Thread 721069494

>+2 nail upgrade is enough to kill everything in 1-2 hits
>get ridiculously OP +75% damage and +2HP charms 1 hour into the game
>most story bosses die before you can see their movesets
Damn, small surprise people complained about Silksong difficulty. HK was literally made for braindead down syndrome children.

If you randomly pick a path that doesn't lead to City of Tears early on, you could go 15h without the first nail upgrade.

>>721069494 (OP)
im a gaytarded frogposter, thoughbeit
did you think about that for one fucking second before you made your little thread?

>>721069494 (OP)
I miss this little nigga. this game mogs silksong so bad it's not even funny. i hate how Hornet 'speaks' too. she sounds like a try hard.

>>721069494 (OP)
Don't forget
>get extremely powerful spell that covers half of the screen in first couple hours of the game

The entire point of metroidvanias is the sense of protagonist's power. Hornet can melt bosses too, it's just nowhere nearly as satisfying or fun to do.

>>721069494 (OP)
Glad we're finally allowed to call hollow knight trash instead of pretending it was good. Can't wait to do the same with silksong when the next game comes out.

>>721069975
You don't have to wait, plenty of other shitters like you are doing it now.

>>721069874
>The entire point of metroidvanias
Exploration

>>721069874
The entire point is non-linear exploration.

>>721070049
>>721070062
Exploration doesn't mean jack shit if there's no character's power progression

>>721069494 (OP)
At least you can choose not to use them and make the game as hard or easy as you want. Just like using "Overcharmed". The real problem with this game is the blatant woke garbage they snuck in there (the two lesbians and the two gay bugs).

>>721070136
>new things and locations you find aren't new if they don't make you stronger
???

>>721069494 (OP)
>bruh this singleplayer platformer gotta be hardcore so I can show my bussin skills on twitch frfr

>>721070349
>he got buckbroken by Silksong
Shhh, it's okay, new Mayrio is coming soon.

>>721070320
Silksong is a living proof that just finding new locations is not enough to make a metroidvania fun. The progression is so staggered and boring, the bosses don't drop anything, at least a half of secrets leads to 10 rosaries or zanzibart tier lore.

>>721070136
yeah forget about all the charms, silk skills, health upgrades, silk upgrades, crests, nail upgrades, tools upgrades, special abilities etc.. you can find while exploring, those do not count as power progression because... uuuuuh... you're a disingenuous shitter?

>>721070436
Refer to >>721070391

>original game is piss easy
>sequel is niggerdick hard because fuck you
it's just bad design. a sequel's difficulty level should be roughly the same as the original's.

>>721070451
>charms, silk skills
90% of them are garbage compared to Knight's
>health upgrades
>crests
>nail upgrades
>tools upgrades
>special abilities
exceedingly rare
> silk upgrades
Trash

>>721070461
Buckbrocken by what, retard? I finished this game. It's simply not fun compared to the original.

>>721070436
Nah, you're just a shitter. Exploration in Silksong gave me new crests, gave me tools that made some bosses a complete joke, 10 masks and enough silk to heal and spam spells out of my ass.

>>721070516
>no that doesn't count because I don't know how to use it
shitter you are

>>721070582
>>721070516

>>721070568
>It's simply not fun
>because I can't break the game by doing nothing
Okay. Again, try Mario? I heard there's 2 new(old) ones coming out soon, only $80!

>>721069775
The sound design is trans coded as well

Also that invulnerability dash upgrade

>>721070667
>I can't break the game by doing nothing
I can though?
>>721069874

>>721070002
No, silksong is a perfect game. People criticizing it are shitters who can't play the game correctly.

>>721069494 (OP)
>+2 nail upgrade is enough to kill everything in 1-2 hits
That is not my experience with the game. I'm thinking particularly of all the damage sponge enemies in the arena battles, who keep being damage sponges even with all the upgrades.

>>721070516
>>721070636
>90% of them are garbage compared to Knight's
lol
>exceedingly rare
There's same amount of weapon and HP upgrades in both games? And more silk upgrades than Soul ones in HK? And HK didn't even have any crests? Or tools?

>silk upgrades
>Trash
lol
lmao

>>721069791
>in first couple hours of the game
NOT THE BLACK VERSION THAT YOU POSTED
i think

>>721070836
>lol
This is objectively true. There's nothing anything remotely as good as soul eater or fragile strength
>There's same amount of weapon and HP upgrades in both games
Yeah except one of them is larger and thus has longer stratches of literal nothing inbetween every upgrade
>silk upgrades
>Trash
Correct. Thanks to clawline your silk pool will always get drained between fights, making it useless.

>>721070436
>Immensely difficult bossfight
>Grind away for multiple attempts with a few getting extremely close to victory
>Finally win
>Get nothing as your reward
>Not exaggerating, literally nothing
I cannot explain just how fucking unsatisfying this is. Silksong genuinely and aggressively hates its audience and does not want them to feel fun or satisfaction. Terrible game design.

>>721070928
clawline generates silk if you connect with it, shitter

>>721069494 (OP)
>Game is fun and not tedious.
>This is somehow a problem.
Fromsoft and its consequences have been a disaster for the gamer race.

>>721070836
most of knight's C tier charms are better than hornet's top tiers lmao
>>721070969
my main issue is when you need few money sinks in act 3 (namely the last nail upgrade) there's LITERALLY NOTHING that drops good money simply for exploring the act 3 content, you have to grind those fucking 900 rosaries

>>721070928
>This is objectively true.
lol
>There's nothing as broken as a charm that completely breaks the game
Yeah, you gotta actually learn to play this time around. Crazy crazy.
>Yeah except one of them is larger and thus has longer stratches of literal nothing inbetween every upgrade
You now remember that last nail upgrades required 2 and 3 peces of ore. Literal filler.
>Correct.
lol
lmao

>>721071031
Clawline doesn't generate jack shit during exploration when you use it for platforming challenges. Play the game, faggot.

>>721070928
>fragile strength
Good lord though, it was a pain in the ass to backtrack to get it repaired in the base game. Especially since it was basically mandatory for the arena

>>721070492
I'd say it's about the same difficulty as Godhome

Deserved for playing Hollow Trite. I'll just keep playing games that always want to be fun and engaging minute by minute.
>You have ADHD
You want to search for fun for 30 minutes. I want to have fun for 30 minutes.

>>721070969
>Immensely difficult bossfight
>Silksong
Bro, anime girls on Twitch are capable of beating the game you struggle with. Rethink your life choices and find a different hobby.
Damn.

>>721071208
You can just say you don't like metroidvanias

>>721070735
This but unironically.

>>721071101
>There's nothing as broken as a charm that completely breaks the game
Glad we agree that Hornet's charms are garbage compared to Knight's
>You now remember that last nail upgrades required 2 and 3 peces of ore.
And it's way more fun than doing the shitty delivery quest and terrible minigames
>lol
Cry. You got blown the fuck out already.

>>721071141
you have to connect it with mobs for it to generate silk, you were saying silk skills are useless because of the clawline
I assumed you meant in combat, what kind of turbo faggot uses silk skills during exploration except some retarded dinginuous shitter?

I wanted to find a physical copy to avoid the inevitable nerfs. I don't thin there is one, but I learned that people will pay other people to earn trophies for them
I'm still trying to recover from that information

>>721070582
>5h of unique actually fun content (being generous)
>64h for 100% completion
Wew lad

>>721071218
You're fat.

>>721069623
I just replayed the game and I think that's massive hyperbole. Not just because the whole game is only 25 hours.

There's also a guy who very explicitly recommends the nail upgrade and tells you where to go in the place where you get wall cling, and you're not exploring too far in other directions without that.

>>721071458
>you have to connect it with mobs for it to generate silk, you were saying silk skills are useless because of the clawline
God damn you stupid fucking faggot. You need to use clawline OUTSIDE OF COMBAT for PLATFORMING CHALLENGES and TRAVERSAL that don't generate any silk, draining your spool between encounters and making any extra silk from additional spools obsolete
Literal gorilla
Play the fucking game before replying to me next time

>>721071506
>I wanted to find a physical copy
You'll be waiting until early 2026 for a Switch copy, according to the devs.
But also can't you just install the older versions of the game on your PC?

>>721070251
>The real problem with this game is the blatant woke garbage they snuck in there (the two lesbians and the two gay bugs).
but how does this affect your personal life?

>>721071578
>You need to use clawline OUTSIDE OF COMBAT
Where? Post an example of it being mandatory.

>>721071610
Why does having it in there affect yours?

>>721069874
>architect spam
>using the crutch mask
This is the type of joyless faggot who complains about Silksong's difficulty. You just know they rushed online to find the best ways to cheese the experience.

>>721071605
>You'll be waiting until early 2026 for a Switch copy, according to the devs.
That'll have the nerfs in it, but thanks for the info
>But also can't you just install the older versions of the game on your PC?
I think so, but it's a huge pain in the ass and I don't trust it to be -
oh, I guess there's always GOG though

>>721069874
That isn't the point but it's a lot more satisfying in Silksong anyway, nigga.
You actually have to pay attention and try a little bit to win (although they're a lot easier than most of you whining faggots seem to think). Hollow Knight bosses are all extremely simple and die very quickly in comparison, OP wasn't exaggerating (much).

I just replayed HK and literally the only boss that took two attempts was Radiance. And I haven't touched it since launch so this wasn't because I remembered fucking anything.

>>721071652
Like 70% of chapter's 2 and 3 content, including all late game platforming challenges like the shitty climb to the surface that was so bad they needed to add a way to farm silk on the spot to counteract their own terrible design decisions. Play the game, faggot

>>721071708
>answering with a question
oof not a good look.

>>721071578
yes you don't generate silk by using the clawline on walls and pogo flowers
that was not the point
you were talking about SILK SKILLS you fucking gay faggot
using the clawline in combat generates skill, it doesn't deplete it retard
here let me quote you back to you
>silk upgrades
>Trash
>Correct. Thanks to clawline your silk pool will always get drained between fights, making it useless.
which is factually wrong since you can easily generate enough silk even when using the clawline so you can use your silk skills
fucking idiot doesn't even know what he's arguig about anymore, or you're just a bad faith retard

>>721071760
>I think so, but it's a huge pain in the ass
Why? Isn't it just installing an exe?

>>721071568
Maybe a bit, but I took all the possible turns before the City of Tears and when I finally made it to the smith, I remember thinking "man, I would have beaten a whole GBA Castlevania by now"

>>721071772
>You actually have to pay attention and try a little bit to win
You need to pay LESS attention in this game to win because of the stupid bullshit like cogflies. Hornet's skill set is plain boring compared to Knight and his insane charm combos.

>>721071776
Post an example.
Don't be scared. Show me a video clip where it's mandatory for platforming, or you lose.

>>721071869
>Why? Isn't it just installing an exe?
Maybe if you pirate? I'm thinking of undoing updates on Steam, which is a nuisance

>>721071826
>you were talking about SILK SKILLS
I was talking about SILK POOL BETWEEN ENCOUNTERS
stupid retarded gorilla
You literally cannot grasp the words you're citing

>>721071945
I thought you could just select older versions in your steam settings and play those versions?

>>721071924
>Post an example.
I literally gave you an example. You've never played the game.

>>721071074
Brother I finished the game with like 5000 rosaries, not counting the probably 3k I had stashed in my ass.

The two guys next to Grand Bellway that everyone used to farm are gone, most other guys are still right where they were. Just do a lap or two of the cathedral... or play the game, 900 is nothing at that point and it'll fall into your pockets.

>>721072013
>r play the game, 900 is nothing at that point and it'll fall into your pockets.
No it fucking doesn't, not until you specifically farm for them. Nothing in act 3 drops good rosaries for organic exploration. You overfarming in act 2 doesn't make this shitty system better.

>>721072002
>"Post a video clip"
>literally posts no clips
You lose.
Thanks for confirming you can't prove your own claims to be true.

>>721071882
You're a funny guy but I'm not sure you've played Hollow Knight.

>>721071882
>be anon
>equip cogflies
>pretend the devs forced me to play this way
I think I see the problem.

>>721072110
It's not my fault you refuse to play the game. Keep coping, drone.

>>721071825
For you. It's blatant propaganda in a game about BUGS that you somehow encounter not one, not two, but four faggot bugs.

>>721071990
I think only some games let you do that. Most don't, in my experience.

>>721071947
yeah and I said you never have silk because you never connect attacks, if you play properly you should always have enough reserves of silk, having a bigger silk spool allows you to use your silk skills while still having enough reserve for healing since you can have 2 bars
also your silk generates automatically with UPGRADES you can get, so shitters like you are never stuck without any silk during platforming

>>721072161
You lost.
Thanks for confirming you couldn't prove your own claims to be true.

>>721071721
I did this but figures out organically and still didnt figure out that architect has a truckfucker charged attack that makes it even better. And i had a boatload of Fun 100% the game. You're the one bleeding out of your ass as My hornet drugs herself with bug phazon
I really should have used plasmium on bilewater what the fuck was I thinking going there without the botbros.

>>721072108
I did overfarm in act 2 because all you idiots were complaining about a problem that turned out not to exist (although I'm sure at least 1k of that was organic and just what I had from finishing act 2 stuff).
That explains the anal bead stash, but not the loose shit I was carrying around without trying at all.

>>721072117
Oh, can i create a passively rotating shield around my character? Can i turn my spells into a bunch of leeches?

>>721072218
>yeah and I said you never have silk because you never connect attacks
There are no attacks to connect during exploration and platforming bits. Am i talking with a mentally ill? Are you just pretending?

>>721069494 (OP)
Show us your Pantheon 5 and Path of Pain achievement

>>721072298
Particle effects are what matters to you?
Not all the moves and mobility and weapons/spells Hornet has. That's irrelevant?

>>721072296
>I did overfarm in act 2
So why did you even open your mouth? What are you trying to prove to a poster who says the game has a terrible economy?
You overfarmed more than you needed but farmed all the same.

>>721072250
Not the point I was making. If you play that way and enjoy it, that's great. If you play that way and bitch online about how boring it is, then go fuck yourself. Silksong gives the player a lot of agency when it comes to play style.

>>721072352
now tell me exactly which platforming section in the game has literally 0 mobs arounds
I'm even forgetting the fact that silk generates automatically since you're so disingenuous

>>721072392
>Particle effects are what matters to you?
Unique charm combo effects do matter to me more than yet another "direct projectile into enemy's face that is objectively worse than a boomerang", yes.

>>721072445
Except for beast crest. Beastchads must suffer.

>people complain about runbacks in Silksong
>people complain about some enemies in Silksong being annoying
>people complain about backtracking in Silksong
Those "people" should replay Hollow Knight, it's all there. There's not a single enemy in Silksong that is solely designed to waste your time like these shits.

>>721072425
Alright, you're buttmad and not arguing in good faith at all.
I admitted that because it's irrelevant. I still finished the game with something like 5000 loose rosaries that clearly didn't come from farming.

Alternatively, lol at your poor sense of planning and having to now face the consequences of your shortsightedness.
(If the problem existed, which it doesn't.)

>>721072469
>now tell me exactly which platforming section in the game has literally 0 mobs arounds
HUGE stretches of act 2 including hardest bits of platforming in cogwork core have zero enemies during huge stretches of platforming

>>721072528
>Charge attack
>They drop their mask
>Hit it with charged attack and instantly dash back
>Repeat twice and it's dead
Compare that to Silksong where you've got flying enemies throwing bombs that hit you for 2 damage with almost no cool down that take 7 hits to kill

>>721072491
>boomerang
Conchcutter and throwing rings shit on boomerang, though?

>>721072578
>I admitted that because it's irrelevant.
Clearly it's not irrelevant because it's the only reason you ended with such a surplus of rosaries instead of suffering their shortage like any normal player who despises farming in these games. You need close to 20k rosaries to buy everything in the game, and exploration/organic combat gives you a third at most.

>>721072491
>objectively worse than a boomerang
Don't care. I was a spear chucker for the majority of Act 2 because it amused me. Never struggled. Imagine caring about optimization in a single player game.

>>721072491
You never used the stupid shield. Everyone uses the same 5 charms. Hornet either has analogues for most of them or they're irrelevant. Meanwhile she has a million new options which you can combine in far more ways, rather than one single spell which you can mutate in about two ways, and she also moves a lot better.
Quit being a faggot.

>>721072598
>huge strechs of act 2
>ony cites one
>it's not even true
cogcowrk core has tons of enemies what are you on about

>>721072623
No, they don't. Rings are straight trash because of low damage, conchcutter is too situational to match boomerang. Watch actual damage breakdowns.

>>721072618
>wait
>repeat
Like I said, designed to waste your time. Bomb throwers die fast and, surprise, don't outright block the way forward.

>>721072672
I'm confident that you actually can read, you're just being a little bitch, so I'll leave you to that.

>>721072710
>cogcowrk core has tons of enemies
It has like 3 robots in both the lower and upper sections and none on your way up from the bottom

>>721072753
Next time, just don't open your mouth. You will look smarter.

>>721072723
>low damage
Automatic tracking. One poisoned ring can clear out boss room full of adds.
>too situational
It's a dedicated Fat Fuck remover, no other tool other than drill does as much damage to large bosses.

>>721069494 (OP)
then why is every clip of HK still the most repetitive slash spam?
the game look obscenely monotonous and boring.

>>721072172
damn, it must've turned everyone gay by that logic.

>>721072172
I know about the dancers but who are the lesbians?

>>721072784
it has enough of them to generate silk while using your clawline
in case you're really bad you're not stuck there, there's plenty of doors leading to adjacent rooms in the lower part with mobs everywhere
top part has more mobs, and many are on a platform too in case you're too bad to clawline properly

>>721072956
The lesbians are the Grey Mourner and her dead lover. As for the other gays, I was actually referring to Sheo and the Nailsmith. The achievement "Happy Couple" might as well say they're pounding each other in their anal cavities. As for the dancers, I can't remember everything about them as it's been a long time.

>>721072728
that's all the bosses in silksong, you can get like 1-2 hits in to punish an attack

>>721072892
What? You make no sense.

hollow knight isn't an easy game
anyone who claims it is is a retard and/or liar

>>721072392
No matter how much you kvetch over this.
In this regard, TC haven't pushed the envelope mechanically at all.
The consumable active abilities that Tools provide are step-down from Hollow Knight's library of charms, the Overcharm mechanic, and crosscharm interactions.
Further by making Tools usage dependent on a resource, players are disincentivized from experimenting with them. As a result, They swiftly become regarded as methods of dishing out extra damage during boss fights instead of being another way to approach combat in general.
The most charitable interpretation is that the way Silksong handles this is at best side-grade to Hollow Knight's approach.
But even then, that sort of design complacency isn't really acceptable.
People expected Silksong to take everything about Hollowknight and expand upon it, to push it further.

>>721073476
I had a much harder time trying to Dream Nail the damn enemies to see their thoughts than actually kill them.

>>721071772
>And I haven't touched it since launch so this wasn't because I remembered fucking anything.
Your brain doesn't just forget every pattern it learns anon. I don't play Chess seriously but I still wipe the floor with every random I've played with even though I have a freaking sleep disorder and can't remember what I did yesterday.

silkfags have begun attack the OG masterpiece since their own game can't stand on it's own lags
It's DS2 all over again

>>721070251
You can literally kill the gay bug to stop the relationship from happening. How many woke games let you do that?

>>721074283
You can spare him and wouldn't know he pounds bug butts on a first playthrough.

>>721069775
Hornet mogs the shit out of the hollow knight both in terms of being way cooler and better animated and not being a silent protagoshit

>>721074610
Silent protagonists are universally superior than the alternative and I'm sick of pretending otherwise.
If you want to write 10000 pages of yapping, go write a book or direct a movie. Games are for gameplay.

>>721069494 (OP)
>AHAHAHAH GIT GUH, GET IT? HORNET IS SO HECKIN' HARD, BROS, GOTTA GIT GUD TO BEAT HER LOLOLOLOL
I genuinely think 2017 /v/ was just extra retarded.

>yo bro Path of Pain is so hard bro omg
>there's charm that always regens your HP back to +1, so you literally get infinite tries without having to ever reset back to 0

>>721073476
Getting a normal ending is relatively easy. It's the late/postgame where things get tricky with dream bosses, palace and godhome

>>721073348
>bosses feel like bosses
Crazy.

>>721073348
>you can get like 1-2 hits in to punish an attack
Playing Reaper, crest with by far the lowest DPS designed solely to generate large amounts of silk was your choice. Let me guess, you played Reaper and barely used your silk skills?

>>721074808
This. So far literally nothing Hornet has said has mattered.
I would have understood 100% of the plot so far, if Hornet's dialogue was modded out of the game.

>>721073396
So it wasn't a big deal then and you're crying about nothing.

>>721075523
>BUT HOW DOES THIS AFFECT YOU PERSONALLY
Propaganda has no place in games.
NTA btw.

>>721075732
>it must be propaganda if I don't like it
why are you posting on 4chan if we have /lgbt/?

>>721075732
Learn the difference between propaganda and just fags existing.

>>721075824
>>721075972
It's propaganda by definition.
"If I like it or not" is irrelevant.

>>721075986
>It's propaganda by definition.
>I don't like it therefore its propaganda
It doesn't affect you personally and no one has turned gay solely because of minor characters in HK.
Sounds like schizobabble to me.

>>721076175
Okay. I don't see how that's relevant to the discussion.
It's still propaganda.

>>721076279
>It doesn't affect you personally and no one has turned gay solely because of minor characters in HK.
the truth hurts him so much that he can't even formulate a rebuttal to this statement.

>>721075824
I wouldn't dislike it if it wasn't propaganda. A LGBT forum (vile as I'm sure it is) existing isn't propaganda.
>>721075972
I'm a fag myself and know the difference.
Silksong isn't a severe offender, but propaganda sucks regardless.

>>721076384
Why is your irrelevant statement relevant to the discussion?

>>721076175
>It doesn't affect you personally
Does everything I dislike about a game have to affect me personally? Am I not allowed to complain about anything if it doesn't cause upheaval in my life?
Man, video game reviewers must have a hard fucking time if every 6/10 game deeply affects them. Maybe that's why they're so bad at games.

>>721076431
>gays existing isn't propaganda.
sounds like you agreed with my point my man.
Devs aren't influencing anyone by including some minor characters in a videogame.

>>721071568
You only actually meet him there if you die to the Mantis Lords

>>721075202
I thought it was interesting to see what type of person Hornet would become after the events in Hallownest. That alone made the additional dialogue bearable to me.

>>721075986
>It's propaganda by definition.
Learn what word propaganda means.

>>721076682
She's exactly the same as she was in the previous game (so far).
I really don't see the need for her to speak. It just makes the dialoge scenes take longer.

>>721076567
Propaganda doesn't have to be successful to be propaganda. There mere attempt to socially engineer is insulting.
Levels of intent vary, but it's incredibly rare that a gay character exists as a natural result of the writing process. Almost always it's some faggot going "we neeeeeeeed representation! let's make those characters gay instead to spread the right message!" It's antithetical to good writing and design, and it's insulting to the audience, straight or gay.

>>721076723
>He's crying because I'm correct
lol. I used the dictionary as my source for what propeganda means, where does your definition come from?

>>721069494 (OP)
Yeah, thats considered SOVL broski.

>>721076780
>There mere attempt to socially engineer
this is just schizo headcanon you came up with to justify your rambling.

>>721071568
damn, holy skill issue, I explored most of deepnest before entering the city of tears, it seems like guide troons keep telling on themselves

>>721070582
You should see a proctologist about the spells thing... That's not normal

>>721076849
>this is just schizo headcanon you came up with to justify your rambling.
What is "we have to do our part to normalize this" if not social engineering? It's including something with the intent of altering the perceptions and ideas of the consumer. Hence, social engineering.
It doesn't have to be a laughing villain churning out propaganda posters to be social engineering. There are different degrees of it.
Silksong is largely inoffensive in this regard. But the activism that is there sticks out like a sore thumb, and makes the game worse for its presence.

>>721077158
>Team cherry: Hey about we make these characters? Yeah that sounds cool
>anon from /v/: They're trying to make faggots acceptable and turn me GAY
go outside and perhaps even have sex

>>721069494 (OP)
HK being piss easy is actually its saving grace because the combat is terrible anyways, so being able to first try every boss is a godsend.
I haven't finished silksong (only started HK itself after silksong released), but the movement and combat is so heavily improved that making the game at least offer some form of resistance is welcome
Both games give you their respective infinite single wall jump abilities too early though

>>721077297
Nobody said this except you.

>>721077297
If you had followed the thread you'd know I'm already gay. I still loathe woke propaganda. Even small doses make a product worse.
If the intent behind a character is to push a message or an ideal on the consumer, it's social engineering.
Games should be games, not vehicles for activism.

>>721077158
by this reasoning, isn't any portrayal of a heterosexual couple also "social engineering"? The author, consciously or not, is creating a work that propagates and reinforces their values. What makes one case acceptable and not the other?

>>721077419
>If the intent behind a character is to push a message
Can you prove that this claim

>>721077495
>Can you prove that this claim
ESL

>>721077585
Calling out a minor grammar error is always more important than disproving someone.

>>721077631
It's not minor. If you spoke En glish as a first language you'd know.

>>721074808
It's okay when the dialog and character development goes beyond
>Howdy partner, I was busy being strong and reliable when I just met you by accident. How can I help you?
>Explains who they are and the quest
>Well maybe I will help you
No anger, no grief, no growth. Days gone has ok dialog it sometimes carries a repetitive gameplay loop

>>721077727
>En glish
you okay there my man.

>>721077489
Heterosexuality is the default. A heterosexual character is infinitely more likely to arise naturally in the creative process, rather than as a conscious attempt to socially engineer or check a diversity box.
>>721077495
>Can you prove that this claim
Of course not. There's never proof, but it's usually very obvious, because why else would a gay character be there? There's very rarely a thematic or mechanical purpose behind it.
Although since evaluating it requires speculation as to intent, it's not always completely clear. I'd argue that somebody innocently hoping to inspire is much less insipid than some danger hair on the team hand-writing about representation, and deeming the game problematic if it doesn't have X amount of it. But even the good-natured attempt to inspire is usually very hamfisted and conspicuous, because as I said above, deviating from the default has no thematic or narrative purpose. It still, almost always, makes a game worse for its inclusion.

>>721077825
>Of course not. There's never proof,
So you're rambling for attention. Cool man.

>>721077154
>he doesn't spam Howling Wraiths while casting Descending Dark in the bathroom on taco tuesday

>>721077795
Yeah. Why do you ask?

>>721069494 (OP)
>look up a guide on how to make the game easy on a blind playthrough
>hey guys, this game is easy

you have won the retard olympics

>>721077896
I pointed out a minor grammar error. Glad we agree that doing so is meaningless.

>>721077871
>So you're rambling for attention. Cool man.
Belittling your opponent is always more important than disproving him.

>>721078028
When he admits he has no proof for his claims, then the rational next step is to belittle him for bringing it up in the first place.

>>721077939
>guide
You find those blind, anon

>>721070836
>bauldur and thorns beyond shit tier
You know the thorn damage scales with your blade upgrades and by someone tapping into your shield you get a poke every time, right? That's not useless tier, that's pure defensive kit.

>>721069791
I didn't find that until after I beat the game, NKG, and found Godhome

>>721078118
Do you have any proof for your claims?

>>721078118
Not everything relies on hard proof. Reasonable speculation occurs all the time, and I'd wager you do a lot of speculating about the intentions of people who are on the opposite side of the political spectrum.
In this case, demanding proof is nothing more than an attempt to shut down an argument which makes you uncomfortable because you have no answer for it. You know my reasoning is sound.

>>721069494 (OP)
>>get ridiculously OP +75% damage and +2HP charms 1 hour into the game
where

>>721070516
Reminder if you think HK and SS have a good amount of upgrades then you need to play your third metroidvania.
Metroid fusion is about a fourth as long but every hp upgrade gives you 100 hp and theres 20. Not this 1/4 heart piece bullshit, play a dozen hours to get 1 hit point. Hollow sharters have no standards because they only played 2 metroidvanias

>>721078507
>>721078525
>Can we prove it? No
>But can you DISPROVE IT?
schizos flock together but can't prove a thing.

TROBBIOOOOOOOO!!!

>>721070049
>>721070062
Exploration without the ability gating is not interesting. There are so many times in this game where you hit a dead end in this game and it’s just some key you need or a gate you have to open from entering the area from another angle. So much of the fun of the genre is getting a new ability and thinking “bow I can go to all these places.” That happens so few times in Silksong, and the game is nearly 40 hours to complete

>>721078549
Very beginning of fungal wastes

>>721078618
Thanks for confirming you have no proof to support your own claims.
Looks like you both lose.

>>721078696
where

>>721078641
Cope, the game is already goty. Get with the times unc.

>>721078641
And in HK you get all mobilities in first hours of the game, minimizing the amount of times where you find a dead end that requires an ability you don't have.
In Silksong I was actually running out of map pins to check all things I can't get through at that point.

>>721078774
NPC by the bench

>>721078618
And you're still attempting to equate a lack of hard evidence with a lack of logical merit. Instead of engaging.
Speculation is a useful, often critical tool. Are you suggesting there's no merit in ever guessing at the intentions of others? I suppose if we strongly suspect a politician doesn't align with our values, we should vote for them anyway, because there's no hard proof, right?
You can do better than this.

>>721072618
I literally just got the sword charge. I just picked up my save from whenever hollow knight went on sale the first time. I have no fucking idea what im doing im just wandering around. I have white masks on the map now I think I have to talk to them.
>on the map
I don't have any maps

>>721078958
Go buy some maps.

>autosilk refill every 2 seconds
>f4 to heal
>f5 to get 1000 rosaries
>f6 to get 1000 tool shits
Yep, it's silksong time.

>>721078815
please use a braincell when you communicate with me
>>721078839
That’s a pacing issue with HK, but it is better than this, where there are huge stretches with no core ability upgrades. And I ran into that too, moreso that I didn’t have enough variety of pins for the different types of shit the game doesn’t mark. I hate that it sells you basic functions

>>721079165
kys scrub

>>721073325
>dead lover
So you only actually encounter 3 gay bugs?

>>721079201
>but it is better than this, where there are huge stretches with no core ability upgrades.
Not really, I much enjoyed having to learn to rely on what you have. And it made finally finding new upgrades much more enjoyable, than getting them one after another in first hours and just clearing the fully unlocked map.

>>721079485
Na, the map is fuck huge and has no flow, so you’ll get a new upgrade after 6 hours, and then the game tries to drag you back through every place you’re already been another handful of times

>>721069494 (OP)
you have to either explore the map or beat gaunlets and bosses before you can upgrade the nail
the OP charms are breakable so it's still a risk to take them
bosses are as though as they need to be
they have simple patterns, once you learn to dodge enough to save up soul for spells you can kill them swiftly and move on to the next area
the game was a chill exploration platformer with fun but brief bosses and some mildly challenging platformer that only crancked up the difficulty near the end

Imagine a childhood crush from your teenage years, came from a christian famaily and grew up a tomboy in the country side
6 years later she moved to the big city, got plastic surgery done, started smoking, drinking, clubing, tindermaxing and now she making millions on only fans and you do not know if you should be horrified she aborted or relieved because it was probably a niglet

that's how Silk Song difficulty feels for people who actually expectd more Hollow Knight

>>721079805
>the game was a chill exploration platformer with fun but brief bosses and some mildly challenging platformer that only crancked up the difficulty near the end
>Imagine a childhood crush from your teenage years, came from a christian famaily and grew up a tomboy in the country side
>6 years later she moved to the big city, got plastic surgery done, started smoking, drinking, clubing, tindermaxing and now she making millions on only fans and you do not know if you should be horrified she aborted or relieved because it was probably a niglet
>that's how Silk Song difficulty feels for people who actually expectd more Hollow Knight
What's your opinion on the DLCs for Hollow Knight? Because that's where I started to dislike the direction they were going.

It was a good game unlike silksong which is a shitty version of megaman flash game with terrible level design.

HK almost good, but all the abilities are boring af and the map sucks

>>721079693
Well like it or not, that's how you design the game. Every single Castlevania since SotN knew how to spread out upgrades over the game, HK doesn't do that. HK also only rarely allowed you to skip ability checks via tech or make do with a different one like Silksong does.

>>721080220
That’s not how the better half of the genre works. And the problem with Silksong is they spread far too little over far too much. I don’t particularly think HK was great at it, just slightly better

>>721079904
Act 3 would be fine if
>the requirements to enter it weren't so retarded
>there was more than just the super jump in terms of movement upgrades to get
>there was more to do than cleaning up all the bosses they didn't fit into act 2
Or they could have merged the two acts, made super jump another ability you can find in act 2 and let you collect the hearts

>>721079805
>you have to either explore the map or beat gaunlets and bosses before you can upgrade the nail
First upgrade is free, second upgrade is from Moth that urges you to upgrade the nail asap.
>the OP charms are breakable so it's still a risk to take them
They're cheap, you can farm up 500 geo to repair in minutes. Also, good luck dying to break them at all.
>bosses are as though as they need to be
No, they're not. When boss dies to you facetanking their damage and spamming attack, it's a badly designed boss. Bosses only started being enjoyable in DLCs. I mean, shit, even SotN bosses didn't allow you to just stand in place and take it. And that's before Inverted Castle.

>imagine
Keep your cuckold fantasies to yourself. It's been 7 years, more than enough time for you to get better at video games.

>>721080434
>I don’t particularly think HK was great at it, just slightly better
Hollow Knight took way too long to get the first nail upgrade, considering how spongey the enemies are. If Silksong is worse, that sounds kinda miserable.

>>721081439
Pretty sure it is worse, but the real nuisance is that so many enemies fly away from you. Game wastes your time like mad

>>721081439
Silksong is worse in the way that
>weapon level 3
>annoying flier enemy takes 4 hits to kill
>weapon level 4 (final)
>annoying flier enemy takes 4 hits to kill
I felt absolutely clowned on with this shit.

>>721081439
>Hollow Knight
>spongey enemies
I swear to God, all the shitters crying about Silksong are literal mariofags that expect enemies to die from stomping on their head once.

>>721081672
>>721081712
I won't play it myself until this weekend, but that sounds awful. What the fuck were they thinking? Even if they want difficulty to be the point, it doesn't have to be miserable with upgrades that don't do shit.

>>721081836
Small fry enemies taking 4+ hits is just tedious, ditto the bigger ones taking... what was it without an upgrade, something like 12?

>>721081712
that is actually pretty stupid, the damage upgrades are straight up irrelevant in this game, you will not see any real improvements in your damage at all, no progress regarding that, but if you dont upgrade, lol good luck on act 3 it will take like 20 hits to kill one guy

>>721069623
Took me about 8hrs on my current blind playthrough. Last traversal upgrade I ended up finding was the acid travel. Shame I'm nowhere near getting 100% under 20hrs, since I'm at 75% at the 17hr mark, and still working on what I presume is the not-shit ending, just the game wants me to play Super Meat Boy in my current section.

I'd have less reservations with the game if it had a better map system (not enough tokens to mark the map with, plus some areas/npcs are not even shown since they're in unmarked locations), and more fast travel points for when you get stuck trying to figure out which area still has uncovered/secret rooms.

>>721082396
Obviously if enemies don't keep pace with upgrades a game will become too easy, but it feels crummy when you're only barely keeping up with enemy health increases. Sometimes that kind of thing makes having an upgrade system at all feel pointless, because they might as well just keep your damage and enemy health static. The player needs to FEEL the upgrade, see some actual benefit to it.

>>721082235
>Small fry enemies
>4 hits
That never happened in HK, unless you somehow got into Hive in the very beginning of the game

>>721082596
Enemies in formerly hard areas ARE supposed to become easy with upgrades. A metroidvania isn't supposed to maintain difficulty globally, just serve you more more difficult areas later.

SotN figured it out in the literal intro sequence. When your character is fully decked out, you're supposed to go through mid-tier enemies like a steamroller.

>>721069494 (OP)
I beat 80% of Silksong's Act 2 with 1 needle upgrade and no additional slots on my chest because I forgot the description on Memory Lockets and thought Eva upgrades crests later into the game. It wasn't that bad.

>>721082705
Maybe I'm misremembering the exact amount, but it was always enough to feel laborious. The later arena challenges in particular felt borderline unplayable without max upgrades and fragile strength, because they went on so long and even the swarms of flying enemies would be incredibly tanky. Especially having to fix it every time it broke.

>>721082883
>SotN figured it out
SotN is infamously easy, though.

>>721071151
I feel incredibly stupid for never giving it a try, i beat the colosseum, Nightmare Grimm and Radiance without it, and only decided to equip it when i realized that by "fragile" it meant losing it when you die and not when you get hit like i thought it was, and at this point the only thing left to do was beat Godhome.

>>721082974
NTA
I suppose it's fairly mild in terms of actual difficulty, but it's more that it's easy to break if you get the right drops. As far as I'm concerned, that's better than never feeling like you get stronger at all, in a game about getting upgrades that are supposed to do that.

>>721072237
youtube.com
search "Mt fay silksong"

>>721072528
Those guys only appear 3 times though in a single area of the game though, and in 2 of those areas you can just ignore them and take a way around.

>>721083259
>i beat the colosseum, Nightmare Grimm and Radiance without it
God, that must have been a nightmare. Max nail upgrade on its own is not enough to make endgame content bearable.
Which illustrates the problem with their approach I think. The developers set the destination, the maximally upgraded character, where most games would put the the starting or mid-point. Upgrades should make you feel strong, not just get you to the baseline - unless you're a good enough developer to make that work, and I really don't think they are. They didn't factor it into a grander design or atmosphere, they just set it that way because they were autistically fixated on the flawed idea that tanky enemies and bosses = difficulty.
And that was in Hollow Knight. It's gotten worse since then.

>>721071610
my personal life is playing games and seeing gay shit without my consent is literally rape

I dont think i can do it bros, Pure Vessel is too hard. I feel like a sinner in hell looking up to heaven.

Was the upgrade that let you fly horizontally mandatory? Felt like Sleeper progression hinged on acquiring it so you could get the other abilities.

>>721069494 (OP)
HK was actually fun thoughbeit.

>>721084361
That’s not literal rape. Literal rape is what I’m going to do to you when you finish reading this sentence

>>721069494 (OP)
It's fucking retarded that the average enemy takes 4-8 hits to kill in Silksong, even with upgrades. Especially when Hornet dies in 3 hits, you are literally more frail than the average mook in this game.

>>721069494 (OP)
I'm replaying HK and I really thought it was harder than this, I'm rolling over the game just by facetanking everything.

The only things it has over Silksong is the better soundtrack(except the combat arena songs, they are absolutely garbage what the hell?), the better feeling of immersion/melancholy vibes and the better lore.

>>721069494 (OP)
>exploration is actually rewarded in a genre about exploring
>game is fun
damn, no surprise
the devs know this too since they claim the same logic for silksong despite the entire of act 1 just being full of filler rewards that don't increase your power

>>721084574
Crystal heart is technically not required if you do a very specific skip at kingdom's edge to get into the sewers to grab Isma's tear. However most players are going to go grab it. If you want to do the Radiance fight you will need it since you can't reach the double jump without it.

>>721070969
The satisfaction is victory, you are a child who can't understand intangible rewards. It's ok, you'll grow up some day and look back on your post and laugh at how immature you used to be.

>>721076747
There were a few occasions where it was quite nice for her to have a voice, such as after she gets out of the basement with the ant problem.

>>721085391
>beat another boss with an easy pattern that they spammed adds in the next two phases to make it “interesting”
Intrinsic satisfaction doesn’t work when it’s completing the latest plate of slop they handed you

>>721080038
Grey Prince Zote was pretty much a Silksong boss before Silksong existed.

>>721071568
>Not just because the whole game is only 25 hours.

How motherfucker?! If you're talking about your 2-5th pt of the game, sure - but for first timer who really want to explore the whole kingdom - it can take you up to 55 hours to finish it if you're semi good in this game

I'm convinced that the players who love to jack themselves off over the difficulty aren't metroidvania fans but soulsfags who do this shit often. I haven't seen this type of discussion over any other metroidvania yet

>>721087628
>players who love to jack themselves off
that's me

>>721087628
>I'm convinced that the players who love to jack themselves off over the difficulty aren't metroidvania fans but soulsfags who do this shit often.
They certainly act exactly like them when you voice any criticism.

I'm back on /v/ after beating it. Am I too late to shitpost? Have we reached the stage of an indie game's lifespan where the mods delete every thread for not being about Nintendo?
As far as actual game discussion: Watcher at the Edge made me feel so stupid. I was having a really fucking tough time with him until I realized how late into that slam he actually begins the attack, which I was apparently too dumb to ever notice. I thought his blade was out from the top of the arc, but it only comes out right before he hits the ground. Once I caught on to that, he was a total pushover.
On the list of things in this game that made me feel stupid: there were so many times I would do a really tough challenge that was breaking my balls, finally complete it, then immediately find an upgrade or charm that would've made it sooooo much more bearable. If I ever replay on a fresh save, I'm getting the double jump BEFORE doing that fucking lava pit mob rush in Far Fields. Thank God I found the anti-maggot charm BEFORE fighting that fat fuck Groal. The "I could've used this!!!!" realization if I'd found it afterwards would've broken me

>>721088220
Btw am I supposed to believe that these ugly bastard flies stuck her naked in a cage without doing anything first?
Pretty sure that's not how it works.

I just unlocked Act 3 and I'm looking at what happened to Songclave and Bellhart right now.

>>721088220
all in all, did you enjoyed it and would you say that it was worth the wait?

Hollow Knight would have been better as a linear stage-based action game instead of pointless-wanderer-simulation.

>>721088363
>Pretty sure that's not how it works.
It is if you're not a degenerate coomer.

>>721088220
Where do you get the maggot charm?

>>721088647
>Hollow Knight would have been better as a linear stage-based action game instead of pointless-wanderer-simulation.
The exploration was the best part about it, but the game was heavily at odds with itself so I have to agree that they should have picked a direction and stuck with it.

>>721088363
There was so much lewd bait in this game that Team Cherry had to be doing it on purpose
>ugly bastard flies (whose smell Hornet specifically comments on) strip her and cage her
>dog-like roaches with a pounce attack that look like they're fucking her
>forced impregnation by the Grayroot, with the removal scene genuinely sounding like a birth
>the snitchflies that grope Hornet to steal her rosaries
>perv flea
>the running joke of Hornet slapping people trying to get handsy
>these things

>>721085867
That fucker took me more tries than Radiance lole

Was there a third pale oil I could have gotten before starting act 3? The pinmaster asked for more after I gave him two but now his shop is closed and I don't know if he's gone to Shellwood or Far Fields.

>>721088647
HK is too special for me to be what you desire

But I agree with you regarding SkSong

>>721088620
Hell yeah. I'm also very glad my sabbatical from the vidya side of the internet allowed me to avoid any spoilers for the most part. Not even necessarily story spoilers, but exploring and finding out about upgrades and charms totally blind was really fun. Finding a great charm blind felt like a real game changer rather than "okay, that's the one I heard about. Mark if off the shopping list." Even the frustrating parts were fun because of the payoff of beating them. I bitched about the lava pit, but the feeling of finally triumphing over that shit made it worth it.

>>721088785
Somewhere in the Putrified Ducts above Bilewater. Takes some platforming and finding a breakable wall

>>721088995
You get the last pale oil in Act 3 itself, by beating all the highscores at the Flea Festival. The graveyard the Pinmaster's note mentions is in Shelwood and visible on the map if you've been there (it has grave markers on the map rather than just being a blank room like usual)

>>721088220
There is a /vg/ thread, but it's still early so you're not late

>>721089558
>that spoiler
That needle upgrade is gonna take a while.

>>721069494 (OP)
HK doesn't get really hard until the late game and the extra challenges. Silksong starts out easy enough and ramps up really quickly, I like to think it's basically hard mode HK.

>>721089856
it took me about 20 minutes
just remember to change crests for the juggle one

>>721089894
For Hollow Knight the really hard parts were at the end barring a boss that stumps you that everyone else found easy. The only enemies that did double damage were massive normal enemies that were very easy to dodge or endgame/godseeker bosses.

Silksong gives you a grace period of one area before it dumps some really unforgiving shit on you. It feels almost like it expected you to have played Hollow Knight just before this so you're used to what it's throwing at you.

>>721088220
you sound schizophrenic

>>721090307
I appreciate your confidence in me anon but sadly I'm extremely dogshit at videogames. I was looking up guides on doing GMS cursed after I beat her normally and the dude said he got it in 5 tries.
It took me 20 attempts.

>>721069494 (OP)
Silksong is literally easier if you use mobility and tools.

>>721090519
>For Hollow Knight the really hard parts were at the end barring a boss that stumps you that everyone else found easy.
This was most of them for me, I got filtered by floatiness of the movement. That doesn't mean it was bad, but on the other hand I think the dash was genuinely awful.
But also, I was playing on a display with a noticeable delay, and that fucked me up pretty hard in multiple games.

>>721069494 (OP)
Don't forget
>don't miss the enemies that are slightly higher than the knight
>your attacks' hitboxes aren't tiny in general
>flying shooting enemies aren't attached to you with an invisible steel pole
>you can actually control your fall and don't plummet immediately
Imagine unironically playing this casual slop.

>>721069623
>>721087549
Can confirm, I'm basically done with the game now, only things i have left to do are godhome pantheons. I also didn't go to the city of tears early on and never used the fragile charms because I didn't know how they worked and didnt want to look it up

>>721084397
I'm trying to all-bind the 3rd pantheon currently. The Collector is unironically the biggest filter for me. I don't mind learning hard patterns but when the boss is all about just randomly throwing trash mobs at you I get tilted. If I fuck up one (1) wave near the end it almost immediately snowballs out of control. If I get past the Collector I'm pretty much guaranteed to reach Zote who is a piece of shit but I honestly have a better track record against him than the Collector.

>>721069494 (OP)
Hollow Knight really works for me because if a boss is too hard to defeat, you just mark it and explore the rest of the game, coming back to it with 2 more nail upgrades HP upgrades
So you can either put the effort in by learning the boss, or by playing another 6 hours exploring
I've heard that Silksong doubles down on hard bosses and runback, not sure how open the map is comparatively

>>721088220
>>721088363
Go jerk off before posting here braindead coomer

>>721083259
I'm this anon here >>721090898 and yeah same, never used the fragile strength because i was scared it would break in a hit. Nightmare King Grimm is the best fight in the game imo, so fun and the music is fucking awesome

Does Silksong have any "desolate horror I'm not supposed to be here" locations like the Abyss or Deepnest?

>The Mist

Spooky, but what's up with this area? Why does it exist, in lore?

At what point should I start hitting up a guide for 100%ing the game? I'm in a white area and feeling like anything else from here on is checking every wall to find the remaining charms/worms.

The worst part of Act 3 is generic enemies taking 6-7 hits to kill even with a maxed needle

>>721091549
Not really. Silksong does have an Abyss, but it feels like a natural area. There are even living creatures there, and they aren't void possessed monstrosities.

>>721091549

The Mist is the closest thing to a supernatural place that shouldn't exist

>>721092428
That's entirely up to you. I barely looked anything up. I had to look up the last 2 hunter journal entries that I was missing (the giant centipedes and the shadow hands in the abyss), I had to look up 2 charms that were both early to mid game ones I happened to miss and I had to look up the location of the Path of Pain.

>>721069494 (OP)
the game is not easy you lying nigger
it's just that the only thing you do is playing games like this, why not try other genre? or other hobby now that you are there

>>721093143
I just finished the Path of Pain a couple hours ago. Wasn't as bad as I was expecting it to be. Surprised there was no achievement tied to that.

>>721071610
Troonshit has no place in videogames.

I just got to this fucker and he fucked my shit up at +1 nail

>>721093408
Yeah, PoP isn't that bad. That last section was the only one that gave me some trouble. Honestly, I'd enjoy a full game of the Palace platforming. I enjoyed it more than Super Meat Boy.

>>721093742
use vengeful spirit

>>721093853
That's what i figured but I get hit too much by the little fuckers. Their pathfinding is weird

>>721090875
>don't plummet immediately
I wish you did, I hated slowly falling to the ground and getting hit in mid-air because a boss decided to start a new attack

>>721093839
It was the second section that gave me the most grief, but it's mostly due to not being able to read the moving saws as easily compared to the rest. The rest of it was rather easy in comparison.

>>721094145
The second I got the faster-dash charm so I could dash downwards, I never unequipped that shit.

>>721078624
Are those his eyes or a mustache?

>>721094790
Wow
Fuck you
I was so sure of eyes but now I don't know.

>>721094428
I either forgot about dashing downwards or never knew you could do it, and I hope I just forgot because that's pretty fucking embarrassing otherwise. I do remember a spell that lets you drop quickly and ground pound though, are we talking about that?

>>721069874
No, it's about consistent progression, and ideally, being challenged with that progression.

>>721070436
You're describing Hollow Knight. Not Silksong. Hollow Knight. Silksong is at least mechanically sharp to make up for the exploration being dull. Hollow Knight is not and it is like pulling fucking teeth to play.

>>721093408
>>721093839
"Path of Pain"? More like Path of Mild Inconvenience"