Thread 721095273

>Hollowtrannies think their game is difficult

Lol. Lmao, even.

>>721095273 (OP)
>muh parryslop

>>721095273 (OP)
Stop trying to start a flame war

>muh meme gaym so hard
>actually boring as fuck and drop it 6 hours in
parallel indie slops, without contest
Silksong is DOTY 2025
the D is for disappointment, dumbass

>>721095273 (OP)
Hollow Knight is easy.
Silksong is hard.
Nine Sols is a half baked coomer game pretending to be more.

>>721095273 (OP)
I think their difficulty is comparable
9S is much shorter and exploration is worse, but some of the boss fights are more interesting mechanically

>>721096564
Nine Sols is a more complete and polished product than either of the hollow knight games.

>>721096220
Youre so fucking cool anon. I wish i had taste as bad as yours

>>721096564
>nine sols is a coomer bait
when did you understand that you were a furry?

>>721095273 (OP)
I thought this game was about bugs in bugland. Not....jedi? Yoda thing? The fuck???

>>721095273 (OP)
>one is difficult
>one is more difficult
makes sense to me

played both, difficulty for both is different level

>>721097204
Nine sol is about cats and human pets. Hollow knight is about bugs.
Hope this cleared the air for you

>>721095273 (OP)
i dont know why nine sols fags have a superiority complex but
9S's difficulty (enemy attacks, your defense) boil down to how much you struggle with shallow parryslop and braindead estus. hell if you played sekiro 9s is a joke

>>721095273 (OP)
ugly """""art""""style

I genuinely think Nine Sols should be cited as an example of how to incorporate good writing in a video game medium.
>Yi's development from vengeful murder goblin to someone with hope for the future depends entirely on how much stuff you find to open up Shuanshuan interactions
>The masterful fakeout with Heng's codec calls that were presented as Yi's guilt trips/hallucinations, but turned out to be real messages from 500 light years away
>Genuinely meaningful conversations with Lear when getting powerups. The single line "Neither does this old fool" hits like a truck
Yes I'm fellating it and I will die on that hill. You may not like 9S gameplay, but the way it mixes it with storytelling shuld be used as an example. It gave me new respect for the Taiwanese, honestly.

>>721095273 (OP)
>>721096220
>>721096813
kill yourselves tribefags, and return to tao

>>721098512
No

>>721095273 (OP)
I love both, stop trying to bait arguments

>>721095273 (OP)
does this game require you to go through a path of pain to get back to your body?

>>721095273 (OP)
>even mentioning Hollow Shitskins
Why bother? They're quite literally the Fromcucks of 2d platforms KEK

>>721098387
I genuinely think you have autism. A major critique of nine sols is long winded npc rants that most people who play the game cite to its detriment. You can bury your head in the sand and call them filtered. You can and should ignore their suggestions of how to make a better game, but you shouldn't ignore that they expressed displeasure with the narrative delivery explicitly. That tells you that you should not model your game after nine sols because on a subconscious level it did something wrong.

I read every single textbox in nine sols. I didn't mash and took in the whole story. It was unremarkable. It wasn't bad and I didn't hate the characters but I didn't care for it either. The visual dramatic depictions did a lot more heavy lifting for the story than the walls of philosophical navel gazing.

>>721095273 (OP)
I MUSSSSSST PARRRRRERRRRRY

>>721103692
>long winded NPC rants
People are incapable of reading a paragraph max?

>>721103692
>on a subconscious level
Lmao
What is there even to comment?

>>721103692
I genuinely think you're retarded. Stunted at best.

>>721095273 (OP)
Eigong is the only fight in the game that is remotely hard and it's just because her moves are unnatural or the player hasn't had time to learn them
Most people had not praticed the charged parry more than necessary, much less chaining them together
You need to doublecheck what dodging methods are legal against each one of her moves, and there are many of them. Like how do you dodge her phase 3 I fly fucking everywhere attack? You just have to try it
Nothing you have to do in the fight is hard it just takes time to learn it all

I like both games. Crazy concept, I know

>>721104785
Pick a side you fence sitting cuck

>>721104645
I like how phase 1 exist so phase 2 can punish you for doing the exact same. And phase 3 starts off on a supermove that ignores most of the rules in the game, which can then be cheesed by just doing the opener since she doesn't react to missing

>>721104645
Can I jump over this? Nope
Can I charged parry this move? Nope
What is the parry timing here? Ah, ok
How many hits can I sneak in? Can I do a 5 charge talisman here?
Can I sneak in a waterflow or 3 charge talisman here between these attacks? Only sometimes, ok
This experimentation takes time and Eigong has like what, 15 different attacks at least? And can chain them together in different ways? Plus you die quite quickly if you don't hold dont block like a pussy and take internal damage anyway, which makes the process of learning longer
You also need to learn when to heal and whatnot.
Let's not pretend like she doesn't have at least two fake-out attacks that are meant to fuck people up until they learn to be patient
There were probably some people who even avoided parrying unless they had to which, again, contributes to her being perceived as hard
The game pidgeonholes you into playing a certain way, and only that way. If you were a dodger and jumper guess what bozo, you are supposed to parry everything. It's piss easy if you do, and if you give up on attacking and just talisman + parry, since the game won't let you take damage if you do since you can heal back internal damage, but most people don't play that way
Every other fight in Nine Sols is a lot easier and Silksong is a lot harder in general
Exploration in Nine Sols is easier. Most bosses are easier. Enemies are easier. Platforming is easier. The segment that killed the most people is probably the prison escape one let's get real

nah, ss and hk level design mogged ns' hard, Eigong was peak tho

>>721104645
>>721105267
Most hits you take are from being "greedy" and trying to learn when you can talisman or hit her.
>oh, if I talisman high up in the air on this attack I can always avoid her follow attack and deal damage
That fact should speak for itself, it's not even her moveset that is hard for the most part. Most people who reached the final boss won't struggle with her parry timings if they actually focus, it's the mixups and her punishes

>>721104626
It really stings to hear this from a furfaggot

>>721103692
there's not substantiating a claim & then there's exposing yourself as a retard by laying your non sequiter logic bare

>>721104959
play moar gaems faggot

>>721104075
It's not a matter of capability it is a matter of willingness. Nine sols fails to entice the reader to be willing to engage with its text dumps. I think the major issue is not even content or delivery it is structure. It falls victim to being a video game first in its identity hierarchy and a narrative second. The structures that make for a good video game should take precedence.

Ultimately the flaw was trying to blend the two unsuccessfully. In one hand you have game progression and in the other narrative progression. Nine sols often gatekeeps game progress behind narrative progression. An example would be the gmo seed. The player gives shaunshaun his seed. The player in video game progression mindset wants to see what reward comes from this action. The player is focusing on the reward and disinterested in the text standing in the way of the reward. If most of the characterization texts were decoupled from rewards and voluntarily engaged with the story would be better received.

This is why I take issue with an autist who claims that nine sol's flawed structural narrative presentation system should be regarded as an example of good writing in video games. His only evidence is "I liked the story." He is not paying attention to or heeding the vast amount of criticism and other voices saying they found the story to be the weakest part of the package.

Now post another rat with tits or something to cope

>>721096220
You type like you were born in 2010 KWAB

>>721095273 (OP)
Can't speak for the Hollow game. But... I just wanna write that my controller broke during this fight. Granted this same controller survived the entirety of Sekiro including Isshin + Entirety of The Last Faith. What I am trying to say is, I will always remember this cat hag and hate her with a burning passion.

>>721105598
>Most hits you take are from being "greedy"
I remember trying to get cheeky 5 charge talismans on some attacks just to get hit before they exploded.

I had more fun with Nine Sols at least
It was fairly difficult. Emphasis on fairly

>>721095273 (OP)
9soles is mechnically difficult but not punishing you with crap like tedious runbacks - so its not anti-fun like shillsong is

>>721095273 (OP)
>only one hard boss

>>721095273 (OP)
She is terribly overrated, is a good fight, but is not harder than your average rollslop boss.

>>721095273 (OP)
>"look how hard my furfag indie is!"
>not a single webm of gameplay itt
lol

>>721111895
Silksong introducing much more people to furry women is a win in my book

>>721110063
Yeah I just used the 3 charge one it's much better for the fight and strikes a nice balance

>>721095273 (OP)
I've played Nine sols and HK+Silksong. Nine sols isn't as difficult as people make it out to be. Parry takes care of 90% of attacks if you just learn the timing. Eigong is relatively difficult as she forces you to use all of your defensive options and demands you pay attention, but I don't consider 9S to be that difficult as whole. Even Eigong will start to feel easy once you've learned her pattern.

>>721112392
I know but I loved the 5 charge too much to change it. Also iirc I used parry jades with infernal damage transfer.