Thread 722933952

How is the demo treating you?

need paizuri ghost gf

What's the gimmick on this map? I end up with 7/10 resources for the third one.

>>722933952 (OP)
the demo is great
what does necromancy power do?

>>722934367
raise skellingtons

>>722934172
upgrade hero, his abilities. Give u plus gems, better trades etc. Press number under portarait

>>722934585
when you win a battle?

>>722934645
yes
youll notice small icons appear briefly on top of your hero like +1(skeleton icon)

>>722934615
Not him, but thanks, I've looked everywhere, didn't know the number is a separate button.

>>722934717
oh ok then, thanks

>>722933952 (OP)
Why do the necromancers have vampires as their ultimate unit? What happened to the bone/ghost dragons?

>>722933952 (OP)
it looks like a mobile game. im not playing that shit

>1999
>work for two years, make full game, release it
>2026
>work for 3 years, make half the game, with bigger team and money, release it in Early Access
how is this possible? idgi

>>722933952 (OP)
I found a lot of inaccessible items or even buildings, not how why there was so much oversight.

>>722934973
u look like a mobile game. i'm not reading ur shitposts

>>722934973
mobile games look like strategy games, not the other way around. because they always have city builder stuff tacked on.

>>722934937
Why not, bone dragons are a meme

>>722933952 (OP)
Do laws seem wildly imbalanced to anyone else? Necro and Dungeon pretty much can ignore the board when they get enough laws.

>>722933952 (OP)
>How is the demo treating you?
Good, exploring dungeon. But I've discovered that despite wanting to do one more turn like in good old days, I'm too tired and old now, so guess I'll go to bed.

>>722934978
A patch tweaked time balance some years ago. I can't say I like the change.

>>722933952 (OP)
this game looks and sounds very low quality, poojeet game avoid at all costs

Very dissapointed in visual artstyle.

>>722934937
Yeah, I'm not fan of that. Vampires should never be top Undead unit

>>722934937
because the vampire ability was so fucking busted that vampire lords gave necro an even better unit than their tier 7 in homm3 so rather than balance the ability they just moved vamps to the end of the tech tree.

>>722934615
Nothing about the UI screamed "hero is ready to upgrade" at me. Thanks.

looks like a piece of shit money grab
there is not a singular reason to play this over 3 or even 5
do a 2d art for each unit buildings and such and make ui that is not a facebook game and it might not look like a total piece of shit that it is cause it most certainly does not look like might and cock game

>>722937783
the idea that they havent even bothered to make an UI scale slider is enough for me to not play this shit

>>722937329
it's like homm3

>>722933952 (OP)
Not a fan of the WoWesque aesthetics or the portraits

Gentlemen- nay, heroes! I have n announcement:

FUCK alchemical dust.
That would be all.

Is there anywhere I can look at slutweaver model closer?

so...is the game OK? i miss a new heroes, last one i played was 7

>>722938714
Id say its pretty fucking trash, just dl the demo and get into a fight, you will instantly tell the game is low quality

Some of the unit sidegrades are dog shit to the point of being actual downgrades

>>722938835
Some upgrades are definitely better than others, sure. But outright downgrades? Come on man.

>>722938773
no it's not fuck off pajeet

>>722939070
Crossbowman's secondary uprgade for example is abysmal

>>722938714
The game sounds like ass, looks meh but plays well

>>722939297
>>722938773
sounds fixable with patches..i will wait

>>722939081
youre a fucking thirdworlder that cant tell a game is shit

Finished my first classic skirmish game with dungeon 150% impossible difficulty.
I gotta say the hardest fight so far was a mirage/mirror fight for the grail.
Classic black dragon+armaggedon saves the day(although at that point I had basically won)

AI was not hard to outcreep, will try the 200% difficulty next but I gotta say dungeon is pretty strong even as a magic focused hero these new stance mechanics boost stats I was lacking you have magic+stances to boost the stats you're lacking like defense and attack which means you can just focus on magic instead of might with very few downsides compared to other factions.

Although stance mechanics for dungeon is weird coming from HoMM 5-6-7 where the focus was elsewhere. Still its not bad I guess just less unique.

>>722941332
>youre
>cant
Yeap, it's a jeet

Why should I play this over 3/4/5?

>>722934978
>how is this possible? idgi
half of the teams are usually comprised of consultants and middle managers now and all they fucking do is just tell you "no you can't do it that way"

>>722942164
It has new mechanics.

>Olden Era is decent, could finally be a worthy addition to the series if they polish it up more
>HotA just released a Bulwark campaign teaser, probably revealing something at the turn of the year as usual
WE ARE EATING GOOD HEROESCHADS LET NONE TELL YOU OTHERWISE

>make sexo female models
>don't let player zoom in on the battlefield
>don't let player zoom on unit overview screen
Sasuga slavshitters

>take Avatar summon 3 perk where you get double summons
>suddenly all Shoth summons create 0 summons instead
thanks ubisoft

>>722942257
Its undercooked right now, development began ages ago so I don't know if I can trust the team to finish the job

>>722942372
wish the game looked like this

>>722934937
Undead dragons suck ass

I donno, it's quite hard for me to distinguish stuff in the world map. They need to make clickable stuff stand out way more.
And donno, makes my computer freeze up if I alt tab a lot, and I have a high end PC.

>>722942787
With those gross soft shadows?

>>722934973
I see retards parroting this shit, what does this exactly mean?

>>722941738
Oh and these things help a lot.
Magic>might all the way.

>>722942902
yeah I like it, looks like a diorama

>>722934978
games have 5 times as many pixels now
= 5x more work.

>>722942887
you can hold alt to highlight stuff you can interact and there's an option to highlight stuff when you hover which should be turned on by default
changing the color profile to contrast also helps, but I completely agree, it's hard to know differentiate sometimes

the UI is unintuitive and hard to read to the point where it makes me angry, I'm not going to bother anymore
>>722942979
WoWesque graphics that all fantasy mobile games use

>>722933952 (OP)
Skipped the tutorial, how do I pick a hero in a city? I can't figure out how to move him out.

>>722943335
drag him to the bottom or click the arrow button

>>722943335
just drag his portrait down.

the squid faction tier 7 can turn the rest of their creatures into more tier sevens by using its special ability on their corpses, necromancy does nothing by comparison.

>>722942372
BTW Bullwark, Factory and Forge will be added to board game

>>722934937
> What happened to the bone/ghost dragons?
Tier 8

>>722943423
Oh.

>>722942372
Bulwark is a shit fanfic faction like Cove HOTA would be better if you could turn them off

>>722943576
How do you get t8 units?

Pic related exists and mogs this shit on every level.

>>722943727
Currently merc camps and good luck. I imagine at release there'll be a heavily defended dwelling for them.

Does alt-tabbing only fuck up the performance for me or anyone else?

>>722943692
You can turn them off by playing SoD

>>722943820
they are very different games

>>722943889
not a problem for me and I played for 7 hours straight yesterday

Im doing a 130 or 150 now, in a big map. I ended up creeping for so long taking bad fights because I couldnt find my opponents part of the map, when I did he steamrolled me due to having x3 the units since he barely crept lol

>>722943820
HoMM is not 4x, they play very differently

A lot of mechanics feel like direct answers to standing issues HoMM 3 and 5 had. Cheese with 1 unit stacks? AI doesn't care about them anymore. Repeat spells in magic guilds are a waste? Now they turn into spell upgrades. Useless artifacts? Just disenchant them to upgrade others. Silly to split a caster stack like Ogre Magi to get 2x bloodlust with the same effectiveness? Focus bar now limits this but at the same time more units have active abilities. Racials in HoMMV didn't really work with other races? Now more of them do. Skill wheel was incomprehensible? Now skills can be improved by picking skill combos but they're not gating each other.
Also I'm really glad Sorceress got phoenixes back after so damn long.

a lack of 'long units' aka 2hexers is really bad and imo noticable
QoL is bad, buttons randomly dont do what youd expect, a lot of info is not accessible at the right place/time, its not HoMM5 slow but theres still sluggishness
While creeping its possible/likely to just randomly walk into a bunch of small guys, then walk into a big camp and get wiped and need to reload. They should IMO make it so you can just 'leave' bad fights vs neutrals like some HOMM3/5 mods let you without actually fighting them if autocombat says you get rolled
To get the best artstyle that looks at least somewhat HoMM like, you need to set colors to 'contrast mode' in the videos menu
WASD is nice as are abilities and focus

>>722943820
It's insane how boring and unimaginative that game was. I love Civilization, I love HoMM, when I read that this game was a combination of both I got really excited.
It is bad. My main complaint is all units are so similar stat and ability wise, there are almost no differences between factions. The factions are also lacking in visual identity. For example in HoMM you will never confuse Dungeon units with Fortress, they are all unique. In AoW4 you forget how races look as soon as you close the game.
The fights are too long because the combat area is way too big. City/Civ building aspect is way too simplified and is not engaging. AI is retarded.

I love the solo hero mode. I'll be honest, I played hundreds of hours of HoMM3 but I barely ever finished any maps because after some time it was such a chore to move a hundred heroes every turn. It probably won't be my main mode but I still like it.
However, they definitely have to do something about the graphics. The game looks blurry and the units barely stand out even if I use the contrast mode. Many things, especially icons look very low resolution. For example what does the alchemical dust icon represent? I can't tell, it's just a blurry bunch of colors.

>>722944947
Also the 'law system' seems 'incomplete' regardin the bonuses you can get
its unclear why you cant use spells sometimes
if youre playing 1 hero mode its too boring, all youre doing is walking to stacks and deleting them searching for an enemy in a 1v1, they need to find ways to make it more engaging besides minmaxing your losses. Usually the fun in HoMM is that, even if you're 1 heroiing, the enemy AI isnt and its using everything on the map to its advantage. Instead here a single hero focused AI is not fun to fight besides the 'final battle'
Its also unironically too easy to get max level and have nothing to look forward to progression wise

Alright, long time homm3 player, just picked this up, first impressions:

>UI needs A LOT of improvement. Hovering over stuff / right clicking it should give a small context menu for everything. Example: hover over an enemy unit on the map, you can't tell if it's a ranged/melee without ever having fought that unit before. Icons are too big and shitty; in hindsight it's actually CRAZY how devs 20 years ago were so smart to put all the relevant game information in a very concise right-side tab. We're regressing here, with heroes to the left and towns to the right (with oversized icons)

>Graphics are not my cup of tea at all. The units blend too easily into eachother and into the terrain. Also, for the love of christ change the icons from the models to actual unit art

>Gold seems too easy to get. Day 4, got 17k gold as Town and I get this enactment that lets me get up to 750!!! more gold/day in the first week. That being said, the decrees mechanic is a nice addition to the game and can definitely be tailored for each faction => more flavour => more fun

>The AI seems to be MUCH better than homm3. Will wait when it makes sense to do so, will prioritize killing a unit from a weaker stack instead of attacking the stronger unit in front of him if it knows it can't win etc.

>I like the idea of 2 upgrade paths for (all?) units. But I look at the human crossbowmen and all I can think is: "won't someone just put the stat differences in a spreadsheet and reach a conclusion that A is better than B, so we'll end up defaulting to A all the time?"

>Soft-capping the number of heroes is a good idea to counter the typical hero human wave strategy. Although it seems to only slow it down rather than encourage multi-hero play

>I like that heroes are generally more powerful and can have strong unique abilities, although I still need to play more with them

My biggest fear was that it was going to be a homm3 copy paste which it isn't. Good thing is that the core of the game is fun.

Did they keep the racism mechanic from 3? Like titans and black dragons getting to attack twice against each other.

>>722942787
i know it's probably way too much to ask but there should be different sort of graphic filters which you could switch between ingame.
kinda like those remastered C&Cs that let you switch between oldschool graphics and the retouched ones

>>722943820
Master of Magic is the superior Civ/HoMM hybrid.

>>722945194
This is a prequel, so racism hasn't been invented yet

>>722944521
>Cheese with 1 unit stacks? AI doesn't care about them anymore
What do you mean by that, the 1-unit stack strategy has always been to defend your ranged units from getting in melee ++ to bait the revenge attack of the enemy

1 Hero Mode is an imperfect solution, I wish they were more experimental
A better solution for the issue of microing multiple heroes would be
>1 hero per 1 town
>each hero has the "Take troops from a town globally" spell, but can only use it once per week
>more ways to make players who feel like they need 7 different units per hero actually get those units ie making it so each town can easily hire 1 random non faction unit type
^ imo much better than stack limits

>>722945167
>Usually the fun in HoMM is that, even if you're 1 heroiing, the enemy AI isnt
I'm sure in the full game you'll be able to do that just fine on custom maps and templates.
The 1 hero mode is basically Outcast template from 3 which is designed for 1 hero vs 1 hero PVP with human players. But the demo doesn't have network capabilities for whatever reason.
Similarly Arena isn't fun to play against CPU.

>>722945393
thats one, but the real strat was to send out a single say Faerie to bait the enemy to walk towards the enemy but only 1 hex out of range, the AI will go to the faerie, then you walk the faerie in a different direction but still out of reach
the maps in OE are smol

>>722945139
>solo hero mode
How does it play, is it similar to king's bounty?

>>722945658
ah yes, forgot about that, for sure. The big pro of the game is the AI which is much better imo.

>>722945326
What creatures had racism mechanics aside from titans and black dragons? I think djinns and ifrits did too. So did angels and devils.

Casting web spell (minus speed) on enemy moves it down in turn order. Doesn't turn order depend on initiative? Web doesn't reduce initiative.
I don't understand how it works.

>>722943820
was excited for this game. took a look at the available units online when it released and realized it was trash. tier 1 guys could have more armor than tier 4 and 5 mythic units. they were also absurdly more cost effective too. one of my favorite parts of homm is hitting t6-t7 and feeling that giant power spike in my army. it was cool owning dragons. it was cool owning angels. aow 4 is just low tier spammy slop.

>>722945934
Isnt initiative a bit arbitrary? Its very uncertain whether its superior to have your unit move sooner or later, more initiative can make your unit move at a worse time.

>>722942372
i really don't like interference from hota. something about it feels cringe af.

>>722942372
damn this looks good

dungeon has shit heroes

>>722946306
It's a bandaid because they can't rework the entire skill system but it's still better than the joke that was Resistance

>>722945726
I've never played King's Bounty so I can't tell if it's similar, but in this mode you only get one hero for the whole game. I'm not sure where I got it, but there is a spell that allows you to move the army from your town to your hero. If you defeat the enemy hero, you win. That's basically it. There are also maps with other win conditions, but I haven't tried them yet.

>>722946404
>they can't rework the entire skill system
technically they can, people have done it. They could merge R + I and have I work on non-dmg spells

UI needs to be player colored, if you're red give the player a red UI

>>722946092
Nah, initiative is almost always good. It lets you decide when to act. You want to go first to strike the enemy before they can react? You can do that. Do you want to go second to react to enemy? Just press wait, and you're guaranteed to move after a slower enemy. It also lets you act two times in a row without enemy response.

>>722947131
The problem is 'wait' in combination of that. It being almost always good doesnt mean you dont want them to either move or be forced to choose between moving/waiting before your guy.

>>722947117
Make the ui readable and informative first, then we can do customization

>>722944521
>Also I'm really glad Sorceress got phoenixes back after so damn long.
did she get sprites and druids back too? heroes 2 sorceress is my favorite faction in the series even though it looks fucking faggy.

>>722947459
Yes. But the unicorns got exchanged for Kirin from 6.

>>722947541
damn who has unicorns now?

so how do you build? Economy first liars second?

>>722942164
>over 3
its different
>4
its better
>5
it has the same shit ui

>>722945193
you call yourself a long time homm3 player but you're really a tourist because youve only played homm3 10 years ago and nothing else

>>722945924
racism only existed in homm3 and 4. before was trad and after was multiculti

>>722948131
Yes, anon. I've only played homm3 with a tiny bit of 5 a long time ago. That's why I am comparing it to 3.

>new from hota
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnxFSrRPwS0
holy cringe
>>722948248
it's fine i just don't think you should call yourself a long time player when you're obviously not

>>722948321
Are you retarded perchance? Or an ESL?

>>722943459
squid facion is demon farming the faction and I hate it
many parts of the game is just pvpfag wankery, nobody normal likes to do all that shit

>noooo the demon faction is actually good now this is nothing like Heroes 3 what am I going to do?
Neck yourself

how do i get alchemical dust?
Also, do I not need to visit the town to learn that town's spells anymore? Is there a reason to build a mage guild in more than 1 town?

>>722947937
>its better
lol
lmao

>>722948321
worst voice"acting" ive ever heard

>>722948754
4clowns are so mindbroken they dont even offer any arguments
yeah it has the best music and story out of the series, which makes zero difference

Does the hero's movement points scale with the slowest unit in his army like in homm3? Do I need to do the trick of swapping my main hero's army so that he only has 1 fastest unit and can move the furthest?

>>722948910
lol
lmao

>>722948997
No it doesn't, and thanks god, that shit was fucking cancer.

>>722948703
I still have no fucking idea how it works.
But I can answer the second question. Multiple mage guilds are useful to learn more spells. Also if multiple mage guilds have the same spell it's automatically upgraded.

>>722948703
>>722949187
I think...
I think they really want you to be little bit choosy on what units you upgrade...
Or I am too missing obvious way to get dust.

>>722949187
But wait a second, is the magic menu that top left eye icon? If so it seems to me that I can pick and choose whatever spells I want to unlock, or am I misunderstanding it? I got a level 2 mage guild in my town and clicking it just brings me to that eye menu.

>>722949247
estates gives 5 dust a day at the 2nd tier. Necro and Dungeon have a law to make 5 a day. Otherwise the alchemist shack or whatever doodad lets you trade resources for dust.

>>722949247
What I found so far
>there's a secondary ability that gives +500 gold. At expert level you can select bonus skill for +5 dust daily.
>there's a building on the map that lets you convert gems + crystal + alchemy into dust.

>>722949303
ive no clue what youre talking about can you post a screenshot

When you buy mage guild you get like one of each magic type and then bunch of them to unlock on that tier.
Like you get tier 1 mage guild you get assortment of tier 1 spells and some to unlock

Uhh is there a way to get AoE web/slow spell?
Upgrading it in guild mage just gives slows more and my hero with expert nighshade magic can only choose one stack.

>>722949482
this menu. It seems to me I can just pick and choose whatever spells I want to unlock if I pay the dust for it?

>>722949496
Mass haste/slow are hero specialities, nobody else can get them

Is it me or castle native ability sucks ass?
Dungeon hero stances are just too fucking good.

>>722949545
yeah you have one magic list thats shared across every town, you can upgrade manually or buying more mage guilds in new towns

Oh wow, I was playing a game on 100% difficulty, mid week 2, already had the 2nd best unit (playing as Town). I thought I was doing very good but then I encountered an enemy AI army that completely obliterated me.

>>722949927
Is that some tutorial scenario?

>>722949881
so if I buy another mage guild what does it do, does it unlock a random spell for free?

>>722950037
nah I just jumped straight in, quick battle, classic mode, that smallest map with 4 players.

>>722950049
say you have haste unlocked and slow not (dont remember the actual names of the spells)
if you buy a new magic guild that unlocks both haste and slow, you now have haste level 2 and slow unlocked (at level 1)
you need to level up spells to make them better, one way is to buy more magic guilds instead of using alchemical dust

>>722942164
Play 2, its the best homm.

>>722949564
Ohh, Thanks!
Damn, so OE is going to be a little harder to play than I thought.
Also watch out for upgraded tier 4 of bastion.
Those fucking niggers cast berserk on their killers.

>>722950489
It's a welcome change for sure but as an avid HoMM3 nerd I'm used to most maps banning those spells/having them as very end game reward anyway

>>722934978
basically companies are obsessed about paying as little as possible
which turns everything into revolving doors
which in turn necessitates management bloat

>>722948754
4 is dogshit, I don't understand the people who love it.

Whats the point of mage guilds when pandora's box just spam you with every spell. They seem a little broken.

>>722951110
>Whats the point of mage guilds
Levelling up your spells

>you have already upgraded this spell manually
Huh? So I can only upgrade manually once, and then rely on the mage guild RNG? For levels 3 and 4?

>>722943692
the cove music is so bad man

>>722951379
It's the reason dungeon's special building of levelling up spell scrolls to max level is so good, at least early game

>>722951438
do you know, if you build a mage guild level 2 for example, do you only unlock a couple of random level 2 spells, or also level 1? In other words, are you naturally capped to how many spells at a level are actually fully upgradable by the simple lack of enough cities?

>>722951379
>and then rely on the mage guild RNG? For levels 3 and 4?
Basic daylight/nightshade/arcane/primal secondary abilities give +1 level to the spells of their school.
When reaching expert level you can pick up a bonus ability that gives +1 level.
There are artifacts that increase spell levels.

>>722951754
Building magic guild level 2 only unlocks/upgrades level 2 spells
Yeah I'm pretty sure you rely on luck having to unlock lvl4 spells from magic guild alone depending on how many towns you can capture, but there are many things that increase your spell levels by one, most notably the associated secondary skill like light magic increasing the level of all light spells by 1

They need to remove the "once per game..." locations. There is no need for it to not be a lootable icon. And maybe also color-code the highlights so you can easily tell what's a weekly +resource vs a weekly +modifier vs a weekly +unit vs something else.

>>722933952 (OP)
>2025
>Games still being developed without proper controller support for healthy gaming

>>722952392
>playing homos of might and magic with a controller

>>722952450
Well why the fuck not?
Instead of trying to make a modernized interface they just mostly aped newer civ/aow games but HoMM could absolutely be made to work with a gamepad, they'd just have to try harder designing the controls than not at all.

>>722952392
>Playing HoMM
>On controller
Now this is some blasphemy

Graphics need to be more crisp, clear nad less cluttered. Just look at this sawmill, you can barely tell that it's already been visited and owned by me.

>>722952559
im sure it would work but can you imagine the amount of fucking button presses you have to do to do anything
sometimes its just better not to

>>722952645
something is very off about these graphics
its all a big mess somehow
when i inspect something closely with my eyes it looks... fine? but then during gameplay its rather nauseating... for some reason

>>722952759
I actually can. About a couple radial menus would do. Being turn-based completely removes the requirement for precise pointer inputs.

>>722952919
Start turning off options like TAA and depth of field.
yes there is depth of field and It was the thing that triggered my nausea.

>>722952919
yeah, the textures look decent if you really zoom in on them, but somehow all of the detail just becomes a blurry mess the more you zoom out

Most of the factions are quite boring

The graphics (art style) and UI are the main problems here
When I look at it I think a mobile version of League of Legends, not HoMM
The art style needed to be charming, not League slop-style
Sad to say they probably botched this one attempt at revitalizing HoMM 3-based gameplay

>>722934937
vamps were honorary t7 unit anyway

>slop
Argument irrelevant.
Start having your own thoughts.

>>722952450
playing turn based strategies on the tv with a controller is so fucking insanely comfy. been playing tactics ogre again recently this way and its great even if I get sick of mashing the dpad to do anything

I wonder if the ingame "submit feedback/report bug" does anything.

Did they update this? I briefly tested the demo like two days ago and the cursor wasn't a horse. I missed that. Now there's a horse.

>>722953910
whats the deal with the plasticky-MOBA-style graphics
i hate it so much

>>722946063
then play aow 3 or 1 because in those games higher tier units are broken

>>722952998
Holy fuck the difference is actually night and day. I just did this and you can zoom out without the graphics going to shit. Anything esle worth changing in the settings?
Also changed the fog of war for the void option ofc.

>>722954143
Someone said turning cloud shadows off also helps.

>>722953325
its generic HOMM factions except inferno is purple and wet now

>>722954514
I've noticed that selecting this for outlines helps interactable objects pop more at a glance.
If it's on "all" everything blends together.

>>722953973
same, always preferred the late 90s pixel art worldspaces, homm3 overworlds legit look beautiful, a pleasure to simply look at all the details.
https://files.catbox.moe/2n68hf.png

same goes for other games of that era. it's not all of them but occasionally they do it just right and it really hits the autism just looking at them, trying to discern all the details and stuff.
https://files.catbox.moe/xof265.jpg

>>722953973
Name me a 3D game with a different graphics style which you think would fit HoMM: OE.
They all look the same.
I remember people cried about Starcraft 2 looking like League of Legends. Same for Diablo 3. It's hard to do something different.

>>722955420
NTA but I don't think it's a technical problem necessarily, it's a style problem. Units are overdesigned, active objects don't stand out enough in color from the trees and the ground. If you want to see a modern sprite-based strategy look no further than Age of Empires II Definitive Edition which looks absolutely amazing.

>>722955556
>Name me a 3D game
>Age of Empires II

looks like a piece of shit money grab
there is not a singular reason to play this over 3 or even 5
do a 2d art for each unit buildings and such and make ui that is not a facebook game and it might not look like a total piece of shit that it is cause it most certainly does not look like might and cock game

man, every time i get back into playing homm or a homm-adjacent game, I just wish there were more opportunities to fight big enemy armies more often. 90% of the game is strategizing your resources, only engaging neutral NPCs when your army is much stronger so you either don't take any damage or autoresolve. It's still fun and addictive as fuck, but there MUST be a better way to incentivize more big fights.

>>722955742
why are russians so gay

Is it just me, or was this game looking better/more in the art style of HoMM 3 earlier during development?
I think there's been a shift toward a mobile game looking UI/style

>>722955950 what is gay about making a babecock of myself and a hot girl?

>>722955057
I barely notice the outline in the first place.

>>722955987
You are retarded
It's not a mobile UI, it's a Civ7/AoW4 UI
It's not done very well but that's besides the point
Stop just saying words, buttons this small would never work in a phone game

>>722955950
He's a serbian tranny, actually

Summon avatar skill/spell is just so insanely broken
My avatar has like 1200 hp and hits for 200 damage, for a 20 spellpoints spell lmao

>>722956135
That's what kept confusing me with all the anons saying it looks like a mobile game UI. It just looks like the same UI that every modern 4X game has used for the last 5 years.

>>722956158
is it a hot tranny tho

>>722956135
>it's a Civ7 UI
Bro, Civ 7 UI is just a bunch of dark gray squares with chaotically placed numbers inside. I can agree on resemblance with AoW4, but it's nothing like the atrocity of Civ 7.

The changes done to the core of the game are kind of cringe, sort of like the same cringe I feel when I see HotA (Cove etc.).
Its so hard to not wish it was just a carbon copy of HoMM3, defeating the purpose of this game.

I wish I could just go back to the late 90s/early 00s.

>>722948703
destroy useless artifacts for dust in the hero inventory screen. near bottom right once you select an artifact. also why no hive in demo?? it is in the current closed beta

Holy fuck what do I pick?
Luckmaxxing for 0 counterattacks or lucky magic?

>>722956979
spells. There is a (slight) upside to getting counter attacked in dungeon because of the hydra.

>>722953910
I don't understand what's with the cursor. On the previous mission it was a horse and now it's a regular pointer?

>>722948703
there is overworld building that lets you convert resources into dust

>>722956979
>he picked luck and morale boost
its was over from you turn 1

Me? I specialize into the priests

>>722934978
The bigger the company, the greater the bloat and inefficiency.

>>722933952 (OP)
I got 3000 skeleton warriors, 2000 phantasms and a bunch of other shit and was unstoppable, so pretty standard Necro experience in any homm game.

This new AI is too smart for my boomer brain
I cannot get pat counterattack and spell level tutorials

So we're getting tenticle niggas instead of academy?

>>722958841
This game is set a gorillion years before homm3, there's no sandro, no crag hack, no one is here yet

Game is really bugged, at times when I level up I can't see anything. And sometimes when I win a fight the monsters are not gone on the map and I have to redo it.

>keep forgetting to put points into the lawshit
new mechanics takes time to remember that they exist

>>722958603
Can you still get power liches?

>>722959217
You will take your cthulhu lovecraft shit that has had basically 0 presence in the series until now and you will LIKE IT you fucking WHITE MALE CHUD

It's awright, the only thing lacking is elevation on the map, in fact I'm just autistic about it

>>722941738
I'm so bad at these fucking games I can barely beat normal, and no I refuse to split my stack into stacks of 1's, my brain only understand big stack

How do you guys split up your heroes anyway? Do you keep all the strong guys on one hero and take everything, using another hero as a logistical ferry, or do you split up the strength of the army and take out different areas? I'm currently finding it difficult as a necro to take things out because they're all difficult+ battles unless I get stronger units.

>>722959217
So it seems. But I'm hoping we see academy, With the focus abilities theres a lot of way to differentiate the two. At the very least academy/tower will have tier v spell tower unlike schism

>>722959592
these icons are soullessly abysmal

>>722962670
the former, main hero will do 99% of the work while the others just ferry shit to him or collect resources/creatures from dwellings/towns for him, only if you are playing on a super big map for a long time is it worth it to have more than 1 main hero

>>722933952 (OP)
A little too bland on the color palette and the art direction in general would be my biggest gripe so far. HOMM3 had such a colorful, well defined and gorgeous art direction. Everything pops and you can very clearly identify things on the map even just at a cursory glance (unless they are partially covered by the environment which can happen). This is almost straight up missing in Olden Era

I like everything but the art style and UI. Both are genuinely soulless.

first time playing a Homm game
What's with the controls and ui, they feel unintuitive as fuck?

>why do I have to right click heroes to select them, but left click them when clicking the icon?
>Some decorations look almost indiscernible from interactable map elements (or vice versa)
>is there hud element or tooltip that shows global buffs?
>is there no indicator that shows stuff like how far a hero can move or what placed he already visited without hovering over all of them?
>is there confirm selection/action or undo? I misclicked move instead of attack multiple times already
>Mission target window overlays the hero window (though this must be a bug)

>>722959931
Not in name, but the pestilent lich does the power liches area attack. In choosing that upgrade they lose the only animate dead spell in the game tho for some fucking reason.

>>722961269
shouldve been a lizardman faction

>>722952559
>modernized
eat a back a crow dicks and use a mouse like a civilized evolved being you cuckold

>>722943820
Making your own dragons in a bunch of flavors is the best part of the game desu

>>722943820
Not even the best in its series.

>>722942372
What's Bulwark's schtick?

>>722956061
Yes, that's anons point

>>722933952 (OP)
>make a genuinely good game
>the art style is as generic as humanly possible
fuck

>>722971010
slow and snow

That seems pretty good

Bros is Songs of Conquest any good?

>>722972436
For long term investment not really. As a "I want more homo 3, now!" it's good. Surprisingly demanding on PC and game design loves to pigeonhole you into specific playstyles.

Songs of Conquest is definitely better in terms of customization because you can just mass one type of unit if desired. In HOMM you always have to buy everything.

>>722958603
I was playing Necropolis and got stomped by normal bots at 3 weeks.

Also i don't like focus shit.
I don't like it at all.

>>722939245
Retard

>>722942372
Dont forget day of reckoning

I've always had a tough time stomaching the gameplay in HoMM games. Everything feels more like a puzzle game where you have to rush the enemy before they can snowball out of control. Armies fighting each other is always 1v1, and friendly arrmies can't even assist each other without relinquishing units to the strongest leader. Then you have this weird meta which involves daisy-chaining hired heroes so your main hero can get supplied with troops from faraway. That, or you risk having to spend turns sitting in your base clicking End Turn until you have enough troops to get over the next speed bump. I swear HoMM games are like the Super Smash Bros Melee of fantasy strategy games, the way these absurdities exist in order to promote competitive play, and if you didn't play a certain meta-approved way, you would get utterly stomped.

>>722942372
what the fuck is hota

>>722943692
Kill yourself retarded secondary. While i agree bulwark does look shit as well as factory. Cove is not. Ever heard ofRegna?

>>722973553
Horn of the Abyss. HoMM3 mod that adds some new towns and is really well made.

>millions of undesirables and tourists discovering and glazing a 3D remake which will probably miss half of the features with a $70 pricetag when the original game with HD mod is cheaper than water and completely playable on modern systems
You don't hate gen z / gen a graphic whores enough

>>722973458
You will only be using one hero for fights so of course your main hero will be the one gathering EXP, skills and armies. There's no point spreading them. Your secondary heroes are your scouts, they spend movement points to pick up stuff and visit non-fight buildings like flagging mines. Yes, if you want to play optimally, you use them to chain fresh armies to the main one.

And the games are designed to be played with human players. The single player mode is just a tutorial, the actual game starts at multiplayer.

>>722973780
>homm3 hd
don't make me laugh

Will the soul be added in the full version?

>>722973458
And of course you will want to have your main hero to do stuff on its turn. The only acceptable reason to have your hero wait, is to fill MP by resting in town with mage guild. You need to learn the game. Your best bet is to have someone with knowledge and experience to play with you and show you the ropes.

>>722945412
The best solution would be to actually heroes 4 movement mechanics so multiple heroes on larger maps would have something to do besides being a fucking train for units which i hate and is dumb btw

>>722973832
If the devs actually listen to the feedback, yes.

>>722933952 (OP)
Some of the UI is a little hard to navigate but other than that I'm seriously enjoying it. Not a damn clue why it's 78% on Steam.

>>722948910
More useful spells schools that actually counter each other. Much better skill system than 3. All of them are useful. Better movement mechanics. Now you actually have to scout and hold your territory like in a strategy game. Caravan system. Having heroes as commanders is a good thing and makes sense since it HEROES of might and magic. Killing enemy hero in battle can cripple army. And my more you turd

>>722974089
4 just isn't that good. It has great ideas but bad executions. 2, 3 and 5 are simply better and I still play 3 and 5 with my friends in multiplayer

>>722943820
My issue with it is that the differences are very cosmetic and not very deep.

4 tried to be innovative and I can understand that but it's just too flawed of a HoMM game

>sylvan doesn't get elfs
damn the heroes 2 lineup was too solid so they had to never bring it back again

>>722974145
I play 3 4 5 and we can all agree that 3 gets boring fast. Is least complex compared to its sequels and lacks any depth. Its just good enough to play for a few turns while drunk or on hotseat. You havent countered anything i said. If you arent a 500+ rating player your opinion doesnt matter to me anyway.

>>722933952 (OP)
uninstalled after 20 minutes
I'd rather play 7
t. hero of might and magic since 2 released

>>722933952 (OP)
Why would anyone want this game? I just play HoMM3 when I want to play HoMM3.

>be me necro
>play slow, farm the map, build my army, classic playstyle
>rush vampire estate 2
>got some lucky rolls >>722971742 so I farmed a bunch of t7 units early
>turn them into vampire lords
>Enemy comes to me with only 2 heralds and some other stuff
>think "aww my 15 vampire lords will crush this easy"
>They deal no fucking dmg
>i die to some 30 minotaur fuckers who apparently aoe my entire army for 500 dmg

???

What the fuck just happened? In what world does my t7 upgraded doomstack do nothing in that fight? I had like a full army too im talking like, 30 liches, 40something knights, like 400 skelletons and shit. The fuck was that the enemy didnt even use spells for fucks sake.

>>722974870
Sounds to me you played too safe and didn't get your levels and stats high enough. The size of army does fuck all if you don't have attack and defense to back them up

>>722974870
show your hero stats tho

>>722975174
idk both my heroes got the +xp level thing very early so I was leveling every fight I was taking. I thought I was doing pretty well. I had a bunch of expert stats, lvl 4 mage book, and I got steamed.

>>722975283
I closed the game and didnt make a save beforehand. The game was over so I didnt think about it.

>>722975319
It's hard to learn from your mistakes if you close your eyes and close the game the moment you get kicked in the nuts

>>722975401
I mean, I didnt ragequit if that's what youre saying, the game was over. I lost both my heroes after clearing out my cities of units and didnt think I'd be able to mount any comeback without units, heroes, or cities.

I am a bit pissed cause I was kind of enjoying my game and felt like I was doing pretty well. I was clearing the map without any sort of pushback so I thought I was keeping a steady level, and then the AI showed up and suckerpunched me into the moon. I guess its nice that the game is challenging enough for that.

>>722975284
I guess enemy hero had way higher attack and defense. Don't underestimate warriors.

>>722975517
I guess so, I didnt expect to be that far behind though, and I expected a 15 to 2 ratio to be more impressive.

As an aside, how do I get arcane dust? it seems to be a pretty strong bottleneck once you get your economy going.

>>722975507
Map fights against neutral stacks with no heroes are dufferent from enemy hero armies. Enemy heroes know spells and skills and their stats increase their army's stats. Just because you csn bully neutral stacks don't mean you are going to bully enemy hero. When playing, your main objective is beating the enemy player.

I had similar experience with my friend playing 5. He had way bigger army than me, he attacked my starting town and ai would have gotten steamrolled... but then i realized one big hole in his play: he didnt have access inside my walls unless he makes a hole in my walls. I took out his catapult before he made a hole and his superior army was left as sitting ducks outside my walls. He ragequitted and uninstalled the game. Even today I can get reaction from him by asking how's his catapult.

>>722933952 (OP)
Pre-rendered sprites will always be superior.

Do lightweavers need such big, round, bouncy, firm asses with no visible underwear? Because I think yes and I need to report a bug where upgraded version gets a cape

>>722974787
Nobody asked about your shit opinion. Go back to your baby's first strategy game

>>722975859
Yeah Im aware as much, I know the general strategies from back in homm3. I guess my issue was I didnt think I progressed that slowly (It was still in the first month or so) and the ai showing up felt much stronger than I expected them to be, especially when overall my army units seemed to be much stronger.

I guess I also kinda got destroyed by that minotaur ability which I didnt know about. They smacked all my units in a diagonal line and lost like 100 skellies, hounds and other stuff.

>>722976053
you should take your own advice and go back

>>722976053
Kek, are you the actual dev?There's no audience for your game, the next game you make will have to be some actual mobile shit lol.

>>722976001
Would look so much better with white skin.

>>722976186
White hair and clothes look better on darker skin

>>722976186
Stil SEXSEXSEX with black skin

>>722933952 (OP)
its like im looking at d2 resurrected vs OG d2
WHERE IS THE CONTRAST??

>>722976586
Tucked in the settings menu.

>>722976138
Theres plenty of shit in olden era and it mainly stems from the fact that they tried to imitate shitheap that is 3. The elements they shouldve taken from it is the graphic style ui and music but they only took gameplay elements

The more I play it, the more I like it. After 5 hours I just want to play more. Also what's "demo" about this? This just seems like a full build of a game in development, there is so much shit

>>722976990
>Also what's "demo" about this?
Not all factions are in it, and also no map maker/generator and no campaign

>>722976990
There's only 3 map types to choose from, definitely feels like a demo to me.

>>722976718
u know what im talking about, pumping contrast so game looks ridiculous wont solve the underlying issue here

>>722977430
you can't add "contrast" as easily for 3d games, plus high contrast makes games more tiring to play.

>>722977652
is OG diablo 2 high contrast for you? its normal contrast with crisp graphics people played it for years without getting tired

looks like a piece of shit money grab
there is not a singular reason to play this over 3 or even 5
do a 2d art for each unit buildings and such and make ui that is not a facebook game and it might not look like a total piece of shit that it is cause it most certainly does not look like might and cock game

>schizo ukie spammer is also a pedo
Color me surprised

>>722978685
better to be a pedo than to shill and unironically like this shit, which nobody sane does

>>722978713
>better to be a pedo than
no.
also homm is an awesome saga, have fun playing call of duty or whatever it is you play, pedo.

>>722977652
>you can't add "contrast" as easily for 3d games
Actually, from technical side, you can do it quite easily. They most likely already have a tag/layer system for game objects, so you can make a separate shader affecting contrast, saturation and other parameters of a specific flagged objects, in any combination and order of rendering. Same thing can be done with prerendered sprites and stuff, it's just way harder to granularly modify parts of it, since a lot of thing baked in the image.
From artistic pov it more challenging. Devs clearly want to balance readability, fidelity and how coherent the map looks. For example they made the terrain surface texture looks plain, undetailed, because it makes objects stand out better, even though it looks quite basic on its own.
They need to add a bit more blinking windows and magic lights to overworld objects, to grab attention better without being intrusive. I like how many of the intractable have little animations, like dragons circling the Dragon Utopia.

>>722978894
it is piece of shit besides 3 and 5
u are just a pathetic piece of shit shill
calling me a pedo is a compliment
you are inbred nigger

I probably used wrong word, it might not be contrast but gamma(?) or other graphical setting, game looks dark for some reason

I hope they add underground later.

lol
no underground
no map generator
4 fractions????
2d art only for heroes
sloppa for total niggers

>>722979382
Its a demo you ape

>>722979739
its SHIT

>>722980323
Do you honestly think 3/4 of your points wont be null in the full version?

>>722980527
not having random map generator tells me everything i need to know about the absolute state

>>722976990
Very smart of them to let people try all of the mechanics and bunch of units at their own pace. HoMM players are autistic, game itself is slow and long. If it was only a tutorial, 1 map and 2 factions everyone would be substantially harsher and skeptical. Plus devs get a bit more playtest data.
I remember playing the shit out of some demos as a kid, this will quench my thirst until release somewhat.

I completed the tutorial but cannot chose singleplayer not multiplayer. Is quick join the only available mode?

>>722965364
think there is one subskill of necromancy with that but it was restoring only 80hp for some reason

>no map generator
The demo ONLY has RMG maps

>>722980916
3 templates is not a random map generator inbred shill

>>722980916
there's gonna be a proper campaign right? i have no interest in short scenarios and randomly generated maps.

>moving goalposts
The mind of a deranged Ukrainian

>>722980954
Yes

>>722981013
>i never played homm game i have no idea what random map generator is
you are inbred shill

>>722980954
Should be at the very least 1 faction campaign, gotta defeat Hive Queen.

posts wojaks
did they employ literal jeets to shill for this shit? lmfao

>>722935321
Necronand Schism getting Native Terrain bonuses then turning any fight into Native Terrain at the end of the tree is great. I like Laws, they get to make you pick if you want a better stack game or just being stronger in more utilitarian ways.
>>722942979
Colorful, flashy, yet not actually highly detailed graphics. The game looks kind of like taking heroes 5 designs and trying to make them in Heroes 3 style. However most of people parroting "phone game graphics" are shitposters and should be ignored.

>>722961915
Good news, AI mostly ignores 1 stacks. At best they can be a screen for your stronger units if you surround them. Few units like Dungeon tier 3 are actually good when split (because of their infinitely stacking Def down attacks in case of Dungeon's Dancers)

>>722964841
Because it was made by people who have been idolizing a 25 year old game and used it as a direct skeleton to base Olden Era on. It feels pretty comfy for a long time HOMM 3 player.

Which Olden Era unit will be the most cosplayed?

>>722981476
none
game will fail miserably like a piece of shit trash that it is

>Ukraine out of nowhere
>wojaks
I thought the devs were dumb because they're trying to do HoMM clone 20 years after everyone and their dog already did that, but looks like the devs are just generic Russian retards. Maybe making a video game allows them to dodge the draft or something.

>>722981442
That's not really an excuse. They know what mechanics need improvements after 25 years of playing it but they couldn't bother with QoL?
Even with their new mechanics, for example, Schism has this special skill where the more you fight the more reinforcements you get but there's no way to actually track this buff anywhere.

>>722933952 (OP)
Are there map seeds and procedural generation?

>>722933952 (OP)
is there a point in this other than new gfx?

>>722981549
It has a bunch of new mechanics and factions.

>>722981590
>has 4 towns
>bunch of new
LMFAOO

>>722973949
Spiteful self-proclaimed nostalgiafags review bombing. Same shit as usual.

>>722981590
But Horn of the Abyss already has new mechanics and factions?

>>722981624
i am gonna go to 10 steam accounsts and give it 1
keep seething lol

>>722974870
Heralds damage STARTS at 35, Vampires top out at 35. You get way more units than anyone else and they are just not as good in order to balance it out. That said it could also come down to the skills you had. Once you get Necro Might Ultimate skills up you should be winning against everything else.

>>722981547
The demo only has six preset templates for random map generator, no premade maps. Presumably the final release will allow you to edit the templates.

>>722981635
Horn of the Abyss doesn't really change that much, not so much because they can't, but more so because they don't want to. This game has different skill, spell, logistics and kingdom management systems some of which act as direct answers to issues present in 3 and 5. The creatures also have more active abilities than those in 3 and sidegrades like in 5. The demo is free. Go play it.

>>722981635
Government doesn't want you to know this, but you are allowed to play two different games at the same time.

>>722933952 (OP)
Have never played Might and Magic but see that GOG shills the hell out of the franchise. Is it good? Can I start with this demo, or is it bad and like unfaithful and not a good entry point ?

>>722981791
I understand that no one actually does this in the devs' home country, but in theory you're supposed to pay for the games that you play. And expecting people to pay for the HoMM clone #165 in 2026 is quite...daring.

>>722981849
I will never tell you. Dumb anime poster.

>>722981849
I will tell you everything. Smart anime poster.

>>722975812
Dismantling artefacts or picked up on the map. There is an Alchemist Lab building that converts 1 of each rare resource into 15 Dust. It is an extremely big bottleneck yes. Could be that is why you lost. Also did you unlock any spells manually or just used what the Tower gave you?
>>722976084
If you like AoE, Dungeon's gimmick gives almost all of them pseudo AoE at the cost of dealing less damage if you need it. Ecception are troglodytes that get a Long Range Melee and Infiltrators that get the Harpy attack pattern.

Heroes 3 babies coming out of the woodwork shitting on the game because they have to wait 1 hour for their next turn on jebus so they have nothing else to do. You wont be playing the game anyway so might as well fuck off now

>>722982083
>game i never played is le bad because i am hindu shill not knowing sim turns exist in homm3 for years unend

>>722982083
But who will be? I planned to just shit on this decades-late game and be on my way, but now I'm genuinely curious just how delusional the devs are.
Judging by the shills ITT they chose the Hollywood approach of "the old thing was never good" and "only haters don't like our masterpiece" but without any money or brand recognition to back them up. It's amazing, in a sense.

>>722981528
It's not an excuse. It is a necessity. See the screeching apes here bickering how "3 was better" in spite of the QoL. That said once you play for a few hours it becomes way more intuitive, especially if you bothered with the tutorial.

I've been playing for a while and it truly is painful how forgettable the music is. Just slapping homm3 soundtrack in here makes the game ten times more enjoyable. They really fucked it up in that regard.
The game is still very fun to play.

>>722981849
3 is the classic, 5 is basically an attempt to make a game similar to 3 with some spins, and Olden Era tries to pick the best ideas of both. 4 is different flavor of game, heavily centered around the heroes themselves. 1 and 2 are way outdated and 6 and 7 are just "french try to make Heroes 3", I was not a fan.
Overall I would say Olden Era demo is a good place to hop into the series

>>722981739
>The demo only has six preset templates for random map generator, no premade maps. Presumably the final release will allow you to edit the templates.
Sounds good, I think seed generation would be a massive improvement.

>>722938714
Songs of Conquest is good

>>722934978
You're going to be surprised how inefficient bigger projects/companies actually are.
Solution is to whip the guys at the bottom

>>722982226
What the fuck are you talking about man? Graphics aside this very much feels like a heavily modded 3. You'd have to actually play to know I suppose.

>>722982472
>Songs of Conquest is good
songs of conquest looks horrible, i have a hard time telling anything apart in that game because of its retro graphics.

>>722982493
How? I'm fucking colorblind yet I can tell the frog spearman apart from the gecko wizard.
A bit tougher with the world map but most pickups/interactables have this... Foil shine on them? My big issue with Songs is how fucked you are if for every unit you lose. Also tier 5/6/7 all having only 1 unit weekly sucks.

there's a holy grail mechanic in this game? I see the building that requires it but don't see any mozaic stones nor the digging ability

>>722981197
Worse, russians.

>>722982493
Really? I think it looks good and you'll recognize buildings pretty early too. There are colorblind options in the settings

It has its charm

>>722982629
Nothing worse than have some Loth faggot come in and fuck up my army by just spamming spells and rrrrats

Does this only apply to the lightweavers, or also their upgraded versions?

>>722982629
>How? I'm fucking colorblind yet I can tell the frog spearman apart from the gecko wizard.
idk. i had no issue playing through some indies like underrail but the songs of conquests graphics were so bad i couldn't get through the first map.

>>722981342
Even if AI ignore 1 stacks you can guard your archers with them, you can use them to waste your enemy's counter attack so your main stack woulnd't get any major loses. Even in HoMM3 AI sometimes ignore 1 stacks, but it still one of the most basic tactics to keep your amry safe.

>>722982683
There is a building called the Mirage where you have to defend a stronger copy of your hero to get the Grail.

>>722981920
HoMM7 was 10 years ago and was bad. There are like 5 clones total in the past 10 years. Most of the audience are 30+yo men and their nerdy wives, even if the game is 40$ it's chump change. Remember HoMM3 board game crowdfund collected 4 million $. Localized prices are a thing and people would want to play online multiplayer, hotseat/lan is hard to organize these days. People who truly don't like it will tap out after playing the demo, since it's kind of a big slice to get a proper impression. Sure there will be a bunch of spiteful pirates, but overall I bet the sales will be adequate.

Songs of Conquest has too many ugly niggers for my liking

>>722982916
You shouldn't be this hard on yourself.

>>722982886
holy cope
your game is shit

Has anyone tried demo on steam deck yet?

>>722983069
cry about it

>>722982183
1 hour is an exagerration but you can still wait a lot especially if opponent saved a lot of time for his timer and on some formats sim turns turn off once you tread on enemy terrain you shitter

>>722983158
>NOOO I AM LOSING MY FUCKING MIND HOW COULD I WAIT IN A TURN BASED GAME AAHHHH
holy jeety

>>722982767
The rats are a menace. If he has a spell to love tap 'em like Boiling Blood, they just run over the map and murder whatever they want.
I feel my style of playing Creation Arcane Vietcong with the frogs is even more infuriating though.
Damaging magic feels quite a bit weaker here than in Songs sadly due to how stacks work. Unless you managed to get 100% Spell Damage off Dungeon Magic ultimate skill, but that requires to take Avatar iirc?

>>722983117
olden era runs on a potato, there's no reason why it wouldn't work.

>>722982778
The upgrades just upgrade the base unit into an advanced one so yes.

>>722982226
I will be because i want to know what sort of story they prepared since it takes place on Enroth and not in ubishit setting. But secondaries that didnt play rpgs wouldnt know. Also im not shitting on the older games just retarded fanbase of 3

>>722982395
What is this franchise about? RTS?

I'm new, pls explain?

>>722983284
Hat of the witch grants you 1 random skill for free, buy eage eye is one of the worst skills in the game and you actaully waste of you your available skill slots with it, your hero could be bricked for endgame.

>>722983281
Turn based strategy. Not really a 4X IMO since the infrastructure advancement/exploiting is quite minimal. Get an army, clear the map, take the enemy cities.

>>722983239
Yes, as in - if I upgrade the unit I won't get the bonus anymore?

>>722983360
Yes as in, the bonus works on both base and upgraded. Don't stress about it.

>>722983431
lovely. Thanks, lad.

>>722982778
It'd be really weird, if it was only for the base version, it's a total increase.

>>722983196
magic is insane in Songs but once you get the idea and have a decent a build working, it's fun. The good stuff is just ridiculous
>Creation Arcane Vietcong
kek
sums up their campaign as well

I miss him

>>722983526
idk it does seem too op, having the downside of not being allowed to upgrade the unit would make the skill a bit more balanced.

>>722933952 (OP)
is demo multiplayer?

>>722983354
You're forced to take whatever the fuck she offers you btw. If she teaches you eagle eye, there's that. You can't escape.

>>722983662
Speaking of Eagle Eye. I wish they got rid of Siegecraft and Summon Avatar. I do not quite like Tactics but there are advantages to alpha strike deployment, but Siege is garbage and Avatar is both garbage and drains your mana like a motherfucker

>NOOOO MUH GRAFFIX
Nice to see that the new game is drawing in so many secondaries

Alright, playing the demo now and the artstyle is nice. The opening cutscene had this cool water painting style. Like the characters looked like they were painted. Cool shit. I like the fantasy

I bought like 60 troops though from 3 garrisons and one of my soldiers has 60 points now, so i dont get more soldiers they just get added to my existing ones?

>>722984007
You can separate them into any other available slot.

>>722984007
So you can split up your troops and make them into a single power unit if you want to... interesting

>>722982886
>people would want to play online multiplayer, hotseat/lan is hard to organize these days
Wait, so you don't know that there's an easy way to play HoMM3 online? That actually explains a lot.
Honestly, this whole thing is like that Captain Blood game - a big joke. You could have actually done some good working for the team who develops HotA, at least these guys know what they're doing.

>>722981849
this demo is a good place to start for how easily accessible it is, but if you can get your hands on a copy of the original complete version of homm3 they sell on gog thats even better place to start

>>722983662
>You're forced to take whatever the fuck she offers you btw
Not in Hota :)

>>722983640
No but the playtest is. Dunno if you can still request access to it tho, it has the hive town available

>>722984469
i know

Thoughts?

Are Hive's insects Kreegans or are they different demonic aliens?

>>722983662
>>722983354
>>722983284
Eagle Eye is like skill for different game or different magic system than what we have in Heroes

I don't know if it's just me being a shitter, or if the game is much harder than III. On normal (100%) difficulty and this AI's army is big AF imo for only week 4. I had to spam the shit out of my offensive spells to squeeze the win. Or is my army just shit?

>>722984298
I'm not talking about 3, retard. No way OE will be playable through LANE.

>>722984883
If you are using offensive spells as Temple you are likely doing something wrong. What skills/Magic did you invest in? I see your lvl so you obviously did not get the Ultimate skill but we're you even going for it? Why the 400 Swordsmen?

>>722984967
A totally normal thing to mention when talking about a new game, for sure.

Singleplayer mode should have the option to replay a fight if you don't like the end result of your first attempt

>>722985043
here's my setup.
>why the 400 swordsmen
I mean, I recruited all the units that I could.

>>722985160
Temple's unique skill is very good btw level it up

>>722985190
what unique skill? the post-death stack buff one?

>>722985229
Yes

>>722981476
damn onlyfans whores going for the 40year old and nearly in their midlife chrisis h3 fanbase

>>722984815
looks like the bitch from dungeons 3
Thalia is think?

>>722984815
cum

>>722985372
I bet her white bush looks cute

>>722933952 (OP)
I'm just glad my favourite autist composer is back

So any good herofus?
My favourites in H3 were Ciele, Shiva and Crag Hack

>>722985160
Hmmm you barely did upgrades and got no high tier units. Honestly I suspect the issue is your build path is not focused.
Usually when I go Temple I rush the Shooters and invest into Dawn magic, trying to unlock Blessing and Favorable Winds ASAP. I also like the blue Angels more due to no range penalty. Red Lightweavers also got a neat ability where they raise their damage by 1 every time they are buffed which means rushing large Lightweaver stacks is a great idea. Turn 1 cast Favorable Winds on them (this also buffs the Angel), turn 2 Blessing, turn 3 Carapace or something. You will wind up doing 3 X stack size more damage before buffs. Meanwhile those 400 Swordsmen are gonna get shot by a tier 6 unit and lose 100 in one go (how it goes for me at least)

>>722984815
>>722985372
Who got better ass?

>>722985372
why is dungeon now the designated slut faction since H5?

>>722985460
thats from temple which is the castle/haven faction

>>722985160
Ah fuck I forgot to mention. Hover over the hero class to see the symbol you wanna be looking for to get your Ultimate skills. They are quite broken if you manage to get them on most classes. Swashbuckler being the only truly dogshit one (Might Hero bronze path) because adding 200% damage to Heroic Strike is still fuck all damage.

>>722985523
oh damn mb was assuming its dungeon since dark elf
I kinda want to play now too but I am too busy so I will wait for the actual game

>>722985523
Makes sense, temple prostitutes is a time honored profession

so are dreadknights and naga queens in?
always loved those 2
maybe also something like grandelves?

>>722985372
White garter belt would really look good on her

>>722985776
Dread knights are, there is no tower/academy faction (yet)

>>722984815
delicious chocolate sexo

>>722985797
correct

Alright, I've decided to reload (the AI had yet ANOTHER army that he kicked my ass with afterwards). Instead, I've done the good ol' bait & switch by camping in the city with walls. This looks more reasonable now.

Unironically the 400 swordsmen were a saving grace, the AI just kept prioritizing attacking those guys over my archers lol

>>722985978
in every homm game the ai really loves to prioritise big stacks of t1 units for some reason

>>722985554
Are you talking about pic related? How do I get these ultimate skills?

>>722985403
who

>>722985453
Holly ass gets bonus points for not being a whore

How can your hero learn global spells? It says I have to low level, but level in what, I can't tell. For sure not the general hero level.

wait I second I never liked heroes of might and magic

>>722986106
Expert tier talents of your hero with the same icon

>>722981476
>>>Pixies
Cosplay as Naga queens or get the fuck out you whores

>>722985776
No Nagas. Medusas are as close as you get. For now at least. They did say they plan to add at least two more factions aside from the 6 at launch.

>>722964841
>>why do I have to right click heroes to select them, but left click them when clicking the icon?
When do you right click? I just select heroes by left clicking their icon. You can probably use 1, 2 etc to select them
>>Some decorations look almost indiscernible from interactable map elements (or vice versa)
Agreed, but that was somewhat the case with HoMM III as well. You get to know what is what after playing a while
>>is there hud element or tooltip that shows global buffs?
What's a global buff?
>>is there no indicator that shows stuff like how far a hero can move or what placed he already visited without hovering over all of them?
The yellow bar around the hero's icon is your movement. No, gotta hover to see what you visited, or like, remember it
>>is there confirm selection/action or undo? I misclicked move instead of attack multiple times already
No, don't missclick
>>Mission target window overlays the hero window (though this must be a bug)
Can't say I've seen that but I don't know what window you mean

Just tested it and game works even on my ancient stock i5 2500, i guess thats a good thing

>>722985403
>>722986202
Paul Anthony Rogan, Joe's brother

>>722986979
that's the stuff

>>722934978
Because games in 1999 were broken, buggy, janky, prone to crashes, and had way way lower standards for quality control. That's about 50% of it anyway, the other 50% is >>722942216

I assume people who ask these questions weren't actually around to play games in the 90s, or they'd know how temperamental both software and hardware was.

>>722986979
edit or upgraded unit version?

>>722987509
>broken, buggy, janky, prone to crashes
have you played modern games?

>>722986979
Amazing. Now remove that cloth tail that obscure her ass.

>>722987554
>upgraded unit version?
Lmao you wish.

>>722987585
but thats what makes it hotter

>>722987639
I'm writing to developers right now

>>722986436
Level in neutral magic skill I assume

>>722987324
didn't expect an answer right after waking up
>global buff
like visiting a stable gives your hero a movements buff for a few days

>>722987781
Oh yeah, Mmh if there is it's probably in your hero panel where you can see his stats? But most of these buffs only last a day or until the end of the week, so you should know when they fade. Or you can hover on a stable and it will say if visited this week, for exemple

>>722985129
Like the Load Game button?????????

>>722987885
NWC hire this man.

>>722987885
she looks like she boosts weekly minotaur production by 1

>>722986202
get the fuck out

>>722933952 (OP)
the UI makes it unplayable

>>722987938
Like the decline button in hota

>>722987757
How do I increase that? I haven't seen skill for neutral magic.

>>722987885
Really nice, thanks. While we're at it, can we also have tail-less version with her regular outfit >>722985372 please?

This is Unity, right? It runs so well. I forgot that games could be optimized... I love you Unity

Stop cooming to the holy temple faction!!!!

>>722988461
The one that makes you do the battle manually and is not in any way a retry button????????

How does the minotaur stance work?
I activate it, and the hero attack does the same numbers.

>>722988701
You can decline the results even after a manual fight and the battle will restart
What type of autism is this

>>722959291
sandro is in heroes 2, 3, 5,7 and 8, why can't he be in heroes olden era

>>722984129
hold down CTRL when clicking a stack to quickly make a 1 stack, it's very good to soak up hits that would've killed several more in a full stack
It's also good to use 1 creature stack to attack big stacks to make them use up their counterattack (only one time per round)

>>722988802
Amazing, really should have been the official design. Thanks.

>>722956448
man even the drawn icons look all samey and uninspired.
i love the ones they did in civ5 with their vibrant colors, easily to tell them apart thanks to individually unique appearances.
civ 6 was okay since i kinda liked the artstyle but the UI was horseshit.
i keep seeing it in all kinds of strategy games that they can't design a good UI for shit and instead resort to the same bland rectangles as if it's some kind of accounting software

>heroes are adept at X form of magic
>game doesnt show you what spells even belong to that fucking school when you select your heroes

>>722988749
It increases your attack power. Heroic Strike is shit and doesn't scale with anything

dont be retarded, if this is your first time ever encountering or wanting to try a homm game go with 3 or 5

>>722975868
I respect that they are trying to maintain the structure designs of old game, but its just so hard to read new one. Objects kind of blur together so they do not stand out the same way. Playing this game makes my eyes feel tired desu.

>>722989002
why

>>722989002
5 is shit solely because turns take ages

>>722988663
I am gonna cream myself to the 14-20 damage tier 4 Shooters and you can't stop me.
Jokes aside I think they did a shockingly good job on faction identity. Focus points feel like a bitch and a half to get reliably though.

>>722989024
they play, look and sound better

>>722988953
Spells have a circle around them with the colour corresponding to the magic school they belong to, plus there's literally tabs on the right side of the spellbook...did I misunderstand something or are you genuinely this retarded?

>>722958265
>hero specializing in priestesses has the biggest tits
Based. Shame you don't see them fully on the circular portrait.

>>722989063
5 looks better than this game?

>>722988132
>one per week
Impressive

>>722989049
https://www.moddb.com/mods/might-magic-heroes-55

>>722989094
yes it does

>>722989004
Put on Contrast mode, disable cloud shadows and motion blur, enable outlines on Collectibles only. My eyes bo longer bleed thanks to those options

>>722988953
It literally shows you which spells are which school in the magic tab. They are literally grouped into constellations.

>>722989132
lol

>>722989127
that mod can fuck off

>>722989132
I like 5 and you're genuinely delusional lol
In fact the reason I don't mind the graphics in olden era at all is because I've already stared at the 3D abomination that is Homm5 for hundreds of hours

>>722989127
I hate 5.5 because it completely reworks the most interesting part of 5 (the original skill wheel)

>>722989206
>i don't want a solution to my problem i just want to complain
you will never be a real woman so stop acting like one

>>722989068
>>722989136
I'm talking about hero selection screen you retards you have to pick a hero blind and check out what their magic school is supposed to be in game

>>722989341
>press alt to view more information
Are you special needs? Genuinely?

>>722989132
Man, I remember where people trashtalked Homm5 graphic around its release because it was too cartoony and nothing like Homm3

fucking retarded shit game with garbage UI I don't know what the fuck is going on half of the time no wonder only slavs who play this game on minimum settings on 800x600 because it's the only thing that runs on their toasters their father found at a garbage bin in Berlin even give a shit about this series

>>722989453
which tutorial mission filtered you

played songs of conquest years ago, didn't like the pixel visuals
this game looks much better and normal

>>722989135
i am guessing by motion blur you meant depth of field?

thanks for tip, noticeable improvement. Still looks abit washed out sadly. Part of me misses the grittiness of the earlier games.

Any returning heroes or it's just all new stuff

This is the glorious history of the slav(e)s

East Slavs - conquered by Khazars, vikings, Lithuanians and Mongols

Polabian Slavs - conquered by Danes and Germans

West Slavs - conquered by Germans

South Slavs - conquered by Ottomans

all while being enslaved by their neighbours to the point their ethnicity gave the root to the word "slave"

almost every slavic country was founded by non Slavs

today all slavic countries are shitholes while all germanic ones are first world

Played the cthulhu nation, their summon skills look incredibly annoying to use

>>722989434
don't worry, it's still trash and aged like milk compared to the 2d games

>>722989434
>Game releases
>People trash it
>New game releases
>Defend the old game they use to trash

>>722989662
the game is a prequel taking place gorillion years before other homm games

>>722989080
>faith is stored in the boobs and ass
>necro girls will be flatties
Based.

Fucking eastern "europe" isn't even europe it's an asiatic-turkish conglomerate of ogres and your shit games are a proof you are fucked in the head the UI is shit I dont know what the fuck is going on

>plays and looks like a phone game
just why bros...

HURR just BRRRAP fucking select a hero who says he is a master of cuntfuckmancy bro just check what it is in game bro xD

great game design this is why no one plays HOMO instead for a bunch of faggots who have 15 year old PCs

>>722989135
>Contrast mode
thank god u told me, made game more bearable cause default mode looks dogshit, dark like my phone ran out of battery

>>722989971
holy mental illness

>>722989341
Damn, you really need the AAA gaming style tutorial, huh? It's a fucking mystery forever I guess Anon.
>>722989735
I pretend any skill relying in your stacks dying just does not exist and Schism still works fine. Mostly because they are a faction that has four shooters and an absolutely fucked up tier 7.

>>722989986
after further testing the "Distance fog" setting is even bigger issue, makes the game look dark and muted, turn that shit off quick

>>722989971
Just hold Alt you retarded sperg.

these insufferable
>hurr 3 is the best, I didn't play it since I was a kid and didn't touch any other turn based games but trust me 3 is the best
faggots are the worst, you could re-relaselase HOMM3 without even changing the graphics and they would still complain
>this isn't the same bruv HOMM 3 is the best
stupid niggers are impossible to satisfy and it's not like those shitters even played the game in depth, they played on easy bots and act like they know what they are talking about these philitine cocksuckers

I just downloaded the demo. That intro looked AI generated as fuck.

>>722990547
Your thoughts and opinions are AI generated

>>722989865
>necro girls will be flatties
Wouldn't say so necessary.

Web or haste?

>>722990780
necromancers have a terrible choice of ultimate skills btw you should pick the death knight necromancy specialist

Reloading while leveling up is buggy as fuck
>if you level up and reload your save your hero will retain the level but not the skill
>when you level up you'll get both level up rewards at once
>if you use the dwelling to reset your hero and reload, then do a battle and level up, the stack of units you fought won't disappear and you can endlessly do this for as long as you level up within the battle
these things need to be fixed

>>722990808
spells are for pussies

anyone found an optimal build order?

>>722990828
Theres a bug report form ingame

>>722990808
Haste if you're a punch army dude, Web if you're a shoot army dude.

>Overwatch
damn that sounds like broken as shit against ai and players

>>722990828
Well, go tell developers. You even have a specific button for that in the top left corner.

>>722990937
yeah I just filed a report

>>722990869
Shooters 1st, like always.

>>722990831
Spoken like a man who's about to get his shooters put in the cuck chair for three turns.

>day 1 rolling into t6 unit specialist at the tavern who has two t6 units you can add to your main hero
How's that balanced?

>>722981849
Age Of Wonders 1&2 are simply better games

>>722991025
How?

>>722990932
Feels like bait compared to 10% damage increase desu.

>>722991024
>How's that balanced?
-1 morale

>>722990819
How so? Wraiths spawning doesn't sound awful.

>>722990932
Will work on the AI, that's all that matters

>>722987557
Still nothing compared to old games.

Take Fallout 1 as an example - on release the in-game timer was completely broken, and it was straight-up impossible to get the best ending. There were dozens upon dozens of bugs. The companions are completely useless. The soundtrack was outright plagiarized. Half of the Skills are completely useless, or have one use throughout the entire game. Most people didn't have Internet access, so no patching.


And this is for an extremely short RPG that can be 100% in 12 hours.

>>722991085
Well, you can also roll into t6 specialist of your own faction.

Yet another attempt to recapture HoMM3 in the bottle.
No coherent visual design at all though.
Units are tiny blobs, sometimes even their icons are a scaled down pixel mess.
I haven't played 6-7, but how does this manage to look worse than anything from 1 to 5?
I'm actually happy this doesn't hook me in, the backlog is infinite already.

>>722991087
yeah but death knights get the most op ult from homm5 which is the enemy always rolling negative luck against you, or alternatively enemy always having minimum morale

>>722991024
Because Hydras suck ass. Honestly same for DKs before their upgrade.

>>722991179
Unupgraded dks have double strike

The graphics are throwing me off completely.

>>722989719
>almost every slavic country was founded by non Slavs

>Poland - founded by Slavs
>Bohemia - founded by Slavs
>Duchy of Moscovy - founded by Slavs
>Serbia - founded by Slavs
>Bulgaria - founded by Slavs
>Novigrad - founded by Slavs
>Ruretania - founded by Slavs, later absorbed by other Slavs

Which ones do you mean, exactly, other than Kievan Rus?

>>722991313
Bulgars were Turkic nomads before they conquered current day Bulgaria region and got assimilated into Slav.

>>722991137
You can even start as a t6 specialist

>>722991478
Yes, but there is rng involved in rolling heroes in tavern.

>>722991313
Poland was founded by Picts and Bohemia was founded by Danes

>>722991287
They also got stats that makes them think twice taking on Tier 4 stacks of other factions. Seeing an upgraded DK stack try to kill my Minotaur Lord stack only to get slapped like a gnat is funny.
But yeah I was wondering why Necro gets +2 to Growth off specialized heroes, turns out their units are like. Extremely weak compared to same tier units of other factions. Much more so than I expected.

>>722991313
>my ethnicity was very important hundreds of years ago
nobody cares

>>722991632
>Poland was founded by Picts and Bohemia was founded by Danes
Which fantasy series did you get those from?

>>722991454
They didn't conquer it, they settled within it and assimilated into the existing Slavic tribes.

>>722991642
You send in the dk after skellington has suffered the retaliation
Default growth for t5/6/7 in necropolis are 5/4/2 respectively, they are much weaker compared to same tier of other towns

>>722991739
DNA testing of their first dynasties.

>>722991287
>>722991642
You can also get DKs on the third day since their dwelling only requires dogs dwelling and walls. Although it's pretty expensive, don't know if it's viable on higher difficulties.

>>722991789
>DNA testing of their first dynasties.
You mean the one that turned out to have an incorrectly assigned haplogroup? You truly are a moron.

What the fuck are those tutorial. I thought the game is trying to teach me the game not figure out Professor Layton puzzles.
The trade tut is not about knowing to trade, the game is messing with you, leaving out the fact that you don't need to have all resources at the same time.

>>722991890
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/premyslid-dynasty-y-dna.38717/

https://archaeologymag.com/2025/06/polands-first-kings-may-have-scottish-origins/

I'm sorry but in both cases they have non slavic haplogroups

>>722991760
Yeah I know. I was just surprised how much weaker they actually were. It's a good solution to fix the Necro deathball becoming unstoppable off wins.
Anyway I still think tier 6 Specialists are there in exactly the factions that need them.

There is going to be a campaign right? I dont care about the multiplayer so playing nothing but skirmish would be boring as all hell.

>>722992038
For sure. I wouldn't expect otherwise.

>>722992038
I'm a dev and no we are not planning on the campaign, maybe as a DLC

>>722991313
>Bulgaria
>named after the fucking nomads
>founded by Slavs
>Novogrod
Norse
>Ruretenia
the fuck do you mean even? Ruthenia? You mean the duchies founded by the Norse?

oh and duchy of moscow was founded by a a rurikid prince so not slavs either

>>722991169
I liked HOMM7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2_ibQSI56U

>>722990932
Wonder if the enemy retaliates after being hit with overwatch. Would be cool on hydra as soon as anyone tries to leave - boom everyone around gets hit.

Anyone else feel like the models are huge in battle? attacking a dragon palace or whatever its called just turns the battlefield into a blobby mess

>>722991313
Literally half of those were founded by Rurikid dynasty and Bulgaria is well known for being founded by the Bulgars, an iranic tribe retard

>>722992351
By this point rurkids were fully slavicized.
>but muh what about genetic
Doesn't matter.Not to mention at this point rurkids were merging with slavic nobles for generations.

>>722991942
At least they've appropriately named Challenges and the game states as such in some descriptions. They should point better on how to do all the things it asks, like swapping units or kiting strategies. It's not clear at all for new players and UI is wack in many places.

>>722992489
I want them bigger, actually. Or at least a close up inspect when you hire them, it's hard to see all the details.

The leveling up system is a bit complicated, especially when you choose spells.

>>722992575
genes absolutely matter Ivan
>b-but they lived there for generations!
so in 2050 you will call Arabs Frenchmen? Also
>east slavs
>having their own nobles
lmao

>>722973949
>78% on Steam.
What the fuck are you talking about

>>722992692
What's complicated about it? Felt fairly simple to me, maybe I can help clear up any issues?

Western Europeans such as Germanics, Celts, Meds
>warrior cultures
eastern europeans
>literally punching bags, never had empires, to this day nations of passive bitches

>>722992832
When a hero level up you can choose experience and if you do that there's like nightshade, divine abilities and if you click yes you have no idea how to drag those abilities over to your spellbook or whatever.

Is there a way to turn off ai battle results? I like fighting my own battles

>>722992610
yeah but if you are going by name than, there is only one tutorial mission, the one where the game teaches you that clicking makes a unit move

>>722993007
You hit Spellbook and look at what Circle spells you have. Generally you need advanced Nightshade to learn Circle 3, 4 and 5 Nightshade spells. Nightshade is mostly debuffs. My favorite is Twilight which when leveled enough disables every Shooter's ranged attacks in the enemy army for two turns. It also has spells like Berserk, Web, Vulnerability etc.
Summon Starchild is pretty damn good at high Spellpower too.

> a cow with mushrooms growing on it
WTF is this King's Bounty shit