Thread 721076515

What exactly went wrong with this game? Why did nobody play it?

I don't like how it looks in 3D it loses too much of the busy details that make it looks good

>>721076515 (OP)
Atrocious twink MC that looks like an ftm tranny.

I just buyed boughted Trials and it's pretty fun and simple.
Might get Visions whenever I finish this one.
Installed the simpler designs mod so I can see the girl's ass better.

>>721076515 (OP)
The pacing sucks ass, but the combat is good overall.

I'm playing it for Karina mostly. Her smile must be protected.
>>721076998
It kinda doesn't help that every playable member that joins after is infinitely more interesting than him.

>>721077792
>not palamena, the hottest bitch ever

>>721076515 (OP)
It was my favorite game of last year. I want to do more playthroughs with the other classes at some point. I have no idea why it did so poorly.

I had a great time Trials, Visions will be on gamepass in a few days, is ti even worth a download? everyone is always shitting on it.

>>721076515 (OP)
Not much

>>721076998
Is there even a mod to replace his model?

>>721076515 (OP)
>Soulless NPCs and world filled with shit making it look like a theme park and not feel organic at all
>Retarded storyline about how killing yourself for your government's ineptitude is good actually
>Literally the worst animated cutscenes ever conceived
>Button mashing combat that basically amount to spamming elemental shit all over the screen
>Check out these cool classes!!! (90% are useless by the way)
>Like three characters that were obviously supposed to be playable characters awkwardly cut off from the storyline but simultaneously still being around, using generic NPC animations in otherwise unique cutscenes
>Hey you know how you cleared all those places five minutes ago? Fuck you, you are backtracking to all of them.
>Three times.

It's a game made for a fanbase that doesn't exist anymore, Trials only sold because of coomer hype and as soon as the next game came out nobody cared despite having the same exact fanservice.

>>721078471
Why would there be a mod for that you absolute retard? his design is standard for the series.

it's shit
I'm pretty good at knowing if I'll like a game combined with being fairly easy to please, but this game was so unbelievably boring I dropped it over halfway after forcing myself to play for a while
it looks nice at least. what the fuck were they thinking making the cat male?

>>721076515 (OP)
No cute and funny characters

>>721076515 (OP)
I didn't like that the story was about sacrificing everyone to a fucking tree, it ruins the mood of the game.

Still waitin' for Switch 2 release.

>>721079109
I haven't beaten the game yet but the plot seems to heavily steer towards finding a way of not having to do that anymore.

I didn't boughted because
>can't pick your MC and the MC himself isn't as appealing as any of the Trial's characters
>the cat boy's face is weird and his voice doesn't fit
>squirrel girl felt like forced horny
Fans of the series saying that the gameplay and story were 'whatever' at best was the nail in the coffin

>>721078834
This.

Big shoes was cute, but not short enough

The shota should have been a loli and it would have been a day one buy for me.

Japan continues trying to appeal to people outside their target demographic who have no interest in purchasing their games, and its going to kill them in the long run. JRPGs need loli characters, and I'm tired of this industry pretending that they don't. They are a genre staple.

>>721076515 (OP)
Nuked fanservice so don't care anymore

>>721076515 (OP)
its a good game, FFX story with cute and cool characters, i think it just came out at a bad time

Chinese dogshit.

>>721076515 (OP)
The demo played like a ftp chinese mmo from 2007 that has no multiplayer. That's why I cooled on the idea, and I don't think I'm the only one.

what's up with these level 50+ groups everywhere? also the aerie combat challenges are fucking impossible are you supposed to come back later?

Lost in the sea of endless content being pissed out daily

>>721076515 (OP)
There's an event in the story, that while was going to happen, still ruins the vibe the game had going for it.

>>721078783
>his design is standard for the series.
Fucking bullshit. Trials MC looks infinitely better and doesn't look like some lesbian. Sure, his base outfit sucks with his gay midriff but all he needs is an outfit change like in the bottom image. Visions MC can't be redeemed with better outfits.

>>721076515 (OP)
the mana series have always been mediocre , they sell but don't expect more

>>721076515 (OP)
None of the characters look like Mana characters, also this: >>721076649 it loses something going to 3D.

Wasn't this release part of the 3 month period of SE just throwing out every project they had ready at once?

Harvestella was the only one I had time for and it was great

>>721080128
yes

>>721080054
This is exactly what did it for me
After playing the demo for about 30 minutes I just never looked at the game again and forgot it existed.

>>721078727
>Check out these cool classes!!! (90% are useless by the way)
>Like three characters that were obviously supposed to be playable characters awkwardly cut off from the storyline

>five playable characters
>plus those three would be eight
>one for each Mana spirit
I haven't actually played the game past the demo, but aren't each of the five playable characters associated with a specific element already? Are the three others the other three elements?

>>721080407
that was on 2022, this game is from last year

>>721076515 (OP)
It was just kinda half-baked. I needed a bunch of mods just for basic quality of life.
>mod to jump and dash in towns
>mod to teleport to save points from any continent
>mod to remove 30fps cap from cut scenes
>mod to stop characters from becoming invisible if the camera pans under them.
Also the progression was utterly fucked, like you have to ration having only two elemental spirits for the first third of the game because it feels like they arbitrarily delayed getting the fire spirit due to cutting Hina as playable.

>>721076515 (OP)
I lost interest when I found out SE outsourced to a chink studio owned by Netease to make this game.

>>721076515 (OP)
I played it, best Mana games in ages. Yes, the story is on the stupid side and the characters are very on dimensional but since I expected that I had a lot of fun, especially with the battle system. I wish there was even more post-game stuff to do.

this game and the romancing saga remake feel like they came out at the same time and i didnt have time for either

>>721078783
>Why would there be a mod for that you absolute retard?
It's 2025 and everything is made with Unreal, so model replacers are fucking trivial. Next time check yourself before you your mouth

>>721080786
I lost interest when I found out the studio was set to shut down before the game even released because Netease was pulling out of funding studios for Japan to outsource to. It didn't inspire confidence that the team had enough dev time.

Forspoken I understand but I feel like this and NEO:TWEWY should be studied. They are by no means terrible games.

>>721080694
What's up with the male midriff obsession? Either make the character topless or properly cover his chest. This shit is just weird and gay.

>>721076515 (OP)
Didn't the devs get fired before it was even released? Not a great sign of confidence. Thought about playing it for the zesty catboy but it had denuvo and by the time that was removed I didn't care anymore.

I bought Trials solely for Charlotte and enjoyed it.
Visions failed to appeal to me and did not earn my purchase.

Is there a way to reset EP?

>>721080694
This was supposed to be funny, right?

The rpg elements get better as the game goes on, but I think having the fun custom class only unlock in the post-game was probably a mistake.
The story could also be a bit weak at parts. It really needed a character in the party who challenged the idea of their ritual sacrifice.

It's boring; I really don't know who these action RPGs with mechanics as shallow as a puddle are supposed to appeal to. If combat is going to be an afterthought, at least make the world fun and interesting to explore.

>>721076515 (OP)
I'm not a fan of the series but I played the demo. The main issue was that there's simply not enough character designs that appeal to me. Combat was okay-ish but not enough to carry the game for me and make me want to buy it. I need loli characters, I generally don't play anime games that have male MCs. If you're going to have a cute and colorful anime aesthetic, in needs cute flat girls.

I pirated it ASAP after the Denuvo removal. bloated walking sim garbage is what ruined it. there's a reason they needed to hide behind Denuvo to garner what sales they could from compulsive idiots.

>>721076515 (OP)
Censored slop. No loli unlike Trials of Mana that let you oggle Charlotte little butt.

>>721076515 (OP)
I tried it. It was really fucking boring.

>>721076515 (OP)
I hate the rat faced abomination, it makes me feel uncomfortable

>>721076515 (OP)
Not on Switch.

>>721080694
I found this funny, but only because it is so poorly animated. I hope that bad guy wins in the end. He seems like he deserves it more than the poorly designed group in Ops pic.

>>721077792
what are these unholy mismatched designs. That head on the knight and the cat guy in general is just so hideous i dont get how anyone thought this is fine.

>>721082054
>>721083992
The first few hours of the game are a slog for sure. It only really starts opening up when you get more characters and elemental vessels to play around with.

>>721084440
Val just looks like a fag in general. He looks like a 4 year old boy.

>>721084440
>the cat guy in general
I get the feeling they were going for a "puss-in-boots" aesthetic with his outfits with the whole errant swordsman thing.

>>721076515 (OP)
Almost no advertisement didn't help. There really isn't a mana fan base anymore because most of us starved to death after more than a decade of neglect. Also I think most people are turned off by the visuals. The 3d models look so much worse than the 2d designs. It's difficult to attract new people to a series if the game looks ugly. Also it's important to mention that the studio that made this closed the day before the game launched, so it was pretty clear that Square abandoned it completely. It didn't have a shot.

>>721079339
Since the studio got canned, that's never happening.

>>721080128
They were trying to pad out the world with more content gated by levels. It doesn't really work.

>>721080694
>JUNIOR DARES
I fucking kneel, sect leader

>/v/irgins are still getting click-baited by """journalists""" and that's enough for them to form an opinion about a game they never played
>other retards reveal they never played a Seiken Densetsu game other than the remake of DS3 (and that includes nintendogs who seethe about Visions not being on Switch)
>the few people who played it have a mostly positive opinion about it, it's not very good but still okay but since that doesn't generate clicks or reactions those posts are ignored.

tldr kill yourself worhtless niggers

I played this game Children of Mana when I was younger that I wanted to like, but was just okay. I remember everyone on the internet hating it though.
Watching a review of the game right now, it seems like this series has more bad entries than good.

>>721087948
>the few people who played it have a mostly positive opinion about it
????
No, no they don't. What the fuck? The game is horrible, we all communally laughed about it. Not to mention shit like >>721080694
Why do you go out of your way to defend something that unironically shits over everything Seiken Densetsu builds as a series?

>>721080936
Post her panties

>>721076515 (OP)
It was fun actually

why is she like this?

It's mediocre, the plot feels derivative and Undine / Darkness limit break completely demolish every single fight, plus gear is FFXIV-esquely boring, and it barely even feels like Mana
But at least it has Palamena's tighs

>>721076515 (OP)
I'm playing right now. The game looks absolutely gorgeous.

>>721091278
I thought the wolf summon for riding around was a bit cumbersome. What do you think about it? How do you transition into fights smoothly with them? I tried running into enemies but it just damages them a bit and they immediately recover.

The game itself is perfectly serviceable but it feels almost like it was an alright remake of a game that didn't exist instead of a mid-budget new entry.
The enemies turning to crystals thing being integrated into both narrative and gameplay is cool, but it is a horrible RNG crapshoot in practice.
Not being able to see new side quests appear on the map without first leaving the area and coming back is horseshit on its own. And on top of that, the overabundance of them with no easy way to check other area maps without traveling to them is just plain bad design. This is especially egregious with any side quests that take place inside of buildings.
From what I remember, the RPG mechanics with class changes are really stiff in the character building department, preventing you from filling out the class trees in full through normal gameplay. Once you have a good class for a character unlocked it's best to just go all in on that class.
The elemental stuff like the water cannon are simultaneously imbalanced as all hell, and really clunky and momentum-killing in combat.
The dev studio shut down on the day the game released, so any support for the game also died.
I wanted more Hinna and the game killed her off because Val is retarded.

Honestly I enjoyed it much more than trials of mana. Trials is pretty shit after the first half of the game and made me wish I was just playing the original instead. Though making some of the high level ruins available at the start of the game was a weird choice because I stubbornly cleared a few of them early on and ended up with end game weapons before even having a full party.

>>721091278
>The game looks absolutely gorgeous.
It's such a step up from Trials of Mana it's insane, the game is just beautiful.

>>721076515 (OP)
Series with some great games and some okay games. Never seemed very popular outside of Secret of Mana.

With such atrocious IP mismanagement by Square Enix is there any hope for them at this point? Besides the third installment for FF7R what else do they have?

>>721091278
It looks nice but I wish it could capture the look of the Isono art. Is such a feat even possible?

>>721076515 (OP)
Nothing went wrong. The game earned money and was well received. Do not expect multi-million sales from an obscure series.

>>721094883
It's every easily possible: just hire artists to paint it and make the game with fixed camera and hand-painted assets. Indie games do that all the time

I find in interesting how these games started off as Final Fantasy spinoffs and became their own thing later ie. Final Fantasy Legend I - III became SaGa and Final Fantasy Adventure because Mana.

>>721076515 (OP)
no switch version no buyers simple as

>>721096321
I thought that was just US Square trying to market all their RPGs as Final Fantasy. Turned out to be a horrible stupid idea.
JP they were always their own IP

>>721094883
i think it did

I enjoyed it. I wish the customization wasn't so gated, I don't think it fully opens up until endgame.

>>721076515 (OP)
>After years and years of mobile games and shitty remasters announce Trials of Mana in a Direct
>Sells the best on Switch
>Revives the franchise
>Time to make the first new console Mana game in decades
>Don't hire Trials of Mana developers
>Don't put it on Switch
>Use tame designs in an attempt to have broader appeal
>Game itself is tepid

>the Switch
>the Switch
>the Switch
How come tendies became such port beggars?

>>721091278
>>721097007
I hate Unreal Engine so much.

>>721081239
Square sent them out to die, and in this game's case, it was handled in a way that it was probably not even expected to do much considering they literally sacked the dev team the day the game released like they were nothing but extremely temporary contractors for putting out a basic product. It's actually baffling how badly they've treated virtually every single thing that isn't Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest, unless you're REALLY into the quiet Saga flourish these days.

>>721097657
He's right on everything else though. Trials of Mana was a better game and the characters had visual appeal unlike in Visions. They could have made a more successful, more fun, and significantly more cheap game if they had used the same framework and devs as the Trials of Mana remake.
Probably would have been fine to make it a lower spec game that could run on an outdated shitbox like the Switch too, since the graphics hardly helped Visions sell when most people tuned out the moment they saw the character designs.

>>721080128
There's a sidequest near the end of the game to go to the ruins in all the previous areas so I guess you probably aren't expected to fight the high level shit until then
You can cheese some of them but it would take a long time to kill

>>721097281
>Don't hire Trials of Mana developers
Guess Square though they were only good for 3d remakes, which is just silly.

>>721076515 (OP)
Severe lack of lolis.

>>721099207
Besides the main characters' designs Vision looks way better than Trials, exploring the maps is also more interesting as well.
Trials was a much more better remake than the Secret of Mana one but that's also because the original was a better game as well.

Square hasn't been able to make another RPG like Trials for 30 years now but Visions is still miles and miles better than anything released after it, including Dawn of Mana which has to be the worst game of the series.

>>721076515 (OP)
I would have bought it if it was on the Switch.

>>721076515 (OP)
Comes down to the same issue as like 99% of games these days.

It was mid. Being mid is considered the biggest sin in gaming, atleast if it's atrociously bad people talk about it. But mid games aren't offensive enough to warrant discussion so the game just immediately dies and no one even hears of it or forms an emotional attachment.

It's also partially why people here on this board and elsewhere on the internet magnify what are frankly minor issues is because they are trying to come up with something that keeps it out of that range and form some kind of emotional connection albeit negative.

Square Enix is fucking scum. There's nothing much else to say.

>>721076515 (OP)
Wasn't on Switch

>>721083974
You couldn't even see her butt in her poofy pants

>>721076515 (OP)
Zero replayability. Class customization doesn't unlock until you beat the final boss.

>>721102632
>he didn't go the best class route

>>721076515 (OP)
The story sucks, the character building isn't fun until the postgame, and the game's clearly not finished.