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Anonymous No.722862407 >>722862770 >>722862865 >>722863091 >>722863168 >>722864739 >>722865556 >>722865870 >>722866510 >>722866531 >>722866981 >>722867032 >>722867451 >>722868625 >>722871447 >>722873797 >>722875415 >>722875569 >>722878635 >>722881289 >>722883791 >>722884552 >>722887489 >>722887642 >>722888450 >>722894037 >>722906905 >>722908779 >>722908892 >>722911401 >>722916542 >>722918558 >>722923541 >>722945832 >>722953748
Kris is not canonically non-binary in-universe, the game just doesn't specify Kris's pronouns because Toby wants you to self-insert as them and to imagine Kris as being whatever you want. It is therefore not WRONG to call him "he". It's not wrong to call him "she". It's not incorrect to call Kris ANYTHING because it's up to the viewer's interpretation. All are equally valid. So stop fucking correcting people when they call Kris "him", you assholes.
Anonymous No.722862770
>>722862407 (OP)
Kris is not referred to by gendered pronouns because monsters are incapable of discerning human sex.
Anonymous No.722862821
Tranny game
Anonymous No.722862865 >>722866631
>>722862407 (OP)
No point because no matter what Toby still intends him to be seen as an evil toxic straight white male.
Anonymous No.722863091 >>722875461 >>722952024
>>722862407 (OP)
>Toby wants you to self-insert as them and to imagine Kris as being whatever you want
Citation needed, the game itself makes it clear that the player and Kris are two different niggas
Anonymous No.722863168
>>722862407 (OP)
nowhere in game nor has toby ever stated that kris is non binary
kris is referred to as they/ them for reasons that have never been explained
but deep down, we all know that kris is a cute
Anonymous No.722863173 >>722863537 >>722863591 >>722864017 >>722864089 >>722867550 >>722867805 >>722868842 >>722873315 >>722884258 >>722888781 >>722899169 >>722906962 >>722907439
The game never specifies Kris's pronouns because she's secretly the girl hero.
Anonymous No.722863537 >>722865169
>>722863173
oh shit, lore??
Anonymous No.722863591 >>722864089
>>722863173
I can't believe the prophet is a transphobe
Anonymous No.722864017
>>722863173
how dare toby make all known humans in his games girls
Anonymous No.722864089 >>722865187 >>722873315 >>722878147
>>722863173
>>722863591
>kris is a straight guy
>the prophet just thought he looked like a girl, and mistook him for one
>now kris has to wear a pretty dress or the prophesy won't come true
Anonymous No.722864617
>Kris
Male
>Frisk
Female
>Chara
Female
Anonymous No.722864739 >>722865005
>>722862407 (OP)
>Kris is not canonically non-binary in-universe
i wont read threads posted by chuds.
Anonymous No.722865005 >>722865131 >>722866279 >>722875621
>>722864739
I am the wokest motherfcuker on the entire goddamn planet. And I made this thread to counter the EXACT thing you JUST fucking did. You are going around accusing people of being bigoted toward NBs because you don't fucking understand that Kris isn't actually non-binary canonically. Fucking stop doing this shit, it's literally not at all incorrect or hateful to call Kris he, you're supposed to call Kris whatever you want.
Anonymous No.722865131
>>722865005
nice concern trolling
still not reading your thread, chuddie
Anonymous No.722865169 >>722873315
>>722863537
Kris is the girl hero. She stole the soul from the vessel in order to swap roles into the Cage. She and Ralsei conspired to make Susie the girl in her stead.
Anonymous No.722865187
>>722864089
That would be funny desu
Anonymous No.722865556
>>722862407 (OP)
All humans are openly ambiguous in UTDR.
Anonymous No.722865870 >>722866292
>>722862407 (OP)
>Kris is not canonically non-binary in-universe
>it's just that all of their family and friends call them "they"
>and the game's writer/creator also refuses to gender them
>but HIS pronouns are NOT they/them because [headcanon]
Anonymous No.722866279 >>722866368
>>722865005
>dude the lion isn't CANONICALLY trans they just used to be a guy and now they're a "waitress" and wear jewelry and makeup and pretty dresses
>um Toby never SAID that the guards were gay
You're making a distinction without difference, it is objectively the most correct to call Kris they/them
I don't think Toby would be anal about it either but there's as many people being deliberately annoying about it to stir shit on here as there are scolds in other places, you're preaching to pigs
Anonymous No.722866292 >>722866787 >>722866953
>>722865870
>it's just that all of their family and friends call them "they"

Are you fuckin dumb mate? Obviously if Toby wants you to think of Kris is whatever gender you want, then the characters literally HAVE to use neutral pronouns like that to refer to Kris. That doesn't mean Kris's pronouns are canonically they/them

Is the Knight also canonically they/them because characters need to say that in order to obscure the Knight's identity from the player?? No u lil bitch
Anonymous No.722866368 >>722866953
>>722866279
You're creating strawmans to attack because you can't address what I'm actually saying in good faith. You can go ahead and pretend I said/implied any of that shit but i don't care and i did not
Anonymous No.722866510
>>722862407 (OP)
You are probably correct but I'm still going to call them They on social media outside 4chan because I don't feel like arguing with teenagers about this.
Anonymous No.722866531
>>722862407 (OP)
kris uses they/them pronouns because it's him/her and you
Anonymous No.722866631 >>722867038 >>722915653
>>722862865
>Evil
He's a massive chara fag and kris is obviously meant to be a massive fuck you to people that portrayed Chara as unapologetically evil post Undertale.

>Toxic
He's mostly just very self destructive. Always picking the worst option.

>straight
Yes.

>White
yellow... ish.

>Male.
Also yes.
Anonymous No.722866705
I find it hilarious how people assume Toby wouldn't make a deal out of kris actually being non binary.
Anonymous No.722866787 >>722867007 >>722867239 >>722867328 >>722952258
>>722866292
Give me the in-story reason as to why literally everyone in the game refers to Kris as "they".
Anonymous No.722866953 >>722867185 >>722867227 >>722867494 >>722867671 >>722871604 >>722879971
>>722866292
>That doesn't mean Kris's pronouns are canonically they/them
If the game's script and the game's writer/creator are exclusively and consistently saying one thing I don't know what else you think could constitute "canon"
>Is the Knight also canonically they/them because characters need to say that in order to obscure the Knight's identity from the player?
Putting aside that these aren't equivalent examples, The Knight is most commonly referred to as "it"

>>722866368
"Kris's pronouns aren't 'they/them' until Toby Fox comes out and says/writes a scene where Kris looks at the camera and says 'my pronouns are they/them chud'" is not a reasonable position
I know this is a game for 8 year olds but Toby does expect his audience to have basic English and reasoning abilities and be able to draw conclusions from the material presented to them
Anonymous No.722866981
>>722862407 (OP)
Don't care, game is for trannies who did not have healthy childhoods either way
Anonymous No.722867007 >>722867492
>>722866787
1: Monsters and Darkeners genuinly can't tell the difference besides Toriel and she doesn't care to share the info. 2: All humans are just referred to as they in the deltarune universe. 3
Anonymous No.722867032
>>722862407 (OP)
He's a boy when i play
She's a girl when i fap
Anonymous No.722867038 >>722867262
>>722866631
>>straight
>Yes.
Anonymous No.722867185
>>722866953
My assumption is that the script is written to be unisex. That's a fairly basic assumption of a lot of games.

I'm pretty sure Dragon Quest 4 is written to be unisex, for instance. With the female and male protagonist having the same script.
Anonymous No.722867227 >>722913680
>>722866953
"They/Them" pronouns in the context of Undertale and Deltarune no longer matter as of the 10th anniversary stream in which Mad Dummy and Napstablook were continuously referred to as he by Toby without fail.
Anonymous No.722867239 >>722867492
>>722866787
It does not require any in-universe reason, no more than when characters say "press the X button to run" or "press start to open to pause menu". An in-universe reason isn't needed. Kris is called they so that you can interpret them how you want.

Please show me the moment when either the game or Toby himself definitively says that Kris's pronouns are canonically they/them
Anonymous No.722867262 >>722867902
>>722867038
There is literally nothing more straight than wanting to fuck Susie and Noelle.

Both girls represent both extremes of a almost perfect but distinct femininity. The princess and the heroine.
Anonymous No.722867328 >>722867475 >>722867492
>>722866787
the human manual toriel read always referred to humans as they/ them and toriel thought that's just what they went by
everyone else just rolled with it because kris is toriel's kid and she's somewhat prominent in the town
the biggest wrench in it is susie, unless she's one of those 'i'll bully you but it won't misgender you' hippie bullies
Anonymous No.722867450 >>722868368
You niggers are just as worthless as Twitter faggots yet you pretend to be any better or more enlightened.
Who fucking cares
Anonymous No.722867451 >>722867554
>>722862407 (OP)
Kris being non-binary makes the most sense, especially considering there's no explanation for all the "they/them" in the script referring to Kris specifically that isn't handwaved away with out of universe reasoning.
Anonymous No.722867475
>>722867328
Susie didn't know what gender Kris was and was too afraid of asking because she figured it would ruin her cool bully kced.
Anonymous No.722867492 >>722867707 >>722922652
>>722867007
>Monsters and Darkeners genuinly can't tell the difference
Retard cope argument, monsters share essentially the same gender roles and Kris has been raised as Toriel's own child from a very young age. Monsters are not nearly as ignorant about humans as they were in Undertale, humans are a part of monster pop culture and monsters literally have a book on how to care for human children.
>All humans are just referred to as they in the deltarune universe.
So you acknowledge and agree that their pronouns are canonically they/them

>>722867239
cope

>>722867328
headcanon. Kris is a they just like Chihiro is a boy and Naoto is a girl.
Anonymous No.722867494 >>722867671 >>722867696 >>722868715 >>722879971
>>722866953
>If the game's script and the game's writer/creator are exclusively and consistently saying one thing I don't know what else you think could constitute "canon"

ARE YOU PEOPLE FUCKING STUPID AS FUCK? If Toby wants Kris to be any gender you want, the characters HAVE TO call Kris they, there is no other fucking option. You can't have players choose pronouns at the start because that goes against the "your choices don't matter" thing and because there's always gonna be some obscure pronouns Toby didn't include that will make people upset. There is ZERO motherfucking evidence that Kris is supposed to be they/them in-universe, you people are SUCH fucking idiots
Anonymous No.722867550 >>722868059
>>722863173
Stop trying to justify your urge for femkris porn with this shitty theory
Anonymous No.722867554 >>722867828
>>722867451
I mean, why the fuck would everybody else care though? Like, Queen and Tenma I could kind of accept but King or most random enemy darkeners?
Anonymous No.722867671
>>722867494
>There is ZERO motherfucking evidence that Kris is supposed to be they/them in-universe
see >>722866953
When you're done seething try to calm down and realize how ridiculous it is that you're trying to make up a version of "canon" that completely excludes the actual work in question and its creator
Anonymous No.722867696 >>722867892 >>722867941 >>722867957
>>722867494
Anon, tell me, if Kris is supposed to have "they/them pronouns" just because that's what he's called, how come there are multiple characters who are also referred as "them" whom Toby has also referred to with pronouns in the past? MK is called they, but there's some art origin thing hwere he's called "he". Napstablook is called "they" but Toby called him "he" on the stream. He referred to Frisk as "he" in a tweet, too.

So what is it then?
Anonymous No.722867707
>>722867492
>So you acknowledge and agree that their pronouns are canonically they/them
Sure, but they might just be a guy or girl regardless. Not non binary.

>has been raised as Toriel's own child from a very young age.
He's also a outsider and is meant to look ambiguous. It's possible it's a habit that just stuck.
Anonymous No.722867805 >>722867879 >>722907010
>>722863173
It's going to be so funny if this is true and anons start defending troons in /v/ like some kind of drug addicts than can't accept Toby is a political insect
Anonymous No.722867828 >>722868142
>>722867554
Kris' appearance is ambiguous enough that the people who don't know about their gender probably just default to "they" as it's the easiest way to refer to someone you don't know/care to know much about.
Anonymous No.722867879
>>722867805
Please.

I'm already writing fan fiction about bullying the shit out of Kris. Being able to canonically deadname her would make me all the happier.
Anonymous No.722867892
>>722867696
Idk what Napstablook's history is. I assume he's male but Toby started calling him they cuz ghosts don't have genitals and gender is innately fluid for them, i don't really know
Anonymous No.722867902 >>722867976
>>722867262
Susie and Noelle are both tomboys. Neither of them represents femininity.
Anonymous No.722867941
>>722867696
nta but its obvious toby has a canon gender for them, but made those characters they them to get twitter points (and it worked)
Anonymous No.722867957 >>722868304
>>722867696
nta but it's normal in english to call something of unknown sex 'he' or 'she' depending on what it is
calling kris 'he' is technically acceptable since we don't know if he's male or female
Anonymous No.722867976 >>722868454
>>722867902
>Noelle
>Tomboy
She's so fucking traditionally feminine she has fantasies about being raped.
Anonymous No.722868059 >>722868369 >>722873315 >>722905926
>>722867550
How about you come up with a counterargument instead of getting butthurt you can't self-insert into an MC without a penis?
Anonymous No.722868142 >>722869653
>>722867828
Kris's appearance is distinctly masculine. Nobody who sees him for the first time would think he's gender ambiguous.
Anonymous No.722868304 >>722868472
>>722867957
Well except he obviously did those things after deciding to call those characters them.

Literally the only reason why Kris is suddenly seen as 'nonbinary' is because that shit wasn't wdiespread when Undertale released. So everyone just kinda didd what they wanted. But nowadays the faggots took over so now if you call Kris "he" you get instantly dogpiled for being "transphobic" (because apparently calling yourself as they suddenly counts as trans now?)
Anonymous No.722868368
>>722867450
>tranny game
>fanbase is filled with worthless faggots
Whoa...
Anonymous No.722868369 >>722868696
>>722868059
Your argument is retarded because we LITERALLY see the three of them in the prophecy, so unless you want to tell me that Susie is gonna be the "Cage with human soul and parts" it sure as hell isn't Kris who is the girl.
Anonymous No.722868382 >>722868472
Why do people generally agree that Frisk's gender is supposed to be whatever you want it to be, but for some reason the fandom does not have the same consensus about Kris, and insist that they are non-binary?
Anonymous No.722868454 >>722868505
>>722867976
She's the classical type of tomboy, not the "butch bitch playing sports" type.
Anonymous No.722868472 >>722868528
>>722868382
See >>722868304

People will say it's because "Kris is his own person!" but the fact is that plenty of other characters who are definitely the same person also have the exact same treatment. Nobody goes around screaming that MK is Nonbinary.
Anonymous No.722868505
>>722868454
Retard
Anonymous No.722868528
>>722868472
are definitely their own person*
Anonymous No.722868534
I made the character so I say hes a man. Sorry Toby, you can not change my mind.
Anonymous No.722868625 >>722868715
>>722862407 (OP)
If only there was a way to solve that issue without fucking up grammar... oh wait.
Anonymous No.722868696 >>722868862
>>722868369
Susie is not the second hero. She doesn't use swords nor wear ribbons. In fact aside from being female she doesn't fit a single part of the real (non-Ralsei faked) version of the prophecy.
Anonymous No.722868715
>>722868625
see >>722867494
Anonymous No.722868842
>>722863173
This is the most retarded theory I've ever seen, it could only have come from the head of some sort of south american yurinigger
Anonymous No.722868862 >>722869649
>>722868696
Correct. That is because Susie has shonen hero powers of being able to defy prophecies. Kris, on the other hand, is the only one who can be the cage. There is no one else capable of filling that roles - maybe the vessel could, but the person on the left sure as hell doesn't look like Kris either.

So no, Kris cannot be "The Girl", and your headcanon about your blue crossdressing waifu is not canon.
Anonymous No.722868870 >>722868940
Humans are genderless beings in UT/DR. It's pretty obvious. Stop being narcissistic and assuming the in-universe counterpart to monsters works the same as you do just because of its name.
Anonymous No.722868905
I wonder what Hapstablook's gonna look like when we see them
Anonymous No.722868940 >>722869016 >>722869262
>>722868870
So how do they reproduce? The fucking stork brings them babies?
Anonymous No.722869016 >>722869443
>>722868940
How do monsters?
Anonymous No.722869262
>>722868940
>So how do they reproduce?
Same way cells do.
Anonymous No.722869345
I hope Kris gets raped by the knight like Nia in Gurren Lagann.
Anonymous No.722869443
>>722869016
>How do monsters?
The normal way? With a father and a mother?
Anonymous No.722869649 >>722869765
>>722868862
Anon, you can't have it both ways. You can't say Susie is the one from prophecy and then also say prophecies don't apply to her. I think what you want to say is that Susie is taking the role of the second hero despite it not being made for her, which is correct. Susie being the second hero is a "fake" scenario engineered by Kris and co. That's because she is special and they believe she can break fate.

The panel you showed is quite tricky, because it's clearly meant to evoke Susie, but then this later picture clearly doesn't. I thought up of some explanations:

1) The prophecy being subverted is itself included in the prophecy. The picture of the trio together is showing them defeating the titan. The later individual pictures are showing the "truth" exposed later on.
2) It's a dumb bait-and-switch misleading silhouette, just like the solo picture looking like Susie at first glance despite deeper examination ruling her out.

I'm a fan of the prophecy self-subversion personally, since it would explain why the female hero has the soul. It's showing Kris stealing the soul from the vessel. Kris attempting to subvert the prophecy is itself part of the prophecy.
Anonymous No.722869653 >>722869907 >>722870008
>>722868142
>Kris's appearance is distinctly masculine
In what way? The skinny body? The long hair? The yellow skin?
Anonymous No.722869765
>>722869649
> You can't say Susie is the one from prophecy and then also say prophecies don't apply to her.
You're right, people have never broken prophecies in fiction before. The rest of your post is absolute fucking cope, though
>N-no, it doesn't matter that kris and susie are literally shown in the prophecy as the three heroes, Kris is the girl because uhhhh because i said so okay
Anonymous No.722869851
Why do you play the gayest game but can’t accept Kris is nonbinary like Noelle wants Susie to sit on her face and Raslei is the biggest bottom in the history of video games not to even mention Alphys and Undyne plus how Toby makes fun of straight people with Pizzapants
Anonymous No.722869907 >>722869986 >>722910012 >>722911807
>>722869653
This is the figure of a man.
Anonymous No.722869986
>>722869907
How so?
Anonymous No.722870008 >>722870085 >>722870193 >>722911807
>>722869653
Yep, this is DEFINITELY the skinny body of a girl
Anonymous No.722870052 >>722870716
I respect Kris and his strength.
Anonymous No.722870085
>>722870008
This one actually is ambiguous, though. It's the piano collection art that has clearly male shoulder/hip ratio.
Anonymous No.722870193 >>722870625
>>722870008
Looks pretty ambiguous to me considering they're a teenager, the age range where a body is quite literally developing and might not look exactly like you think a given sex would.
Anonymous No.722870625 >>722871056 >>722871541
>>722870193
>Looks pretty ambiguous to me
holy delusional

that could not be more of a teen boy design if you tried
Anonymous No.722870716
>>722870052
Anonymous No.722870898 >>722871331
will the kris discourse, or rather, kriscourse, ever end?
Anonymous No.722871056 >>722871183 >>722911807
>>722870625
It absolutely could be a teen girl wearing a guy's outfit + binder. It's just using realistic proportions instead of exaggerated anime ones.
Anonymous No.722871142
They are perfect for each other.
Anonymous No.722871183 >>722871534
>>722871056
I don't think there's binders for your hip-to-shoulder-ratio anon.
Anonymous No.722871331 >>722906019
>>722870898
Krintercourse
Kriscest
Anonymous No.722871408 >>722871478 >>722871673 >>722871931 >>722894837
this entire thread is retarded and never played the game
Anonymous No.722871414
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GbBD_7AsGA&list=RD2GbBD_7AsGA&start_radio=1

Tr@nsmit [Kro mer].
Anonymous No.722871447 >>722874061
>>722862407 (OP)
>Kris is not canonically non-binary in-universe
Tell that to Robert.
>the game just doesn't specify Kris's pronouns because Toby wants you to self-insert as them
It's called an "Are you a boy, or a girl?" screen.
>buh-buh-but whatabout---
Ghouls should not be catered to, end of discussion. Of course, that would fly in the face of Robert's message in his games...
>It's not incorrect to call Kris ANYTHING because it's up to the viewer's interpretation. All are equally valid
Except that makes "neo-pronouns" (like using a third-person plural to refer to a single individual, which happens to be canon) "valid" as well. See the problem?
Anonymous No.722871478
>>722871408
i've gone through each chapter at least twice and i'll probably go through 2-4 again in a couple months before ch5 because i missed some shit
Anonymous No.722871534 >>722871606
>>722871183
The shoulders and hips are about 1:1, which follows realistic women. Real people don't have One Piece proportions.
Anonymous No.722871541
>>722870625
>that could not be more of a teen boy design if you tried
In what way?
Anonymous No.722871604 >>722872142 >>722879971
>>722866953
Time to edit the wiki page for napstablook to have he/him and cite the multiple times Toby referred to him that way in the 10th anniversary stream
Anonymous No.722871606 >>722871913
>>722871534
>The shoulders are about 1-1
Nope.
Anonymous No.722871673
>>722871408
>never played the game
I tend not to give money to "people" who say monsters should be sympathized with.
Anonymous No.722871841 >>722871957 >>722872041 >>722872312 >>722872978 >>722873256
i don't know why people peddle artwork that isn't tobys as canonical to the games
remember gigi's art of the glamrock costumes with the brick shithouse susie and fatass ralsei that everyone was up in arms about? non canon
neither is the fangamer stuff
the only canon artwork is toby's concept stuff, and only for a better grasp of the game and shouldn't be taken as 100% unless it appears in game
Anonymous No.722871913 >>722871984 >>722873598 >>722952659
>>722871606
Anonymous No.722871931
>>722871408
I did play the game, I just reject the non-binary retardation because it's the big [CURRENT YEAR] and that shit's covid-era nonsense
Anonymous No.722871957
>>722871841
secondaries will grasp at anything to support their "argument" (headcanon)
Anonymous No.722871984 >>722872212
>>722871913
>actually CHUD, Women have always had hips narrower than their shoulders
Uh-huh. Listen dude, just say that you like femkris porn and you want it to be canon so people will draw more of it
Anonymous No.722872041 >>722872125
>>722871841
I agree. That's why I also discount everything that relies on datamining. None of the Gaster shit matters.
Anonymous No.722872125
>>722872041
>None of the Gaster shit matters.
Ah, so you haven't played deltarune, I'd recommend playing deltarune
Anonymous No.722872142
>>722871604
And before anyone brings out the bullshit "toby used speech to text" excuse, he was clearly was still hand-typing plenty of stuff as well as very likely not just immediately pressing enter every time the speech to text types something out for him.
Toby was just covering his ass in the second stream because he forgot that is fanbase is very mentally ill and takes non-issues like pronouns very seriously.
Anonymous No.722872212 >>722872308
>>722871984
Most real women do. Hell, some cartoon women also do.
Anonymous No.722872308
>>722872212
>Most real women do
That is quite literally and objectively not true, anon. Please stop with the coping.
Anonymous No.722872312
>>722871841
Kris is pretty ambiguous here too.
Anonymous No.722872426 >>722872483
Damn, this male guy sure looks familiar
Anyone ask their/there gender?
Anonymous No.722872483 >>722872528 >>722872676
>>722872426
Impressively disingenuous.
Anonymous No.722872528 >>722872656
>>722872483
kris is a mix of varik and caim
reminder varik was the protagonist of the halloween hack
Anonymous No.722872656
>>722872528
So wearing a similar outfit when you're in some dark version of the world you live in means you're automatically the same gender as the person with the original outfit.
Anonymous No.722872676 >>722872749
>>722872483
Someone ask the Non-Binary-Royalty of /v/ what zhere/zwhere pronouns are!
Anonymous No.722872749
>>722872676
Whoops, sorry, wrong gender ambiguous deep inspiration
Anonymous No.722872797 >>722874361
Honestly, this is proof enough that the SOUL is not (Us), but their own character, because if it were, (We) would easily look down Kris' pants and see what (We) are working with. Alas, (T*by) is a gigantic faggot.
Anonymous No.722872863
So the "Kris is male" retards are now going "but this thing not in the game!"?
Anonymous No.722872874 >>722873280
Can someone ask this little stripe-shirted immature human if xey have a gender?
Anonymous No.722872978
>>722871841
>tobias introduces as an intimidating loner who makes fun of everyone and just wants to do everything her way
>ends up making her exactly like the concept art in later chapters
What other characters in media have had this happen?
Anonymous No.722873256
>>722871841
Toby should have left the bottled water part uncensored in the original post of this so we'd wonder what the actual fuck the context was for 7 years
Anonymous No.722873280
>>722872874
He is clearly designed to be a boy. There's another character who is designed to be a girl. No confusion. Robert, meanwhile, wants to normalize the ghoulish tendencies of gender ideology---which makes sense, seeing how he's a soft autogynephile (or "femboy") himself---so he designs a character with the intent of being "ambiguous" and refers to it with the third-person plural both in and out of the game's universe; because he's a ghoul, like the rest of them.
Anonymous No.722873315 >>722873406 >>722873453 >>722873709
>>722863173
>>722864089
>>722865169
>>722868059
You have to be a serious glue huffer to believe this dogshit "theory". There are TWO GIRLS that have been in the party before and Noelle has datamined text of her reacting to certain equipment thats only possible to obtain AFTER Chapter 2. And you have the little shit that rips their own heart out and stuffs it IN A CAGE MULTIPLE TIMES, is the ONLY HUMAN in the entire game, and has NEVER been referred to as a girl, EVER. Remember the part of the prophecy that said "The Cage, with Human Soul and Parts"? Guess who possess a human soul? Guess who's the only non-monster in town? Guess who's the one that LITERALLY CAGES YOU INSIDE THEIR BODY AND IN A LITERAL CAGE. You are fucking with my entire ass and hole if you earnestly believe Kris is "The Girl". Shut the FUCK up, you goddamn secondaries.
Anonymous No.722873406 >>722873463
>>722873315
its just cope anon calm down
Anonymous No.722873453
>>722873315
Anon, remember the vessel? You know, the one you make in chapter 1? You ever wonder what it's for?
Anonymous No.722873463
>>722873406
I DONT GIVE A FUCK. I'm tired of this retardation.
Anonymous No.722873598
>>722871913
this is based on hollywood crypto trannies.
Anonymous No.722873709 >>722873927 >>722874680
>>722873315
primaries know that kris also
wears ribbons
uses swords
that LOVE/ love has found it's way to them ((you)/ susie)
only things unclear are 'hope crossed on her heart', but while susie takes crossed as written on, it can also mean crossed out by definition
and of course, kris is not confirmed to be a girl (or a guy for that matter)
there's no reason to be this autistically upset when kris is a viable third candidate, if it was unintentional on toby's end then he needs to go back to writing school for accidentally adding a third person in a two people mystery
Anonymous No.722873797 >>722874061 >>722884157
>>722862407 (OP)


Just add a "Boy or Girl" option for games like this to avoid these kinds of dump internet debates.

It's soo needlessly silly.
Anonymous No.722873927
>>722873709
Considering the Japanese translation uses "ai", it's almost certainly regular love instead of LOVE. The picture for that part clearly shows the soul, though, which I believe is the actual important detail.
Anonymous No.722873991
News about the game or yagi?
Anonymous No.722874000 >>722874087 >>722874105 >>722874342
Kris was confirmed to NOT be the player's self insert by the end of chapter 1, what are you idiots talking about "hurr durr it's up to my interpretation" it is literally the crux of the entire god damn narrative that Kris ain't you.
Anonymous No.722874061
>>722873797
Yes, but Robert wants to appeal to gender-ideology ghouls. See >>722871447
Anonymous No.722874087
>>722874000
those are villain words that are meant to be dismantled. the point is still that kris is non-binary if he pleases, thoughever. it's gnostic.
Anonymous No.722874105 >>722874161 >>722874274
>>722874000
I see, this line actually is referring to Kris as "no one" since it uses third person pronouns, not us!
Anonymous No.722874161
>>722874105
At last I truly see
Anonymous No.722874274
>>722874105
Of course, why would a vessel need a gender?
Anonymous No.722874342 >>722874404 >>722874462 >>722875023 >>722906203
>>722874000
And yet the majority of players no doubt self-insert as Kris all the same.
Anonymous No.722874361
>>722872797
True. So none of this really matters.
Anonymous No.722874404 >>722874491 >>722874609
>>722874342
I doubt it, especially after the start of chapter 4. Kris is literally beating the soul off with a stick while you're controlling said soul, it's pretty fucking cut and dry that you're not Kris.
Anonymous No.722874462
>>722874342
Then the majority of players don't even understand the plain text of the narrative, let alone the subtext.
Anonymous No.722874491 >>722874636
>>722874404
Doesn't mean people will stop projecting themselves though since they also control Kris. Kris comes off as too empty of a slate not to.
Anonymous No.722874609
>>722874404
You greatly overestimate the media literacy of Deltarune players.
Anonymous No.722874636
>>722874491
>Kris comes off as too empty of a slate not to.
This requires a level of willful ignorance I don't want to believe is possible, but sadly is. By chapter 4 Kris' personality is on full display and is even discussed by the characters themselves (mostly Noelle).
Anonymous No.722874680 >>722875061
>>722873709
and if you weren't such a speedreading faggot whose only exposure to Deltarune was through Twitter and fandom.com wikis, you'd remember these crucial details that can be inferred from playing the game and paying the fuck attention:
>Susie RESISTS the prophecy and (You)r control, going off-script multiple times
>Gerson calls Susie the "white pen of hope"
>Noelle has the hots for Susie, as in fallen in love with her
>Kris has never EVER been called a girl in the entire game and has never been treated as one
You want to know why Toby likes adding in mysteries? It's because he trusts that some people playing his game can piece a picture together using the information provided from the game itself, information that you clearly lack because you NEVER played the game. If you did, you wouldn't have come up with this horseshit. Kill yourself, you're a third viable candidate for special needs programs.
Anonymous No.722874853 >>722875103
then why not ask the player their pronoun?
Anonymous No.722875023 >>722875215 >>722875257
>>722874342
they oughta self-insert into the nearest furnace. it's spelled out for these dumbfucks in chapter 4 and they still insist that Kris is Literally (You).
Anonymous No.722875061 >>722875568
>>722874680
Anon, none of those debunk FemKris theory. Susie going against the prophecy is the exact reason she is chosen to take over that role. Being called a pen of hope is because she holds the future in her hands. Kris, Susie, and Noelle (the three girl candidates) all find love in some way. Kris is called "they" to hide the fact she's a girl. If somebody blatantly called her a girl in story, the twist would be obvious instead of being a twist.
Anonymous No.722875103 >>722875307
>>722874853
Because I'd rather not validate ghoulish behavior on the off-chance someone would put in a plural pronoun or a word invented with no lingual basis.
Anonymous No.722875212 >>722875282
I'd like to note that "love finds its way to the girl" could unironically be referring to Berdly. Kris, Susie, and Noelle are all three people he flirted with.
Anonymous No.722875215 >>722875568
>>722875023
>soul (you, the player) insterts itself into kris on screen
>people still deny this
Anonymous No.722875257 >>722875568
>>722875023
I know, but Kris still seems "empty" and that's enough for most. It's only natural. Kris and the Soul are both the player to some since the player also mostly controls Kris.
Anonymous No.722875282
>>722875212
dating berdly will be the middle path gerson hinted and the one true ending
Anonymous No.722875307 >>722876108 >>722877084
>>722875103
A person choosing to be a they/them is new, singular they/them has existed for a long for someone of unknown gender ("I saw the doctor" "what did they say, did you ask them?" "he said I'm responding to an ESL indian")
Anonymous No.722875415 >>722875685
>>722862407 (OP)
>no-binary is trannycore
no wonder why the keep bitching about the pronouns
Anonymous No.722875461 >>722876936
>>722863091
annnnnd that isn't relevant to the point being made, it is a common narrative tool to make it easier for the viewer (the player) to relate to another character (Kris), WHO (the player) shares a POV with for 90% of the game.
Anonymous No.722875568 >>722876068
>>722875061
You're doing that thing again where you're making things up to fit your shitty headcanon. It's not a theory as much as its an alternate universe where this is somehow correct. There is no evidence that Kris is a girl. There will never be any evidence that Kris is a girl. And there's no proof that the heroes of the prophecy can double-dip roles, and you sure-as-shit know that NOBODY but Kris could possibly be The Cage right now. There is no setup to Kris ever being The Girl when there are TWO OTHER GIRLS that have been in the prophecy. To think otherwise is to assume that EVERY SINGLE LIGHTNER AND DARKNER is in on this twist, since EVERYONE refers to Kris as "they". Quit taking your porn stash as fact, troglodyte.
>>722875215
fuck you carlos
>>722875257
And they're wrong. They'll always be wrong about it since they're stupid. Had they just not known, I'd write it off as ignorance. But they play it and still stand by their incorrect conclusion.
Anonymous No.722875569 >>722875685
>>722862407 (OP)
I interpret Kris as non-binary.
Anonymous No.722875621 >>722876385
>>722865005
You won't stay that way.
Anonymous No.722875685
>>722875415
>>722875569

Like I said, people like to self-insert as Kris.
Anonymous No.722876068 >>722876307
>>722875568
AHEM
princess ribbon's gloves only fit kris
why would a red blooded alpha male have dainty little princess hands?
checkmate, atheist
Anonymous No.722876108
>>722875307
>A person choosing to be a they/them is new
>singular they/them has existed for a long
>"he said I'm responding to an ESL indian"
Yes, I am...
Anonymous No.722876307 >>722876421
>>722876068
That could just be how Kris would interpret piano gloves.
Anonymous No.722876385 >>722877072
>>722875621
Fresh from the Juice!
Anonymous No.722876421
>>722876307
Kris being a girl also explains why Ralsei is so gay. The popular belief is that Ralsei is made up by Kris. In that case, why does he act nothing like him?
Anonymous No.722876936 >>722880225
>>722875461
I don't care about common story elements man, just post anything that backs up OP's claims
Anonymous No.722877072
>>722876385
kek just realized the cigarette burning on this gif is the game maker stock explosion
Anonymous No.722877084 >>722877172 >>722877259 >>722882301
>>722875307
>A person choosing to be a they/them is new
And should not be encouraged.
>singular they/them has existed for a long [time] for someone of unknown gender
Proof?
Anonymous No.722877172
>>722877084
...you never read a book before?
Anonymous No.722877259 >>722877441
>>722877084
Saar, do the needful and read the example in that post
Anonymous No.722877441
>>722877259
>the example in that post
The example where the accusation is the confession?
Anonymous No.722877569 >>722877957
So that's a no about anything new to discuss then?
Anonymous No.722877957 >>722878032
>>722877569
Well, Robert being a Woke propagandist is as old as his first breakthrough hit, but it's seldom discussed for some reason...
I'm kidding. I know what the reason is.
Anonymous No.722878032 >>722878365
>>722877957
That this nonversation is unbearably boring which is why nobody is here discussing it?
Anonymous No.722878147
>>722864089
YOUR TUTU
Anonymous No.722878365 >>722879082
>>722878032
>nonversation [sic]
>unbearably boring
Whatever thought-termination works for you.
Anonymous No.722878485
since Kris has yellow skin we can assume Kris is a gook who eats rice and gets good grades. Unfortunately Toby Fox the neo nazi whitewashes Kris by making him act white. This is why jews are the real nazis
Anonymous No.722878593 >>722917119 >>722921628
Hussification will proceed to the next stage and toby will confirm kris as canonically non-binary right after he releases an update to undertale that censors a bunch of random things.
Anonymous No.722878635 >>722878836 >>722878881 >>722879427
>>722862407 (OP)
Why do fags keep saying Kris is non-binary? I thought it was rude to assume someone's gender?
Anonymous No.722878836
>>722878635
>fags keep saying Kris is non-binary
Robert, the game's creator, being one of them, yes.
Anonymous No.722878881 >>722879253
>>722878635
Pronouns indicate gender. Just don't question all the she/theys and he/theys.
Anonymous No.722879082 >>722879597
>>722878365
Well excuse me for not pretending one guy saying he/she/they over and over at themselves is a conversation or is at all interesting.
Anonymous No.722879253 >>722879597
>>722878881
She/theys and he/theys can also be non-binary. Don't expect me to explain how that works but "non-binary" is just a term for any gender identity that is not exclusively male or female.
Anonymous No.722879370
why's there so much porn of Kris getting his asspussy smashed all the time?
Anonymous No.722879427
>>722878635
you're right, it's rude to assume someone's gender. Hence the proper pronoun is "them/they".

I'm glad there are people here who aren't bigoted chuds.
Anonymous No.722879597
>>722879082
It's not, but Robert certainly insists on it, because he's a ghoul just like the "they/them" creatures who seek to abandon their humanity.
>>722879253
Why are you capitulating?
Anonymous No.722879971 >>722880140
>>722866953
>46 citings
Jesus! The deltatroons are at the point of no-return.
>>722871604
>pic
For once, a funny trollface edit.
>>722867494
LOL. Anon had a melty.
Why not make Undyne a him now, huh? Make Berdly a girl while you're at it, won't you?
Anonymous No.722880140 >>722880278
>>722879971
Berdly is literally the only male Lightner in the whole game. Without him it would a roast beef fest.
Anonymous No.722880225 >>722880330
>>722876936
a narrative tool isn't a story element you fucking retarded zoomer, its something authors use to try and manipulate the reader into feeling a specific way, or empathizing with a character.
In this instance, Toby wants (you) to empathize with Kris, as such Kris is presented in such a way that Kris, a character independent of the player, can be the same sex as the person perceiving the story.
Anonymous No.722880278
>>722880140
I think the only way to fix Deltarune is to make every single character a girl (not in name, changing sprites is required) and make all of them be Kris' bitches. Problem solved.
Anonymous No.722880330
>>722880225
Take a chill pill and post what I requested
Anonymous No.722880673 >>722881251
>722880330
>Anything I disagree with isn't actually evidence, chud
I won't respond to any more bait tonight, but god damn
Anonymous No.722881251
>>722880673
You're having a hard time believing something does not fit your interpretation like I am, we're not so different
Anonymous No.722881289
>>722862407 (OP)
I don't really care enough about a fictional character's feelings to pretend I don't see a boy when I look at him.
Anonymous No.722882301 >>722882660 >>722883258
>>722877084
Anonymous No.722882450 >>722882473 >>722884125
Why was there a bloodstain on Kris's rug?
Ripping out the SOUL seems painful but it doesn't make them bleed.
Anonymous No.722882473
>>722882450
Cut himself on his knife.
Anonymous No.722882545 >>722883309
i dont care what you, toby, the game, or the fandom says this little blue ass nigger is a HE until im jerking off to female kris porn
Anonymous No.722882660 >>722883085
>>722882301
that clearly refers to multiple individuals,
>there is not a man I meet but doth salute me
meaning no singular man, but every man he meets salutes him.
>As if I were their well-acquainted friend;
meaning all men he meets salute him as if he was a friend.
I know you are a zoomer who flunked out of high school English, but come on.
Anonymous No.722883085 >>722883258
>>722882660
Past writers used "they" when referring to an unknown number of people (including one). Gender ideologs took this to mean the singular they was a mainstay of the English language.
Anonymous No.722883258
>>722883085
>Gender ideologs took this to mean the singular they was a mainstay of the English language
Like (You) are in >>722882301, yes.
Anonymous No.722883309 >>722883394 >>722883397 >>722883517
>>722882545
>female kris porn

what a pussy. real men jerk off to femboy kris porn.
Anonymous No.722883394
>>722883309
femboys in hentai are literally just flat girls with a cock
Anonymous No.722883397
>>722883309
>femboy
Or, more properly, a "soft" autogynephile.
Anonymous No.722883517 >>722883846
>>722883309
how many /v/irgins are actual trannies vs how many /v/irgins are actually AGP coomers ?
Anonymous No.722883521 >>722884205
>blah blah blah
Just start posting female Kris with fat tits already
Anonymous No.722883535
At this point if you get blindsided by the story's obvious setups because you can't let go of your headcanons, its on (you)
Anonymous No.722883717
I present the only evidence needed. The prophecy says Love will find the girl. Everyone is hung up on who the girl in the image is.

Here you go. Did you forget that in Chapter 3 Noelle is clearly portrayed in the backstage game fully wearing her cloak? The person in the image of the prophecy to me clearly looks like they have a hood over their head.

Wanna know another thing?
Unless this information changed, before 3 and 4 got released people were data mining and fucking with everything they could that was inaccessible.

>what's interesting about that
They discovered something very interesting about a weapon.
What is that?

Noelle can equip swords.

Know what else is interesting?

Ralaei near the end of chapter 4 remarks about knowing what equipment Noelle should be able to equip. He doesn't explicitly state she can wield a sword but if you don't think this line from Ralaei is important then you aren't interested in discussing theory with established facts.
Anonymous No.722883791 >>722883834
>>722862407 (OP)
I came up with an oc hero who wanted to destroy the world and Chara ruined that archetype for me by being non-binary according to the stupid game.
Anonymous No.722883834
>>722883791
The troons are destroying the world, to be fair.
Anonymous No.722883846
>>722883517
100% of trannies are AGP coomers so that’s a strange question.
Anonymous No.722883864 >>722883882
I wasn't around for the release threads of chapter 3 + 4, what were they like?
Anonymous No.722883882 >>722884946
>>722883864
DOE
RAPE
Anonymous No.722883886
Post me them broody male or burly overly masculine Kris bros. We need to make Noelle, Elnina, Susie and Alphys sweat. ..and for the weird incest-bros, sure, let's make Toriel sweat too.
Anonymous No.722883992
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7hmApmqfOc&list=RDW7hmApmqfOc&start_radio=1
Anonymous No.722883997 >>722884046
Im playing undertale for the first time.
Do I have to smack around some enemies to get the spare option or can i 100% use act
Anonymous No.722884046
>>722883997
Smack around or the right Act combinations will always work.
Anonymous No.722884116 >>722885248
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfxE5c9sAjY&list=RDDfxE5c9sAjY&start_radio=1
Anonymous No.722884125
>>722882450
period blood
in all seriousness probably something related to the soul, maybe there was more gore the first time kris ripped it out
Anonymous No.722884157
>>722873797
That would be raysis
Anonymous No.722884205
>>722883521
the buppies
Anonymous No.722884258 >>722884819
>>722863173
>"a cage, with human soul and parts"
>is mentioned as a separate hero from "The Girl"
please stop posting this it's really embarrassing seeing someone be this illiterate and stupid multiple threads in a row
Anonymous No.722884552 >>722884970
>>722862407 (OP)
>everyone refers to Kris as they/them
they're obviously referring to Kris and Me...
Anonymous No.722884819
>>722884258
Anon, the cage is the vessel. Kris stole the soul from it in order to assume its role. It's really not that complicated.
Anonymous No.722884946
>>722883882
okay lol
Anonymous No.722884970
>>722884552
Anonymous No.722885248 >>722885431
>>722884116
you're overdosing on freedom
Anonymous No.722885431
>>722885248
MY CHOICES WILL MATTER, TOBY!!
Anonymous No.722887489 >>722887591
>>722862407 (OP)
meds
Anonymous No.722887591 >>722891060
>>722887489
Damn you to hell and then some, agent of Satan.
Anonymous No.722887642
>>722862407 (OP)
Toby outright says your choices don't matter. He made Kris specifically non-binary and we all just have to deal with it. For those calling him a he, there's no proof that Kris was ever male.
Anonymous No.722888450
>>722862407 (OP)
No one cares, get back to protecting/betraying your friends.
Anonymous No.722888773
>Me? I think no matter how dark a story gets, it should always have a happy ending.
>So, how does YOUR story end youngster?
Anonymous No.722888781
>>722863173
Can't wait for your suicide once your yurifag brain gets a really check.
Anonymous No.722891060
>>722887591
Retard.
Anonymous No.722891131 >>722891235 >>722893712 >>722953281
I dunno how explicit this game can get about Kris not being a player self-insert without Toby actually having an annoying-dog segment calling you a fucking retard.

Though this applies also to the people out there who believe the soul/player isn't an in-universe entity and doesn't actually exist and Kris is making all the choices.
Anonymous No.722891235 >>722891627 >>722892198 >>722893712
>>722891131
If Kris isn't a blank slate for the player to project onto, why bother with the neo-gender nonsense?
Anonymous No.722891627 >>722891809
>>722891235
I feel you haven't paid much attention to Kris to even be asking this question
Anonymous No.722891809 >>722891843 >>722892198
>>722891627
>I approve of the subversive bullshit, so I'm not going to make it make sense
Got it, ghoul.
Anonymous No.722891843 >>722891917
>>722891809
This kind of shitposting is exhausting to read and put up with anon
Anonymous No.722891917 >>722892198
>>722891843
I agree, you should stop doing it.
Anonymous No.722892198 >>722892376
>>722891235
>>722891809
>>722891917
The replies of a man who knows the answer to his own question, got mad his bait wasn't taken, and stammered out
>no u
Anonymous No.722892376
>>722892198
>knows the answer to his own question
To support the gender-ideology ghoulishness that Robert habitually capitulates to, if not participates in in the form of crossdressing, yes.
>>no u
Yes, because I know for a fact I'm not shitposting, so when someone else calls it out, I can only assume he's referring to himself.
Anonymous No.722893712 >>722893885 >>722894417 >>722895917
>>722891131
Kris is their own character, and not an empty vessel for us to mold and shape as we please
At the same time, Kris is still the protagonist, no matter how much they resent it. Kris is not a "self-insert," but we have literally been inserted into them, and we are unavoidably meant to relate to their life and struggles that we're playing out. Identifying with Kris, more deeply and personally than with other characters, is an intended and necessary part of the experience that Toby Fox is exploring here.
Recognizing that Kris is their own person is not the "answer" to the dilemma here, in the same way that Undertale isn't just "killing is bad." If you stop thinking there you can't keep going further and deeper into what the story wants to explore with your experience.

>>722891235
Kris being they/them maintains a superposition of ambiguity that lets both /v/irgins and Twitter lesbians identify and relate to their experiences and simultaneously gives them an identity distinct from 99.5% of the people playing the game. Your connection with Kris is never strained by the pretense of gendered experiences, and yet the fact that you are not them is reinforced every time someone calls them "they" instead of "he" or "she."

TL;DR Toby can have it both ways.
Anonymous No.722893885 >>722894865
>>722893712
I doubt they/them is any deeper than Kris Is Two Niggas And One Is A Heart plus his whole thing about wanting to be a monster and not a human
Anonymous No.722894037
>>722862407 (OP)
Didn't read, but that's a dude.
Anonymous No.722894417 >>722894484 >>722894865
>>722893712
>Kris being they/them maintains a superposition of ambiguity that lets both /v/irgins and Twitter lesbians identify and relate to their experiences
So a character needs to either have your gender or no gender at all for you to relate to them. Got it.
>Your connection with Kris is never strained by the pretense of gendered experiences
Except when the neo-gender is put in front of my face, reminding me that Robert is a post-modernist, subversive gender ideologue.
>the fact that you are not them
Is self-evident, yet Robert thinks he's being such a clever little girl by making it part of the Narrativeβ„’.
>[Robert] can have it both ways
He certainly wants to, like any gender ideologue...
Anonymous No.722894484 >>722894628
>>722894417
never ask a subversion complainer what's being subverted
Anonymous No.722894628 >>722894681
>>722894484
Language, culture, and human concepts of sexuality. Never ask a Robert Fox fan about the pictures of his favorite game developer in a dress...
Anonymous No.722894681 >>722894713
>>722894628
boring
Anonymous No.722894713
>>722894681
>thought-termination
How typical.
Anonymous No.722894837
>>722871408
why would i pay a man who's gonna ruin it over pronouns thoughalbeit?>
Anonymous No.722894865 >>722894914 >>722895049 >>722895141
>>722893885
>Kris Is Two Niggas
Nobody knows this except Ralsei and Carol and it probably didn't happen until recently, and you and Kris are still not the same person, anyone could address Kris individually. This is not a serious explanation.
>plus his whole thing about wanting to be a monster and not a human
Most monsters are boys or girls and Kris was raised by Toriel as her own child, there's no reason they couldn't have been Asriel's brother or sister.
The simple answer is that Toby wants as many people as possible to be able to identify with Kris, just like Frisk and Chara. Unlike with Undertale writing around their identity was impossible, so he just faced it head-on and it works out.

>>722894417
>So a character needs to either have your gender or no gender at all for you to relate to them
You have not had the life experiences of a 16-year-old tumblr lesbian and would not relate to them. Those girls who play this game can relate to Kris, because Kris is not explicitly a boy and therefore their experiences and relationships are not viewed as gendered experiences. Many young men on here relate to Kris's relationships with Susie and Noelle (and Ralsei) in ways that they would not if Kris were a girl and those relationships were explicitly lesbian ones (as others perceive them to be). We relate other people's experiences to our own and view them through our own lens, seeing what we know and want to see, that's how people work.
Anonymous No.722894914
>>722894865
Kris dissociates, in case you were too thick to get what was meant by any of that.
Anonymous No.722895005
my question is
why does it matter
no one refers to kris with anything other than they/them, if you call kris a he or she that's called a headcanon, why are a bunch of PENIS WIELDING MEN crying about whos headcanon is more canon?
Anonymous No.722895049 >>722895617
>>722894865
>Many young men on here relate to Kris's relationships with Susie and Noelle (and Ralsei) in ways that they would not if Kris were a girl and those relationships were explicitly lesbian ones
by your explanation girls can't relate to kris, why not?
Anonymous No.722895141
>>722894865
>You have not had the life experiences of a 16-year-old tumblr lesbian
Thank. God. Maye that's why I have zero patience for this ideological navel-gazing...
>We relate other people's experiences to our own and view them through our own lens, seeing what we know and want to see, that's how people work.
Yes, yes, very interesting, it's called "Selecting 'Boy' or 'Girl' on the start screen."
>oh, but what if a poor, lonely ghoul who doesn't want to be either sex plays the game and---
Unlike Robert, I don't believe in showing mercy to monsters.
Anonymous No.722895182 >>722895345 >>722895826
Is this why they killed off Dess?
Anonymous No.722895345 >>722895392
>>722895182
>weed
The evidence keeps piling on against this character's case. Too bad Robert is never going to go there at the risk of pissing off his fellow gender ideologues, meeting one of them alone in a closed room and becoming the next death for ghouls to celebrate...
Anonymous No.722895392 >>722895446 >>722895530
>>722895345
>Too bad Robert is never going to go there
snowgrave is about raping noelle and you think he wouldn't go there? not even a little?
Anonymous No.722895446
>>722895392
man is very busy trying to pwn tobert from the comfort of /v/, he can't be bothered with these details right now
Anonymous No.722895530 >>722895562 >>722895654 >>722896125
>>722895392
He'll be Stunning and Braveβ„’ for depicting gaming's first "non-binary" anti-hero, but never show the causes of such ghoulishness; because he sympathizes with ghouls, which is what his games are about.
Anonymous No.722895562
>>722895530
i just said snowgrave is about rape
have you played the game or are you mad at a homo game made by a homostuck fan for the fun of it?
Anonymous No.722895609
Why is this shitty thread still up
Anonymous No.722895617
>>722895049
>by your explanation girls can't relate to kris
In the sentence before that I explained why they can
If Kris were explicitly a boy (or a girl), then the girls (or boys) who play this game would not be able to see his (or her) experiences as their own. Even if the only difference in the text was their pronouns, this profoundly affects how the story is received. But Kris is seen as neither, and therefore anyone can reflect on Kris's experiences as their own.
Anonymous No.722895654 >>722895784 >>722919595
>>722895530
actually his games are about how raping deer girls is fine because they like it
Anonymous No.722895784 >>722895873 >>722900281
>>722895654
Only if you play the "bad" route, and you do that by doing the good thing and killing monsters (in this case, just the "lesser" monsters).
Anonymous No.722895826
>>722895182
Irredemable character, glad Asgore killed her
Anonymous No.722895873 >>722895990
>>722895784
did you watch the game on youtube or something, you only kill darkners in chapter 2, the real rape scene is in chapter 4, and kris can kill darkners regardless of being in the weird or normal route if you slaughter spawns using the black knife. the game even puts a kill counter on kris
Anonymous No.722895917 >>722897870
>>722893712
fuck kris. he's a dick.
Anonymous No.722895990 >>722896125 >>722896302
>>722895873
>did you watch the game on youtube or something
Yes, because I don't give money to ghoul sympathizers or, given the photos of Robert in drag, ghouls themselves.
Anonymous No.722896125 >>722896201
>>722895530
>>722895990
>obsessed with a game you've never played
/v/ermin moment
Anonymous No.722896201
>>722896125
I don't need to drive the car when I saw with my own eyes that the mechanic sabotaged it.
Anonymous No.722896302 >>722896380
>>722895990
did you know that pirating is a thing or does your high school chromebook have parental locks. there are so many other games to play but here you are in a deltarune thread
Anonymous No.722896380 >>722896414 >>722896486
>>722896302
>did you know that pirating is a thing
Why would I propagandize to myself, even if it costs me zero in liquid currency?
Anonymous No.722896414 >>722896656
>>722896380
soooo why are you trying to incorrectly explain game mechanics to me
Anonymous No.722896486 >>722896656
>>722896380
>Why would I propagandize to myself
What the fuck does that mean?
Anonymous No.722896656 >>722896740
>>722896414
>game mechanics
I've only ever talked about the story. The one where all of Robert's subversive, ghoulish ideas are expressed.
>>722896486
Why would I knowingly subject myself to adversarial propaganda?
Anonymous No.722896740 >>722897248
>>722896656
you talked about the killing mechanics in chapter 2 incorrectly which aren't exclusive to chapter 2 anyway. you are subjecting yourself to your triggers by watching it on youtube, why do you do this? is it self harm, kek
Anonymous No.722897248 >>722900281
>>722896740
>you talked about the killing mechanics in chapter 2
Where?
>you are subjecting yourself to your triggers
Yes, I'm "triggered" by the continued normalization of anti-human ideologies by ghouls like Robert Fox.
Anonymous No.722897338 >>722897454
I think you're both stupid. Also, Tobert is very gay but I think that's why if he was going to confirm kris was nb, he would have done it by now. He wouldn't miss a chance to please his most obnoxious fans.
Anonymous No.722897454
>>722897338
>if he was going to confirm kris was nb, he would have done it by now
Like referring to the character in the third-person plural at a convention?
>He wouldn't miss a chance to please his most obnoxious fans
He already did. It's in the text of the game.
Anonymous No.722897870 >>722898117 >>722898798 >>722899581
>>722895917
>fuck kris
God I wish
Anonymous No.722898117 >>722898798
>>722897870
krips...
bnuuy
Anonymous No.722898798 >>722898969
>>722897870
>>722898117
Does Kris have the same rights as monsters? could a monster decide to keep him as a pet if they wanted to? he might be on the same level as a domesticated animal in a monster world for all we know.
Anonymous No.722898812 >>722898951
I am so sick of transgenders and the whole mental illness talk and the people who were brought about because of it. The original reason they them was a thing in undertale was so that the player could feel like the Avatar that they are controlling is of the same sex. This was before the political Madness and transgenderism and whatever mental illnesses there was. I love how trannies will completely obsess over the fictional gender of a fictional character for hours on end. They pay more attention to that than the story itself and they shit up these threads with the talk. It is 2025. Please shut up. Let's talk about the knight or let's talk about the fountains or let's talk about the Goner hand Theory. Let's not talk about what's inside of kris's pants alright?
Anonymous No.722898848
>Toriel makes an offhand comment about giving away Kris' "girly clothes"
>Kris' gender is never again addressed
Your response?
Anonymous No.722898951
>>722898812
>The original reason they them was a thing in undertale was so that the player could feel like the Avatar that they are controlling is of the same sex
It's called "selecting 'boy' or 'girl' when starting a new game."
>This was before the political Madness and transgenderism and whatever mental illnesses there was
You clearly were not here 11 years ago.
Anonymous No.722898969
>>722898798
it's unclear where humans stand in society in deltarune, gerson wrote a book on human/ monster relations and there is a manual on how to raise humans
iirc one of the japanese promotions for deltarune mention that the circumstances of kris' adoption are a mystery and asks where all the other humans are, i'm not sure if that was speculation on their own end or toby being a weeb again and adding shit only for the nips
Anonymous No.722899102 >>722905768 >>722906985 >>722954716
I don't like the fact that when I talk to others about the Weird Route they assume I'm some NTR faggot who wants to cuck Kris

I want to help Kris get laid and make babies with Noelle
I am the ultimate wingman
Anonymous No.722899169 >>722899423 >>722899763
>>722863173
Kris (assigned female at birth) didn't want to fit in a role (the girl) and summons you to help THEM go through THEY gender transitions phase.
Deltarune is trans allegory and chuds can cry me a river
Anonymous No.722899423 >>722899498
>>722899169
>assigned female at birth
I can't wait until this phrase is legally banned in all manner of public speech that isn't blatantly condemning the concept.
Anonymous No.722899498 >>722899698
>>722899423
>Please daddy trump go and change my diapers
Pathetic
Anonymous No.722899581
>>722897870
>Have only one human in town
>Said human is literally perfect.

How is it no monster has tried to directly date him yet?
Anonymous No.722899698 >>722899891
>>722899498
Some ideas need to be banned from public dissemination, like child pornography or instructions to build a low-yield or dirty nuclear bomb.
Anonymous No.722899763
>>722899169
you cannot be 'assigned' male or female, you are either one or the other, hermaphrodites are too rare to be worth considering either
there's a non zero chance that kris didn't summon the soul, the guy speaking in the vessel creation certainly seems like he wanted (you) to be there and is happy you were
why kris has the soul is still a mystery, and given that kris only barely tolerates it makes me think that it isn't a simple 'he stole it' either
if kris was intended to be the girl, the details of it likely scared the piss out of kris to tolerate (you)'re shit and try and pretend to be the cage instead in an attempt to subvert it, or at the very least change his own fate
why he seems ok with susie doing it is anyone's guess, maybe he thinks she can handle whatever it is or maybe he accidentally caught feelings for her and now has to deal with that too, we don't know
Anonymous No.722899891 >>722900247
>>722899698
>Defending censorship
I was shitposting between, you you Trumpnoggers really deserve the rope
Anonymous No.722900247
>>722899891
>>Defending censorship
Does saying this mean you defend CP, or guides to building weapons of mass destruction?
Anonymous No.722900281 >>722900510
>>722897248
>Where?
>>722895784
Anonymous No.722900510
>>722900281
I asked where I talked about the killing mechanics, not the story.
Anonymous No.722901115 >>722902196
Kris is an it/its because it is merely my tool I use to interface with the world of Deltarune, actually.
Anonymous No.722901230 >>722902880
>deltatroons so desperate for a thread they'll bump a meaningless AGP centered thread just to have something on the board
Slow week for you retards or something?
Anonymous No.722902196 >>722902880 >>722902880
>>722901115
Based, I'm all in for Kris suffering
Anonymous No.722902386
my name? is susie gaster boom
Anonymous No.722902880 >>722905026
>>722901230
Seems like it. >>722902196
>>722902196
Anonymous No.722903520
Mods fix it
Anonymous No.722904110 >>722904852 >>722905287
#1 hole in anyone's assertion that kris is nonbinary:
toby is a wokeazoid. his games have lesbians and mettaton is pretty obviously somewhat inspired by trans culture. if kris WAS nonbinary, don't you think he wouldn't be afraid to say it? toby would have no fuckin problems saying kris is nonbinary if it were actually the case. furthermore he called kris a "he" on accident in one deleted tweet, he obviously doesnt think of kris as nonbinary completely
Anonymous No.722904852 >>722904947
>>722904110
>[Robert] is a wokeazoid
And now many should understand my inherent distrust of him and his work.
>if kris WAS nonbinary, don't you think he wouldn't be afraid to say it?
Both the characters in-game and Robert himself refer to the character in the third-person plural. He already said it.
>he called kris a "he" on accident in one deleted tweet
Yes, even the ghouls don't believe everything they say themselves, and have to "correct" themselves from time to time.
Anonymous No.722904947 >>722905104 >>722905357
>>722904852
who is robert bro
Anonymous No.722905026
>>722902880
Are you ok anon? You seem upset
Anonymous No.722905104 >>722905357
>>722904947
It's how he signs his posts.
Anonymous No.722905287 >>722905724
>>722904110
>if kris WAS nonbinary, don't you think he wouldn't be afraid to say it?
On the contrary, Toby is so deep in the faggot pipeline that he believes it doesn't need to be said. Alphys or Noelle never came out and said "I'm a lesbian!" or Mettaton "I'm trans!" The worlds Toby makes have an underlying element of faggotry that's so deeply ingrained that it doesn't need to be made explicit, like background radiation. You'll never hear anyone in-universe or out-of-universe call Kris non-binary because it's simply understood to be true.
Anonymous No.722905357
>>722904947
>>722905104
The creator of the game.
Anonymous No.722905724 >>722907306
>>722905287
counterpoint:
Anonymous No.722905768
>>722899102
A wingman into a soon-to-be-loveless marriage.
Anonymous No.722905926 >>722906502
>>722868059
>Self-insert
Kris is explicitly separate from the player, retard. Kill yourself.
Anonymous No.722906019
>>722871331
>pic
I like the original dialogue more.
Anonymous No.722906203
>>722874342
>no doubt
So it's just projection from you.
Anonymous No.722906502
>>722905926
>no, you see, you control this character throughout the story, but due to this GENIUS innovation of narrative interaction...!
Robert did a quirky thing to look "cool" to the post-modernists in his audience and make them navel-gaze about metanarrative something-something bullshit. You can all stop polishing his balls, now.
Anonymous No.722906552 >>722906616 >>722906961
I want Kris to plap Asriel's ass. (real)
Anonymous No.722906616
>>722906552
I want to, delicately, insert my fingers inside Asriel mouth
Anonymous No.722906905
>>722862407 (OP)
Idk they never used their cool guy deodorant so they seem pretty non binary to me and like to wear ribbons.
Anonymous No.722906961
>>722906552
I want to cuddle with Asriel (forma de universidad) non-sexually
Anonymous No.722906962
>>722863173
Uhhh I'm pretty sure that "love" is the anagram Sans mentions in Undertale. I think the game is hinting at were probably gonna pilot Susie
Anonymous No.722906985
>>722899102
Remember this post seething about Krusie and Kriselle, and the replies showing that they aren't self-inserting?
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/712575491/#712576540
Anonymous No.722907010
>>722867805
Imagine choosing gender as a political option go back and watch asmondgold chid
Anonymous No.722907221 >>722908042 >>722917284
What was Dess’s fucking problem?
Anonymous No.722907306
>>722905724
These are fine examples on their own of certain characters merely being gender ambiguous instead of non-binary, but they're retroactively soured by the revelation that even close friends of they/them characters still refer to them as they/them.
Anonymous No.722907439
>>722863173
This only happens if you screw up and the player possess Noelle.
Anonymous No.722908042
>>722907221
Why would Chara do this?
Anonymous No.722908779 >>722909770
>>722862407 (OP)
This, actually this, so much this. I can't with faggots anymore we need a cleanse.
Anonymous No.722908892
>>722862407 (OP)
I like the part when Ralsei is a horse haha!
Anonymous No.722909770
>>722908779
The Deltarune development team is objectively the wokest single clique of people in the industry
Deltarune is woke down to its essential DNA, it can't even exist without woke, that's the tradeoff
Anonymous No.722910007
Should PENUMBRA PHANTASM play during shadow crystal route or Weird route?
>Toby said no homestuck motifs in the game
There's still gonna be a song called PENUMBRA PHANTASM in the ost, inevitably
Anonymous No.722910012
>>722869907
Susie looks like a guy and the goat like a girl. It doesn't mean shit in this tranny game
Anonymous No.722911323 >>722913381 >>722913908 >>722922272 >>722929187 >>722929840
What’s the appeal?
Anonymous No.722911401 >>722911738
>>722862407 (OP)
Nigger who the fuck cares
Anonymous No.722911738
>>722911401
Robert does, seeing that he wrote in-game dialogue to refer to Kris in the third-person plural, as well as refer to the character in the same way at convention panels. He's a ghoul, and his actions denote alliance with ghouls over humans.
Anonymous No.722911807 >>722911936
>>722869907
>>722870008
>>722871056
The amount of mental gymnastics to interpret Kris as a sexless being. There's not a single girl of any age who looks like this.
Anonymous No.722911936
>>722911807
>The amount of mental gymnastics to interpret Kris as a sexless being
And it's the canon interpretation, too...
Anonymous No.722913381
>>722911323
Dumb, vulnerable, needs to be protected.
Anonymous No.722913680 >>722917769
>>722867227
The Cutting Room Floor also recently got a hold of a very late beta for Undertale about a week before the game's release, and one of the major differences is that Napstablook used to have male pronouns, but were changed to they/them at the last minute.
Anonymous No.722913908
>>722911323
Purple dumb barney girl makes me feel things
Anonymous No.722915653 >>722916467 >>722916626
>>722866631
>kris is obviously meant to be a massive fuck you to people that portrayed Chara as unapologetically evil post Undertale
absolutely delusional, you know toby's been writing kris since BEFORE undertale, right?
Anonymous No.722916467 >>722916626 >>722917015
>>722915653
Yes, the oikophobia we today call "Woke" did not emerge from the aether one day in 2014, or 2012, or any particular date you might remember thinking
>wow, these uh... these libs might be a bit cuh-RAAAY-zee...
>and not in the "cool" way that our culture normalizes and respects, at least I don't think so...
Anonymous No.722916542 >>722941989 >>722950339
>>722862407 (OP)
Correct. Non-binary shit is gay and non-canon.
Kris - Male
Chara - Female
Frisk - Female
Anonymous No.722916626
>>722915653
>>722916467
>inb4 uh-buh-buh... RELEVENCE???!?
Writing "non-binary" and "gender-nonconforming" characters is a symptom of what I'm describing, so yes, very much of it to go around.
Anonymous No.722917015 >>722917189
>>722916467
>oikophobia
HE SAID IT!
Anonymous No.722917119
>>722878593
To be fair, he said in the Undertale stream he wouldn't update the game because he likes it as it is.
Anonymous No.722917189 >>722917553 >>722918054
>>722917015
Yes, now are you going to tell me why that's inaccurate, or is reducing your brain to the rough equivalent of that of a seal and clapping satisfactory?
Anonymous No.722917284
>>722907221
You freaks added those white dialogues didn't you
Anonymous No.722917553 >>722918014
>>722917189
Oikophobia is hatred of one's own host culture which can be seen everywhere in modern AAA games. Nothing about Toby Fox indicates anything similar. Hometown in Deltarune is a positive portrayal of a charming New England town, and its customs are treated favorably. In Toby's own personal life, he does not hate either the New England culture he grew up in nor the Japanese culture he lives in now. In fact, he has acclimatized himself to Japan and is an example of a model immigrant.
Anonymous No.722917769
>>722913680
It's insane how the fanbase is so puritanical about characte genders that were last minute changes on a whim that Toby evidently doesn't care about. Objectively, Napstablook was written as a dude.
Anonymous No.722918014
>>722917553
>Nothing about [the cross-dressing, murder-cult-donating game developer with Satanist friends] indicates anything similar
Right...
>a charming New England town
Where oikophobic, proto-Woke tendencies have been normalized for centuries, yes.
>he has acclimatized himself to Japan and is an example of a model immigrant
Yes, because nobody with hatred for his own culture would leave to colonize and spread his pathology to a new one that's already vulnerable to it by way of Western post-War occupation...
Anonymous No.722918054 >>722918369
>>722917189
Anon, if you are seriously expecting me to argue with you, then you are making a grave mistake of assuming that I consider you my equal, as opposed to a funny animal that makes amusing noises.
Anonymous No.722918172
i don’t get why i should respect this fags proper terms when he repeatedly shoves my little nigga in a shoebox so he can jerk off or whatever.
Anonymous No.722918369 >>722925452
>>722918054
>if you are seriously expecting me to argue with you
I wasn't, given you already did the brain-reduction-seal-clapping thing...
>you are making a grave mistake of assuming that I consider you my equal
No, I assumed you had an undeserved, over-inflated sense of self importance. Thank you for the confirmation.
Anonymous No.722918558
>>722862407 (OP)
>Kris is not canonically non-binary in-universe, the game just doesn't specify Kris's pronouns because Toby wants you to self-insert as them and to imagine Kris as being whatever you want.
Yes.
Anonymous No.722919496 >>722919986 >>722920487 >>722930601
is it not the whole fucking point that you're supposed to selfinsert as kris so that the game can then go "Actually you're just stealing kris's body" ??
are you not undermining the whole thing the writing tries to set you up for by just going "omg they/them kris is NB!"?
i wonder what toby himself is thinking about this. he seems the type of guy that'd be pissed about the community the game has attracted, much like peppy
Anonymous No.722919595
>>722895654
Missing Snowgrave fanart Noelle, which looks like a Death Note cover
Anonymous No.722919986 >>722920185
>>722919496
>the whole thing the writing tries to set you up for
Writing like multiple characters referring to a singular character in the third-person plural?
>i wonder what toby himself is thinking about this
Peachy, knowing that useful idiots will do mental double-backflips through flaming hula hoops to ignore the subversive propaganda that his game is.
Anonymous No.722920185 >>722920704
>>722919986
are you capable of reading past the words in a work and consider what the writer's intent may be or what it may be setting you up for or maybe what game purpose it serves, or can you really only see a word and react to it
Anonymous No.722920487 >>722921951 >>722929342
>>722919496
No doubt he has a love/hate relationship with the community as best, but he seems content to avoid controversy. He interacts mostly with the Japanese side of the fanbase, which is less insane overall. I think he knows that directly attacking the core beliefs of over fifty percent of his western audience is more trouble than it's worth.
Anonymous No.722920704
>>722920185
>consider what the writer's intent may be
Like when he uses the third-person plural to refer to the same singular character at a convention panel?
>what it may be setting you up for
At least you admit he's setting his audience up...
>what game purpose it serves
I know exactly what purpose it serves: Normalization, the fourth stage. The rest is window dressing for navel-gazers.
Anonymous No.722921628
>>722878593
>H*ss*f*c*t**n
Please don't utter such accursed and evil things in public spaces
Anonymous No.722921951
>>722920487
Plus they draw the best art and overall just enjoy the game rather than waste their time arguing about nonsense like the west.
Anonymous No.722922272
>>722911323
Huge tits, soulmate, simple, affection target, can protect and deserve being protected. Trashy look is a cheap hooker fantasy.
Anonymous No.722922652 >>722923107
>>722867492
Chris is not a "they" because there is no such thing for a human. You are either a boy or a girl, there is no "in-between" or "n/a" option
Anonymous No.722923107 >>722923175
>>722922652
>there is no such thing for a human
Try telling that to the game's own creator...
Anonymous No.722923175 >>722923467
>>722923107
Kris will be revealed definitively as a boy or a girl, as part of the whole "hes his own separate entity and NOT your self insert" twist. Trust the plan
Anonymous No.722923467
>>722923175
And all of the gender-ideologue ghouls he courted thus far (and is one of, given his crossdressing photos) will take that in stride, surely...
Anonymous No.722923541
>>722862407 (OP)
stop being such a triggered snowflake lmao
Anonymous No.722924016 >>722924604 >>722924647
all this talk of gazing at navels is giving me naughty thoughts
Anonymous No.722924604 >>722932543
>>722924016
Is there context why Chara is dressed like a Metal Gear villain?
Anonymous No.722924647 >>722929840
>>722924016
Human midriff...
Anonymous No.722925452 >>722935261
>>722918369
God, it's like there's not a single original thought in your head, you are literal NPC who spouts random buzzwords non-stop. I've been right not treating you like an actual human being.
Anonymous No.722925943 >>722926030 >>722927245
shut the fuck up about pronouns and chew on this
PAPYRUS IS THE SHADOW CRYSTAL BOSS OF CHAPTER 5
Anonymous No.722926030
>>722925943
I unironically believe this. Disbelief Papyrus is real.
Anonymous No.722927178 >>722936880 >>722954947
post kino fan covers
https://youtu.be/RaUAEIKPxPY
Anonymous No.722927245
>>722925943
I fucking hope not, having Toby's take on "hard blue soul" sounds boring after 1000 sans fangames.
Anonymous No.722929187
>>722911323
A cool bro who is also a sweet girl that wants to lower her defenses and make friends
Anonymous No.722929342
>>722920487
makes a lot of sense. i can see why peppy moved to japan too thinking about it like that
Anonymous No.722929639
WHERE IS THE BOY
I HATE THE GENDERS
WHERE IS THE YAGI
WHERE IS THE NEWSLETTERS
Anonymous No.722929840 >>722930113
>>722924647
>Badtale
>Image contains good girls
>Game has confusing mechanics

>>722911323
Fren girlfren i guess
Anonymous No.722930113
>>722929840
I don't know what that AU is. I just found it online. Although them being good or bad depends on your point of view.
Anonymous No.722930601 >>722930946
>>722919496
On one hand, yeah, the game very clearly wants (you) to be ambiguous about Kris's gender for self-insert sake, on the other hand, and as of right now, stating that Kris's gender is anything but ambiguous and thus nb/gnc is not only wrong but also goes against the game narrative of "assigning your characteristics to Kris would be wrong because they are their own person".
This also does not undermine the "set up" because that reveal already happened in the very first fucking chapter, the game already went "you ain't Kris" and the game (and Toby) still insists on "they/they btw".
Anonymous No.722930946 >>722931698
>>722930601
>the game already went "you ain't Kris" and the game (and Toby) still insists on "they/they btw"
fair point, though i'm not sure if that's the case because "kris is nb" or just because "that's how the game started". i could see it feeling awkward to pick a direction like that halfway into the game, it'd be weird if suddenly halfway in all the characters changed how they refer to kris, right?
Anonymous No.722931195 >>722931447 >>722931506 >>722931728 >>722932259 >>722932443 >>722935342
>400 posts of pronoun discussion
for fucks sake
Anonymous No.722931407
can you guys go one thread without talking about pronouns
you can choose not to engage with topics that upset you
i swear to god its like you WANT to be angry or something
Anonymous No.722931447 >>722932693 >>722933198
>>722931195
>~391
Currently is this or gay men on /vg/
It happens
But we're running out of topics no?
Anonymous No.722931506
>>722931195
This is a Deltatroon thread. What the fuck did you expect?
Anonymous No.722931698
>>722930946
>I could see it feeling awkward to pick a direction like that halfway into the game, it'd be weird if suddenly halfway in all the characters changed how they refer to kris, right?
Oh absolutely, and unless the game goes:
>Kris is actually the girl from the prophecy and it's trying to avoid it via they/them
or
>"I AM A DUDE HE/HIM" *after ripping the soul out*
Kris's pronouns will remain gender neutral, the meta-narrative might be that ambiguity is needed for self-insertion, but right now we don't have an in-universe explanation for Kris's pronouns being neutral, if we never get one Kris will just remain as gender neutral in-universe, thus nb/gnc.
Anonymous No.722931728 >>722932857
>>722931195
Literally every other thread archived. /v/ only likes pronouns.
Anonymous No.722932259
>>722931195
It's 99% one dude replying to himself.
Anonymous No.722932443 >>722932750
>>722931195
All the real people are waiting for Yagi.
This thread is Samefag Shithole
Anonymous No.722932543 >>722936267
>>722924604
Does tummy need context
Anonymous No.722932693
>>722931447
fuck off charaspammer
Anonymous No.722932750 >>722932923
>>722932443
still mad about the thread you got outed?
Anonymous No.722932773 >>722933347 >>722933652
You fags are worse than tumblr sometimes I swear.
Anonymous No.722932857 >>722933074
>>722931728
No they don't.
Anonymous No.722932923
>>722932750
"Outed" for what you retard from /vg/?
Anonymous No.722933074 >>722933218 >>722933652
>>722932857
There was a Noelle thread that got archived at 200 posts. Human gender war is what /v/ wants.
Anonymous No.722933198
>>722931447
Keep posting CharaGOD.
Anonymous No.722933218
>>722933074
You still haven't brought Yagi you samefagging fuckup.
Anonymous No.722933347
>>722932773
it's a great mystery
the real problem is fags trying to make this a crusade
Anonymous No.722933374 >>722933620 >>722934741
Deltarune yellow update TOMORROW
Anonymous No.722933620 >>722934116 >>722934298 >>722934398 >>722934620 >>722934931 >>722935464
>>722933374
I haven't played this yet, what's it like?
Anonymous No.722933652 >>722933934
>>722932773
Tumblr is currently very dead
I would say people here like to fight as much as in twitter, it might be even worse as you can't filter content, is just.. stagnation

>>722933074
The noelle threads were nice, too bad they got nuked so early, between drama and ch5 there was a bit of something nice going on
Anonymous No.722933934
>>722933652
You can actually filter here if you have 4chanx installed. Plus you can always hide posts if worst comes to worse.
I did like the Noelle threads as well, it just sucks lack of activity killed them while another genderslop thread lived.
Anonymous No.722934116
>>722933620
wait 4 the chapter 1 update
Anonymous No.722934298
>>722933620
Pretty damn nice for a project by one dude. There's a version up now, but there should be a major update that reworks chapter 1 and some of chapter 2 this month.
Anonymous No.722934398
>>722933620
Pretty mid, I'd say. The characters are alright, the fights are pretty fun and creative and it's got some good tracks.
First half of the game does give you a little bit of that sense of wonder Undertale has, but it goes to shit towards the end. It's free so it's definitely worth giving it a shot.
Anonymous No.722934620
>>722933620
The ending is fucking stupid so do be prepared for that
Anonymous No.722934741
>>722933374
No anon said the update is on the 31st
Anonymous No.722934931
>>722933620
fun fights, cool music, some nice graphics, mid story, mid-bad characters, retarded ending
Anonymous No.722935261 >>722935593
>>722925452
>undeserved, over-inflated sense of self importance
You don't need to confirm it further.
Anonymous No.722935342
>>722931195
It would be weirder if /v/ DIDN'T get angry about about pronouns, 2bh
Anonymous No.722935464 >>722935628
>>722933620
We didn't ask for the average response to Deltatroons being asked if they played their own game.
Anonymous No.722935593 >>722937568
>>722935261
You see, it's not my sense of self-importance, it's just you specifically who are much lower on evolutionary ladder than other people. I would put you somewhere below toaster, but above a cockroach or pajeet, since there's only one of you and you don't literally shit everywhere, only figuratively so.
Anonymous No.722935628 >>722935705
>>722935464
you're not fooling anyone, sharteen
Anonymous No.722935705 >>722953768
>>722935628
didn't that site get taken over by a pedophilic cabal of 764 users
Anonymous No.722936267
>>722932543
It does not.
Anonymous No.722936870 >>722936987 >>722937257
Was Toby ever asked about it?
If yes how did he avoid it like the faggot he is?
Anonymous No.722936880
>>722927178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ1T5rSbMw0
Anonymous No.722936987
>>722936870
Back in the old days of Undertale he was asked about Frisk's gender. He simply asked to skip the question. That's the closest he ever got of confirming any of the humans gender.
Anonymous No.722937257 >>722937476
>>722936870
>Was Toby ever asked about it?
No
Anonymous No.722937476 >>722938358 >>722939060 >>722942130
>>722937257
Newfag.
Anonymous No.722937568
>>722935593
>it's just you specifically who are much lower on evolutionary ladder than other people
Whatever helps.
Anonymous No.722937612 >>722938243 >>722938257
lmao why is my thread still up, i haven't been here since 5 minutes after making it. y'all are wacky
Anonymous No.722938243 >>722938358 >>722938779 >>722939012
>>722937612
The trouble is that we failed to derail the dumb gender discourse with some actually good discussion, like "with whom each of those teens should fuck" or "wouldn't it be nice if Kris was molested by a cool tomboy when he was a kid".
Anonymous No.722938257 >>722938551
>>722937612
>Haha how is my thread I've been boring for several hours still up
Anonymous No.722938358
>>722937476
>what role does androgyny play in your vision of the world?
See, Undertale was released when GamerGate was still fresh in people's minds, so Robert decided to keep his cards close to his chest. Not that it matters; that entire game is essentially an ode to the sort of capitulation that gamers ended up doing and got rewarded for by losing the hobby to ghouls.
>>722938243
>the dumb gender discourse
Try playing a game that doesn't entertain it and play it off as "normal."
Anonymous No.722938551
>>722938257
>botting changed to boring
Oh that explains it.
Anonymous No.722938779 >>722940123
>>722938243
>Kris was molested by a cool tomboy when he was a kid
Where did that come from? Just anons shitposting or something in game that people managed to misinterpret and just ran with it?
Anonymous No.722939012 >>722940052
>>722938243
>a cool tomboy
No such thing. Women who cross-dress just soft autoandrophiles, just like men who cross-dress are soft autogynephiles.
Anonymous No.722939060
>>722937476
What a boring pussy
Anonymous No.722940052 >>722940729
>>722939012
>cross-dress
gud troll
Anonymous No.722940123 >>722940878
>>722938779
no it is wish fulfillment of anons that wanted a deer tomboy teen to groom them
Anonymous No.722940729
>>722940052
>troll
Where?
Anonymous No.722940878
>>722940123
Understandable.
Anonymous No.722941054 >>722941586 >>722941617 >>722941907 >>722942280 >>722943494 >>722947260 >>722953871
Why the fuck would any of you reply to this thread? Did you really think you had something important to say on this topic?
Anonymous No.722941586
>>722941054
It was the only Deltarune thread on when I posted on it.
Anonymous No.722941617
>>722941054
I don't even know what the OP is about, I just saw kris and talked about deltarune
Anonymous No.722941907
>>722941054
>Did you really think you had something important to say on this topic?
What's the point in asking that?
There's not a single goddamn post in this whole board that's important in any topic
Anonymous No.722941989 >>722942167
>>722916542
This but Frisk is a boy.
Anonymous No.722942130
>>722937476
I fucking hate the pretentious robotic questions interviewers ask and I would have answered the same way
Anonymous No.722942167 >>722943680
>>722941989
Laaaaaame. But better than non-binaryslop.
Anonymous No.722942280
>>722941054
I was in the noelle thread.
Thanks to the anon who posted krusie art in it
Anonymous No.722943262
Anonymous No.722943494
>>722941054
"People" aren't replying to this thread if that wasn't painfully obvious from the exact same posts being made for several hours straight.
Anonymous No.722943680 >>722943945
>>722942167
Frisk will look like He-Man when he grows up.
Anonymous No.722943945
>>722943680
I prefer magical girl Frisk. But you do you bro.
Anonymous No.722945403 >>722945751
Anonymous No.722945751
>>722945403
Bad future.
Anonymous No.722945832
>>722862407 (OP)
>Krisp is le SELF INSERT
>literally the big twist from the first chapter was kris ripping the soul out (with you still looking at it) before looking at (YOU)
i'm pretty sure known fag lover Toby Fox was just being a faggot again
Anonymous No.722947260
>>722941054
just embrace the madness
Anonymous No.722947634 >>722947781 >>722947897 >>722948547
It's pretty funny to see 4chan invent all these copes about deltarune not being woke because they love it so much and the cognitive dissonance is too uncomfortable.
Anonymous No.722947781 >>722949068
>>722947634
Or you know people here play the game and know it's bullshit and this entire thread of spam only makes it more clear that it's not the case since astroturfing would be completely unnecessary.
Anonymous No.722947897 >>722948126 >>722955661
>>722947634
i wonder what it is about deltarune in particular that causes this schizophrenia
why can't people just enjoy the vidya they enjoy without dragging their politics into it
Anonymous No.722948126 >>722948308 >>722949068
>>722947897
the author putting something in the game that could be interpreted as political ideology like "non-binary" and not speaking out against the rabid fans who crusade for this ideology is an important thing to discuss
The politics are coming from the game, not the posters
Anonymous No.722948308
>>722948126
i'm not saying deltarune doesn't have it's own politics, it makes no attempt to hide them
what i'm asking is why the people who play and enjoy it must come up with all these copes to justify their enjoyment of it despite its politics
Anonymous No.722948547 >>722949068 >>722957067
>>722947634
Deltarune isn't woke. Toby is a lefty but the series isn't woke itself.
Anonymous No.722949068 >>722949740 >>722950339 >>722952031 >>722954506
>>722948126
>>722947781


Anon. For the love of fucking God. Kris is non-binary. No matter how much you rage or cope or seethe or try to intellectualize some bullshit argument it falls flat. There is a literal trans lion waitress in the game. Mettaton's entire deal is that he's a trans allegory too.
Kris is nonbinary. Literally everyone uses "they" pronouns when referring to them. Before you pull some bullshit out of your ass like "monster don't understand human genders" yes they fucking do you just invented that ad hoc to try and salvage this narrative. There is nothing anywhere that suggests that monster and human genders are so different that Toriel (who got a book on how to raise humans multiple times, implying that she has clearly done her research and knows Kris's physical traits) can't tell whether or not they have a dick or pussy.

Kris being non-binary is a large part of their character. Further reinforcing that they are unhappy with who they are. No-one can choose who they are in this world. If you're denying that Kris is nonbinary you are literally missing out on half their character.

Using gender neutral pronouns also just so happens to be a clever trick that allows people to self insert onto Kris, just for that to be ripped away when it's clearly demonstrated multiple times that Kris in their own character with their on plans. You are supposed to initially believe they are your avatar before you realize they are an active agent just like with Frisk in Undertale only much more heavy handed. You're supposed to come to the realization that Kris uses gender neutral pronouns because they're nonbinary rather than because they are our self insert. If we were supposed to believe Kris was our self insert for longer than we would have been allowed to choose their pronouns.

>>722948547
>Laughs in trans lion
Anonymous No.722949740
>>722949068
>check wiki about this because I have no idea what you mean by "trans lion"
>turns out it was a random one-off character from undertale that has no stated gender
>people literally just assumed that the lion was male in undertale just based on it's appearance(???)
Every fucking time with you retards.
Anonymous No.722950339 >>722950410 >>722952095
>>722949068
>>722916542
Weak bait.
Anonymous No.722950410 >>722952095
>>722950339
Meant to quote the last post as a response to the first quote. Me dumb.
Anonymous No.722951079
Anonymous No.722951593
this shit reminds me of pocket from deadlock and the eternal arguments surrounding they/them
>character is exclusively referred to as they/them
>>actually it's because it's referring to the character and their sentient briefcase, and also the fact that the character faked their death and is in hiding
>near omnipotent god character still refers to pocket as they/them
>Mina, a girl Pocket was supposed to marry before faking death, refers to Pocket as a theythem in voice lines specifically referring to Arin Fairfax, as in the person without the briefcase, and before faking death
i don't get it
Anonymous No.722951654 >>722951886
I hate how this is one of the few places on the internet where I can talk about Deltarune without having so many strings attached like emails and registering accounts and identities made, but its full of the most willfully retarded "fans" this game attracts. Like holy fucking shit, how did half of you even learn to TYPE? Each day it becomes harder and harder to spot the difference between you morons and Twittards. And atleast when the latter group of special needs elementary children crafts dogshit theories like "Friend Inside Me" or "Reverse Undertale" they're basing them off of information easily found and understood within the game, then making a wildly exaggerated hypothesis based on the gaps left unsaid. EVERYONE here must be pretending to be playing a different Deltarune and are insisting their imaginary copy is canon, because they can't handle the reality of what the game actually is so far. Fuck you all.
Anonymous No.722951886 >>722957139
>>722951654
Reverse Undertale theory is legit unlike Woodyshit, though.
Anonymous No.722952024
>>722863091
Anon, you stupid shit, that's the bloody point.
It's a reveal that is not you. Toby gives you a chapter to identify as him before he yanks that away.
Anonymous No.722952031 >>722952831
>>722949068
>Kris being non-binary is a large part of their character. Further reinforcing that they are unhappy with who they are. No-one can choose who they are in this world. If you're denying that Kris is nonbinary you are literally missing out on half their character.
It will be as important as Frisk and Chara's genders - not at all.
>If we were supposed to believe Kris was our self insert for longer than we would have been allowed to choose their pronouns.
We weren't allowed to choose the vessels pronouns either. Do you expect me to believe that's because every vessel is canonically nonbinary?
Anonymous No.722952095 >>722952346 >>722952346
>>722950339
>>722950410
what?
Anonymous No.722952258 >>722952710
>>722866787
>Soulitis
>Monsters use something monsters have but Humans don't to identify gender
>All humans are referred to as they because world famous composer and part-time voice actor Tony fox does stupid shit like thst
Anonymous No.722952346
>>722952095
The second post was supposed to be quoted as if it was a response, like this:
>>722952095
Don't mind me stupidity.
Anonymous No.722952659
>>722871913
decroded example of a woman by which nothing should be measured.
Anonymous No.722952710
>>722952258
>Monsters use something monsters have but Humans don't to identify gender
Honestly, I could see that. Monsters run the full gambit between basically people to literal objects, would make sense if some part of their existence allows then to tell.
My guess is that Ghosts also don't have that element, too
Anonymous No.722952831 >>722953003
>>722952031
>It will be as important as Frisk and Chara's genders - not at all.
Maybe if the game wasn't all about defying fate, molding your own identity and the pursuit of freedom in the narrative I'd have believed it. Toby's either going to double down or drop that narrative entirely concerning Kris, and I *really* doubt the latter is happening.
Anonymous No.722953003 >>722953275
>>722952831
If Kris was canonically nonbinary there would have been a pun about it in cybercity.
Anonymous No.722953275 >>722953331
>>722953003
If Kris was a boy or girl there would've been jokes about it by then as well
Anonymous No.722953281 >>722953386
>>722891131
>implying even having annoying dog go "kris is nonbinary" would stop them
Anonymous No.722953331 >>722953653
>>722953275
There are, though. Lancer says one after you choose a name in Chapter 1.
Anonymous No.722953386
>>722953281
Oh yeah that's right, Suselle was directly compared to Alphdyne and there's STILL cope about it being a fakeout.
Anonymous No.722953653 >>722953803
>>722953331
if you're talking about the crumpled paper, Lancer was talking to Ralsei.
Anonymous No.722953748
>>722862407 (OP)
People are male or female, there is no other option, and Kris is male. There is a trend for mentally ill people to claim themselves as being something else or the opposite of what they really are for some reason or another, and Toby is pandering to them by having Kris be like them. It's not focused on because that's not what the game's about and Toby wants to normalize sexual identity disorders just like all his buddies.
Anonymous No.722953768
>>722935705
no? though I wouldn't be surprised at this point
Anonymous No.722953803 >>722956079
>>722953653
He says the team is made of "boys and girls".
Anonymous No.722953871
>>722941054
you don't get it dude, MY post will be the one that FINALLY convinces everyone that I'm right!
Anonymous No.722954506
>>722949068
>Anon. For the love of fucking G-
tl;dr
Anonymous No.722954702 >>722955220 >>722955427
idrc what kris is as long as the femkris art keeps coming (more like cooming amirite? up top)
Anonymous No.722954716
>>722899102
Yeah, such an ultimate wingman that (you) will be the one doing the fucking.
Anonymous No.722954947
>>722927178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py6b-Y1dNas
Anonymous No.722955220
>>722954702
Kinda based ngl.
Anonymous No.722955427
>>722954702
Based
Anonymous No.722955661
>>722947897
Because they were teenagers/children when Undertale/Deltarune Chapter 1 came out and have since become "politically aware", so now they need to rationalize enjoying content that they would otherwise talk shit about.
Anonymous No.722956079
>>722953803
jevil also calls the party 'boysengirls' or something along those lines
lancer also pronounced kris 'cookie and wife' with a lancer cookie
Anonymous No.722957067 >>722957286
>>722948547
>_p12
Anonymous No.722957139
>>722951886
So was woody theory until it got dragged out and hanged
Anonymous No.722957286
>>722957067
Yes, it's from a collection.
Anonymous No.722957351
Even if kris was nonbinary or some shit she would have massive tiddies in my mind
Anonymous No.722957596 >>722957857 >>722957867
the mileage you can get out of this image is... fascinating
Anonymous No.722957857
>>722957596
Go back to your containment board v-tuberfag.
Anonymous No.722957867
>>722957596
Reminder that literally ALL this retard had to do was not fumble talking to tumblrites and a gay nerd on steam.
And instead has been having an ON GOING several hundred post meltdown.