Thread 720732882

Honest question: how can a device that’s, at best, equivalent to a 3060 Ti run games at 1440p with DLSS on just 10 watts, while Nvidia’s latest 90-series card demands nearly 500W?

We’re talking about a 4900% increase in electricity use. Why are high-end cards consuming more power over time instead of less? Is this driven by developers, or by Nvidia itself? Could a 5090 eventually be optimized to run a game at 1080p on just 10W? What’s really going on with these cards’ power demands, and why isn’t anyone asking these questions?

It’s insane, we’ve gone from 350W on a 3090 to 480–575W on a 5090. What the hell is going on? This increase in wattage is seen across all cards except the 60's series too.

>>720732882 (OP)
Erm... why we doesn't have fusion power yet??

>>720732882 (OP)
तुम चूप बेतो

>>720732882 (OP)
For correction, the Switch 2 uses 25W of power when docked and playing Switch 2 games (it's back to 15W during the BC for Switch 1 games).
But yeah it's rather impressive considering the results and how absurd a machine that requires one or two hundred times the electrical power will most often bring negligible differences.

>>720732950
Why are you defending such a wasteful use of power? If electricity prices double because of AI server growth across the country, running a 4080 could cost $40–50 a month for just 4–5 hours of heavy gaming daily. No Steam sale will save you from that. If you don’t care about the environment, at least think about what it will do to your fucking wallet.

>>720734153
is actually 19-20W while docked. The Switch 2 is capable of using up to 25W, but there's a cap on dock mode for some reason. But you are right, is not 10W, my bad dog.

>>720732882 (OP)
there's more to graphics than just resolution pabo

>>720734621
Christopher the Switch 2 is using a mix of medium and high settings, playing on Max settings on a PC should not use 450+ Watts

>>720732882 (OP)
>primeiro trailer

Believe in Nintendo's magic

>>720732882 (OP)
AMD presented a RTX 4070 performant APU some while ago, think it was at CES, and now some people got their hands on it. It's the Ryzen AI Max+ 395

https://youtu.be/qDc09TrVDAY?t=151

I think this is more impressive than whatever thing the switch got in it

>>720735296
Pretty simple:
AMD-NVIDIA-AMD
Nvidia cards are just a SHITTON better at raytracing than AMD cards.
It's like a 2x difference when you compare generations.
Also DLSS can do noise reconstruction thing that allows you to use worse raytracing settings on nvidia and get the same result.

>>720736546
This is impressive not gonna lie, especially when a normal 4070 usually consumes 180-220W.

>>720732882 (OP)
Things get better all the time, DLSS feels like magic

>>720739725
In the case of this game, it's DLSS and better nvidia RT.
The game has raytracing forced on, so the switch 2 gains an "unfair advantage" over AMD sporting GPUs.

It’s same why Android phones have 40GB and the latest iPhone has 8GB. iPhone runs better, cooler, smoother, bugs free.

Mind you, the Androids think their phones are superior because big numbers = better. The pc players have the exact same mentality.

The sellers: Samsung, Asus, Nvidia feeds into that stupidity and people gladly buy it.

PC handhelds are also culmination of everything wrong with that market. Completely inefficient specs that are just there to bloat the price.

It’s same why Android phones have 40GB of RAM and the latest iPhone has 8GB. iPhone runs better, cooler, smoother, bugs free.

Mind you, the Androids think their phones are superior because big numbers = better. The pc players have the exact same mentality.

The sellers: Samsung, Asus, Nvidia feeds into that stupidity and people gladly buy it.

PC handhelds are also culmination of everything wrong with that market. Completely inefficient specs that are just there to bloat the price.

>>720732882 (OP)
The Switch is running the game at far, far lower quality and far lower performance too. The 5090 however is indeed most certainly not power optimized in any way, in fact it's one of the worst products NVIDIA released "recently" (like in the last 1-2 decades). NVIDIA was unable to improve the 5000 series architecturally over the 4000 series, but they still needed the 5090 to be faster than the 4090. They improved performance by simply adding more shit to the GPU and increasing power consumption, so that's why its power consumption is so insane for comparatively little gain.

The 6090 or whatever they'll call it is likely going to be far superior in efficiency again, because it's going to be using a far better manufacturing process (5090 is basically using the same one as the 4000 series, pushed insanely hard to squeeze some extra perf out of it).

>>720739003
Idk much about hw but I think the APU alone consumes ~15W, since the CPU has 16 cores and each core usually draws 4W. It's crazy if true. Sadly it's way too fucking expensive right now, costs 2K for the prebuilt thing.

>>720741360
>We reach a timeline where 1440p and high settings on a game is very low quality for a 450$ device

1440p is not far lower quality, maybe 1080p? the only real complain is 30FPS on the Switch 2, but that's a CPU bottleneck, not a GPU one.

It’s same why Android phones have 40GB of RAM and the latest iPhone has 8GB. iPhone runs better, cooler, smoother, bugs free.

Mind you, the Androids think their phones are superior because big numbers = better. The pc players have the exact same mentality.

The sellers: Samsung, Asus, Nvidia feeds into that stupidity and people gladly buy it.

PC handhelds are also culmination of everything wrong with that market. Completely inefficient specs that are just there to make the numbers look bigger.

It’s same why Android phones have 40GB of RAM and the latest iPhone has 8GB. iPhone runs better, cooler, smoother, bugs free.

Mind you, the Android users think their phones are superior because big numbers = better. The pc players have the exact same mentality.

The sellers: Samsung, Asus, Nvidia feeds into that stupidity and people gladly buy it.

PC handhelds are also culmination of everything wrong with that market. Completely inefficient specs that are just there to make the numbers look bigger.

>>720741317
I think android is superior because i can run JIT on it, which means i can use a web browser not named safari and run gamecube games.
>but iphone has other browsers!
No it don't.
All browsers in the iphone are safari with different skins.

Also while PC Handheld are a bit inefficient, they have much better software support than android or iphone garbage.
It's the whole point.

>>720741632
>1440p
That's the actual render resolution, or is it 1440p DLSS which is actually like 720p or below or some shit? I guess those screenshots must be taken from videos, but in any case they sure as shit don't look anywhere close to sharp enough for 1440p rendering. If you use like 4K output with DLSS Quality on PC (so 1440p actual rendering resolution) it looks razor sharp, the mess in those shots isn't even in the same ballpark.
>but that's a CPU bottleneck, not a GPU one
I seriously doubt it's running the game with the GPU 50% or more idle.

It's not magic, Switch is shit that runs everything on low quality to afford being able to use weak hardware on low electricity usage

>>720742156
It's not just that, it do beat the series S in RT effects and upscale quality because ENVIDIA.

It does gets trounced absurdly in shadow quality tho.

>>720741749
Android is superior because I can actually use my OS properly lmao. Apple are turbo jews who even after being forced to push 3rd party apps and offloading they disable JIT.

>>720732882 (OP)
Wait how many watts does a swatch use?

>>720742494
25w tops

Why do people get so mad at the Switch 2?

>>720742012
It is 720p upscaled to 1440p using DLSS, and the screenshots are from a video. The Switch manages this at just 20W, while a 5090 requires over 400W to go from 1440p to 4K. By the same logic, the 5090 should only use around 40W–60W, since 4K has roughly 2.25× more pixels than 1440p, but obviously that’s not the case.

And that’s without even factoring in that the Switch also powers a screen, speakers, and a CPU within that 20W budget. Meanwhile, the 5090’s 400W+ likely includes pushing the CPU to 80W or more.

>>720742864
Overpriced and not much of an upgrade from base switch 1

>>720742963
>Shits on the Xbox brand and trades blows with the PS5 for 100$ less while also being portable

Please just shut up, you godamn youtube NPC

>>720743146
>Please just shut up, you godamn youtube NPC

The irony from a tendie...

>>720742963
>>720743146
It don't "trade blows" with the PS5, but it absolutely demolishes the original switch.
It's a PS4 with raytracing, DLSS and fast loading.

>>720743146
>Says the tendie who's going to buy the POS virtual boy yet again
Lol. Dlss is the only thing keeping it on life support already. You should be thankful the PS4 stayed alive as long as it did.

>>720742948
Rendering at 1440p over 720p already pushes 4x more more pixels/s without any other changes. The 5090 is also probably going to run the game at 60+ FPS instead of 30 so that's another 2x+ multiplier to the pixels/s pushed. We're already at 8x or more number crunching than the Switch so like 160W+ at the same perf/W as the Switch. Now this doesn't take any actual improvement in graphics settings and asset quality into account, that could easily add up to another 2-3x increase in computational load and boom, suddenly you're at 320-480W at the Switch's perf/W for some basic improvements in image quality and in the same ballpark as a 5090.

>>720743625
>We need a 3500% increase in electricity use to perform a 4x on Resolution and 2x on FPS + assets quality improvements

You are using solid logic, but what you’re saying only makes sense if PC DLSS technology were vastly inferior to the Switch 2’s DLSS, which, as you and I both know, couldn’t be true under any circumstances unless NVIDIA actively wanted to harm their PC user base. Wait a second.

>>720744371
Everything I said has nothing to do with DLSS, in fact DLSS is mostly irrelevant in the discussion since the output resolution of the upscaler is mostly irrelevant in terms of actual performance cost. It's not entirely free in terms of performance and power, but it's extremely cheap, that's why it's used in the first place, because it's far, far cheaper than actually rendering at higher res (and on NVIDIA it doesn't run on the same GPU hardware as the game itself).

>>720732882 (OP)
what's going on here?

>>720743396
>It's a PS4 with raytracing, DLSS and fast loading.
Yeah, pretty much.

I hate Nintendo, since they became video game Disney in every negative sense, but devs now have no excuse not to optimize games for Switch 2. They just have to try like they did during the 8th for PS4 and Xbone, since it's crystal clear that devs use the power of current gen hardware to literally shit out games without trying. It's actually impressive that most of these not only look, but also run like shit, despite taking over a decade on average to make.

>>720747631
How is Nintendo the video game Disney when Disney has not release good movies in years while Nintendo casually dropped one of the best platforms ever last month? why do you get all your opinions from Youtube man

>>720748698
Nintendo literally started patenting video game mechanics, on top of being overprotective about their IPs and they both have the same target audience - children and manchilds

>>720749116
nta but every Japanese game company has patented game mechanics since their 80's arcade days, and besides you're freaking out over literally nothing

>DAE NINTENDO BAD? XD
Fuck off to reddit moron

>>720746846
Cloth physics causes her tunic to noclip into the blaster

>>720749323
>and besides you're freaking out over literally nothing
they're genuinely scared shitless about Palworld that they purposely started patenting more mechanics just to sue them

>>720749512
you're naive if you believe that and not because of the lolcow attitude of the Pocketpair CEO
but good job trying to derail a thread talking about power consumption / optimization by dragging out once more your pointless Internet drama

>>720749761
you're the one who asked, anon

>>720749116
Every single other company has done FAR worse shit. Nintendo pattents are shitty but a far cry from being close to what Sony and Microsoft have attempted to do. Why do you decide to virtual signal now? I tell you why, because Youtube and the Chinese want you to hate a simple Japanese gaming company that makes games for chidren, while you have Sony wanting kids to gamble with crypto currency in the future, use your fucking brain.

>>720750004
Nintendo ACTUALLY SUED certain company for using mechanics, that Nintendo patented only after the competitor game was released, you fucking retard.

How much do they pay you, because I refuse to believe there are corpo boot lickers doing that for free, unless you're part of the target audience as mentioned here >>720749116

>ubi soft bullshots
How many "fell for it again" medals have your earned so far.

>>720749819
You're confusing me with the other anon, and you need to reconsider your life instead of easily believing all the ragebait and misinformation going on the Internet.
You also ought to learn the Switch is not just the bing-bing wahoo machine with all the third-parties present on the ecosystem.

>>720750340
>and you need to reconsider your life instead of easily believing all the ragebait and misinformation going on the Internet.

https://www.ign.com/articles/nintendo-rewrites-patent-mid-case-in-ongoing-lawsuit-against-palworld-dev-pocketpair-but-why

>The case involves three patents granted by the Japan Patent Office (JPO): two related to monster capture and release, and one related to riding characters. All three patents were filed in 2024, after Palworld came out.

How is this a misinformation?

>>720750261
>company takes another company to the court over patent and/or copyright infringement
wow. im so big angery + frustrated right now.

>>720750541
>All three patents were filed in 2024, after Palworld came out.
Retarded manchild

>>720750503
Those are the "child patents" which are extensions of the OG patents confirmed in 2021.
https://x.com/Palworld_JP/status/1854834904447828305
You can see the Japanese comments calling out Pocketpair for being misleading
So yeah good job in believing the fake news and derailing a thread because of your autism

>>720734336
That's part of the plan - it's insane - but ((some people)) are looking for short term gains.
Bad game devs are just the cherry on the top.

>>720750708
And just like that, you can't ride a horse in video games, because it's owned by Nintendo

>>720750261
>Multi billion companies want to enslave you and use Crypto curreny as a form to bet on Esports
>B-But another company wants to sue another one because of gameplay mechanics WAAHH I DONT CARE IF IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME IN MEDIA LIKE MOVIES AND GAMES

You’re comparing something that only affects multi-million-dollar companies like a mindless sheep, while I’m talking about stuff that actually affects you, moron. Why are you upset about these giants fighting when you should be focusing on SJIT THAT WILL AFFECT US. the Palworld developers are not indie developers, get a goddamn grip on reality Youtube drone.

>>720751156
It's about the fact Nintendo can sue about just anybody, just because they feel threatened, retard.
This does affect my video games.

>>Multi billion companies want to enslave you and use Crypto curreny as a form to bet on Esports
And you have the audacity to call me autistic

>>720750763
at that point when PC players brag about not paying for online subscriptions, you will be able to bring up the electricity bill as a counterpoint.

>>720750928
Patents are extremely specific with the +20 claims detailing the implementation of said mechanic, and you need to infringe all claims in order to get properly sued (which generally work against bootlegs). You have to be again a special kind of stupid to believe it's about abstract concepts (like you're doing with the "can't ride a horse") and anything alike to copyright infringement. For someone who likes to insult others as "manchildren", you should again reconsider your habits such as making your own research and not believing what the gaming media press or youtube grifters told you.

>>720751341
ah you did not read the picture above stating the far worse stuff other companies have patented. Why would I trust a Youtube drone would have the capability to read? All your kind does is watch Youtubers with shit takes, the perfect army of zoomers. I am done.

>>720734153
stupid retard, cucksoles don't have to run shitdows, bloated drivers, etc. games are tailored to run on specific hardware with a specific architecture and hardware pipeline, so of course you're gonna get way more impressive results
you underestimate how bloated general purpose operating systems currently are and how much useless bullshit they run (device discovery, tons of logging shit, bloated shells, updates, print spooler, god knows what else)

Isnt it interesting how they use this one game nobody is actually playing in any platform?

>>720751735
You can literally give those tasks to the CPU and GENERALLY are assigned to the CPU, what are you on, it far off does not excuse the existence of 400W+ GPU's.

>>720751369
I'm reading the patent and it basically says that Nintendo owns the ability to ride a flying character.

I'd send this game to my enemies to bore them to death.

>>720751847
There also Cyberpunk and FFVII running really well on the Switch 2, people use Star Wars Outlaw because the only comparisons you can use are current consoles dog, Believe me, you did not discover something.

>>720732882 (OP)
>Honest question: how can a device that’s, at best, equivalent to a 3060 Ti run games at 1440p with DLSS on just 10 watts, while Nvidia’s latest 90-series card demands nearly 500W?
It doesn't and it's not even remotely close. NSW2 and 3060Ti are the exact same generation of Nvidia architecture, the laws of physics are going to prevent you from having the performance you claim it has.
>Why does the 5090 use 600W
Because that is the Nvidia high end MO, giant chips with giant power consumption, efficiency and price be damned. Considering AMD isn't competing there this gen, they can get away with it

>>720749459
Yep, looks like her cape is clipping into the weapon.

>>720752012
>muh gpu
apis are full of cruft. gpu drivers suck donkey dick. also 1080p and higher require a lot more power. if you render games at 720p even shitty gpus can handle it at 60fps