Thread 721143012

Why are they so greedy? There is no reason not to have fully voiced dialogue unless you're a one man studio.

Counterpoint: you're a superficial faggot that only cares about the presentation and not the content.

>>721143012 (OP)
They release games more than once every 10 years

>>721143012 (OP)
VA is a huge cost for games. Especially for RPGs.

>>721143012 (OP)
I fucking hate when everything is voice acted. You have no internal voice you npc fuck.

>>721143012 (OP)
get used to reading nigger

>>721143012 (OP)
isn't their next game supposed to have full VA ? seems like the normalfags got to them in the end

>>721143012 (OP)
well their new games do so you're good, lil bro.

>>721143012 (OP)
>mfw Disco Elysium got full narrator VA

>>721143980
Mass Effect clone will have full VA
Dark Heresy will have more VA than usual, but still not complete. Companions and other important NPCs will be fully voiced, but everyone else will not.

>>721143980
No, it's supposed to be more tightly written. Think more Rogue Trader opening part compared to the rest of the game.

>>721144060
According to the latest information 54% of US adults read below the equivalent of a sixth-grade level. Take that for what you will.

Voice acting would expose how cringe the writing is in those games

>>721144503
trvke

>>721144131
Should have just went back to pathfinder

>>721143012 (OP)
I can't think of a single RPG where I don't skip through all the voice lines as soon as I've finished reading. It's a huge waste and I'd rather they put effort into anything else.

>>721144503
This is actually true.

>>721143441
>his monkey brain is so primitive that he has to dumb his high level thoughts down to a linguistic level just so he can become conscious of them
lmaoing @ u rn

>>721144654
I guess the edition change discouraged them.

>>721144654
why

>>721144503
Not necessarily. Games with VA in mind are written differently precisely because the writing is supposed to be spoken out loud.

>>721143012 (OP)
I don't care if it means they make a ton of quests.

Owlcat shills give me a curse of the crimson throne adventure path already. I'm not buying your 40k.

>>721144654
It's especially bad because there's AT LEAST half dozen APs they could've still adapted.

>>721144131
why does it have the disco elysium UI

>>721145467
Actual question is why does DE have Shadowrun Returns UI.

>>721143012 (OP)
am I the only one who preferred old zelda style, where you had no voice acting but with cutscenes with actual cinematography.
having to listen to droning mediocre voicelines while staring at a blank screen is torture

>>721143012 (OP)
Uhh yeah i turn the voices off in every game unless they are just ambient voices like morrowind.

>>721143012 (OP)
Voiced dialogues have been net negative for the genre resulting in cutting down options and length. Do you really hate RPGs that much that you want to ruin them?

>>721143012 (OP)
>"Well hi-"
>"So-"
>"Oh-"
>"Well tha-"
>"Hu-"
Who listens to that shit man, I'm not sitting around waiting for some dime store VAs to fuck up a line, I'm here to play videogame, I just read the text and hit next like a sane person. Full VA is the biggest fucking waste of time a videogame can invest in, just keep them for the in-game callouts/reacts if you want that.

>>721144503
Larian games have voice acting and their dialogues are written worse than WEGs
Yet people like it

>>721145385
They're not coming back to Pathfinder anytime soon and probably never.
The only reason they made them in the first place is because it's a relatively well-known DND clone that a no-name studio can make games for. Now that they have some reputation and experience they can make other games without being limited by Paizo.

>>721145660
Normies like it. Stone cold incel CRPG fans like me don’t like it. Go fucking hang yourself, you retarded fuck

>>721145660
i found wotr's dialogue to be much worse, personally.
bg3 characters say fuck, occasionally.
meanwhile characters saying kinda, nah, whatcha is common in wotr. and yet people on /v/ treat that game like its dao writing for some reason.

>>721145705
>want to make games without being limited by an overbearing rights holder
>decides to work with games workshop
is the studio run by inbreds?

>>721145573
It's funny because CRPGs figured this shit out ages ago. Just have enough audio barks to represent character personality and save VA for key scenes. That's how you A) add more life to the game since you hear incidental dialog more and B) you don't skip the voiced parts because they're reserved for critical moments you're already paying attention to as it is.

>>721145705
>limited by Paizo.
Paizo didn't limit them. They allowed them to do almost anything.

>>721145730
That's what you get for playing localization. Original is way better than English version, especially Rogue Trader

>bloats filesize
>bloats devtime
>bloats budget
>diminishes ability to add content
>ruins modding
voice acting sucks

>>721143012 (OP)
>There is no reason not to have fully voiced dialogue
Shit bloats up game size needlessly especially on a dialog heavy game as their games. Also fuck voice actors

There next two games will be fully voiced.

>>721145660
>and their dialogues are written worse than WEGs
lmao

>>721145826
have gamedevs lost the skilled art of basic audio optimization?
>nooo its gonna sound bad on my $4000 speaker system
normal people can't tell the difference

>>721145905
>have gamedevs lost the skilled art of basic optimization?
FTFY and yes. That is what happens when instead of building a skilled team of developers you have a rotating door of outsourced Indians

>>721145789
then you get retards complaining why ALL the scenes aren't voiced and how it "takes them out of the game". basically, casuals were never meant for rpgs.

>>721145789
I mean thats also how JRPGs have been doing it since FFX

>>721145807
>Original is way better than English version
What are you talking about? Dialogues in Russian are probably the worst dialogues I've seen. Almost every single line feels like a preliminary version.

>>721146219
RABOTA?

>>721145789
based coltaine pic

>>721145789
Correct. Replaying BG2 right now and its like a breath of fresh air remembering how good we used to have it.

>>721145807
>>721146219
I've always wondered this. People complain about dub and localization for jap games all the time but I almost never hear anyone bring up Witcher's Polish version or Owlcat's Russian versions.

>>721143012 (OP)
i dont mind, keeps the file size down and most of the time im reading much faster than the VA so i skip most of it anyway

>>721146573
Slavic games usually have terrible English translations.
Probably the most interesting example is the original Stalker trilogy where half of the things are simply wrong because the translation is based on the beta version of the game. And recent remastered versions make it worse and instead of fixing the translation.

>>721145807
>40k in russian
lmfao

>>721146573
>but I almost never hear anyone bring up Witcher's Polish version or Owlcat's Russian versions.
Russian Kingmaker is average at best.
Russian WotR is a disaster. I think English version is better because I can read it without physical pain at least.

>>721146573
>Witcher's Polish version
pretty much unanimously agreed to be better than english. cdpr really tightened english performances for witcher 2 and 3.

It's funny how owlcat defenders try to act like the lack of voice acting is an artistic choice.

>>721147129
I doubt it. Those games didn't have a crazy budget to begin.

So we got any dates for those alphas and betas? Surely they'll at least release dark heresy by the end of the year?

>>721146573
I'd still pick polish for witcher, but you can tell that 2-3 were designed for an international audience from the start and had good VA while 1 was pretty awkwardly translated and just doesn't work as well.
W1 in general is kinda weird in a lot of ways.

>>721147672
You will get an alpha by end of the year with q4 2026 release date.
Source: I went to Cyprus for vacation

>>721147129
Games don't have infinite budgets. Every dollar spent on it could've been spent on something else, and for the most part it should be.
Even if they are successful and have more money to make future games, they should still put that money towards things other than voice acting.
The above statements have nothing to do with owlcat.

>>721147750
>Source: I went to Cyprus for vacation
seen many owlcat devs there?

>>721147778
I felt vibes

>>721147763
Problem is industry seems to have learned one good and one bad lesson from Larian's success. Turn-based started coming back and retroactively get added to already released games, but now devs also think CRPGs need to have a fuckton of VA because Larian did it.

>>721144654
Or hell made a Warhammer Fantasy game

>>721147839
>but now devs also think CRPGs need to have a fuckton of VA because Larian did it.
Which is in itself ironic because Larian has always done that with their shit. But just because one of their games was a major hit everyone now thinks it's the standard.

>>721147992
WFRP aka Warhammer Fantasy RPG line would actually be a horrendous choice for a CRPG because combat is so lethal you want to avoid it or treat it as last resort. It would be a HORRIBLE Owlcat pick of all devs considering their love for trash encounters.

>>721148085
Like that matters. A true to spirit 40k adaptation would also be lethal and going through expendables, especially for Dark Heresy.
Owlcat Fanatsy game would have your group go through Nigger Elves, Ratshits,Greenskins and Mancows no problem

>>721148085
Or, or hear me out. It could be the absolute most intense risk/reward CRPG ever fucking made.

>>721148180
played age of decadence? depending on your career it's basically like that. sure, it's neat if you're a hedge knight or something, but good luck with your party comprised of a rat-catcher, grave digger and beggar because those were careers your players randomly rolled.

>>721146573
>Witcher's Polish version
As much as I liked Geralt's VA, the Polish version is unquestionably better. Aside from that, I would change it to Japanese for the Ciri sections because I love Miyuki Sawashiro's voice.

>>721143012 (OP)
I learned to read at a young age so I don't give a fuck about voice acting. Outside of a few good performances, a lot of voice acting is annoying because I finish reading the subtitles very quickly and get bored waiting for the actors to get around to finishing their lines.
If you need help learning, try getting a library card from your local library and start reading at least a book a week

>>721144654
>tfw no vidya for Legacy of Fire, Reign of Winter, or Iron Gods
feels bad man

Owlcat havent made a single game with even serviceable combat, let these russians retards get their shit together before they try and add more to their shit games

>>721148935
I can't tell if turn-based improved two pathfinder games or just exposed how trash there is in them.

>>721149048
both. flexibility to choose is the best of both worlds.

>>721143012 (OP)
>Fully voiced dialogue
Nobody did fully voiced dialogue on a large-sized CRPG before Larian.
Dragon Age Origins had full voice, but they drastically scaled down the size of the game to do it.
The had to retroactively make Pillars of Eternity 2 fully voiced in response to Divinity: Original Sin 2 being fully voiced and so successful as a CRPG.

So it's a relatively new development in CRPGs, and a risk whether the game will be successful enough to justify paying for that much VA work (full sized CRPGs have far more dialogue than other video games typically)

>>721143012 (OP)
they literally said all their games will be fully voiced going forward like 2-3 months ago

>>721143012 (OP)
Just voice act the characters in your head, what's wrong with you?

>>721145467
boss baby.jpg

>>721143162
Visual media faggot, if they want to focus on le story then they should fuck off and write books

>>721151823
They all sound gay when I do that...

>>721149048
Those games were designed as RTwP and turn-based combat in them is atrocious

>>721151747
the thing is that poe2 failed despite having full va, so clearly they barked up the wrong tree.

>>721151945
Anon...

>>721151945
just mouthwash the dick out of your mouth next time.

>>721151747
>Divinity: Original Sin 2 being fully voiced
I cant remember a single line

>>721143012 (OP)
Fully voicing a game like that is a bad idea imo

You necesserily prioritize once every like of dialogue has an attached cost of voice acting hours, so that means a shorter game with fewer lines about things u related to the main story.

For all the many many failings of their previous games, there was always at least a decently written novel in there inbetween the sometimes infuriating gameplay, now the infuristing gamrplay to decent novel ratio will be bigger

>full voice acting forces writers to keep their scripts brief and to the point
>full voice acting usually means I have to sit through a long ass GTA cutscene instead of just reading their dialogue and imagining how things went

I'm still not sure about how to feel.

>>721153356
like shit is constantly being dumbed down for the console audience? if their new mass effect game is successful they will never make another pc game.

>>721153156
KEEPING IT TOGETHER, BREE?

>>721153508
shrug, doesn't ring any bells

>>721144654
Progressive requirements probably got too heavy
>>721145214
But maybe also this, 2e isn't a tweak it's a totally different system

>>721153156
>smells worse over here than a dozen eggs dropped in a vat of vinegar
What was her problem?

>>721153508
>>721153619
for me, its the random cackles your character would do when you get a bunch of kills in a row

>>721143012 (OP)
I own all of their games but their writing never seemd good enough for me - I feel that it always lacks something (and it is't voice acting)

That's probably due to the fact that while game mechanics (mathematical part of TTRPG) can be translated into a form of a videogame, GM that smoothes the edges of a plot to fit all kinds of MCs that owlcat games allow you to make cannot be replicated (yet) - hence lack of reactivity in kingmaker and wrath. In trader they just assumed that your character will probably be the fat bastard noble one because he's funny and ran with it.

>>721154870
in my opinion, the problem with their writing is that its quite rough and bland. lots of lines and scenes feel like first drafts where just the basics are penned down and that never got edited afterwards

>>721154870
Wrath has a lot of reactivity it just tends to pan out later. Like choices in act 1 showing up again in Iz
Kingmakers reactivity is buried in the kingdom management which is easy to overlook and doesnt feel substantial

>>721146740
What the FUCK is it with Polski games having, bar none, the WORST English localizations on earth? The new Robocop Rogue City expansion was without exaggeration completely incoherent, with dialog that was complete gibberish. Inexcusable for an iconic AMERICAN movie franchise especially one with a ton of iconic lines.

>>721144654
fagfinder is one of the most boring settings I've ever played. Just a cheap knock off forgotten realms.

VAs are dogshit, better to let the player imagine the correct voice in their head.

Until Owlcat lets me romance a Dwarf/Halfling/Gnome lass they will be cucked and gay.

>>721155052
yeah, also that too
it's like they try to write "classic fantasy" with globohobo elements but people who play their games probably have seen all that and "modern embellishments" don't really fit with the "classic fantasy" they were going for. They need to read Bakker or some other modern fantasy which isn't young adult porn for women or Sanderson

>>721155078
Game still barely gives a shit as to if your character is a half vampire or some other chernobyl mutant which wouldd be very weird to average fantasy yokel. and your character doesn't give a shit about that too, which is weird considering them preambules that each race has But that's the problem of a genre.

>>721143012 (OP)
I worked on multiple games that were fully voiced. I have no idea what the finances were like, but it tended to cause huge problems for development. Its like text localization on steroids. Recording everything takes forever and is difficult to get lines re-recorded, so once its done it becomes hell to try to make necessary fixes and changes to the game if they might even be tangentially related to some dialog line.

THIS. SO MUCH THIS. PAY US PAY US YOU FVCKING CHUDCELS

>>721155440
The setting doesnt give a shit if you're a dhampir or anything
Half breed children also dont even need to be the product of sex with a monster, it could be as simple as your great grandfather made a deal with a devil now way down the line you're born with horns

>>721156939
>The setting doesnt give a shit if you're a dhampir or anything
That's very weird and shouldn't be so

>>721155440
>Bakker
shut the fuck up faggot and shut the fuck up in /sffg/ spamming this shit too

>>721157060
Thats standard fantasy slop for like 30 years now
People want to be sephiroth or illidan without the humans of the setting bringing out pitchforks
I cant think of any remotely mainstream modern setting where race matters

>>721155440
idrc about progressive ideas in fantasy settings if they are executed well
my main problem with golarion/owlcat games is they're visual design is very lacking. the world of wotr felt very uninspiring to exist in. and even rogue trader felt too toy-like for me. their games need to have some sort of character to them art wise, and i dont think the team is prioritizing that. like what with those cartoon network style animated trailers that rogue trader and dark heresy got? that didn't come through in the actual game at all.

>>721143012 (OP)
They're literally releasing two games with full VA retard

>>721144654
For what? To sell less copies?

>>721144131
>it's supposed to be more tightly written
For Owlfags having every NPC dump the bible on you is automatically good writing

>>721157060
The setting does, the game doesn't, because the game barely has any reactivity outside of your mythic path choice.

>>721161881
The setting does not, golarian is full of freakshit

>>721143012 (OP)
Because who wants to listen to Matt Mercer doing Matt Mercer yet again?

>>721162785
It's literally a plotpoint that tieflings are discriminated because they look like demons in demonland. Or you find the dhampyr bartender you can ask him if he's a vampire because of how weird he looks

I tried playing Pathfinder, but it's too confusing. Make your games simple like FO1.

>>721163453
>game literally plays itself
>only buttons you have to press is adding buffs
>too confusing

>>721143012 (OP)
Voice acting is expensive which by default move funds from other content. I rather have no voice acting over having game cut short by 10-30 hours of gameplay.

>>721163667
I know it's easy. I just don't like all the confusing menus and options.

>>721163918
Less is more, Owlcat games are way too fucking long, especially once they start adding DLC

>>721143012 (OP)
Because everyone reads faster than they talk, so you end up skipping 70% of their voiced lines.

>>721165961
And yet most people still want full voice acting, and Owlcat is giving it to them

I've been playing Rogue Trader but I'm retarded. I didn't understand how navigation worked and also wanted to explore everything in act 2, so I just brute forced passages to every single system one by one. Now I'm out of points and getting anywhere makes me go through a bunch of annoying fights.

>>721168904
You can farm points by traveling through dangerous areas
or better yet boot up toybox and give yourself as many points as you want

>>721143012 (OP)
They are going the way every studio that makes good games goes after a while but at hyper speed.

>Make good games
>Gain a repuation
>Get the nerdy ttrpg audience on board
>Think they can grab the "casual" audience
We are here
>Ruin everything they made and destroy all good will with fans they originally had.

It was nice while it lasted.

>>721163453
Pathfinder's entire thing is being a gigantic clusterfuck of everything even tangentially related to 3.5e DnD in both settings and mechanics mashed up in one fantasy world, if they wanted to strip it down they should have just done their own custom RPG system.

>>721144654
>>721145385

Paizo is dropping 1e because of the OGL scare. Owlcat knows 2e is boring over balanced 0 fun dogshit and pretty much takes away everything normal people love about ttrpgs so we will never get a fun fantasy crpg from them again.

>>721169167
>or better yet boot up toybox and give yourself as many points as you want
This. I love Owlcat. When they give me gold I am happy and when they give me shit I promptly mod it out.

>>721169830
>Owlcat knows 2e is boring
I don't know why anti-2efags keep repeating this. It's just like the "Owlcat blamed Paizo for Amiri's lack of romance" rumor, they never said that

>>721143012 (OP)
Tim Cains Faggy ass what right about voiced dialogue. It brings gave development which is already slow as fuck to a crawl because any actual interesting change or decisions to a dialogue branch now has to go all the way to the top because then you have to bring back in voice actors and pay them more so it ultimately is awful for any rpg. The only saving grace was actually embracing ai voice but that's pretty much a taboo in the industry right now.

>>721170293
Because it is fucking horrible. Have you actually played it. Every classes damage has been homogenized down to the numbers so you all feel like you are playing the same exact thing but with different hoops. It quickly turns into doing the exact same turn over and over again with little to no diversity because there is always a optimal use of your 3 turns.

I love how you think there are ant-2e fags when those same people are the actual people who have had to suffer through this shit sytem for any extent of time. I bet you love D&D 4e too faggot.

>>721170702
I don't care about what you think, I care about his false rumor

>>721170814
It's not a rumor when everyone feels that what about 2e. There is a reason their sales are shit compared to the 1e days.

>>721165739
>Less is more,
Give me 95% of your money and property right now, or you a hypocryte.

>>721165739
Fags like this are the reason rpgs are going to shit. Im sure you are one step away from a "Dad Gamer" post about how you work a full time job or have a family so games need to be shorter and easier for your dumb ass.

>>721172059
RT is shorter than WotR and it's the better game, cope
DH will be shorter than both and will be better than both, cope

>>721144060
it actually elevates it for me, they got a good main narrator (sounds a couple degrees off Bastion's incredible narrator) and it kinda helps the characters come alive when their accents and inflections don't perfectly match the text

>>721143331
They have 450 employees.
Bethesda had ~100 when they made Skyrim.
They are a massive gaming company for the current standards, unless 90% of employees do nothing.

>>721172131
>RT is better than WotR
I disagree with that anon.
>DH will be better than RT
I don't like playing as a mook.

>>721143012 (OP)
I can only thing of this garbage when I read their name

>>721144131
>"Hmm, xenos, gotta be.." *4 paragraphs of superfluous dogshit*
Why do redditors write like this? The reason other games do full voice acting is because they keep shit concise and tight. You don't need that much text in 2025 where you have the resources to show what is happening visually.

>>721173335
Are you retarded? That's what Pathfinder and Rogue Trader do, that screenshot doesn't have that much dialogue. Retards like you is why we have fart sniffers that unironically think PoE's bible dumps are okay

>>721171043
>There's a reason sales are shit
Yeah. The reason is nobody fucking cares about updated P&P RPG rules. You can find them online for free if you REALLY wanted to waste yours and your group's time. Or you know, you can just continue playing 1E.

>>721151885
>Visual media faggot
and yet you are concerned with the audio presentation of the written text
very interesting