-afghan-women

>>720722789
>double checking with chatGPT
lol

>>720722789
never trust chatgpt or any other llms for that matter

but yes it was mainly about scaring off the enemy. Warfare always has been about accomplishing something, whether that is taking a fortified position, taking land in general or something else.

European military observers were supposedly horrified at the death tolls in the American civil war because the americans did not charge with their bayonets after firing a few volleys, instead they just reloaded and shot again. This lead to way more casualties as soldiers weren't running away

>>720722986
Soldier boy didn't get a piece of land and harem, he got his paycheck and his pig wife at home alongside good memories of rape abroad maybe. LoL it wasn't antiquity.

>>720723614
soldier boy wasn't designing military strategy

>>720719424
Why did he just let himself get run over?

>>720720558
Based

>>720718958 (OP)
>If my soldiers were to begin to think, not one of them would remain in the army.

>>720724298
where else was he meant to go anon..

>>720719424
Did he died?

>>720718958 (OP)
K-style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppSU5xeEMdU

>>720721371
Bakhmut, you utter retard. And guess why there hasn't been anything comparable since? Because that battle destroyed the entire army unit that "won".

>>720724468
>>720724537
I like how in Sharpe even all the elite chosen men are ex-cons, criminals who were given the soldier career option as an alternative to prison or the gallows or simply had never had a chance to be anything else.

>>720724693
nah he'll be okay.

>>720724719
this game was so fun

>>720724738
Bakhmut is tiny compared to the battles he mentioned. It's like Stalingrad in miniature.

>>720718958 (OP)
>>720718994
>>720719424
Were white people really like this?

>>720724738
Seems like skill issue then. In WW2, the soviets were literally having battles that involved millions of troops, thousands of artillery pieces and tens and thousands of t-34s charging at the germans. Never mind constant air raids from IL-2s that they carpeted the entire sky.
Modern warfare is such a far cry compared to the grand scope of WW2.

>>720724940
it's not for lack of trying, anon. Back then such tactics were effective because there were no computers, so you had to rely on artillery commanders and generals to actively retarget and reroute troops etc. Nowadays you have automated artillery guns that just shoot at like a shell a second within a certain GPS monitored kill zone. One artillery piece could probably kill 60 - 100 tanks in one minute if it was a WW2 style assault. That of course says nothing about modern air defenses

>>720724912
yeah this is what we were like before we got civilized by romans

>>720719424
We never should have joined ww1. Brits and Frenchies should have fucking dealt with it themselves.
>>720720130
America gave a shit ton of supplies through lend lease program to soviets. German memoirs mention them starving while the soviets had canned food MRE, etc, from America. Without that, supplies would have a lot more of a grind on the Eastern front, with Soviets just throwing under supplies forces at Germans.
>>720721906
Yes, this is true, USA produces a shit ton. HOWEVER.
>China navy
Untested. PLAN could be absolute shit and fall flat. Most "combat" the Chinese navy has had was against fucking South Vietnam, and currently their coast guard just fucking with poor fisherman. They just copy designs and shit them out. Quality is prob lacking in my opinion.
>Royal Navy
A joke of its former itself. Kind of crazy how such a powerful navy is not even a shell, more like a husk of its former self.

>>720725309
You would think that american intelligence must know something about the actual capabilities of the Chinese despite them not being in a modern war. That said, after having recently been in Taiwan where there are tanks and F16s everywhere, hopefully those cute women aren't threatened by some territorial war nonsense

>>720719381
You admitted defeat the moment you decided to bullshit statistics.
Wasn't even 2:1 and the British lost less.

>>720725469
More to the point the British had to hold off the French forces for like half a day before the Prussians were able to join the battle since Napoleon had attempted a divide and conquer approach.

>>720725461
any plane nerds in here? Why is Taiwan using F16s instead of something better? I see that they have upgraded to F16Vs, but are those really comparable to whatever fighters China would be fielding?

>>720724912
back when we was based pagens before the jews

>>720720616
High yield truth nuke. Cool games in theory completely ruined by the winning strat always being retarded spinshit abusing the game logic

>>720725309
>>720725461
the inevitable invasion of taiwan will be the moment of proof for the chinese military, either they fail and the chinese are relegated to having a force that can fight a foe to a standstill at best for the next half century or they will finally be a true superpower

>>720718994
ytbois conquered the entire globe using that method

>>720724912
No, this movie might as well be fantasy.

>>720720616
Even if this weren't the case, I can't help but feel like all medieval multiplayer games still end up with terrible communities.

>>720718958 (OP)
Starcraft, it looks dumb as fuck suiciding a worker into the enemy base a minute into the match while making two or three basic troops who just sit in the base but I guess you gotta do it so you don't get rushed.

>>720718958 (OP)
>>720719261
>>720718994
>>720719424
>slowly walks towards the enemy without taking any cover
Did white people really?

>>720720130
the commies never saved anybody, it's like somebody showing up in the middle of a rape, killing the rapist and then raping the victim himself

>>720725991
>did wh-ACK!

Do you think we'll ever get a director as good as Kubrick in our lifetimes?

>>720722789
shitposting art

>>720719424
Nigga, if you said America saved the pacific, I would have agreed but the Eastern Front is a whole nother level shit you dont want to be in. around 10 million troops battled there and I don't America could sustain that much troops over the pacific ocean.

>>720726069
lol

>>720726069
This is modded rome 2 right? I should reinstall maybe..

>>720725461
Agreed. War is le bad. I think most of the time it's just a stare off and posturing game.
>>720725831
Yeah, it's what everything has been basically been moving towards. I see it happening as a wet fart though desu. Which is probably for the best, avoiding an all out total war. Posturing for a while, and then Taiwan goes the Hong Kong route. OR maybe China invades, is unable to take fast enough, and stands down before the USA can mobilize fully.

>>720725309
>>720719424

>We never should have joined ww1. Brits and Frenchies should have fucking dealt with it themselves.
American contribution to WW1 was irrelevant. The small number of untrained, inexperienced american soldiers was not worth the financial drain on French war economy to arm and equip them, since the US only provided their troopers with rifles.
As for WW2, America mostly just used its industrial capacity to supply the soviets. The one actual contribution was defeating Japan, but Japan was almost as weak as Italy, thanks to terribly outdated doctrine.

America just isn't good at war, as seen with Vietnam and Afghanistan. You just have infinite money and used to have great industrial capability, which helps compensate the ineptitude and incompetence of your officers, and the lack of courage and initiative of your soldiers.

Militarily speaking, it's obvious America is not a Western or White nation. You are yet another failed, bloated multicultural empire like so many others before.

>>720726446
it's vanilla

>>720718958 (OP)
>>720718994
Why didn't they just walk around the line? Were they stupid?

>>720720130
America gifted the soviets a bunch of free fuel and equipment.

>>720721193
>>720721371
Have you never seen /v/'s D-Day threads?
Anyone who wants pitched battles can go play 100 man PvPs instead without putting life at risk anyway.

>>720723227
the good side won the afghan war, i.e the taliban. fuck you and your dogshit empire, get fucked american dog

>>720726772
Probably because that's how you get mowed down by cavalry and/or artillary.

>>720727010
who are you talking to?

>>720727215
you, lamenting that "muh democracy didn't prevail" in afghanistan.

ITT: browns and americans (but I repeat myself) seething at Europe for having dominated military history and conquered the entire globe.

>>720726189
>nigga
>and I don't America could sustain that much troops over the pacific ocean
Low IQ brown ESLery and stating the completely wrong front aside, America was the one that sustained the fucking Soviets AND the British to begin with. All while dealing with the entire Pacific front. And did so while also fielding fucking ice cream barges. Logistics is the LAST fucking thing anyone can claim America is lacking in.
>But they wouldn't be willing to spare that many troops or take that many losses!
They wouldn't take that many losses because the troops wouldn't be the fucking Soviets and also wouldn't be executing vast swathes dissidents while disguising them as KIA like Stalin and his cronies did.

>>720727010
okay abdul

>>720723227
The afghani troops did not fire a single shot when the talibans took over what sort of zogbot copium are you huffing?

As for 'defending their democracy', not one of them wanted that you brainwashed retard. They made surveys in the areas controlled by the coalition, and more than 90% answered they wanted sharia law.

>>720727343
oh, okay.

>>720719261
Wellington dabbed on Napoleon at Waterloo specifically because he used squares instead of lines. What alternate timeline are you from?

>>720718994
That's how you won fights back in the day. Rule of thumb for thousands of years is that the side that breaks formation first loses.

>>720721879
>That file name.
You, sir, are a gentleman.

>>720726537
So, what are you? The asses we kicked, the asses we saved, or some irrelevant thirdworld shithole that I can't point to on a map and couldn't find a reason to do so if I tried?

>>720727010
Oh, man, you're a fucking SEAthing SEAmonkey, aren't you?
What got your panties in a bunch? Did an American tourist hurt your pride by picking a different ladyboy over you?

>>720725831
the US should just invade Taiwan to fuck with China

I have never even heard of Horse Guards, and I have nothing but enemies at court.

>>720727805
On a side note Wellington almost caused a revolution and the destruction of the British Empire as a politician

>>720718994
how the fuck does bait this simple get so many replies jesus christ

I love Sharpe posting

>>720728645
true anon we should just talk about le joos instead

>>720728539
But did you win back the King's Colours? Or capture an Imperial Eagle?

>>720719424
What movie is this?

>>720728597
Was beef and mushroom sauce inside pastry really that divisive at the time?

>>720728597
Wartime leaders are rarely good during peace time, Churchill had the same problem.

>>720728791
Dunno, he was an opponent of THE Earl Grey, so it might've been a matter of tea flavors

>>720728739
I found the colours of the king of England. I have brought us glory, sir. I have honoured us, sir.

>>720725630
>Why is Taiwan using F16s instead of something better?
Money mostly, Taiwan isn't spending that much on their military, around 3.3% but with the size of their economy that only amounts to $31 billion.
With Taiwan's strategy being focused on US support it makes sense for them to buy American planes but $31 billion isn't enough to support a fleet of F-35s. The F-22 just isn't sold to other nations which doesn't leave many options.
Add to that the fact that the F-16 is very cheap for a, mostly, modern air-superiority fighter and it's an easy pick for Taiwan.

>>720729073
A man who reclaims the King's Colours, wins the King's favour, sir!

>>720728386
>Oh, man, you're a fucking SEAthing SEAmonkey, aren't you?
>What got your panties in a bunch? Did an American tourist hurt your pride by picking a different ladyboy over you?

i don't know what "SEA" stands for, must be some negrofied american mumbojumbo

btw the taliban won lmao

>>720729120
>Not buying baguette kino

>>720719381
The fuck are you talking about? The triumph of Waterloo was the fact that Wellington turned what should have been an absolute curb stomp into a defence that directly lead to Napoleon getting butchered by Blucher, with Gneisenau routing them so badly that he was forced to surrender practically before the war even began.
The only thing that detracts from Wellington’s success is the fact Ney went full retard for absolutely no reason.

The world would have been better off had Napoleon won, prove me wrong. Protip: you can’t

>>720729328
>Ney went full retard
He was probably just fed up of Napoleon making horse jokes

>>720728691
>Gibbons! Did you dip into my purse again!?
>Bellowed Simmerson, calmly.

>>720727010
>forced to stop glorious jihad and become wagies toiling away to excel spreadsheets
I wouldn’t call that winning.

>>720719374
>game has a VA that was in Sharpe
>writer finds out and adds in a reference
Feels good man

>>720729662
Which game?

>>720718994
when you think about it, the way we currently do war is the outlier, the warfare that directly preceded it and went on for thousands of years was literally just blocks of infantry walking towards eachother

>>720721879
That is precisely the face he made when he found out Liz Hurley was on set getting her kit off

>>720729120
>F15 aren't sold to anyone except...Israel
>F2x are Navy trash
>F35 are a very expensive meme

F16 are good and cheap, smart nations airplane

>>720725991
What's to stop someone from falling then running away?

>>720729904
getting caught. desertion is punishable by death, and if you fake getting shot, the other people in your regiment are going to notice when you're completely uninjured after the battle.

>>720729757
>Well, sir, on first sighting the French, I naturally gave the order to advance. That's my style, sir.

99% of military history

>>720729325
Not good for integrating into US logistics and strategic command
Well that and everyone is now memeing about the poos misusing them against the pakis.

>>720729325
>Downed by a fucking Paki

>>720729742
Vermintide 2.
Saltzpyre is voiced by Captain Murray

>>720729453
IIRC the first charge was an understandable mistake, since Wellington deliberately feigned a retreat to bait it out.
The ones after were fucking baffling. The only explanation put forward was that Ney thought it was a double bluff

>>720728325
Of course he is, all /v/'s officers are gentlemen

>>720718994
When the enemy doesn't have guns, what are they realistically going to do to you? Nothing.

>>720720130
America literally built the Soviet factories years before either party was in the war

>>720730336
Not for free.

>>720730084
Oh cool, does he give his sword to someone or something?

>>720720616
Yup. And every new one swears they're going to be different and avoid the 360 mega drag unseeable animation block cancel counter tricks.
And that lasts until the sweaty community finds the new exploit meta in the first week.

>>720728597
Yes, yes, we all watched the Historia Civilis video.

>>720718958 (OP)
Why don't the front line just carry a shield?

>>720730656
The front line is the shield, idiot

>>720730656
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy2iqpt4cQU

>>720730419
>should I die, Kruber, I’d like you to have my sword of office
>what, so the others will think I’m a Witch hunter?
>no, so that they think I liked you
Completely took me off guard when I heard it

>>720730842
Oh wow, that's really direct, that's pretty cool.

>>720723227
The Americans put the absolute worst scum and detritus of Afghanistan in charge and everyone hated them. They let them rape boys on bases to the horror of both normal troops and Afghan workers.
Imagine if aliens came to Earth and installed drug saddles NAMBLA members of the new world government.

The Afghans didn't fail, they succeeded. They drove out the evil forces raping boys and destroyed the opium fields.

Best AoE 2 campaigns to play bling? I finished Vlad and this thread has me itching to play

>>720730834
Stopped watching when he mentioned the musket wielder need both their hands and can't wield any shield.
That's obviously retarded because you can have people that hold nothing but shield in the frontline providing cover.
I assume the rest of the video will be as retarded too.

>>720720616
That why I always preferred Napoleonic wars to base Warband multiplayer
>See faggot that has absolutely mastered the melee system and is nigh untouchable
>Shoot them

>>720731164
he literally covers that moments later anon

>>720730656
>carry a shield
>cannonball hits shield
>your knees explode

>>720721110
the empire made britain brown

>>720729120
it's actually the fact that the US is unwilling to sell f35s to Taiwan because of the threat of espionage and Chinese corruption in Taiwan military leadership

>>720731025
>The Afghans didn't fail, they succeeded. They drove out the evil forces raping boys and destroyed the opium fields.
they succeeded so hard that practically their entire population is attempting to migrate to the countries of the "evil forces" the first chance they get

>>720725630
>>720729120
why doesn't america give them free money to buy better planes, like with israel?
isn't china a far bigger threat than homeless brown children with shitty rocket launchers

>>720731408
if a cannonball hits you then you have bigger problems anon

>>720731837
less political pressure from evangelicals

>>720731837
see
>>720731821

>>720731284
You can give me a TLDR version, otherwise I don't care to watch a video using invalid arguments to increase the video's time.

>>720724538
Get back on his feet and run out of the way of the tank? He literally just falls over and stays down screaming.

>>720719261
He fought with columns, which was even more retarded

>>720732116
sometimes it's hard to stand up

>>720731826
More fled during the American war in Afghanistan than after the Taliban victory. Given that's a much shorter time span, but it's pretty absurd to paint Afghan refugees as some unique thing just to the Taliban eras when their dominance has resulted in a lot less refugees than any foreign power ruling over them.

>>720731980
That's such a retarded argument. Evangelicals get literally nothing unless it's pro israel. They have no sway themselves.

>>720727805
Are you retaded?
Wellington did not invent squares at Waterloo, it was a staple of line warfare for decades.
Napoleon himself had used it several times in Egypt, over 15 years before Waterloo.
And btw Wellington only formed square during the cavalry charge, he didn't fight in square the whole time.

>>720718958 (OP)
>new content makes meta obsolete

>>720732287
>bully has his boot on your neck and a pig dick up your ass for twenty years
>gets bored and leaves
>I-i totally won! Haha! You lose!

>>720732260
Were they spread out so much that the boxes were out of range of friendly fire from the cross fire? Or did they just not care?

>>720732469
Machineguns are so metal.
>more volume of fire than an entire line of infantry
>more accuracy as well
>can infinitely sustain fire as long as you have ammo and water

>>720720130
smug EU American haters be like
>umm actually America didn't do shit in WW2 it was all glorious Soviets
then i be like
>but what about Lend Lease?
and they be like
>...
>.....

>>720732504
Sounds like a lot of cope. Facts on the ground are all that matters. Did you achieve your objectives or not?

>>720719337
>The fact that Africans have to keep pointing to a single battle they won out of thousands is proof enough of their incompetence.


Hmmm actually we won some other battles against whitey
Here for exemple

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Woyowoyanko#First_Battle_of_Woyowoyanko

>>720732469
>new content makes meta obsolete
>Guild leaders all over the server refuse to change tactics

>>720731176
Based.
>pick engie
>run around the walls building talking shit to besiegers and pumping up the boys
>find the first officer to get sniped
>grab his pistol
>>enemy busts in
>bait some sword wielding dork into a duel with an axe
>shoot him in the face
no better feeling, I miss that game.

>>720718958 (OP)
https://vocaroo.com/1ln4Py6nwjkQ

>>720721810
Good post.

The American Civil War was the world's first experimentation with the kind of warfare that WW1 would refine into an artform, in terms of weapon advancements and entrenchments at the very least. Shoutout to the Crimean War as well.

>>720732851
They'll argue the lend lease wasn't that much or came too late to turn the tide (which is bullshit on both counts) while ignoring the very factories the Soviets used for their own production were also built by America. Henry Ford did it to avoid being blacklisted on government contracts

>>720732246
>You will be the first to see a French Column, sir. It is not a pretty sight.

For God's sake, why doesn't anybody bloody well talk about Hornblower?!

You're part of it, aren't you? Do you think your little subversion will work, /v/? I'm on to you...

>>720725469
>31,000 British soldiers out of 118,000 allied troops at Waterloo

Why is this German victory seen as a British one again?

>>720732469
>>720732823
The thought of using a water cooled 50 to take down waves of planes, tanks, and men in an alt history 1919 German offensive makes me horny

>>720721810
>Still no good game about Sherman's March
The fact southerns are still butthurt over it shows how super effective it was.

>>720719261
Napoleon won because he gave a gun to every french peasant and built a bigger army.

He lost because the other rulers of europe started doing the same.

>>720732113
That faggot takes less than two mins to explain
>Having the musketeers carrying a shield as well won't work for these reasons, so people would have to be equipped with solely shields
and that's too much for your ADHD rotted brain to handle?

>>720733212
Warner fucking killed this role, what a depressing story arc seeing a man who clearly had once been a great hero turn into a terrible paranoid husk of a person.

>>720733343
Same reason everyone thinks the English won the Hundred Years

>>720721531
The average Afghan was allied with the Taliban and employing the most ancient and powerful battle technique of all. Politely waiting for the enemy to get tired and leave so you can get back to your normal business.

>>720732997
But nobody in Europe cared about the American Civil War except the brits who thought they could take advange of it.
Nobody had the idea of sending a military attache, except that one English fellow with an officer uniform who appeared one day on the Confederate army and nobody cared enough to check.

>>720732260
Why not just run into the square formation with the horses instead of just running around and getting shot?

>>720733487
Nobody thinks that.

>>720733343
Because Wellington held command over the allied forces until the Prussians finally arrived?

>>720733487
No one thinks this.

>>720732894
>"win" a "battle" with a 10:1 numerical advantage
>then lose with the same number advantage 10 days later, cancelling previous win

lol epic victory tyrone

>>720733506
Woefully incorrect. Napoleon III tried to takeover Mexico during the ACW and every European navy in the world damn well paid attention to the advent of ironclads.

Don't be foolish, nor misinterpret the diplomatic snubbings the CSA received as anything other than shrewd isolationist politics on the part of Europe. The whole world paid rapt attention -- it was an everyday feature in European newspapers at the time, feel free to go back and check.

>>720733524
...do you not see their bayonets? Horses don't like running into a wall of sharp spikes. Cavalry is meant to attack the formation edges and retreating troops anyhow.

>>720733524
>why not just run into a dozen spears and absolutely get stabbed instead of riding around and maybe getting shot?

>>720733463
He dies like a man of honor at least. His death was a great moment.

>>720721569
>sharpe blocked in france

ahahahahahahaha
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

now that's soldiering

>>720725247
romans conquered a small sliver of germanic territory before getting completely btfo by germanic GODS

>>720718994
They conquered the whole fucking world all while doing it. What of it boy?

>>720733506
ACW was less of a paradigm shift than people like to believe. European militaries didn't consider it different from the wars they were fighting and justifiably so.

>>720732894
>Woyowoyanko
sovlful name tbhq

>>720733762
True, it's an exemplary performance and a well-written piece.

>>720733721
>>720733741
>Sacrificing some of your carvery to charge into the square to break them up is worse than losing them all because you just run around them and get picked off as sport.
You lack big picture thinking

>>720721517
Wait a fucking second, why is there a Soviet van in the background?

>>720733674
That's because the French wanted to expand their influence in America while the USA was distracted. They did not care about what was happening in the war.

>>720719954
>>720721569
>>720733780
why are british uploaders like that

>>720733674
Ironclads were kind of baffling from the RN perspective since they were clearly completely unsuited for naval warfare out at sea. IIRC they weren't sure how to approach them, not for fear of losses, but for concern that any boarding action might actually sink the damn things.

>>720725630
Taiwan is a chip fabrication industry with a country attached. Their economy and standard of living is fucking terrible right now compared to korea, japan and huge chunks of mainland china. They should spend more money on their military but if they did there'd be massive riots in the streets and shit.

>>720734139
just make a good video series about a french guy fighting the british, upload it to youtube, and block the eternal anglo

it's that easy, pierre

>>720734139
>>720722212

>>720732851
>caring about the opinions of tankies

>>720734098
The result of the war directly affected the French campaign
French armies withdrew from Mexico undefeated after the US civil war ended because the USA threatened to enter the war on the side of Mexican Republicans

>>720732246
Columns (honestly more like square block if anything) maneuvere better and provided gaps for looser-formation light infantry to screen for them on the advance. They still reform into lines if they're expected to shoot it out.

>>720734074
Sharpe was filmed in the early 90s, primarily in Crimea cause it looks enough like Spain but is way cheaper

>>720733984
Sure, but try convincing your horse of that bigger picture. It's not going to give a shit, it just doesn't want to get stabbed.

>>720734936
Why not have a cannon on a chariot carried by your cavalery and when you arrive near the square you shot a hole into it and then the cavalry enters the breach and destroy the square?
Man I would have been a military genius in that era, too bad I was born 200 years too late...

>>720735189
okay, let's say your cavalry manage to break into the square
they are not completely surrounded with no way out as the rear ranks turn around to deal with the cavalry that made it in

>>720735370
If cavalry breaks the square, enemy infantry goes into a rout and the battle is won

>>720733984
>Tell your cavalry to commit literal suicide instead of bringing up artillery or infantry (who can outfight squares while in line)
Breaking an infantry square with a charge is more dependent on the infantry being in a poor state than anything else

>>720735189
>have a cannon on a chariot carried by your cavalery
Horse artillery existed anon
>the cavalry enters the breach and destroy the square?
Why put your cavalry at risk when you could just sit back and slam them with artillery instead?

>>720732260
What battle was this based on? the cavalry outright charging without infantry support looks retarded

>>720735724
waterloo and yes it was retarded. the guy in command of the cavalry ordered the charge without infantry support

>>720719381
Bongs claiming all the glory at Waterloo is bizarre given how many other coalition nations fought Napoleon there.

>>720728776
All Quiet on the Western Front

>>720732469
Okay but whats the different between pic and an assault rifle?
I'm pretty sure modern assault rifles have the same rate of fire as WW1 machine guns so wouldn't ARs and SMGs be machine guns too?

>>720718994
>>720725991
Smoothbore rifles weren't as accurate so they only became effective in large volleys, which required people to group up. Rifling was a thing in Napoleonic wars but they were still hard to reload so the rifled accurate guns were reserved for special sharpshooter units.
Its only when breechloading rifles became a thing when soldiers finally started taking cover.

>>720732260
>never will there be a film of this scale again

>>720735924
It's a stationary crew served weapon.

>>720735523
Horse Artillery is not the same. It's just a faster artillery crew with more horses so the whole crew can ride in. It is about rapid deployment and redeployment, it's not a mobile gun platform. The war wagons of the Hussite wars are a better comparison.

>>720735924
>Okay but whats the different between pic and an assault rifle?
AR uses the one on the left, machinegun uses the one on the right

>>720719261
A bunch of brits are zooming straight to Waterloo as as a counter-example to Napoleon winning and completely overlooking the insane claim that Napoleon wasn't "fighting with lines".

>>720735924
>Okay but whats the different between pic and an assault rifle?
It weighs like a motherfucker and requires at least 2 people to carry. They tried to solve the issue with lighter machineguns like Lewis gun which people could bring to assaults. In WW2 they further split the gun types to machineguns and SMGs like Thompsons you see in gangster films. Eventually armies settled to assault rifles because they combined the accuracy of rifles with the firepower of SMGs. SMGs were always useful in urban combat so armies haven't fully gotten rid of them.

>>720724912
Sadly no.

>>720718994
Better question would be how these guys did boot camp with fancy uniforms, it would be like doing a cross country jog in tuxedos.

>>720729207
>the taliban won
The taliban (and vietcong) did an excellent job waging guerilla warfare against superior numbers and resources, which was their goal. But the US had retarded goals like, establishing puppet governments. The US is fucking terrible at that, but the military campaigns were all as successful as you would expect from a first world country that spends way too much money on "defense." Our envolvement and our goals were fucking retarded, but how can you argue that they were successful militarily? The people that needed to die, fucking died. A lot. And our casualties were minimal.

>>720732437
I never said that Wellington invented using squares you fucking retarded caveman, just that he used them (not even that he exclusively used them) during the final fight where Napoleon finally got btfo, which is enough to prove that retarded post wrong.

>>720736661
Heatstroke was a thing, during the revolutionary war you had multiple bong soldiers just drop dead from the heat because they had to march in 100 degree weather in full wool uniforms.

>>720736664
damn an entire new generation of "we won the battle but lost the war" cope
doesn't matter how many people you kill or how many battles you won, if your strategic goals are not achieved it can't be called a victory. wars are not wages for wars sake, but to accomplish strategic goals and advance agendas.

>>720720130
Soviets would have collapsed with out America holding them up.

>>720733524
Horses can be trained to crash into for example a spear wall. But when they've been hit with a full volley of bullets before they even reach the wall the first horses might go down, wounded horses go crazy and stop charging properly, those horses get in the way of the horses behind them in a pile up.

Even if they still close the distance after a brutal volley, breaking infantry with cavalry is hard at the best of times. Back in the days of cavalry charging shield walls and pikes and other melee weapons, it was difficult, it didn't always work, the cavalry would often be repelled.

So you're taking a volley of fire that may ruin your charge on the way there, and then when you get there its a wall of bayonets that would have been a challenge if even if you arrived in full force.

>>720720874
>Burgers were meaningless in WW1 aside from moral support.
Objectively incorrect

>>720719414
pikes and swords were more kino thoughbeit

>>720728645
/pol/tards aren't particularly bright.

>>720718958 (OP)
>"Long live the KAAAYYYSSAAAR"
>shank a prussian in the ass

>>720736664
Yeah but you failed to subdue the country into vassalage. US tried and failed to train the locals into a national army, they didn't understand that locals didn't have any affiliation or loyalty for Afghanistan as a country, each of them were loyal to their clans. Taleban storming the capital wasn't some epic war, it was an instant rout by national forces who had negative motivation to risk their lives.

https://youtu.be/JlBOexWfsCU?si=IDBn-CAVehela5FK

I'm going to put it simple for browns, Muskets are not a gun with spear on the end, they're a spear with a gun attatched to it, most people fired two maybe three shots before chasing the other person of a hill. The only time fire fights happened was when the charging side got cold feet at the last second.

>>720733674
It was kind of baffling to people that the rebellion got off the ground in the first place. Any european country would have marched into the South and hung people left and right at various points in the 40s and 50s. America coddled the confederacy into existence. There's a great Sherman letter thats something to the effect of "do you retards have any idea how good you have it? 99 percent of the population of Europe would kill to have what you have, the land and the space and the freedom, slavery or no slavery."

>>720737004
Hey man the Taliban are fighting Iran now so even when America is going full retard (which is often) sometimes it works out in their favor anyway

>>720718994
>>720729757
this is how I play rts games

>>720737004
Yeah, but that's more politics than anything. It's not the military structure that decides or facilitates who we try to install in the puppet government. The military just wastes money and turns gooks and brown people into hamburger meat. That's like saying the getaway driver in a bank robber didn't do his job because the crew got pinched a month after the robbery.

>>720720874
You mean except for all the guns, artillery, food, raw materials your country needed to not collapse.

>>720719367
You are probably thinking about Ney who ordered a disastrous cavalry charge, failed to sabotage British cannons and led several doomed infantry charges.

>>720720957
Musket warfare was not about shooting it was about charging, muskets are pikes with guns to inflict shock before a charge.

nothing looks more stupid than people standing and swinging melee weapons at eachother

>>720720130
No westerners who cry about lend lease know absolutely nothing about the eastern front and the soviet economy to contextualize it. It was important and saved soviet lives, but even no lend lease plus no western front just means the Soviets go all the way to Normandy after taking more casualties.

Then somehow the soviets taking out a million Japanese in a week in one of the biggest offensives of the war because the US begged it to doesn't factor into the equation of how much credit the US should get for the Pacific

It took till single shot repeaters and regular repeating firearms that bayonet charges stopped being the primary means of winning a battle, the point was to push the enemy of that territory, even back then they did research and after action reports on battles, all shooting did was cause both sides to chew each other up, charging the enemies position if done correctly worked 99 percent of the time and you never really had to actually stab someone.

>>720733381
The state of the north is plenty of revenge from god lmao

>>720720616
>Bro doesn't know how to slimslam

>>720738019
Funnily enough there was one successful bayonet charge in Iraq war, performed by a british squad that ran out of bullets.

>>720738019
Yep, it wasn't until warfare became so industrialized in world war 1 that the real enormous death counts start.

>>720737840
IT'S REAL TO ME DAMMIT

>>720738101
Why would god make the antichrist president though? And where's the list.

>>720738156
Well yeah, men can duke it out shooting and killing each other and take enormous casualties but getting stabbed triggers something in the monkey brain that is almost impossible to train out.

>>720737840
We're just bags of liquid and meat. We need to poke the other guy and spill his contents before he pokes you. That's all warfare is.

>>720737619
>Yeah, but that's more politics than anything.
war is an extension of politics

>>720738359
*taking huge bong rip* woah ............. that;s like .... bad

>>720726069
OH NO NO NO NO CELTBROS DON'T LOOK

>>720738156
>successful bayonette charge against one guy with an SVD in a building 300 yards away
No, bongs never got anywhere near stabbing anyone with a bayonette. Combat didnt happen like that in the GWOT.

>>720737651
>your country
Huh? what are you referring to?

>>720738297
Its more of just iraqi troops and terrorists having no real communication with each other so when they hear a bunch of british screaming like crazy and see their friends get stabbed, they think their other friends were already wiped out, then panic and run.

>>720737962
>No westerners who cry about lend lease know absolutely nothing about the eastern front and the soviet economy to contextualize it. It was important and saved soviet lives, but even no lend lease plus no western front just means the Soviets go all the way to Normandy after taking more casualties.
What these people also fail to understand that Soviets could allow themselves to have more casualties, since demographics wasn't an issue back then.
>Communist Party says that you have to breed
>Da

>>720720604
They were about as accurate as rifled barrels, until they became fouled, and they had to use smaller balls that didn't fit the barrel. And the only reason they didn't use rifled barrels, was because they didn't have the relatively clean burning explosives needed so the rifling didn't immediately clog up. Same with all the moving parts of a more modern gun, actually. Chemistry is hard.

>>720736171
>It is about rapid deployment and redeployment, it's not a mobile gun platform.
Limbering and unlimbering quickly enough, the two are the same and an artillery team could do it in minutes. Anything you put on a chariot would either require it to be stopped and braced to handle the recoil (and not spook the shit out of the horses) or be small enough that it's essentially a Zamburak (and why would you use those if heavier artillery is available with its extra range and power) What advantage are you getting over horse artillery with this?

>>720738428
You're not refuting anything, you're just changing the definitions of things.

>>720738460
No, it really happened. Look up Battle of Danny Boy. The bayonet charge managed to kill 20 shia militia troops before they ran away. The british soldiers got medals for the charge.

Most of the really horrible firefights in the civil war were caused by incompetence more than anything.
Like one side would line up for a decisive charge and because nobody was really all that well trained they'd get into melee range, fire then keep firing instead of sending the charge home.

Would trenches of have obliterated invading british forces, or no?

It’s kinda crazy that despite the Iraq War and occupation being the bigger shit show the regime we left behind is still mostly standing

>>720738734
Not really, trench warfare has existed since the Ancient Greeks, they would have just charged into the ditches, the British were well trained enough that a couple volleys being fired by men in holes wouldn't stop them.

>>720733212
As good as Hornblower is, it had a problem with a real fizzle of a final episode

>>720738608
there is can be no military campaign without the politics of why that campaign is taking place. again, wars do not happen for wars sakes, they are always the means to enforce policy. there is no distinction between military and politics.

>>720738556
Smoothbores are much more inaccurate than rifles, 100 yards is cited, but that's like extreme range, more practical ranges were like 50-75 yards,

>>720738556
>And the only reason they didn't use rifled barrels, was because they didn't have the relatively clean burning explosives needed so the rifling didn't immediately clog up.
Who are "they"? Brits were the first to adopt a rifle en masse (Baker rifle) as early as 1801. It was used in Napoleonic wars, and it is rifled, as the name suggests. The increase in accuracy was considered to be worth it even with the loss of reload speed (since you really need to ram that soft bullet in).

The fouling is a problem, but not as much as a problem with the expected amount of shots per battle.

>>720738979
Wrong see >>720720759
300 yards was a feasible and not uncommon range for skirmishers and also the range accounted for when building kill boxes in fortifications

>>720720130
everyone lost ww2 when we unleashed the ancient evil

>>720739413
Soviets? The Jews? Frost giants?

>>720720759
>>720739308
300 yards was unlikely, which is why arquebus troops grouped together and shot in volleys. If every arquebus was accurate there wouldn't be a need for volleys. The real reason why guns took over bows is democratization of the battlefield. Bow took years of training to perform, meanwhile you could teach a peasant how an arquebus works in less than a week. Suddenly an untrained peasant had the power to knock off a veteran samurai from his horse and kill him instantly.

>>720739504
yes

>>720735836
>2022
imma skip

>>720719360
Not necessarily. During the American revolution Muricans made heavy use of guerilla tactics and Indian style ambushes. Nothing shatters the britfag soldiers' resolve like a volley of gunfire from unseen attackers in the tree line taking out their officers as they march down a dirt road like a bunch of prissy little fags.

>>720718958 (OP)
>>720718994
Why didn't line infantrymen carry deployable shields/barriers to use as cover?

>>720739582
>Bow took years of training to perform, meanwhile you could teach a peasant how an arquebus works in less than a week
No.
This is wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to start.
Gun training took a good amount of time even during wartime it would take 2 weeks of familiarizing themselves with a weapon before they got to fire their first blanks.
Training with bows doesn't take extraordinarily long. The basics are learned within weeks, It takes a good amount of muscle but that can easily be attained from a farm life or physical labor.

>The recruits will receive their muskets on the first day of training, ready to start immediately with the first movements of charging arms. These will be continued un the following days, and, being the main focus of exercise, will be continued daily, so that after 14 days they can move on to firing, first with blanks, and then at a practice target. Instruction in other movements will have but little time devoted, and should be left completely until the men are sure in the movements of charging their arms. Instruction on skirmishing, including their signals, and the details of daily service will also start on the first day, to be followed within the first eight days by instruction in field service. Training in marching, including the movements, is to be used only for variety and should not have much time invested in it; the time spent on their way to the army shall be used for this instruction.
>When the recruits, who have been trained in such a hasty manenr, are integrated into the rank and file, they should be placed in the middle files of the Sektionen, regardless of their height, and the flank files of Sektionen and Züge should be filled with men who have served for a longer time.
>t. Max von Busse, offcier in the 11. Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment, on training recruits during wartime

>>720739605
Don't worry it's all
>War is le bad
They also butcher the story of the book, it's basically unrelated except for some names.

>>720739961
Because shields thick enough are ungodly heavy and get in the way, they tried that and found it not worth it, plus giving every single infantry man a big plate of metal was unfeasible. Also even if you did, they'd just fucking throw them away after the first 25 mile march

>>720740017
>Gun training took a good amount of time even during wartime it would take 2 weeks
2 weeks is nothing. Its an extremely short time to make a dumb peasant into an effective killer.
>Training with bows doesn't take extraordinarily long.
Yes it does. I can guarantee you that it takes longer for a man to draw and aim a hunting bow correctly, over taking him to gun range and giving him a pistol. Bows still take a lot of practice today, what makes you think they didn't take any practice back in the old days?

>>720740286
You goddamn illiterate monkey!
I didn't say it took 2 weeks.
I said it took 2 weeks of learning the gun before they even began being teached how to shoot!

>I can guarantee you that it takes longer for a man to draw and aim a hunting bow correctly
Then you surely have something to substantiate that claim

>>720739961
They were used during the crossbow heyday and sometimes during pike-and-shot era..After that, firearms became too powerful for the effective armor.

>>720726069
How did they convince the guys in the front to charge in? At least the guys in the back can cope that they will get lucky and survive but like the guys in the front are almost guaranteed to die for nothing how are you ok with that

>>720739961
Any shield capable of reliably stopping firearms of that era would be impractically heavy.

>>720740681
The trick is called being a game. Pixels do not care about such frivolous things as being alive

>>720740408
>I didn't say it took 2 weeks.
But your quote did:
>These will be continued un the following days, and, being the main focus of exercise, will be continued daily, so that after 14 days they can move on to firing, first with blanks, and then at a practice target.
Do you think people just won't hit targets in gun ranges when they finally get live ammo in their hands? What are you, retarded?

>Then you surely have something to substantiate that claim

https://forums.bowhunting.com/threads/practice-time-before-hunting.82361/

Just search for "hunting bow training" and the general feedback and estimate is months to years.

>>720740089
I figured.

>>720738682
You're buying into reddit-tier nonsense. Yes, they were so low on amm that they fixed bayonets. No, there was no line of men charging into other men. No, there were not any bayonet fatalities. Stop being retarded.

>>720732260
Sauce? Looks cool

>>720740908
>after 14 days they can move on to firing
What do you think this means? Take a guess.

>https://forums.bowhunting.com/threads/practice-time-before-hunting.82361/
Which says very little about medieval training practices or medieval bows compared to modern compound bows.
Furthermore it is heavily impacted by how confident they felt before hunting. This has no bearing on how armies trained.

>>720741824
Nvm, googled "Waterloo movie" and found it immediately, sorry bros

>>720741824
waterloo 1970

>>720741795
Hey, be nice to the bongbro. His country is so cucked that they're banning kitchen knives. Let him have this one thing.

>>720741838
>What do you think this means?
It means they're firing targets. Targets which get penetrated by iron balls. If you replace the target with a man, what do you think happens to that man? Have you never been to gun ranges or shot a gun before? Any dumbass Karen can hit most targets with a gun in their very first day.

>Which says very little about medieval training practices or medieval bows compared to modern compound bows.
What the fuck do you mean? English longbowmen had bone deformities because how they trained their entire lives to draw the extremely tough bow. Mongols started training bow to their kids as early as 8-10 years old. Why would they ever bother doing that if bow was so easy to learn you could do it on one sunday?
>Furthermore it is heavily impacted by how confident they felt before hunting.
What, now you're just making weird shit up.

Fact of the matter is that gunpowder weapons took over battlefields because you could amass much larger deadly force than you could with bow regiments. Bowmen were still mixed with arquebus-men for years because of the cumbersome reloading. Before musket fully took over, most peasants were trained in crossbows for the same reason, because they're easy to use point and shoot type of weapons compared to traditional bows.

>>720742501
>It means they're firing targets
So in other words they are training?

>bone deformities
Means way less than you think, all it says is that they did training as kids. Other cultures had >160 poundage bows and we have no knowledge about them having deformed bones.

>now you're just making weird shit up.
Right I just imagined pic related too.

>Fact of the matter is that gunpowder weapons took over battlefields because you could amass much larger deadly force than you
No they were just straight up better, as the image from Anthony J. Bryant's book shows.
Bows are limited by wood structure and human muscles, guns aren't.

>>720742189
>oi, yew don't NEED a sharp point on a kitchen knoif. Bin that knoif, lad.

>>720719128
>>720719337
In defense of the zulus they did use natural landscape to maneuver forces that were able to beat a force superior in every aspect except numbers

>>720720130
troon or jew

>>720720385
>>720720139
>get a perfect prelude war that displays every tactic that will later be used in ww1
>fail to learn anything due to the fighter being """subhuman""" asiatics
Why was everyone so retarded
Why is everyone still retarded

How the fuck did they lose 200000 to 10000? Nigga there's 20 of you for every one of them. Just run to them and beat their ass to death. Just zerg their asses

>>720745192
They weren't, they all took previous wars into account for their WW1 tactics.
2nd Boer War, Russo-Turkish War, Franco-Prussian War, Russo-Japanese War, all were taken into account.
The truth is that WW1 leaders had accurate expectations on how the war would turn out, just a lack of practical experience.

>>720744796
Isandlwana happened entirely because Lord Chelmsford was a complete idiot who failed to follow his own field manual that he wrote about how to fight the Zulus. Had he established a fortified camp as per his own regulations then that force would have easily held out against any attack the Zulus were capable of mounting against them, as subsequently demonstrated by Rorke's Drift and every single battle in his follow up 'oh shit I've fucked up big time and need to win this war before the boat carrying my replacement gets here' offensive that completely smashed the Zulu kingdom.

>>720745996
I'm not arguing against you. Zulu's got theirs in the end. Some measure of hubris can be a good thing to suffer now and then.

>>720725630
everyone still uses f16s, number goes up doesn't mean must replace everything we have that already works at the job it was made for.

>>720745452
I think you could argue that French expectations weren't exactly accurate, what with keeping their brightly coloured uniforms while everyone else adopted various shades of mud-coloured battledress long before the war started. I vaguely remember one anecdote from a French soldier at the start of the war who didn't have a very high opinion of the drab British uniforms but was amazed when he deployed alongside them and most of the soldiers disappeared into the landscape while he could clearly see most of his fellow Frenchmen.

>>720733212
for women

>>720724719
the fortnite building of the 2000s

>>720746561
>French expectations weren't exactly accurate, what with keeping their brightly coloured uniforms
Yes and no
Following the 2nd Boer War the french field exercises boiled down to:
>your spotted = dead
>you unit gets seen = you lose the exercise
It was completely unrealistic, and got ridicouled by the younger officers, due to ignoring that wars have objectives to fulfill and men need to engage in combat to fulfill them but it isn't like they thought being seen didn't matter.
Their issue was the government and press, the military tried multiple times to swap the uniform following the 2nd Boer War but the former 2 stone walled them.

>>720733381
You're the ones that seethe eternally at General Lee's battle flag. And people still study Stonewall's Shenandoah Valley campaign. Sherman's march was just burning the crops and infrastructure of citizens, something mongols were doing hundreds of years before.

>>720721371
Yeah, and if these people from earlier epochs had an ability to target an emeny sitting in blindage 20 km from frontline they would instantly pick this shit over "glorius charges", you absolute moron

>>720746561
Pic related is one of the many uniforms the french military wanted as replacement for their red and blue.

>>720721848
Thanks for posting a lady with big boobs to grab my attention so I didn't skip your recommendation

>>720733381
>Union literally had twice the casualties of the South even with better equipment
>Had a revolving door of incompetent generals and leaders
>The north itself is now replaces with trannies, fags, and browniods that hate America
>They seethe so much at the south they tore down their monuments like 150 years after the war ended
>all you have to show is one general who killed a bunch of citizens
>but it's the south the seethes about it

>>720719374
>"YOU HECKIN LOST THE COLORS OF HE HECKIN KING YOU CANT DO THAT YOU JUST CANT"
who was in the wrong there?

>>720731837
you know why Israel gets US taxpayer money

>>720738868
The CGI in the last few episodes but especially when they blew up that rowboat took me completely out of the show.

>>720746561
iirc the french uniform was designed to blend into the horizon when marching
somewhat useful in open terrain, completely worthless in trench warfare

>>720719374
>one does not simply walk into France

>>720719261
he sent men to charge instead and people gaslight you into believing he's a military genius

>>720739908
yea i watched the patriot too

>>720719261
He fought with columns

>>720720874
>Burgers were meaningless in WW1 aside from moral support.
We literally helped you win the war faggotbong

ppppppppppppppppppppppppppqppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp

>>720737324
why didn't they just roll?

>>720732260
They already overran the artillery? Why not just destroy the artillery and then fuck off until other support arrives?

>>720730514
>>720725963
>>720725758
>>720731176
Why do they all fall victim to the 360 drag slash shit? Surely one of the successors had to have fixed that issue.

>>720729757
>>720718958 (OP)
AOE in modern warfare pretty much killed formation combat.

>>720718994
hiding behind rocks and trees is cheapsies
the injuns didn't beat the war

>>720748289
ok, so stop seething. please and thank you :)

Some proper chosen men in this thread

>>720738868
>>720751236
I had to go make a webm of it because jesus what is this shit?
I'm sure it was cutting-edge impressive CGI for a tv serial at the time but the earlier episodes with only practical effects are so much better.

i fucking hate frogs so much
it's not just napoopan, napoopan "my uncle was ceo" iii caused a lot of mess both in france and elsewhere (2nd war of italian independence and crimean war)
somehow people keep blaming bismarck and germany but never the frogs who were like behind most of the problems

>>720721110
>>720731616
Shame the colonialism backfired when Brits lost their spine.

>>720752703
People don't blame Bismarck though, the decision to take Alsace-Lorraine went against Bismarck's wishes because he believed it would result in permanent animosity between France and Germany. The hatred is more directed towards Wilhelm, Ludendorff, and Hindenburg. Most people agree Napoleon III was incompetent, but he was so incompetent that it wraps around into being feckless. You don't really get that mad when a retard flails and hurts himself in the confusion.

>>720751850
Not a bong and no.
Unlike with WW2 the entente could have won without you.

>>720753361
>went against Bismarck's wishes
No Bismarck agreed with the sentiment that the region was militarily too valuable not to integrate.
The guy honestly wasn't as good as people like to think, way to big of an ego.

>>720721810
>>created modern ... warfare
Hello

>>720733506
>But nobody in Europe cared about the American Civil War except the brits who thought they could take advange of it
Helmuth Von Moltke got most of his military theories that he conquered the French with through observing and learning about the American Civil War, the Prussians actually took a special interest in the war and didn't enter it thanks to a specific diplomat who hated the Confederacy whose name currently escapes me

>>720753361
>>720753601
he wasn't perfect but unlike germany, france somehow got away with everything despite being the ones responsible for most of the mess in europe (napoleon, louis xiv, richelieu, etc.)

>>720753798
sup bro

>>720720296
>>720719029

dogs dont get ran over by tanks like infantry does. so you use tanks to counter tanks, and dogs to instakill infantry.

>>720754035
Do I bother finding out under whom he studied?

>>720728645
This is 4chan, people WANT to get mad

>>720751532
That's how you win battles.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InvjDwDMCeI

>>720736293
>ARs shoot quarters
whoa

>>720754738
Good luck with that, all we know is that he studied at Heidelberg and Leiden. Pretty sure those professors weren't important enough to be remembered

>>720736664
Social technology and morale and will to fight and solid goals are all integral parts of military action.
The absolutely insane compartmentalization of warfare from the goals of warfare in the West pollute the way people think about war.

>And our casualties were minimal.
Not that k/d decides wars compared to objectives, but the Taliban BTFO of the western backed Afghan forces in terms of k/d. If you combine the totality of both sides, the Taliban and allies did better than the West and allies. Odd fact, I know.

>>720752508
kek. thats great

War of rights does a pretty good job of making line battles fun.

>>720754017
France got shafted hard in the 20th century, harder than most of Europe did

>>720751532
wrong
he made great use of cannon

>>720737619
Carl Schmidt was right

>>720738608
NTA but any officer has read this book for the last century. He's not redefining anything. He's trying to bring you into reality

>>720721953
This is stupid, ISIS actually had the backing of NATO member EU countries for most of its early lifespan
The sole reason why you even know their name was that it was propped up to clear the region so they wouldn't need russian gasses and oil so much

>>720723227
It probably didn't help that we legit kept them in the dark on the Doha agreement, to the point at which there were instances of Taliban troops just walking up to ANA positions and saying "the Doha agreement said this belongs to us". The ANA was in such a sorry state with huge drug addiction issues, widespread corruption, and lack of just about everything.

>>720733524
horses get tricked in training where they charge at a formation but then the formation opens up at the last second letting the horses through
repeat this 100000x times and the horse will charge straight through a real enemy formation
the square formations show no real "frontline" so the horse just goes around to the open space as it was trained

>>720733212
This shows easily better than Sharpe and that's saying a lot because I love Sharpe

>>720740681
In the real world there would be much more grabbing the spear and shit.

>>720732116
it's called panic mode
there were also french troops moving along side the tanks

>>720732823
This but artillery

>>720739908
And without the armies of another european power, mutts get shit on and lose horribly to the brits, which in hindsight is something we can never atone for.

>>720751532
Tactically Napoleon was fairly hands off, a lot of the post-revo infantry commanders love charging because they started their careers wrangling conscripts with no time for firing drills.
His main thing is improving logistics and communications so he can always take favorable fights and coordinate his generals better. Also artillery.

>>720721810
>Americans did do that, but during their Civil war.
GEEEEEEEEEG
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u70Fj5pIpE&t=4351s
1:12:31

>>720719424
America didn't do jack in WW1. You got fat selling weapons and supplies to the British and French before joining at the very end when Germany was already worn down

>>720752162
Ewhx new one of these games is made by people from the community of an older game.
They end up with very incestuous relationship between devs and players in various discord and subreddits

>>720718994
Yes, then Napoleon saw real life turn based battle as a retarded thing worked on getting troops in battle to make units more self sufficient and dynamic instead of waiting for their turn to get shot. Other generals seeing this came to the obvious conclusion that was a dishonorable savage way of waging war.

>>720755728
Still do. Syria was taken by an offshoot of ISIS that made its first order of business sucking up to israel and letting them destroy all their AA

>>720752508
IIRC, the early episodes were expensive as hell (at least by brit tv standards) and they tried to cut down costs to keep the thing going.

Then after GWoT got going, even the money they got dried and and that was it.

Shame, I really enjoyed Gruffudd as Hornblower.

>>720718994
did nons really just get curbstomped by whitey constantly for thousands of years

>>720721840
>Mutts were completely fucking irrelevant in WW1
The european brass had been insisting since the very beginning of the clusterfuck they called "the great war" that victory was just around the corner, they just had to march at the enemy trenches again, only to fall flat on their faces every time they tried.
>B-but it would have been different this time! Even though the germans literally just knocked the russians out and didn't have to worry about the eastern front, anymore! BRITAIN STRONG! FRANCE STRONG! SUPERPOWER 1930!!!

>>720726537
>American contribution to WW1 was irrelevant.
Its actual contribution is being a creditor. Pay no mind to how they built Germany back up between the two wars and in many ways created the conditions for a repeat.

>>720728386
Friendly reminder that the only reasons the Queen isn't on your money are our army and our navy.

>>720747308
>>720748289
>Proving my point

>>720729325
The Exocet missile issue made people realize where you buy from is just as important as what you're buying so nice pieces of equipment have been skipped.

@720756484
shut the fuck up

>>720718958 (OP)
Just press circle/B.