Thread 721067837

There has literally never been a more vindicating time to be a Sonic fan. What the fuck happened in the last five years?

>>721067837 (OP)
Sonic was always cooler than Mario. Mario loses the moment a kid has access to Sonic

>>721067837 (OP)
Sonic Team stepped up. Yuji Naka also got fired.

>>721067837 (OP)
Sonic Generations got censored so it doesn't count. The other stuff? Yeah. Mario is well and btfo.

The passion of Kishimoto

Does Blaze wear pants or not

>>721067837 (OP)
>>721067923
>>721067985
SA2?
Peak

>>721068089
Yes

>>721068089
It's very obviously pants.

>>721068047
>Mario is well and btfo.
Mario gets 9s and 10s every year from shit that is seen as inconsequential, while anything above mediocrity is seen as some great comeback for Sonic.

Also the Mario Movie made 3x as much as Sonic did. Good for Sonic for not being shit anymore, but a movie and two games (one a spinoff, and the other being glorified DLC for the last 3D Sonic game that wasn't shit) isn't exactly btfoing Mario anytime soon.

we’ve done this song and dance before

>game that does better than expected critically (Colors/ Frontiers)
>subpar “classic” style game (4 / Superstars)
>Sonic Generations
>Mario Kart “killer” (Transformed / Crossworlds)

it’s all downhill from here

>>721067837 (OP)
>DemolitionD declares Sonic Advemture 1 to be a great game
People were wrong about sonic for a long time. Even when the games sucked there was no reason to give up on the franchise.

>>721068207
Mario is gay and retarded as a franchise and the mario movie sucked balls. I don't hate playing the mario games but I never remember them.

>>721068280
Let's be real, the Sonic and Mario movies both suck balls.

>>721068210
There was not a highly successful movie franchise attached to the IP in the 2010s, anon.

>>721068207
Sonic is finally getting positive reviews from IGN.
Mario is opening theme parks.

They are not in the same universe to anyone other than deranged Sonicfags.

>>721068554
Fuck you, now you have me imagining a Sonic theme park. Think of the rollercoasters you could have. And the music too.

>>721068501

all the more reason for Sega to get complacent once more and shit the bed as they do

>>721068212
>DemolitionD
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO??????????????

>>721068554
This isn't quite the slam dunk argument you think it is.

Mario is opening theme parks and enjoying that level of success because he is like Mickey Mouse: a sterile, unflinching cartoon mascot that is safe and can be stamped onto pretty much any product you choose. He is rounded, cuddly, and inoffensive. He is designed to be as broad and marketable as possible, which is fine, but doesn't leave much else to him. There is no personality there beyond 'OKEY DOKEY, WAHOO!' His own brother is the more interesting character. Plus the setting is the most generic candy-coloured thing imaginable. There is no real danger, no mystery.

Meanwhile, Sonic's universe has a bit more grit and edge to it. People die, permanently. There is lore. Cool music. I'm not going to act like it's the bloody Iliad, but there is actual stuff to latch onto. It damages the potential for broad appeal, but it's undeniably a more interesting universe than Mario's.

>>721068554
Mario wants to be the next Mickey Mouse so bad. I wouldn't be surprised if Miyamoto already has ideas for his own country like Walt did with Epcot.

>>721068893
Anon. Sonic is a cartoon rodent.

>>721068893

> Sonic's universe has a bit more grit and edge to it

sure, in the 2000s. Today? Lmao.

>>721068893
Honestly I wish Sonic was more like the OVA nowadays. The more dramatic moments in stuff like Frontiers didn't do it for me. Felt a little silly honestly.

>>721068893
You left out the part where Mario consistently has really good games and Sonic games have largely been shit.

>censored remaster
>movie slop
Sure, if you like Sonic being a merchandise franchise it's a good time but for those who like VIDEO GAMES (remember where you are) it's still as bad as ever.

>>721067837 (OP)
Sega started treating it as a flagship franchise again and bought out the reviewers.
That's the only difference. The quality is just as bad.

>>721067985
Yuji Naka quit in 2005, dude. He had nothing to do with Sonic other than being CEO of the Balan Wonderworld company that they outsourced Sonic Superstars to. Then he got imprisoned right when the game was getting conceptualized so he literally had nothing to do with Sonic for 20 years at this point.

>>721068089
i need art of her not wearing pants now

>>721068712
>ride spins you to 9000rpm and launches you through bumpers
fund it

what's the best 3d sonic game?

>makes sixtillion dollars
>cultural impact of a wet fart and nobody even remembers it a week after release
How does this happen?

>>721070190
Official? Sonic adventure
Fan? Sonic robo blast 2

>>721070283
Illumination. They make pretty movies that make gangbusters, but their writing is as boringly basic as it gets.

>>721068207
Deduct the nintendo bonus and you'll get the real score.

>>721070372
>sa1
>better than just okay

>>721070283
I don't really care for mario or sonic but when I watched this movie there was a lot of children in the theater.

>>721070283
I liked it. Comparing it to the first Sonic movie it's probably like a thousand times better.

>>721067837 (OP)
Sonic was always good

>>721070190
Sonic adventure 2.

>>721070558
I agree it's better than Sonic Movie 1, but man it's going to take a lot for the Mario movies to surpass Sonic Movie 3, that's the perfect video game movie adaptation imo

>>721067837 (OP)
I'm glad people liked the move (never saw it).
Shame the games aren't very good yet.

>>721070675
Sadly Sonic has no better story to tell than SA2, not even close. Without diving into the comics, and that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

>>721070675
Sonic 3 was surprisingly fun, even though I wish they could've played Live and Learn in it's entirety. Sonic 1 was a very generic kids movie and I felt genuine embarrassment watching Sonic 2.

>>721070504
It's got the schmovement. Levels are so open and have possibilities to go real fast if you know what to do, sa2 kind of still has that, but not really. Everything after is more on rails progressively

>>721070798
The next one seems to be a mix of Sonic CD and bit of Sonic Heroes, I think it could work, the director and writers convinced me they know this franchise pretty good.

>>721070835
You could tell the people who made Sonic 1 & 2 didn't like or understand Sonic, but those who made Sonic 3 were big fans. The Mario movie was also made by big fans, and it looks like the sequel will see the corpos stepping back on the idiotic decisions like replacing Mario music with Take on Me.

>>721070675
>that's the perfect video game movie adaptation imo
Get real. I can accept someone liking it as a film, but as an adaptation it sucks ass

>>721067837 (OP)
>censored port
>movies
>racing gsme with day-1 $30 dlc

>>721070440
Do add 10 points to the score.

>>721071014
What was censored? Post it.

>>721070978
>You could tell the people who made Sonic 1 & 2 didn't like or understand Sonic
Weren't they made by the same dudes? I wouldn't be surprised if Sonic 1 was so generic due to executives not wanting to take a risk. After it was a hit, they gave them a little bit more freedom for 2 and then let them go all out with 3. Hopefully that means 4 will be pure Sonic.

>>721071014
Just so all other anons are aware of the level of retardation they are dealing with, whenever someone mentions the 'censorship' of Shadow Generations they are talking about two inches of cloth added to the back of Rouge the Bat's costume.

These are the straws they must clutch at to make the series look bad nowadays.

Amy solo game when

>>721071014
>these well-received things inextricably associated with the brand being discussed don't count because... well, because I say they don't, okay?!

>>721071207
I blame AVGN. Nobody focused on the negative before that.

>>721071014
yeah, rouge's tits were more covered up
they also rewrote the generations part REALLY weirdly...
Shadow generations however, is REALLY good.
Ideally you should play the OG generations and then pick up the shadow generations half of the package.
>>721071207
they're always inconsistent and weird about rouge's boobs. sometimes they're there in all their glory, sometimes they're covered... It's weird.

>>721071425
>Shadow generations however, is REALLY good.
I hear people say this a lot but I've never played it. I didn't like Generations.

>>721071425
I mean, it's good, because it's essentially DLC for Generations and Generations was good, but it's really short, and despite that it still felt like it dragged on. They can do better, and worse, oh so much worse.

>>721071583
I thought it went on for just the right amount of time and paid alot of respect to Shadow in the process.

>>721071425
>Shadow guarding Maria's hymen with his life

>>721070675
Based and Truthpilled, Mario movies are stuck with dog shit illumination and all their movies are just pure slop which Mario Movie 1 felt like in areas.

>>721071547
I'm not sure how you'd feel about it...

>>721067837 (OP)
>What the fuck happened
Personally I think the whole ugly sonic thing was where the "redemption" arc started.
The fact that they were willing to go back and fix it rather than doing what every other company does now and tell its fans and customers to get fucked earned them a lot of good will.

>>721071939
What's good about it? Nobody ever says what they like about the game, just that "it's good!"

>>721072000
It was inside job. There is no way they fixed the entire movie in such a short notice.

>>721072000
I always wondered if they used Penders' art as reference by mistake. It looks a lot like his art, not gonna lie.

>>721072056
I still don't buy that narrative. There was already so much bts stuff and merch being made before the change. It was literally just executives being fucking retarded and not understanding why people like Sonic's design.

>>721070675
Sonic 3 was alright but I can't get over the toddler humor. I get it, the movie is for kids but Mario movie is also for kids and the jokes feel less toddler centric. Also what the fuck is up with the music? Wow they used an actual Sonic song for like 20 second, is that supposed to be impressive? That shit should be blasting through the whole movie

>>721071743

as opposed to Alvin and the Chipmunks with the occasional fight scene

>>721072056
This conspiracy theory has always been fucking stupid. They had the entire marketing campaign and reams of merchandise with the ugly design ready to go (so much surplus, in fact, that they had to start giving it away for free years later with copies of Colors Ultimate).

The studio was not in the business of pissing millions down the drain for no reason. It cost them millions more to fix the model, but it paid off in the end with PR. Tyson Hesse had to beg and beg them to get them to capitulate. It was not as easy as you're making out.

>>721072052
If you dont like gens you probably wont like Shadow Gens. You can just think of it as Gens with better controls, much better level design, and Chaos Control. The physics have improved in some areas, (Ramps) but got worse in others (Springs)

>>721072052
It feels good playing as Shadow, he has a bunch of attacks and abilities exclusive to him, and his levels are fun to play through.
The boss fights are hype as fuck, the music rules, the story's kinda' beautiful... It's all very well presented. It's an overall good package.

>>721071547
Shadow Gens does play differently to Sonic Gens but it would depend what you didn't like about the original. For instance I didn't like how sluggish Shadow was in the air and even his boost speed was a bit slow for my liking but I did eventually adjust to it.

>>721071743
I don't think I've seen an illumination movie since the despicable me. Are they really that good?

>>721072162
>Sonic 3 was alright but I can't get over the toddler humor.
I have a really bad sense of humor and thought the double Jim Carrey antics were funny. Anything with the fat black lady or anyone else in the series was dogshit.

>>721072056
You are mentally ill.

>>721069361
You might just be irony poisoned.

>>721072673
>set to be a major character in Sonic 4
Oh fuck, the next wave of furries is here, isn't it?

>>721072793
Amy isn't supposed to be sexy, she's supposed to be annoying.

>>721072865
>Amy isn't supposed to be sexy

Then they failed, miserably.

>>721072939
That's just because every Sonic character is designed for sex. If you want wife material, try Cassia the Pronghorn.

>>721070675
>konichi-whaaaaaaa
it was for toddlers. The self congratulation here for passing the somewhat low bar of having two good games in a row (one is a rerelease) is crazy

>>721073295
>Boom Amy
Surprised they even bothered trying to make Boom a thing in Japan, it was explicitly designed for Westerners.

>>721067837 (OP)
irs crazy sonic got saved by sonic maina from then on its been plus plus plus

>>721072052
Greater focus on 3D platforming levels than Sonic Gens if you prefer that style.
Has a limited flight power that can be used for some dumb skips once you get the ability to whip it out.
Hub world is pretty varied in challanges offered, but also feels great to explore as you unlock all the stages and reintroduce life and color.
You get to play as Shadow the Hedgehog

>>721068893
>Meanwhile, Sonic's universe has a bit more grit and edge to it. People die, permanently. There is lore. Cool music. I'm not going to act like it's the bloody Iliad, but there is actual stuff to latch onto.

>>721071014
>>racing gsme with day-1 $30 dlc
why you upset about DLC
donkey knog what its like the 5th best game ever 20 dolla DLC thats less then a free update of astrobot but 5th best game ever enjoy that slop anon

>>721070283
I wish we got the greentext version

>>721070798
We haven't got the SA1 adaption yet

Maria's fat ass

>>721067837 (OP)
Watch out, bubsy is coming for you.

>>721074189
You have a stroke trying to defend a season pass?

>>721067837 (OP)
Nothing. Game journos aren't being upitty fags about kids games anymore. Objectively though, we're in a weird fractured sonic era. There are too many secondary or "fans of the series but not the games" these days. Surpringly the films weren't a cancer as most normies go for jim carrey.

>>721074434
Chaos is a boring villain.

>>721077557
Nta, but chaos as a whole is just cool. Thats all sonic needs.

>>721070675
I wouldn't say perfect but Sonic 3 is the best video game adaptation so far

>>721067837 (OP)
A focus on Shadow.

>>721070835
I thought it was nice to see a hollywood film be sincere in its fights and tone
. My father loves these films because of jim carrey and thought the dual fight at the end was great. They did cuck out of using live and learn though.

>>721070283
Nobody who watched it is old enough to post here yet

>>721070675
Sonic 3 has its problems but I agree it’s one of the better movie adaptations of a videogame, especially considering how the first Sonic was not an adaptation in the least, and Sonic 3 had to pick up from where 1 and 2 left off

>>721074162
>xitter meme image
go back

>>721071014
The irony of you criticizing day one DLC when Nintendo announced DLC and merchandise for games that aren’t even out yet on that last Direct

>>721071547
Shadow feels more like a platformer than Sonic. Also the stages feel like actual stages with creative level design as opposed to just “DUDE just hold down boost lmao”

>>721068210
So the next Sonic game is gonna have a different formula for a new audience. And then they're gonna go back to Frontiers styled gameplay only for that to flop miserably.

>>721078516
Sega sammy struggles as they gain and lose japanese foothold in seconds.
Reminder they wanted yakuza to be the main brand and they made that so lame and uncool to the masses in record time. Even with all the ads and eceleb shilling it only sold in the asia's because they wanted to see hawaii and kiryu. We've gone back to them falling back to sonic at this point. Even persona underperformed despite its retard spike at the start.

>>721077794
this but unironically.
Nobody talks about how Sonic “suddenly became good again” right on the year of Shadow

>>721078870
Persona suffers from online "fans" not real fans. There are more people who claim to like persona 5 than who have actually played it.

sonic peaked with the sonic boom cartoon

>>721078451
>announced dlc for games that aren’t even out yet
what do you think the season pass is, stupid?

>>721074820
always stroking my big cock anon

>>721078870
The real Sega killer is gacha. They have no real gacha competitors. They're losing heavily to chinese and korean games like Nikke and Wuthering Waves. Not to mention Genshin Impact, Deep Space, etc.

>>721078516
>>721078870
Someone @ Sega thought acquiring Angry Birds was a good idea.

>>721078870
Persona underperforms because 5 is a fucking 10 year old game now

>>721080135
Yeah I don't know why they bothered.

Name a bigger downgrade.

>>721080232
And? Its still about the same fans buying. The western push did nothing besides bring in obnoxious fags on twitter who "love the characters and story" but never played it.
Metaphor also had a strong start but fell off a cliff after its first 2 weeks. Raidou just came out and you can buy that for 25-30 in some places. They don't know who or what to target.

>>721068207
Was the Mario movie good or successful? Was Mario Kart World good or successful? McDonalds may sell better than a 5 Star Restaurant but the quality of the food is vast between the two. I don't care what sold more. I care about what was objectively better. And Mario lost to Sonic this season. Period.

>>721080327
sonic is 30 years old, he has to do formal poses now

>>721080740
Mario/Nintendo is objective better than Sonic/Sega. There's a reason that latter lost the console race and is about to almost get acquired by Microsoft.

>>721080740
Nta, but how? Mario kart world is a much better made game. Sonic while fun feels cheap and janky.

>>721080327
Sega of America vs Sega GLOBAL

>>721080454
People aren't buying shit because there's nothing to buy. I'm not buying P3 ported again for the Switch 2 or whatever the fuck, make a new game already

Sonic Team needs to make a new Phantasy Star already.

>>721080897
Then what? Its not going to grow. The same people who bought persona are the same one's who'll buy the new one.

>>721067923
Fpbp

>>721067923
that kid then turns into an turbo autistic furfag

>>721068210
>game that does better than expected critically (Colors/ Frontiers)
frontiers got mid scores

>>721081531
Depends on the kids access to the internet, and what he has access to.
Rouge's large bat tats kept me normal and productive.

>>721068893
>he is like Mickey Mouse
Does Disney even use Mickey for anything these days

>>721081706
after they censored rouge, lobotomized amy and all the idw shit I don't think the kids will turn out normal.

>>721068210
parallelfags are mentally ill
imagine waking up and going
>i ate burrito yesterday. i also atte burrito on the summer of 2005 and the next day my dog died.. today my bird will die
can you not live life without perceiving events as repeating consistent occurences?

>>721081531
I don't disagree with you but let's not pretend Bowser hasn't turned an entire generation into monster fucking Bara scalies and Mario autism is a very real thing.

>>721067837 (OP)
I dont like the Sonic movies and I don't think I would have liked them as a kid too if they came out exactly as is without any altering. They do not feel like what Sonic embodies.

>>721067837 (OP)
mania time was better
mania was also a better game than odyssey that year too

>>721081798
Kids don't know or care about comics. Those things struggle selling at all. If they do add secondary media to the games, as long as the girls are cute and normal its fine.

Reminder
The moment Sonic 4 movie flop, Sonic back to be a fucking joke

>>721081949
Also playing Live and Learn with Super Sonic only to abruptly end it with egg man being spanked was incredibly retarded. Idk im just a hater I guess, I cant bring myself to like movie sonic design either.

>>721068893
Thats on nintendo for treating mario as the breadwinner he is
Sega just didn't know what to do with sonic since he was just popular overseas rather than home turf, sonic 06 and the 25th anniversary stream being good examples of how little investment they arranged for him

>>721081949
They're not sonic. They're good normie/family movies though.
I've mentioned this before but my father and his friends get excited for a new jim carrey film, and use it as an excuse to take the families to the movies as a group. I was on college break when 3 released so I tagged along for it. It was pretty good, but you have to get over the fact sonic isn't sonic and knuckles is star fire for whatever reason.

>>721081962
>as long as the girls are cute and normal its fine.
They are literally Tumblr OCs looking and one of the artists of IDW promoted actual child pornography to children.

>>721069408
mario games are just poslished mediocrity. I havent played good mario games since before sonics dark age

>>721082092
I thought it was for the better. Both the eggman/gerald fight and sonic and shadow were handled sincerly. My theater had the fathers and older men there, including myself laughing and enjoying the carrey fight.

>>721082345
As true as that may be. As long as the girls are cute and aren't dykes or fags in the games then it doesn't matter. Kids don't read or care about comics.

>>721082506
This might make some tards angry, but archie was at least somewhat polular with kids. The current idw comic era is bought soley by terminally online men and trannies due to identity politics.

>>721067837 (OP)
>Sonic
Shadow*

I think we can all agree that the sonic movies an mario movie are not very good at least. sonic does just enough to feel passable but is dragged down by forced humor and human interactions and mario like its games looks and sounds nice but is shallow with awful direction.

>>721082639
Sonic's "family" suck. Eggman and even stone are good.

>>721081798
>idw
Unironically tranny infested, but that's a near guarantee nowadays to anyone working with children comics
its best to avoid that entirely

>>721082825
They added trannies to the tmnt and made the fucking transformers name litteral and gay. I hate idw

>>721082506
If they add any comic character, the first thing they should have sonic do is slap her on the ass to establish this isn't comic shit.

>>721081747
They had those Mickey Mouse shorts during the 2010's, and he is Disney Sorcerer's Arena (2020-2024), Disney Mirrorverse (2022-2024), Disney Speedstorm and Illusion Island. If we're counting tabletop, there's the Lorcana TCG. Other than that, no new shows, mostly just there for merch.

>>721067837 (OP)
Happy for the franchise for sure, but dammit, that next mainline game NEEDS to be good, because you know that, if it's shit, all this is going down the drain AGAIN.

>>721083854
The next game is likely Frontiers 2.

A bunch of movies and a bad open world game sold very well, which prompted Sega to give Sonic Team an actual budget and dev support on projects.

Also Iizuka moved up the chain and they got new producers, lmao.

>>721068210
>Frontiers
Game was terrible. It just sold well.

>>721067837 (OP)
They listened to their audience and got better at marketing.

>>721080135
Hey, they probably thought they could make lightning strike twice.

>>721085887
I say it's quite the opposite. We're out of the ironic era, but they still listen to rando's on twitter and online as opposed to proper sonic fags

>>721080062
If Sega was smart they would have handled Phantasy Star better, because good god did they kill it for overseas. I still remember when the America branch some rep said it would be coming out for us but then it took 5 or more years for Phantasy Star Online 2 to come over here and the moment it finally did likely others and myself just didn't give a fuck anymore. It's just stunning how they dropped the ball.

>>721088347
I just looked up and it was in fact 8 YEARS!

>>721068845
>who
>posts literal who

>>721088347
Do you remember when phantasy star online 2 was good? The original japanese version was great man. I spent so much hours playing that. The relaunch ruined everything

>>721073038
Who

The timeline is actually pretty clear. It can all be traced back to the first Sonic movie.

>Paramount fixes shitty Sonic model, earns the movie goodwill and interest it may not have had otherwise
>movie comes out and it's fine, kids really like it and this drives interest in the games, Sonic 2 reinforces this and also gets the fans onboard with more game characters
>Frontiers releases, and is the beneficiary of this goodwill even though it's mediocre, the sales prompt Sonic Team to be given more budget and people
>Sonic 3 releases, best movie yet, everyone likes it for the most part
>Shadow Gens releases and rides the movie's hype wave because of Shadow, does really well
>the perfect feedback loop of games into movies into games is now created
>all the while the brand is saturated everywhere with toys, IDW, Prime, basically there is more Sonic content than ever before
>Sonic Crossworlds seizes upon the middling reception of Mario Kart World and does gangbusters critically
>you are here, Sonic is on top of his game again

Now they just need to not fuck it up.

>>721067837 (OP)
>What the fuck happened in the last five years?

Movies and Frontiers convinced Sega to put more money and effort into the series again.

Stuff like Forces was shat out unfinished on a shoestring budget.

>Sonic movie 1 billion
It took an entire trilogy, and IIRC not a single movie even grossed 500 million globally, even with SA2 nostalgiafagging. Pretty standard fare, nothing crazy.
>Sonic x Shadow Gens
A step up, but still replete with retarded and contrived Flynn nostalgiafagging, rehashed plotlines and character arcs, and automated hallway gameplay that still fails to live up to the best of Gens/Unleashed levels.
>Crossworlds
Genuinely fun-looking game - better than MKW, even (not a particularly high bar to clear). My only criticisms is that it looks a little jank and lacks a ton of polish graphically and animation-wise compared to Mario Kart. Gameplay is paramount, but presentation matters too. Then again, it's nu-Sonic Team, so what can you do.

Nobody wants to hear me troon out about my feelings about the state of the franchise, so I'll spare you the autism, but as a 2000s fag, I'm largely indifferent to the series' output for the last five years. It just ain't the Sonic I grew up with. Meh.

>>721088347
if sega was smart they would have been aware of osrs/wow classic and how properly maintaining their legacy mmo would pay off wildly.
The western release of pso2 was basically a speedrun of the roadmap so they can throw it in the trash and promote NGS

>>721080327
Classic Sonic turning into whatever the fuck that thing on the left is.

>>721070675
>Better than Sonic movie 1
Mario movie was fucking awful. I liked the animation. That's it.

>>721081706
"Rouge's large bat tats"
"normal and productive"
contradicts that first claim, and depending on the severity, the second as well. Sonic fans really don't know how weird they are.

>>721090097
>still replete with retarded and contrived Flynn nostalgiafagging, rehashed plotlines and character arcs

Characterfags...

>still fails to live up to the best of Gens/Unleashed levels

Can't agree. It's still hard to top Savannah Citadel but Generations is PACKAGED WITH Shadow Gens and it's very easy to go back and see how bad that game actually is when you're not looking through the lense of "at least it's not Colors!"

>>721080327
Unironically prefer the left.
Encapsulates Sonic is supposed to be cool. Though doesn't matter when he loses massive cool points as is for having the voice he currently does.

>>721090097
Boost sucks
If they kill boost there is at least a 1% chance I buy a Sonic game ever again
If they make another Shadow game there is a 75% chance

>>721074458
Farting in a tuba

>>721090097
All 3 Sonic movies outgrossed Detective Pikachu, the supposed highest grossing media franchise of all time. Let's not downplay things here.

Mario hit those numbers because, well, it's fucking Mario. He's peak normie-tier.

>>721090020
It's all gonna depend on how they portray Amy. If she's not cute enough the girlboss shitposters will tank online discussions, and if they try to give her 'mass market appeal' she'll be fucking boring and make her character discourse even worse.

>>721068179
>spats
I despise you, even the amy like dress on the left has them instead of panties/ a longer dress

>>721068207
>:Also the Mario Movie made 3x as much as Sonic did.
>SALESSALESSALESSALESSALESSALESSALES
Alright, now let's see the critic reviews...

>>721081832
But my bird did die Anon, as it was written in the prophecy of SEGA

>>721067923
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaTa-wJIWZ0

>>721068554
>Mario
>Incel
>Sonic
>Fucked Hatsune Miku
You're right, they're not in the same universe in things that truly matter.

>>721067837 (OP)
Still waiting for Sonic Adventure 3 with chao gardens.

Without IDW shit or an american writer

>>721090097
>Flynn nostalgiafagging
Let's not pretend the series hadn't been marred with nostalgiabait for years prior to him writing the games.

>>721090950
Not to mention people seem to not realize any movie under the Illumination umbrella always does big numbers after the 1st Despicable Me movie. So while yes Mario would have gotten a lot already for the ip itself, it being an Illumination film is why by default it was always going to be high. Whereas for Sonic the fact it got impressive numbers especially with how Paramount needed a win given how their franchises like Transformers and TMNT have been underperforming for them that it's no wonder they see it as their new golden goose of a cinematic universe to work on

>>721090097
First movie was in the theaters for maybe two weeks before the lockdowns happened.
The fact that it didn't bomb and killed the franchise there because of it is a miracle.

>>721090950
Detective pikachu was dead on arrival when they casted the ugly gross lead. I was in japan when the first trailer dropped and heard audible "ohhh" when revealed.

>>721092961
Sure, but it wasn't reference faggotry. We're in a bit of a better place, but it's not perfect. Anything is better than the gross irony phase meant to appeal to faggots who don't like sonic. The current one isn't better since it's targeting comic fags who in turn never play sonic games proper.

>>721067837 (OP)
>There has literally never been a more vindicating time to be a Sonic fan.
You guys said this when Frontiers got good reviews.
You guys said this when Generations came out.

I think Lost world is a neat game, Baldy M'cnosehair notwithstanding.

>>721072056
This theory has already being debunked from people that literally worked on the movie, showing actual stuff with that horrid design, some even said we even had an ugly tails too.
Paramount actually tought ugly sonic was fine as an adaptation until the internet turned everything into fire for it.

>>721094251
Based. The movement is fun once you figure it all out.

>>721068089
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>>721068181
I can't believe there are people who never considered pants from the getgo

>>721068554
Mario is only opening theme parks because the only thing more pathetic than a disney adult is nintendo adult

>>721068089
She won’t be wearing pants in my bed

>>721094031
and I'm saying it now for Crossworlds, feels good being a SonicChad

>>721096856
They see white muzzle and connect dots that aren't there.

>>721067923
Nah old mario mogs every sonic.

>>721097742
Sonic 3 rapes Mario 3 and World, it's not up for debate
/thread
404 NOW!

>>721097227
You freaks never learn, do you?

>>721067837 (OP)
why are Sonic fans so insecure about being Sonic fans? You feel 'vindicated'?

>>721070283
The term gets overused but it applies perfectly to the Mario movie. Slop. It's slop. It is a mediocre piece of media based on an extremely famous IP so a ridiculous number of people go to see it purely off that. Not quality. Not writing. Not word of mouth. Just "It's [popular thing] as a movie so I guess we should watch it." Compare this to the Sonic movies. Nowhere as popular of an IP, awful first impression. The reason people bothered giving it a chance was because they put the effort into fixing Sonic's design and because of that a successful movie franchise could spawn from that decision, one which caters to fans whilst also drawing in a new generation with each entry. The Sonic movies have flaws but they care more about what Sonic fans and adequately attract new fans.

The Mario movie contributed nothing to the Mario franchise. It's just 'Mario movie.' Generic Illumination slop.

>>721098603
I agree with this portrayal. Solely because rigby ends up with a nice life.

>>721098716
My guess is because when the games are at the lowest, it's pretty damn low and the highs being pretty damn good; the lack of consistency makes them a punching bag for humor. Because of that, there's always going to be an inferiority complex
Your image is a good example as well. People rag on Jersey until something good comes out, so some will get defensive/insecure

>>721070798
I feel like blending CD and Heroes could make for a genuinely interesting storyline with Metal Sonic as an antagonist. 06 is rough but with hindsight I could see them making something entertaining out of it. Frontiers also has the recipe for an interesting movie. Beyond that...Sonic X's Metarex?

>>721091330
Making Amy cute is so fucking easy that I'll side with the shitposters if they fuck it up. Just give her a puppy crush on Sonic and have be girly. Even if they make her more competent than Sonic as long as they have those two elements she'll be cute.