Thread 721198546

I mean I hear about it all the time, but when I check the actual user base, no one is practically using it.

Case in point is Godot. Indie devs talk about it like it's the second coming of Christ, how Unity is done and over, then you look at the stats and barely anyone relevant is using it.
Open source software seems to always just be used by the loud minority.
How so?

>>721198546 (OP)
https://steamdb.info/stats/releases/?tech=Engine.Godot#:~:text=791%20Godot%20games%20have%20been,released%20in%202023%20on%20Steam.

There's a big spike in 2024, but still, 700 games a year is a drop in the ocean. With the amount of noise Godot users make, you'd think there'd be more.
It's literally behind Renpy and Pygame, huh?

>>721198546 (OP)
>>721198580

https://gamedevreports.substack.com/p/video-game-insights-game-engines

>godot made up only 5% of games released in 2024
>units sold made up 1%

I thought indie devs hate Unity?

>>721198546 (OP)
>>721198580
>hurr durr it's not popular enough
that's actually a good thing

>>721198546 (OP)
because even with Gd script you actually need to know how to program and design software to make anything usable

anyone who says this engine isn't a piece of absolute garbage has never used it seriously before and anyone who did knows it. if you did try to use it before, you would know the answer. it's shitty and the only redeeming quality is that it's open source.

>>721198982
...Should I not use Redot and swap over to Torque3D? I only really care about forward rendering

>>721198546 (OP)
waiting for juan

>>721198580
GODty untouchable

>>721199139
you do what you want, mate, people have created good games with much worse tools. but it's not a good engine and there's no reason why you shouldn't use a better alternative.
the problem isn't with an area in specific like "it can't render AAA games", the whole engine is cheap and badly coded and you have to fix basically every aspect of it from the source code yourself if you wanna make a serious game. I used a local fork of the engine to make my game, that's the only way to make game development with it actually work and it's not worth the effort.

>>721198704
Indie hate to jump a a train that is going into unknown

>>721199517
Alright. I just need to like make game anyways I need to just go at it with Redot since I'm already in it and if it fails it fails

>>721198546 (OP)
Has their PR team stopped sucking troon dick?
And more importantly, have they made the engine actually usable to make real games rather than "proof of concept" games that get dumped on itch.io?

>>721199826
it won't fail, it will just be somewhat frustrating and force you to either not do precisely what you want, spend some time reinventing the wheel a couple times and/or tweak the engine's source code a little bit (and ofc use your own compiled version). you're not gonna fail because of this.

>>721199937
Sorry about being down about it, but you're right. Thank you

the engine literally doesn't matter. if the game works and sells for millions, why the fuck would you care?

>>721200119
>the engine literally doesn't matter.
It matters sometimes. If you want to make an open world RPG or automation game or RTS or the like it starts to really matter.

it's just eternally online larpers
same as people saying they will reprogram everything in C no matter what the topic

>>721200119
Sure but Godot doesn't "work" outside of small game demos and experiments.

>>721200104
Relax, you're not farming upvotes.

>>721198546 (OP)
>Python
Literally the limiting factor in making games with it.

No multiplat and it isn't as polished.

>>721200264
Buckshot Roulette sold over 6 million copies

The "popularity" isn't the issue. Yeah, 1000s of slop games get pushed out with Unity and Unreal so there's no point in competing in "popularity". The problem is nothing of note at all is made with Godot besides Cruelty Squad. Other engines have a precedent set for the kind of games you can make in them. Godot has mainly gay shit on Itch.io and that's what it will always be known for.

>>721200205
then work around the engine's limitations, you know, like when gaming was in its infancy and developers had to work around 1 mb of ram? if doom can do it, then you can make a massive open world game in godot. not with modern graphics of course, but who the fuck cares about modern graphics they only serve to bring gaming down as a whole.

>>721198546 (OP)
I waited too long for it

>>721200395
1. It's GDScript, not Python
2. You can use C#/C/C++/Dart/Rust/Go/etc.
>>721200417
It is multiplat with third party publishing.

God you all retarded.

>>721200395
Lol. What limits do you "think" python has?

>>721198546 (OP)
>Troondot
Use Redot instead bros

>>721200568
https://docs.godotengine.org/en/stable/tutorials/platform/consoles.html
You literally can't just simply publish a switch 2 release with it. I'm not saying that's a deal breaker, but it depends what your publishing needs demand.

>>721198704
>I thought indie devs hate Unity?
Indie devs. (i.e. those who actually do get games made) love unity, or at the very least, they use unity.

>>721200737
What makes you think you can simply publish a switch 2 release with other engines, shit for brains?

>>721200264
What do you mean?

>>721200684
What's the difference? I was just looking this up but couldn't find any.

>>721200941
The logo. Seriously. It's some gay ideological thing.

>>721200941
Redot stands for "reactionary Godot". It's when reactionaries do shit on impulse like roasties.

>>721200684
isn't redot just a fork with the editor colors changed? Did redot add something new to godot?

>>721198546 (OP)
Godot got it's biggest push into the spotlight after Unity's pricing debacle not too long ago. People quickly forgot Unity used to be #1 with indies and the fallout has been the rise of Godot and Unreal being more widespread in the indie space, filling the void.

Godot was pushed as the open source replacement for Unity but it has nowhere near the same amount of features or stability Unity offered. Godot's major problem is that it bills itself as an entry level engine for beginners but is nowhere near ready for production and won't be for years. Part of why it has a small but loud online following is because you either make the choice of betting it all on Godot being the future, and choose to invest your time and grow along with the engine, or pick a much more mature and reliable engine to work with like Unity or Unreal.

My own issue with Godot is that while it's open source, it's future and entire direction for the engine is still in the hands of Juan and his group who have several times already ignored actual good updates to the engine by the community and instead went with their own solution, only to later backtrack and accept the community's input once theirs was shown to be shit. They've also ignored advice from industry developers about how to improve their engine, only to ego push whatever solution they personally wanted and will break things to make it work.

lacks a lot of tools and assets

>>721200941
Has a bunch of fixes godot didn't do for over a decade. It was released after Godot's PR person started bragging about being pro-woke (yes, it was a troon). Slowly people starting digging into Godot's past and found out many unaddressed issues. Redot fixed many of them.

>>721198580
When you look at these numbers, keep in mind that 80% of Unity games are asset flips that Jim Sterling used to review on his channel, because of abundance of free assets and libraries for Unity.

>>721201327
wait really? where's the changelog, i can't find it

>>721198982
it's shitty BECAUSE it's open source, or more specifically yet another foss we-have-excel-at-home copy of actually useful software

>>721198982
can confirm
god the c# integration is bastard child tier awful. it has even timing issues in specific usecases

>>721201639
yeah, I don't know what's worse
using that retarded piece of shit that gdscript is or using c# and feeling like they don't even want to have an integration with it in the first place
nah, I know gdscript is worse, but godot's c# treatment is so bad it's not even funny

>>721201615
Blender is open source
Chuds lost

>>721198580
>behind renpy
Fucking kek

>>721201639
>>721201840
>t. nodevs who "code" exclusively with Claude

>>721198580
>With the amount of noise Godot users make, you'd think there'd be more.
freetardism is fundamentally an evangelical religious movement

>>721201949
What exactly makes you kek about shitty VN slop? VNs are stupidly easy to make, no wonder there's thousands of them

>>721198546 (OP)
This thread gets made almost daily

>>721201975
they're complaining about poor implementation of a more powerful language and your conclusion is that they don't know how to code? throwing stones out of a glass house, are you?

>>721202006
Just like maga, huh
I guess freetardism is based then

>>721201615
That comparison is actually perfect because there is an open-source Excel alternative that is identical to it aside from not having spyware.

>>721200568
It's an in-house language that behaves identically to python. And while you can try using other languages it's pretty obvious you're going to be treated like a second-class citizen support-wise for not using the intended language.

>>721202098
remember that you become what you pretend to be

>>721202048
I wonder if it counts the games in version alpha 0.01

>>721202071
>poor implementation of a more powerful language
How can implementation be poor when they use Microsoft's implementation you illiterate nigger
They literally use Microsoft's SDK

This isn't the hill for you to die on, chuddie, you re out of your depth

>>721202245
>How can implementation be poor when they use Microsoft's implementation you illiterate nigger
you just made it clear you have no idea what you're talking about, you fucking retard

>>721202245
you realize we recognize that as the complete gibberish it is, right?

>>721201409
he's never going to reply to you lmao

>>721202138
It's clear that you never tried to program in Godot, stop posting it's embarrassing

>>721202350
yeah i figured as much

>>721202345
Yeah because you don't know what SDK means you tech illiterate loincloth

Bye

>>721198546 (OP)
>>721198580
Loads of issues that stem from Juan + co's incompetence, including preventing industry standard functionality from being implemented because they are hipsters.

>>721202362
I literally did try to use the c# version of godot at one point. Emphasis on try since it wouldn't work. Later I used it again and they had since fixed the problem I was having in the earlier version. But that was a pretty clear sign to me of the sort of roadblocks I could expect when not using the intended language.

>>721202509
>including preventing industry standard functionality from being implemented because they are hipsters.
such is life with freetards

>>721202245
Don't they funnel C# through a gdscript converter, which is why C# scripts are lower performance than they should be, among other things?
I still remember the debacle around them fucking up their raycasting implementation and denying it for months until they sorta fixed some of it.

>>721202509
GIMP is suffering from the same issue.
There's so many good features that PS has, that GIMP refuses to implement because they're more obsessed in "we're-not-photoshop" optics, than being an actually competent software.

Now Gimp is like 15 years behind the competition, and the dev team somehow thinks that's good because at least they're not another PS clone.

>>721202870
i mean the thing is named The GIMP. if they don't take themselves seriously you shouldn't either.

>>721198580
>>721198546 (OP)
>"Lound minority"
>7th of ALL game engines
>Often compared to unity which is literally the 1st
>Only became more or less usable around a year ago.
>Compared to engines that are literally 2 decades old or more, with all the learning resources available to them.
>Free, lightweight, open source.
>Free.
This is why so much talk.

Granted, until it established itself as a good "high fidelity" slopa platform, it wouldn't get big, since the majority of the "where are the games at" question about it is ironically boils down to "where is the 3A slopa"?...so much for fucking standards..
Also, it doesn't have a official console support so big slopa factories wouldn't even look in its direction because of that, not to mention active development that is leads to uncertainty.

Was very inspired programming my node administrator but then things happened and I've been too tired to continue.
Thanks for reading my blog

>>721202934
The name really is egregious. Just fucking change it you god damn retarded spergs!

When are we finally getting a Node.js engine so I can make games on Javascript?

>>721198546 (OP)
project nortubel

>>721202679
>Don't they funnel C# through a gdscript converter, which is why C# scripts are lower performance than they should be, among other things?
Wouldn't that make C# as slow or slower than gdscript then? From what I know it's faster.

A game that uses a prebuilt engine will lack sovl unless the devs really give a lot of fucks. A game built from scratch is harder but much more soulful. Nothing is a bigger turn off than a game having that “unity/unreal feel” but it seems like most devs can’t shake it for some reason. An odd phenomenon, notch was right

I like coding in Godot, I find the experience very enjoyable, as long as you know how to code and stay in 2D

>>721198704
Unity objectivity is the best engine for indie devs to use, so no matter what you heard proof is in the pudding.

>>721203601
I really hate control/ui nodes but I like everything else

>>721198704
Indie devs love unity besides that shit they pulled in 2023. It's light and really fast to prototype with, and C# is extremely approachable.
Godot will pull ahead in eventually but devs hate hate hate switching engines, and there's too many resources for Unity

Like I stopped for months, and then I was afraid I had forgotten everything, so one day I was kinda happy because some uh, yeah I was happy so I tried again and I hadn't forgotten a single thing and I was like "ok this isn't so bad, but it's late I can continue tomorrow" but that tomorrow never came, weird desu

>>721203681
What does Unity have that sets it apart aside from the Israeli spyware?

>>721202870
What pissed me off is some of the features are hidden behind contributers names in the menus, I can't remember the specific example but if you wanted a gaussian blur or something it was like image > filters > bigdick69 > Gaussian blur.
This is great for the OSS guys to wank each other off but if I'm a user I don't give a fuck about the authors.

>>721204050
Its feature complete, "battle tested", there's 10000 tutorials, DOTS, shadergraph, all the built-in stuff means if you wanna make an fps game it's a couple of clicks and you've got a player with a gun and animated enemies pathfinding in 3d.
Its pretty good, it has problem and limitations like anything though.

>>721198546 (OP)
>Why is Godot so unpopular?
It's still relatively new and niche, and up until version 3 (we're now on 4.5), it was solely a 2D engine.

Also, FOSS software seldom has the marketing power behind them, like paid proprietary applications. Epic really keeps pushing the UE5 down people's throats in the gaming industry and at universities these days, and Unity still gets traction thanks to being the first "free" generic 3D game engine available to normies, years prior Unreal copied their style.

As an oldfag who has used all 3, I prefer Godot's design and performance over the rest.

>>721198546 (OP)
I've recently been learning all the gamedev stuff with Godot so I don't know if it's just this engine that sucks dick, but making something as simple as a 2D platformer is really fucking complicated because there's no good simple way to do pathfinding that isn't top-down or grid-based. And the engine has virtually no out-of-the-box stuff like simple text boxes or GUI functionality so I have to waste hours looking up tutorials and shit for something that like 99% of games are going to need regardless

>>721204581
>11 years
>i-i-i-it's still new guys

>>721204050
>sets it apart
Apart from what? Unity is THE engine for indies.

>>721202245
the c# godotbridge is assssssssss
its not an .net sdk issue. its a godot integration issue. try to write a godot ui editor plugin that uses their c# plugin api. you will see the issues immediately. the engine will refuse to work.
>>721202304
the problem is even deeper. sometimes the c# stuff runs ahead of godot shit (because its faster kek) all the async signals get fucked in the ass and everything desyncs.

it's an engine that's more about being part of the "community", joining the discord, participating in weekly gamejams and telling everyone how super cool and great godot is, and less about making games

>>721204581
>prefer Godot
>for performance reasons
Literally the dumbest thing I've read all day.

>>721203019
>Only became more or less usable around a year ago.
YOU FUCKERS SAY THIS EVERY YEAR

>>721204848
I switched from Unity to Godot and there hasn't been a single thing I've missed about it.

>>721204581
>Also, FOSS software seldom has the marketing power behind them,
lmao yeah except for all you fanatic faggots who can't shut the fuck up about how great it is (it isn't)

>>721204589
Godot offers more GUI tools than a lot of engines, it's the one thing it's best at imo
a textbox is just a label node under a panel or container
increment visible_text in a script for a typewriter display effect, listen for input to switch to next message
functional textbox in like 5 minutes

>>721204724
>it's still new guys
Yes.
Unity is literally 20 years old now, with v1 arriving in June 2005.

Meanwhile, Unreal Engine is soon turning 30 (thirty), with the first version shipping with the release of Unreal itself, 1998.

Those years really make a difference, with constant improvements + growth of their communities polishing and expanding their UIX and capabilities. And with two sizable competitors, a newcomer such as Godot has harder time convincing older industry vets to switch over and learn a whole new set of rules.

>>721204983
Identical 3D scene in Godot literally runs like 100-200 fps faster in Godot than Unity for me. The compiling of the final game is also quicker, as is shader compilation.
The user interface itself is also much smoother, and small hot-fixes don't break the projects like Unity does.

>>721205125
Dude, I've barely used the engine even for 6 months as I'm speaking. You are absolutely delusional if you think le ebinn Chinese comicbook forum website's posts to equal a "marketing campaign".

>>721198546 (OP)
Unity has its problems, mostly on the licensing/business side, but it's a mature engine, even if a bit bloated when it comes to render pipelines (haven't tried Unity 6 yet). Godot doesn't have the feature maturity yet to actually compete. Lord knows if it ever will.

>>721205338
>Godot doesn't have the feature maturity yet to actually compete
You really need to explain this statement in more detail.
What is it that you believe Godot "lacks" as of now?

>>721198546 (OP)
this reminds me, did silksong end up being made in godot after all? or did they stick with unity?

>>721205431
Stability.
4-5 different iterations of lighting engines, 3d looses features just to gain them back a few versions later, even 2D functionality gets altered with things like the recent tilemap collision changes just bricking previous code that needed exact tile location and information from the tilemap.

>>721205694
it's unity
sorry, godotsister...
maybe next time

>godot
>gimp
>kdenlive
>audacity
>obs
>vlc
>libreoffice
>dust3d
>blender
>lmms
oh yeah, it's time to make some money for absolutely free

>>721205326
the convert is always the most fervent

Ok so I was doing a tutorial on blender but although the Transitions were smooth they took me too long to make manually and using geometry nodes seemed redundant when I could just use Godot, so I started programming an UI and then I got roadblocked by Godot's weird quirks but nothing that wasn't manageable, took me a while but I got the aesthetics the way I wanted, then what I thought would be the easiest part stalled me completely, I realized I didn't know shit about managing data so I gave it a few days to clear my mind. So the problem was that I had to spawn entities that could be updated...hmmm, now that I think about it it's like an RTS brb

>>721202870
Man I fucking hate GIMP. I've used Photoshop before and paint.net as a light replacement in recent years, a bit of Krita too. Then I tried GIMP for the first time and the whole UI/UX feel like they came from some alternate universe with different conventions or like it was made by actual aliens. What an unusable piece of shit

>>721198546 (OP)
engine for wanna be devs

>>721205073
This. I remember when the claim was that Godot wasn't worth using before but the latest version really sorted out all the problems and now it was a worth using

...except I remember back when it apparently WASN'T a worth using and still had all the problems you're now acknowledging it had. Godotfags were still pushing it.

I apparently couldn't trust them back then, why trust them now?

>>721205158
unreal at three years old in 1998, was a much better engine than godot, 11, is today.

>>721206443
>build a single scene
>500 MB

>>721206230
>I remember when the claim was that Godot wasn't worth using before but the latest version really sorted out all the problems and now it was a worth using
same but it's gnome and it was 20 years ago and they're STILL doing that shit

freetardism never changes

>>721205158
...yes anon barring some interstellar time dilation shit Unity will in fact always be older than Godot. It's not really saying anything.

The question to ask is what was Unity like at the age Godot is at now and at 11 years Unity was already in the throws of killing the "no good games" claim by being used to make a number of megahits. The best defence to make for Godot is to start arguing it's already "made it" with its own success stories. Not trying to argue its "still young".

>>721206712
>Memory 16 MB (32 recommended)

No advantages vs unity. They had a golden torch with the whole unity fiasco and they blew it. Gdscript sucks and Godot is owned by trannies, which explains why it is a failure

>>721205158
Unity at 11 years old (2016) was already more adapted than Godot is today lmao
Stop coping

it's an alright engine for quickly prototyping stuff, plus it's lightweight so most people can run it on toasters. it's not popular cuz it's new and most people see unreal used on a game they grew up with and cling to it as a result. same with unity. that or they see all the assets that can speed up their workflow, although godot has some assets now. godot has the issue of not really being set in stone with how it wants to do things yet, it's still being modified so it's going through the blender phase where you shouldn't really build a large scale project yet with it. it's strictly an indie dev fucking around tool still.

>>721205074
Wait until you try to make your game available on various platforms
Oh wait, you will NEVER get to that point anyway
LMAO

>>721205694
Biggest Godot hits are niche games. Popular in their niche, but "silksong-levels" of mainstream traction.

https://godotengine.org/showcase/

There's like, 4 actual games there that hit relative popularity.

>>721205694
Biggest Godot hits are niche games. Popular in their niche, but NOT "silksong-levels" of mainstream traction.

https://godotengine.org/showcase/

There's like, 4 actual games there that hit relative popularity.

>>721207360
Releasing games is easy tho, you can just make something incomplete and then publish it, I mean that's what most indies do, all the platforms are plagued by games that are basically reskinned engine examples.

>>721207678
>Releasing games is easy tho, you can just make something incomplete and then publish it
Oh sweet child

Is this what the election tourists have been reduced to? Did the Epstein stuff mindbreak them?