Thread 721169807

It's completely insane that basedllennials ever considered this a bad game. The werehog sections are completely inoffensive action gameplay, and the day stages are hype as fuck. The sun medals are just well hidden enough that it's satisfying to find them without having to look them up in a guide. The setting and OST have yet to be surpassed in the series.

I think it's neat. However, I'd like to see one put a "leash" on Sonic in the first place! Quite a difficult task I would imagine!

P.S. Not to mention as a werewolf!

Werehog stages run on for too long, with that damn battle music, and rely on platforming with instant-death pits for its challenge.
I don't think I ever died from running out of HP as Werehog, but dying because the game decided your stretchy arms are not locking onto that ledge, countless times.

>>721169807 (OP)
Some of the medals are complete bullshit, hidden in places you have no reason to ever look, which would be fine if they weren't required to fucking progress.

>>721170968
>how DARE they make me stop and explore the levels in the game I spent 60 bucks on
Game journo logic

The 2000s Sonic games were hated for a reason and no amount of zoomer nostalgia will change that.

>>721172090
It's a fucking Sonic game, I bought it to platform and go fast

People will defend pure dogshit just because they played it as a kid.

The recomp with mods fixed a lot of the problems I had with the game, I still have few nitpicks with it but overall it's an enjoyable experience now.

Biggest problem the game had was not being well optimized on 360 and REALLY unoptimized on PS3. With the game actually running well on newer Xbox's or the recomp it becomes a much better game. Still has some faults, that leveling system forces the werehog to not be as fun as he can be until later, and some of his levels could definitely have been shorter.

The game was nearly unplayable on PS3 and still ran ass at times on 360.
The Werehog has a lot of fundamental combat problems (no cancels or alternating between attack strings, enemies have too much health, moves are unlocked too slowly, Fury barely exists as a mechanic, battle music overrides the fantastic level music, constant artificial barriers to force you to play slowly, ranking system is ass) that fan mods had to fix.
The collectibles were too aggressive about blocking content.
The story was kinda ass outside of the beginning and ending (yes, this matters)

The PC port is a lot better than playing the game as it actually released. It got more hate than it deserved, but it was still not all that good.

>>721169807 (OP)
It's honestly insane to me that people in the 2010s lauded unleashed as dogshit and then sucked off colours like it "saved" sonic. people deserved frontiers seeing as that shit was just colours again gameplay wise

>>721177082
Colors was really good. It's not Sonic at all, but it was a fun little platformer with great art direction and good music and strong level design. Posting the ugly ass broken remaster doesn't change that.

>>721173880
Yeah, playing through the recomp really made me appreciate the game more. I remembered lightly enjoying it, even the Night stages to a degree, but the recomp fixed my biggest problems with the game and made me genuinely enjoy it.
Played a lot of Sonic games, Unleashed (Recomp) is the first time I've ever honestly wanted to S Rank stages and man, it was satisfying to do so. Only one I didn't get around to was Eggmanland but FUCK Eggmanland.
DLC Stages were also a lot of fun, never played those before. Almost felt like a kaizo hack at times, crazy that those are official.

>>721177562
Most of the 3D Sonic games are like this under the surface. Heroes is way more fun when you mod in SA2 physics and remove the plastic sheen. Shadow's game is still kinda fucked with the fan mod, but it's kinda fun. Generations and Forces are significantly better with fan-made control overhauls.

No saving 06 or Lost World though. And Frontiers is still pretty ass even with heavy modding.

>>721177821
Project 06 bro.

>>721178916
Project 06 doesn't fix the terrible level design, the only fix for 06 is to rebuild it as a completely different game

>>721178916
P-06 is a new game wearing 06's skin. It doesn't control like 06 at all.

>>721180025
>talk about modding Heroes's physics
>Shadow's physics
>Generation's physics
AND
>Forces physics
>but modding 06 physics, omg that's like a new game what's the point?
>>721179750
Level design is manageable, better physics can make traversing even a Forces stage interesting.

>>721170968
A medal detector or having extra medals would fix this

>>721180858
>modding 06 physics
There is no modding of 06's physics. There is no 06 code there at all. It just has the assets, nothing else. Adjusting what was already there is very different from creating something from whole cloth. When you make Heroes have less ridiculous acceleration, you're only putting a modifier on the existing game systems, tweaking it. Stuff like P-06 is just an entirely different game system altogether.

It's like saying Frontiers is Sonic Adventure 2 just because it has Radical Highway and Metal Harbor's level geometry.

>>721181247
Okay, and the main point was base 06 was shit down to its base systems and mechanics, and better iterations on that are equal to mods, if not better because it's new systems that aren't optimized like dog shit. Whether it's modded 06 or a new engine and code made from the ground up, it's a better version OF 06.

>>721181430
You can make any "game" better by just making a new game reusing its assets. The point was that you can't adjust Lost World or 06. You have to make a new game. Adjusting some variables can't improve them meaningfully. It has to be ground up in their case

>>721181761
AM2R did just that, and follows the same logic.

>>721181841
Yeah, and it kicks ass.
It isn't Metroid 2, though.

>>721182068
So Returns is more of a 2 remake than AM2R, because of official licensing, going by your logic?

>>721182161
No? Samus Returns also isn't Metroid 2. Are you stupid?

>>721169807 (OP)
Unleashed deserves the rep it gets.
Day stages are kino, and are still some of the best boost stages in the series, given how long boost has stuck around for. Everyone knows that though which's why nobody complains about the day stages.

DLC day stages are also very fun and well designed; it's a shame there aren't more day levels that amp up the difficulty aside from jungle joyride and eggmanland.

Werehog does bring down the game because the night stages aren't as fun as the day ones. Werehog combat has little depth, enemies and bosses are simplistic and forgettable, levels last way too long even when you skip all the optional fights, the stretchy limb platforming is a cool idea though.

Instead of doing Werehog, Sonic Team should have made night stages be a gimmicky/harder version of the day stages.
Following the concept of act 1/2 in the genesis games and hero/dark in adventure 1/2 (and by extension heroes and shad05)

If Sonic Team really wanted to commit to the Werehog, the combat should have had more depth at a minimum. There's a reason people like the Werehog combat mods so much, and it's because vanilla Werehog is braindead simple, which makes him boring

>>721182494
So it's purely semantics.

>>721177821
Am I the only one that unironically likes the Shad05 physics? The game feels much better than Heroes and the highway levels are satisfying as fuck to just zoom by all the fighting going on between GUN and the ayys.

I do wish there were more uses for the spindash, and rail grinding wasn't dumbed down more though.
Expert mode is too damn good.

>>721182561
And what you were saying wasn't? Come on, man. You kept going after people said "p06 ain't 06, be real," you don't get to pull that.

it WAS a bad game when it released in 2008 but the quality of the average game has declined so much since then that by today's standards it's considered a great game

>>721183318
No?
>*You kept going after people saying
After you listed tweaked versions of games, with what's essentially fan patches. Getting uppity about it not being the true Sonic 06 experience, when I concede on that and explain that it's a fair and more fun facsimile. But you, (as the average Sonic fan), must always infer how it's not the true experience. You are doing the 'on-model' argument for game systems, which is arguably more autistic than on-model arguments, which are the MOST autistic Sonic adjacent topics on the board.

>>721183175
If the game didn't have a combat focus I'd like the vanilla controls. Reload makes him decelerate faster and turns the slide into a spindash, which I think fits the game a lot better.

Base game is a weird 6/10 because the good content's nice, but it forces you to engage with really bad extermination missions and won't let you level select Expert stages (and is too strict on unlocking them). Reloaded makes most of the enemy kill missions actually fun, which massively improves the game.

>>721183609
>I'm not arguing semantics
>[Throws down a paragraph of semantics]
Uh huh.

>>721183876
>fight fire with fire
>ah, why are you burning me hypocrite - flaming faggot
Yeah.

>>721183963
>Makes a stupid ass argument
>Tries to claim moral victory when logic isn't working out for him
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T POINT OUT I'M DOING THE EXACT THING I'M ACCUSING YOU OF AAAAA also I'm not mad here's a cigar pic to prove how not mad I am
You are addicted to internet arguments.
Please go outside.

>>721184206
>NOOOOOO-wojak speak
>>You are addicted to internet arguments.
>he says after engaging with said individual on what LE ACTUAL Sonic 06 is of his own volition, on a Saturday evening.
Glass house, retard.

>>721184350
I know. I'm trying to help you.
You have to stop this. It's not healthy.

>>721184620
Cope-overload.

>>721184694
>He slaps the hand away
It's been 10 years anon.
You need to wake up

>>721170490
>get the recompile
>turn battle music off
>stages suddenly feel a hell of a lot shorter

>>721184823
>*goes into ultra instinct in hyperbolic sleep*
>*slaps away gaywad's jab*
>*does instant transmission kamehehaaaaw*
>*slaps bulma's b*tt*

>>721177821
I kinda dig lost world especially the dlc stages.

>>721169807 (OP)
maybe people just had higher standards back then and you are now hyping up games that were considered mediocre to bad then because shit right now is just so much worse.

also the werehog stages ran like shit on consoles.

>>721185036
I definitely like some of the stages. Problem is half the game is tech demos/Sonic Team experiments larping as gimmick stages.

Sonic was never good

>>721169807 (OP)
Just like most sonic games people saying it's shit are exaggerating morons. I played the ps2 version back in the day and even replaying it now it's good, like msot sonic games are. Frontiers does suck though even I won't defend that one.

>>721188434
From my understanding, a lot of people actually think the PS2 version is the better game since it inadvertently addresses a lot of issues people have with the PS3/360 version.

>>721173072
And people will call pure kino dogshit becuase they didnt play it at all and got their opinion from a youtuber.

>>721189957
I played it myself up to the China level and it was mediocre. I'd rather play Sonic R.

werehog stags are fucking gay and retarded and you cant convince me otherwise.

>>721169807 (OP)
The problem is when I play this I want to play the fun day stages and to do that I have to play 30 minutes of werehog shit

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