Thread 721189790

Did you preorder the FFT Remaster yet?

>>721189790 (OP)
i dont know this game but its a fake screenshot, right?

I wonder if there's a correlation with IQ and the inability to comprehend that a character in a fictional piece of media holding opinions and making statements simply speaks of their personality, and does not inherently correlate to any belief system the game maker wants to push on the viewer
Does it have to do with the low intellect struggle to comprehend theory of mind? Theoretical ideas? Is it like their trouble with wondering "what if-" or the inability to consider fictional characters to be analogous to individuals with their own lives, personalities and sets of ideas being used to tell a story rather than simply text on screen representing the author?

I don't want to buy it because it costs too much.

>>721189790 (OP)
I did, but I think I regret it now and I should have gotten Dying Light the Beast or save the money for Little Nightmares 3. Both series I have never played before though.

>>721190252
Depends on how it's written.
Most games' dialog is not quite as eloquent as FFT.

And these days people are grasping at anything. If Godhand were released today I guarantee we'd have nigger worshipping leftists screaming about lack of diversity.

>>721189790 (OP)
He didn't say that, but he would.

>>721190252
To be fair, most writers are not intelligent or honest enough to give a fair presentation of viewpoints that differ from their own. Especially these days it's usually a soapbox for the author's views with opposing views presented as comical strawman.

>>721189790 (OP)
I'll buy it heavily on sale after they remove denuvo from it.

>>721189790 (OP)
Nope, won't buy. At most pirate after some years.

>>721189790 (OP)
OF cousre not, shill
FFT is a shit game and needs romhacks to fix it

Considering they're putting in malware on he PC version and given how utterly shit Tactics Ogre Reborn was and also removed content to fuck over players, I'd say your job as a shill needs to improve

>>721189878
>i dont know this game
Fuck off, underage.

>>721193964
im 18 but that game looks kinda old, like before i was born old

>>721189790 (OP)
Fuck yea

>>721194306
>competive

>>721193819
What romhacks fix it? What needs changes?

>>721189790 (OP)
preordering is for retards, there is no reason to ever do it
and secondly no. i will buy it when its £15, same as tactics ogre. i will not buy it for more than that doesn't matter how jewy squenix want to be they aren't getting my money for the prices they desire

>>721189790 (OP)
>remaster
>remake
>reboot
Sorry mate, I don't buy slop

>>721194458
NTA but all FFT "needs" is some QoL hacks like smart encounters, auto scrolling text and some minor balance changes.

>>721194467
>, there is no reason to ever do it
There is a pre-order exclusive white/red Ramza reskin.

>>721189790 (OP)
No, I already paid for my PSP copy about 17 years ago and my parents paid for my PS1 copy about 25 years ago
>b-but a bit more new dialogue approved by Matsuno!
Don't care, vanilla FFT was just fine and even if there's anything interesting I can check it on Youtube. Not paying $50 for yet another remaster, make a new fucking game already (but you didn't after PSP remaster and you didn't after TWO Tactics Ogre remasters).
They're also not changing class balance so I'm not missing out on gameplay either.

>>721189878
Don't worry, he's a bad guy

>>721194454
Its not competitive racism, just professional racism like what kirk did

The only way I would support the SE jews would be if the port released with a level editor or something. There was of course less than 0 chance of something that cool happening but I'm trying to paint a picture.

>>721194754
>smart encounters
Im old, I've been here forever. Ive never heard anyone use those words, and Google comes up with nothing. Explian?

>>721189790 (OP)
we need a "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism" version

>>721194458
Many romhacks unfuck the balance and useless jobs

>>721195362
Assembly hack you can apply that makes it so when you choose to travel to a dot that's blue (city/castle) you don't get an encounter. If you choose to travel to a green dot you 100% get an encounter.

>>721195320
would be kino if we got a mod kit like the old warcraft/starcraft kits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8TxAIonigs

>>721189790 (OP)
Do people somehow think that if capitalism didn't exist you wouldn't have to work to earn a living? Growing, gathering, or hunting for food to eat is working to earn a living and it's something every living creature on the planet does.

>>721195465
Yeah. We could see many cool things. Mods like that are too painful to develop right now.

>>721189790 (OP)
>two FFT threads up at the same time
>they're both fake redditor text boxes in the OP
>20 posts in and people are already starting to talk about IRL political slop
I guess we're never getting comfy FFT threads again. It's a shame. I know they were always infested with retards flinging shit over which translation was less bad, but I can't remember the last time we had a good one.

>>721189790 (OP)
matsuno slop

>>721195640
This thread was made when the other one was reaching the bump limit. It's an obvious attempt at continuing the same thread.
Just "derail" it and talk about FFT.

>>721195640
it was never comfy and matsuno political slop is his brainddead fanbases whole personality. ramza youre a faggot

>>721195640
Make a thread on /vr/ or /vst/ and get your discussion there
Sure, it won't get 500+ posts within a day, but it's better than what you describe

>>721195640
The other one has some serious shitposting in it lol. It's rare to see a thread that off-topic.

>>721195585
Good start, now check this out.
All systems are perfect and humans are grim in the system. Utopias happens without us, we cannot reach paradise. We aren't even the best at being humans.

>>721196063
stop pouring out the honey.

>>721195713
>It's an obvious attempt at continuing the same thread
that's what I was afraid of.

>>721195395
You'd think so, but not exactly. I've played many of those romhacks and the problem is around mid / late game the difficulty becomes so overbearing its basically unplayable.

Lots of those balance patches work in the early game and then are completely fucked mid / late game. If you have to follow a specific meta to survive in fights its not that great. They also require you to be a final fantasy tactics master and just know everything, and thats not enough to win either. That's just enough to play the game.

>>721196112
Hear ye, my grammatically challenged friend.

>>721196219
Seems like you're talking about FFT 1.3
Which was the hack that made everyone stop making overly difficult FFT hacks because they all understood how unfun, restricting and retarded it was.

Favorite music from FFT? Have they said whether the soundtrack is getting "remastered" or left alone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeWqG6EOo7E

>>721195640
>>20 posts in and people are already starting to talk about IRL political slop
That was obviously the intention of the OP

>>721189790 (OP)
If modders recreate their PSP & PS1 mods for the remake, which I do not expect any time soon of it happens at all, this will be a GotY contender for me

>>721190404
More

>>721196554
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2B9ocE5XXk

>>721189878
Yes he never says that. The start of the game is about a proletariat uprising due to nobles refusing to pay the soldiers after a war ended

>>721196554
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAB-e-ZSJq4

>>721189790 (OP)
Yes, but solely because it's my favorite game of all time and I would've gotten it regardless.

Otherwise, I wouldn't preorder anything.

>>721196389
I got to chapter 4 in 1.3 insane and stopped because it gets insanely unfun and cheaty. I liked the balance changes but it expects you to do tedious meta bullshit like stripping every enemy in story battles and using a level 1 character as a whipping boy to get JP without over leveling

>>721189790 (OP)
>preorder
lol
>remaster
lmao even

>>721196687
>proletariat uprising
Almost 100% that Weigraf and Miluda were operating under Dycedarg's orders? Its been a long ass time since I played FFT, but I distinctly recall them operating under orders from nobility and Weigraf fell in with thr Church after the rebellion fulfilled its purpose.

>>721196389
yeah thats the one I am talking about. I haven't tried that one that looks stupid, idk if its even real. Pretty sure it has cloud sephiroth, Ramza in a new king outfit, and mario + luigi could be there too. If there's a new FFT rom hack that you think is better I could try that out probably

>>721196554
I've listened to the original music so much I listen to covers and remasters. Here's 1 I think should get more views for the work they did on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kdXsfn0-7c

>>721196980
>Almost 100% that Weigraf and Miluda were operating under Dycedarg's orders
No

>>721197005
I hate this, it's like Disney did it. Not a fan. Delete.
I liked some FF9 song I saw a while ago though, can't find it though.

>>721197005
I haven't played any hacks for any real hours. I prefer opening the editor and making my personal hack that's just vanilla+

>>721197152
There is only one FF9 song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW4C4RVmN9s

>>721194754
>Smart encounters
That's built into the Enhanced version from what their previews have shown. No accidental city encounters blocking you, it's a separate selection. And control over encoutners on green dots, no random hits.

I should finish Tactics Ogre. I got to chapter 3 in Chaos but holy fuck the gameplay is so fucking slow and I can't brainmash my way through it because they capped leveling. I can mod it but I feel like a fraud if I do so.

>>721197152
Come on man they worked really hard on that and came up with lyrics before AI even existed. It's not like I listen to it everyday either

>>721197389
I love this song. It's me and my best friend's song. Ok maybe that last cover sucked but this FF9 medley is great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhD8iCf5QyY

>>721197476
Yeah you apply it independently of the usual editor and many hacks use it.

>>721196980
I don’t think the church enters the story until chapter 2 when they make their move to kidnap Ovelia, Wiegraf just joins up with the Church to avenge his sister after the Death Corps are put down at the Fort for the finale of chapter 1. Ramza gives Wiegraf shit for joining since he knows his sister wouldn’t approve and Wiegraf tells him to fuck off.

>>721197490
Make a Terror Knight or make Denam one, and give them a 2-hander that applies Breach.
It makes a big difference.

>>721197490
Aww Chaos is sadly less interesting than Law. But yeah I haven't played Reborn because it sounded pretty bad (both the OST remixes and the gameplay changes).

>>721197389
>There is only one FF9 song
Yes, and it's "You're Not Alone"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gw5NClKztU
Except that's a lie, because there are plenty of bangers in the FF9 soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ8on-Z2_eg

>>721197825
I meant that it was probable to have a vocal cover, I can see how it sounded now.

>>721197746
nta, but I love the gameplay changes and I think the OST in Reborn is the best version (with the exception of The Warren Report, which I light a bit better in the PSP version).

But I completely understand someone not liking the gameplay changes for Reborn, as it is a bit more "gamey", but I just personally enjoy it. Not going to be for everyone.

>>721189878
Yes, that's some stupid tranny made up shit.

>>721190252
This Shakespearean approach to storytelling, where each character has their own intrinsic motivations outside the will of the author, has become less and less common. Did you hear that zoomers can't read novels told in the third-person?

>>721197746
Law route is the most interesting narrative in Tactics Ogre.
FF Tactics is basically Chaos route of TO, but done way better.

>>721197941
Sure, though my favorite song Impregnable Fortress got absolutely destroyed and I will stand by that.

>>721197973
That's not a zoomer thing, really.
People getting mad at actors because of the CHARACTERS they play has been happening forever.
Misery (book from '87 and movie from '90) is an over-the-top version of a fan who takes the fiction too seriously as if it's real.

>>721197973
This is an anime & manga website. It isn't becoming less common at all in the stories anyone who belongs on this site are reading.
>Did you hear about subhuman normalfags
They're subhuman. They can't do anything.
>but what about light novel
Not anime or manga.

>>721197825
for me it's Garnet's theme
https://youtu.be/grv0UPAgZoI?si=7fb4GHhEhUmX6pOG

I have Border Village Dali as my phone ringtone & alarm though.

>>721197746
>>721197639
Ironically I like the story so far. It's mainly I want to know MORE about the story but I keep getting capped by these fucking ass annoying frusterating bullshit encounters with mage/archers shooting me from half the map away and me slowly having to gang up on them and eat their ass except oh no, got stupid and now one of my characters is dead oh well i'll just try to sweep the rest of the oh of course this dumb bitch misses my last attack and great canopus is dead dead now my choice is to go turbo back and see if I can do separate stuff to beat before canopus dies dies or just restart the battle FUCK
THIS GAMEPLAY IS SO ASS

>>721198141
People projecting their own emotions onto a fictional character, or treating them as if real (like falling in love with one), is a different phenomenon to what that anon was talking about—seeing characters solely as reflections of the author's ideology.

>>721197389
I was talking about a cover, this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgtAbaDk-0M

>>721197559
No way fag I hate it.

>>721198025
Impregnable Defense (or Wall of Defense... doesn't seem consistent naming, and I don't know what it should actually be)? Been awhile since I listened to it. I'm curious though, so gonna go through the different versions in a bit:

Ogre Battle/Tactics Ogre(SNES) version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pitih73euL8

Ogre Battle (PSX) version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R7K7ESYdMU

Tactics Ogre (LUCT-PSP) version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAhUgF7jOds

Tactics Ogre Reborn version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6HVhQmOz0E

>>721198329
I like having Canopus and a recruited Winged dude skip the terrain to deal with archers

>>721197559
>and came up with lyrics before AI even existed
Can you give a song to AI and have it write lyrics for it? That is cool as fuck if you can.

>>721198894
they do so little damage though. i have to do at least 3 turns + 2 guys ganging up on one guy to kill one dude i don't know if I'm doing something wrong though.
Was the PSP version like this too?

>>721198757
I was humming to this in my time playing the game a couple of months ago. I like the reborn one the most, did old fans dislike the new music?

>>721199021
The PSP version is a completely different beast but you definitely had way more options. You could even get spiderclimb scrolls to cast the ninjutsu if you had excess money.

>>721199173
Yeah I mean, where did the drum go? It was very vital.

>>721199173
is this AI

>>721199550
No it's the new job, Buster.

>>721190252
I have learned that the majority of writers don't even know what the fuck they write about half the time.
And you shouldn't either.

>>721199294
A lot of remastered music lacks the boom that older music had but in this case I like the newest one just because it's so well done, and the oldest ones are just too dated. The PSP one is kinda bad though imo.

>>721199550
yea

>>721199801
I strongly dislike the newer one because it sounds so deflated for a hype song.

>>721199550
No I took the photo.

>>721199919
SNES is your favorite then? I can dig it

>>721189790 (OP)
Nay, for I shall await a discount.

>>721200093
SNES or PSP. This one was always a vibe too and I don't hate Reborn's version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MK66sEqtJU

>>721195585
Those people just want others to do the work. Most anti-work people I know are "enlightened by their own intelligence" types and think the world just owes them.

>>721200429
Yeah this one is better than the Reborn version for sure.

>>721189790 (OP)
freedom isn't free. You are free to go out into the woods and forage, or if you want farmed and prepared foods you need to exchange something of value for it. We humans are social animals, a bee can be free insofar as separating from a colony, but they posses very little ability to extract nutrients and bee safe and sheltered on their own.
"earning a living", in the same sense, means you need to acquire the resources to grantee your survival, and as mentioned before we as a human social society will gladly barter or trade because we all need to support the system in order for everyone to be compensated and live, giving out for free means you have done nothing to earn the fruits of someone else's labor.

>>721195585
Earning a "living" in the modern era shouldn't even be considered work, it's so fucking easy to afford food it might as well be free. The problem with capitalism and government and whatever else is that you have to work for decades to afford things that should be basically free(land, housing).
No other animal is stuck paying rent and taxes and fees and other stupid scammy shit. Just us, the supposedly super intelligent animal. And the prices keep going up because we haven't had an expulsion in a while.

>>721201038
Materials for housing are not given by nature, unless you can make it with you bare hands. Turning a log into 2x4s isn't trivial and that work shouldn't be given away.

>>721201196
>Materials for housing are not given by nature
They quite literally are. And I understand what you're saying but you and I both know what I mean by "basically free". A house shouldn't cost even 10% of what it does in the west today. If we didn't have television rotting our brains there would be blood in the streets over the idea of working for decades to buy a fucking home.

>>721201038
Don't disagree with the sentiment, but there's a lot of nuance that's glossed over in this.

>>721201382
That I'll agree on.

>>721189790 (OP)
Why do these irrefutable truths upset /v/ so much?

>>721201445
you had to be there

>>721201445
/v/ hasn't learned the theory

>>721201442
>>721201441
Our great grandfathers would have shot the man asking for like $30,000 to build a fucking porch. And no one would have blamed him.

>>721201831
They would have just laughed at his face and gone to the next guy that charged a logical price. The shooting comes when those 2 decide to only sell it for 30k and bribe the authorities to make it hard for a third guy to come in and start selling cheap.

I think this thread helps explain why my pet peeve about why they might have decided for FFT IC wouldn't have remastered/orchestrated music, and just use the old PSX music.

I wasn't aware there were people who, as a whole, didn't like the newer versions of the tracks for Tactics Ogre. I imagine after that, they're more nervous for new versions of the FFT music.

They should've had both available as an option.

Side note: Revolt in TOR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Fula4vMek

>>721202206
>They should've had both available as an option.
As with most things

>>721190252
Interesting text coming from a pseud but consider for a moment that the author endorses these.

>>721189790 (OP)
Yes, because after the new FE announcement, I'd like to play more gridslop to get a broader taste for what the genre has to offer and I've seen Tactics shilled for decades

>>721195640
Is this a bot? Zero politics till this?

>not one negro child

FUCKING BASED

>>721202206
>1. The devs just want to use the original music.
Most likely imo
>2. They're just being cheap.
Plausible...
>3. They listen to fans who complain about new music
lmao no not a chance

yeah I hate the gameplay in this game, how do I cheese it? because holy fuck how is it fun getting melted by bosses that do 2x-3x your damage and everything moves twice as molasses

>>721203065
Reborn? Idk I heard Valkyries were overpowered because finishers work from MP now.

>>721198208
>>721197825
>>721198664
pussy music compared to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGRKls-EEqE

this is the expanded version of Kuja's theme which was only available in the original piano sheets of the game. They cut part of it out because they thought it would give away the twist that Kuja wasn't all that bad of a person really deep down somewhere.

>>721203324
>no lyrics
ngmi

>>721196980
No. The story doesn't become a black and white cartoon show until later. The first arc actually does have the political intrigue the fanboys pretend the rest of the game has.

>>721203324
they shoulda played that in the ending iifa tree rescue sequence

>>721202436
The Japanse writer of Final Fantasy Tactics endorses a fake screenshot made decades after the game came out by some teenager on an American website?

>>721203549
Is this a trick question?

>>721203514
yeah missed opportunity I suppose, or maybe they didn't want to do 1 more song. Weird because it would imply they they came up with the piano songs 1st, but I don't think anyones ever asked how they make music

>>721195389
>We need a cope image from people who are addicted to social media and Starbucks and have no real backbone or principles

Why?

I genuinely don't understand how anybody is capable of being mad at these quotes unless they're a rich asshole.

with these 2 threads i hope to god isometric tactics rpg become mainstream so we get more

>>721189790 (OP)
bro is based. fake or not

>>721203850
>>721201445
For the record, someone calling you annoying isn't them being mad.

I think people just get annoyed at the fact they're fake screenshots used to argue in bad faith. Not that the messages themselves are inherently objectionable.

But even then the messages are basically the same as "suffering is... bad :("

Do you want asspats for saying something so obviously self-evident? Here's a picture of a cookie for each of you I guess.

>>721203715
What part of that question is tricky for you? Maybe I can help break it down so you can understand it better.

>>721203906
I would love that, but let's be honest, it still remains a completely niche genre.
You need something much more to make it draw attention than a standard isometric tactics rpg.

The creators can say they hope this does well all they want to convince the higher ups that its a viable genre and people want it so they can make a sequel, but it's simply not going to happen. You'd have to add "choose your own adventure"-aspects and romance like BG3 to get people to turn out (which would not fit FFT).

No sequel is coming. It will simply sell "okay".

>Doesnt include war of the lions content
>Probably censored
I'm good.
Hope you guys like recruiting type A and B soldiers.

>>721204136
this part

>>721204252
Why would an older, changed version of the writer spouting an opinion on twitter decades after the game was made have anything to do with the man who wrote Final Fantasy Tactics?

They're different people.

>>721203065
this shit actually pmo for real. cheap ass game, they always run away yet they can hit you with magic for like 300-400 damage and two hit you and it'll take like 8 hits to beat them along with their grunts.

>>721204406
Interesting.

>>721204237
The War of the Lions version sucked, anon.

>>721204453
For some reason it seems to be.

People who have trouble understanding the concept are basically telling on themselves.

"I'm exactly the same at 45 as I was at 20!" is actually a bad thing.

>>721204538
Interesting.

>>721194467
Based, and same.

>>721189790 (OP)
>preorder
>digital goods
I'm not that retarded.

>>721195585
There's a huge difference between hunting/gathering and building your own dwelling and wageslaving for corpos and governments to profit off of your work.

>>721189790 (OP)
Why are lefties obsessed with pretending fictional characters agree with them?
Granted Wiegraf is very much about the cause of the peasant class, but then why not use his real quotes instead of turning him into mouthpiece?

269
C'mon anon. Having a nice FFT thread. No need to bait shitposts

>>721195585
Yeah, but if I was doing all that I wouldn't be able to waste all this time thinking about anime girl feet or whatever.

>>721200262
It doesn't even look like him
He has a nose for fucks sake

theres zero hype for this game

theres no target audience

>>721189790 (OP)
looks like a gay pseude commie game, no thanks

>>721205598
There's a target audience.
But the actual audience is incredibly niche. This genre has never been big, even in the primetime of RPGs.

>>721202436
>he likes the quote about fines and poor people and said it sounds like something he might have written, therefore he actively endorses using his characters as a mouthpiece for my ideology!
No. Stop trying to twist everything into promoting your politics

>>721205598
That's literally every SquareEnix game nowadays. They routinely butcher their remasters with blur, clashing art assets, terrible fonts, and other stupid decisions and their mainline games have just been shit for years. They, like Nintendo, tend to overcharge for everything too.

>>721194994
>signature look of superiority

>>721205869
nta, "the rich control the government" and "there is a two-class system in government" is not a divisive stance, pretty much everyone used to believe that. it's only very recently that some people have been convinced that it's "politically divisive".
people also used to distrust politicians in general across the board, something that has also recently changed.

>>721205269
Why are you a bootlicker? The image is just facts, whether some reddit commie faggot made it in paint or not.

>>721205598
I'm looking forward to it. I only ever played the psp version and that was ages ago so I do want to replay the game.

>>721189790 (OP)
it's not a remaster

>>721206146
It's literally a remaster. What are you on about?

>>721206146
correct, it's remade

GOD FUCK REBORN
40 FUCKING MINUTES WASTED AND I LOSE BECAUSE OZMA HP IS LIKE AT 3HP HAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHA OH MY FUCKING GOD DENAM YOU STUPID FUCKING KEK CAN YOU DO MORE DAMAGE YOU STUPID FUCKING COCKSUCKER

>>721204060
So you're a rich asshole.

>>721206517
Let it all out anon.

>>721205569
I tried a few more prompts and they just kept getting worse and worse. It lost the novelty and I got tired of trying to get blood from this proverbial stone.
Sorry anon.

>>721189790 (OP)
We have progressive fines (think progressive taxation) where I live.
Pic not related

>>721197146
Triangle Strategy sold over a million and it didn't get jackshit afterwards, SE is either lying or have retarded expectations.

I need flatties

>>721206893
Tall skinny woman with little to no tits is good eating

>>721206830
It's the latter. All of the major videogame developers/publishers have insane sales projections and inevitably get disappointed.

>>721189790 (OP)
Yes.

I'll get it on launch day, preorder it if I can be assed, simply because the only time I ever played it was emulated on pc because some guy wanted to watch me play it for some drinking game I wasn't wise to and I never thought to play it at my own leisure

>>721206146
>>721206252
>>721206309
its remade because they had to remake the lost audio files, and they also re-did a lot of things / added voice actors and other stuff. I believe the story is that when Square merged with Enix they lost the master files in the process and were unable to recover them. Now they say something like their storage was full so they just deleted it, but I think that more has to do with the merging process as well.

Why does the audio have to be remade when there are ROM hacks of the same thing? I guess they didn't want to use that engine or something or wanted to expand it to different platforms that it might not work on, who knows.

Even if you want to say thats a shitty reason to have to remake the game, it is what it is and its remade