Thread 722916359

Which are the best games to learn japanese?
It has to be fun, if it's fun, why bother?

Didn't she die or something?

>>722916480
yes, rip sensei

>>722916359 (OP)
RIP

>>722916480
>she

>>722916359 (OP)
>it has to be fun
>if it's fun, why bother
ayo how you finna learn a new tongue when you cain't even do it how it be in your own

>>722916359 (OP)
https://pastebin.com/eHtG45pf

have fun

No games?
At least one...
>>722917458
So she is still dead?

>>722917458
So who is (or was) Cure Dolly the pastebin gives three different answers

>>722916359 (OP)
rest in spanking

Whatever game you want to play? I don't understand the question, because it's stupid.

Isn't this shit only for like N4 / N5 grammar? what are the best grammar resources for higher levels?

>>722916359 (OP)
>It has to be fun, if it's fun, why bother?
What did anon mean by this?

>>722918665
it is low level grammar, but literally every other resource trains you wrong as a joke

>>722918863
That can't be true

>>722918665
She's good for any level

>>722916359 (OP)
Wish there was a workbook. If I don't see multiple examples I tend to forget the grammar points.

>>722918665
Reading.

90% of anki retards are never gonna make it, especially if they follow guides made by unhinged troons like curedolly or some 14 year old retard from discord
physical textbooks (or pdf) are still the king
t. went from N5 to N1 level in 11 months

>>722916480
>die
He doesn't know

>>722919624
Anki is a meme

>>722918926
It is eihongo is a meme, they teach you wrong on purpose

>>722919624
Genki or minna no nihongo? Which books are better?

>>722919624
>>722919767
I thought the point of Anki was the facilitate learning by actually engaging with Japanese material and adding Kanji to a mining deck so you can go over certain Kanji that stump you?

>>722920225
That would be a good use of it, yes. But there are many retards that think if they study flashcards hard enough, they can read and speak japanese.

>>722920514
Well, I would agree that's retarded. Just because you can recognize words and maybe even studied some grammar, you need to actively engage with a variety of material and settings to acquaint yourself with different contexts for phrases.

>>722920225
It is, and that's what everyone uses it for. There are a couple of retards out there very upset that people are using anki, and construct bizarre strawmans like "man who does core20k to win a scrabble competition" in their head.

.Kanji is too hard to me. It's not even memory thing, it is just that my retarded brain can't understand ON/KUN reading

>>722920760
That makes sense, I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few people who only use Anki, but I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people are using it the way I imagined.

>>722919624
WHICH textbooks (or pdf)?

>>722916359 (OP)
Hirigana Pixel Party is how I learned Hirigana and Katakana. It's a nice foot in the door if you're serious about learning.

>>722919624
voiced Anki vocab frequency deck with new words embedded in sentences and one main grammar guide (+ others if some point in the one you use isn't clear enough) is all I needed. Although for new learners, I wish there was an anki deck based on children school years instead of N levels or frequency. Learning words from the most basic and concrete to the more advanced and abstract is a way better way of doing things/not confusing yourself

>>722921669
What grammar guide did you use?

>>722916359 (OP)
I'm surprised nobody's ever remade Cure Dolly's lessons. Even if the information is good, the presentation is absolute dogshit.

>>722921748
There are transcripts. One in pdf and another in web format.

>>722921748
His/her stuff was left incomplete and they outright peddle misinformation at times that goes against even what native Japanese grammar studies and books say. It's better to move on.

Shashingo is pretty good. I wish there was more of it.

>>722921748
Grammar is a challenging topic to teach. You can very easily get it wrong. Most natives couldn't explain the grammar of their own language at all. The more accurate you are the more stiff it becomes and the less it appeals to beginners.

>>722923995
I meant that her voice and avatar are terrible, and having a normal person just redo the videos would be an improvement.

>>722918926
Thats unfortunately true when it comes to texbooks and shit.
But nowadays we have native Japs who know English helping out on youtube.
Still, a few cure dolly vids are pretty much a requirement for a new learner, like the first 20 or so are pretty much essential.
This is especially true if you only know English and not any other languages since ESLs already know differences between their native language and English so they are used to different ways that languages work.
>>722916359 (OP)
Go to gamegengo's yt channel and see what he recommends.
If the game has voices, furigana and push to proceed dialogue it's S tier because it allows you to look things up at your own pace so something like Dragon Quest 11.

>>722924424
Will never happen since she died any such video would get extreme backlash over being disrespectful. And she has hundreds of hours of material so it would be pretty expensive to convert with AI.

>Visual novels are boring as shit and I'm not a lonely virgin.
>Japanese dialogue drones on and on, just want to skip it to get to gameplay.
>Light novels are shit and padded out over 20 volumes.
>Anime is either isekai trash, slice of life shit or aura farming zoomerbait.
It's over, I should have learned 15 years ago when this trash still interested me.

I don't want to speak with the nips. I found this channel before this thread existed

>>722925643
So.. just ignore all the japanese learning threads if you have no interest in the language and japanese media. Not that hard.

>>722925771
So...just ignore my comment if you have no interest in what I'm saying. Not that hard.

I played Pokemon Red and Gold (my favorites) each with Kana and Kanji text at the same time. It was pretty fun.

>>722925940
But I did have interest in your comment, hence I replied. But just coming here to say you have no interest because you think all japanese media is shit, what's the point?

Is it pointless to add single words with the jisho.org definition in Anki? I read anons are adding whole ass sentences, so maybe I'm doing it wrong

I hate how every guide is like
>okay go to website X and read till ___
>now go to this guy's youtube playlist and stop at video 17
>now get this book and read till chapter 4
>now you can either download X or Y, personally I used Z but some people prefer N though
This retarded shit filters me before I even begin, I need a proper structure to follow

>>722923769
Thank you anon

>>722926678
>I need a proper structure to follow
Nah embrace chaos. Chaos is ideal for learning, structure is for faggots that want an excuse to avoid learning.

should I really start making my own deck after kaishi 1.5k?

>>722927218
I am in the same place as you anon
Finished my deck and cure dolly playlist
I still have a few vids not on the playlist tho

>>722927307
what videos are those?

Wanikani mogs

Anyone taking JLPT in December? I'm going for N4

>>722926678
There is no "proper structure". Do core2k, 20 new cards a day, read Japanese the Manga Way, and then mine words for a mining deck from whatever you feel like reading, again, 20 new cards a day. Congrats, you are now fluent.

>>722927940
I missed the registration because I was too busy playing vidya

>>722927397
The extra ones not in the organic japanese playlist, like uchi true meaning or urasai

>>722916359 (OP)
Fantasy Life i.

>>722928337
>has furigana too
looks very beginner-friendly
ps: furigana is a crutch and you should only read it when you give up so you can look up the word easily

>>722929294
You can probably turn it off in the options. I can't remember specifically but a lot of these games with furigana allow you to turn it off.

Dragon Quest Builders 2 has surprisingly a shitload of dialog for the type of game that it is.

>>722920119
I only know about genki but genki is great stuff used by uni's everywhere go with that. also listen a lot to audio porn if you are a porn user. this will do wonders for your understanding. hentaiasmr.moe or japaneseasmr.com

>>722928337
Thank you

>>722930673
Know any ASMR sites that aren't porn?

So why does no one recommend torii for vocab?

>>722930673
is genki that great? in my case we used minna no nihongo
and I'm preparing for the n2 on my own because the fuckers are going so fucking slow (unit 35 in 3 years)

There are so many goddamned kanji, how do japanese middle schoolers do it?

>>722923162
Do you have any other recommendations? I've been reading Cure Dolly's transcripts but if there is a better alternative it would be better.

>>722930673
Yeah that's like a cheat code for engraving any grammar you learn as quickly as possible. Motivated thinking is amazing
>>722931381
All these sites always upload the SFW and 15+ audios too together with the 18+ ones. Some others are e.erovoice.us and asmr.one. Find the audios RJ codes in DLsite. Normal Youtube stuff is usually shit because it lacks an actual story (some literally just onomatopoeia).

Also if you like loli anything you need a VPN (free ones are fine too) set to Japan for it to show on DLsite. Lots of stuff has been getting hidden recently (even some JK) for overseas because of all the credit card bullshit.

>>722927946
Whats your opinion of kaishi 1.5k? Is it better or worse than core2k?

Imagine not using bunpro for grammar (N5 - N1)

>>722933602
They arent that many in use, some are literally alts of other kanjis only used in one noun

>>722933789
Both are garbage, use torii

>>722933789
There is no real difference. Do whichever one you want, 1.5k or 2k is a drop in the ocean anyway.

>>722933854
Is it really good? I'm cheap and genuinely don't have much money now

Now when I see grammar I don't understand I just ask chatgpt to explain it to me and it does it.

>>722933695
Cure dolly voice isnt as bad as people make it out to be, just watch a few vids and you wont notice, it also gets better with time

>>722933602
they have a ton of tricks to them
>they fall into 1 or more of the 6 categories (rikusho). the largest group (keisei moji), has phonological and semantic components. e.g. 半径(はんけい) and 経験(けいけん). 剣(けん), 危険(きけん), 冒険(ぼうけん), 石鹸(せっけん)
compounds fall into one of 5 categories: both have a similar meaning (e.g. 上昇), opposites (上下, 加減), former modifies latter (加速, 和服), latter is complement or object of former (登山, 殺人), former negates latter (非礼, 無益, 不明, 未来, 否定)
>etymology and naritachi (can help)
>mnemonics and other memory aids
>knowing the parts and radicals (helps you stop seeing them as monolothic splotches of ink)
kanken autists have way more tricks I think. those are just some of them

>>722933767
>All these sites always upload the SFW and 15+ audios too together with the 18+ ones.
Oh, nice, I guess the non-porn is 全年齢. Arigatou, aniki.

>>722917458
The comments seem like damage control but I can't be bothered to read all of that

>>722934030
Yes

>>722934439
Guess I'll try the free stuff

any good books (not text books) that help with grammar? i got kanji down and i am pretty good at understanding whats going on when im immersing with jp subs and jp anime, but my grammar composition is basically non-existent, i want to read books while laying in bed on my kobo

>>722925643
nukige, and untranslated doujins and other perverted things are carrying my will to learn japanese, Sure i could just MTL it but thats soulless

>>722924626
>And she has hundreds of hours of material so it would be pretty expensive to convert with AI.
Wouldn't be actually, RVC is very efficient and can convert minutes of voice in a few seconds even on midrange hardware.
You just need to find someone autistic enough to go through every video and separate the audio tracks, isolate the vocals then convert them and put it all back together. Or figure out a way to automate it.

>>722933854
sell me on bunpro, is it like anki but for grammar or something? cant i just get a grammar deck (if those exist)?

>>722933602
If you're a neet you can do 100 a day (takes ~2-3
hours) and be done with it in 3 weeks

>>722938315
only in theory

>>722938315
>and be done with it in 3 weeks
No. You have to repeatedly reinforce what you've "learned" or you will forget it. Hence tools like anki. You are not done after 3 weeks, you are only getting started. Let's see if you still remember it in 6 weeks. Then 12 weeks. Then 24. Etc.

>>722938475
I wouldn't be telling you it's possible if I didn't do it myself

>>722938623
Reviews take like 30 minutes at most and if you actually start reading and using your knowledge you won't need SRS after long, but if you don't intend to regularly read in Japanese why bother learning

>>722938315
most neet brains give up in 5-15 kanji 100%.

>>722935329
Light Novels Konosuba, Log Horizon, Re;Zero Kara etc, things that you probably have watched already will be a good way to ease yourself in with the written version. They are cheap, easily accessible legitimately and basically have your level of Japanese, alternatively you could read untranslated manga like Usogui from the source as well since its plot and speech heavy, 100% recommended if you like Kaiji or high stakes gambling in general.

>>722923162
No proof nigger

Cure Dolly certified

>>722926678
just read nigga. learn hiragana and katakana, then jump straight into basic grammar and vocab with tae kim, then you can grind anki if you want, but start reading ASAP. read yotsuba, read nhk easy news, just read something. fucking READ and make sure you COMPREHEND.

>>722923995
>the less it appeals to beginners
Never understood this desu. The drier and more accurate it is, the quicker and smoother the experience since there isn't any fluff to distract you. It's a shame some tranny cultist proto-vtuber is the closest we're getting to a resource that actually bothers to explain how shit works from the ground up without trying to anglicise it for retards.

>>722940904
where do i get jp manga? huh? huh?

>>722938315
Just learning what they look like isn't enough, you have to learn all their meanings and readings in different words too. And then you have to realize that you're not even fully looking at the whole kanji sometimes and you're confusing shit like 際 and 察 and 擦 because you're retarded and you have to learn them again.

>>722943070
Google nigga

>>722943070
I couldn't find decent scans of Pokemon Special so I just bought an actual book on Amazon

>>722943129
>Just learning what they look like isn't enough, you have to learn all their meanings and readings in different words too.
Not really, that's for vocabulary study and reading, the important thing is to know what you're looking at and how to look it up, like seeing a new word in English you don't know the meaning or pronunciation of, it's stuff you pick up as you go along

>And then you have to realize that you're not even fully looking at the whole kanji sometimes and you're confusing shit like 際 and 察 and 擦 because you're retarded and you have to learn them again.
Not a problem if you follow one of the existing regiments since they're structured in a way that takes you from the simplest radicals to the multi-kanji characters like that, all of which build on top of each other, there's no way you'd ever confuse them if you learn them that way, since it'd be like confusing sunflower and cauliflower because they share a common part that also exists independently

>>722919624
I'm glad your way of doing things worked for YOU anon.

>>722916359 (OP)
i have her little book on learning japanese. it wasn't very useful.

>>722929947
90% of that is explaining to the player what they should be doing, when you already figured it out 20 minutes ago lol. It's a DQ problem.

>>722919624
how did you manage to get shit to stick? e.g.
>the ~てたまらない ~てしかたがない ~てならない trio and their differences
>~だけに and ~だけあって, and ~だけのことはある
>ものだ
>思ったか思わないうちに, ~かと思ったら, が早いか
>~の際, ~に際して, ~に当たって
etc. etc.

>>722944998
I thank god for cure dolly everyday
You were taken too soon sensei
I can only imagine trying to understand this using text books

>>722944998
you look them up again and again when you come across them in sentences until they make sense

ahem.

anki works but it shouldn't be the only thing you're doing. anki is for helping your ability to recognize words immediately when you see them, not about learning grammar or even the usage and nuances of a word. it's easily useful for a lot of words and their associated kanji because a lot of words don't convey complicated concepts and so you just need to remember one thing associated with a particular kanji/pronunciation/meaning.

at some point you stop using anki because you shouldn't need it anymore, but when you're starting out it's immensely helpful in just getting past the "I have to look everything up" phase.

>Jlab grammar deck
>gives a sentence on the front
>gives a definition of one word of the sentence on the back and nothing else
>if he gives a translation of the sentence and how it's constructed in Japanese he doesn't explain how the Japanese structure ends up meaning what it means in English
>sometimes says "ignore this for now" when there's something that's not an obvious noun/verb that I'd actually want to know that's not as easily looked up
Why are people so bad at this

found this https://kellenok.github.io/cure-script/original.html

>>722947247
I've anki'd grammar. helps with recognition. sucks at getting you to use it. you need to come up with your sentences for that, even if you barely change any words. でもちゃんとした文を作らないと身に着けるどころか、むしろ学習に害になりかねませんから、気を付けましょう
do keep playing games. that shit helps. if you can read VNs or LNs, those work extra well.
you're gonna have to work on production if you wish to speak. otherwise you'll choke the moment you talk to someone and stammer all day long

>>722916359 (OP)
Cure Dolly sucks.
It's some guy with a voice changer.
And he stole everything from a book called Making Sense of Japanese by Jay Rubin (Haruki Murikami's official English Translator and all round japanese wizard).

https://www.tofugu.com/reviews/making-sense-of-japanese/

https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/156836492X

https://archive.org/stream/MakingSenseJapanese/Making%20Sense%20Japanese_djvu.txt

>>722918665
>Isn't this shit only for like N4 / N5 grammar?
It's not for absolute beginners. It's for people who have been reading japanese for a few months and need clarification on grammar that they are already familiar with but don't quite fully grasp.
>what are the best grammar resources for higher levels?
The dictionary of japanese grammar. By that level you should be only needing to look up things as a reference now and then
-https://djtguide.github.io/grammar/dojgmain.html

>>722920948
Studying kanji on their own is a waste of time.
Just learn vocab.

>>722933602
Middle schoolers are already fluent and they have been reading japanese for over 10 years.

>>722949928
Yeah it's such a waste of time all Japanese people spend their formative years doing it every day in school

>>722950072
This but genuinely

>meme textbooks, guides, treating the language like maths
>meanwhile, ELSs are learning english through shitty JRPG translations and can become fluent enough to shitpost here
just go read something retards

>>722920948
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exkXaVYvb68

>>722950715
Learning readings is a waste of time but learning the actual symbols, what they're composed of, and how they're put together and assigning some meaning to them makes it 10000x easier to learn vocabulary

My grammar when reading is serviceable (to a certain extent)
My Kanji recognition is pretty decent
But my vocab is really bad
So I chose a short VN on jpdb so I can learn the necessary vocab to read something through and through in Japanese for the first time
It's been going pretty well, though it has its limitations, but I really dislike the widespread 'dumbing down' of kanji meanings on that site

>>722920948
>>722950072
>me finishing my 32th light novel while anon is still worried about memorizing the kun’yomi reading of 青春 SEISHUN as AOHARU or something

>>722950634
vidya doesn't teach you nearly as much as you need to become fluent
t. getting raped by 2000+ page grammar
ps: c2-level exams don't mean shit

I did two years of vocab in Anki. About 200 cards a day and about a total of 6000 new cards. It was cool, I can recognize almost any kanji I can see. I'm no good at any other aspect of the language but I'm satisfied with my vocab knowledge.

>>722940904
This, even asking ChatGPT to break down a sentence and explain in detail how each word works will help you more than meme radicals and textbooks unironically.

>>722952169
>radicals are a mem-

>>722951679
>almost any kanji I see
lemme see
>暗澹
>譫言
>鸚鵡返し
>教唆
>褪せる
>孵化
>1秭
>蠟燭
>鬣
>花魁道中
>乖離
>鰥夫(this one is a bitch to write)
>鰓
>背鰭
>道化師様魚鱗癬(fun one)
>朦朧
>襤褸
>真摯
>翳す
>翡翠(porkymon region)
>輔弼

>>722952510
nevermind i'm a fraud ;_;

>>722952593
Don’t worry, it’s all above 20K usage. You’ll rarely see these, you would only memorize them after years of studying, or if you want to pass a kanji meme quiz for some reason.

>>722951679
>two years
>200 cards every day
>6000 cards
Math ain't mathing

>>722952593
don't feel bad. I can't remembar all of them either. e.g. the counter for 10^24 is a fucking bitch with its weird stroke order that looks like 己. it's not even on imes. japs tend to write 𥝱 instead.
also have 羸弱 and 爨(aka 炊ぐ. easy to remember, similar to but not the same as 興, 2 trees on top of a BIG flame), and 穿鑿, the hardest runes I can write. no I can't speak the language

>>722952278
I squinted really hard and it looked like 緊 to me

>>722920225
Not in my experience. Most who use Anki decks treat it like some sort of game and not as a learning material and then there's retards who just use Anki decks to signal how "smart" they are. It's a learning tool, but I've seen to many of these people that I've got a negative impression of it. Old school notebooks and textbooks are still the best.

>>722916359 (OP)
Time to shill my new favorite game to learn japanese

>>722952864
200 cards to review a day. 20 new cards were added a day

>>722949679
Cure Dolly was indeed inspired by Jay Rubin, but this wasn't something she hid. Of course a schizo retard like you acts like being inspired is malicious.
https://learnjapaneseonline.info/2016/11/05/unlocking-japanese-a-breakthrough-in-how-we-learn-the-language/
> Cure Tadashiku: The model wasn’t entirely your doing, was it?
> Cure Dolly: No. I owe a huge debt to Dr. Jay Rubin whose work introduced me to some key concepts on which this book is built. What we have done is to take the implications of what he taught and expand them much further. Rubin-sensei showed how every Japanese sentence has a grammatical subject, whether you can see it or not, how the wa particle never marks the grammatical subject (even when it might appear to), and how the invisible subject works.
The above was prior to her video series. For her video series, we can see the transcripts from the Github an Anon posted:
https://kellenok.github.io/cure-script/34-understand-any-sentence.html#_34-understand-any-sentence
> Jay Rubin-先生, for whom I have great respect,
She gives him the title sensei since Rubin's book taught her when she was a Japanese learner.

Anyway, you can not like Cure Dolly, but like the YouTube teacher always emphasized, grammar guides are just a tool to understand Japanese. The goal of comprehending Japanese matters the most, so people should use the tools that measurably work the best for them to achieve that goal.

In my opinion, Cure Dolly videos are an excellent resource. She uses creates a conceptualization of the language (inspired by Jay Rubin), rather than making people study individual grammar points that treat Japanese like a Western language. Although the poor audio quality does weaken her teachings, all videos are subtitled. Additionally, the transcripts, like from the Github, above help. The transcripts even point out useful comment section posts Cure Dolly made.

>>722953241
I never understood most of the wa/ga shit. I still don't know exactly what the fuck a grammatical topic and a comment are to this day since they clash with the concepts of subject (someone who/something that is/does/etc.) and predicate (what is said about the former) for me.
and as for the particle shit, you just take a look at a few templates and you're done. no need to look beyond "は for contrast," "は for I'll do X, you'll do Y, etc.; or in your case, X, in his case, Y, etc.", "XにはYがある," "が for look, X is happening!", "が for relative clauses," "が for I am the one who will be doing X," and others.

>>722916359 (OP)
>Which are the best games to learn japanese?

If you can't write kanji by hand on paper you can't call yourself fluent in Japanese

Stroke order optional

>>722952510
>褪せる
This is the only one of those I knew (because it's in a Yugioh GX opening)

>>722953858
Lmao, no.

>>722916480
Nah, she's more or less stopped making videos because she's busy running a feminist bondage cult where wealthy white expats get spanked or something.

>>722953952
Imagine being the Japanese equivalent of an illiterate hick

>>722954023
b-based?

>>722950072
jap CHILDREN spend their time doing it because children are stupid and have to learn language in very specifically stupid ways meant for children
we are ADULTS and can learn using much more efficient methods than children are capable of

>>722954116
Children are literally the best language learners on the planet retard

You need to understand the language naturally through enough exposition and context, not “ooh wait, it’s not the first meaning in my textbook, so maybe it’s the fourth, and uhhhh the english translation is uhhhh”

>>722952169
Radicals are useful THOUGH.
The twenty or so common ones at least, which you can memorize in no time. The rest are too rare to bother with.

>>722938315
I just started learning this retarded language, but isn't studying kanji by themselves pointless? Knowing what they mean doesn't make you able to read them, so why not just learn words instead?

>>722954187
>durr im a fucking retard and i dont know how language works durrr my name is anon
children have absurdly high VOCAB ACQUISITION SPEED but that's IT
they're still stupid kids and don't really develop the necessary abstract reasoning skills (YOU [SHOULD] ALREADY HAVE THESE) to truly understand language until they're in their teens
they're SO GOOD at learning languages that it takes them 18 years to learn it
fucking. retard.

>>722954187
Have you ever talked to a child? Their vocabulary is shit

>>722954023
You're confusing two different members. Cure Dolly was NOT Miss Martindale.
Seemingly, the person behind Cure Dolly actually was someone who shifted the remnants of the group (from Second Life) into being PreCure and Sailor Moon-loving anime otakus.

OP ruined his question and the thread by posting that random e-celeb

>>722954437
Because they get really fucking complex so being able to glance at a character and know its rough meaning/association while learning vocabulary makes it immeasurably easier and smoother than trying to memorize a new kanji that may or may not look very similar to 20 others in addition to the word's pronunciation and translation

You'll likely try to create your own ways of recognizing the kanji as they get more complex which are bound to be flawed so why not just skip that step and learn what the characters mean the correct way from the start

>>722935439
I'm in the same fucking boat. My daily immersion consists of reading doujins and images i find on twitter/pixiv.

>>722954798
So is she alive or not

>>722954116
muscle memory helps a ton.
filling hundreds of practice sheets is retarded, but do try to write each new word twice or thrice. or trace them with your finger. I guarantee it helps
>>722954326
that shit won't tell you the nuances between shit like くらい, 程 and 程度. or the one between 測る, 計る, and 量る, and 測定 because why the fuck not. that's why dictionaries of synonyms exist. it happens the other way around too: some japs have trouble grasping the difference between must, need (to do sth), and have to, since they'll just say しなければいけない for all three

>>722919624
>t. went from N5 to N1 level in 11 months

So....uhhh

What the fuck did you do?

>>722955060
read

>>722955162
Reading moonscribbles hurts my gaijin eyes

>>722955162
So....uhhh

What the fuck did you read?

>>722955321
https://vndb.org/v31123

>>722954928
My current routine is
>read manga while looking everything up
>wind down with disgusting pornography
Maybe in a few months I will graduate to VNs.

>>722954437
The most useful part of studying kanji for me was it gave me names for all of the different components of kanji. So when I get two kanji mixed up I can look at them and say "Oh this one has a finger but this one has a house" or whatever.

>>722955838
VNs are actually better since they’re filled with slice-of-life, narration, and voice acting.

>>722955550
not all of us have the time or the privacy to jerk off at their computer, any .epubs nigga?

Anki shouldn't be used for anything other than vocab acquisition. Why the fuck would you use it for anything else?

>>722954621
>>722954691
If you drop a child into a foreign land they'll know the language in a year or two without ever studying it, the same doesn't go for adults

>>722954036
kek, no.

>>722955951
If you can’t learn Japanese by reading porn, then you’re not gonna make it, sorry.
give up

>>722956346
>交尾
you dumb brute, you absolute animal

>>722916359 (OP)
My biggest block to immersion right now is the inability to find complete anime series with jap subtitles all packaged into one. I cannot be bothered to apply the subs to each episode one by one

>>722955550
>>722956078
>Anon learned Japanese by jerking off.

I'm taking the N1 again this year. Took it last year too and got 52% when playing games was all I did for studying. It's actually one of the better ways if you ask me because a lot of N1 grammar is just surviving archaic grammar and games with fantasy/medieval settings use it a ton. But I got some books and shit this year that I'm almost done with.

>>722956741
That’s the easiest way to learn, unironically.

>>722934069
>Cure dolly voice isnt as bad as people make it out to be
Ture, it's actually a lot worse than people make it out to be. I don't understand how people can stand it.

>>722952937
is it actually good tho

>>722956808
the easiest way to learn is through japanese gf, but that isn't going to be possible for anyone using /v/

>>722956801
>surviving archaic grammar and games with fantasy/medieval settings use it a ton
jackass really thinks incorrectly-used basic bitch 文語体 sludge sloshed into the trough by 厨二病 authors is "archaic grammar"
lmao. go read a fucking book.

don't talk to me if you don't know all the variations of 膣 and 肉棒

>>722956808
post some N4-N3 level doujins if u dont mind, I would love to read nukige but home situation wont allow it

Post funny kanji

肪

>>722956989
>>722956808
that's because horny and danger activates the brain for memory or smth like that

>>722957083
鏖

>>722957083
>ACK

>>722916359 (OP)
I'm about halfway through this game reminds me a lot of Pokemon.

Since I already knew the kana I just jumped right in..

Don't know If I wasted my time yet the information appears useful.

>>722954970
Very likely dead. One of the main reason people think she's alive (outside of mistaking her identity) is because her final video announcing her break was posted on May 15th, 2021. People mistake this as her death date. There's evidence of her activity after this date. However, that date was for when she got sick and paused making videos. She passed away in September 2021, which is stated in the final video's updated description. There isn't evidence of any of her activity after this date.

Here is some useful reading material if you are a new and get overwhelmed by native reading material
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/19bitqy/2024_updated_free_tadoku_graded_reader_pdfs_2681/
start with lvl 0 and its super useful as you are learning kanji with pictures and context. Super good.

>>722957967
Oops, I posted early by accident. The picture is for OP's question. OP shoulf play Pokemon in Japanese. It's a game for children, and the English localizations have censored stuff.
>>722916359 (OP)
Pokemon.

>>722955550
what do I need to study using porn
what's the software that lets you copy the text so you can look it up

>>722951679
This is some NukeMarine levels of demoralizing shit.

>>722958141
Pokemon is not a good game for learning Japanese. It uses katakana and hiragana for nearly everything, so you don’t get much context for what random NPCs say. You also have to memorize a lot of made up words that aren’t used anywhere else.

>>722958072
>very first text for absolute beginners tries to tell you this is a blue apple
Clown language

>>722956989
Check out circle Shigunyan or Pineapple Factory, they have a bunch of doujins floating around that lean N3 in vocab and grammar. Stuff like "JK to Ero Honya-san" is perfect for reps-simple sentence structure, lots of repetition, and enough context to learn vocab naturally if you're willing to mine. Just make sure no one's looking over your shoulder when you're reading about "肉棒で教育される女子校生". Also, install Yomichan + Textractor and go wild.

>>722958337
Pokemon Black and White has an option for Kanji. An issue might be its lack of voice acted scenes.

>>722958548
馬鹿外人

>>722953676
Good suggestion, Anon. For learning Japanese, Rance 03 is the only game in the eroge series to have voice-acted scenes. It's also a solid entry-point for people who want to skip the older games.

>>722951679
so can you listen and understand things? read stuff? did it work?

>>722958869
>Pokeshit
Play the PSP Digimon Adventure game instead, it has kanji with furigana and voiced dialogue

>>722952278
That's clearly a Numemon.

>>722934301
This shit is 5 years old.

>>722934148
When is this ひらく or あく?

>>722943070
Go to Nyaa, search for Mokuro, thank me later.

>>722943070
madokami
AB

>>722959231
I can listen and understand the gist of most dialogue. I can't put together sentences myself though. I can read sentences but wouldn't be able to read a book or essay.

>>722954928
this but also fanfiction smut on pixiv, it's an whole new land from ao3 and there's a ton of it, though I do plan on graduating from solely horny reading.

learning japanese made me hate regionlocks even more and noticed how frequent it actually is

>>722960202
Context and emphasis. You can use あく and ひらく interchangeably in most cases. It comes down to whether you want to emphasize the movement i.e ひらく vs just being opened i.e あく.

>>722961081
Learning Japanese has made me no longer ignorant and I've come to realize that almost all EN localizations are just fake and it's not even limited to games. A lot animes suffer from subs using terrible translations from official manga sources. Hearing 天界 in Gachiakuta be translated as "Sphere" made me want to punch the translator in the mouth.

>>722956971
rude nigger

>pick something (you) think is interesting to read/play
>look up unknown words and grammar as you go
>repeat ad infinitum

Anki makes me want to fucking kill myself

>>722961687
then stop doing anki and read more

Reminder to always take breaks between studying or you will end up frying your brain

>>722961727
I thought I could use it to speedrun learning vocabulary so I don't have to stop every 2 sec to look up something on a dictionary while reading, but my adhd doesn't agree with it

>>722962842
>speedrun learning vocabulary
Anki is fake memory. At the very most, its use is to plant in your mind brief, false memories that aren't meant to be permanent.
Only reading, listening, and experiencing will embed those memories permanently within you. Don't be fooled. Don't fall for the 疑心暗記. Trust that you will remember things. Don't let fear, uncertainty, and doubt be the reason you card things.

>>722962842
reading more will also make it so you don't have to look up stuff every 2 seconds as you will start to remember all the generally most common words in the language and then remember all the most common words in the particular piece of media that you are consuming
and by doing that every next piece of media you consume will build your vocabulary pool and become easier and easier

Thanks for reminding me to read some muramasa today.

>>722958034
なら猶予してもいいと思う

>>722960202
開く(あく) is intransitive. its transitive counterpart is 開ける(あける). their counterparts are 閉まる and 閉める respectively
開く(ひらく) is both transitive and transitive. it applies to stuff that unfolds or unfurls (scrolls, wallet, wings, flower buds), among a ton of other meanings (open a new store, host (a party, an exhibit, etc.)). its counterpart is 閉じる
>>722963936
>オランダ as 蘭王国 instead of the well-known 阿蘭陀(holland/netherlands)
fucking gay

>>722961687
Only add words you have a good grasp of to your deck or else you will forget them and you'll want to die

>>722950072
Children already know the language by the time they are learning the kanji. If you knew even enough if the language as a 1st grader you are already fluent by most standards. Not literate, but fluent. If you learn the kanji without any real anchors.to the character like a Japanese child can then you are going in a completely different direction.

>>722965132
it's alt-his.

>>722934301
Dolly wasn't Martindale, he was a tranny in Martindale's cult

>>722961687
Are you sure that wasn't actually the whole
>self learning chinese pictographs for a useless language from a people who want nothing to do with you
thing? or that the only people who become fluent are autists like this >>722934148

I'm trying to watch anime for the first time and I'm in contraction hell

>>722968634
damn bro i really care

>>722967758
No, it`s just boring as shit
>>self learning chinese pictographs for a useless language from a people who want nothing to do with you
So what? People who speak my own useless language want nothing to do with me either, may as well learn one I can use for watching cartoons and playing games

>>722967758
>fluent autist
those are just tips that just about every jap knows. you have a couple of autists who passed kanken 1 (6000+ runes known) and even learned the unicode codepoints for runes (something beyond unthinkable)
moonrunes are taught poorly stateside, hence the astronomical volume of complaints that they're absolutely impossible

so do I practice writing kanji or not?

>>722973042
No lol it's literally not needed in 2025

>>722973042
I'm a first-world ESL and I can't even write in my native language lol
Speaking the language, being able to read the language and type it on a computer / phone are the only things that matter

learning japanese is like a roguelike

>>722973042
nope

>>722973673
It's not. It's easy like a free-roaming JRPG where all you need to do is put in the time and level up. You'll get your ass handed to you by going to certain zones, but you eventually find good grinding places for your level and work your way up.

>>722916359 (OP)
pick your favorite vn and start reading. nothing else compares to the efficiency of vns.

>>722962949
When I was learning English through pure immersion (no anki/grammar/anything just a VN/anime/movie and a dictionary) it would take me like 50+ encounters for some words before I could finally memorize them.
When starting Japanese, I thought that Anki is supposed to help with this problem so I decided to focus on it. But yeah, after doing Anki for 2+ years I have a lot of words which I added at the very beginning and still can't memorize to this day. I guess if you have shit memory, like myself, then nothing will help you so you have to admit it to yourself, grit the teeth and just grind it.

>>722973889
In terms of word count vs. actual story content, VNs are like the least efficient medium of all time. By the same measure, manga is incredibly efficient. I recommend manga for beginners who don't want to end up bored to death.

>immersion learning
so you just pick something up that you have no clue what it says, look up what it says, and then continue with the next sentence/speech bubble/piece of dialog?

>>722974508
I think vns are the most efficient for these reasons.
1. They are voiced (usually). Closing your eyes and listening allows you to practice listening
2. They have subtitles. Reading practice.
3. Your comprehension speed is the pace. If you were to watch anime or any live action stuff, you have to keep up with it, and if youre unable it is discouraging to keep rewinding.
4. Some of them have gameplay to keep you interested.
5. Often have sex in them, also keeping you interested in them.

For these reasons i think vns are the most generally useful medium. If you wanted to solely practice listening, or reading, obviously youd have to swap mediums, but vns will give you all of the above.

>>722973889
This is Sakura no Uta right? I was thinking of picking it up next once I'm done with my current VN. How easy/hard is it to read?

>>722973889
>scajishit
>2559x1439
die

>>722974747
>5. Often have sex in them, also keeping you interested in them.
Sex scenes are a bit agonizing to read when you're a slow reader and you aren't horny at the moment

>>722974747
Just read easy LNs aimed at younger readers. Won't necessarily mean you won't run into hard vocab/grammar since the expectation is that native speakers are the ones reading them, but at the very least the subject matter and storytelling structure will usually be easy enough to follow. Some even have reasonably well-produced audiobooks to go along with them.

>>722974747
All of this is irrelevant if you're not a diehard VN autist. If you are, more power to you, but most people are going to be bored to death. I say this as someone who has read plenty of VNs in english but as of now I think I've tried at least 5 VNs for japanese practice but I couldn't stick with any of them, the pace is just too goddamn slow compared to my reading speed. On the other hand I've managed to get through 30 or so manga in Japanese. Something no one talks about with manga is that reading these in English is fucking garbage because of the bad localization and the fact that there is no voice acting to make up for that. VNs on the other hand, are not bad to read in English because of that voice acting giving you a decent sense of the characters' personalities even if the translation is shit. So learning Japanese feels like it unlocked a new medium of entertainment that I previously thought was pretty mediocre.

>>722975129
>the pace is just too goddamn slow compared to my reading speed. On the other hand I've managed to get through 30 or so manga in Japanese
That’s because manga has no narration, while VNs are filled with it.
If you want VNs with little narration, then try Axanael or Rance 03.

>>722917458
I found more interesting that weird fucking mother god cult than him being a weird tranny with a horrid voice changer in his videos

>>722975321
>That’s because manga has no narration, while VNs are filled with it.
Doesn't help that "narrative voice" (whatever you want to call it) uses almost completely different vocabulary from normal spoken Japanese. The lack of overlap between the two is seriously insane, it's like two parallel languages.
>Axanael
Looks like it has potential, thanks for the rec.

>>722959428
>>722958869
Even SMT Apocalypse has Furigana. But it is helpful in the sense that if you know SMT you are on college level reading level.

>>722975540
That’s why it’s important to read VNs and LNs. Avoiding the language used in narration is like ignoring a big wall that you’ll have to face later anyway if you want to enjoy media.

>>722918665
reading books

>>722974776
Yup sakura no uta. its relatively easy so far for me at 3.1k words, especially the dialogue. the only thing i hate about it is this stupid fucking song that comes on during the funny parts.
>>722975129
I just cant into manga for some reason. I read tokyo ghoul in english and thats it. vns give me the best mixture between dialogue and narration, similar to that of a novel, plus they are voiced. Its just the perfect combination.
>>722974943
that can be true. I guess you can always just make a save, skip the sex scene because they usually arent too important, and come back later and read it when you want to jerk off.
>>722975061
LNs are my next favorite for sure. they tend to give a much higher amount of narration, and the sentences usually become more complex.
>>722974742
Pretty much. the beginning is hell, but once you get past the cliff its smooth sailing. Life is so good now.

>>722921669
I work at a Japanese elementary school, I wonder if I can nab a Kokugo book or lesson plan or something and document grade school kanji/vocab/grammar
Actually, it might be easier to just order a teacher's edition textbook and look through that

>>722925940
Retard alert.

>>722918665
https://imabi.org/
>>722957150
this one is in hellsing
>>722957212
this one picked it up
>>722955951
https://nyaa.si/?f=0&c=0_0&q=TMW+epub
go nuts

>>722976054
>https://imabi.org/
>no だったりする
outdated boomer site

>>722974742
yep
it's just the start is just really rough from the sheer amount of things you need to look up

>>722974742
It sounds retarded but yes, that's basically how I learned english so I can confirm it actually works

>>722955973
wrong, a child has parents and teachers that speak to, model, influence, and correct the child's speech. The reason adults can go live in a foreign country for 10 years and not learn a single thing is because they don't have a parent or a teacher to guide them through the process. Children aren't fucking magic, you still have to teach them shit like proper grammar and syntax. Children spout copied sounds, words, and phrases 24/7 but if you're an adult then you tell them "that's not how you use that word, that's now you say that phrase, here's how you pronounce that, here's what you say when you want something like this" etc. etc. but adults are either too shy to speak a foreign language nonstop like a child and thus don't get corrected by natives, or the natives are too shy to correct another adults shitty attempts at language.

>>722973042
just learn a few dozen radicals and then you can pretty much reconstruct any kanji on sight with correct stroke order just by recognizing the radicals

魑魅魍魎

>>722973042
Only if you want to do kanken desu

>>722976969
Not even rare or unknown due to meme status.
Try 風声鶴唳.

>>722976704
>>722955973
Adults who live in foreign countries sometimes don't learn the language because they literally don't want to. A lot of immigrants will isolate themselves in communities with other people from their cultures and just refuse to assimilate or learn the local culture. If you don't want to learn a language, you won't learn it. Hence why there are ESLs who learn fluent English by playing vidya in their countries, but also Mexicans who live in the USA for decades without learning a single word of English. Language acquisition is something we able to do naturally, yes, but it does take a lot of effort and time.

Also if you dropped a child in a foreign country in a year or two they'll probably be dead or get trafficked.

>>722976969
>>722977028

>>722977569
this nigga speakin' chinese

>>722977569
四字熟語も良いけど諺ってどうかな
待てば海路の日和あり

>>722977569
Anons told me Rance was easy to read…

Why don't you guys just go to Japan and study at a language school? You could be fluent in a year, easily.

>>722955915
I hear this a lot, but since most VN characters are girls I'm worried I'll end up talking like a girl

>>722979915
Copy how the male mc talks? You'll have to know how girls talk too tho

>>722979915
Just read some delinquent manga afterwards to balance it out

>>722979827
Everything I learned and became good at was self-taught, outside of school.
Ironic, I know, but school is good for teaching discipline and memorizing things so that you can function in society and solve problems yourself, it’s not very effective for real learning.

>>722979915
read BL and otomege then

>>722976969
I swear my eyesight isn't good enough to read this language.

>>722980570
try having a solar scotoma

>>722980570
it's not so bad after you've learned some kanji/words
and you can always just zoom in a bit