Thread 721167287

Explain to me why this part is bad without exposing yourself as a shitter by crying about muh difficulty.

>>721167287 (OP)
because it's a furfag game?

>>721167287 (OP)
>takes more than 1/4 of the screen
>each has attacks that take more than 1/4 of the screen

>>721167287 (OP)
Because the arena is so small that any attempt to avoid one puts you in proximity of another. Both do 2 mask damage so your health is functionally cut in half. And the only saving grace is that the bench is next door so you can at least bash your head against the wall with efficiency

>tell me your opinon so i can shittalk to you, namecalling, etc.
Why don't you do something productive for once?

>>721167467
>bugs
>fur
Are you stupid?

The combat and movement is the second best part of this game, I don't know why so many complaints center around it. Sucks that there is little space left for genuine criticism of the game's "quests" and shards and story.

>>721167609
>What is object permanence.
Come on anon, this is a skill even my house cat has

>>721167287 (OP)
It's bad because it belongs to a shit game with an unearned cult following of trannies that have like 5 threads in the catalog dedicated to it instead of sticking to their main one because they're attention-whoring parasites.

This fight is easy if you just get help from an ally or use Architect, but that doesn't explain how it's acceptable to just flood 75% of the screen with flailing massive enemies and if you touch them you lose 2 health.

It's profoundly lazy and complete whiplash coming off absolute kino like First Sinner into utter garbage like this.

>>721167287 (OP)
Gauntlets are usually made out of enemies you are familiar with but in a difficult situation, to test your skill. Introducing completely new heavyweight enemies in a gauntlet and then filling most of the screen with them is a bit scummy.

>>721167287 (OP)
It's not, it's cool. I enjoyed it.
I can imagine the complaints come from act 2 being a bit more free form, so if a person goes
>dancers-clawline-high halls
without exploring other places they probably get a big spike that catches them off guard.

>>721167287 (OP)
That part is awesome. On some level I understand the complaints though because its a sequel to Hollow Knight, and that game had almost no mandatory difficult parts (this made the game boring btw)

>>721167796
the cult following sticks to the /comfy/ threads
the other threads are made by people trying to bait and farm (you)s

>>721167774
My point is that you are fucked if caught in the middle obecause there are a lot of cases you have nowhere to go

>>721167987
stay out of the middle + I'm pretty sure you stay safe by wall jumping

>>721167287 (OP)
I didn't really care about it, but I assume it's because you don't really get to learn the big guy's attacks outside of this, and the game expects you to take on two at once. The rest of the gauntlet isn't that hard imo, it's these two guys at the very end that will lead to 99% of your deaths. Easiest way to deal with them is to quickly burst down one with tools and silk skills so that you have to only deal with one. That, or you just get Shakra to help, which removes all difficulty from the gauntlet.

>>721168145
Staying in the corner still means that you lose half of the arena when they arent attacking. One of them jumping towards you forces you in the middle again (if the other doesnt block your path, which he usually is)

>>721167764
>The combat and movement is the second best part of this game
The combat and movement are dogshit in Silksong. The reason you think otherwise is that you are an uninformed newfag NPC that has never played a game with actually good combat and movement, so you have no frame of reference for what constitutes bad/good combat and movement.
This is the entire Silksong discourse in a nutshell: people who actually play video games compare it to the good ones and find it lacking, while mentally-ill soulstroons like the OP argue against "muh difficulty" strawman, something no one actually complains about.
>hurr durr, when people say that whatever element of the Silksong is poorly designed, they mean it's too difficult,"
No, troon, they don't.

>>721167287 (OP)
The attacks of each one of them covers 50% of the arena, and now there are two of them. You can't dash because you will bump into one of them because you have no space. And worst of all, they have a billion health. I don't know why any enemy is a damage sponge in this game.

>>721167287 (OP)
It's great, music is kino and by that point you should be able to deal with everything the room throws at you. Big hammer niggas can be cheesed out with tools and there's two spots where they can never touch you.
Shit you can even get rid of the kkk robots before the fight and have shakra show up to help you.
Extremely generous fight

>>721167287 (OP)
Because it's boring and uncreative

Only thing good about this game is the brap webm

>>721168369
What games have better combat and movement than Silksong, in your opinion ?

>>721167774
>What is object permanence
Do you even know what that term means?

>>721167287 (OP)
because it tricks you into using all of your tools at the half way point of the fight the first time you get there

>that upgrade hidden under the Whiteward elevator that you have to bench warp in order to get
Legitimately fucking evil.

There's an even worse fight than this in act3 where you get locked up with 2 void infected big fuckers in Greymoor that throw spears, jump, dash and burrow. Absolute ass cancer right near the start of act 3

>>721167764
What's the BEST part then? I felt like movement and SOME of the bosses are the best aspects of the game.

>>721168369
sorry this game doesn't have enough iframe dodge rolls for you

>>721167287 (OP)
park on the top of the wall and spam attack with reaper crest. they can't get you and you can tap them when they do the stupid jump attack.

I spent a good amount of time in this gauntlet, and though I was extremely weak (6 mask, 1 nail upgrade, no use of tools, no double jump) I still managed to the to the last round pretty consistently. After I went and got the double jump, I got 7 masks, completed the pinmasters' oil quest, and got the tacks and the poison from shellwood. After that, it took me 2 or 3 tries maximum.

Still, I think the last round was really poorly designed. I am not the best at videogames, and I messed up a lot of times, but RNG often backed me into a corner with no way to get out and just wait for the inevitable. The only strat I had left was to keep them both on one side, spam the Tacks and burst down one of them, essentially cheesing the fight.

When the only way to make a fight not pure cancer is to cheese it, then it's bad game design. The only thing you need to fix it is to spawn them with a little time apart so you can at least get a chance to lower one without resorting to cheese.

>stick drift making hornet randomly walk and cancel my sprint
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>721167621
This.
OP is just looking for people to berate. That's been the case for most silk song fans

>>721169169
I knew there was something in there. So what, I just lower the elevator, go back up, call it, throw myself down, and fetch it? I don't see how I have to kill myself to bench wrap.

>>721168380
>damage sponge
I threw some thumbtacks on the floor and they died in seconds

>>721167287 (OP)
They're just throwing stuff at you instead of something interesting.

>>721169169
You don't have to benchwarp, it's just faster
I'm surprised so many people missed it. Checking under and above elevators is the first thing that comes to mind in games like this

>>721167612
>any attempt to avoid one puts you in proximity of another
you can wall cling to either wall and neither of them can hit you with any of their attacks. if you feel you need some time to reorient yourself and catch your breath you can wall cling for as long as you need

>>721167287 (OP)
>game boils down to retry until the rng attack patterns allow you to survive long enough to beat it
>in short game boils down to rng

>>721169169
if it's the one I'm thinking of can't you just ride the elevator down to the bottom, go through the area a bit until you reach the mid level elevator shaft openings, climb up the shaft, call the elevator back up and while it's coming back up just jump down the shaft and dip into one of the mid level openings as it passes, then jump down again? no bench warp needed

>>721167287 (OP)
Because it could’ve been a single, cool boss, perhaps one based off of the giant knights you fight near songclave. Instead, “here’s 8 waves of enemies you already fought and 2 waves of a mini boss you haven’t fought, one of them halfway through the gauntlet just to make you think the waves are over. Kek, they aren’t.”

It could have been its own watcher knights with the orange club guys as well. Now it’s just a glorified gauntlet and easily forgettable/cheeseable with tools and Shakra.

>>721167287 (OP)
it's tedious
It's a gimmick you need to figure out how to beat them both, and if you don't figure it out you quickly die. You need time to figure it out, and you only get this time after going through a long gauntlet. It's basically just very punishing and makes it a tedious mechanic.

>>721167287 (OP)
Rather boring ngl

>>721167985
>No TRUE scotsman-

>>721167764
The combat and boss design is pretty fine on its own. But then you have shit like the filler gauntlet before Karmelita, the filler gauntlet before Krab King, last two Lace fights have a cutscene/animation before the fight.
A bunch of small bumps on the road that turn pretty annoying pretty fast.

can I unlock all maps/stations in Act 2?

For me, it's booby trapped benches.

finally beat the Last Judge
Fuck me, what a clutch win, I'm not good at this game, but still have a lot of fun. I do like the parkour sections though and think they are not too hard (til now).

>>721167668
Explain THIS then

>>721167287 (OP)
It's not bad. It's just annoying when you die to the main challenge (two big guys) and have to redo the boring part (gauntlet) over and over again.
Same with Groal. His fight is fine, it's just annoying when you have to fight all the mooks each time.

>>721167287 (OP)
But it's not bad?
A genuinely cool segment that makes good use of both movement and crowd control.
Also it's cool that you can have one of multiple NPC companions assist you in the battle depending on your quest progress with them.

>>721171218
yea

>>721167287 (OP)
Did people really struggle with this?

>>721172012
It would seem a lot of people beelined straight to it without having upgrades / learning how to spam tools yet.

>>721171527
I hope they remove the gauntlet entirely, that alone combined with making the secret bench accessible from the other side would help the fight a lot.

>>721172392
I really don't know what they were thinking with this shit. I've known so many people that are afraid to use tools because they're worried about running out of shards.

>>721172460
It's literally just a rosary sink to make rosary worthwhile the entire game. Why these australian bastards thought this was a good idea is beyond me

it's a solution for something that wasn't even a problem

>>721172460
The only argument I've seen where shards make sense is to balance the ability of architect being able to refill tools without needing to sit at a bench by making it limited so you don't have infinite tools on each boss attempt. However, the exact same thing could be done by making architect instead only let you refill tools 2 or 3 times before you need to sit at a bench to refill that. That way you remove the possibility of grinding if you run out of shards while still keeping architect from being too powerful.

>>721172460
Unless you're deliberately skipping enemies. Or using tools for every single kill. How wouldn't your shards be continually rising at pretty much all times outside of bosses?
I never farmed for shards. And I did frequently use tools versus extra large enemies or when they could score easy multi kills. Or just against whatever whenever I was at the shard cap.
Which I was for most of the time unless I had just recently fought a boss or some gauntlet.

>>721172795
Architect crest can be used to cheese almost every boss/gauntlet in the game. Cog flies OP as hell, even more with poison. What, the boss summons minions? Summon your own!

>>721167287 (OP)
>stuck at this gauntlet
>other option is bilewater but I'm stuck at the boss there too
what do I do...

>>721167287 (OP)
I never got to it because the first ten hours are boring as fuck. if it's so good, I shouldn't have to play through so much absolute trash to get to it.

>>721173073
Some of the tools use a lot of shards like the Cogflies and that one that lets you buff yourself.

>>721173310
Spam tools. When stuck against overwhelming odds, just spam tools.

>>721167725
If you progress to act 3 without duelling Shakra, do you ever get her hunter's journal entry?

>>721173425
Even with Cogflies and such. Why ever use more than one at a time if you're just up against regular enemies?

>>721173754
Don't think so, but her Journal entry isn't required for for any completion marks or achievements like the hunter's memento since her fight is missable.

>>721167287 (OP)
It's bad because the devs had to balance it around Shakra. For the average /v/ player, it'll probably be too easy with her and too hard without her.

>>721172754
I think the cannon is rosary sink enough

>>721172460
That's hoarder mentality, the kind of people that would finish a game with loads of items because they were afraid to use them all. I've seen a guy with the max cap of shard bundles (I didn't even knew there was a cap) and still rarely used tools.

>>721173541
I don't have any more shards, I spammed too much...

just did lost lace
my fingers hurt

Man mods make the game so much more enjoyable it's unreal
No more boss runbacks for me!

>lose to a boss
>have to run back through the WHOOOOOLE area filled with enemies back to it
legit what the fuck were they thinking
even dark souls 1 figured this shit out 14 years ago

You can burst one down in a few seconds if you have the red bomb pimplio thing.

Why the fuck half the "bosses" are just 5 waves of enemies? What were they doing for 7 years?

>>721169202
The art.

>>721167287 (OP)
It's based and Morkhog pilled
https://www.patreon.com/posts/139192969

It's such a minor certainly largely insignificant thing.
But there is no way that they'll forget to add new title screens with the DLCs, right? I quite liked a lot of the title screens that Hollow Knight's DLCs added.

>void powered ants
I fucking hate this game so much

this game fucking sucks insanely hard

>>721172460
I use tools a lot, but it really sucks to have to halt progress to stop and farm beads to buy bundles. With Grindle's thief charm and left to to the First Shrine you can easily get 150~ beads in one clear, and you can get infinite pouches from Jubilana.
But still, those things don't last. If they were balanced around one crest, maybe the crest should've been rebalanced.

>>721176970
fucking lmao
First time I sat on this bench I reacted the fucking second I heard something. You can break the wall to the left and disable the trap.

>>721167287 (OP)
I wouldn't say it's bad but it's probably the part of the game where people most often resort ot cheese.
Depending on damage upgrades it seems impossible to do normally without wall cheese.
It's easy to miss the npc helper too.

Actually I think the big guys' jumping attack animation is the main culprit. It doesn't really make sense that they jump up and come down without swinging and only swing after they touch down. All the force of jumping is like wasted that way.

>>721177210
i did react by dashing, hence why the character is to the right and not on the bench's position, but it did fuck all because there is no way to tell if the trap will come from the left or from the right
this game makes hornet feel like such a weakling
everything 2 hits and you need to hit worthless fucking, flying booger size enemies 4-5 times to fucking kill them

>>721167287 (OP)
>play through the game again knowing where all the stuff is
>the pacing is actually pretty good now and the player gets power ups fairly regularly
>bosses aren't so bad when you can be aggressive
>early game is pretty fun and impactful with how you get stronger
>get to Act 2
>everything drags to a halt again, even with foreknowledge

And before anyone >of course game gets easier when you know everything, retard, that's kind of the point. It feels like the game is stretched out unnecessarily. For a first-timer, there's too much ground to cover, too much to explore. It's padded out way too much. It ONLY feels good when you don't have to waste time exploring and getting pounded by spikes and dumb enemies. And there's really no salvation for Act 2. You can blast through it pretty easily if you're speedrunning, but if you want ANY fun tools, you have to go way out of your way for most, if not all, of them.

The game is paced super weirdly, which was a problem HK had. It needs to be compressed, badly. Way too much fat (like ur mum).

>>721177210
same. I was lucky enough to dash to the correct side however

>>721167287 (OP)
Beat them first try today. Just use the walls guys. You can bunch them together then zip over them. Then shoot the shit out of them with daggers or someshit

>>721177898
I said more or less the same in other threads, but you can't possibly dare to criticize this masterpiece in any way shape or form. Retards on /v/ will seethe in its defense until they move to the next current thing and years down the line they look back with objectivity and they see truth for what it is.

>>721177898
Like the greatest shmup player said
>Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away

>>721167287 (OP)
>probably the longest arena having around 8 to 10 phases even though most of them have 5 or 6
>introduces new enemy you never seen before, tricking you to think it is the last phase of the fight.
>in the actual final phase it throws two of the new enemy you just fucking met
>they attack at random intervals which is hard to maintain any sort of strategy besides praying
>their animations are deceptively fucking shit, because when they raise their staffs to charge an attack you can actually dash trough it, but you wouldn't know because every enemy in this stupid game does 2 ticks of damage for no good reason and there is no way you are going to risk that on purpose
> the only way to have an advantage in this fight with a partner, either the map bug or the old dude, is by going out of your way and complete heir side quests by accident.

In short the game is filled with shitty design that people will praise for being hard when in fact it is just annoying and poorly thought out, that goes for almost everything in this game. i am having fun but I ain't going to pretended it is some masterpiece.

>>721167287 (OP)
idk I just used tools and decimated one of them before they even got to attack once

>>721177898
>>get to Act 2
>>everything drags to a halt again, even with foreknowledge
I suppose it depends on how you explore. So maybe some luck is involved. But the pacing for me picked up a fair bit with act 2.