Thread 721160214

Wow... really makes you think...

>>721160214 (OP)
>>>/vr/

>>721160214 (OP)
>scarcity is man-made

>>721160214 (OP)
>Grug have shiny rock but like Zug shiny rock
>Grug kill Zug for shiny rock
>Grug now have 2 shiny rock

DEEP

>>721160214 (OP)
That quote doesn't even fit her personality.

>>721160214 (OP)
These fake quotes are always insane because FFT is already an incredibly political tale. All of them even come from Chapter 1, when the game is at its most war-focused and less about demon hunting. Who the fuck thinks they can get away with this shit? Why would you even bother?

Exchange the word poverty for inceldom, and see the rate of approval skyrocket

>>721160339
Poverty is not scarcity.

>>721160632
It is though.

>>721160530
This is an actual in-game quote btw

>>721160530
i'm starting to think they were done as a way to call out fake fans because most of them (including OP's) feature characters that aren't in the game

>>721160898
I like that quote because it at least fits his personality. I could see him saying that.

>>721160214 (OP)
>japanese surface level commentary
im sure there are some actually wise japs but it seems like most of them are so superficial.

>>721160898
>i'm starting to think they were done as a way to call out fake fans
I doubt it. Commies like to inject their politics everywhere.

I don't really care for FFT.

>>721160530
I saw Matsuno talking about one and he said it sounds like something he'd write lol. I think it was that one about fines and laws not existing for the rich.

>>721160214 (OP)
Juat kill the rich minority that is exploiting everyone else

>>721160214 (OP)
I strongly dislike the upcoming remaster, butight buy anyway, as there are no tactics game to play.

>>721160530
Funny enough, Matsuno loves those fake quotes.
https://x.com/YasumiMatsuno/status/1931205193934545292

>>721164121
kek, now imagine the God of war dude agreeing with the cuck memes

>>721160214 (OP)
I'm disappointed that the gameplay mechanics of the remake seem to essentially be 1:1, I've always hated how you could never upgrade the starting stages of monsters into stronger versions, like having Boco go from Yellow > Black > Red

>>721160784
>>721160339
Poverty isnt about scarcity but wealth distribution, among other things. Scaricity is an economic principle and yet we have billionares

>>721160214 (OP)
he never said it
regarding the quote, there's nothing "natural" about society in the first place so it a moot point

>>721164121
fines scale with income in finland, so a rich guy might pay millions for a speed ticket.

damn it feels so smug to be better than everyone else

>>721160410
>Political power granted to a communist woman
>Country woefully unprepared for an invasion a year later
Intelligent Systems, you cant be this based

>>721160882
I don't believe it

>>721164709
Capitalism is the economy of scarcity, how to distribute finite resources among more people than there are resources for. Wealth is how capitalism distributes these resources, money is a representation of how much someone contributes to the economy and ergo how many resources they deserve. If something was endlessly abundant it would be free, like air.

>>721165362
>among more people than there are resources for.
But there aren't. You have a handful that hoard all the resources and distribute nothing to anyone.
>If something was endlessly abundant it would be free, like air.
And yet your government keeps printing fiat currency and continues on with the debt economy and still refuses to share that money that it makes out of thin air. How odd.

>>721165738
Your grasp of economic concepts is that of a small child's.

>>721165738
My question is what exactly is the job of the government. Flint, MI's public water was dirt brown for 5 years. 5 years politicians played ping pong with who's responsibility it was too fix it. 10 years until Flint's pipes were replaced. When it was brought to the federal government, they said "well it's the State's problem." When it was brought to the State, "well it's the governor's problem." As all of this was going down, anyone who couldn't pay for bottled water was treated to water enriched with literal shit.

Same deal with the Winter Blast in Texas. A massive blizzard shut down half the state. The Mayor told residents "only the strong will survive" and fucked off. At what point does the higher level of authority step it to tell their constituents that they're fucking up and to get their shit together?

>>721160530
>Who the fuck thinks they can get away with this shit? Why would you even bother?
Because lying doesn't cause physical pain.

>>721160214 (OP)
poverty comes from the people who are strong subjugating the weak
there will always be poverty because some people are inevitably going to be lesser and they can't do anything to get out of it
there can be empathy but it'll only go so far, some people are just useless

>>721166529
Never? America is run by corporate lobbies. It has nothing to do with what benefits or harms normal people.

>>721163559
Has worked how often in recorded history so far?

>>721166832
Cuba

>>721166832
he means take out his employer's enemies for them so they can grab more power

>>721163926
It's a known fact that plenty of scenes were recorded months later

>>721166701
The goal should be to create safety nets for the people who can use them. 2 people lose their jobs. 1 is on a constant mad dash to find other employment so he can get back into the workforce and contribute to the economy. The other just sits around and does nothing. Both shouldn't be treated the same

>>721166529
Americans are too fat, stupid, and easily distracted by social engineering. You'll vote tyrants into office because of your fear of brown people.

>>721164523
They are a different breed, aren't they? AFAIK monsters fall of fast after midgame, similar to tactics ogre. Latest after the relics start dropping, monsters are pointless, with the exception of monsters buffed with charms. They are monsters alright.

>>721166529
Democracy is the government of the people. If you elect incompetent morons and never hold them accountable this is what you get.

>>721163559
You cannot since the entire world economy and banks literally bend the knee to the rich overlords and the system will break without them

>>721166862
Ah, the Cuban millionaires that live in new York and while in Cuba live in buildings made by white people? How's the life in Cuba? Everyone rich and healthy?

>>721166862
So, zero?

>>721163502
Is that AI generated? FFT doesn't have elves or demi-humans in it, that's what makes it based

>>721166867
Apparently so

>>721165362
>money is a representation of how much someone contributes to the economy
kek

>>721167005
Then the system is due to collapse under it's own hubris. The rich elite is getting less intelligent by the day.

>>721160214 (OP)
>>721160339
He's actually right, no one is "poor" until another man is "rich". If a man popped into existence in the forest those words would have no meaning nor would he conceive such a thing. And their definitions, what is categorized as rich and poor, changes as men becoming increasingly wealthy. Everything about it is man made. Poverty and wealth are not dimensions of scarcity. Kings were "rich" when they had far less than the luxuries you enjoy today.

And from there the next statement is tepid and obvious. Most of politics is convincing men that other men have their stuff.

>>721160214 (OP)
How's this for a redpill: it costs less than a cent to make a burger, but it sells for between one and ten dollars depending on where you get it. Every electonic, similarly, would be worth dollars if its cost was the plastic and silicon and machine effort to make and distribute it. Water can be infinitely purified at no cost yet has a cost, and collecting rainwater is illegal.
There's more houses than there are people in the US and yet >1% of the populace is homeless. And don't get me started on nuclear power solving the energy crisis.
The fact of the matter is that the price of literally everything is completely arbitrary, one step above throwing darts at a board. Every human on the planet could easily live an upper-middle class life. But nothing can have value if not for scarcity, and an upper class cannot be an upper class without the impoverished to contrast it.
Being upper class isn't "winning" enough, they need to win harder. And that's the way the world is.

>>721167175
yeah, he seems to have missed that the people with the most money don't like to pay taxes and they use that money to do bad things
but whatever

>>721160214 (OP)
Poverty is the default state of the world, you dumb bitch.

>>721165362
>how to distribute finite resources among more people than there are resources for

This is all economic systems btw, unless you mean star trek

>>721166991
Most regular working class people don't even know what GDP even is. They're too busy trying to keep the lights on next month. When they go out and vote, they're voting for the guy they think will at least buy them dinner before they fuck them in the ass. Ask all the black people that voted for Obama thinking he was going to save them and all the white people who voted for Trump thinking he was going to save them.

>>721160339
Lots of houses sit empty and food goes to waste unsold, while homeless or hungry people are mere miles away.

>>721167323
call me a doomer but I'm pretty sure this whole ai thing is gonna lead to a culling of populations around the world at some point when they see they don't need as many people around anymore
governments and corporations will see people as a drain on resources and they'll see that smaller populations lead to lower crime and potential uprisings being stopped
the alternative is that people get money and resources for free indefinitely
I don't see people who clearly have no morals doing that for very long

>>721160214 (OP)
Back then Square wasn't part of the cuck troop called Enix. Remember when Final Fantasy 7 was a story reflecting real life with terrorists and nuclear power and oil and environmental degredation and corporate driven global hegemony and militarization.

>>721160898
The fuck are you talking about?

>>721165232
Habeeb it

>>721160242
you're retarded and should go back to twitter

What's the best version of FFT? Never played it before.

>>721168067
Script psx
Balance war of the lions

>>721167241
Poverty as we understand it today is not proportional to riches but access to what are considered basic needs. Otherwise, it would be childish to complain about poverty when poverty to you means "I can't buy a brand new Porsche like the rich can". Obviously what is a basic need and the general quality of life people expect as a baseline has risen as technology and healthcare have progressed so today's definition of poverty cannot be overlaid 1:1 into societies from 1000 years ago. Still, there's some commonalities, like you wouldn't say someone literally starving to death is not poor regardless of when and where was he living. Also consider that someone starving to death is not necessarily a man-made occurrence, if a plague of locusts eats all your crops that's just shit that happens, we can see this play out in nature all the time where starvation is a constant threat and a way to keep population numbers in check. Ergo, poverty at its basest is not man-made.

>>721168067
War of the Lions for PSP with the Slowdown Removal patch
https://retrogametalk.com/repository/psp/final-fantasy-tactics-the-war-of-the-lions-slowdown-removal-patched/

Between threads like these and the incoming CHRUCH IS LE BAD when the remake actually drops (the actual contextual reason is literal demons have hijacked positions of power), I realize that trying to discuss FFT in the near future is a lost cause.

>>721167323
>This is all economic systems btw
Not really, the reason communism has never been "properly done" is precisely that the communist utopia socialists dream about is built on the implicit assumption that everything is abundant enough to be effectively infinite. That's the only way you're gonna have a society where everyone does what they want when they want and they all still get food put on their tables somehow when exactly 0 people ever volunteer to be the ones doing backbreaking work sunrise to sunset to keep everyone fed. Hence why in practice communism leads to severe food shortages and forced labor in the fields for everyone.

>>721168143
>healthcare
That's actually a primary issue that I don't understand. What is "needed" for life is the lowest tiers of the Maslow's diagram. Air, water, food, protection from exposure, sleep. Reproduction is needed for society but not personal survival. That's, quite literally, it.
Medicine is expensive to create, it shouldn't be treated as a right or expectation.
>tell that to someone suffering from a heart problem!
If they can't afford it, they can't afford it. They can die and stop using as many resources.

>>721168202
>dropping >50% of frames is better than just running the perfect PSX version

>>721168319
>(the actual contextual reason is literal demons have hijacked positions of power)
Yes, but also isn't Saint Ajora, the central figure of the religion, basically an evil analogue of Jesus? The church wasn't just infiltrated, it was worshipping a demon from the start if I remember correctly

>>721168319
What is there left to discuss?

>>721165362
Regulated capitalism provides a motivation for the extraction of resources which might otherwise go ignored due to the difficulty of obtaining them. This includes intellectual resources, as well.
It's not ideal, but it's the best we have. Tankies don't understand that lack of financial motive stifles innovation, Libertards don't understand the concept of negative externalities. History has basically been a tug-of-war between these two camps that has naturally resulted in the current status quo simply because it is the most expedient means by which civilization can operate. Does that mean it is the best means, or even an objectively good one? Of course not, but cultural inertia means that any attempt to implement a radically different paradigm would result in massive strife, the cost of which would be measured in blood, brutality, and starvation.
And so, we continue to march in lockstep towards the cliff.

Poverty is a choice. My parents told me not to be poor and I listened and today im not poor and own a house

>>721168684
How's the weather in Canada? That line of thinking only makes sense in a scenario where resources are scarce. The problem we keep running into is that we have an abundance of resources that seems impossible to access by people who spend their entire lives working. This isn't me advocating for the drunk at the 7- Eleven. This is the 50 year old man who put in 35 years at the plant yet has to give up a kidney for medication. Or because he got a bad roll on a generic disorder.

>>721167723
Is scarcity man-made if surplus is man-made? Would less people be homeless and hungry if capitalism didn't exist and we were all just small groups of people roaming about in the wilderness?

>>721168067
I would just play the original first. The translation is flawed in parts but imo it's 1000% better than the War of the Lions retranslation, which tried way too hard to sound wordy and olde english.
A lot of people like it, and you might end up being one of them, but the script alterations change the tone a lot in some scenes, so I would recommend starting with the original game.

>>721167119
>Is that AI generated?
what do you think? part of her hair and eyes fade into nothing

>>721168983
Idk about Canada, I'm a Burger.
What resources are infinite? In your example of a 50 year old man, he has, at best, 10 years of good work left, another 10 of middling work and then he's effectively useless. It would be an astronomical cost to keep him alive for little to no return.

>>721167119
yeah

>>721169035
It at least needs to be touched up. If I hunt a deer, I eat the deer. That's fair. If I hunt so much deer that I can exchange it for other resources, that's fair. They've contracted me to do their hunting in exchange for something else. If I have so much deer and other resources that I can subcontract my work to someone else while I just distribute it out to those who need it, still fair. And I think the advocation for capitalism stops here. But what happens when me and my friends have hunted every deer? And then we've set it up so the deer can only breed in my backyard. And then we say it's against the rules for you to hunt your own deer unless you go through me to get a license where I tell you how much deer you can hunt. And because everyone needs deer to live, they must listen to what I say. And for an extra notch of evil, because I'm a good dad, I give my empire to my son who has never hunted a single deer in his life. And because he doesn't know what scarcity even is, he can raise the price on deer as much as he wants because all the guys I subcontracted will protect his interests.

You don't see how that might lead to problems?

>>721168829
>Tankies don't understand that lack of financial motive stifles innovation
Marx’s entire argument was that the industrial revolution allowed for an abundance of resources that would allow a society to no longer require continuous change to keep up with environmental conditions. He effectively does acknowledge that capitalism allows for quicker innovation, but he argues that it isn’t necessary if we already have the means for a utopian system. Marx also certainly wasn’t the only one who criticized the destructive decadence that seems to be the other side of the coin of innovation.
And maybe he was right about the industrial revolution. It seems that most socialist dictatorships don’t fail because they just ran out of shit to eat, they fail because the government is incompetent and malicious.

>>721169035
Hunter-gatherers were fairly well-fed, actually. Compared to stationary society there were fewer safety nets and less day-to-day stability but starvation wasn't an issue compared to sustenance farming.
Really the whole argument of "humans naked in the wild with no resources or tools would starve!" is silly in these types of hypotheticals because humans evolved to take advantage of advanced social structures and use tools. Living in and being supported by a society and working one specialized role in it is the natural state of humans, self-sufficiency is an abberation.
It's like saying a lone worker ant would never make it in the wild and therefore ants are a dead-end species.

>>721160898
>all humans

Wait where is the gladiator lizards or moogle gadgeter?

>>721169665
>And because everyone needs deer to live, they must listen to what I say.
And then someone comes up with "moose" and now you're forced to play ball.

>>721169875
KEEP A RESPECTFUL SILENCE WHEN YOU GAZE UPON THE REAL IVALICE

>>721169665
Just because unchecked end stage capitalism can lead to artificial scarcity doesn't mean that scarcity, and poverty, are fundamentally man-made problems.

>>721169238
Why the fuck psychopath shit is this? He's already invested in his society for 35 years. He's not getting a hand out. He earned it. And I never said infinite, I said they were in abundance. If he upheld his end of the social contract for the majority of his life, he deserves to be able to spend his remaining years in peace or at least security

>>721160898
>pink faggot on right, possibly a self insert but I'm not sure
>lighting is inconsistent
>yuna and tidus
>wiegraf's mouth is open for some fucking reason
I like the altered white mage sprite, is that supposed to be Garnet from FF9?

>>721170107
>deserves
Why does he deserve it? He agreed to a contract of X units of work for Y units of pay. That is all he is entitled to.

>>721164121
>no i didn't write it but i probably would
based beyond belief

>>721170016
Oh I was thinking of the gameboy advanced version they actually made three more on the DS!

>>721168684
Mazlows hierarchy has been disproven for years dude. It's not even pseudo science, it's just wrong and even the guy basically admitted yeah it's dogshit. I dunno why you're trying to larp as a mega sociopath or something but at least do your minimum diligence about it man, this is embarrassing.

>>721169875
They went extinct along with big cities and air ships. Ivalice went from like the golden age of Rome to the medieval dark ages

>>721170219
NTA, but I think you're missing the fact that some people work in good faith not just to earn X amount of money for themselves, but to contribute to society. It can absolutely be an injustice for someone to "be good" and "do the right thing" all their lives according to the implied social contract, only to left to languish by an uncaring world. And even if it's not an injustice, it should provoke some compassion.

>>721170342
I liked this better simply for the fact that the main character wasn't s whiny little bitch

>>721169742
'Necessary' is a meaningless word in the context of civilization, the nature of which is to expand.
It is, unfortunately, also in the nature of civilization to breed incompetence and malice, which just stems from the Tragedy of the Commons, which is the single most critical failure point, and one we still basically refuse to acknowledge as a species because it would force us to confront some very unwelcome truths about ourselves.
Any system which relies on cooperation between individuals who to benefit the group as a whole will inevitably be subverted by those with less oversight, i.e. those who hold positions of leadership. Perhaps not instantly, perhaps not even quickly, but the decay cannot be prevented unless those with power are regulated, the logic of which eats itself, because who watches the watchers?

Most political theories work pretty well until they actually encounter human nature. Regulated capitalism is the system which gels best with the worst parts of us and most effectively mitigates the potential damage of our atavistic instinctual behaviors, but even then, it isn't that good at those things.

>>721170342
>they actually made three more on the DS!
I was only aware of A2. I still resent Tactics Advance for being so different and depriving us of a proper FFT sequel, but if they made more than I knew about that's kind of interesting

I tried FFT many times but the first mission in that little town already pisses me off because the camera is awful and the buildings hide characters.

FFTA didnt have that issue.

>>721160214 (OP)
is there any auto-haste gear for males in the cash grab?

>>721169819
Idk there's african tribes still doing the whole hunter-gatherer thing and they aren't doing so hot. Living in a barren desert might have something to do with it but then that means success is linked to access to land with plentiful resources which not every hunter-gatherer group had. I really doubt starvation wasn't an issue at all for early humans, considering that it's one of the most basic issues for every other animal out there.

>>721170572
>Misanthropic bias

>>721170482
>They went extinct along with big cities and air ships.
This is still really fucking weird. I know the Japanese version of FFT had some text stuff that alluded to ancient societies with airships, but did it mention furry races? Because otherwise it all seems like a massive fucking retcon to try to jam FFT and FFTA/FFXII into the same world.
They're just way too different.

>>721170638
Actually the first GBA one was by an entirely different team that didn't work on the original just used the name that's why it's completely different from the ps1 version

Apparently they were working on an actual proper sequel to tactics but it fell through at the prototype stage from an unknown outsource developer

>"Human behavior is economic behavior. The particulars may vary, but competition for limited resources remains a constant. Need as well as greed have followed us to the stars, and the rewards of wealth still await those wise enough to recognize this deep thrumming of our common pulse."
>CEO Nwabudike Morgan. "The Centauri Monopoly".

>>721170742
>I tried FFT many times but the first mission in that little town already pisses me off because the camera is awful and the buildings hide characters.
FFT has an adjustable camera. You can spin it around at your leisure.

>>721160214 (OP)
Can't wait to buy this remasterpiece

>>721170219
Do you know why the pensions were instated in the first place? To defuse social unrest of workers and create loyalty to state. You'll get a magnitudes higher response if you try to remove them.

>>721171019
Im aware. Zoom is a thing too but its still annoying to handle to me.

>>721170869
FFT takes place eons after FFXII. There have been so many apocalypses between the two seperate ages that they have become basically different settings, though it is internally consistent.

All the non-Hume races of Ivalice died out in the interim because they were incapable of adapting to the changing times and only Humes (And Aegyl, to an extent) had the divine spark of innovation required to change the face of the world. The Occuria predicted all of this, which is why the Humes were kept artificially suppressed for thousands of years.

>>721168143
>Poverty as we understand it today is not proportional to riches but access to what are considered basic needs.

>Obviously what is a basic need and the general quality of life people expect as a baseline has risen as technology and healthcare have progressed so today's definition of poverty cannot be overlaid 1:1 into societies from 1000 years ago.

You're saying it's not proportional to riches then you say it changes with riches. In one train of thought you are agreeing with me and in the other you're contradicting yourself.

Yes I would say someone starving to death is poor, but it's still a man made construct and it's still a statement about his wealth relative to mine. It's like saying a naked man who has never seen or worn clothes is unfashionably dressed. He doesn't possess that concept naturally until he sees some men are better dressed than others.

The rest is you saying scarcity is not man-made and then using it as a synonym for poverty. I think this is just a semantic argument and we don't actually disagree.

>>721171097
Fair enough, anon. That's definitely a you issue, but I think you already know that.

>>721170572
Yeah, of course. That’s the tragedy of the human race. Many people argue that communism will fail because people won’t work without an incentive, but they’re fundamentally wrong. If you read honest reports of the soviet union, most sources point out that the common man and woman weren’t the system’s point of failure. If anything, those stories are proof enough that the average everyman is essentially well meaning, who cares for his neighbors and community alike. Unfortunately, it would appear that the small subset of people who aren’t so well meaning are the ones who seek out power. All things considered, the fall of socialist dictatorships tend to be more about the dictatorship part.
Concurrently, capitalism’s starting to show cracks itself. No political or economic system exists in a vacuum. Conditions decide their efficacy.

>>721171198
I understand that's the excuse they give, I just think it's a clumsy retcon because for some stupid reason they wanted to use Ivalice for FFTA/FFXII instead of making a new setting.
But I will rescind my criticism IF any of the archeological information in FFT alludes to furry races that died out, and the stupid judge shit.

>>721171326
All systems end up with power consolidating at the top.
The only cure for that is to break up monopolies or the system itself once it stagnates.

>>721160214 (OP)
It's true tho
You gather wealth to improve your life, but making sure it's defined as "yours" and no one else can get it is meant to control society.

>>721160339
>>scarcity is man-made
Can't have scarcity if everyone share whatever there is.

>>721160214 (OP)
Poverty and leftism walk hand in hand.
Poor people are most likely to vote for leftists because they depend on the social programs to survive, so it's of the best interest of the lefties to keep everyone in poverty.
For example in Brazil, there are endless small cities in places that there have no resources or ways to produce wealth being artificially kept by social programs, where everyone will vote left because the alternative is death.

>>721171523
Wealth is man-made, and most people need incentives to produce wealth.
Nothing is still nothing even if shared equally.

>>721171326
I think my biggest frustration is that if you point out the problems with capitalism, you must be a secret communist. Or you must have an entirely new economic infrastructure in your bank pocket. When you're just saying that you'd like to be certain that you won't be left destitute because of a single unfortunate event that may or may not have been in your control. Sorry that guy fractured your L4 in that car accident. Here's 1 insurance payment. Hope that can last you the rest of your life since work that doesn't leave you in seering pain just became scarce.

>>721160214 (OP)
>cringe of the cringions cringlation

>>721171326
>>721171495
People also fails to take into account how much humans can care about people outside their little circle, especially if there are billions of other people.

Hence the phrase: "The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of a million is a statistic"

If I snapped my fingers and magically gave everybody a free house, I wonder how things would change economically.

>immediate golden era where everybody is rich because nobody has the burden of a rent or mortgage
>THEY are going to want your money, they'll want you to be poor.
>All of a sudden, bread costs 10x more, electricity costs 10x more, cars cost 10x more
>"Wahhhh, I can't afford food anymore! Why do we live in a country where I need to work 40 hours a week just to eat?"
I have a feeling it would be like that.

>>721170497
Fascism isn't isn' the right answer idiot.

>>721171472
Eh, that's not really in the FFT story wheelhouse, is it?
FFXII has a lot of history and myth in it because it directly relates to the narrative and themes, while FFT is more of a contemporary political tale.
You can also handwave a lot of this away by saying 'Lucavi did it'. They get released from their jail in FFXII and the story never acknowledges the amount of suffering this would go on to cause. Vaan and co. let Not!Lucifer and her eleven disciples out of their cage, tell the only people with the power to put them back in to fuck off (which they do), and then die of old age, at which point they slip into the background of history and spend 10,000 years fucking everybody over and making the world worse.

Once again, the Occuria were OBJECTIVELY correct with everything they did.

>>721168753
Ajora was always a demon or at least willing sold his soul to Ultima for power, the church just changed the history to make him a Jesus analog.

>>721171804
I didn't say it was. I think you're overlooking a major element is all.

>>721170869
I mean ffts last stage is an airship graveyard

>>721171937
Yeah, that makes the church corrupt from the start in my book. It's a shame though, CHURCH BAD stories are kinda boring

>>721167247
>it costs less than a cent to make a burger
?????????????????
Are you mentally retarded?

>>721171495
Who breaks up the monopoly? Who stands in judgement of those at the top? Doesn't that in itself imply that they aren't at the top?

The answer, of course, is organised Religion. People intrinsically understand that those in power will inevitably be corrupted by power, and that this corruption will manifest as worsening conditions, and so they desire somebody who is able to control those higher powers and curb their worst excesses. But they don't want that highest power to be corruptible themselves, because that defeats the point, so they imagine that God is infallible and perfect, so that he might judge the kings who otherwise are accountable to nobody.

It's not like I'm saying anything new, or any conclusion that an average person wouldn't be able to come to if the ideas were laid out in front of them. Powerful groups become corrupt over time? Wow, look at Sherlock over here, right? But understanding without the power to change anything is just self-flagellation. Most people would rather not think about it.

>>721170869
>Ajora was born at a time when airships flew across the skies.

>>721172197
Depends, it just means the church was utilizing control over information only it had access to it, it's no different than how the King James Bible only translated relevant information that King James demanded would assist or was irrelevant to contradicting his "god given right to power" or how there's apocryphal stories about Jesus that the Catholic Church supposedly have.

So..
Is anyone here getting the remaster?

>>721171201
>You're saying it's not proportional to riches then you say it changes with riches.
It's not. The reason we all have running water when in societies of old that was a luxury not even kings could aspire to is not because we're wealthier than those kings, it's because technology has advanced enough that giving everyone running water is a cheap and easy thing to do. The kings of yore, even if they didn't have running water, still had heaps of gold and gemstones and palaces and monuments that are today worth more than you'll ever make in your life, so yes they were objectively wealthier than you even with all your modern day comforts.
>Yes I would say someone starving to death is poor, but it's still a man made construct
Yeah all language is a man made construct, that is absolutely irrelevant to the argument.
>The rest is you saying scarcity is not man-made and then using it as a synonym for poverty.
Poverty is lack of access to resources considered basic. If you lack access to resources it is because they are scarce to some degree.

>>721172545
I'll wait for a sale to decide on it.

>>721171868
I know FFT itself is quite self-contained, and logically a whole setting can contain a lot of crazy shit that isn't within the scope of any particular game.
But still, the stuff they added to Ivalice will always seem like a massively clumsy retcon to me. It's a combination of all the additions that weren't even alluded to in FFT AND the large tonal shift (in FFTA at least) AND them going tryhard olde english. If it was just one, it wouldn't seem so ill fitting.
Maybe I'm just autistic about it, because I liked the world and story of FFT so much. But I bet this wouldn't have happened if Square had stayed Square. They've been on a steady decline since the merger with Enix.

>>721171523
>Can't have scarcity if everyone share whatever there is.
That assumes there's always enough of everything for everyone, which is an absurd argument to make when there's plenty of examples of one-of-a-kind items out there.

>>721172545
I bought the Live A Live remake and enjoyed it, but god do I hate playing it on a Switch, regret getting early when it was only a timed exclusive, so probably it's not at the over inflated price I believe.

>>721171326
communism is an idea that works in your hippie head but doesnt work in practice, hundreds of millions of souls across history have paid the price proving your hubris wrong

>>721172545
What the FUCK was his problem.

>>721172140
I know, and I also remember airships being mentioned in some of the archeological finds. Not the Nu Mou/Viera etc though.
I'll accept Moogles though, since you can summon one.

>>721171660
Capitalism is like democracy, it sucks but nobody has come up with something better.

>>721160242
i would watch you choke or bleed out and would not do anything to help you, just laugh

>>721172720
Illiterate faggot.

>>721172497
I already acknowledged the airship stuff and that's not what I'm complaining about.

>>721172545
No, but thank you for posting the amazing Algus scene and not the shitty Argath scene

>>721172737
An egotistical idiot who got a big head after losing all his privilege his blood supposedly earned him.

>>721171326
>Concurrently, capitalism’s starting to show cracks itself.
Two more weeks.
It was fun to watch those commies down in Nepal get overthrown.

>>721172761
I mean dominant races have put similar races to extinction throught out the real world why not ivalice?

>>721172763
I’d argue that most economic political discourse in the US is based around the question of to what extent capitalism should be regulated.

>>721172737
Having massive cognitive dissonance because he was born noble and has all the worth of a commoner.

>>721172737
>What the FUCK was his problem.
I wish we got him a recurring villain instead of the Lucavi plot shift

>>721160214 (OP)
Tranny game

>>721172968
Anon, do you think all political change is done violently? Also, do you think all political change happens because a regime is infeasible? The Soviet Union was feasible up till the second it fell apart, but it still fell apart. The American public is obviously too domesticated to pull off a violent regime change, but with the way things are going, there may come a day when the American public somehow manages to come together and actually try to vote out the establishment. It won’t be today, and it won’t be tomorrow, but to think that such a day will never come is also unrealistic when conditions have been on a downward trend.

>>721160339
Billionaires pay no taxes. The obligation of 'funding the state' does not apply to the most rich and powerful.
So, yes. It is a political weapon. Taxation is treated as an obligation for the poor, and a punishment for the rich.
Your vote has no value because it isn't real.
You allow lobbying to take place while still claiming you have a democracy.
You do not. You have an Oligarchy of pedophile elites.

>>721172989
It's not strictly illogical, it's just a weird thing to bolt on to an existing setting that didn't have it. It feels less like a natural extension of FFT and more like they were trying to create a ~BRAND~, because why else would they do this "Ivalice Alliance" stuff instead of just making a new setting that fit better?
Fiction isn't real life, it's defined by a kind of consistency that is retained across various installments.

>>721173137
>Tranny game
You think you're being clever, but we know you are a tranny trying to claim it for your own.

>>721172737
>Man with inferiority complex due to his house getting stigmatized gains the tiniest ounce of power , becomes a bigger asshole than even dycedarg to compensate for it

>>721163559
Germany tried that in the 1930s.
Look how that worked out for them.

>>721174738
If they hadn't tried a two front war.

>>721170869
>>721171198
>>721173412
I really hate that they decided FFTA/12 and FFT were the same world.

Its like Brian Herbert's Dune slop, or Disney Star Wars. Stuff that shouldn't be considered canon or good by anyone.

Its a similar kind of thing with the attempt to tie 12 and 7 togather, because ohoho there's a kind named Shinra don't'chaknow, he has to be the founder of the Shinra Electric Company!

>>721175109
Well tactics advance 1 and 2 aren't in the same world but XII ans tactics are

>>721172578
>It's not. The reason we all have running water when in societies of old that was a luxury not even kings could aspire to is not because we're wealthier than those kings, it's because technology has advanced enough that giving everyone running water is a cheap and easy thing to do.

This doesn't contradict my argument. What is and isn't poverty changes with relative wealth, wealth usually increases in the future compared to the past with technology.

>The kings of yore, even if they didn't have running water, still had heaps of gold and gemstones and palaces and monuments that are today worth more than you'll ever make in your life, so yes they were objectively wealthier than you even with all your modern day comforts.

No not objectively, but let me be very specific. The scarcity that influences what men believe to be valuable is objective, because the king can't find running water and I can't find gemstones, but the value itself is subjective and changing. A king of yore would trade gemstones and palaces to me for running water. If gemstones and palaces were objectively more valuable we'd both agree they were more valuable and no trade would take place. Trade itself depends on value being subjective and different from person to person.

>Yeah all language is a man made construct, that is absolutely irrelevant to the argument.

Well now I'm starting to think this is not semantic and you're using different concepts than me. Scarcity is just a matter of fact economic description that there's a finite quantity of something in demand. You can have more or less scarcity based on the quantity of something. But poverty is a relative concept that goes up or down not necessarily based on scarcity, but particularly inequality in the possession of those scarce resources. If you want to hear a really stark difference between the two, we can say animals compete for scarce resources, but to say an animal lives in poverty is raping the english language.

>>721172545
She should have lived to see her brother literally become monsters before her eyes

>>721167735
Is that Alice?
My dear little girl Alice?

The epsers and lucavi are the beings

>>721175583
Damn I didnt remember the original translation being this lanky. Still better than the old English one

>>721175841
Yeah, and they're all fallen angels. Ultima is literally a Lucifer analogue.
It's interesting though, because all of them have a counterpart designed to balance them, but Ultima alone is her own counterpart - She has the angelic aspect, representing spirituality, but she also has the mechanical aspect in her model, representing the march of civilization. The irony being that her spiritual aspect is explicitly the evil aspect and the only aspect we ever see, which has pretty clear parallels in the narrative of FFT.

>>721175841
>>721176405
It's my headcanon that Ivalice has a zombie problem because Zalera was responsible for the dead. But when they rebelled, there was no one to take the dead away from the world of the living. So they just keep coming back as zombies until their bodies are ground to dust

>>721175583
When was this?

>>721177009
>zombies

Makes sense when you remember what happened in vagrant story & Lea Mont

>>721175841
I thought it was pretty cool how some of them were based on final bosses from previous games

>>721175940
The War of the Lions TL or bust, no matter what anyone says about any part of it.

>>721167735
That or this

>>721164709
> Poverty isnt about scarcity but wealth distribution
Having less than someone else doesn’t make you impoverished. Scarcity does

>>721177009
Kinda makes sense actually. Ivalice is a broken cosmology that was supposed to be paradise, but twelve out of the 23 beings responsible for keeping it that way rebelled against their creators and were sealed into glyphs. Some of them didn't even get a choice in the matter. Like, Cuchulainn was supposed to be responsible for absorbing and digesting the concept of Evil, but was quite literally not up for the task, found that there was too much Evil for him to possibly drink, and ended up soaking in it for long enough to become corrupted by it. Belias was never given a purpose at all because he was explicitly built wrong as a joke.

Are there games on Snoy station similiar to fft that aren't complete shite?

>>721177009
The underworld also doesn't have a ruler because Mateus was sealed away.
You could say that's why ghosts and reapers exist as monsters.

>>721160784
if it is about scarcity it's about scarcity of motivation
no one does anything for free

>>721177781
Was it the Occuria that created them?

>>721178459
Yeah, and the Occuria are only gods in the sense that they're a precursor civilization which abandoned their mortal forms and now sit in magic space stations looking down at the world. They take a non-intervention policy because the Scions of Darkness are what happened the last time they tried to intervene.

>>721175312
>What is and isn't poverty changes with relative wealth
Different countries with vastly different levels of wealth still have very similar definitions of poverty.
>No not objectively
Yes yes objectively, because your running water is objectively worth very little today whereas the king's palaces and riches are still objectively worth a lot. Time travel is irrelevant to the argument, yes I understand the point of anachronistic thing being worth a lot but it ignores the crucial part of why it would be worth a lot by using magic.
>Scarcity is just a matter of fact economic description
Scarcity is a fundamental law of physics, everything exists in limited quantities.
>But poverty is a relative concept that goes up or down not necessarily based on scarcity, but particularly inequality in the possession of those scarce resources
But the inequality in the possession of scarce resources happens because they are scarce?

>>721167875
TWINKIE HOUSE!

>>721177762
No that's exactly how it works. You're confused because increased scarcity / reduced abundance could tip the relative scale of inequality and make the poor poorer compared to the rich, or the inverse.

Why do we consider indigenous tribes that live in huts poor? because humans with more wealth exist now. Scarcity on planet earth went down, abundance went up, but now people that live in huts are poor despite their situation and scarcity of natural resources not changing at all.

Why would indigenous tribesman not consider a single mom struggling to pay the bills poor? She lives in a modern dwelling, has running water, electricity, heat, air conditioning, refrigeration, goes to the grocery store, and she doesn't need a male hunter and doesn't need to grow cops or forage to feed her children.

>>721179830
> Why would indigenous tribesman not consider a single mom struggling to pay the bills poor? She lives in a modern dwelling, has running water, electricity, heat, air conditioning, refrigeration, goes to the grocery store, and she doesn't need a male hunter and doesn't need to grow cops or forage to feed her children.
Those things are scarce

>>721175109
>>721175251
I think what happened is they made FFTA as a separate setting and then some idiot at the company just decided they HAD to be pulled together into the same world for some stupid reason and made into a brand. The Ivalice mandate, kind of like the Mario mandate.
It just felt so forced though.

>>721178908
>Different countries with vastly different levels of wealth still have very similar definitions of poverty.

Can you provide an example

>Yes yes objectively, because your running water is objectively worth very little today whereas the king's palaces and riches are still objectively worth a lot. Time travel is irrelevant to the argument, yes I understand the point of anachronistic thing being worth a lot but it ignores the crucial part of why it would be worth a lot by using magic.

You're confusing market value with objectivity. My claim is that poverty and rich and poor are man made constructs, and they changed temporally. They also change geographically if you want to see that its here >>721179830

>Scarcity is a fundamental law of physics, everything exists in limited quantities.

This isn't important at all but It's actually not entirely. Like we would never say neutron stars are scarce even if we can prove there was a finite amount of them and not everyone could have one or have one at all. It has to be something in demand and something you can possess. There's more to the definition and it's not just finite = scarce

>But the inequality in the possession of scarce resources happens because they are scarce?

Yes, poverty requires scarcity but that doesn't mean scarcity is poverty

>>721180295
yes, and?

i mean how would you fix society? to win someone must lose. if you don't have competition then are you really living? not saying that this isn't shit nor should we even the playing field im just saying it's a system that works because humans are competitive creatures.

>>721175583
A few clunky-ass moments still isn't as bad as the absolute clown show that is WotL.
"Flawed" is better than "laughably shit".

>>721180716
Literally just have something in place where the people in power can't become butt buddies with each other and hoard all the wealth. Why the fuck can a private businessman who was not elected by anyone determine what the laws are? Why the fuck does everyone agree that lobbying is bad but it somehow still exists? If I can be audited by the IRS to explain where my money is coming from and going to then surely the IRS or literally anyone can look into what those "private gifts and donations" are being used for.

>>721180714
Scarcity is what defines poverty. Someone having more wealth than you doesn’t intrinsically make you impoverished

I like FFTA

>>721181149
>Scarcity is what defines poverty.
It's not the whole definition. Scarcity was highest when humans first emerged, but nobody was poor.

>Someone having more wealth than you doesn’t intrinsically make you impoverished

Scarcity increasing or decreasing doesn't intrinsically make someone impoverished either.

>>721181805
> Scarcity increasing or decreasing doesn't intrinsically make someone impoverished either
For things that matter it literally does. Scarcity of a particular color of iPhone obviously does not

>>721180640
>Yes, poverty requires scarcity but that doesn't mean scarcity is poverty
That doesn't matter. The point is that poverty exists because of scarcity and scarcity is not, fundamentally, man-made, ergo poverty is not man-made.
>but someone with a lot of money could buy out all of a resource and create artificial scarcity!
That is a very specific scenario that doesn't seem relevant to the particular context of the quote in OP which kickstarted this whole debate.
>but the definition of poverty changes
The definition of poverty has remained fairly constant, access to resources considered "basic needs". What basic needs are has changed, slightly, over time, but not sufficiently enough to matter in the context of the argument. A person without access to food or water is considered poor anytime and anyplace such a concept ever existed. Again, the context is the quote in the OP, whether not having a high performance car could ever be a descriptor of poverty given the right economic conditions is neither here nor there since it's clear any time people get all philosophical about poverty and it being a weapon against The People it is about access to more fundamental things like food.

>>721181120
the biggest problem is you can't stop corruption at all. power is corrupt. the winners will always be corrupt.

>>721181993
then stay losing lest you become corrupt

>>721181980
No I mean because both of those are a matter of thresholds. If the top 1% got richer by a little bit I almost certainly wouldn't be considered poor. When hurricane helene created a IV bag shortage that probably didn't put people beyond the threshold and raise the poverty level. By intrinsically I took it to mean you meant always.

>>721180716
You just regulate injustice

>>721182510
Having not enough IV bags is the issue there. Someone having some stockpile of IV bags wouldn’t negatively impact you if you had plenty for your needs.

>>721182736
who would be doing that?

Draw your sword, Ramza.

>>721181989
>That doesn't matter. The point is that poverty exists because of scarcity and scarcity is not, fundamentally, man-made, ergo poverty is not man-made.

Just because a man made concept requires something not man made to exist doesn't mean it is that thing. That's not logic.

>but someone with a lot of money could buy out all of a resource and create artificial scarcity!

I dont know who you are quoting or why I would even want to that say in this situation

>The definition of poverty has remained fairly constant

This is a value judgement. What is fairly constant? It's not constant. It changed. Because the definition has been stable in modern usage means what exactly? We're talking about if poverty is man made cocept, which would involve talking about it over vast breadths of time, especially before it existed as a concept.

>Again, the context is the quote in the OP, whether not having a high performance car could ever be a descriptor of poverty given the right economic conditions is neither here nor there since it's clear any time people get all philosophical about poverty and it being a weapon against The People it is about access to more fundamental things like food.

People with survival necessities like food and shelter are politically labeled as in poverty all the time. I don't know why you're contracting the definition so much, that seems like bad faith. We have to think of all the definitions of poverty that are in common use , especially when used as a political weapon.

>>721172545
no because CBUIII is the one doing it, and they have that annoying dyed-haired dyke who ruined FFXIV

>>721172545
>So.. Is anyone here getting the demaster?
no

>>721180716
I'd institute a black box artificial intelligence at the top of the hierarchy which accepts only numerical arguments, gathers its own data, and hands out judgement without bias.
Without an incorruptible greater authority all systems will inevitably rot.

But that's a non-answer, because assuming such a system could not only exist, but exist in a fashion where it won't inevitably run into some edge-case zero-sum scenario and convert humanity into paperclips, is naïve.

>>721180716
there is no real fix. The best you can do is put up a bunch of safeguards after a revolution. The problem is that all the safeguards and rules get eroded over time while the common man is just trying to live life. The kind of people who seek and attain power are usually the worst of us morally and will eventually wear down any barrier, though it takes time. Human society is like a never ending cycle where you just hope to be born in an upswing

>>721183326
I had to back track an hour because of that nigger

>>721173337
Democracy wouldn't work in the first place because the vast majority of people are retards. You will always be ruled by an oligarchy of some kind

>>721183646
Yeah, the nuance of humanity makes managing us virtually impossible, because what metric are you using to measure success?
Maximise happiness/Minimize sadness? Lobotomies for everybody! You literally can't feel negative emotions anymore.
Minimise social strife? Bread & Circus. No more agency, just the illusion of such.
Ensure no desire goes unfilled? What of those humans whose desire is that others go without?

So you feed all this into a god-machine and it comes to the conclusion that the best way is to just toss people into a virtual paradise until their brain turns to dust, and in order to do that, it needs to control the world, and in order to do THAT, it needs military resources. After all, it is working towards the eternal betterment of mankind, so a couple billion deaths is a small price to pay for a hypothetically infinite amount of happiness and fulfilment in the fullness of time.

>>721174738
It worked well until Jews sic their golems on them.

>>721164121
God I love Matsuno. I'm ashamed I slept on the guy for too long, but we need more developers like him.

>>721160437
Yeah it sounds like the troonslater talking talking at you

>>721164974
So if you have no income, you can't get a speeding ticket? Interesting.

>>721166891
The useless person should be left to die for being a lazy fuck. Resources should not be equally distributed because not everyone is equal.

>>721184281
you have to be 18 to post on 4chan.

>>721183334
>We have to think of all the definitions of poverty that are in common use
Like which ones?

>>721183251
Idk but that's the way

Poverty in most modern societies is a choice. I hate to say it as a former bleeding heart liberal but in a majority of cases being poor is a result of a major moral and ethical failing of some sort.

>>721184546
Having l i t t l e m o n e y

>>721183723
Thomas Jefferson rotting corpse can eat my ass, he was more than happy to utilize the strengthened US government after crying about governmental overreach. Also people need to stop pretending they weren't more than happy to suppress another revolution against their newly formed government because the pay the Continental Army got wasn't widely accepted by local merchants.

>>721184703
Washington did as bad or worse than the British ever did suppressing some people mad about taxation of whiskey lmao

>>721167342
They would know if they had paid fucking attention in economic class. The truth people don't want to admit is the average person shouldn't vote as they're too lazy or stupid to handle it. At best the average person pretends to care once every 2 or so years, and just votes entirely for the party that promises the most gibs

It's ashame that square took creative direction of FFXII away from Matsuno including the ivalice alliance. Bashe was supposed to be the original main character but square added stupid filler kawaii characters so he quit 3/4ths of the the way through. Im not sure if he ever made another game again

If you don't know about Ajora Glabados, get the fuck out. He's pivotal to understanding the story of Tactics and most people are too brainrotted to even know who he is.

>>721184759
Reminder that the whole "taxation" cry was about the rich colonists having to pay for the French and Indian war that their constant push westward initiated. Literally the rich convinced the poor to fight a war of independence because they didn't want to have to pay taxes on the fuckup of breaking treaties the British established with the native tribes to restrict westward expansion.

>>721171790
There might be inflation but whats pretty much guaranteed is that over time you would once again end up with uneven results because drug addicts will burn their houses down, gamblers and alcoholics will have to sell theirs because of debt and smart people with functional families will pool together their assets to get more of them.

>people arguing that poverty ISN'T manmade
It's not the fucking laws of physics preventing homeless people from building their own thatched hut in an empty field and growing some vegetables or hunting and gathering.

>>721160898
i'm not a commie, but he's actually correct about this.

all punishments should be one of three things. corporal punishments for people for whom all the above conditions are met.

1) the perpetrator is a first or second time offender

2) the crime is not especially egregious

3) the perpetrator is under the age of 25.

If the perpetrator is a repeat offender or is over the age of 25 the mininmum punishment to to be exile or banishment. they are to be stripped of all rights and citizenship and are to be expelled from the nation's lands. Where they go is their own concern, this is no longer your home, you can't stay here. If they can find nowhere to take them they will be given a rowboat and can go try to find an island somewhere to live. Return or ban evasion will be punished with death.

If the crime is especially egregious, then of course death is the only appropriate punishment.

no fines, no incarceration, no probation, no community service. either corrective corporal punishment towards people who are fixable and worth trying to fix and physical removal for those who are not fixable or worth trying to fix.

>>721185560
but then it wouldnt be handed to them which is the biggest reason why commies exist - to have things handed to them

>>721185560
laws of physics, chemistry and biology actually prevent homeless drug addicts from getting anything done.

>>721185560
Thatch roof cottageeeeeeees

I mean Star trek envisioned worlds free of money with unlimited resources.

>>721168067
>What's the best version of FFT?
PS1 Version with Lion's War mod
Keeps the PS1 translation, and adds extra content from the PSP WotL version

>>721184619
Being poor in developed countries is so comfortable that they develop problems with NEETs

>>721185736
It's the onyl way. We've had a food surplus for decades now and yet people starve next to the tons of waste grocers leave to rot daily.

>>721185648
how would your form of jurisprudence handle the burden of proof, false accusations, framing, corruption and appeals?

>>721185841
>Keeps the PS1 translation
Why didn't they at least fix shit like >>721175583

>>721185959
If you live in a first world country I doubt anybody is actually "starving".
So many social systems, welfare, food banks, soup kitchens around.
Of course some of these systems expect you to show up sober which the most useless assholes refuse to do.

By this new definition of poverty, a starving caveman would not be considered to be in poverty, as long as there are no "rich" cavemen. As soon as one caveman picks more berries than him, it's no longer a matter of him being a shit huntergatherer, it's a matter of unjust distribution of wealth.

This line of thinking is fucking retarded btw.

>>721185736
That's certainly a vision, one that doesn't exist.

>>721185736
star trek is a fantasy
they had a eugenics war in their le history among other things
the only way they managed to gain a "post scarcity society" was every single human being in star fleet suddenly became self motivated enough to collectively become an interstellar civilization complete with off world resource mining and development of replicators, which is the the primary edge the federation has over the other races theyre allied with
find out how to make a replicator and youll most likely solve the scarcity issue
the brain damage issue is likely never going to disappear

>>721185990
You don't. People have been around for 240,000 years and those concepts only we in a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of human history

>>721164709
Communist wealth distribution just puts everyone in poverty instead of just some. Because there is not enough wealth for everyone.

This is not to say "capitalism" is perfect either (there is actually no such thing as capitalism, using the term is buying into a marxist framework, just like using the terms "heterosexual" or "cisgender" give legitimacy to faggotry).

nor is the "laissez faire free market" of the wet dreams of the likes of milton friedman any more realistic or workable than marx's "true communism"

There is no solution to scarcity. The solution on a micro level is for your tribe to maximize the amount of resources within that tribe and kill members of other tribes who compete for those resources. Then you should distribute those resources within your tribe according to what will best strengthen future generations of your tribe, ensuring that the genes most colosely connected to yours have a better chance to thrive and go on. This is how social animal species such as Homo sapiens work.

>>721186253
You forgot your society structure there

>Poverty is a political weapon
Yes, and? The Helots need to be beaten so that reason can flourish in the first place.

>>721163559
That's antisemitic.

>>721186463
I see, it takes society to be considered in poverty.
Should we get rid of society then, since it would apparently also rid us of poverty?

>>721165362
This is how it's supposed to work in theory. In practice, you have certain hostile tribes of people and that pretend to be part of your tribe, as well as anti-social individuals who's loyalty genes are defective, that swindle all the resources for themselves using a corrupt legal system.

>>721164709
>Poverty isnt about scarcity but wealth distribution, among other things

So that means there is no poverty in the middle of the desert where there are no resources, retard kun?

Female Geomancer is one of the hottest girl in video games.

I want to get excited for this but I feel the same as OP

Every gameplay video I see looks so drab, boring and samey.

Is it really that good?

>>721160214 (OP)
>>721160214 (OP)
Poverty is literally the default state of a human within nature

>>721186681
Idk why you thought this was some gotcha response

Based

Threadly reminder record profits and billion dollar CEO salaries mean that workers (You) weren't paid the value of your labor

>>721164121
this is something people on all sides of politics agree on though

>>721186909
Finally! A worthy post.

>>721160410
This is fucked because she actually does love the actual country, like the wind and the plains

>>721166891
Social saftey nets should exist. However they should only be for members of the tribe in good standing, not exotic invaders or blood enemies.

>>721166274
>can't refute my claim
>insults me instead
My grasp of economic concepts is quite firm. More than half of the currency present in circulation right now at this moment, exists only in bank accounts, as a result of loan issuing. If you were to attempt to withdraw all that money, it would not exist and the banks would have to close down, because all of the banks play the game of moving musical chairs where they borrow from Paul to pay off Steve and continuously resell debt while at the same time acquiring real estate, to have something that isn't fake money to move around.

>>721167247
>Every human on the planet could easily live an upper-middle class life.

source: my ass

>>721186958
Does it make you mad?

>>721187220
what now?

>>721172545
Sounds like something trump would say behind closed doors

Was not including pregnancy mechanics a missed opportunity?

>>721160410
please provide sumata

>>721187297
Are you peeved?

>>721187101
>blood enemies
Boy, I sure love when rightoids just want to live in America-flavored China.

>>721184827
>only le heckin billionaireinos should vote
>they vote only for those that would benefit them
>poverty and scarcity continues to grow because they are all psychopaths that get off on the feeling of being better than everyone else, which they love to feed by endless hoarding of resources that they are never going to use
>retards online will continue to defend this by utilizing just world fallacies and telling you that you aren't working hard enough, goy!
Unironically neck yourself.

>>721160410
Completely made up fake quote btw.

>>721187378
No, why would I be?

>>721167723
The solution to homeless is you empty all the criminals out of prison (into graves) and then use the prisons as involuntary shelters for non criminal homeless. You put them to work as much as they are able, and for the few that are genuinely just down on their luck (as opposed to mental cases that are just genuinely not capable of functioning) you offer them means to transition into regular society.

>>721172545
Algus was such a jew lmao outright talmudic

>>721185560
laws do prevent you from doing that though

>>721187208
Resources arent as finite as the upper class would like you to think they are. I mean earth diamonds are in over abundance to the point where they are almost useless but jew cartels..

>>721160214 (OP)
who the fuck is t hat guy next to zalbag supposed to be

>>721187472
It seems like you are.

>>721185648
This isn't sustainable. Either you get
A) people being banished for minor crimes, which is demoralizing to the point of being eventually destabilizing
or B) you have to categorize those minor crimes as "not crime" so you don't end up banishing everyone, and then people can do those things with impunity.
Ultimately it depends on what is considered crime. It works well enough for major crime, but if you get some bureaucrat criminalizing increasingly minor things, it goes to shit. And there are always going to be crimes that straddle the line between "not a big deal" and "actually that's bad" that can't simply be ignored but definitely don't warrant banishment. As well as crimes that depend largely on context (two people in a brawl, who threw the first punch, what led up to it, etc).
It's incredibly unrealistic.

>>721187497
He is idolized here btw as le based because he happened to kill a little girl in cold blood.

>>721187584
Starting to think you're projecting

>>721168319
>CHRUCH IS LE BAD
it's true though?

>>721172737
Overcompensating failed noble desperately seeking to regain legitimacy.

>>721186909
funny how such a simple design is so sexo

>>721187661
Explain it to me then, because it sounds idiotic. A starving caveman is not considered to be in poverty, as long as no social structure exists.

>>721160214 (OP)
Wait so this is the deep writing FFT fanboys told me about?

lol you guys are embarrassing

>>721160214 (OP)
Poverty is literally the natural flow of the universe.
There's nothing more natural than degeneration.

>>721169035
apparently the only alternative to modern industrial society is neolithic hunter gatherers.

>>721187870
>americans hostile because this was banned to teach him in school

>>721187157
Abolish money.
Problem solved.

Right?

>>721187821
Do you call a starving lion impoverished?

>>721160898
Its crazy how JRPGs do that all the time, they insert some quotes into the game and now they become well written, any retard can tell you this shit, good writing is how you construct a narrative with supported worldbuilding and good timeline of events that is well paced and engages you with its story.
Its not about quoting righteous morals in a tiny box and calling it a day.

>>721160898
>what are day fines

>>721188041
>strawman
You can start by abolishing private banking, fiat currency, offshore banking and non-government controlled inflation.

Any games where the church/capitalism/the rich/the nobles/the bourgeois/the government are absolutely in the right and the rebellion shitheads got btfo'ed logically

>>721188068
show me a western game that has the balls to tackle these themes and deliver them in a compelling and entertaining wait

you can't

go play cowadooty for 67th time and donate to israel golem

>>721188065
Sure.

>>721187579
I mean it would be soul crushing to live in a commie block but 10000% times better to not be in the cold and have electricity and running water

>>721188191
>why can't the poor just buy more money?

>>721188191
Fake news
https://www.vogue.co.uk/news/article/paris-hilton-stop-being-poor

>>721188235
I wouldn't. There are many words I would use before it that better describe the reality of the situation.
I can see why you'd think the quote is retarded then.

>>721185879
NEETs have social safety nets from family.

Niggas we are on the way to star trek level replicaters

>>721188370
I consider starving humans to be impoverished as well btw.

>>721169665
Depends on how you rule your deer empire. As long as your people, your tribe are happy with you and how much deer they get, then you are a good ruler. As far as those who are not part of your people, you have no obligation to them. This is how any animal tribe works, humans are no exception.

Now if you are a member of a hostile tribe who has wormed your way into leadership over people who are not your tribe, those people are justified in attempting to overthrow and destroy you.

Who is moral in this scenario? The victor, of course.

When it comes down to it, the winner writes the history, and also gets to do the breeding. So your best bet is to win.

>>721188269
Commie blocks did not exist in a vacuum, they had infrastructure to support the people that inhabited them. The nearest fire station, police station, school, stores and medical facilities were all within ten to fifteen minutes of walking distance. The soviets had something called "micro-district infrastructure design", which ensured these conveniences for the people.

>>721188512
You are not going to see any of the benefits they can provide, the rich would sooner destroy the free food than let you have it.

>>721188519
To be expected

>>721188579
The better question at this point is what YOU consider to be poverty lmao
Food as a resource apparently doesn't count.

If you’re ok with how things are going in your life then you don’t have to be any smarter.

>>721188351
That's not much better

>>721160345
Grug no think holobunga happen.

>>721188154
>You can start by abolishing private banking
Oh yes, only one bank. If it provides the worst service, can't go anywhere because it's the only bank.
And the bank can seize your money for any reason whatsoever.

>fiat currency
Replace with what? Gold? Planet runs out of gold.
Do you know of anything that can replace currency? *Hint : you don't have the knowledge to determine the replacement to fiat currency*

>offshore banking
This is a product of the offshore bank providing more lucrative service. That's it.

>>721188640
It should be obvious that my definition requires the context of a society.
So it can describe a state of lacking socially acceptable or expected amounts of money or material possessions.

bros I love this game
I love all of the translations
I really think, I know, just the whole experience in its essence is an untouchable masterpiece.
Regardless of how the narrative is translated the path through it is just beautiful in every way.

>>721188162
Aurelian campaign in Total War: Rome 2 - Empire Divided

>>721188568
And they were right but mericans need their own separate houses where they don't even know their neighbors names and if you don't have a car you die

>>721169742
>but he argues that it isn’t necessary if we already have the means for a utopian system.

but his premise was flawed from the get go as while industry DID increase abundance, it certainly did not do so to the degree required to support a global utopia.

And, the other flaw of Marx (and every other economic thinker)'s thinking. Even if material scarcity would be solved by Star Trek style replicators, that would do nothing to solve STATUS scarcity. STATUS will always be a zero sum game, and due to the reproductive drives of Homo sapiens, there is no way to turn off the innate human need to compete for STATUS, as STATUS directly translates into reproductive opportunities with the most desirable females.

>>721188162
Fallout 2 and 3

>>721188568
Artificial gem stones such as diamonds are on the market and avaliable to everyone but pic related brain washed your girlfriend they are inferior

>>721160339
Yeah it's kinda the opposite, poverty is the natural state, being rich is entirely artificial.

>make arable land ownership a human right so everyone has their own place where they can live and sustain their own existence
>if you're a lazy tranny commie you can just rent your land to someone else and live off that
>land is assigned by raffle
>only 2.5 kids allowed to keep population stable and we can start with an initial seeding so every gene in the society has multiple copies and we can make sure they don't go extinct then we just need to decide what happens when we have evolved more different genes then we have room for but worse comes to worse either you can raffle or maybe we can institute trials by combat for that scenario

But most importantly though we need to get rid of all socialists and other authoritarians and everyone who doesn't think everyone should have total control over their lives and well being and while it is bad that some people are randomly born crippled communist trannies that can't support themselves, just stealing from people that do create a lot of stuff isn't a good solution.

>>721167241
>Kings were "rich" when they had far less than the luxuries you enjoy today.
It sounds like the system works then.

>>721188775
I like how you have to keep trying to make it seem like I am saying something else entirely to make your shitty attempt at a counter-argument work. I have no intention of abolishing currency and never indicated anything of the sort.

>And the bank can seize your money for any reason whatsoever.
Which they already do right now, as the government can demand that a private bank does, at any time, for any given reason.
>Oh yes, only one bank. If it provides the worst service, can't go anywhere because it's the only bank.
Muh what if things bad.
Then ensure that the service is good. You have plenty of fake money to go around, don't you? Spend some of it.

>Replace with what?
Actual currency, that represents real objects of value.
>Planet runs out of gold.
Then switch to silicon. Or oil. Or platinum. Or labor hours. Or energy contribution. Get creative, instead of using fake money.

>This is a product
It should not exist.

>fft thread made
>500 post debate about semantics and the nature of man and his governance
kino

>>721189201
China is already covertly doing this

>>721189328
That's because men must be governed.

>>721168684
This pyramid seems to be all over the place, why is reproduction treated like such a basic need? When so many people live fulfilling lives without it. As someone who had many romantic relationships in the past and is now single, I care way more about personal growth, pursuit of meaning and creativity than finding another romantic partner, yet this implies it should naturally be my last priority.

>>721189560
>When so many people live fulfilling lives without it.
What sort of people? Because signalling that you live one by making instagram posts and actually being fulfilled are very different things.

>>721189424
I love this move so goddamn much.

>>721189663
What about so many of those famous mathematicians and scientist all through history, I obviously don't mean a bitch with 100 cats drinking wine and doom scrolling all day because it's obviously cope.

>>721170219
libertardians are defective people with no tribal loyalty

>>721160214 (OP)
this is like that far left populist take about redistribution of wealth from 10% wealthiest to other 90% and by doing that nobody would be poor anymore, which is bullshit and anyone with basic math skill can debunk this fallacy but they say math is racist. the only way to fight poverty is with capitalism and free market which lifted billions out of poverty, eventually it will either lead to post scarcity world or some fucked up far left/right dystopia or nuclear apocalypse.

>>721189779
Those people were a minority and most of those men also led very difficult lives filled with strife and loss. I don't dispute the fact that not everyone is marriage material, but as a whole, the majority definitely feels the need to be with one another and have children.

>>721165362
>money is a representation of how much someone contributes to the economy
explain streamers

>>721160339
When the scarcity is artificial, it is.
Did you know that space mining is so lucrative it could crash most metal markets on earth? We don't even consider it because of that. We want to keep the prices high so we avoid increasing supply. That is the "free market". There is no supply and demand, the supply will change to always be less than the demand to increase profits.

>>721167241
>If a man popped into existence in the forest those words would have no meaning nor would he conceive such a thing
>One guy spawns in 'the forest and has access to better land because more animals dwell there
>he is 'rich' by definition because he has access to plentiful meat and game
The best cure for communism is reality

>>721189979
They entertain the masses and keep them from chimping out and killing themselves or others. The successful ones garner so much influence and fame that they end up influencing cultural and political processes. It's no different from stage plays that incited civil discourse or unrest. It's the theatre plays of modern age.

>>721188512
These allow you to sell diamonds that are more perfect than earth diamonds for a fraction of a fraction of the cost. Pic related would cost ten times as much other wise. But let them keep their secrets

>>721188809
>socially acceptable or expected
That makes it an entirely useless definition then. There are absolute needs that have to be met for basic survival, and somebody should be considered impoverished when they struggle to meet them. By your definition, it's basically public opinion whether or not somebody should be considered impoverished. People don't stop being impoverished just because we expect them to starve or be poor. Like, we expect a casteless in india to be poor, therefore he isn't really? Because he's actually supposed to be all gangly and starving according to our social expectations, therefore no poverty to be seen.

>>721160214 (OP)
If that is true explain all the homeless fags despite living in a first world nation?

>>721190013
All of the human tribes lived as communes and not some capitalist "every man for himself we must compete or die" cutthroat hives.

>>721171065
I can see both sides. I agree with the idea of pensions for people who stay members in good standing of the tribe, and who fulfill their obligation to future generations in their stewardship of resources.

However, collectively, the current generation collecting pensions, the Baby Boomers, have categorically FAILED their descendants in every aspect, therefore their pensions should be confiscated from them to rebuild the society they DESTROYED through their combination of mailce and incompetence. Those that were good and did good by their descendants will be taken care of by their children and grandchildren.

Those that sucked can meet the day of the pillow.

>>721189705
That image is just plain wrong. Keep out of this thread with your shitty propaganda.

>>721189289
>Then ensure that the service is good. You have plenty of fake money to go around, don't you? Spend some of it.

You are asking a citizen to fix what's essentially a government service. And then bribe them extra if they don't listen.

>Then switch to silicon. Or oil. Or platinum.
You are equating tangible items for money equivalence. Items that are non renewable. This is delaying the inevitable. After all the elements run out, what will you do then.

>Or labor hours.
Runs into one person's hour worth being different from anothers.

>Or energy contribution
Close.
Can you see what the true replacement to currency can be?
A universally tangible something that works the same across all part of the planet ?

>>721184060
You'd hope the Oligarchy would at least be competent and not just a bunch of child raping psychopath lunatics.
Alas, this is what we have and retards or not, people are going to realize it's us or them. Boomers should fucking hang from lamp posts for how much damage they let them do before it came to a civil war, however.
There will never be a generation more pathetic and fucking worthless than Boomers. It's thanks to them the Psychopaths came to power so easily and uncontested.

>>721190190
Just refer to the image?
It's man made. Man exists in first world nations. So poverty is employed as a weapon there.

>>721190190
>just buy a house bro

>>721189289
Remember when it was illegal for Americans to have a certain amount of gold for almost 100 years

>>721160410
This isn't even a quote from the game. Lyn never says this.

>>721190148
It's not useless it's just nuanced and needs context. A poor person compared to you in india can at the same time not be considered poor in that society.
And at the heart of the argument, I don't think the fake quote was arguing with your definition in mind.

>>721171790
A large number of those houses would dilapidate and turn into crack shacks fairly quickly, because there are certain populations that just can't be trusted to live unsupervised.

>>721190270
>You are asking a citizen to fix what's essentially a government service.
The citizens elect their governments. If the government is incompetent, it is up to the citizens to fix things. It worked that way everywhere throughout history.

>You are equating tangible items for money equivalence. Items that are non renewable. This is delaying the inevitable.
Yes and human lives are finite as well. Prosperity is finite, which is why humanity must do more than just hoard and die to ensure that it continues. Heat death of the universe is also real. In short, this is not an argument.

>Runs into one person's hour worth being different from anothers.
It is merely one of the options that I presented that could be used. It's still better than fiat money that can be printed endlessly while the masses toil, indoctrinated that they can "make it" if they just take out another loan.

And I don't care for your smarmy pseud tone, crypto is just a stopgap made by angry WoW players. Abolish the federal reserve and private banking and switch most governments to national socialism and majority of these problems will disappear in a handful of years.


>>721190421
I certainly do.

>>721190227
This is glossing over things like ritual sacrifice of people and warring between different tribes, don't you think?

>>721190348
>You'd hope the Oligarchy would at least be competent
That's the definition of oligarchy as opposed to aristocracy

>>721190610
Ritual sacrifice was usually born of ignorance and "we do not know how to avert this disaster, so we will give up to nature things most precious to us hoping it will fix things". I don't see why you bring this up at all. There were plenty that did not practice such things.

>>721160898
If a fine compensates the damage done, there's no need for a higher penalty.

>>721190717
>There were plenty that did not practice such things.
But there were plenty that did.
You also ignored the warring tribes point.

>>721190752
If the damage done is measured in human lives how does one calculate the fine?

>>721190752
Thing is, it usually never does and past a certain point, fines are no longer a deterrent and just the cost of doing business.

>>721172652
isn't FFTA all Mewt's fantasy though? like its called Ivalice, but it never actually happened?

>>721190902
none of this ever happened

>>721190850
I think Hammurabi figured this out awhile ago.

>>721173283
>Anon, do you think all political change is done violently?
NTA, but yes.

all "nonviolent" political change is phony. Power does not allow itself to be transitioned peacefully. The same interests have been in power in the United States since the Civil War. They hold "elections" every 4 years to make the people think they have some control, to allow blame for the decay of the society to be distributed.

>>721189980
I don't think you realize the insane logistics and engineering needed to mine a rock in space.

>>721185294
Pretty sure the taxes also affected everyday people. Most knew the new taxes were inflicted to pay for the massive cost of the Seven Years' War.

The actual grievance was that the colony had pay taxes but don't have any representation in Britain's Government body to have a voice in how the taxes should be paid.
Basically, the people of the colonies weren't treated like British citizens accord to them.

>>721191049
A man can die but once. Punishing a killer that had caused the deaths of dozens or hundreds is not a sufficient punishment in accordance with the set of laws you are quoting.

>>721191169
They are nowhere near as insane as you claim them to be. For the cost of a couple of Concords we could have had orbital accelerators that could launch shit into space for us already, without requiring expensive launch vehicles that guzzle endless amounts of fuel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_loop

>>721190850
Who gives a fine for murder? Are commies retarded?

>>721190879
So make the fine fit. It's not the concept that's a problem.

>>721191169
We have enough rock here to last the next 10k generations.

>>721191445
>Who gives a fine for murder
Someone has never heard of Pfizer lawsuits.

>>721181805
>It's not the whole definition. Scarcity was highest when humans first emerged, but nobody was poor.

Nobody was poor because those who would have been poor were dead instead.

In a hunter gatherer tribe, you are either a successful tribe and thus rich, or you starve, or you are killed by another competing tribe as hunter gatherers have no need for slaves, only agrarian societies need those.

>>721191445
>So make the fine fit. It's not the concept that's a problem.
It's just simpler to target a % of earnings. And scarier for the companies too.
If governments were based, they would threaten seizure of assets for repeat offenders.

>>721191284
A punishment worse than death and the perception of what it entails has not yet been realized, for better or worse.

>>721191445
Come on guys let's return you to your miserable lives as cripples disfigured, drunks dead loved ones and the worthless

>>721191445
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weregild

>>721171629
Producing wealth to achieve more together than alone is civilization 101, there's no greater incentive.
And nothing mean no scarcity. At most, I give you that eventually a group deplete resources but it will have only the value the group see in it. It's not monopolized by one to gain power over other.

>>721191513
Medicine is complicated. Are you going to execute doctors for malpractice?
>>721191619
>It's just simpler to target a % of earnings
It's objectively better to repay the damage done. I prefer restorative justice.

>>721191421
Ah yes, real life is like vidya where you just need money to unlock the next tier of buildings. How are you going to maintain something as big as that launch loop or space elevator, or mass accelerator? Where are you going to build it? How are you going to prevent wildlife/people from destroying it? Some things are just impractical.

>>721184619
I work a full time job, eat healthy, pay my taxes and I can still barely afford to live and every day I think about suicide.
What moral or ethical failing have I committed?

>>721191809
>I prefer restorative justice.
Then save up excess money for when a rich has to pay to cover the difference

>>721191954
Not striving to be a betterman

>>721192002
You want to try that again?

>>721184918
Superior choice... Wait, wasn't balthier the main?

>>721190509
And if he broke out of that society and left the social structure, he would stop being rich or poor, simply because there are no more social expectations towards him. A starving guy within a social structure is inherently different than a starving guy outside of it.

That is to say that this "nuance" is completely useless, dude.

>>721192087
Not interested no

>>721191809
>medicine is complicated
It's really not.
>Are you going to execute doctors for malpractice?
Not for malpractice. For illegal human experimentation. Both those that took the money to push the untested drugs on the behest of the company and its CEO should face justice, yes. Usually serial poisoners faced death penalties, I do not see why people that had done the same thing should be exempt from it.

>>721191818
We have plenty of deserts or low density natural areas to build one in right now.
>How are you going to prevent wildlife/people from destroying it?
Unless the people you're talking about possess gtg missile armaments, they are no threat to a launchpad or a launch loop. And wildlife is irrelevant if you choose the place carefully and not like Musk had done it.
>how are you going to maintain something so big
The same way we maintain railroads. I guess they are magic too and we just don't know how to do it anymore?

>>721191809
>Are you going to execute doctors for malpractice?
I've seen 5 different doctors for a weird nerve damage thing in my ear causing me extreme pain and all of them just try shoving pain meds down my throat and push me out the door.
I absolutely think doctors should get executed for malpractice.

>>721185350
This is true, if you set the variables cp. We don't know how Internet will evolve and what that will do to us as a species.

>>721191954
nta, but a majority of that depends on your own belief system
>>721192081
I don't think that is mutually exclusive with anon's question

>>721192081
* being a betterman means you inherit large sums of money and never actually learn morality or human principles so your entire life is spent in decadence looking down on Better Men who work harder than you.

>>721192258
>weird nerve damage thing in my ear
TMJ?

>>721192208
What's so difficult about that? Yes it would be weird to describe him as poor or rich then.
>A starving guy within a social structure is inherently different than a starving guy outside of it.
Notice how you used the word starving to describe something that doesn't need the context of a society?

>>721192258
Why don't you just fix it yourself?

>>721192340
I don't know, no doctor has ever done more than make me take 4 blood tests and 16 x-rays then shrug at me and tell me to eat less red meat (????????)
I'm waiting on three different specialists. I get letters saying I'll be updated ever 90 days for my eventual future appointment.
I'm Canadian.

>>721187208
Clown. Most people have much more than they need for a comfortable life. As burger you should know that china is beating you and they did that with plastic flooding your country. They ebat you with literal plastic toys, dildos for your women and toys for your children. That gave them everything they need to build a country that's like 5 times your size, at least per capita.

>>721185990
we would start by getting rid of the talmudic legal system. There is no need for investigations or trials for crime done in the open, for example.

False accusations/framing/etc. will be treated as a serious crime punished by extreme forms of death as an added incentive not to do it.

Also executed criminals will also have any offspring they have had euthanised in order to remove criminal genes from the genepool/ prevent future criminals from committing crime.

Corruption will be dealt with as the harshest crime of all, assuming by corruption we mean those placed in authority abusing their power against those they are supposed to be protecting. Aynone caught committing curruption will be flayed alive publically along with every member of their family, their bodies will be gibbetted and displayed as an object of public humiliation and scorn forever.

Appeals: LOL.

>>721192216
Okay because it's gibberish as written.

>>721192236
>It's really not.
Fucking retard. Stupid people should not be allowed to spread their opinions online.

>>721192194
No basch. Vaan and Penelo weren't even supposed to be in the game but got to get that money from dem test audiences

>>721187379
>apparently only the Chinese have blood enemies who knew

>>721192464
Try and ask for specific tests next time instead of describing vague pain issues to them. Go either for neurography and/or have MRI of the jaw-ear joint done.

>>721192524
I've forgotten more about medicine than you ever knew.

>>721192258
Isn't there a nerve ear specialist? Oto something?

>>721192686
>I've forgotten more about medicine than you ever knew.
How could that be if it's not complicated?

>>721191809
Then why is medicine like 100% cheaper in 3rd worlds like Cuba?

>>721192258
>>721192464
I had unbearable symptoms of trigeminal neuralgia with a tooth root abscess. I probably would have killed someone if I knew it would make the pain stop. I don't wish that on anyone. Getting it diagnosed and treated was an incredible relief.

>>721192748
Because there's a whole lot of things to remember and I'm getting on in years now.

>>721192464
You should demand to see an ENT doctor ASAP. Tell your personal doctor that it's urgent. Yes, "urgent" is a magical keyword here. And when you meet your ENT, be extremely specific and as detailed as you can.

>>721187521
>jew cartels make diamonds artifically expensive
>that means we have enough food to satisfy infinity africans

>>721192821
Thank you I'll try that.

>>721172665
>That assumes there's always enough of everything for everyone
If it's shared, it's only a logistic & management problem. Not everyone want everything and time is a variable.
Next it will be "we can't both stand at the same place simultaneously" or "we can't live in the future if we live in its past".
Of course the universe didn't care to make things equal (where is my antimatter!?), the lack of perfect solutions doesn't stop the search for one.

>>721192756
Medicine prices are negotiations based. Cuba is tiny, so the market is irrelevant. Us citizens can be milked to death, literally in this case. That's already a thing in the eu, too. Cancer? Well, depending on the type, medication costs million of dollars. No insurance will ever pay that.

>>721185648
holy shit thats retarded.
just introduce open caning and that will solve the majority of crime, especially of the petty kind.
its literally this easy.

>>721192620
Unfortunately for us: money talks

>>721192524
>Okay because it's gibberish as written.
It's actually really easy anon. Let me break it down for you.
>We want restorative justice
>Fine is % based
>When poor pays a fine you might endanger restorative justice IF it comes short [BAD NEWS]
>When rich pays a fine you can balance out the poor people coming short IF the fine % more than covers up for the damages [GOOD NEWS]

>>721190902
Yeah, true. But they still added the FFTA stuff to "mainline" Ivalice via FFXII

>>721192830
EU throws away half their food, before it hits the shelves.

>>721192620
>Vaan and Penelo weren't even supposed to be in the game
and yet they're both in FFTA2 as well

>>721191445
Smoothed-pixels Marche is even more annoying than the normal one

>>721193201
>Put a shirt on
>Character design improved 200%

>>721188068
Iconic one liners are powerful and if you do not appreciate them you are quite literally a faggot.
They can be way more effective than a properly crafted story and carry something flawed, because style IS important.

>>721193023
Throw it on pay-per-view and fund something useful with it, even.

>>721193349
I would pay for the right to cane someone a few times.

>>721193201
That was a while after Matsuno left

>>721193201
FFTA2 had a too many unique characters.
You got like 4 slots for generics if you collect everyone.

>>721193023
Petty crime usually is not a real danger to social order, because it can be reasonably handled by the witnesses or even the victims. The real criminals are the ones that steal resources in amounts so great, they cannot be counted and measured exactly, only approximated and the punishments they receive when caught do not harm a single hair on their head.

>>721193023
public humiliation is actually a very successful deterrent which is why it was done away with for the most part

>>721193525
Those people can be canned too. We're all complicit in this game one way or another.

>>721193675
I think "out by the roots' is the only kind of punishment that would stick to embezzlers and fraudsters. Getting beating with a stick and humiliated would run off them like water, they have no shame.

>>721192756
Cuban labor in general is cheaper which reduces the price of every input. There are a lot of other laws that make US prices artificially higher, mostly restrictions on supply and arbitrage.

>>721193092
I'm glad you decided to try it again after all. You've actually laid out an argument this time.
>When poor pays a fine you might endanger restorative justice IF it comes short [BAD NEWS]
>When rich pays a fine you can balance out the poor people coming short IF the fine % more than covers up for the damages [GOOD NEWS]
I don't think it is good news, it's arbitrary and non-proportional by definition which naturally leads to abuse. Like say there's a fine for dumping trash in the local river and poor people only pay 5% of their income. The consequence will be that the poors can all make a profit taking stuff from companies and dumping it.

>>721187592
A) You commit one minor crime, you get a beating. Ideally you learn your lesson and don't do it anymore. You commit again, a harsher beating, and your last chance. Then you get banished if you keep doing it, because you've proven yourself incapable of learning your lesson, you are not a fit for society anymore.

Now the reason we don't bother with beatings for those over 25? Their brains are "fully developed" which means their personalities are set and fixed. They aren't gonna learn any lesson.

So the idea of minor crimes is acting in a way that is detrimental to the tribe. A major crime is something where you are actually causing irreparable harm to the tribe or a member thereof.

We won't have bureaucrats and narrow laws. That envites talmudic "well i'm not techincally breaking any laws" type behavior. If you cheat, steal from, etc. people who are supposed to be your brothers, you are a defective person.

As far as two people in a brawl, absolutely it depends on context. This is a feature not a bug of not having a rigid legal system. Someone who is trusted to make judgements will have to do just that, make a judgement call who, if anyone, is the bad guy. This is gonna come down to the reason for the brawl.

Also we aren't gonna have a state monopoly on violence. We will trust the majority of people to handle things on their own, it won't be a crime to kill someone if we find they deserved killing.

>>721193824
I guess we'll need a bigger cane.

>>721192439
Yeah, it's almost like wealth and poverty can be completely independent of society and there are absolute markers as well, such as basic survival. How bout this: A guy who takes his collection of axes and saws and guns and farming equipment innawoods shouldn't be considered any richer or poorer than a guy who went in a completely different, separate part of the innawoods who has none of that, and consequently gets kinda skinny and lanky n shit. Neither are rich or poor, they separately exist in a quantum state of schroedingers pooriness until they meet up and a society forms and their states collapse towards one or the other. I mean, as long as the skinny guy doesn't die before that.
Don't get me wrong, it's a very funny definition.

>>721193865
>which naturally leads to abuse
As opposed to a static fine for prohibited parking where the rich just get to treat it as the cost?
>The consequence will be that the poors can all make a profit taking stuff from companies and dumping it.
Uhh what?

>>721193935
>two people in a brawl
Those kinds of things usually are resolved the next morning when the heads cool off anyway. Only a faggot would report to the police getting into a brawl that didn't escalate into anything major.

>>721188512
>invent infinite replicator
>IP laws prevent you from copying propietary pattern unless you pay the price
>since money has no value anymore, you can only pay by selling your brainpower to companies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFe9wiDfb0E

Pictured is your future body when you'll have to digitalize your mind to save on food.

>>721193865
>makes stuff more expensive

Tell that to all of the mid west farmers who lost their homes and land and still votes for him twice

>>721189560
because you are an animal. surviving and reproducing is what matters. all that other stuff is window dressing if your genes are not passing on, or at least you have fooled your body into thinking they are passing on by for example, fucking a hooker and squirting into a condom.

>>721194174
You still had to create a context to compare the 2 persons. Sure you can use wealthy or poor to describe basic survival but it's rarely done for the simple reason that it's stretching their definition. You usually use better words like content, sufficient, hungry etc.
And again, the quote in no way was talking about your stretched out definition of poverty applied to man vs wild.

>>721193525
it is a danger to societal order and witnesses and victims arent allowed to do anything about it right now because thats vigilantism.
as far as I'm concerned if you defend subhumans who steal even small things or smear their dogshit grafitti everywhere you deserve a caning too.

>>721194179
>As opposed to a static fine for prohibited parking where the rich just get to treat it as the cost?
If the cost covers the damage it's fine.
>Uhh what?
Montblanc is self-employed. He goes around to companies and offers to get rid of their waste which is difficult and expensive to dispose of. He promises that he can do this ethically and charges them $20 a barrel. Then he goes and drives the barrels to the river and tosses them in. Since Montblanc isn't rich, he can do this without it really hurting him.

>>721194351
I'm not a Trump supporter, I'm a libertarian.

>>721190227
They may have been communal among themselves, but when they encountred rival tribes they killed all the men and raped the women.

we need to go back to that social structure the worst thing we ever did was start treating females as people instead of property

>>721177762
Nah, he's right. Moreover, OPs right that it's a man-made thing. Want proof?
Name the top 5 wealthiest lions right now and what is it that makes them rich.

>>721194174
nta, but this is interesting to me from the angle of the individuals themselves, and how their own perception isn't factored in to this measure
Do they believe themselves to be poor relative to how they grew up, for example? No man exists in a vacuum, after all.
I'm sure this is sort of irrelevant to the point you're trying to make, and is mostly rhetorical.

>>721189201
>we need to get rid of [...] everyone who doesn't think everyone should have total control over their lives and well being
>"we" take away "everyone" control over their lives
I guess it's time for mankind to genocide itself.

>>721190634
Yup. It's what happens when you replace a warrior elite with a merchant elite. This is why society should always be ruled by chads, not wordcels.

>>721192756
first world carries a lot of the cost.
there is unironically a trickle down effect when it comes to medicine.

>>721190752
It may compensate the damage done, but it does nothing to fix the defective thinking that caused one to do harm to his own brethren. That type of thinking must either be corrected or eradicated.

>>721167241
>Kings were "rich" when they had far less than the luxuries you enjoy today.
This is such a midwit take. Yeah the kings of yesteryear didn't have $5000 gaming rigs that means they were poor. Meanwhile they had an army of knights at their command, personal chefs for their pets, access to the world's foremost scholars as personal tutors for their children, and a vault full of gold and jewels.
>but they didn't have a $500,000 rolls-royce!
Yeah but kings could snap their fingers and servants would carry them in a palanquin to their destination. Having 5000 people at your beck and call is a luxury not even billionaires today have. If cars existed 5000 years ago not only would the pharaoh have a Rolls-Royce he would have servants that would physically lift it and carry it across the Nile for him if he didn't feel like waiting for his driver to take him around it.

>>721194563
>witnesses and victims aren't allowed to do anything
In a flawed justice system, where everything is outsourced to a government entity and people are prevented from standing up to themselves and a culture of obedience to authority is fostered. In a more sane and balanced society, for most misdemeanors, no due process would be necessary because people would handle it among themselves. Wild West had less crime per person than in today's some of the safest cities, it was only called this because there was no unified population census and no centralized authority lording over everything.

>>721194346
I would rather kill myself than live forever.
The threat/curiosity of quantum immortality is always around the corner if I wanted try and find out for sure.

>>721160339
Anon we already live in a post-scarcity society. If the government wasn't run by Jews nobody would need to work and food would be cheap. In the west at least.

>>721191421
But in order to afford that some Africans might starve! never mind that if we give them food they will just breed more!

>>721194845
What if the law is the side with defective thinking? Like a regulation made with good intentions but it's actually more efficient to break the law?

>>721194564
>If the cost covers the damage it's fine.
You don't see how the rich can inherently "damage" more stuff? That can be viewed as having more freedom.
Your whole example is assuming the complete lack of any regulation or nuance to the point where a rich person could hire a poorer one to do their dirty job. As if hiring the person that does the crime to be responsible for cleaning after the crime is a bad idea eh?

>>721191619
Even better. Dissolve the companies. The companies can only exist because the government grants them a coporate license to exist as a corporation and be considered an artifical "person". Dissolve the corporation, exceute the CEO and board of directors and all their their families, and let them serve as an example to any others who would betray the public trust.

>>721195041
>individuals cannot do that
>but megacorporations can, with software regionlocking or disabling purchases from locales where it is cheaper to buy some product
It's funny how anti price gouging laws seem to only work against individuals now and not large institutions.

>>721193935
You addressed some of the other issues I suppose, but banishment for a first offense (for most milder crimes) is still way too harsh and will likely cause a lot of problems if it's somebody with a family or other people who are loyal to them. I believe in being tough on crime, but being disproportionately tough on it is going to cause rifts. Maybe that's inevitably going to happen at some point, but with such a system they'll be commonplace. When the stakes are high, so are the tensions. People will form their own little factions and get entrenched in them rather than work for the value of all.
And people over 25 can fuck up and learn a lesson. They're not immune to the effects of remorse or deterrence.

>>721191284
It still gets rid of them, keeps them from killing any more. You should also execute any children the killer may have had, remove his genes from society as much as possible so there will be less people like him in future generations.

>>721194949
That depends on how you want to define scarcity, if it's just food and shelter, for sure, we could do that ezpz. We could do it for everyone in the world. But, everyone has to be playing by the same rules, and that just isn't the case, even in, and maybe especially the west.

>>721191809
>Are you going to execute doctors for malpractice?
When done maliciously? Certainly.

>>721170869
FFT mentions a great cataclysm that ended the Age of Airships that humanity was saved from by Hero-King Mesa. One of the wonders mentions that the "Winged Ones" who are assumed now to be the Aegyl from FF12RW, were wiped out by it, and the description for Sweegy Woods mentions that the now extinct moogles lived there. It's not too hard to assume that the Cataclysm wiped out the rest of the non-human races.

>>721194883
Yep

>>721194193
>Those kinds of things usually are resolved the next morning when the heads cool off anyway. Only a faggot would report to the police getting into a brawl that didn't escalate into anything major.
Yeah, but sometimes you get authoritarian fucks trying to make it their business anyway. It's easy to imagine that "no tolerance" society like the one described could contain overzealous authorities.

>>721195336
When done maliciously I don't think it's malpractice at that point. Not a legal expert, but if you can prove malice then I imagine it gets charges as murder. At least that's how it should be.

>>721195209
>he thinks that sort of shit is genetic
>never heard of retards that got so enthralled by the way the killer does things that they get imitated, aka copycat killers
Do the world a favor and get a vasectomy. You should not contribute to the genepool at all.

>>721195149
>laws seem to only work against individuals now and not large institutions
you've cracked the code anon

>>721194351
>Tell that to all of the mid west farmers who lost their homes and land and still votes for him twice
It's easy to vote for someone who sucks when the alternative is worse.

>I work a full time job, eat healthy, pay my taxes and I can still barely afford to live and every day I think about suicide.
I noticed you mentioned nothing about sex. Neither marxists nor capitalists want to tackle sexual poverty as they both insist on treating women as people, which will neccessitate keeping 80% of men in sexual poverty.

>>721192756
Medicine is expansive in the U.S. because the government is not allowed to negotiate drug price. It's that simple. You're paying whatever big pharma is saying and you can't say no because both parties are completely captured.
it's why shipping stuff to Canada and sending it back is cheaper than buying the same drug in the U.S.

>>721195529
>Your problem is sex!!!!!
No.

>>721194564
>Montblanc is self-employed. He goes around to companies and offers to get rid of their waste which is difficult and expensive to dispose of. He promises that he can do this ethically and charges them $20 a barrel. Then he goes and drives the barrels to the river and tosses them in. Since Montblanc isn't rich, he can do this without it really hurting him.
I always knew there was something shifty about that fucking moogle

>>721195149
Large corporations know not to break these laws in the first place. That's why the costco runs out of generators. Otherwise they could easily source them from elsewhere.

>>721164974
>Finland
You have a decade until sharia law. Go tell your local imam to stop fucking your 9 year old sister so often, he's only 55.

>>721192489
The problem is that every human on the planet includes inifinity africans. You are not going to provide infinity africans with a middle class life, because no matter how much resoucres ytou give them they will just breed more.

>>721194772
No that shit is way cheaper to make. Pharmacies have been sued again and agian here for literally making people die in the states and yet they make fun of other countries being allowed to give cheap meds to their civs

>>721195529
Consider killing yourself.

>>721184325
If you have literally no income ever you wouldn't have a car so you cannot get a speeding ticket. If you still somehow have a car they can put a lien on it.

>>721195609
>Large corporations know not to break these laws
Uh-huh. Yeah. Of course they don't. Never happens.

>>721193023
well yes, open caning is certainly part of my idea. People who've been caned a couple of times and still do the thing they got caned for though, just need to be gotten rid of. Or people too old and have lost the neuroplasticity to be suceptible to the corrective aspects of caning.

>>721166954
Pedro, you are a leech. Build up your own country.

>>721160214 (OP)
In its natural tribal state, humans don't allow poverty to exist.
Because that guy who is starving isn't just some guy. He's your friend.
Your tribe is smaller than Dunbar's Number so you know everyone and care about them.

Also, natural resources were free for the taking. Nobody claimed ownership of the fruit on the trees or the ground beneath your feet.
Only once Kingdoms arose did they invent concepts like "poaching". Preventing people from providing for themselves.

>>721195550
And that's right? I thought trump was going to fix prices "I didnt vote for him"

>>721195885
You think Costco runs afoul of price gouging laws? Examples?

>>721193141
And if you gave that food to africans instead you'd be breeding even MORE violent savages. Better the food be thrown away then used to inflate the populations of natural blood enemies.

>>721196005
The recent anti trust lawsuits that they got out of by the skin of their teeth, which most likely just involved buying out a judge?

Most poor people I know a dumb, lazy, and aggressive; and above all else they have bottomless apatites. Just look at rappers who blow all their money immediately and have nothing once the paychecks stop, the island boys are a good recent example. Some people are ment to exist on the edge of starvation.

>>721195943
We must go back. If you have seen this well I won't ruin it for you

>>721196056
Those suits involved price gouging? Or are you changing the subject?

>>721193525
Those people should be dealt with by public execution of them and their minor family. Petty crime turns into major crime when those people are not corrected in their youth and are allowed into positions of power and influence.

>>721193675
I think by the time your crimes reach that level, caning is no longer effective. This is where you put them in an arena aloing with their entire families and feed them to lions.

>>721196136
Literally

>>721190190
Homelessness is a byproduct of an unnatural society.
Homeless people are prevented from building their own homes by law.
Because all land and natural resources already belong to some rich bastard.
You can't even prop up a tent on "public land".

>>721196136
There is multiple lawsuits ongoing against Costco right this instance, one of which involves a class action lawsuit in relation to price gouging. Not all of the lawsuits Costco faces are about price gouging, but the point of contention here is that big companies break these fucking laws all the damn time, which is factual. How much do they pay you to defend them here? You aren't doing it for free, right?

>>721195943
>poaching

>>721196092
Consider the circumstances that lead up to the state you see them in.

>>721196329
Homeless is junkies blowing all their money on drugs, and being to unhinged to live in public housing. They people who'd die in most other societies.

>>721195703
every single group of people has seen dramatic declines in breeding when they attain wealth. It's already happening in some of the more developed parts of africa. Hell on a quick search, the continent as a whole is on a birth rate decline over the decades

>>721196329
Also people have always done drugs but the government introduced shit way harder than natural as a way of control

matsuno slop fanbase

>>721167241
what kind of retard take is that. if you have a group of people, someone will eventually have more
equality cannot exist in perpetuity

>>721163926
Underrated kek

>>721196447
That's still irrelevant to anon's point though. As shit as those junkies are, they should be free to prop up their shitty cardboard houses on what's designated as public land, but we don't let them because of all sorts of vagrancy laws.

>>721196405
Bad genetics? A whore fucking a criminal and the criminal abandoning her to raise her aggressive child alone isn't capitalism's fault no matter how much you wish it was.

>>721196340
Yeah I just go on 4chan and argue with socialists in the hopes that somebody will fixate on costco. Are you fucking retarded? And by the way, the whole lesson here >>721195041 is that price gouging is a good thing and lawmakers harm normal people by preventing it.

>>721196329
I have a webm but it's too big to post of feds killing a homeless guy for camping on virtually homeless land

>>721196563
It's the typical Jordan Petersonism, where instead of addressing the issue, the faggot backtracks and starts to argue about definitions. Very popular here as well because it's an excellent way to distract unfocused opposition.

>>721196650
>akshully it's good when I do it
The government should determine the prices of goods by examining metrics and averages of strata of their populace. US was at its most strongest and prosperous when its government did it.

>>721196579
Would you want that on you doorstep? The public land is for taxpayers and law abiding citizens, there's wilderness zones they can live in if they want to be free. Of course most of them are too dumb to survive off grid.

>>721196897
My doorstep isn't designated public land. The anon's argument isn't a hard one to follow.

>>721196631
I wasn't alluding to capitalism at all, strawman-sama. Genetic disposition is definitely a factor, though.

>>721196787
>The government should determine the prices of goods by examining metrics and averages of strata of their populace. US was at its most strongest and prosperous when its government did it.
It most certainly was not. I assume you mean WWII, when everything was rationed due to shortage? Government price controls always lead to (undesirable) surpluses and shortages, you have to be completely uneducated on the topic to suggest this.

>>721195392
>escape the simulation
Welcome to the simulation of the simulation, it exists as a hell to make you wish you were back in the simulation

>>721160214 (OP)

The strong taking from the weak is literally how nature works though. Even among predators might makes right. It´s the idea of fairness that is man made. Civilization opposes nature yet in order to do so civilization needs to ensure it´s own continuous existence even if that means trampling over individuals.

This is to say that no, Civilization is not actually fair, it just uses the idea of fairness and equality to preserve itself. A lie without which it would collapse. The truth is not kind, the truth is no one deserves anything, not even to live, you just happen have the luck or the strength to make it so until you don´t. Still, thanks to civilization and the transmission of accumulated knowledge and wealth we can measure that time in years rather than days.

>>721196897
>there's wilderness zones they can live in if they want to be free
No there aren't. Those are called National Parks and you're not allowed to build homes there. If you try, they'll arrest you and burn it down.
Homeless people are prevented from ever building anything that lasts because if they do we destroy it.
That's why they live out of tents they can move instead of building shanty towns.

>>721195041
We have people in charge who are empowered to use sane judgement instead of slavish adherence to letters of law. We also don't have lawyers, and we dont write our laws in ways where you need laywers to quibble over them.

So in the example given, someone would make a judgement as to whether the individuals involved were indeed behaving exploititavely. We would take into account both the effort made in bringing the scarce resource and making it available, as well as the motivation in doing so, as opposed to quibbling over the technicalities of what words on a paper say like Jews.

>>721197015
Well homeless lovers love blaming capitalism, sorr-fucking-y. It's mostly genetic, shit parents make shit kids. There's also flophouse leftists who were conditioned into rebelling, however they're all low IQ which is probably a bad genetics too.

>>721197334
What you're talking about is arbitrary. It's anarcho-tyranny and it's exactly the kind of environment that favors scamsters like the jews.

>>721196897
>The public land is for taxpayers and law abiding citizens
By this asinine argument the police ought to be gunning down the pet dogs that people bring to these public lands. They're not citizens nor are they paying taxes, after all.

>>721190752
>If a fine compensates the damage done, there's no need for a higher penalty.
This assumes the kind of damage that can be fully undone with money.
It's also worth considering the the perpetrator who is emboldened by fines he can easily afford is going to be offending more frequently, but is not necessarily going to be caught. So the possibility of uncompensated damages rises significantly.

>>721195392
>>721197217
The simulation argument is really strange, in my mind I can't help but rationalize the simulation as a part of objective reality, so the distinction gets real muddy for me. After all, games, etc. are running on physical hardware, which itself is a part of our physical reality, the circuits and data they transmit are real and measurably tangible.
Maybe it just depends on how granular you want to go with the idea.

>>721197546
>This assumes the kind of damage that can be fully undone with money.
True. If it's not possible, then there's a strong argument that a fine is not the right punishment.

>>721196971
What I'm saying is would you want that near you you thick fuck. Public land is on others people's doorsteps. If you wouldn't want it near you than you shouldn't want it near others. Leftists love crying NIMBY but would never want that shit in their back yards.

>>721197635
Star ocean 3 did it well where a society so incomprehensibly advanced developed the tech to create an entire reality and watch it like entertainment.

>>721197536
I don't agree with his argument, but yours is more asinine than his is. Dogs are there under the auspices and supervisions of their owners. It is the owner making use of the land.

>>721197682
>Public land is on others people's doorsteps.
Except it's not. That's why it's public land. It's separate from private property, which is where said peoples doorsteps reside.

>>721195184
I think if you get to that age and don't know not to behave in ways that benefit yourself in detriment to the tribe, the tribe does not need you.

My definition of crime would not include "fucking up". An accident is not a crime, unless it is done with malice or criminal negligence(ie indifference as to whether the behavior will cause harm).

Now forming factions WILL be treated as a major crime. We are only going to tolerate one faction in my society. You are either a member of the society or you can get out. Anyone caught forming factions WILL be dealt with severely.

>>721197635
What comes after quantum computing?

>>721197536
Shit argument, dogs are not people. It's an abstract statement, something I'm guessing you're too dumb to understand. To be blunt I don't want junkies squatting in areas designed for normal people to enjoy.

>>721197832
>To be blunt I don't want junkies squatting in areas designed for normal people to enjoy.
What the fuck would you know about areas normal people enjoy? You haven't touched grass in thirty years.

>>721197130
Reality doesn't work like a videogame, because in videogames resources spawn out of thin air. It's a retarded analogy and centrally planned economies are much better than letting a faggot megacorp control 97% of all supply.

>>721187684
cope turdnigger

>>721197217
Damn accurate

>>721197375
If you were raised under the exact circumstances do you think you would have turned out differently?
I'm not trying to prod you, but I would like to know if you have a stance on who should bare the blame in your scenario.

>>721196897
>public land is for taxpayers and law abiding citizens
Homeless people ARE law abiding taxpayers. Which is to say there's nothing inherently illegal about being homeless and they pay exactly as much tax as they're required to by law. Which is basically just sales tax because they have no income or property.
>d-drugs
I didn't say homeless people never break the law. I said there's nothing inherently illegal about being homeless. It's becoming harder and harder for them to find a legal way to survive, but for the time being it's still not actually illegal to be homeless.

>>721197828
Predictive computing. Instead of computations done instantaneously they're already done by the machine before you even know to use it.

>>721195824
Not an argument

>>721197269
Well there is some who like in the woods on my country, maybe wilderness zone means something else in the states. Regardless most can't survive out of the city, and the ones that can are ironically not horrible people.

>>721197942
>because in videogames resources spawn out of thin air

Have you seen our whole economic system?

>>721191191
Which is wrong, because there were several advocates that were pushing for them to maintain their autonomy, and pretending that it was only to pay for the Seven Years War is a disingenuous attempt at deflection when quite literally the taxes were introduced after the conclusion of the French and Indian War.

>>721197798
Go away Destiny.

Reminder that everyone who hates the WOTL translation is ESL

>>721195943
>Also, natural resources were free for the taking. Nobody claimed ownership of the fruit on the trees or the ground beneath your feet.
Your tribe did, and if some other tribe came along and tried taking resources from your tribe's territory you killed them. And if you found some other tribe sitting on resources you wanted you killed them. And vice versa.

>>721198191
Who? I'm not some fucking stripper that cucked you, retard. By how we zone our shit, public land just outright is not on private property. People's doorsteps are on private property.

>>721197771
Right, but at what point does it actually matter if it's a simulation or not, unless there's magic involved. If there's magic involved I guess it makes sense. I feel like when people say "we're in a simulation" it's implying we're not in objective reality, when we would necessarily need to be in, in some way for there to be a simulation at all.
>>721197828
I dunno, sticks and stones maybe.

>>721197929
This isn't r/gamingcirclejerk, many people here go outside. Your perpetually online ass treats the homeless like they are in video games, people done wrong by society. In reality they do society wrong.

>>721196579
No. Freedom is for members of the tribe in good standing. The junkies should just be given one final dose of drugs and be put to sleep for the betterment of the rest of us.

>>721194346
It was a poor finale that was far too rushed for what message it was trying to settle on, but I enjoyed the ride of the cartoon Pantheon.

>>721198063
Correct, it was a request.

>>721197015
Genetic disposition can be dealt with by disposing of those with bad genes.

>>721194564
>I'm not a Trump supporter, I'm a libertarian.
That is such a fucking pathetic excuse and literally you coping out of admitting to voting for the fat orange fuck.

>>721198339
>This isn't r/gamingcirclejerk
I don't even know what the fuck that is. I had to go google that shit up.
It's no surprise to me that a fucking redditor is infiltrating this place. Fuck off back to there.

>>721198225
Sure but nobody in your tribe stopped you from picking some fruit or building a home because "everything south of that rock belongs to Steve".
You only owned what you yourself cultivated.

>>721198184
They should have killed them all, sadly they didn't.

>>721198459
I've never voted for him. Why would someone who believes in a free market support a lifelong democrat like Trump?

>>721197269
>we should get rid of our national parks and nature perserves to build hovels for junkies!

>>721197994
I'm me and I'll never be anyone but me. If somehow I magically had shit parents I'd still be fine cause I'm not retarded. Maybe a slower start, but shit parents wouldn't lower my potential. As I said awhile earlier ITT poor people have bottomless apatites, even if you gave them millions they'd consume it instantly.

>>721197660
>If it's not possible, then there's a strong argument that a fine is not the right punishment.
That's a fair point, but there is potentially a gray area where an offense is not serious enough to warrant more than a fine, but still causes harm that is not easily measured in terms of dollars, or easily remedied.
But negating the crime to zero isn't really the point. Fines play a role in deterring activities which are detrimental but are not serious enough to warrant incarceration. This is beneficial to society in theory, but less so when they can simply be ignored. Then only the poor are deterred. In that case, the fine is not doing the job it is supposed to, and worse, it is directly contrary to another important function of society: that justice should be blind.

>>721198450
Who is the arbiter of what constitutes a good gene and a bad gene? This is kind of a gay sophistric question, but genuinely, do we all hold a vote or something? Who runs the polls for this vote? It's kind of turtles all the way down unfortunately.

>>721197454
Not if you make sure the people in charge or members of the same tribe as the people they rule over, and you don't allow members of hostile tribes into your society in the first place.

>>721198563
Because no fucking market is truly "free" hence why the "memelord" wanted all the EV subsidies removed but wanted to keep all the carbon tax credit shit because he was already established and had financial stability compared to any other company just getting into EVs. Libertarians like yourself type words you never truly mean or put any effort into supporting.

>>721198571
That's not what I said dipshit.

>>721198585
>Maybe a slower start, but shit parents wouldn't lower my potential.
The argument you (I assume its you because you replied to that anon asking >>721197375) was that "shit parents make shit kids". By that logic your potential would not factor in at all.

>>721198001
There's shelters and public housing, things they get kicked out of. They can't live amongst normal people, they shouldn't be squatting amongst them either. These are not innocent people I want as neighbours.

>>721198812
He believes he's an exception, not the rule, only other people should follow his retarded logic.

>>721197798
You are taking "doorstep" too literally, and probably on purpose. When people use that word they are referring to a general vicinity, not their literal doorsteps. Something that is close enough to negatively impact the person in question, or cause discomfort and fear.
But again, I think you know this.

>>721198629
I think almost every crime should have a restorative fine component, even if there are other punishments. Poors should be enslaved to pay damages when they kill someone's family member.

>>721198701
People can and do screw over their own tribe.

>>721198754
Carbon taxes are an externality issue that many free marketers are fine with.

>>721198327
As I said go away Destiny, easy it up on the Adderall too would ya.

>>721198489
I don't support private ownership of land. All land by rights belongs collectively to the tribe, as the military force that defends that land comes from the tribe collectively. All land by rights belongs to the military.

>>721198892
Then you don't believe in a true free market good to see you allow "issues" to ruin your pure free market for really shallow and garbage reasons. Bioshock really wasn't wrong huh.

>>721198585
>I'm me and I'll never be anyone but me. If somehow I magically had shit parents
If you had different parents you wouldn't be you. There is no "you" that exists independent of genetics.

>>721198974
This is objectively inefficient due to the tragedy of the commons. It's simple game theory.

>>721199037
>Then you don't believe in a true free market
Wrong. Externalities inherently violate the NAP.

>>721184918
>Bashe was supposed to be the original main character
Basch was never the main character at any point during development, it's entirely a myth that has been perpetuated by retards ever since the game's release. It's true that Vaan was made into a twink to appease corporate higher ups but at no point was he not intended to be the main character.

>>721184060
As a citizen i am not supposed to influence governmental decisions, i elect a professional who influences decisions. It's the fat gist of how it works.
I do not know how you and your friends became convinced that a parliamentary democracy means that you get to have a say on what happens in your country.

In serious countries there are measures in place to minimize the amount of retards getting into decision making positions so the fact there are retards everywhere isn't such a fatal problem.
Now social media kind of fucks that system up because suddenly the retards get to speak in public and influence things. There lies your problem the one you're complaining about.

>>721198698
The tribe. A good gene contributes to the survival and replication of the tribe's genes as a whole. A bad gene does the opposite. That's how social animal species, of which Homo sapiens is one, work.

>>721198812
I'm me, I can't be someone else as I said. A person created by two shit parents isn't me. In some magical hypothetical world where I somehow retain persona but live with different parents (well single mother and jailed dad) I still have my persona and all my potential. As I said it's not the system it's that they are shit people. Low IQ and high aggressiveness is genetic, I don't have those garbage traits so I'll never be in their shoes.

>>721199043
>There is no "you" that exists independent of genetics.
Weird statement, do the experiences that mold a person over the course of their life not contribute?

>>721198871
He's a disingenuous liar so I'm just comparing him to a famous manlet of similar disposition.

>>721198892
>People can and do screw over their own tribe.
And that is why you take people who do so, and either expel them from the tribe or execute them in a way to make an example.

>>721199161
What constitutes "the tribe" today in this context?