Thread 721081028

He's right about Dark Souls, you know.

>>721081028 (OP)
the reason people like this are not taken seriously by the general public (despite having good views) are that they're 100% negative, and seek solely to destroy instead of create. Nobody takes you seriously if you live your life as a negative faggot

>twitter post is from 2021
>4chan post is from 2025
I don't get it

>>721081028 (OP)
filthy baitposting
the dates dont make sense

>>721081707
metacommentary on twitter pajeets or something.

>>721081707
>>721081894
OP made a fake tweet so people would engage with it.

>>721081707
>>721081812
>>721081960
samefag

>>721081397
Souls fans are incredibly negative about anything not made by Miyazaki.

>>721081028 (OP)
I am guessing it all started from Miyazaki becoming the head of FS. DeS is the one with least influence from Miyazaki, and was probably even better before Miyazaki changed it up. Remember how Sony considered the og DeS to be "unplayable," which just means "really fucking good." I can only imagine how much better of DeS was.

>>721083348
>DeS is the one with least influence from Miyazaki, and was probably even better before Miyazaki changed it up. Remember how Sony considered the og DeS to be "unplayable," which just means "really fucking good." I can only imagine how much better of DeS was.
Complete delusion.

>>721081028 (OP)
Unpopular opinion, souls games have never been good, you're just in denial about it.

>Understated ost
The same game with HA HA HA HA HA?
>>721083612
Also this

Dark Souls died with the Asylum Demon

Yeah demons souls is the best one. The second best one is sekiro

>>721083348
dark souls 2 has the least miyazaki influence and was worked on by king's field and armored core staffer.

the level design actually peaked with king's field 2 (1 in the US)

>>721083612
/thread. It's delusional to think any of them are good even around that era where better games came out.

>>721081028 (OP)
Dark souls has done irreparable damage to gaming as a whole

>>721081028 (OP)
That’s funny I found this to be the worst one.

Fromsoft is Bethesda 2.0 without the charm.

>>721081028 (OP)

Dark Souls 1 is infinitely better in every way than Demon's Souls.

>>721085571
Demon's Souls*

>>721085571
How exactly?

>>721083612
>>721083937
>>721085531
Pathological contrarians

FromSoftware is a business software company. They release a product, then learn about what their consumers liked about the product, then make a product that does more of that and less of the other things. And they continue to iterate on this until they arrive at something everyone, or at least the most customers, like.

Sorry, chud, but you're not FromSoft's customer anymore.

>>721081028 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np5PdpsfINA
This sums it up pretty well.

Fromsoft has never made a good game. It's all the same iteration of dogshit Demon's Souls. Play actual good games for God's sake if you think any of that garbage has any redeeming qualities.

>>721085810
>be Elden ring
>introduce easy mode
>handicap invasions
>muh co-op
>muh open world
I agree with you.

DeS was the best souls game, but Sekiro was better than all the souls games.

It turns out that when you balance for a single weapon and minor upgrades instead of 80 different stupid weapons, armor, and retarded upgrade paths, you get a much more cohesive experience with correct difficulty progression. But instead we get more slop like ER, a clumsy mess of half-finished ideas and areas with no real reasoning behind them.

>>721085727
ROLLSLOP
ROLLSLOP
ROLLSLOP
>HEHE IM SUCH AN EPIK HARDQUEER GAYMER >;)

I know it has problems but I will continue to portbeg for Demon's Souls remake on PC. It's the best game in the series and the game I miss the most. Modding could completely fix the issues with the remake. Can you imagine Demon's Souls remake with mods to some of the character models to be more like the original?

>>721081028 (OP)
It was also the easiest game in the series, what was his point exactly?

>>721086238
RPCS3?

>>721085810
Why must every business turn to shit? I remember a time when businesses were held to standards by the PEOPLE, when the satisfaction of the PEOPLE was more important profits. Corporations used to serve the will of the people, deliver the best possible products instead of the best possible profits at the expense of mediocre products. When exactly did all this flip? When exactly did people begin assuming products were supposed to be shit so shareholders could continue to make 100 million times their own income? When exactly did people begin to apologize on behalf of these corporations?

>>721086238
>portbeg for Demon's Souls remake on PC
the remake was pure shit, bro. completely butchered any and all art direction
someone post the collage

>>721086363
>I remember a time when businesses were held to standards by the PEOPLE, when the satisfaction of the PEOPLE was more important profits
It still is. And the PEOPLE have decided that Elden Ring is the best game and have rewarded From by giving them all of their money for catering to the PEOPLE. If the PEOPLE didn't want it, it would have gone the way of AssCreed Shadows.

>>721086167
>a genre of games exists
>nooooo!!!!
So what are some good games then?

>>721081028 (OP)
Dark souls is universally considered shit after the belfry & its still highly rated because gamers are dumb fucking retards that only care about popular opinion being good at it supersedes its quality

>>721086250
>what was his point
He likes easy games.

>>721081028 (OP)
>no zanzibard forgive me bullshit, character motivations and backstories are generally rich, relatable and symapthetic
The game literally ends with a fake-out fuck you non-boss and then the girl seals herself inside the demon mom, it's complete bullshit if you don't dig deep enough to start understanding the game's background elements. Hell, I'd argue that DaS has a far easier to follow ending, given there's an NPC that exists to literally explain to you the sham you're being put through granted, a hidden NPC that you'll likely only find on NG+ cycles playing blind.

>>721086535
Beatemups

>>721086552
after whom

>>721085909
And what are those good games? You didn't just come into a thread and shit out an opinion with nothing of value did you?

>>721086535
shmups

>>721086363
but anon, what i described IS serving the will of the people. sorry to disappoint you, but the people are retarded, and spend their days willing and wishing for retarded things.

>>721086734
>beat em ups
>pic related

>>721086552
Nigger the two best areas in the game don't even unlock until after you ring both bells, don't tell me you got filtered by a swamp lmao

>>721086694
>god is merciful, and so created the old one, a poison to the poision
Does that not make literally the whole game make sense?

>>721087015
Why is the king a slug now

>>721086956
Is that even shit? It looks more like chocolate pudding. Ive never ever had shit that looks like this.

>>721085727
Beyond every action game devolving into rollslop, the whole git gud mentality became a get out of jail free card for devs used to excused a bunch of asinine decisions by permavirgins

>>721087173
>the whole git gud mentality became a get out of jail free card for devs used to excused a bunch of asinine decisions by permavirgins
Both sides are pretty retarded. Difficulty doesn't make a game good and a game isn't bad just because you're too shit to beat it. There's nuance to it, which I get is a foreign concept to your average terminally online retard.

>>721087046
He has literally merged with the old one, the final boss takes place inside the old one and he cant escape. Why do i have to spell this out for you, i understood all this when i played the game for the first time when i was 10. Are you aware the maiden in black is a metaphor for a prostitute, just like all the level up NPCs, theyre always female for that reason.

>>721083612
>>721083937
>>721085531
Only good posts ITT

>>721087374
>her merged with the old one
I have never gotten that impression and I'm pretty sure you're just injecting head canon into the ending now.
>Are you aware the maiden in black is a metaphor for a prostitute, just like all the level up NPCs, theyre always female for that reason.
Oh you're actually just retarded.

>>721086694
I'm drawing a blank, which NPC?

>>721081028 (OP)
That and Dark Souls 1, after that it just became a mess.

>>721086363
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFgcqB8-AxE

>>721087113
Never had diarrhea? Go eat some jeet or chink food.

>>721087498
Darkstalker Frampt. Granted, he has his own self serving agendas so you have to take what he says with a grain of salt, but he gives a lot of much needed context to both of the game's endings and the true underlying narrative and themes of the game by providing a perspective of the opposite side of the spectrum from Gwyn and his followers.

Demon's Souls sucks just like the rest. Sekiro was mildly decent but to an extent.

>>721087492
>THE CURTAINS ARE BLUE FOR NO REASON SYMBOLISM DOESNT EXIST SUBTEXT DOESNT EXIST LALALALALA IM NOT LISTENING
anon do you think fight club is a badass movie about fighting and martial arts?

>>721081028 (OP)
As much as Microshill sucks, I miss when the first Dark Souls was under them because I loved receiving death threats from being a dick wraith

>>721088046
Symbolism exists, your specific interpretation is just retarded.

>>721081397
>acknowledges validity of his argument
>still gets upset over the negativity
Criticism is not destruction. It's evaluation.

>>721085810
>They release a product, then learn about what their consumers liked about the product, then make a product that does more of that and less of the other things.
Essentially, it's pandering.
This is good for making money. It's bad for making games.

>>721088275
Nah its pretty simple analysis. Stay retarded. All the level up NPCs in from games are metaphors for prostitutes.

>>721088525
I don't think you actually understand the narrative function of a metaphor.

Locations game design in souls games is key
Nowadays is only a boss rush

He's completely right, although DS1 was a slight improvement rather than a backsliding. Dark Souls was still about level design with the boss at the end being the final test barring a few exceptions. Everything after that was a lesser product.

>>721088669
Please enlighten me as to which metaphor I am supposed to have misunderstood.

>>721088567
>character is female
>"must be some deep sex work symbolism at play"
Unironically kill yourself at the earliest convenience

>>721088525
bad for making games? i dont get that claim. FromSoft has been making games for decades now.
i think what you missed is that making games is only good for making money. sorry did you think they were objets d'art?

>>721088567
>All the level up NPCs in from games are metaphors for prostitutes.

>>721081028 (OP)
I still remember that one scammer retard who started "translating" elden ring boss themes.
Turns out they're all computer generated gibberish.

>>721081028 (OP)
Literally everything that post says is extremely subjective and some twatter npc using it as an example in place of his own opinion is funny.

>>721086959
I didnt get filtered at all because I grew up in the 90s with games from the 80s. Only retards get "filtered" by pattern recognition games with several get out of jail free options. Risen 2 is harder than the shitsouls quadrology nigger

>>721089329
the parts about emphasis on level design and lack of checkpoints are not subjective at all

>>721085342
Yes, but the game was completely butchered by upper management. But, if you look at whatever we have of pre-butchered Dark Souls 2, it was shaping up to be better than both DeS and DS1. The point's the same: Miyazaki ruined Souls/King's Field.

>>721089119
>touch the demon inside me
>stays in the same place providing relief to countless warriors
>is valued for abilites that are innate as opposed to earned
Its not even subtle. Its an absurdly obvious metaphor.

>>721081028 (OP)
They obliged the retarded fans that thought the game was all about being hard. Easy to see as early as "Prepare to Die" edition. A finger curled when Dark Souls became popular, and we will never, ever get that magic again because devs took all the wrong lessons from DeS and DS.

>>721089172
>i think what you missed is that making games is only good for making money. sorry did you think they were objets d'art?
I do personally think artistic sensibilities are important to games, but there's also a question of quality. What makes the most money is not necessarily what makes the best product.
Most games are made to turn a profit, but good ones are also driven by passion and vision. When you compromise those too heavily in the pursuit of what makes more money or panders the hardest, your game becomes worse.

>>721089785
Remove yourself retard. They are all women because Miyazaki has a fetish and by now it's a staple of the series.
Even entertaining your stupid notion, one would reasonably assume that the fire keepers or what have you are a "maternal", protective figure that offers respite and warmth.

>>721090110
>maternal
>offers respite and support to literally any man who walks up with enough currency
>if you have no currency she cannot help you
Anon, why are you so desperate to deny this obvious metaphor?

>>721081707
it's american date format

>>721089982
>What makes the most money is not necessarily what makes the best product
this is a radically heterodox business theory claim, do you have even a single fact to back it up, hippie?

>good ones are driven by passion and vision
no, good artists are driven by that stuff. and a long time ago, it was thought that good art would be needed in a video game to garner a larger amount of customers. so business leaders hired good artists to make those games. but that thought turned out to be either wrong, or specific to a certain historical situation that doesnt exist anymore.

You know a series is good when /v/ seethes about it on a near daily basis

>>721090906
uma musume is a good game?

>>721090947
It has cute anime horse girls so yes

>>721090789
>this is a radically heterodox business theory claim, do you have even a single fact to back it up, hippie?
It's readily apparent to anyone with two braincells to rub together. Do you need me to explain the logic to you?

>>721090494
>Any service done by a woman in exchange for currency is basically prostitution
Sorry man, I'm not that far gone

>>721085571
Is not Dark Souls it was (are) the FROMdrones.

That special ilk of fanboys killed "civil" discussion, I'm glad that more people are waking up to that fact but it is going to take a few more months and more Chink kusoge to finally have the discussion we should have had a decade ago.

>>721081028 (OP)
I think im just too old (28) for the series at this point. Having to spend hours fighting a boss to see the next area just doesn't interest me anymore.

>>721092127
>Having to spend hours fighting a boss to see the next area just doesn't interest me anymore.
It's always weird to me that people jump to blame their age for that. There isn't an inherent quality to aging that makes you simply not enjoy things anymore.

>>721091919
>metaphors dont exist chud!
Back to sqaure 1 we are. Its a very obvious metaphor for prostitution anon. I dont know why are are being retarded about this.

>>721092390
There literally is though retard. As you get older your muscles get weaker. Your dopamine receptors start blocking more of the fun chemicals, which causes your brain to start making correlations between things such as failing at video games not being fun. Same thing happens with all activities thats why the trope of grizzled old hunter that just ain't got it no more but is willing to pass his knowledge down comes from in stories.

>>721087636
Takes one to know one...

>>721092127
Silksong made me realize that if a boss takes more than 5 tries to defeat I'm not having fun.

>DeS tards unironically think the level up girls are prostitutes (but don't ask them what the implications of that are on the greater themes of the narrative).
These are the low iq sorts that shill this game.

>>721090494
I have no dog in this fight. I just find it utterly bizarre that you came up with this and insist it is the only correct interpretation. And even if you were correct, her being a symbolic prostitute means nothing in the overall context of the story. Nothing in the game would lead you to believe this and no open questions are resolved through your retarded model.

>>721092736
the guy is in his late 20s fag. your muscles dont get a lot weaker until youre past your 50s. if you were talking about twitch action shooters where reaction time is everything, you might have a point, but you dont need reaction time in fromsoft games, you just need to memorize timing.

>>721092736
This sounds like rationalization to me. Even if there is some dopamine decline (which I am simply taking your word for) psychological factors have a much bigger impact.
I never understand people simply deciding they're too old for something. Like, if you don't like it, I guess it's not big loss, but a lot of people use it like they're rather be helpless and just not bother trying.

>>721093471
>her being a symbolic prostitute means nothing in the overall context of the story
Literally all the games are about corruption and degredation of the world, much like how prostitution corrupts and degrades the women who commit it. It fits in with the narratives of all the games perfectly. Why are you being retarded?

>>721093868
imho the only relevant difference between your average gaymer at 20 vs 30 is that the 30yo might find it harder to ignore that he should be doing something else than wasting his time in games.

Did a shazamfag rope? You've been pretty uppity today.

>>721086238
god you can get it on the ps3 for like 60dolla you poor faggot

none of these fags here will ever get the feel of breaking all of the other guys shit

>>721094327
screw that, your average laptop can probably emulate it just fine

>>721094019
>imho the only relevant difference between your average gaymer at 20 vs 30 is that the 30yo might find it harder to ignore that he should be doing something else than wasting his time in games.
Honestly yes, that is the case with me. But that's only indirectly related to aging, it's just a shifting of priorities and a nagging sense that your time should be spent more wisely.

>>721081028 (OP)
I take issue with the claim that Motoi Sakuraba and Yuka Kitamura didn't pour their souls (heh) into the Dark Souls soundtracks. Every game in the trilogy has its fair share of flops but there are far more bangers than not and I'll die on that hill.

>>721091694
yeah you need to explain how an "engoodened" product that doesnt sell is better than a shitty product that sells like hotcake.

>>721094448
yet your begging for ports

>>721081028 (OP)
DS3 was better than 2 and so was Elden Ring. Here's the objective Souls games ranking(yes ER counts as a Souls game)
Dark Souls 1 > Dark Souls 3 > Elden Ring > Dark Souls 2 > Demon's Souls
Or the same but with Bloodborne > Dark Souls 1 if you want to count that.

>>721094990
>yeah you need to explain how an "engoodened" product that doesnt sell is better than a shitty product that sells like hotcake.
The assumption that quality and sales are the same thing is incredibly flawed to begin with. Quality makes sales more likely, but they're different metrics entirely.
Profit = good is essentially the same as saying that popular = good, which is another thing that anybody with eyes and a brain can see is not always the case.

>>721095981
lmao.

DS1 >= DeS > Bloodborne > DS2 > ER > DS3

>>721096068
No

>>721081397
brainlets are incapable of taking such criticism and flipping it to be constructive

>>721095981
Honestly based

>>721088334
Criticism isn't good criticism unless it can also acknowledge the positive aspects.

A good criticism should start with flattery and end with flattery.

>>721095610
who is

>>721096594
pls sony give me remake on pc
got 1000s of games but sit in the cuck chair for one you little bitch

>>721096329
>Criticism isn't good criticism unless it can also acknowledge the positive aspects.

>A good criticism should start with flattery and end with flattery.
Criticism will be softened and better received if it's couched with flattery. That doesn't change its value as criticism.
I suppose criticism that acknowledges positives is more likely to be carefully considered and comprehensive. But it's not always necessary to include positives. Sometimes being harsh is exactly what is needed.

>>721086047
>add all that
>the game is still the biblical definition of shit game design, self-copying and poor quests/storytelling
you knew they just catered to the "audience" instead of fixing their rollslop game

>>721096329
I can criticise a pile of dog shit for being stinky without acknowledging the positive aspects of it thank you

>>721081028 (OP)
DS1 is dogshit and the only reason people think its the best is rose tinted nostalgia glasses.
>combat is slow and clunky
>world design is fucking terrible after anor londo
>boss movements and attacks are repetitive and lack weight
The only thing it does better than DS3 is the interconnectedness of the world, everything else DS3 does better by a million times. If DS3 wasnt so linear it would be a masterpiece.
DS2 is just shit in every conceivable way.

>>721096037
mm, maybe, but we're in a thread whose premise is that fromsoft got more sales by decreasing product quality. the real gotcha here is the assumption that elden ring is worse than dark souls. but you wouldnt want to broach that, either. you're unironically too retarded to continue speaking with

>>721085571
at this point, yes, around the time when DS3 released, no, unfortunately retarded fandom has fuelled all other devs to copy

>>721081028 (OP)
yeah no shit

>>721081028 (OP)
>rich level design
>when every souls game has the game design sensibilities of a 2004 doom wad
This is how I know it's all larp and nostalgia faggotry.

>>721083612
Thats a popular opinion with contrarians althobiet

Peak contrarianism.

>>721093868
that's the thing with middle age. physiologically in the moment there's very little difference between you and your younger self, you just no longer have access to a decade of buffer space to fuck around and enjoy trivialities.

>>721094867
Especially because most of DeS soundtrack, while being unique, sounds like JRPG shit from the 90s. It's not technically competent.

>>721096734
ok schizo

>>721097085
>mm, maybe, but we're in a thread whose premise is that fromsoft got more sales by decreasing product quality
Look, as long as you aren't literally incapable of understanding that quality and sales aren't the same, I'm happy. If you were unable to comprehend that on a conceptual level I would have had to yell at you or something.
> the real gotcha here is the assumption that elden ring is worse than dark souls. but you wouldnt want to broach that, either. you're unironically too retarded to continue speaking with
They're difficult to compare directly, but I do think Dark Souls does what it does better than Elden Ring. Mostly I think the open world added a lot of padding, and they chase meme difficulty too much at the expense of other factors. If that makes me not worth talking with, so be it.

>>721098264
you are begging for ports you dumb cunt

>>721081028 (OP)
popular opinion, souls games get better with every release.

>>721081028 (OP)
>bosses are tests of your mettle
DeS's bosses are gimmick garbage.
>Armor and clothing are extremely memorable, and understated OST
No more than the other games.

I played it day one 16 years ago, and have no problem admitting its faults.
It's only better than DS2.

>>721083612
I only played DS1 and it was the only game i managed to complete that year (the highest form of praise i can give)

>>721085810
what you're saying is "appeal to the lowest common denominator". All devs are doing this shit now and as a result games are safe, boring, soulless and similar

>>721081028 (OP)
>memorable armor and clothing
only in DS2 where they actually did stuff

>>721102010
and maybe the havel set

>>721081397
Unfortunately you're right. Criticising is seen as attacking someone's reputation rather than reaching a greater truth. At the same time, even worse, the easiest way to make someone say something positive is to ragebait them about something desecrating that, like OP missing the qualities of Demon's Souls that the later entries ignored

>>721098779
relax gay boy lol

>>721092390
You have to consider that some anons here have over four decades of gaming under their belt. The reward from beating something in a game definitely isn't the same over time. You start asking yourself if it's worth the physical pain because your nerves or arthritis is acting up and you haven't slept well in well over a decade. Then somebody without health problems because of luck or age chimes in and acts like that's not a normal age issue because of survivor bias. Other people have other motivations for playing games than you do and don't always find the things you enjoy enjoyable.

>>721099413
I would destroy this fucking skeleton.

>>721083348
makes sense, des and ds2 are the best in the series while having the least amount of input from him

>>721089872
/thread

>>721090694
The year comes at the end of American dates.

>>721096329
No, flattery is worthless. If absence of "feel good words" is what triggers you, you're unfit to participate in any conversation.

>>721096329
me telling you how nice your tie is doesnt make the game less dogshit you vain motherfucker.

When DeS got remade everyone just complained it was too easy

Also it has the same quest/NPC stuff as DS (what anons descrbe as the zanza meme or w/e)

>twitter screenshot of a 4chan screenshot
kill yourself

>>721096749
Well, let's see what this twitter faggot's criticisms about Dark Souls are.
>dark souls has less emphasis than demons souls on everything other than combat
Incorrect and barely expressed in a sensible way (retard)
>demons souls does not have environmental storytelling
Yes it does
>demons souls doesn't have convoluted npc/quest interactions
Yes it does
>dying doesn't matter in dark souls
Yes it does
>there's a bonfire in dark souls "in every room"
No there isnt
>gear in dark souls is not memorable
Yes it is
>dark souls ost is worse
I dont' care

This is what you think is substantive criticism? He's not pointing to a single specific example from either game to illustrate his points. (Neither did I, as there is no onus on me to do so in responding to vagueness, but I can do so if asked.)
This is more gen alpha retard shit from a person who is probably not white and obviously can't express himself using English very well.

You guys are quite simply just stupid.

>>721085316
sekiro is parryslop trash

>>721085727
Because everything HAD to start becoming a dark souls clone to the point of "soulslike" and "soulsborne" becoming common terms to describe the game, and EVERYTHING needed press-roll-button-for-invincibility.
Look at the state of PoE2 and tell me it'd even exist if baldy wasn't wanking over dark souls.

>>721113008
>fromsoft is responsible for everyone who copied them
Wow, they are SO powerful... This is like one of those jewish conspiracies.

>>721113202
4chan has rotted your brain.

>>721113008
>Look at the state of PoE2 and tell me it'd even exist if baldy wasn't wanking over dark souls.
Grinding 1k hours so you can oneshot screens of enemies while zipping around like a crackhead can't possibly be worsened by the introduction of a roll

I really like Viewtiful Joe. I hope they rerelease it soon I'd love to play it again.

>>721113515
to say it's just about the roll isn't correct
baldy fell for the
>meaningful combat
meme and thinks that players need to spend 3-4 seconds every single common mob, when none of them have any more than one attack, none drop anything and there's hundreds of them on every map
except making PoE2 another kill-the-screen simulator like PoE1 just defeats the point of making PoE2 at all
except baldy has THE VISION of players rolling around Cursemaw the Cursed Cursehound while "epic" gregorian chanting plays and forgot that there's actually supposed to be anything else to it