Thread 720745031

Moving in for the kill, Nintendo wants the entire concept of Pal battling removed from Palworld through their new patent passed (as always and without hesitation) by the Japanese office of patents (JOP). Therein, the concept of 'summoning a character to fight another' outlaws all forms of monster battling, and may even impair game mechanics employed in games such as Dark Souls (but of course, Nintendo, doesn't go after the big players of the industry).

https://gamerant.com/nintendo-palworld-lawsuit-character-summoning-battle-new-patent/

It seems Masuda won't stop until Palworld until the children devs are flipping burguers.

The shocking thing is that Nintendo doesn't demand royalties from Palworld. This is not about money, it is about domination. They just want to see Palworld gutted until it has no features left. Forcing Palworld to remove pal battles would completely decharacterize the game.

>>720745031 (OP)
When you can't compete with product you do jew shit like that.

>>720745031 (OP)
What a bunch of fucking retards. Think of how much money they're spending on lawsuits when they could just make a better game.

Do you even do that in Palworld. I thought you just shot guns at the Pokémon and all the pals run around aimlessly with bad ai

>>720745031 (OP)
Wouldn't that affect any rpg with a summoning system? And digimon?

>>720745031 (OP)
>It seems Masuda won't stop until Palworld until the children devs are flipping burguers.

>>720745402
There's a battle arena /battle tower now and it includes wild shit and a pc box in the patent.
>>720745559
Yes and SMT. Nintendo would lose a lawsuit to both more or less predate pokemon. SMT came out before and Digimon is the spiritual successor to Tamagachi.

>the money people spent on pokemon xy chromosome or whatever is funneled into this for years instead of more games
nice company lol

>>720745747
So what's their plan here? Or are they so secluded they think they can get away with it?
Maybe it's just about annoying the pal devs.

>>720745559
No because what this is actually a patent for is the Gen 9 system where you send out your creature and it auto resolves combat against enemies in a designated area

>>720745559
Yes. That's the point

>>720745838
They really are just retarded scumbags huh?

>>720745031 (OP)
Surely there is a law against frivolous patents, right? This will come back to bite them in the ass as it should, won't it?

>>720745887
>So what's their plan here? Or are they so secluded they think they can get away with it?
they invented jumping, they can do anything

>>720745887
Grasp at straws until they lose. Surely jap courts and American courts aren't so retarded that they won't take into account the fact that Palworld is older than the patents, and that Nintendo clearly got them as retaliation. After Nintendo loses pocketpair said they're gonna put the mechanics back in the game.

>>720746106
>jap courts
>not retarded

I want to see the Palworld devs executed live by a man in a Pikachu mascot costume and I won’t be happy until I get it

>>720745559
Yes, but the difference is that Digimon and SMT and such games do not threaten GameFreak's ego.

The entire matter is the ego of Gamefreak devs.

Digimon can't make a good game for the life of them. SMT is niche. FromSoft is Nintendo's partner dev.

>>720746032
All patents are frivolous, and Japan has no laws. They just do whatever the zaibatsus tell them to. Nintendo is the gaming zaibatsu.

Miyamoto at one point wanted to patent jumping, which would have been catastrophic to the industry and stopped the genre of platformers.

>>720746459
>Digimon can't make a good game for the life of them.
Cyber sleuth, hackers memory and time stranger which isn't even out yet are all better than any pokemon game

I don't get why this one game asshurt Nintendo so badly that they turned into lunatics.

>>720745031 (OP)
GOOD

GO FOR SMT TOO NINTENDO

FUCK ATLUS

>>720745559
Shin Megami Tensei is next. After that will be Persona. Nintendo is going all the way and I support it. Altus will be bankrupt by the end of this decade.

>>720746641
I wanted to like Cyber Sleuth but it was just missing a lot of features I wanted. The forced character lock is cringe. The lack of clothing options is gay, and the digimon system still felt weak compared to Dawn/dusk(also better than any pokemon game)

>>720746654
>I don't get why this one game asshurt Nintendo so badly that they turned into lunatics

They tried to sign a merch sale deal with Sony. Nintendo could see the writing on the wall. Palworld was going to set up a bootleg Pokémon powered by Sony.

>>720745031 (OP)
1) The patent was filled in 2020
2) The patent is specifically about "Summoning a monster out of a ball. If the ball hits another monster they battle autonomously, if it hits the ground, the monster runs after you and looks for materials to pick up and other monsters to battle". The one, single game in history this patent applies to is Pokemon Scarlet and Violet. It's not even Pokemon specific.
3) Learn to think for yourself instead of lapping up whatever journos spew

The only reason anyone talks about Palworld is because of Nintendo and Pokemon. And only in the context of shitting on them.

What an amazing game!

>>720747046
Not when it completely died months before Nintendo even sued them.

>>720745031 (OP)
They gonna sue Fate, Final Fantasy and WoW now?

Pokemon already has such a monopoly it's crazy to me they think they need any more

>>720745559
technically yes, but patents are literally an 'i win' card - you can selectively choose who to mess with, and not defending your patents doesn't make it go away

>>720745251
Not so retarded if you put it like that, if they own the whole concept, that means they can put any trash on the market without competition

>>720746106
They stand no chance of winning in an American court. Pocket Pair might should just pack up and leave Japan. The courts there will never side with them even when it's blatantly obvious they should.

>>720745559
reddit

>>720746641
In what way?

>>720747228
Will it be okay if it is octahedron instead of ball?

>>720746035
i like that he is so lost in his own delusion he forgot DK is a copy of King Kong.

>>720748914
Isnt a pal always summoned at your side before a fight?

>>720745031 (OP)
If Nintendo does it, I agree.

Palworld should switch to a phone device to "call up" their pals like the Telefang games. Problem solved.

>>720745031 (OP)
They have officially pissed off Disney it has never been more over for Square Enix trying to cock block the next Kingdom Hearts game with this.

>>720745031 (OP)
>It seems Masuda won't stop until Palworld until the children devs are flipping burguers.
until until

>>720750331
That would actually require Palworld devs to make something new instead of copying from others.
Why do you think they just cut out the contested mechanics instead of replacing them?

>>720745031 (OP)
based palworld devs, they exposed nintendo for the scum they are
I hope people make more nintendo copycat games just to piss them off

>>720745232
It's easier not competing.

>>720745031 (OP)
Digibros, what now

2 nukes were too lenient.
We actually needed a 3rd nuke to hit nintndo hadquarter.

>>720746035
Friendly reminder some certain people tried to patent the human genome. These people have 0 morales.

>>720746035
>raughs
Very grew moments like this when I think two nukes wasn't enough

Fuck nintendo. I'm done buying their soulless garbage

And fuck them and their stifling of creativity

>>720745232
FPBP

>>720745031 (OP)
will they go after retail wow?

>>720745232
Palworld isn't even competition. Even the shit Pokemon games sell 2x as much as Palworld. Nintendo's punching down out of pure pettiness.

>>720747349
Oh you poor deluded tendie

>>720745031 (OP)
Good

>>720753562
This. Let Nintendo patent every game mechanic and burn the industry to the ground.

>>720753239
Nintendo only sues small devs or individuals. They're too pussy to pick a fight with anybody that can fight back.

It is your moral duty to hate and attack Nintendo. I don't give a fuck if it's about throwing a ball or not. Nintendo and other companies have all copied each other for decades.

>>720752461
For once I agree with a weeb

Patents need to be removed from existence.
They are literally stopping us from progressing as a species.

>>720753512
>doesn't show the all time peak that shows how badly it died

>>720745031 (OP)
What’s next? Patenting crummy water?

>>720749865
Yeah, the throwing a sphere to summon a pal at a specific spot was removed due to the patent shit.

>>720745031 (OP)
>Should we improve our dogshit new games?
>No we will just sue competitors haha
Cunts

>>720753889
>All games (even non live service games like Palworld) need to grow indefinitely, this includes player count!
You're almost as retarded as a modern investor

>>720745031 (OP)
I am disappointed by all the angry gamers in this thread, acting like Nintendo is wrong for defending their intellectual property.

Consider the following:
>1st - Nintendo has a right to defend itself, and if japanese courts rule in favor of Nintendo, it is because they had a legal right over all these game mechanics that were stolen. There are people PAID to decide patent law, and they are deciding in favor of Nintendo. Who gets to decide right and wrong is not your feelings, it is the japanese court. And the court favours Nintendo
>2nd - Nintendo (namely, Gamefreak and TPC) is the victim in this whole ordeal, it is not Palworld's ideas (if there were any) being stolen. You are blaming the victim
>3rd - Palworld is accused of infringing 35+ patent violations, not a couple. They were acting on bad faith

You are literally blaming the victim. Palworld they straight up marketed their game as a ripoff of Pokémon and Breath of the Wild. Then they tried to sign in with Sony for a merch sale deal. Maybe they were even going for an anime or a TCG, depending on the success of that. They had to be put down.

These devs are not even 30 yo. They are kids facing a courtroom battle that they can't win. Nintendo can retroactively add and change text to existing patents to make defense impossible. They've done that already.

You want the monster catching genre to evolve? Then do it the right way, paying due royalties for mechanics stolen. Don't just steal Nintendo's homework and put it up on Steam like you created it.

>>720749865
Yeah, you can summon and have one Pal out at any time whether or not you're fighting anything.
And they of course took out the mechanic of throwing a Sphere to summon from a distance.
Replace Pal Spheres with a 40mm Pal Launcher, tendy has no claim on that.

Dig Dug just patented digging

OP is panicking because if he can't summon his boogs then players will finally make some progress.

>>720745031 (OP)
I’ve never seen Nintendo be this relentless over a smal indie company and their small early access game, meanwhile they’re out here copying Minecraft like nothing.

>>720745031 (OP)
Total nintenigger death

>>720754067
>Palworld they straight up marketed their game as a ripoff of Pokémon and Breath of the Wild
Nope. Retarded journalists did for click bait.
>Nintendo is the victim
Ahahaha you're so naive.

>>720752461
Someone should do a Kyoani but with Game Freak headquarters instead. That will send the message.

>>720745031 (OP)
FUCK NINTENDO

how the fuck can a patent made AFTER the lawsuit affect it?

>>720745887
>get the patent
>fuck palworld in the ass
>lose the patent afterwards
Yes, they are that petty

>>720752461
every time i read a nindenjew move i always think
>HOW IS THIS EVEN LEGAL?
Then i reply to myself
>Bribes, corruption
copyright is retarded, i hope this starts some outrage about it

Using jews to dab on copycats is fuckin based.

>>720745232
Imagine how lame the console wars would’ve been if Nintendo just took Sega and Sony to court and used the law against them. Nintendo really has lived long enough to become the villain

>>720745251
TRVKE NUTH

>>720745559
Nintendo is going to scare lots of aspiring game developers with their lawsuit nonsense

>>720745887
They recently added something similar to a roguelike mode to DK Bananza and claim it's an entirely new genre that is so new it doesn't have a name yet
They are deluded
They really don't know what's happening outside their company
I know they like to brag about how they specifically don't hire gamers but maybe they should hire at least one

>>720755181
>Nintendo patents roguelikes next

>>720746035
Sega invented idle animations

>>720754067
>Nintendo (namely, Gamefreak and TPC) is the victim in this whole ordeal, it is not Palworld's ideas (if there were any) being stolen. You are blaming the victim
So you’re saying that Nintendo should never have competition, they're just too good to be faced with adversity and they’re the Disney of video games.

>>720754291
>minecraft invented voxels
>retard doesn't know the DQB team is making the game

>>720747007
>Altus will be bankrupt by the end of this decade.

How much you wanna bet that will actually happen by the year 2030?

>>720745031 (OP)
patents are supposed to be novel and non-obvious
can we sue the patent office for not doing its fucking job?

>>720746417
woah shigeru i didn't know you posted here

Anti-Nintendism is gay. Fuck off palsnoys.

>>720748914
>Throw item > creature appears > battle starts (auto or command)
this is literally pre-emptive strike in any RPG
>enemy gets weakened > throw item again
it's not the same item you retard, it's another ball
>capture succeeds > new creature joins your party
pokemon has been doing this shit since 1996, almost 30 years ago
furthermore, pokemon is not the only series where you throw capsules/nets/whatever at creatures to capture them
it's preposterous that this patent was granted

>>720745031 (OP)
>>720745232
fpbp
Nintendo would rather sue small companies into the ground than put actual time and effort into making good games.

>>720745559
Probably not, since like how everybody can tell, Nintendo didn't sue palworld because they take their parents very seriously, they did it because they think it infringes upon their brand and image in a potentially harmful way. The patents are just the means to an end.

>>720747259
Nintendo is stupid they keep giving the game free publicity rather than leaving it alone to fade away, just look at all those Platform Fighters like Nick All Star Brawl and Multiversus, those faded away because they sabotaged themselves.

>>720755636
>pokemon invented capturing monsters to fight for you
Don't look up what game released four years before red and blue

What if Palworld was an inside job so Nintendo had an excuse to muster up monopolizing patents like this one?

all this patent does is make me not want to buy a single nintendo system
nintendo is pretty much as evil as disney, microsoft, apple, and google

>>720748914
>>720745031 (OP)
Even if the patent is specific and somewhat reasonable, I don't understand how they can patent mechanics they first introduced over 30 years ago when patents only last 20 years. Isn't there some sort of deadline to patent something?

>>720756227
mihoyo is getting in on it too though. i think it's just been long overdue for a monster pet game that isn't digimon.

RIP shin megami tensei
RIP persona
RIP dragon quest monsters
RIP wow pet battles/warlocks
RIP digimon games

>>720747259
Disingenuous post. Palworld gets plenty of threads when new updates come out, there isn't much going on right now.

>>720752461
Agreed, Japan needs to be put in its place their tiny little islands ain’t worth shit compared to bigger land masses around the world.

>>720753615
Westoids are going to burn the industry to the ground for a second time anyway. May as well just speed things up.

>>720745031 (OP)
We need to boycott pokemon. I am going to stop cooming to all pokegirls. Even if I'm hard for misty, I won't coom out of respect for palworld.

>>720745232
When you're born from a criminal syndicate, you're bound to be a petty cunt forever.

>>720753210
Cheers Palbro

Why would a new patent be retroactive?

>>720754291
Except minecraft is a copy of infiniminer and infiniminer clearly stole concepts from pokemon including the spritework

>>720756189
Nobody said that you fucking retard, read the actual patent instead of spouting retarded shit

>>720755959
Right, and they have to do all those things at once for it to count
>it's another ball
Are you being dumb on purpose on this point or what

I have gone from disliking Nintendo to hating Nintendo. They are inconveniencing me now, they've become worse than microsoft.

>>720745031 (OP)
This is bad for everyone. If you're counting on Nintendo not enforcing any patent they hold with other companies besides pocket pair, all it takes is one bad year for revenue and they'll explore options of leaning on other devs.

>>720745232
They know they can't compete with all the new talent coming while nips are jaded and slow now

I’m guessing it won’t effect persona though right?

>>720753762
Also Copyright Laws

>>720756778
They are basically fucking over japanese companies and unironically just making chinks stronger since chinks don't give a fuck about patents while japanese companies need to either pay or don't add the QoL

>>720753906
Patenting pails

>>720756903
unfortunately it will... monster battles will be very expensive to implement from here on out

>>720756608
Nice collage

>>720749678
They certainly memory hole'd that trial, didn't they?

>>720754067
Except the only reason Nintendo is doing it is because they have the money to bully PocketPair and are only doing it because Palworld took off. Craftopia was basically bootleg BotW but Ninty didn't give a fuck because it wasn't making money anyway. Temtem was made in the US so Nintendo couldn't drag them to a Japanese courtroom. There's nothing stolen here, unless you forgot all the fucking mental gymnastics bootlickers did to claim they stole models and Nintendo didn't even bother because patent trolling is the only thing they could get away with.

>>720745031 (OP)
Aren't just screwing over persona and final fantasy

>>720745031 (OP)
how can you retro patent 30 years rold mechanic??
murrica is fucking joke

>>720757080
>Craftopia was basically bootleg BotW but Ninty didn't give a fuck because it wasn't making money anyway
This is the real damning truth ITT. If Nintendo truly cared about defending it's parents it would have gone after Craftopia first.

>>720755246
>the rogue devs reascend to rape nintendo and reclaim the amulet of yendor

>>720747259
>Says this when pokemon threads is always the same indians samefagging posting the same covers over and over

>>720746106
Japanese patent law allows for patents to be created after and be used to retroactively sue. It doesn't matter if someone else did it first

to be very fair palworld is a blatant pokemon ripoff tho

>>720749151
Unironically, yes. The patent is very specific about what it's suppose to do. They can change it from a sphere to a storage type throwable object but the courts might not approve it since it might be too vague of a claim, and has nothing to do with their own games anymore.

>>720745031 (OP)
At this point this is genuinely more of an antitrust scenario than Microsoft buying half the western industry, jesus christ.

>>720754067
You and I both know tPC is fighting significantly below the belt, and that's before we talk about rhe trickery of pulling a patent and asking it to apply to a game that came out before you filed.
As a mega Pokemon fan I want the franchise to do better, but it has stagnated and spent all its time and effort into merchandising and stopping anyone from evolving the genre. The throne has rusted beneath them and I'm tired of acting like this is ok. They aren't in the right legally, and they are even less in the right morally. I would agree Pocketpair came too close to copying Pokemon by many of the creature designs, but guess what? They didn't sue on copyright, they decided to sue based soley on patent, and the idea that you and nobody else can release a work of fiction with
>summoning balls
>summoning a creature for creature v creature combat
>using creatures as mounts and swapping between them
>using objects as points of interest to interact with in an environment
Is so profoundly entitled and stupid that I find this not even worth entertaining if they weren't burning millions to scream about it. Seriously, fuck Pokemon, and I say that with love. It's like watching a family member one go homeless, become a meth head and get arrested stealing lighters from a 711. Fucking shameful.

>>720755423
SEGA invented characters rolling into a ball and Nintendo owes the a fuckton for Metroid, Mario Oddessy, and Donkey Kong.

And dumbfucks will still defend the retarded IP/patent system.

>>720745031 (OP)
Nintendo needs to get KyoAni'd badly.

the real question is why nintendo is going scorched earth against palworld? because it got popular? smt and digimon were also popular, because it got a deal with sony and microsoft? because pokemon is so dogshit nowadays they have to do this?

on a side note square should sue nintendo for that ditto game being a carbon copy of dragon quest builders

>>720753762
>>720756925
>>720757782
thieving niggers detected

>>720757849
SMT predates pokemon so they would look like huge hypocrites going after it, especially since they ripped off a few of their designs

>>720757885
Shalom

>>720757885
Will you defend Pokemon and Nintendo's thieveries?

>>720745031 (OP)
Nintendo and TPC have put more passion and effort into patenting fun and legally stifling their competition than they have in all pokemon games of the last decade combined. Gameplay patents as a whole should be nullified. It's purely detrimental to an industry that already requires constant innovation and novelty to remain relevant, and only allows evil companies like nintendo to hold entertainment back.

>>720757849
>because pokemon is so dogshit nowadays they have to do this?
This is most likely the case

palkek lost

>>720758131
Pics or gtfo

>>720756296
There's no deadline, but in the real world you aren't allowed to patent something once it has become standard practice. The specific wording in the US is it has to be novel, non-obvious, and not a part of the prior art. The ball loop described would be novel, non-obvious would be questionable, but it is absolutely a part of the prior art at this point. By 2000 it was.
Basically, if someone made some indie game that five people played and then twenty years later patented something from it, that'd be fine. Nobody really knew about it even if it wasn't technically new. But Pokemon is literally the most well known franchise in the world.

>>720757969
The patents does not cover any games that's already been out. Seriously, there is zero game that actual infringes on any of the Pokémon patents other than Palworld.

I'm going to patent holding a gun in the corner of the screen.
I'm going to patent pressing a button causing you to zoom in and/or use the sights on the gun.
I'm going to patent yellow paint marking where to go.

Now I'll be rich.

>>720753762
Patents are fine. Japanese patents are not.

>>720758329
>>720758206
What about those US patents that were recently accepted?

kojima could have been a millionaire

>>720747228
While everything you say is true and how patents work, that isn't the real problem. The problem is that even with a very specific type of implementation with a mechanic it means that Nintendo can do copyright trolling. They can sue anyone and then the onus will be on the party being sued to prove that they aren't violating the copyright. This is a tremendous strain on resources and could be catastrophic in many cases since a big company like Nintendo can just draw it out and win by wasting everyone's time and money since they have more money to burn.

It's why the nemesis mechanic from the Lord of the Rings game has never been replicated. It has a very specific implementation and anyone could easily do something similar but in a wholly different way, but they choose not to because they don't want to get copyright trolled by Warner Bros.

Copyright abuse has been very damaging to long term innovation but no one is going to do anything about it and soon we'll basically hit a wall where nothing can be created anymore unless you are a corpo puppet.

>pokemon is such uber dogshit that even some literal who indie devs makes a better pokemon game than you
>instead of raking gamefreak over the coals and making better games you just sue the competition into the grave
Nintendo is acting like palworld killed their firstborn child or some shit.

>>720758423
I blame the left for those failure in the US patent system.

>>720758427
Mario 64 had Lakitu holding a camera ro represent the cmgsme camera in 96

>>720758551
>tendies are now having a stroke trying to defend nintendo
lmao

>>720758308
you should patent making false equivalences

They stole.
Get over it.

>>720745031 (OP)
Still playing pokemon

>>720758447
That's literally not how it works. A patent isn't just the abstract and is actually a detailed step-by-step process backed by diagrams and technical details that you can only infringe upon if you match every single step written. Matching one detail or step is not enough, you need to match everything.

>>720758447
>It's why the nemesis mechanic from the Lord of the Rings game has never been replicated. It has a very specific implementation and anyone could easily do something similar but in a wholly different way, but they choose not to because they don't want to get copyright trolled by Warner Bros.
Warframe actually has the nemisis system in it, it functions incredibly simillarly but it could be legally distinct enough I dunno.

>>720758423
Ah yes, 'those' ones. Well, you know what they say.

>>720758923
Do you keep up with the news? I won't spoonfeed you because you act dickish. Maybe if you ask nicley I'd sauce you.

>>720758475
>Nintendo is acting like palworld killed their firstborn child or some shit
They did something worse from nintendo's standpoint, they started expanding towards merchandise, pokemon's real profit area.

>>720745031 (OP)
But that would make leftist unable to mass import third world street shitters to fight on their behalf

>>720758551
not the same. are you people just intentionally misunderstanding kojima so you can dunk on him? before mgs, the "camera" in games was nothing more than a window into the game. when kojima says he invented the concept of cameras in games, he's talking about the cinematic use of cameras. instead of just keeping the same angle while characters talk like an inert utilitarian thing, kojima started playing with angles, cuts etc. like in a movie. that's what he means when he says that. just compare non pre rendered dialogue scenes from FF7 (1997) to those of Vagrant Story (2000). the influence mgs had cannot be denied. so yes, as weird and cringe as it sounds, kojima did in fact invent the camera as an actual CONCEPT inside of games instead of just being a thing that determines what's rendered.

>>720753210
is that image real? wtf tendies, explain

>>720758817
>Still consuming Pokeslop
Yikes

palfags brought this on themselves because they dared to take a swing at the king
now everyone gets pimp slapped by nintendo's legal team because some chinese got too uppity

>>720759062
Your explanation makes sense but look at the context clues I had to go off of from that little tweet and tell me I was wrong for misunderstanding his meaning.

>>720745031 (OP)
Based Nintendo making the brown posters seethe lmao

>>720758839
The patent troll can still file a lawsuit to drain your resources.
Only big companies can handle them.

>>720759152
Gamefreak is a small indie studio with little monetary resources to hire good talent please understand

>>720759193
Your observation seems incongruant with reality.

>>720745232
You're right the japs are jews. Careful though the weebs won't like you saying that.

>>720754978
>game companies are le villains
You're a grown man. Have some dignity.

>>720745031 (OP)
Doesn't Nintendo realize that this only gives Palworld more momentum?

>>720759310
Said the esl poster

>>720759152
Nah the graphics are significantly better than that, even on the Switch lite. Don't get me wrong they still suck by even 2010 standards but not nearly that bad.

>>720759229
>Nintendo making their own fans seethe
Weird decision for a company to make but ok

>>720759615
>didn't even deny being brown
Relax boy

>>720759568
Not an argument.
>>720759615
They are obviously chasing the money at this point, as

>>720745031 (OP)
Why are Pokemon fans like this?

>>720759724
*as the rest of the industry does this on a typical basis

>>720759945
truth nuke. why are they like this?