Thread 722933676

10 years later, every single soulslike released after this is a straight line boss rush from start to end
why?

>>722933676 (OP)
To be honest I enjoyed Bloodborne but yeah I agree with you, Ds2 is still the only souls with actual challenging areas rather than just skipping every enemy.

I replayed it recently and my eyes have literally been opened to how much this game did right and people shat on it.

>made titante and upgrade materials way more abundant so you could freely upgrade weapons
>random invasions in areas
>plenty of covenants with side content and hidden bossts
>boss fights where you could modify the arena in some way before even getting to the fight
>pursuer mini boss throughout the game
>branching open world so you can play it in a different order each time or head straight for different weapons

Literally the only bad thing is soul memory. I honestly think DS2 is the best in the series only actual retards hate this game. DS3 and Elden Ring were significantly worse, esspecially elden ring which is fucking garbage by contrast.

>Souls community when they die a hundred times to a boss and repeat it for hours to press the dodge button better than last time
>"oh my god best boss evar hahaha top 10 hardest Dark SOuls bosses wahooo!
>Souls community when they get blocked by a fog wall and die 2 times in a level
>"dude wtf artificial difficulty muh enemy placement rababababerbab"
Absolute retard fanbase

These games deserve to be shat on and should be lessons to devs on what not to do in a video game.

>>722933676 (OP)
>a straight line boss rush from start to end
You retards never stop whining about how Elden Ring is the exact opposite of a straight line boss rush.

>>722935276
The great thing too about the freedom to experiment with your arsenal is how viable mostly everything is in both PVE and PVP.

The game had its patches where balance was all over the place but by the end it ended up in a pretty good spot IMO.

I don't get how anyone enjoys this crap let alone the whole series sprung from it. They're shallow games with lore lazily thrown around in toilet paper items to collect that say fuck all. The graphics absolutely decimates the artstyle since it's going for realismslop which hurts to look at after an hour. They haven't figured out how to do npcs for a rpg which was done 20 fucking years ago. These games are so shit that most AAA and indies mog it.

>>722935889
Because I enjoy picking up different weapons making a stronger build and wearing nice looking armor and adjusting my stats to optimize it. It's literally that simple.

>>722933676 (OP)
Cathdral Ward in Bloodborne had a few branching paths. It also has better designed levels overall.

>>722933676 (OP)
>every souls game that isn't dark souls 2
>8 minute area walkthrough (killing everything)
>4 minute boss fight (undergeared)

>dark souls 2
>40 minute area walkthrough (don't kill everything = die and restart)
>2 minute boss fight (enemy hits you three times = die and restart)

>>722935998
You can do that in 1000 other rpgs and action games too. You just chose this overrated empty game for public validation rather than quality of the experience itself.

>>722936148
Yes I also play other RPGs too, just because I play DS2 or DS in general doesn't mean I don't also enjoy other games?

>>722936148
The first few games are fun my guy don't need to be a dick about it

>>722936148
>You can do that in 1000 other rpgs
name 10

>>722936206
>>722936250
You faggots enable lazy devs like Fromsoft and stunt progress to video games. It's disgusting how regressive these games are in terms of technicality, art, story, and gameplay. You should learn to stay away from them and play better games.

>>722936379
I don't enabled it, I said in my post DS3 and Elden Ring were shit.

>ds2 hater
>tried to run past everything
>forgot the game had anti-run-past-everything-technology
>"I will seethe for 11 years"
>ds2 enjoyer
>patiently played each stage dismantling each gank one by one using nothing but stamina management and positioning
>"series has been in decline ever since"

>>722936379
I literally just care about the combat and dark fantasy also I enjoyed them till Bloodborne since new releases are just fan service, but to a degree I agree with you the way the story is told is shit and lots of copycat nowdays

>>722936323
Path of Exile
Cyberpunk 2077
Baldur's Gate 2-3
Dragon's Dogma
The Witcher 3
Fallout 1
Divinity Original Sin
Gothic 1
Guild Wars 2
Diablo 2
Kingdom Come Deliverance

Artstyle and gameplay would be 100 times better if frame pacing and graphics weren't so shit in these games.

>>722936751
>you must only like one game

>>722933676 (OP)
I just like Vendrick, Aldia, and Herald compared to the nostalgia-bait 3 is.

>>722936659
The combat is shit and unresponsive sometimes especially in Bloodborne since Fromsoft just keep the technical issues and never improve them at all. In games like bamham you have more fluid action and animations to keep you satisfied whereas soulsborne it's fucking frustrating to move the character around most of the time where half the shit you press doesn't translate well onto the screen because of inferior tech.

>>722936751
Holy sloppa

>>722937090
Yeah those are valid point I could why these games are not enjoyable to some

>>722936751
None of them have combat nor exploration as enjoyable as Soulsborne. Try again retardo

>>722937171
To be fair most of these have better qualities as games than all Fromsoft games.

I recently played through DS1, DS2 (again) and DS3

2 is far and above the best of the trilogy. With 1 being utter dog shit. 3 becomes roll slop that was too inspired by Bloodborne

>>722937448
They have better input reading and satisfying worlds than any soulsborne. Yes they do have more enjoyable combat and exploration if you have taste and a sense of adventure.

These games are good for one or two entries then you see how old they get as time goes on. They just fall back to their lazy tactics and never change much leaving you with no much else to care about them.

>>722935276
>>made titante and upgrade materials way more abundant so you could freely upgrade weapons
its related to how the enemy encounters are in DS2 compared to other games too
It actually wants you to invest in a more vast arsenal, experiment with more tools, and utilize things that are considered meme tier in other souls games like crossbows, basic throwables, etc to a much greater extent

>>722935889
It's the current FoTM. Youtubers started it as it's an easy way to get some views and then a handful of drones and contrarians (/v/ trolls per usual) jump on it. The game overall is bad and is by far From's worst modern release.

>>722936751
How is the combat system of these games in any way comparable ? Also you play games like Witcher 3, Fallout etc. for the story.

>makes the same games over and over
>nothing original nor unique
>puts toilet paper pieces across the world thinking it's a substitute for story telling
>narratives and stories don't exist
>npcs are static teleporting 1 dimensional things with no personality nor charisma to keep the player entertained
>shit runs at dinosaurs per a second making gameplay miserable
>graphics are stuck many generations behind and make environments ugly to look at
Why do so many people give them a free pass? If any developer even another Jap one stoop this low, they'll get crucified.

>>722933676 (OP)
Nah, only Elden Shit
Nice try tho

>>722938564
This is all categorically false

>>722938564
>npcs are static
DS2 is the worst for this. The blacksmith and his daughter end up ~10m away from eachother, wondering where the other is, but it never changes. They never 'meet' despite being so close, and they never move from either spot (barring the daughter the first time you meet her near earthen peak and then she comes to town). It's incredibly amusing and sad how bad and lazy DS2 is. And yes I am aware every pre-ER From game got rushed and fucked during development, but somehow DS2 manages to be the worst by far.

>>722935276
People always being up shit like power standing, bonfire aesthetics and NG+ changed and while those are cool they aren’t as impactful as having unique covenants. Why the fuck did the other games no iterate on it? Especially the rat one that was a genius idea.

>>722935276
Soul memory is one of the things that helps the games longevity. Every other DS you play 1+ year after release and you're getting ganked by a lvl1 in full endgame gear the first third of the game

>>722938854
In dark souls 3 the invasions are gated behind weapon upgrade brackets you cannot get invaded at level one by someone with a weapon upgraded beyond level 3 similar with remastered.

>>722935646
>be souls community
>after like ten games, could still be killed by a hit through a wall that should be solid
>'it's ok, it's fromsoftware trademark'

>>722938647
Most of if not all is true. You just have to accept that they're shit and never good and move on.

>>722938816
Company of Champions and the silly bellringer covenant as well. Just some really specific and really different covenants that don't really have parallels.

I also realize that DS2 is the /only/ one of these games that rewards you clearing a no-death run and also a no-bonfire run.

>>722938726
He acknowledges that she's there when she comes to Majulah

>blacksmith locked out of his shop
>get the key and unlock it for him
>calls you useless and to not waste his time
DS2 NPCs...as dumb as those who champion the game.

>>722938942
OK, +3 endgame sword. Point still stands

>>722938726
Man I was just playing it and they acknowledge each other being nearby. Fuck a handful of NPCs have extra dialogue relating to new NPCs arriving in Majula.

You're a liar. A great big liar. You don't need to lie for attention there's other ways to get that.

>>722938995
>be souls community
>after like ten games, could still be killed by a hit through a wall that should be solid
>'Stuff like this is exactly why DS2 is the worst souls game'

>>722938726
He recognizes her, and she doesnt recognizes him because hes hollow.
I think theyre just both too obsessed with their work to care

>>722939232
What did he mean by this.

>>722937463
Nah

>>722937605
Nope

>>722939050
From games mog your favorite dogshit slop

>>722939050
Its really not, but I get that its fun to be reductive when baiting

>>722938564
i agree with almost everything. but you must admit FS games have the highest replayability in the industry

Which game has the best Caestus experience?

>>722939162
>asks you to not waste his time after you talk to him without using his services, having wasted his time
>Anon, pocketing a maximum 8 INT, is offended and cries on /v/

>>722936379
What games do you think should have the popularity and success of Souls games? Cmon anon, dont dodge the question.

>>722939515
>can't read
>cheery-picks a very short post
And what are you, 1 INT?

>>722938995
DS2, literally the only one where this doesn't happen. Or slipping off janky terrain.

>>722939491
2, like everything else in this series

>>722939581
Not only does he not call you useless, but you are literally describing wasting someone's time. He doesn't say that if you buy something.
>I'll be around, if you make it back

>>722939516
>>722936751
So pathetic keeeeeeek

>>722939334
Once you've been around long enough in the community you'll understand. "muh hitboxes" is another example.

>>722939450
Not him but I kind-of disagree. The only water this holds is how games these days (hell, for the past 10-20 years) are designed to not be replayed. So compared to typical AAA, sure, but that's such a low bar it's not worth mentioning.
>>722939691
>fails to read 1st and 2nd line

>>722939781
All Souls games have examples of good and bad hitboxes, though. And bearing in mind there's far more to the games than only hitboxes. You know you can run software to show you live hitboxes, right?
>>722939808
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/1LCaXIkZjaysNp2g4mxYgQ/
He's a rage-farmer (these threads always have them), as if the text alone isn't obvious. Filter and move on.

>>722939808
Yeah, you opened Leningrast's shop. I'm not criticizing you for explaining opening a door and an NPC going to work in there. I'm criticizing you for being a retard and taking offense to him telling you not to waste his time when you walk up to his shop and don't use his services. Are you expecting him to fall to his knees and praise your immeasurable greatness for finding the key to his mud hut?

>>722939924
>He's a rage-farmer (these threads always have them), as if the text alone isn't obvious. Filter and move on.
I've posted that one image four times between five months and you think I'm a farmer because you're too retarded to understand why you're retarded? Jesus fuck.

>>722939924
>All Souls games have examples of good and bad hitboxes
Yes, and DS2 uniquely gets shit on for them as if it's a notable exception despite largely being more accurate than DS1 and DS3. People still to this day whine about the Pursuer grab attack as if that's not how they function in every single Fromsoftware game, including the golden calves that are Elden Ring and Bloodborne.

>>722940292
The hitbox shit is at least partially be explained due to agility (iframe scaling) which is poorly done (doesn't explain or show you at all in-game, which is a colossal fuck-up and no-no). But blaming hitboxes is dumb but I can see why people default to this as their reasoning. And I've never had an issue with grab attacks but across all From games with grabs they do commonly look dumb, such as you teleporting backwards like the game has huge desync. I don't know if being connected online is relevant to it, as I said, never had issues with grab attacks but again to repeat: they commonly (when I watch gameplay of it) do look objectively, really bad if/when the player is caught.

goddamn

>>722940502
>The hitbox shit is at least partially be explained due to agility
No, it isn't. It's just people not understanding the game mechanics and blaming the game for their lack of knowledge, it's the workman blaming his tools.

>(doesn't explain or show you at all in-game, which is a colossal fuck-up and no-no)
The ingame description is "Boosts ease of evasion and other actions." You could argue maybe that's a little too vague, but it definitely tells you that it affects how easy rolls will be and in my opinion is no more vague than other descriptions which never tell you what the stats actually do in total either. I'm pretty sure the game never directly tells you that equip load brackets determine roll distance either, but still the player has no issue working that out eventually.

>grabs they do commonly look dumb
The point of bringing up grab attacks here is because people always single out DS2 for them specifically, Pursuer's stab grab being a common example, when as you said they're universally garbage attacks.

>>722941384
>took this long to reply
>wall of typical disingenuous masturbatory nonsense
Do not ever wonder why people don't like you fags. DS2 has been beaten to death since its release. Stop wondering what is wrong with it or what people don't like. Has been answered thousands of times before. Worthless cocksuckers every time.
>actually attempting to justify agility
Insane.

Also,
>no it isn't, it's people not understanding game mechanics!
t. doesn't understand how hitboxes work
Just amazing.

>>722938854
Skill issue.

>>722941562
Very ESL post, how embarrassing.

>>722936996
kek

>>722941184
the one thing i like about ds2 is you can actually panic roll away from enemies

in ds3 every boss fight is just a rhythm game where you learn how to time your i-frames and you absolutely HAVE to roll INTO every boss. if you ever dare to attempt a roll away from a boss, you get insta-punished. every DS3 boss has a 100 foot lunge attack at the speed of sound, the game reads your inputs the attosecond you try to roll away from a boss and the boss just rapes you to death.

it would be fine for one or two bosses but literally EVERY DS3 BOSS is just learning the gay rhythm game i-frame abuse. i gave up at the end of an SL1 run in DS3 because it was clear there was no strategy required, just rote memorization of when to roll into the boss

cant wait for ds2 seamless to come out

>>722942070
I almost always skip to Oceiros by killing Emma and the Dancer so I can nab MLGS and the Prisoner's Chain early

I find all of this true for Elden Ring but not DS3, the sequence breaking only really gives me problems between my low stamina for trying way too early and Oceiros second phase sometimes doing a tard-rush forward that deals an insane amount of damage if it connects (I raise my shield if I'm at his face, a guard break is much more preferable to guaranteed death)

DS3 is much closer to DS1 and 2 than it is Elden Ring

I like dark souls 2 more than most, but there are two flaws with what you are saying:

>implying dark souls 2 and bloodborne aren’t on equal levels of linearity
>implying dark souls 2’s world structure compares to dark souls 1’s metroidvenia-styled world.
I largely agree with you, however. I hate what soulslikes have become up to this point.

>>722937589
I’m not sure redditors would even fall for this bait.

All you faggots had to do was carry a shortbox as a sidearm and like 200 arrows.
Spend an extra 2 minutes in Iron Keep tagging a few archers and this whole mess could have been avoided.
50 lightning arrows dumpsters Shrine of Amana, and you homos still somehow lose.

Boss rush shitters running fog wall to fog wall.

>>722942398
i enjoyed DS3, it is very polished mechanically. however i really disagree with the balance philosophy. i got an SL1 run to the king of cinders and the twin demons

i uninstalled the game after like a dozen hours trying to beat either boss at SL1, it was obviously doable but there was ONE STRATEGY. there are no alternatives, its just learning to time your rolls.

Dark souls should be able being able to do many different strategies, thats the whole appeal of the game. the stat and weapon systems. but its all a lie in DS3, your ability to kill bosses is 100% dependent on timing rolls, and you dont even get to pick the direction of the rolls. you always have to roll into the boss. its gay and AIDS

>>722942981
if any boss runs give you trouble in DS2 the cool thing is you can just kill the mobs 12 times in a row and they never respawn (until you light a bonfire ascetic)

its tedious but its at least a way out

>>722943061
I remember that pissing me off really bad while farming some specific weapons and armors

>>722939586
>Or slipping off janky terrain.
Bold of you to assume no one has ever been to Blighttown.
You DS2 haters are radical dude. You all just sort of hope no one has ever actually played it or the other games in order to sell your complaints.

>>722943197
and yet you can enable spawns past 10 by just joining the covenant of champions and leaving it when you had enough...

>>722943323
Are you a bot?

>>722941909
>getting invaded by someone with way better equipment than you is a skill issue
Do invaderfags really?

>>722938726
Not to mention Lenigrast somehow managed to get locked out of his shop, whose key was found in the Forest by Melentia (no indication of her having locked him out) and he can't get in because a giant waist-height window is too much for him to climb over.