Thread 722919469

You got not excuse now to not switch to linux.

i will never be memed into using shitux

i don't know what this is

>>722919613
i guess it's just a fancy windows vm or something.

https://www.winboat.app/

>>722919469 (OP)
sounds like a lot of bullshit to just be using windows anyway

>>722919469 (OP)
Does this mean I can finally use paint.net and adobe produce on Linux?

>no GPU passthrough
Usecase?

>>722920035
gpu passthrought is too dificult for normies.

Last time I tried linux I could even see a youtube video, just basic browsing was all fucked

>>722920310
use a noob distro like mint or ubuntu distros.

>>722919469 (OP)
>Electron
I don't eat shit

>>722919469 (OP)
winboat is literally just a windows install with remote apps but locally.

>>722920310
web browsing has basically never had any issue on linux. firefox just works, and if the website has compatibility issues because it's firefox you can always use chromium.
the only thing that sucks is drm. netflix and amazon like to add drm that won't work on linux so you're stuck to 720p. i'm not sure why because that sure as shit doesn't stop all their slop from getting pirated.

>>722919469 (OP)
The only thing you need is Steam and Proton GE.
You can run 99.9% of games on the market on Linux thanks to that.
https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/proton-ge-custom

The remaining 0.1% are games with spyware under the guise of kernel-level anti-cheats that can only run on Windows.

>>722921401
proton and wine only works for games.

Things that aren't games are broken.

>>722919469 (OP)
>troonix
No thanks.

>>722921548
Welcome to /v/

>>722921709
2D fighter maker is broken under wine, and that's a game engine.

>>722921548
>proton and wine only works for games.
wine works for any exe technically, but yes game compatibility tends to be the best. applications can get much more messy with drm and they do more complex shit than display stuff on your monitor.

>>722921920
WINE is broken for anything related to making music.

>>722919469 (OP)
What's the most normie friendly Linux distro?

>>722919469 (OP)
W10 ltsc is still supportet till 2032 btw.

>>722919469 (OP)
its just a vm, not really supported.. you need virtualization, not enough

>>722921993
linux mint and ubuntu distros like xubuntu, kubuntu.

If you have a really old PC, use lubuntu.
Kubuntu is really nice experience and to me is the pretiest.

Xubuntu is also very reliable, most Ubuntu distros are still ubuntu but with a diferent windows manager.

>>722921993
linux mint ignore cachyos it sucks

>>722921873
>>722921965

>>722922202
good luck running a VST inside LMMS or Flstudio using wine, lmao, retard.

>>722921873
>>722921965

>>722922202

>>722922102
best os for gaming? i want like the best perforamnce i can get for gaming

>>722919469 (OP)
does it work with photoshop
that's all that matters to me

>>722922296
any linux is like 10% of windos bloat, lmao.

Just start with an ubuntu distro like kubuntu or xubuntu.

>>722919469 (OP)
I can disable round corners and gay start on win11

>>722922202
>having to add everything to Steam just to get it to launch
Do Linux troons reeeaaallly??

>>722922102
>>722922127
Cheers.

>>722919469 (OP)
I can't wait to switch to Linux so I can spend all my time troubleshooting problems I've never had before

I've been stalling whether upgrading to 11 or switch to Linux, thankfully I'm yuropoor and I have one more year.
Any way I can seamlessly try to check whetever what I use work on Linux (either with this tool or Wine)? I'm not sure if I can just use a VM and try everything from there. Or maybe some places document compatibility?
I just have tons of things (not necessarily games) that I need and I want to make sure it works...

>>722919469 (OP)
but can it run office?

I'm going to use Godot to make my own OS. checkmate.

>>722922268
Audacity > FLStudio
GIMP > Corposhop

Change my mind.

>>722922397
>Do Linux troons reeeaaallly??
Yep, it just works.

>>722921920
Yes, it allows to run simple executables like Paint.exe that don't rely on other services running in the background.
Maya, Zbrush, Photoshop won't run with Wine.

>>722922501
>jeetGPT

>>722922478
There is no other way. Win11 is just too much. They're shoving their AI everywhere (and no one cares about electrical consumptions).
Troubleshooting will definitely be annoying, but they're already starting to shit on us with all their age/ID verification, "FOR THE CHILDREN", and no way it's not coming to Windows one day. I'm not risking it, I just want to be off this shit product.

>>722919469 (OP)
It's not good for gaming yet and the dev has already said so. It cannot use your GPU fully. It's nice for programs but not games. Wait a few more months / years.
Things are going better if you use Linux as a main OS and I've switched recently but it is not there yet.
Don't get high hopes for now, Anons.

>>722922501
Indians don't play videogames, they just... rape woman and children 24/7 I guess?

>>722921993
No Linux is friendly to anyone. It never just works.

>>722919469 (OP)
Does BF6 run on it?

No?

Then there is your excuse.

>>722922730
Games can be emulated with proton.

I need something for FLStudio and non games.

>>722922730
Just use Proton for games. It comes with steam so you don't have to worry about it.

>>722922546
Both Audacity and Gimp are dead and being replaced by corpo slop

>>722919469 (OP)
Linux is somehow more gay than windows

>>722922546
>Audacity > FLStudio
Nice bait, have a (You)

>>722922854
>I need something for FLStudio and non games.
Yeah, that's why I use it too FLStudio and Clip Studio Paint. It's nice for the moment but a bit too intense for my CPU (high usage just by running Winboat, it's seamingly a bug).
>>722922882
I mostly play old games on emulator so I'm not familiar with proton.

>>722922972
>>722922897
didn't audacity get replaced by tenacity?

>>722919562
You're such a good little goy, we here in Israel LOVE you so much.

>>722923353
Even better then. You can just install said emulator on Linux. No need for proton.

>>722921993
Universal Blue

>>722919469 (OP)
im too much of a "far right nazi homophobe biggot" infested wirth "hitler particles" to use troonux, its agenst their tos/coc

Would this let you run games with kernel level anticheat, or what's the point?

>>722923854
no they mention that on their website

>>722921993
I agree with others said already said, but if you really wanted the normie friendly "padded room so you don't hurt yourself", then you should go with Bazzite. It's basically equivalent to SteamOS but installable on wider hardware.

>>722923959
... so what's the point over proton or something?

>>722923854
The point is to be able to run Photoshop.

>>722923496
Lol, as if Israel and world politics affect what platform I play my games on. Did you build your own pc or console from self sourced parts, retard?

>>722924147
Never heard of that game. What genre is it? Is it fun?

>>722923854
wine is broken for anything non gaming related.

>>722923365
no it was replaced by sneedacity

>>722923365
Audacity was sold to the company Muse Group which tried to implement telemetric and that's why Tenacity was born.
I'd rather use the latter but the choice is yours.

I haven't even downloaded it yet and I'm already being filtered. What's the right answer?

>>722925096
use appimage.

It's basically the .exe version of linux now.

My advice is to install first appimagelauncher, then running appimages is the same as running windows binaries.

https://github.com/TheAssassin/AppImageLauncher

>>722923496
Good morning, Saar.

>>722925096
>do you use debian, fedora or arch?
no
>then use AppImage

>>722919469 (OP)
I don't understand, why would I switch to Linux to then use a worse version of Windows?
Why would I switch to Linux when my current, highly optimized Windows 10 LTSC works just fine?

saar

>>722925274
Don't they teach kids like you to read graphs nowadays? Or are you just dumber than average?

>>722926000
It's windows virtualized.

>>722923704
your windows license will be revoked, chud

>>722919469 (OP)
I will switch when HW acceleration and smooth scrolling just works in Firefox without hours of tinkering

>>722922546
>linux fags are so retarded that they don't even know what any given software does

im running windows 10 in its last days then it will be back to linux but i dont need that GARBAGE in the OP

>>722922546
>recommends Gimp instead of literally anything else
>recommends Audacity to replace a DAW
Do you actually use your computer for anything? Besides talking about Linux, that is.

>>722921401
>linux fag
>gacha fag
SAD

>>722921401
>there is a current boom in porting proton and other windows emulation to android
zoomers are soon going to play Steam on their phone

>>722919469 (OP)
>It's just a Windows VM running on Docker plus an Electron GUI for managing apps
I haven't even tried it and I could bet my left nut Wine has better performance, being an API interface rather than a full blown VM.

>>722919469 (OP)
I am using linux at work and I fucking hate it.

>>722919469 (OP)
I'm using windows 11 and it's better than linux.

>>722927619
I uninstalled linux from my work pc and installed windows 11 instead.

>>722927665
>heavier than linux
>packed to the gills with pointless features no one needs or wants
>ugly and inconsistent UI
>slow and bloated to hell and back
no sorry linux puts windows 11 in the dust

>>722925274
Outdated

>>722927796
>barebones and lightweight until you want basic functionality
>doesn't even come with basic features, any that it does have are buggy as fuck
>ugly and inconsistent UI that bogs down your system
>slows don immensely the moment you install fucking anything
Yeah, only a completely fresh install does though.

>>722927796
>heavier than linux
Not a problem.
>packed to the gills with pointless features no one needs or wants
???
>ugly and inconsistent UI
W11 UI is better than troonux UI.
>slow and bloated to hell and back
It's just as fast as troonux and it just works.

>>722928106
>>722928105
its painfully clear neither of you has actually used any linux distro

All OS are bad, just some are less bad than others. You have pride in having a less stinky pile of shit.

>>722928312
Grew up with linux, used it for 20 years.
Which is 20 years longer than you.

>>722928479
sure and i ate out yolandi visser every day for the entire time she was touring in america

>>722928479
I started with red hat 5 on magazine disk in the 90s it was dog shit back then and Linux is still dog shit today. There's no real viable alternatives though

I await the day windowfags will come to their senses that Linux is simply the best and worship the penguin.

>>722928696
just wait Microsoft isn't trying so hard to push online accounts for nothing the subscription model is coming soon

>>722919469 (OP)
WINJEET SISTERS

>>722919469 (OP)
I'm lazy and I don't really care

what distro for osxfag used to running everything off of terminal

Jumped ship to Ubuntu around 2022. Installed some DE mods to make it not be as dogshit. An upgrade broke said mods, and I didn't know or care to fix them. Finally got around to dumping Ubuntu and installing Mint. Fucking hell it's just so much more common sense.

>>722928452
holy based

>>722922501
Indians don't like it when you use their beloved software against them. See: the first reply to your post.

How i install FitGirl repacks on linux? If can pirate i will make my next $2000 PC build linux

>>722928479
I too like to claim untrue things to make myself more professional looking.

>>722920310
Linux distros by default don't use real graphics drivers, they use some shitware free garbage.

>>722930862
Lutris, Heroic Launcher or Bottles

Still not using linux lmao

>>722921015
I run Ubuntu on my bedroom tv. My standards have gotten so low from watching bootleg websites where the quality is terrible. idk if I'm even getting throttled on netflix or amazon on ubuntu firefox like you are saying.

>>722921993
Since you're on /v/ the answer is Bazzite. Otherwise it would be Aurora or Bluefin, depending on what interface the end user is more into.

>>722922296
It's irrelevant. Linux distros generally perform the same.
There might be differences in terms of Arch distros sometimes being faster than Fedora distros, while both are faster than Debian/Ubuntu distros. And this is mainly because (in very oversimplified terms) newer software/driver/package versions come to Arch first, Fedora 6 months later and Ubuntu 2 years later.
>inb4 Ubuntu non-LTS and Debian unstable
These are non-standard and users are pushed into using the LTS releases. Even Mint is using Ubuntu LTS and being over a year behind in updates and game compatibility/performance because of that.

>>722922494
>Any way I can seamlessly try to check whetever what I use work on Linux (either with this tool or Wine)?
ProtonDB for games. Primarily look for Proton 9 and Proton 10 reports since those are the latest versions and they massively improve compatibility compared to older versions.
There isn't an equivalent for regular software. I mean, there is winehq but it's extremely unpopular and pretty much every report is outdated and wrong. Even a lot of games there are reported as "not working" or "not working well" despite working fine for the past decade (example from one of the previous threads is Warcraft 3 which works flawlessly in Wine and Proton).
If you want to test things out you can set up a Linux Live USB with persistence. This way you can have Linux installed on a USB drive and test things out there without wiping your Windows install.

>>722921015
>netflix and amazon
I would assume and hope that people here are just pirating these. All their shows get released on torrent websites and pirate streaming websites.
By pirating you're getting 1080p no matter what OS you use.

>>722932297
>a year behind in game compatibility
If you're running games with /usr/bin/wine, maybe. Nobody does that in 2025 though. Every distribution gets the same Proton and the same Steam Linux Runtime from the Steam client, and other launchers similarly bring their own Wine.
Graphics driver packages being outdated is theoretically relevant to compatibility, but you still can't name a game that works on Arch and not on Mint.

>>722919469 (OP)
Between this one, Mint and Bazzite which one is better for total techlet?

>>722919469 (OP)
I've been using Linux primarily for 14 years and I've never heard of this.
What is it?

>>722922397
Only the newfags do this

I'm not going to use an operating system for trannies. just look at the face of the project

>>722933057
xe cute

>>722932883
>>722919851

>>722921401
>>722921401
is that all dumbkike? i own you you're my bitch you will be working for me and cook meth

>>722932817
Bazzite, obviously.
>this one
WinBoat is just a virtual machine manager that creates a Windows virtual machine and makes it feel like your Windows software is running natively. I wouldn't recommend using it since it apparently exposes your whole user directory to the Windows VM, which means you can get affected by Windows malware. It's better to just set up a virtual machine yourself, which is as easy as installing an OS is.

>>722932883
See above. It's the same thing as WinApps.

>>722931217
>5E DM's Guide
My condolences.

>>722922397
>Do Linux chads reeeaaallly??
Ye.
It's the easiest way to play weird shit. Especially on deck. Modded diablo2 was the most recent thing I added.
>>722932906
Ye.

>>722933057
goddamn, what a woman.

>>722919469 (OP)
Except games don't work on linux.

>>722919469 (OP)
Just fucking use windows instead.

>>722919469 (OP)
Sure I do. My network cards documentation was scrubbed from the internet regarding linux

>>722922730
>no hardware acceleration
fuckin linuxtards, they will screech and holler for you to use their most doghshit distros and application while settling for the crappiest FOSS known to man just because it's not windows or mac

>>722933410
>EA shooter slop doesn't work on linux
good thing I'm White. all of my vidya work

>>722933516
>good thing I'm White
Why do you hate yourself?

>>722922501

>>722933181
>>722933229
So why did OP post this on /v/? It has nothing to do with video games. You can't even play games on it because there's no GPU passthrough. The main point seems to be running office and the adobe suite and things like that.

I DON'T NEED TRIPLE A AND QUANTUM A GAYMING I NEED TO IS FAP FAP IS WHAT CONSUMES ME FAP IS WHAT DRIVES ME I FAP AND I WILL STIMULATE I WILL FAP FOREVER AND EVER LINUX WILL PROVIDE ME WITH FAPS I WILL FAP TILL MY SCHLONG IS UNAVAILABLE I WILL FAP TILL END OF THE UNIVERSE I WILL FAP

:(

>>722933250
5e was ok. We tried it out for a little, and it was a sorta nice for a bit going from hyper optimized 3.5 and pathfinder to something simple. Then we all got bored after 1 campaign and took a break.
Pathfinder2e is fantastic btw.

>>722933639
/v/ isn't for video games you doofus

>>722933579
>98.21% of indians use windows
grim

>>722933410
>Wine, Proton, and Steam Deck are not supported by this application!
So EA is intentionally blocking it from working on Linux? Because otherwise the error message wouldn't point out the fact that it knows it's running on Linux. Interesting.

REMINDER, to NEVER let yourself be memed into linux, NEVER, windows and mac have more software, while their open and free software is ass even on macos, besides everything that supposed to be easy to be done with this system is a fucking mess, linux is and will be shit and nobody care to fix it

>>722933410
kek no fucking way

>>722933779
Imagine how good the future will be when 100% of india start using Linux and use AI to develop it

>>722933845
AND PLEASE BUY WINDOWS LICENSE ITS NOT THAT EXPENSIVE ITS WORTH IT
i forgot that

>>722933806
yeah, the anti cheat spyware malware the game comes with can't be possibly installed on linux

>>722933730
you got me

why linuxtards always show their shitty desktop with terminal? it won't make your shitty software better or won't make your shitty os more attractive for the developers

>>722922594
come on, really? Chat-JeetPT works way better.

>>722921401
>The only thing you need is Steam and Proton GE.
Use the Heroic Games Launcher to launch games from Epic and GOG.

>>722933981
literally my friend is gamedeveloper and he is non stop making fun of how deluded are people using linux, because nobody is going to waste time to make games for 3% of desktop computers in the world where you have over 100 mln users

>>722919469 (OP)
read the fucking manual before you shill
this is worthless for gayming

>>722919469 (OP)
>You can run stuff that doesn't play well with CrossOver or WINE, and have a full Windows desktop at the same time.
Such as?? Games only.

why argue all day instead of just using whatever they want
i hope online forum fags will get cancer

>this os is for jeets
>no, this one
Wake up, idiots. Jeet menace plagues everything. There's no saving.

if you need a GUI for wine get bottles
https://github.com/bottlesdevs/Bottles

>>722934169
basically he says that in gamedev they shit on linuxtards because they think their job is a charity, games barely work on mac and they expect them to develop for like 0,5% of people who will play their titles on linux specifically, this won't happen, EVER

linuxtranies are fucking retarded lmao

>>722934323
What Indians control anything with Linux?

>no gpu passthrough
Worthless garbage

>>722932793
>you still can't name a game that works on Arch and not on Mint.
I'm not sure about that. My friend moved away from Mint 21.3 because apparently a lot of games didn't work. Ever since he did he has not complained. And my other two friends which immediately started with Bazzite have no complaints at all despite that being the first non-Windows OS they've ever used.
Clearly by the end of the Ubuntu LTS release cycle the libraries are outdated enough for it to matter. I mean think of it this way. If there's a breakthrough in kernel level anti cheat compatibility right after Ubuntu 26 gets released, Linux Mint will be stuck without those games for 2 years while they'd be playable on Arch and Fedora.

>>722933639
>You can't even play games on it because there's no GPU passthrough.
Apparently there will be at some point.
>The main point seems to be running office and the adobe suite and things like that.
I guess the logic was that a lot of people are claiming those are the only reason they're not moving away from Windows even if all games they play work in Wine/Proton.

>>722933667
You don't need the gaming mode. It's literally just a fancy Steam Big Picture mode.

>>722934037
>won't make your shitty os more attractive for the developers
You realize that most devs use Mac or Linux? The only devs using Windows are game devs and those working on ancient software with a ton of technical debt that was built for Windows servers/services and cannot be migrated away from it.

>>722934169
Proton is the platform to target, not Linux. And Proton is just an emulated Windows environment. So nobody cares if game devs don't make Linux games when Windows games works just fine on Linux.

>>722933845
>t. loicense seller

>>722934520
>when Windows games works just fine on Linux.
>emulated
fuck off xDDD holy shit, this cope and delusion is absolutely insane, I remember when I been told that witcher 3 runs better on linux without emulation and now I'm being told that emulation is best possible FUCKING KEK WHAT A MEME

>>722919469 (OP)
Pajeet garbage

>>722934680
>
you know it wont take you long to install linux on a second drive and try it yourself
reminder subscription model windows is coming anyone with any kind sort of foresight recognizes this

>>722934475
>gpu passthrough
>Just add latency and cut my FPS in half please!

new-cancer shibboleth

>>722934850
>he never actually tried GPU passthrough

>The Wincuck melty
holy lel

>>722919562
This, shitux lost and will never run every game like WINDOWS does.

Literally there is like ZERO reason to install linux just to play games that already work fine under windows, all you do is a fucking false adversting and memming people into shittier OS
captcha;HAKTS

>>722920035
GPU pass through into a x window(or wayland) would be God tier.

>>722935091
>>722934969
what are you retards going to do when the hammer drops and windows goes subscription model? dont tell me you are going to pay like a cuck just to start your computer

>>722935247
I'll just pirate it like everyone else does

>>722934520
Proton is not emulation you fucking buffoon.

>>722935218
i mean i dont know why? its not like kernel level anti cheat will magically work and everything else runs so well through proton its almost pointless

>>722935368
this, only linuxtards doomposting about le meme subscribtion model

>>722934085
>Heroic Games Launcher to launch games from Epic
Imagine unironically using Ebin games.

>>722935091
>Literally there is like ZERO reason
w11 spyware
troonix isnt as bloated as windows

>>722935368
they will make that impossible once there is a monetary incentive the only reason they have not done so is because its not costing them anything once there is subscription money on the line you will find windows impossible to pirate

>>722935430
>People were paranoid about Microsoft spying on their users
>They openly tell you they screenshot everything you do on your pc

>>722919469 (OP)
Win11 just werk, so no

>>722919469 (OP)
>You got not excuse
REDEEM THE LOONIX SAAR

>>722935525
No reason to pass on free games.

What's /v/ opinion on GE-Proton?

No reason to use linux outside of a professional setting, I value my time and nobody pays for it out here.

>>722935409
I assume winboat has the Spyware while proton is more like porting windows libraries to Linux. Proton is also open source while winboat uses proprietary windows.

Still a big step for killing windows.

>>722935740
I never needed to use it but I know it exists if proton fails at something.

>>722935771
im a professional shitposter

>>722922296
Depends on your video card.

>>722935247
i will continue to use atlas because using a custom windows os will always be better to use than troonix

>>722919469 (OP)
why would I use this over wine/proton?

>>722935771
so explain to me why you put up with windows 11 stopping its install midway through to "install updates" that takes an hour and a half even on a 2 gig connection and fast PC? meanwhile almost every linux dristro is a max 40 minutes install and most are less than 20

>>722935696
Learn2pirate newfag

>>722935551
like fucking WHO, faggots from g? nobody I know gives a shit about it

>>722935912
you wouldnt because its some vm bullshit without gpu passthrough

>>722935948
because linux literally has like ZERO options in the gui and nothing to be updated at most, fuck off, jesus christ

>>722935994
It's not just /g/ is everyone with a brain that give a shit about privacy, if you don't care feel free to reply to this post with your personal information :^)

>>722935831
its literally a windows 11 VM patched through to linux desktop and kernel level anti cheat is designed to not run on VMs

>>722935948
>windows update
I assure you I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
Also how often do you need to reinstall your OS? Often because insignificant changes can break the shit out of it straight to kernel panic?

>>722936118
>with a brain that give a shit about privacy
how new you are, I stopped caring about this shit and nothing changed

>>722936278
Post it then, faggot.
If you don't then you obviously care LOL

>inb4 "uhh I know they go as far a screenshot everything but I TRUST I can disable it"

uhhhhhh....
which one?

>>722936158
its less that i need to and more that i like to i dont remember the last time i broke an OS install windows or linux still does not excuse the fact windows 11's install has a completely avoidable and unneeded delay

>>722921965
That's not true. I have FL Studio running through wine, I just don't have ultra low latency ASIO shit going on.

>>722936437
Kde if you want something similar to Windows
Gnome if you are a Macfag

I don't need this cuz non-cc photoshop runs fine in WINE

Honestly I'm so tired of this meme privacy shit, it's been 10 years when I stopped giving a shit and noone called me with their ad offer, I read no spam mails with shitty ads, I have blocked ads everywhere

what are they supposed to do me? send fucking ninjas with their weekly sales bulletin when I'm not online?

fuck off, fucking retarded kids and their MUH PLIWACI

fucking bullcrap and nothing else

>>722936501
It's avoidable alright just don't connect it to the internet.

>>722936559
The sad thing is that most linux users literally use Apple phones, have youtube and goodle accounts, pay patreon and other shit.

>>722936559
you couldnt glow any harder if you tried

>>722936583
>get up and unplug your ethernet cable just to install windows cause they designed the installer like mouth breathing pakleds
i mean ill just use autounattend but this still does not change the fact it happens at all

>its a preconfigured VM
>with no passthrough
Wine and proton are fine. DQX with translation tools runs on Linux now and that was my singular usecase for windows

>>722935382
No shit it's not hardware emulation nor did I ever claim it was. But it is emulating/simulating a windows environment. Nobody cares about semantics.

>>722936437
KDE is objectively better unless you're really into featureless smartphone interfaces.

>>722936641
>linux users literally use Apple phones
Not really. iOS doesn't interact well with anything other than Windows and MacOS.

>>722936737
There's literally commands you can feed in rufus that make it internet retarded during the install.
You've spent too much time in the linuxverse, windows and linux are the same fucking shit, you can do 99.9% of everything through the cli.

>>722922501
lord chat jipiti will tell you 2+2=5 if you ask it to, it's a yes-man who will make shit up and then lie to your face

>>722919469 (OP)
Almost all of my software doesn't work on Linux. I'm also not in in a mood to keep fixing inevitable new issues on top of existing ones.
Linux is mostly for coders and browsing web. Anyone who games a lot and seriously or uses PC for work is fucked on Linux.

>>722936830
did you miss the part where i said ill just use autounattend? this still does not excuse the fact such a thing even exists and exists as its worst possible version

>>722936801
>emulating a windows environment
If I take Spanish, hear it completely, translate it to English, and then dictate the English to another person, what Spanish have I emulated?

>>722936437
Gnome is in shambles, don't do it. Somehow despite having far fewer features than KDE, it is more bloated and runs worse AND is less stable despite the gorillion years of "development"
>but I like how GNOME looks
You can make KDE identical to gnome

>>722936938
Sorry it's 4chan I read the first 5 words and get angry and start posting.
They're trying to kill it now too the jewish kike fucks.
And they had to make windows retard-friendly, linux should really try it sometime, they can lock down features but you can always get them back.

>>722937112
Linux absolutely should NOT try it if you want retard friendly install mint or ubuntu and dont tinker

Anyone lurking this thread should be aware that this guy (>>722936801) is a fucking idiot and is not to be listened to.

>>722936437
KDE is more modern and has more features
if you dont like the look you can change it later on

Look: give me

>An Operating System that does not require signing up for accounts to function (see: steal all my information and watch me)
>Allows me to organize, view, and otherwise store my media files
>Is equipped with an Internet browsing application program that is safe from online threats

then I'll stop using Windows.

Granted, I don't like the ENORMOUS bloat of Windows 10, and now 11 (and I have minimized it) which STALLS my processing power for NO REASON... at least it works.
Eventually, I will just not-connect to the Internet, anymore, though. Seriously, fuck the Internet these days.

Can I play Skyrim with Mod Organizer 2 (and Wabbajack) in Linux?

Linux is better than Win10/11, but linux is also shit.
There's no good OS anymore.

>>722937229
trust me we all know

WINDOWS SUX LINUX RUUUULEZ

>>722936437
Gnomes simplicity improves productivity. Make sure to isntlal gnome tweaks, enable minimize/maximize buttons, and install a system tray addon. Yes the devs are trannies.

>>722937256
>I don't like the bloabut I won't use Linux
You don't even know what bloat is

>>722936801
>And Proton is just an emulated Windows environment
You specifically did say it was. You're a hemorrhoid on the anus of society. Stop posting here and never come back.

>>722919469 (OP)
Paint Tool SAI is like my only reason for still staying on Windows. If I can just use it without any headaches I'll probably switch.

>>722937416
it has an entry on lutris so im guessing it works fine
otherwise you can just use krita

>>722936801
>No shit it's not hardware emulation
It's not emulation, period. Hardware or software.

>>722937229
>guy speaks facts do not listen to him

>>722933806
That's exactly it. Every time you hear someone complaining that a modern game doesn't work on Linux, either the user is either too stupid to be allowed to use the computer unsupervised or the developers and/or publisher intentionally made the game incapable of running on Linux.

>>722937547
You are not as intelligent as you think.

>>722935968
Can't pirate denuvo.

I'm too lazy to learn how to do basic shit again.
Also I don't want to fuck up and lose my data while learning how not to fuck up.

>>722933410
thats a shame this just got added to the " dumbass fuckery do not buy" list i cant stand whe4n something is made to artificially not work

>>722937256
Have you considered Linux Mint?

>>722937416
I feel you, I also was a Sai user but dropped it in favor of Krita because of Linux and because Sai shortcomings were getting to me.
>No text tool
>No good transform tool
>No blur/warping tool
etc, Sai feels great but lacking some features can be a pain sometimes, you could still use a Virtual Machine like op's app and run it.

>>722937789
you are going to lose data either way if you aren't backing it up. microsoft will not save you

I'm not going to switch to Linux until it's as easy to use as windows. No I don't want to download additional shit like heroic launcher just to play my non steam games not do I want to spend an hour troubleshooting why Photoshop keeps bugging out on wine.

>>722938043
point out where he said they would

>>722937956
Yeah the only reason I'm using SAI still is because I've been using it since like 2007-2008 and I'm fucking 41 now and learning a new program is infuriating. At least SAI2 has a text tool and a basic-ass gaussian blur, but it's pretty much in the same spot it was back then.

>>722938098
Do you shit yourself when windows fucks up?

>>722938098
you dont download heroic lunahcer as " additional shit" you download it in place of the epic games store

>>722937880
Yes. It's on my "to do" list if enough stress of Windows nonsense reaches my limit. And that's approaching.
Linux Mint sounds appealing, and on a boring weekend, I'll probably purchase some $200 laptop, wipe it, and give Linux Mint a try.

>>722921993
I asked Grok and he said Linux Mint Cinnamon edition.

ok be honest what are the chances that adobe has an internal linux build of their software suite?

>>722937402
>>722937538
>An "emulated environment" refers to a software-based simulation of a different system, platform, or device. It allows one system to behave like another, usually for the purpose of running software or performing tasks that the original system was designed for.
It's creating a fake Windows environment and translating Windows API calls back to Linux. It is emulation by definition and it makes no sense to call it anything else unless you're autistic enough to give a shit about how it actually works.
Being "technically correct" in conversations doesn't matter as much as you think it does.

>>722919469 (OP)
>electron

>>722935890
u bad motherfucker, i was waiting for someone to namedrop an alternative. gonna try this

>>722938165
Meme. My Windows never fucked up.

fuck windows jeets fuck them so hard for being 20 iq jeets and retarded just like microsoft

Can you game from a Linux installed on a live USB with persitance?

I'll bite, how do I try Linux without committing?

>>722938751
its a translation layer thats what its officially called you sack of dumb hammers

>>722938920
Use Rufus to make a live USB, I have to go buy a USB stick which is why I asked >>722938904

>>722938842
>Meme. My Windows never fucked up.
I'm responsible for hundreds of windows installs, windows absolutely fucks up. It's a ticking time bomb. You can only delay it.

What's the point of this when the only reason you'd ever want some Windows virtualized or otherwise would be to play games that use kernel level anti-cheat... which block virtualization so won't work anyway.
The people who are always whinging about Adobe and other professional software don't actually use that shit.

>>722939001
How big the stick should be?

>>722939068
Minimum 16gb, comfortable 32gb.

>>722938920
Just install on a second HD.

>>722939068
big enough you are better off buying a second SSD

Do you guys know how to get the PVZ fusion language mod to work in lutris or is this just the brown people ragebait thread?

>>722919469 (OP)
>no gpu acceleration on WinBoat
And into the trash it goes. I'll stay on Windows.

>>722938751
>It is emulation by definition

>>722938920
every distro lets you boot from a stick to try it out
like the other anons said just get some shitty 32gb stick
theyre dirt cheap nowadays

>>722938617
It runs on Mac so they already have a UNIX build. They could easily get it running on Linux or bad. Tell it to look for libraries somewhere else.

>>722939269
When winboat gets PCI pass through into a window, there will be almost no reason to use windows, except for a few games with kernel anticheat.

>>722938974
>translation layer
You're arguing about semantics. It doesn't matter what it's called. A translation layer means nothing to an average person while emulation is a widely understood term of "it runs stuff it's not meant to".

>>722938920
If you do install Linux, don't worry about picking a distro. use whatever is mainstream like Ubuntu. They all use the sane Unix packages. Only difference is LTS builds use older ones for longer fir stability reasons.

>>722939104
Not a problem then, thanks.
>>722939107
I'm using all of my secondary disks for one thing or another and I don't want to fuck up.
>>722939351
Can I access my "windows" files? Also, which distro? Mint?

>>722932817
Winboat is not a distro. Its a program you run on your PC.

>>722939409
There are no games with kernal anticheat worth playing.

>>722939068
Most Linux installers are the entire OS on a USB stick. You don't need to install it to use it.

>>722938904
>>722939068
You can. You'll need a 64GB USB drive, plus extra space if you want to keep games on it.

>>722939479
My only advice is to switch off anything gnome related

>>722939412
i think the average person would better understand the phrase " translation layer" over " emulation" since most already have a vague understanding of what a translation is

>>722939479
Wrong. Pick the newest flavor of the week distro and change every week.

>>722939409
>except for a few games with kernel anticheat.
Let's just be honest; those games are for faggots anyway.

>>722939596
Can't I run my currently installed games from a live USB?

>>722938123
I get you man I started using back then too, it was hard for me to leave SAI behind I've tried SAI2 before and it didn't feel right, also I was scared that out of the blue SAI would stop working on modern Windows.

>>722939479
Yeah, I'm sure a former Windows user isn't gonna get filtered by Gnome. Specially the ass-backwards Ubuntu variety that makes vanilla Gnome look good.

>>722939507
idk if you can mount your drives but it probably works
pick whatever distro you want
mint is ok but i dont like it because the DE i tried(xfce) had shitty mouse settings
just download mint cinnamon and see if you like it

>>722939301
Precisely. See >>722938751
>Being "technically correct" in conversations doesn't matter as much as you think it does.

>>722939625
>you need to type extra characters or words to talk about things in a correct way, otherwise you can't talk at all!
You have to be a real fucking idiot to have this opinion.

>>722939718
You might not want to, I had issues with games installed on NTFS partitions.

death to microsoft
death to corpo cultists

>>722938904
Nothing stops you from doing that except that USB sticks tend to cope poorly with high intensity use. I ran most of my test OSs off a portable USB drive though (just a normal SATA SSD in USB enclosure).

>>722939842
you said the average person would better understand the term "emulation" over " translation layer and i told you it was flat wrong and if you are really concerned about "typing less characters" just type in wine or proton

>>722919469 (OP)
>You got not
SAAAAAAAR DO NOT REDEEEEEEEEM

>>722939842
You're an overconfident idiot.

>>722939718
Proton doesn't work well on NTFS. Setting up a proton/wine environment is unsupported and running games from an NTFS drive is sometimes unsupported as well. You'll have less of a headache if you store games on a btrfs or ext4 partition.

Are Linux users the most insufferable fanbase on /v/ and perhaps all of 4chan, maybe even the entire internet?
The only other one that even comes close to how obnoxiously they are is snoys

>>722940094
I'm absolutely right in everything I've posted thus far. But please do continue your autistic screeching.

>>722919469 (OP)
i've been trying to, but, ironically, the only thing that works for with me is games.
Everything else just does not fucking work or is understandable in how to make it work 3 distros later, especially Fusion and Rhino, both of which i explicitly need for work.
Maybe this winboat thing will work, but it still leaves the problem that Linux is inherently complicated and free (Read: Fragmented) when you want to do more than browse net on it, which makes it a fucking hassle to find anything for anyone who isnt a 24/7 no life tech nerd.

And yes i have tried retard-proof distros like mint and bazzite and Arch with its wiki. Same issue - i can use it for basic shit and gaming, but it cant use the software i need no matter what.

>>722919469 (OP)
So winboat is just a VM gui right? So i couldnt like... use it to run a mod manager/mod loader that was hooking into and loading mods for a game i have installed on linux right...

>>722940183
>the nin toddler is also a windows cock gobbler
imagine my shock

>>722940237
Winboat it just a fancier way to do VMs really, how is your experience for that?

>>722940335
doesn't mod organizer 2 work on linux?

Linux to tranny pipeline status?

>>722940516
My experience is "I've been using windows for decades and didnt have any reason to move until the recent bullshit"
I did play with virtualbox a little bit in the past but even that worked like shit on linux for me.

So why CAN'T Linuxfags simply make Linux work for gaming?

It's not like Windows is running on black magic or, since it's so jeeted, ayurvedic copromancy.
It's fucking code. How the fuck do you not just make code that recognizes code?
>We made an entire human body but it's not compatible with a spinal cord, but it's still a good body
No it's not. It's fucking useless. Could you at least make a fucking wheelchair for it so it can get around instead of sitting there like a limp pile of shit?

Linux is a fucking cripple and they refuse to code a wheelchair for it.
And since there are so many different splits of Linux that just means there's a fucking cavalcade of cripples and people desperately trying to convince me that Windows' ability to walk isn't important.
REAL OPERATING SYSTEMS DRAG THEMSELVES ACROSS THE GROUND
Fuck off.

>>722919469 (OP)
Yes I do my wifi dosent work on it

>>722938751
It's not emulation lmao

>>722939507
Mint gets recommended because it has been the generic "starter" distrobution for years but it doesn't actually do anything special.

Realistically, there are three main flavors of modern Linux.

First is Debian, which is similar to Windows in that it has occasional major updates and small patches between. Mint is just Debian but repackaged by someone besides Red Hat. Most of the semi well known distros are just Debian with one thing changed and a new website because some retard wanted to have their own version to get some nerd cred. If you want Linux how some retard in Africa or the poor parts of Europe think is it should be, this is for you.

Second is Fedora, which is the free version of Red Hat Linux. RHL is what Microsoft wishes old Windows NT was. Red Hat uses Fedora as their test platform for their paid software, which means they have a vested interest in making it stable and usable for their paid customers. Similar to the Debian derivatives, this will have major releases and patches between. Unlike the Debian derivatives, the people publishing this are professionals. If you want Linux you don't need to fuck with and made by an actual software company, this is for you.

The third is Arch. Arch has a reputation for being difficult because retards think complex = better. Arch has no major updates, and each part of your system updates seperately. Also, each part of your system is as standalone as possible. The hardest part of Arch is installing, and that is just because the people the make Arch refuse to make an installer. So other people have made their own Arch installers, that are basically just Arch minus the annoying part, such as EndeavourOS. If you were the type of person that tinkered with your computer before Microsoft did their best to make that impossible, one of these might be best for you.

>>722919469 (OP)
Literally the only thing in life that matters is convenience is Linux is inconvenient to install and inconvenient to use
I don't give a single flying FUCK about how much better it is or how shitty Microsoft is, I will never switch because of this simple fact alone
Stop making these retarded threads if you're not going to keep convenience in account

>install linux mint (xfce because it's really lightweight)
>love it so far, doesn't lag like windows, no ads, no bloatware, enjoy using the terminal
>however every 1-4 days it freezes randomly and needs to reset. Sometimes even multiple times in one day
>change different nvidia drivers, doesn't fix
>have reinstalled linux mint to a different version, same issue
>have even taken my SD drive out and used it in another computer
>still the same issue
Is there any way to know what is going on? Is there a different distro I can try that's as good?

>>722940237
I don't understand what you're complaining about. You're trying to use software which doesn't support Linux at all. Either find an alternative, or get the developers to make a Linux build, or just have a separate work computer like most people do.
If you're the one choosing the tools then you're the one who needs to change. If it's your employer who is choosing the tools for you then you should've been provided with a laptop.

>>722940667
I don't think you've ever coded a single thing in your life.

I really hope Wayland is going to stop being absolute dog shit on Ubuntu 26.04 considering that those fags decided to abandon Xorg

>>722940643
If you want to give VMs another try using QEMU, will be better than VirtualBox, the only OS that runs well on VB for me its XP and I don't know why kek

>>722919469 (OP)
pussy nigga think i'll switch to silly penguin OS, pussy nigga wrong, big white cock nigga stayin in windows 10 forever

>>722940845
They did? Fucking finally.

>>722935968
nobody said i dont, but i dont mind having a single launcher downloaded that i open once a month to grab a free game. i get alerts for free games and only open it to grab something im interested in.

>>722940667
this is so stupid its on the level of a trailer park dweller

>>722940845
Wayland works fine on KDE.

>>722940898
>windows 10 user who still has some Japanese made game in unity from 2021 that's not been updated due towards the vulnerability.
I'll give you 2 months tops before you have to reformat your entire PC and then some.

>>722940812
The stubbornness of retards is truly astounding to behold. They steadfastly hold their ground no matter what because the alternative is to learn, which is apparently too taxing.

>>722940835
something taking all your ram eventually is what it sounds like to me

>>722939507
Mint gets recommended because it has been the generic "starter" distrobution for years but it doesn't actually do anything special.

Realistically, there are three main flavors of modern Linux.

First is Debian, which is similar to Windows in that it has occasional major updates and small patches between. Mint is just Debian but repackaged by someone else. Most of the semi well known distros are just Debian with one thing changed and a new website because some retard wanted to have their own version to get some nerd cred. If you want Linux how some retard in Africa or the poor parts of Europe think is it should be, this is for you.

Second is Fedora, which is the free version of Red Hat Linux. RHL is what Microsoft wishes old Windows NT was. Red Hat uses Fedora as their test platform for their paid software, which means they have a vested interest in making it stable and usable for their paid customers. Similar to the Debian derivatives, this will have major releases and patches between. Unlike the Debian derivatives, the people publishing this are professionals. If you want Linux you don't need to fuck with and made by an actual software company, this is for you.

The third is Arch. Arch has a reputation for being difficult because retards think complex = better. Arch has no major updates, and each part of your system updates seperately. Also, each part of your system is as standalone as possible. The hardest part of Arch is installing, and that is just because the people the make Arch refuse to make an installer. So other people have made their own Arch installers, that are basically just Arch minus the annoying part, such as EndeavourOS. If you were the type of person that tinkered with your computer before Microsoft did their best to make that impossible, one of these might be best for you.

>>722940842
Nope.
Never have, never will.

Now code a fucking wheelchair for your crippled operating system or live with the absolute failure of your creation like your parents had to.

>>722919851
Nothing fancy about it. It's not going to run your shootan gaymes acceptably either.

>>722921401
Yes but can it run my cracks?

>>722937256
seconding this. will wait until you get a straight answer from someone who isnt a smug faggot redditor

>>722919469 (OP)
You're still running Windows at that point.

>>722941057
Near everything I run works on linux. Cope and seethe brownskin.

>>722940898
You'll be on Windows 11 soon enough, when you realize it's literally the same thing as Windows 10.

>>722940183
pretty much, it's always
>you want to switch to linux but not use command prompt uhg tech illiterate nigger
>wtfbbq why are people not switching to linux :<<
>fine, fuck you all then, it's for intellectuals anyway!!
rinse and repeat

>>722940981
Sounds like bullshit whining from someone who just can't do what windows jeets can do, honestly.
>THEY'RE SO DUMB AND BROWN WITH THEIR OPERATING SYSTEM THAT CAN WALK
Cool.
My computer is not a welfare office for handicapped operating systems however.

My computer is not California, I do not house jobless niggers on my hardware property.

>>722940992
yeah, if it does not work in gnome I'll probably simply install arch with KDE or something
I just don't really want to distro hop without any major reason for that

>>722941040
Arch has an installer, you dullard. It's not even that hard to use if you're the target audience of Arch. In fact you can be well below the target audience and still use it.

>>722941320
you made the bait too obvious

>>722941402
I don't think he's pretending

>>722941402
Oh well, I guess my bait works as well as Linux does.

>>722940898
you type like a tranny who thinks hes funny on social media

>A former Microsoft employee has made linux more accessible than any distro in it's entire 30+ year history,
Remember to praise gaben

>>722941667
>implying gaben makes any decisions at valve anymore instead of just raking in cash for doing nothing

>>722941454
just let me believe he is and be glad i dont work in retail

why cant linuxfags just make a distro that just werks and just operates normally. like windows except not shit? they have to make it contrived as fuck rather than just make it intuitive and simple. nobody thinks youre cool for having to do 5 keyboard "shortcuts" and opening terminal in order to open a browser with a youtube tab.

>>722941159
>go to Steam Hardware Survey
>filter by OS = Linux
>open the versions
>pick any that isn't SteamOS, Arch or PopOS
So the answer is Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora, CachyOS, Bazzite. These are your easy distros. Some are easier than others, but all of them match the criteria.
There isn't anything special about specific distros when it comes to "organizing files" or "web browsing".

>>722937256
>>722941159
I mean, it really depends on what you mean by
>Allows me to organize, view, and otherwise store my media files

If you just organize your files into folders then any version of linux will do the trick. I think the big NAS products and media servers are also all linux based. Did you try it and had anything that didn't work?
If you just need an offline storage you could even use an old windows version as long as you don't connect it to the internet.

>>722941667
>Bazzite, the only usable Linux distribution, is made by a Microsoft community manager
HOLY SHIT

>>722941753
0/10 bait

>>722941753
you can just open the application menu and double click the browser icon when was the last time you even looked at linux?

>>722927174
BPSR isn't a gacha game. It's just cosmetic lootboxes.
It is however kind of fucking dull.

In an ideal world people who don't know how to use a terminal would never be able to use a computer.

I like nobara. It's fedora based, by the guy (glorious eggroll, or GE) who does proton. (compatibility later so Windows coded games can run on Linux) so it has most of the gaming stuff inbuilt with very little need to mess with shit that's mostly if you use your OC for stuff more complicated than browsing or gaming . He made it mostly for his dad, so it has most of the more difficult shit taken care of and the nobara discord is pretty active, so you can get some help.

I think it's neat.

>>722941917
>when was the last time you even looked at linux
when i hung out with my irl smug linuxfag friend who uses arch and has to do 50 gorillion commands just to do fucking anything with the least appealing UI possible. for some reason you guys think you are the baddest coolest dudes for not using a mouse or something.

>>722933208
>\Music folder\music

>>722922501
Indians use linux because they're not good enough for windows.
I use linux because windows isn't good enough for me.
We are not the same.

>>722941917
also i don't need to see linux to know it sucks.

>>722941667
>>722941850
so linuxfags can't get their shit together and need microsoft to fix their shitty operating system?

>>722942067
i require being able to use a mouse before ill even put up with an OS why would i want to make it more complicated to watch my pirated doctor who?
your friend is probably a retard trying to seem smart to himself
ask him if he is " above" star trek and or star wars

>>722942039
Oh i wonder when shit went wrong

>>722923365
THE TENACITY I HOLD, ITS HARD TO BREAK DOWN
IT'S TOO LATE FOR APOLOGIES
IT'S GOING DOWN NOW

>>722935861
me too

>>722934169
this. if linuxvegans want people to joim them they must first A: stop being so fucking smug all day every day and B: just make a distro that looks and acts like the good parts of windows with none of the bad parts. boom. simple shit.

>>722941753
>why cant linuxfags just make a distro that just werks
I am starting to ask myself the same question
I like linux but damn, some software that is surrounding it barely works
Ubuntu LTS ships nautilus with quite obvious and really annoying bugs that are not fixed for years (because you need to wait for another LTS)
Ntfs3 kernel module sucks and I have no idea why it is even enabled for external drives
Also my bluetooth mouse kept behaving weird / laggy and the only way to fix it was to disable usb power saving for some reason. Have no idea why all of those weird things are enabled by default if they clearly cause issues and are not stable
Then there are gnome devs who are just a bunch of fags all around

>beta
Maybe on my next build

>>722919469 (OP)
Use case?

>>722941753
>>722942698
fedora+kde just works 99.9% of the time.

>>722942926
this genre of human is worse than literal trannies and nothing you guys say will change that.

>>722943168
I guess it really might be just ubuntu issues then
Sucks that plenty of distros are based on it

>>722941667
Understand that Gaben is the reason why Windows is fit for gaming in the first place

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/167253-gabe-newell-made-windows-a-viable-gaming-platform-and-linux-is-next

why the fuck noita stutters on linux with the same hardware i used on win10 on this machine? wtf wtf

>>722942118
it's from a external drive

>>722943502
nVidia I assume?

>>722943617
no noita is depended on cpu, i have nvidia but other games run fine

>>722933208
Is having 16GB of ram in current year like having a 2 inch cock?

>>722921401
>Run bg3 in w10
>Stable 120+ fps even inside Lower City
>Install Mint, run bg3
>Struggle to even maintain 50 fps in the starting area
Yeah cya in 2 years maybe when you troonix fags figure it out

>>722944029
>calling anybody else a troon when you play BG3

>>722943337
Ubuntu is just Debian copied by a South African. The only reason anyone gives a shit about it is they were the first to try and advertise their version as newbie friendly, even though it wasn't any different from anything else on the market.

>>722943993
yes because every game is made intentionally badly in order to drive up RAM sales. i know its a schizo-tier conspiracy, but its the only reason i can think of.

>>722944107
Yeah the whitest south african ever

>>722944029
bg3 was made for win
games that are compatible with linux that don't need proton or wine run 120+ fps and smooth

>>722934429
None, instead it's a swarm of deranged trannies who are incapable of working in a team, so instead they fragment into more and more useless distros that are dropped or restarted a few years later.

>>722944029
Why do you lie? What do you get out of it? https://steamdeckhq.com/game-reviews/baldurs-gate-3/

>>722941798
Well, to be fair, he did include "view" in his description. So I have to assume he wants to look at his image files and watch his movies files, and not just their filenames.

Early Windows used to be exactly that; a library. You could organize your files it had programs that let you look at them. In fact, some programs even let you watch them at 2x or even 4x speed! Later, you could even attach speaker systems to your computers and you'd be able to listen to your music files. That was awesome.

Now?
>Log in
>Log in
>Unavailable: no internet connection
>Are you over 18?
>Please make an account!
>AD BREAK - Wait 15 seconds until you can SKIP
>Loading...
>Please visit our website to play your Best of Billy Joel collection
>Please rate our service for passing Level 1 of Solitaire!
>You must sign up to reach Level 10 and continue earning NUKE GAME EXP to spend on our streaming application
>You must download these 87 different updates and applications to use the Bluetooth equipped with your headphones
>This computer cannot recognize your USB drive, please respond to our webservice to report the error
Just let me listen to my mp3 files! Leave me alone!!

>>722939761
Just install gnome tweaks, enable minimize/maximize buttons, and then install the system tray adding. That's all you need to make tranny gnome usable. It's still the most simple and best DE

>>722944219
>intentionally badly
nah, it is the same as with more roads = more traffic
The more RAM you have, the more people there are who say “Why bother optimizing it? Modern PCs are powerful enough to handle it”

>>722944434
>games that are compatible with linux that don't need proton or wine run 120+ fps and smooth

That's a complete lie. When last I tried Linux I specifically installed a game that had a native Linux version (Pathfinder: Kingmaker). I did it specifically because I know the game back and front. Within 10 minutes I spotted two visual glitches and one bug I never had on Windows.

>>722943993
Yes I run comfyUI and easily use 32gb when using ram cache on my 16gb vram gpu.

>>722944219
It's not even a conspiracy theory at this point, it's a conspiracy fact. Same with VRAM requirements.

>>722944607
>Within 10 minutes I spotted two visual glitches and one bug I never had on Windows
i guess linux is just acting up because it's sentient

>>722944654
>Yes I run comfyUI and easily use 32gb when using ram cache on my 16gb vram gpu.
python was a mistake

>>722941753
Why can't Windows shills present any kind of argument without immediately undermining it with obviously made-up bullshit?
>having to do 5 keyboard "shortcuts" and opening terminal in order to open a browser with a youtube tab.
That's absolutely 100% not a thing that anyone has to do and there's no conceivable reason it would ever have to be done.

>>722943993
i 64gb of ram so i can open billion browser taps, it's only useful for browsers

>>722944679
Keep your sarcasm for someone who will appreciate it. Linux is a complete failure as a gaming platform. The best example is how a handful of people try to push it, day in and day out, on spammed threads on here.

Good products don't require that.

>>722944773
>Linux is a complete failure as a gaming platform.
that's MacOS though

>>722944757
Because Linux trannies do exactly the same thing, so your opponents just use the same tactics.

You are incapable of just openly admitting that Linux is meant for:
>running servers,
>a toy to tinker with,

>>722944865
MacOS was intentionally murdered as a gaming platform by its own creators. It wasn't incompetence, but indifference bordering on malice.

>>722944757
im not even a windows shill you fucking retarded vegan. i hate windows. i want to like linux but you insufferable smug fags do some of the worst job possible advertising yourselves. if you want to make people join your fold, make yourselves presentable to the average joe. if not, then fuck off.

Do people get this butthurt in /g/ threads?

>>722944607
Obviously it's possible for a developer to screw up their Linux port. What anon should have said is that it's possible for native games to run that well. Linus Torvalds did not force the Kingmaker devs to make a buggy port, not could he possibly force them to make a good one.

Linux will never gain market share because it refuses to be user friendly. The whole OS is a cobbled together Frankenstein of applications that need to be stitched together. Not one of you retards has come out with a distro that "just works"

>>722945072
the average /g/ user is autistic enough to have heavy preferences but intelligent enough to recognise people's differences
the average /v/ user has the autism but no intelligence so it's just hurr durr lintard hurr durr wincel

>>722944742
Yes kek, but that's due to model size and not python directly.

>>722944942
Okay but nobody needs a terminal to open a YouTube tab. I accept your concession.

>>722945136
Fedora

when can steamOS replace windows
i want to do everything i can do on windows, but without microsoft

>>722945136
>The whole OS is a cobbled together Frankenstein of applications
But enough about Windows LMAO
no but seriously, this entire sentence it just Windows too, they just build over the previous shit with very little care.

what's the difference between steamos and and mint?

>>722945383
It's coming soon especially with winboat. Once it has pcie pass through, the only reason to use windows will be games with anticheat. Everything else will run.

Has microsoft ever tried to sue the people making stuff like WINE?

>>722945585
they could only do that if WINE used their code or property it does not

>>722945436
SteamOS is based on Arch and designed with gaming in mind, while Mint is based on Debian for general use (including gaming). You can expect SteamOS to come with preinstalled packages that facilitate its intended use. Beyond that, the differences come down to Debian vs. Arch.

>>722945136
The problem with Linux is that because it is open source at its core, retards that want to make a name for themselves in the tech world can just copy an already existing distribution, change one thing, and call it their version of Linux. Other retards then argue over which of these retarded copies is better.

If you want an OS that is made by a competent software company and just works you get Fedora. If you want a system that you can tinker with and has good documentation, you get Arch.

Everything else is a meme.

>>722945436
SteamOS is Arch, but customized to the Steamdeck hardware. Mint is a meme copy of a meme copy of Debian Linux.

>>722945585
Multiple times. They have failed each time because "they aren't infringing on us but we really hate them" is not a valid grounds for damages.

>>722919469 (OP)
Who? What?

>>722937956
>>No text tool
nigga use sai2

>>722937416
>just use worse tool
every time, I love it

>>722945954
>>722945936
you both know GIMP has a text tool right?

I will not install troonix lmao

>>722934323
honestly we all just need to wait for Valve to get their Steam OS to standard, they will be the leading operating system when they figure out how to get anticheats to work.

>>722946041
GIMP is absolutely not for drawing

>>722936437
KDE my guy.

>>722946041
GIMP sucks ass, and this is coming from a Linux user, stop recommending this shit.

>>722946110
right
still has a text tool though

Bethesda games run like shit on Linux
although probably due to Novidya GPU

this is fucking weird, a game like noita runs like shit with slow motions, nothing to do with hardware, but graphically better looking games like barony, dusk or dark messiah run better than it on linux mint? i will go back to windows just for noita.

>>722946041
I swear to god GIMP is controlled opposition so everyone shits on open source alternatives. That shit is vile and it has to be bait when people suggest it. (and krita too lmao)

>>722946204
so does sai2

>>722946326
maybe try a different proton version first
always check protondb.com to see if you need to do some whacky shit for the game to run

>>722946326
cool, a noitafag, have you tried that multiplayer mod I heard about? is it good? I've been meaning to get a friend to play this and coop might do it

>>722946402
>32 bit program

>>722946421
not interested normalfag friendbitch

>move to linux
>just to install windows under the hood
Why? If it doesn't work with Wine I don't bother.

>>722941040
Sorry but I'm not using a distro called "Fedora". If they are such smart business men then they should have picked a better name.

>>722946329
What's wrong with Krita? for drawing at least, if someone is suggesting it as a 'photoshop alternative' then yes, they are retarded.

>>722946480
What did she mean by this?

>>722946329
Nah, not even a kritafaggot but at least people can tell it's a software meant for drawing despite it's shortcomings
GIMP sucks so much ass for art there's a reason why artists call it a meme. It's just not cut out for it
>>722946457
it's also 64bit

>>722946603
he thinks he's better than you because he has no friends? no clue

>>722919469 (OP)
>You got not excuse now to not switch to linux.

-00shutup++
-Chris Titus utility tool

Bye bye bloatware

>>722946480
yep, you're a linux user alright

>>722946951
you know an autounattend.xml can do all of this without some youtuber meme program right?

>>722946547
Anon I hate to tell you this but if a silly/cringy name is enough to convince you not to use something that is otherwise amazing than you are by definition an extremely low IQ individual who is easily swayed and manipulated by extremely superficial things.

>>722946983
>>722946603
>>722946707
normalnigger toursits

>>722941040
What about OpenSUSE, Devuan and Zorin?
It's what I've been recommended: https://distrochooser.de/en/d55550e9c31b/

>>722945759
>If you want an OS that is made by a competent software company and just works you get Fedora
This. The only thing you have to do is replace ffmpeg free with the one that has all the codecs.

>>722946547
The name predates the memes. Fedora is more than twenty years old at this point.

>>722947126
A good name is reflective of the type of person who chose it. Sorry your parents named you JaQuavius

>>722947403
Should've picked a better name for the joke cause that one's kinda cool

>>722947519
hint: he is a racist

>>722947298
If anything that just means the memes are accurate.
>We need a cool name. Something that portrays intelligence... I know, Fedora.

>>722947598
Yes, and?

>>722947659
thats why he thought that was a bad name

Eating a cheese stick rn, pepper jack or something like that. You guys like cheese sticks? Not really a fan of typical ones, I like cheddar or colby jack ones.

>>722947175
OpenSUSE is like Fedora/RHEL, but German.
Devuan is just another meme copy of Debian.
Zorin is a meme copy of a meme copy (Ubuntu) of Debian.

Seriously guys, just skim the Wikipedia articles. The first paragraph of the Devuan page shows how retarded the meme copies are.

>With the release of Debian 8, some developers and users felt alienated due to the project's adoption of systemd and subsequent removal of support for other existing init systems.[7] This decision prompted some Debian community members to start a fork of Debian without systemd.[8]

Devuan started as literally just Debian but published by someone that was butthurt about the bootloader changing for a new edition of Debian. All of the meme distros are like that.

>>722947298
It would have been bad if you picked any article of men's clothing.

Troonix will never be successful because it is made for NEETs and other social miscreants. When the answer to a question is "read the manual," you have lost.
I should not have to read a manual to know how to use each individual program on my PC. The trannies who make the OS make everything as obtuse as possible because they were also forced to waste their time so they want to waste yours.

>>722947865
I use arch btw

>>722947403
My parents named me Madison after the president anon. Dont project your ebonic naming conventions onto me.

>>722941753
Because they want to feel speshul in le sekrit club. It is not a serious OS

>>722947037
>autounattend.xml
If I knew what the fuck that was I probably would be more conformable daily driving Linux.

-00shutup++ can disable bloatware and save settings so if Microsoft resets it with an update you just import settings and it takes 10 second.
-Chris Titus utility tool deletes bloat but there's no guarantee it won't be reinstalled automatically on the next update.

>>722948270
why dont you google it? why do people not use google anymore?

>>722948004
If Linux came preinstalled, nobody would care. The barrier alone comes from just installing an OS.
>flashdrive?
>iso?
>reformat?
>BIOS? Boot menu?
>do I want to make a partition?
All of this is too complicated for people who don't want to read basic instructions.

Idk what causes this behavior specifically with computers but I'll have people ask me how to fix something when the error on screen literally says the problem.
>printer not connected
>ANON HELP US IDK WHAT THIS IS SAYING

This is the average person you are dealing with.

>>722948398
Also the fact that Linux software is so fragmented. There are 10+ media players and not a set of "use these applications" like Mac or Windows has.

>>722948479
>There are 10+ media players
>what do you mean i have choices?
>what do you mean i can think for myself and pick the best option for my specific use cases
>ahhhh help me niggerman thinking is too hard I want you to do it for me
How is this even an argument. More choice is ALWAYS good unless you are a literal fucking npc.

>>722948479
Most of them come preinstalled with a basic media player.

>>722948398
The issue is using it not installing it. It is like a full time job to constantly be working around all of its problems and looking shit up.
I get it for what it is: a hobby. But its not an OS a normal person can use for an extended period of time. You should be able to forget the OS is there, and maybe you could if all you did was browse the internet, but for the majority of people who use their PCs for a lot of stuff it just isn't good enough. It is a gatekept hobby. Nothing more.

>>722948663
How does it feel to be functionally retarded anon?

>>722948398
>>printer not connected
>>ANON HELP US IDK WHAT THIS IS SAYING
>This is the average person you are dealing with.
I work with Registered Nurses at your medical professional health center, taking care of your mortally wounded and otherwise life-threatened family.

This is EXTREMELY accurate.
NO ONE, when I'm making my rounds, knows how to address a mechanical error. Not even when using their charting applications to schedule your lifestats. Taking vitals? I hope the machine functions, because the chances they know how to read your heartrate or blood pressure using analog devices is LOW.

Digital-era was NOT meant publi use.

>>722948719
How does it feel to be a terminal coper anon?

>>722948479
The ironic part is, those choices used to be common on Windows as well but Microsoft and Google have most people so well trained now that they use nothing but whatever can preinstalled on their PC or phone and never even question if there are better options.

No one used to use Media Player for MP3s, they would download and install something like Winamp. Now, putting that much effort in is absolutely frightening to people, judging by this thread.

>>722948801
I wouldnt know anon, but deflecting my question isnt going to save you from the fact that you struggle so much with extremely basic technology.

>>722942036
there's a reason it died once already

>>722948479
You use the default programs on Windows? Like Edge and Notepad and Windows Media Player??
First of all, that's either lies or faggotry.
Second of all, literally every distro that you don't build yourself has default programs.

>>722948398
>The barrier alone comes from just installing an OS.
The barrier mostly comes from the fact that you have learn a bunch of things to make the switch with there being practically no incentive to learn any of that for most people. At the point where you've installed Linux it'd be faster to reinstall Windows than to learn all the ins and outs of trying to make the shit that works out of the box on Windows also work on Linux.

>>722948551
Most people don't give a shit they just want what werks. With 10+ choices and half being unmaintained, there's breakage and glitches.

>troonix users wasting hours of their day just to do the same shit windows users do with one click
>you need x and y just to do z
>when you can just do z natively on windows
troonix users never cease to amaze me.

>>722934823
Except I have done exactly that. If you're employed, Linux is only free if you don't value your time. Also lmao @ at the subscription model doom posting. You'll be able to pirate it like everything else.

>>722948839
lol lmao even.
I went through my linux phase long ago. I had a custom arch install that I did manually even though they added the installer. I had my list of autistic program preferences I would always install. I riced my window manager, knew all the flaws of various implentations of features that just werk on windows and memorized all the various niche workarounds, and wasted time learning lua just so I could configure neovim. I even fucked around with nixos. Eventually I got sick of it all and just wanted to play games and not think about it.
Troonix is a hobby OS. Always has been and always will be.

>>722948859
I swear I'm gonna have to make it my catchphrase or something. "It's bad because it's fucking bad".
Having lootboxes has nothing to do with it. The combat and story are average at best, the idiotic time gating locks out huge portions of the buildcrafting for days to weeks, and the portions we do have look almost strictly linear. As it is, it doesn't seem like it offers much that existing MMOs don't already, but again the time gating makes it look like it has even less than it actually does.

>>722949107
>Linux is free if you don't value your time
Says retards who have never used Linux.

>>722949045
Why do people just assume it takes more steps to do X on Linux? In my experience everything has been faster. Want to install something? 'sudo install X'. Wow, done. On Windows? Uh let me google a link, hope it's not malware, download the exe, and wait to click on each pop up.

>>722948871
The worst part is, if you install a version of Linux that uses KDE as the interface, it is 99% the same as Windows and the few parts that are not are easily understandable if you can read at a third grade level.

I don't even have a Linux system right now, but I have in the past. The first time I tried to install Linux, I had the computer working in a few hours and had no problems using it on a daily basis. There was no real learning curve at all.

The problem is, I'm not the average user. I'm 42 and grew up having to constantly fuck with Windows to get games to work. Any modern Linux variant is so much better than Windows was in the 90s and 00s, but modern retards have become so accustomed to computers and phones not letting them break anything that the moment the computer does not react exactly how they expect it to, they freak the fuck out and can't handle it.

That is who is in this thread crying about how Linux doesn't work; retards that grew up on iPads. They don't actually know how to use a computer, they just know how to click the shiny button and make sparkles appear on the screen.

>>722946951
The other guy is retarded, these things are a lot easier and all you need to make windows usable. Run them a couple times and theres zero reason to ever touch linux lmao

>>722935409
>proton runs so well its almost pointless
Some kernel level anticheats work in a VM but not in proton and vice versa. HDR works better in Windows. Online functionality for games with anticheat is generally less of a gamble with a windows VM than proton. Modding is astronomically easier (and in some cases only possible on) windows. Using non-steam launchers is much easier on windows. Vulkan is not a 1:1 substitute for all dx games. I use both a vm and proton and each has its uses. In general, I default to my VM because it's less troubleshooting (******for individual games*****) on average.

>>722949346
>responding to bait

>>722949467
>Modding is astronomically easier (and in some cases only possible on) windows.
while this is true, vortex mod manager is working on their native linux application and in its current alpha phase it already supports cyberpunk 2077 and and stardew valley. Mod Organizer 2 also works with linux. I have managed to get reloaded-II working with wine.

You are right that modding is much easier on windows, theres no mistake about that, but thats because most of the modding tools and applications are windows applications. It has nothing to do with linux as an operating system.

>>722948820
At this point I'm convinced the average PC user on this board never touches anything except Web Browser and Steam. I used to use Linux but I've been using Windows 10 for a few years, and honestly the amount of problem solving and fiddling I have to do to make downloaded programs or hardware like controllers work is about the same.

>>722919469 (OP)
Why would I change if I still end up with windows but shittier?

>linux is easy b-bro
Windows users can disable login screen ads in three clicks. How long is the console command to do THAT in linux?

>>722949706
Its a mix of what you said as well as people on 4chan just being extremely fucking disingenous when it comes to arguing about things. The most blatant of retarded strawman arguments all the time.

>>722949758
0 characters?
there's no ads

>>722949848
I assume that was the joke anon

>>722949910
dang you got me...

>>722949376
>The first time I tried to install Linux, I had the computer working in a few hours
Yeah exactly, nobody wants to go through a few hours of doing that shit if they already have a working computer with Windows on it. There's no reason for most people to make that switch.

>>722949960
>wahhhhhhhh if i have to put any effort into something i wont do it wahhh
Ok anon literally no one but you suffers from your laziness.

>>722949408
The sharty are trannies that save CP though

whats the point in linux? privacy?
i've made my w11 pretty bare-bones with various third party tools now, whats the point

>>722950027
A few hours of effort to what end? If Linux was way better than Windows people would gladly put in that effort.

>>722949706
>>722949774
Yeah, this is 4chan, and /v/, so we not only have the ironic retards here, we have the actual retards that can't function anywhere in the real world. Modern Linux is easy to use compared to 99% of everything in computing history, but modern Windows is specially designed to cater to complete retards.

>>722949960
Anon, before iPads proved to the tech companies that retards would buy computers if you made them shiny enough and put training wheels on them, that was a normal start up process for a brand new, out of the box, computer. If that is too much for you, you're the retard they're dumbing shit down for.

And the entire reason I installed Linux was my brand new Windows 11 laptop crashed so hard the first time I tried to run a game, it actually uninstalled the video card driver. Is that what you call "easy to use"?

>>722949758
sed -i '^#\?AutomaticLoginEnable* AutomaticLoginEnable = True' /etc/gdm3/custom.conf && sed -i '^#\?AutomaticLogin* AutomaticLogin = $(whoami)' /etc/gdm3/custom.conf

I mean, there's a menu for it, but you CAN do it in one line if you want.

>>722950194
Privacy, not having to deal with bullshit like ads, freedom to do what you want with your own machine. Extreme customization. Not having to constantly fight against your operating system because it views you as a product to extract information from.

If that doesnt interest you then you dont need it.

>>722950194
oh yeah?
download wireshark and see how often it calls home

>>722950329
>people would gladly put in that effort.
Lots of people DO put in that effort anon. The fact that YOU personally dont want to or dont see the benefit doesnt mean that those other people dont exist. Do you just not have theory of mind? You are not other people.

what exactly is the difference between proton and proton GE?

>>722950194
Realistically, for most people there is no benefit between different OSs. If you are capable of asking that question and actually understanding what tweaks you did and why, you would find Linux easy.

So then it becomes a choice of do you continue to fight with Microsoft over control of your computer, or do you just bite the bullet and learn something new? Both options take effort on your part but it is up to you to decide which is better.

>>722950194
W11 is designed to spy on you and you will never remove all the spying or intentional backdoors/vulnerabilities unless the source code leaks online (Allah willing)

>>722950447
Proton GE (glorious egroll) is a custom fork of proton maintained by I think 1 dude that typically works better on newer games before other versions of proton.
https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/proton-ge-custom

>>722921401
Every time Linux users open the little terminal to show off their version, they're showing off their cute little panties with bows on them. Sometimes it's basically like a femboy showing you their little (undoubtedly caged) bulge. Kind of cute.

>>722950608
ok do me

>>722946041
Can you shut up about GIMP already

>>722950343
>that was a normal start up process for a brand new, out of the box, computer.
And? It was normal then so people should put up with it now? You realize how retarded this argument is right?
>>722950438
>Lots of people DO put in that effort anon.
Very few of them. I've put in that effort, you don't know me.

>>722950608
what

>>722950739
>Very few of them
So what? Most people on this planet are kind of morons. The popularity of something is completely unrelated to its quality.

>>722950541
>>722950368
Never understood this cause i fight with linux far more than i ever have with windows lmao

>>722950739
It wasn't an argument. It was a statement. I don't argue with retards.

>>722950846
Then figure out what you're doing wrong. You aren't using one of the meme distros, are you?

>>722950935
Probably
Like i tried endeavouros cause its easy but it does this autistic bullshit with using pip to install things where i have to make a venv or use pipx and its annoying and gay. On fedora i literally just type pip install and it installs. Fedora has its own weird bugs so i cant fully commit to it like i want to but im tired of fighting against bullshit like that in linux. Windows is better

>>722937737
has epic given away any denuvo games besides deathloop?

>>722951205
EndeavourOS is meme Arch, which basically means it is just an installer and a visual theme. If you don't want to dick with your computer it is the wrong distro for you.

Fedora is an actual complete OS. If you are not trying to do something that requires custom tweaking like GPU switching on a gaming laptop it should "just work" as much as Windows, you just have to learn the differences.

>>722951205
>Fedora has its own weird bugs
like what?
The only bug ive come across with fedora has to do with unmounting drives.

>>722951205
Try fedora

>>722949672
Most of the time it has to do with the file structure for proton games compared to windows game. There's no drag and drop for mod files in proton. Again, it's all well and good some big titles have work arounds but there will never be 1:1 functionality. Perfect example, I want to play Homeworld Remastered Collection on proton. I own the game on GOG because it was cheaper, more stable than the steam version, and most of the best mods are not on steam workshop. I cannot apply the final patch of that game. I cannot play that game without CTD between each mission. Neither of these issues will likely ever be resolved in a wine environment method of playing these games on linux and there are thousands of games like this that don't have the playerbase size and functionality concern that Cyberpunk 2077. Just use proton is not and will not be a ubiquitous answer for all windows games.

>>722943993
I feel like you really have to go out of your way to only have 16GB now.

>>722951646
>will not be a ubiquitous answer for all windows games.
I never said it was. But proton DOES work for most games and protondb is proof of that.

>>722950803
>The popularity of something is completely unrelated to its quality.
It's not. Quality or differences quality can greatly affect somethings popularity. The quality difference between Linux and Windows is not large enough for most people to make that switch.
>>722950865
You don't even know English.

>>722951646
So to be clear, your example of Linux not working for games is a game that shipped broken, and is just as broken in Windows if you do not manually apply a fan made patch, something that the majority of players would not and will not ever do?

>>722951969
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

>>722952052
I'm simply explaining to you why it is so unpopular. I'm not using its lack of popularity as an argument.

>>722952196
>I'm not using its lack of popularity as an argument.
> Quality or differences quality can greatly affect somethings popularity
Actual retard

>>722952229
Yeah, it can. What argument do you imagine I'm making there.