Thread 722958387

im afraid this is the only part of the game i had to cheese by sticking to a wall and attacking only when safe, the alternative of praying to RNG and retrying the WHOLE fucking gauntlet after dying 10 seconds into the round and getting crumbs of understanding of this enemy pattern is just not worth it

look forward to the area later that's 3 gauntlets like this in a row (if you die at one you need to start all over)

>>722958631
you gotta be joking

>>722958387 (OP)
or you could go "huh, if it's this hard maybe it's for later" and do one of the sidequests that gets you an NPC ally

>>722958787
I did, i tried it around 10 tries, got mad and left, explored all of the citadel i had left and claimed two other melodies, which took me around 10 hours, unfortunately i didnt complete these questline lines because garmond showed up only two times for me and shakra didnt appear in the citadel at all, she was standing in the mount fay all the time, which i completed just before killing the final boss

>>722958387 (OP)
How many times am I going to see this same exact imagery?

>>722959130
actually i completed it before attempting lace 2, misremembered

use your tools

>>722959260
Tools were used, bundles were consumed, felt like they dealt no damage at all

>>722958387 (OP)
lol no refunds

>>722959645
i pirated the game

>>722959676
how many russian/chinese viruses came with that?

>>722958762
no, is "necessary" for the true ending. In theory there are 4 arenas + boss, but theres a shortcut after the 3rd one so if you die is only 1 + boss

>>722959885
0

>>722960010
well.. that sounds horrible but a shortcut is nice, i still dont get team cherry obsession with gauntlets in this game

>>722960226
you can believe that

>>722960010
There's 4 bosses you can fight but the true ending only needs 3, you can ignore the whole gauntlet

>>722960325
of the 3, i think that boss isnt really worth skipping, specially when other boss is far harder.

if you have the needle upgraded to max level, is really "easy" to do. specially if you use the clawline against the flying enemies.

>>722958387 (OP)
shitter filter
you got filtered, shitter

>>722960310
my pc is more of a hazard any virus can wish itself to be

>>722958762
It's not nearly as bad as high halls

>>722960961
you don't have viruses, remember.

>>722959512
how many upgrades do you have for tool pouch (both damage and capacity) and which tools were you using?

Pathetic

I'm a shitter and I beat it first try by doing it as the last thing in Act 2

>>722958387 (OP)
Just use the fucking tacts and cogflies you dumb shitter
Tacts fuck over any enemy that's on the ground

>>722961321
>tacts
based songmaxxer

>>722961158
2 capacity upgrades, 1 damage upgrade, i had curveclaw and piercing pin

>>722960946
I dont think so, this is just not a really good design, and appeared only once in the game (yet)

>>722961949
>anything I die to isn’t designed well

People who think like you are why the industry is where it’s at right now.

>>722961321
Cogflies? how? i got 3 parts of the cogheart but it got used to awaken some automaton, tacs i havent had a chance to buy them yet, i was always out of rosaries and returning to deep docks was the last thing i wanted to do

>>722962097
Tacks are a quest in Sinners Road.

Use silk skills. You can hit both at the same time with the default spear or safely thread storm one from above and pogo or even more safely just spam rune rage from wherever you want because they're huge and will easily eat a few.

>>722962084
Have i said that? You might be retarded, i admit i was raped by lace 2 for the good 3 hours and had to switch to reaper to beat her and i was mad as shit, but i beat her eventually fair and square, this however? this is just rng check

>>722962214
Good advice. Threadstorm obliterates here.

>>722962097
You only need a rock to make the cogflies.

>>722962097
Cogflies are in a hidden room in high halls.

>>722962232
No. It is not an RNG check mouthbreather. You’re just slightly worse at tracking two bouncing targets than one, which isn’t even a weird problem to have.

Both of those enemies are speedblitzable. If anything, it’s a pop quiz to remind you that you should be using your silk to hurt things. Frequently.

>>722962193
Are they? I remember the vendor in deep docks said she could upgrade and sell me them, i was wrong then. Is it the guy sitting in a cell thats gives you this quest? If so i wont be getting tacks then because he said he doesnt want to be released

>>722961321
>Tacks and cogflies
Sorry sweaty... but you did not beat the game...

>>722962482
Nah, there are two bugs in a hovel in one of the larger sinners rooms. They’re in the top left of their tile.

you only die in this game if you're playing too aggressively
actually look at the enemies

>>722962214
I tried, but during the fight my heart was pounding like crazy so i had to save silk for the heals, plus they jump

>>722962548
>>722962548
Ignore my dumb ass. It’s actually a top rightmost little hidden hovel.

>>722962634
They jump, but are fat enough there are small spot in both top corners of the room they don’t quite fit.

If you absolutely must have a breather, use the charm that pins you to a wall cling spot and you can attach yourself to the topmost corner where they can struggle to frequently connect. It should be enough free space to heal before they line up a jump that actually collides there.

>>722962576
This is the only real advice, i figured it out myself but i couldnt bring myself to learn these two giant fuckers, the panic was overwhelming

>>722962665
Damn so every cool thing in the game is hidden in some remote corner of a shitty location, cool.

>>722958387 (OP)
If a game doesn't play fair, why should you?

>>722961863
I did the math. you should be able to unload curved claws and take out one of Choir clappers in the last phase with no issue

>>722962786
Unfortunaly i had to do exatly that, and i consider it a cheese, but im not ashamed of it, this round is bullshit and deserves it

>>722962886
>>722962886
Tacks aren’t that bad. Can be done on a quick visit to Sinners. Honestly, it’s mostly just noticing the hovel that is the bitch. The quest itself is pretty simple. Collect ten of the roach dog asses for the best ground based DPS tool.

Is this the hardest boss in the game?
She took me more attempts than even Lost Lace.

>>722958387 (OP)
>getting crumbs of understanding of this enemy pattern is just not worth it
that's why you fight a single one first, retard

>>722962886
guess what genre you're playing. the entire premise is about go out and get lost in there

>>722962962
I disagree it is a cheese. It’s too intentional. It was a flaw left in the fight on purpose to be found. They give you a charm with the express purpose of being able to create shenanigans like this.

Same charm can be used to hang just a hair below the middle of the gate on either side of Cogwork dancers and suddenly none of their dance connects with your hit box.

>>722963032
She has so much swagger.

>>722962406
How is it weird? One of the clappers is easy enough because of huge downtimes and slow windups, two of them closes the weakness of both of them since they act independent of another and can combo attacks in a way that cannot be dodged in certain situations

>>722962214
Also where do i get rune rage? i have only a spear and a storm, but spear is pretty bad

>>722963032
>her legs and arms are thinner than Hornet's
Ohnono, Hornet is a fatass.

>>722963151
They have a blindspot. They’re both too fat to hit the topmost corners of the room with any frequency.

>>722962927
Maybe, but at that point i had no shards left, and used all the bundles except for the statuette

>>722963329
Time to break out the straw hat and pitchfork. You’ve got due diligence to do. Unpleasant but important.

>>722958387 (OP)
Nigger, unironically use your tools and your silk spells. They will only ever attack one at a time and all of their attacks are highly punishable. Use silk spear and you'll need 9 hits or less to kill both.

>DLC adds Godhome
>one of the rooms is just the High Halls gauntlet
>every enemy is voided

>>722963084
Im not mad at getting lost, im annoyed that the "meta" tools that everyone uses and talks about are actually hidden and unless you hit every single wall like a maniac you have a pretty low chance of finding them, especially since that location sucks BALLS and you want for it get over quickly so you might miss the secret wall or a conpicuous ledge on a ceiling hidden by fabric or garbage which you might have found otherwise

>>722963430
They actually CAN sync or stagger more or less depending on your luck with their cycles. Has some variance.

But you’re still fucking right. The best way out is through. Silk Spear and Threadstorm were made for these sorts of problems.

>>722963068
fighting one clapper vs fighting two is a completetely different matter, especially since you have to fight multiple sets of enemies between the two

>>722963086
Half agree, but if you look at their maces during a jump attack or a massive aoe attack you can CLEARLY see their maces touching your model, but not your hitbox, if this is intentional, that is stupid, but really fortunate for me and people like me who struggle with them

>>722963604
These little fuckers are out of the way, sure, but they’re not that bad. They are close to being the only thing of interest in that room. There is no wall knockout, just noticing that the rooms platforming puzzle has more too it than just what led to a room exit.

>>722958387 (OP)
Conch cutter literally shreds these fat asses
Get them both on one side and unleash that shit

>an enemy
>very simple design
>predictable movements
>put two of them in a room
>start freaking out instead of stay composed
>*gets hit*
>starting to panic
>can't no longer contain my anxiety. the pressure finally is getting to me
>AAIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>I'M GOING RUSH MOOOODOOOO
>MIKE-SAN WATCH ME DO THIS!!! HEEYAAAAA!!!!
>*gets hit again and dies*
I've seen this one before

>>722963223
Thats why i called it a cheese strat, you arent expecting to have a safe spot there, you are expected to dodge and weave between their attacks

>>722963953
Are there any instances where you would label what the enemy does against you a "cheese strat"?

>>722963604
Most of them really aren't, the most "ydnbtg" tools people talk about are tacks and cogflies with poison and all of them are easily found. Most of the good tools either come from quest rewards or are just straight up bought from vendors.

>>722963953
>you aren’t expecting to have a safe spot there

YOU didn’t expect it. Team Cherry did it on purpose. This is literally the same zone you are sold the charm that sticks to one spot on a wall. That charm can be used to simplify both that Gauntlet and Cogwork Dancers (lol) and it’s not even tough to find the safe positions in those fights.

>>722963386
Grinding? fuck no, ive had that enough in other games, but grind in a story driven game like silksong? Thats awful. I went through the game without grinding (unless one calls retrying a boss for hours a grind) and bought only what i could buy.

>>722963943
He speaks truth.

>>722963430
Their hitboxes are too big so unless you have a double jump its impossible to effectively go from one side to another, and if one does and aoe attack and the other does jump attack? you are fucked

>>722958387 (OP)
I don't get people who complain about difficulty after a long amount of time playing Silksong. I finally understand why the devs brush off the difficulty concern.

Can't beat the High Halls arena? Do Shakra's quest to gain her as an ally and cheese it by camping on the wall with Ascension's grip while your venom Cogflies deal additional DOT

Can't beat Coral Tower? Literally just be patient, use venom cogflies, and quick heal with the injector synergized with quick silk gain using wanderer's crest + long claw. You unlock a permanent shortcut to the fourth arena anyway after the third one.

In fact, most of the late game fights can be easily beaten with fully upgraded tool pouch/damage, fully upgraded needle, venom cogflies, wanderer's crest + long claw and injector for quick heals. Literally just do side quests and explore and you can easily beat most of the hardest parts of the game.

>>722963032
Easily beaten by unga bunga-ing her with wanderers crest, venom cogflies, and quick heals.

>>722963943
Wow.. actually that explains it. These fuckers took me 73 attempts the first time and the clappers arent any better

>>722963897
I found sands of karak only after i beat this gauntlet

>>722964489
First Anon to mention High Halls Shakra help? Holy shit. Lmfao.

This anon gets it. Shakes can quite literally do the fight FOR you.

>>722964390
They attack one at a time retard

>>722964489
In my Steel Soul run Shakra cleared this encounter without me doing anything but tossing cog flies. Never swung my nail.

>>722964193
Absolutely not, how does getting a small elevation stop the giant with a bigass mace from hitting me? That just doesnt make sense and is unintuitive, just LOOK at the fucking mace when you are clinged, it goes THROUGH YOUR HITBOX, that is either a glitch or unintentional exploit

>>722964832
>>722964832
Your tism is getting in your own way. It’s not that deep.

>>722964049
I dont think so, all enemies have some kind of counter or are at least dodgeable

>>722958387 (OP)
>im afraid this is the only part of the game i had to cheese by sticking to a wall and attacking only when safe,
How is that cheese retard?

>>722961007
It's easily worse. High Halls is a meme.

>>722963604
>and unless you hit every single wall like a maniac
You realize walls that are breakable have visible cracks? Most open walls or ceilings also have visual indicators.

>>722964601
I don't like Shakra's help. The loud bitch just clutters the screen and makes tracking the enemies and projectiles more difficult. She makes the ant ambush in hunter's march actively harder

>>722963217
It's not her fault that she's genetically predisposed to obesity.

Awoo!

>>722964489
why does EVERYONE talk about shakra? did i brick my questline or what? For the WHOLE time i was in the citadel she was just chilling in mount fay and never fucking moved anywhere, she was only gone after i finished the mountain but never appeared in the citadel after i killed lace 2

>>722965018
In many fights I’m in your camp. I prefer not having her show. In this one, for the Hammer Bros, just let her do it FOR you though.

This fight IS Shakra’s one big “I help” that she can do far ya. Might as well let her.

>>722965110
Pretty sure you have to find her master before she helps you.

>>722964692
Retard you have to dodge the first attack first and by the time you dodge and try to move out of the way the second one already does an attack

If I started up 2nd Sent will he/she/it/they join me in the gauntlet without anything other setup?
Saw them at Grand Reeds hallway but nowhere else

I bet most people complaining about difficulty always heal on the ground.

>>722964871
You are fucking retarded if you think thats okay

>>722965229
Second doesn't help for that fight, no.

>>722965229
2nd Sent will turn up as rando support 3ish times before migrating to the location to finish her quest.

>>722964929
Because you are using an exploit and the enemies cannot hit you at all

>>722964981
They do, but are not easy to spot on the first glance, especially in the dark/gloomy areas

>>722965261
It’s more like I care only about the gameplay results of those interactions and much less about specific visual hang ups

>>722965110
Shakra's wish shows up on the Bellhart board, and requires you to buy all her maps, get the double jump, and get two pieces of the melody (or beat Groal) so it's understandable that most people missed her.

>>722965310
If you can hit them they can hit you. The only cheese would be using ascendant grip to cling to the top of the wall and using ranged attacks, and even then that's just using the tools available exactly how they were intended to be used

>>722965184
Well thats bullshit, she helped me in hunters march but not now? what a bitch

>>722965382
Groal can be skipped by taking Voltaic spears to the top portion of the breakable wall behind his gauntlet location and breaking the shortcut wall from the top instead of the bottom.

>>722965374
Which means you have LOOK at the walls but you don't have to whack every wall like you said. It's an IQ check mainly.

>>722963032
>wanderer mashing can just let you parry some of her melee strikes and get multiple hits in at times
>when she gets stunned and goes to her next phase she just sits there and tanks about 10 melee strikes from me
>saving tools for phase 3 and just focusing on reacting and dodging whatever she does
Still took about half an hour of attempts, but I was kind of surprised how easy she was for me. I heard some people say they were stuck for hours or days.

>>722965379
You completely ignore the fact of the attack going through your model/hitbox, where in any other situation they would hit

>>722965512
Yes but the trigger for her wish to appear is to beat Groal (or get two pieces of the melody), not find the Soul. This has already been tested and datamined. The reason for this is because clearing up Groal's arena results in a shorter and safer path from the Ducts bellway than going up from Bilewater's.

>>722965512
Unintended. At this point you could just use mods.

>>722965589
I’ve seen what it looks like under the hood. It’s silly looking. I know Hornets hit box is a little green box and not her actual shape. So I don’t worry about near misses looking funky.

If the hit boxes WERE to touch, I’d take a hit, but they only look like they’d touch. Well it doesn’t matter what it looks like it’s doing, only what is actually happening to the hit box. Which is a miss in these cases.

>>722965382
Damn. Also she refuses to sell the map of slab but i probably need to find the apostate key first

>>722965645
Ah, good info. Thanks.

>>722965706
Fuck your opinion.

>>722965762
You have to skin a dead bug to get a map of the Slab

>>722965762
>map of slab
It's one of the ones you find

>>722965395
But they CANT hit you, thats the exploit, even if you dont have the grip you have plenty of space to constantly jump up to regain altitude and when its safe to pogo of of them and return back to the wall

>>722965762
She doesn't sell that map. Mosslands, Marrow, Deep Docks, Far Fields, Wormways, Hunter's March, Greymoor, Bellhart, Shellwood, Blasted Steps, Sinner's Road, Mount Fay, Sands of Karak, and Bilewater.

>>722965847
This fuckin retard is worried about showing the hammer NPCs fuckin fairness in a fight lmfao.

>>722963329
Just buy more bundles.

>>722965885
>Wisp Thicket fills in automatically
Antiludo

>>722965514
Do you even realize what you are saying? Looking at the wall takes more fucking time then whacking it once to check for the sound queue. Retard

>>722965586
Moreso than most bosses she's designed to punish retreating. You really have to force your own pressure because she's not going to give you a window, and also a lot of players don't rely on clanking hits to protect themselves.

>>722965942
Your eyes move slower than Hornet on the screen, my bro? What

>>722963032
Just beat her today.
I got her in 5 attempts.
I felt like I was gaming for once.
Her moveset flows so nicely. Very easy to dodge in the beginning.
I play patient and no-hit her until she speeds up. In 2nd gear I either spam silk moves or healspam, depending on how well I'm dodging. For the finale, I just dump my entire tool inventory and hope I can out-DPS her, because she switches up faster than I can dodge.
If that truly was the hardest part of the game, wrapping up 100% should be no sweat.

Let me guess - wanderers crest while using neither your tools nor your silk skills

>>722966065
I also always heal on the ground and I don't use clawline.

>>722965941
I think Wisp Thicket was originally supposed to be a sub-area of Greymoor, you can see its biome around Yarnaby's house. Even when they officially separated it, they probably thought it was too small for its own map.

>>722965739
And they should touch, there is no reason for them not to touch, this cheese goes against the encounter spirit, it shouldnt have safe spots, yet it does, and thats an exploit of progamming mistake

>>722958387 (OP)
>i had to cheese by sticking to a wall and attacking only when safe
That's not cheesing. The Forum has lots of ways to take it on, including asking Shakra or Garmond for help with it. Silksong is designed to give you a fuckload of options for what to do, and Hornet herself isn't principled enough to only use her needle. She uses whatever she can get.

>>722966164
"ydnbtg"fags continue to be undefeated in retard contests

>>722965917
If the devs arent fair to me by dropping rng check at my feet why should i be worried about using a cheese?

>>722965926
Out of rosaries

>>722966296
pay 2 play

>>722965512
They patched that earlier this week

>>722958387 (OP)
Beat it in two tries, wasn't really hard. Also why are so many people complaining about these, the colosseum in the first game was longer and the last challenge was far harder than the high halls.
>>722958631
That was fun, beat it first try though. Shame it isn't repeatable.

Hearing all the Silksong complaints is making me start to wonder if I am actually good at video games... it wasn't that hard. I didn't even do that Godhome stuff in the first game.

>>722966296
A single Reed run will get you enough rosaries for four or five bundles.

>>722966164
With talk like that, you’d have inevitably designed a worse encounter than Team Cherry. You’re just pantomiming what you think good design talk is.

You’d have fit in at Ubisoft.

>>722966005
You are trolling at this point. When you are playing the game you are looking at one of the three things - the character, the enemies, or the platforming you need to jump to, not the fucking walls. You have to go out of your way to look at the wall, focus on it, think for a few seconds, and then decide to whack or not to whack while just whacking a wall that looks instantly suspicious takes less than a second

>>722966374
Real patience is rarer today then when some of us where younger anons.

>>722966065
No, not even close, hunters crest, i use threadstorm to kill the small enemies regularly, and if that doesnt help or an enemy is flying or if im on low health i use the poisoned curveclaw

>>722966212
The problem is unlike hk the map is huge af and getting from point A to point B for recruiting them/getting tools/spools/masks is often a chore. Take Shakra, the quest to get her to help is not easy at all. Even if you say “use tools”, every tool outside of the cogflies has some learning curve, and wasting shards learning is not peak satisfaction.

>>722966132
You are mocking, but i didnt know about the flying heal until after i killed grandmother silk and watched a youtube video after, and clawline is given way too late when your general figthing style is already ironed out, so adding another tool to master is a big ask

>>722958387 (OP)
Difficulty should NEVER N E V E R be a fucking thing in games.
Games are make for relax, having a difficulty such as this is NOT relax and very stress inducing.
Games should be a gentle and enjoyable experience that doesn't punishing or wasting a player time EVER.

>>722966229
Clarify

>>722966065
What's wrong with Wanderer and a focus on good needle work? I beat Silksong with basically that set up.

>>722966212
It is a cheese

>>722966414
I wont commit to grinding in a story game even if you put a gun to my head>>722966420

>>722966837
This post was made by a mouse.

>>722966796
If a game like Silksong is about scraping together as much power as you can and using all methods to achieve your goals, then complaining about "cheese" and "encounter spirit" goes against the spirit of the game and is just nerfing yourself for no reason.

>>722966420
Oops. tagged by accident, anyway, no i dont think so. I would be fine with not calling it a cheese if the enemy's weapon DIDNT GO TROUGH YOUR FUCKING MODEL. At any other part of the game so much as GRAZING the ass hairs of beastfly or anything else, it does 2 masks of damage, here the weapon through you like nothing happen and you are shtting yourself proving "uuhhh its not a cheese"

>>722966887
If you keep dying so much without tools, then the amount of time to do a single Reed run, buy shard bundles, and then go back and clear the gauntlet with tools will be less than the amount of time you'll spend banging your head against the wall trying the same thing over and over.

I first tried this. Now this nigger groal can suck my nuts.

>>722967082
Again, it would be FINE if the enemy's ACTUALLY couldnt hit you, like if there was a platform or something, that wouldnt be a cheese, thats would be using a terrain to your advantage, maybe you could force one of them on the platform so you can get a few hits on the other one, but using a wall to cling to become completely untouchable just by the virtue of the wonky hitboxes is an exploit and will be called as such

>>722966887
No offense but you only need to grind if your doing poorly in a fight. I struggled with this area as well. But getting rid of the silk stealers help and you can get the map maker to fight with you as well. But ultimately kill everything silk dash through the fatties a few times and throw down like 4 tacks and you should basically cheese that end part. But I've done it with tools and with out

>>722967110
Do you consider dash cancelling Beast pogo cheese? It accomplishes roughly the same, though it’s execution heavy.

If you aren’t familiar, You use the timing of the pogo impact grace period invuln to dash cancel through the enemy hit box to switch sides by passing through their hit box. If you master the timing you can yo-yo left and right of the foe incredibly fast and hopefully almost never with your hit box available to actually touch.

Basically beast pogo outgoing hit box is really close to your incoming hit box, which means you are pogoing closer to enemies than any other crest. Pogo itself makes you effectively intangible for a few frames though so if you can get back to neutral quick enough you can dash through a foe before that intangibility ends.

>>722967346
Incorrect. Using tools only helps if you can already reliably dodge attacks, if i would go to grind to then go to buy shards to then return, i would get ass kicked because i learned fucking nothing expect that i wasted my tools

>>722958631
If you're talking about the crust guy then you unlock a shortcut at the end of the third one that lets you skip them.

>>722967391
Throw bombs in his mouth.

>>722967584
Using tools helps you by killing things before you need to dodge anything.

>game gives you literal npcs to help in the fight
>game journalists still cry about it
Seriously, I did this my first try and couldn't believe people were crying about it.

>>722967873
I also did Widow on my third try and found her easy, some ppl did her first try. Yet others were crying about how hard she is and saying “wait till widow” to those crying about pre-nerf sister splinter (who I had more trouble with). I summoned Shakra and essentially neg-diffed the high halls arena with cogflies and her, but I can see why it’s hard for others. Get it to your moid head that different ppl might find the same things you one-tapped to be difficult

>>722967502
I dont know how to get rid of the silk stealers, i learned that i bricked my map maker quest by doing progression the way it wasnt intended, i dont know what a silk dash is, i havent found the tacks. Out of tools i have about a dozen but only bothered to use curveclaw. I was doing very poorly in this fight, the enemies are tough and unpredictable, but i was getting the hang of it one step at the time, until the double clappers round came and every time i died within 20 seconds, after a few dozen of attempts i decided to use the cheese, during my last attempt i breezed through all the smaller enemies taking damage only two or three times, only when it came to clappers i had to resort to the cheese because otherwise i wouldnt be able to kill them

>>722967551
I am not familiar, but that sounds like an exploit, not a cheese. A cheese usually doesnt require much effort

>>722967835
Ha, thats funny. They have a shit ton of hp

>>722968050
Alright. Let’s hear it anon.

Which ones do you think are fair to call “Wall Bosses”?

In my opinion, Dark Trobbio and Karmelita are as close to as good as we get.

Seth is also a safe shoe in as “Proffesional shit kicker”. I would have never guessed a boss just forward blocking all the time could be that menacing.

>>722966146
I think my favorite part of wisp thicket is that Father of the flame is technically on the upper part of Bellhart, so not only were they haunted and then also tortured into a coma by Widow but they also had a cult's demi god effigy on their ceiling, place was fucked

>>722967689
I did, I hit him with 16 poison conch cutters and he didn't even go to phase 2

>>722967873
It impossible to know for sure how to get shakra to help, i bought every map she had and she didnt help, apparently you need to return to bellhart after that and take her quest, which i missed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZRVonVrVuU
>(chatter) [sic] can't pick three in silksong, i.e. you can't pick between three choices in Silksong
>(NL) wrong you can pick 3 bugs to fuck
>only hard part for the average Silksong player is narrowing it down to 3
Well, is he right?

>>722968278
I agree with you, would probably add broodmother and groal, the latter needs the assistance of redditoids to figure out that there’s a secret bench, there’s a temporary swamp immunity item, and that getting eaten with wanderer’s crest is a reliable cheese to dmg the boss

>>722968050
Widow wasnt really hard, took me about 5 tries, but sister splinter? cmon isnt she a mini boss? she has like 3 attacks total and is extremely easy to dodge, just kill the vines she spawns before she reapears and thats that

>>722968550
Easy. Hornet, Lace, Karmelita.

>>722968214
>>722968214
I don’t think it is a bug. It’s just timing. It is just a fact that her normal, unbuffed movespeed means she can line animations up and launch herself such a way.

The window of invuln is minuscule. You could, for example, use this trick on Savage Beastfly fine but you couldn’t use it to cross the distance of a Hammer Bros AoE. There is just a hard limit to how much you can move before your window to freely reposition ends. You have right up until Hornets finishes about half her “pogo flip” recovery. Once her legs start their journey back towards the floor during the flip she is tangible.

Not only this, but it seems the conditions to do it regularly is pretty much exclusively Beast Crest. Wanderer attacks fast enough you would think this logic is applicable but Hornets position and movement direction won’t line up for Wanderer. This is something that can be used as a benefit of Beasts super horizontal down attack animation.

>>722968403
father of the flame is a really fun boss, the only challenge is figuring out that you cannot double jump if you are holding down

>>722968593
Bruh that’s the point, you will find different things difficult or easy or whatever. Others will find both difficult, still others will one tap both bosses. It’s all over the place and at this point I’ve seen every single entry on the spectrum of difficulty for almost all pre-Act 3 bosses in this game. And that’s the problem: there is no consistent, reliable difficulty scaling on bosses or gauntlets or whatever

I spent 70 hours playing this game and I cant remember a single track besides Lace and Clockwork Core

>>722968698
yep thats absolutely an exploit. fits the definition perfectly

>>722968559
So Karmelita, Dark Trobbio, Seth, Groal and the Foo Fighters, then Broodmother.

I can get behind that. 5 isn’t a bad count for bosses that get a little real for a change.

Stings not to be able to count GMS here though. I hope her inevitable souped up redux is pure hell.

>>722968848
Shellwood, Moss Grotto, whatever the hell plays during Moss Mother, Lace, Phantom, Karmelita, Last Judge, Songclave, Belhart (pre-void), High Halls, Verdania, Bilewater and Coral Tower for me.

The problem is that there’s so many forgettable areas with shitty ambience replacing music. Nobody’s looking up the fucking Marrow theme. And two of the areas and one of the bosses being in temporary areas don’t help either. I doubt I’ll remember this game’s OST like with hk where I knew almost every track by name

>>722968815
I think the problem is that the progression is too varied, it would be much better if it was more pronounced when you are outmatched, and the game already does it, sorta, there are muliple instances where you can see a platform or a ledge that is just right 2 of your regular jumps and you immediately understand "oh i can return here later" when other areas you can traverse and complete even underpowered but are aswell expected to return later when you are stronger

>>722969298
True, I mean…
>laughs and then cries in hunter’s march

>>722967873
>game gives you literal npcs to help in the fight
Game literally gives you npcs to help in the fight
Game gives you npcs to literally help in the fight

>>722969649
>go on fetch quest for npcs and ask redditoids and watch videos for guidance
Oh yeah, you totally don’t need to know what to do to find them, and the game totally tells you that this is an option.

Like, the gauntlet was fine for me but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

I'm honestly disgusting by how many people used guides for this game
Don't get me wrong I definitely checked for some hints when I got really stuck after exploring everything but it was real piecemeal and I only checked as little as possible after trying everything else.
It's one thing to look up a hint for "remember the harpoon hooks near the pinmistress" and it's another to just look up where the Mist and Bilewater is. I straight up missed like 6 areas and several tools and I would not have been able to find silk and soul on my own.
Do people not want to explore at all?

>>722970138
*heavily used

>>722970138
When game difficult and everyone tell you to explore, get tool and npc to help, and you no know where go, you look guide as you tired from boss and from work and from wife and from family and fr-

DSP did it first try, what does that say about you

>>722970312
Loser. Keep making excuses.

>>722970345
He used cogfl-

>he's out of ammo

I kneel

>>722970347
>you’ll need more than that to bait this jaded ass mine anon

>>722970345
Limmy got filtered by this fight

>>722970345
>DSP
whenever I hear about the guy, it's always "he beat Isshin in 3 tries" or "he beat the high halls in 1 try". So why is he a meme?

>>722966715
Beating GMS with parasite made me master clawline.

>>722970345
he has tools i didnt have, double jump, more silk, probably higher weapon damage..? since it took me a 20+ hits to kill each one

>>722970586
whats a parasite?

>>722970498
Isshin wasnt hard lets be real
Demon of Hatred is much harder. The same goes for most bosses in the game really
Genichiro in the midgame is more of a filter as you have to get good at the combat to reach Isshin

>>722970586
Just dash through the horizontal attack

>>722970432
My assumption is Limmy is even worse at video games than DSP

>>722970749
Why dash when you can clawline right into her body instead?

>>722970603
In other words you're both a skilllet and an explorelet

>>722970603
Getting powerups in a metroidvania is cheating!

>>722958387 (OP)
Try doing that during the speedrun achievement run. with at best only 1 nail upgrade and nothing else

>>722970839
No, i genuinely explored everything i could before attempting again

>>722970797
To have more control over your movement

>>722970951
Youre mocking, but its not thats easy to find everything, a lot of stuff is easily missable or forgotten, there are map shells however but i caught myselfs multiple times forgetting about them aswell

>>722971248
The game is just too big, it would be nice if there was some kind of journal that makes remarks on oddities such as locked doors

>>722971349
You can use your markers

>>722971394
i forget about them

>>722958631
it's optional if you do the green prince instead, his shit is easier than any of the other act 3 bosses

>>722958387 (OP)
karmelita goes down in two tries the coral tower gauntlet takes 4 hours i'm retarded

>>722972750
literally the opposite for me

>97% completion
>got the three hearts
>still haven't finished green prince quest or gone to his area
I'm sure if I look at a boss list I can also see a few bosses I've missed from Act 3 outside a few I've already done for troubles. Surprised how much more there's been left to do, been a pleasant game for the most part.

>>722973308
i just killed the two big guys in the second room and coral spawned under me in the slow mo. it's over.

>>722973816
kek

I literally finished this game 4 times
when can we expect that dlc?

>>722965586
>the fight took me half an hour using the only build that allows me to facetank everything
The rest of the players have to play the game.

>There are THREE npc questlines that can assist in the high halls gauntlet
>and yet so many people will just bash their heads up against the gauntlet while crying about it the entire way through and shitting on the game
>instead of exploring elsewhere and completing any of the aforementioned npc questlines
Explain this to me. Why are so many people apparently like this?
It's one thing if you genuinely enjoy the guantlet and challenge it for that reason. But if you clearly don't enjoy the challenge, why not explore elsewhere?

>>722975331
Three?

>>722975415
Shakra
Garmond
Second Sentinel

>>722975331
How do you get them to help? What is the requirement? I missed fighting that guy on the bug because I'd done too much by the time I realized I could fight him. Never had help in any fight from either of them.

>>722975502
Huh, I didn't know the sentinel can also be recruited for the fight. Do you have to fight him first? Is there a dialogue scene or does he wait outside the arena like Shakra?

>>722974782
>The rest of the players cannot do anything else besides Architect

>Get butt blasted by Lugoli first time I find the area
>Read some anon saying "just don't jump"
>Beat it second try
Huh, almost as interesting as just staying under Moorwing

>>722975331
That's because it's Elden Ring levels of retarded to actually trigger this shit

>they didn't use the canon crest the entire game
Ngmi

>>722977035
It's really not. Just explore

>>722958387 (OP)
>sticking to a wall and attacking only when safe
this is not cheesing what is wrong with you

>>722977120
evolved hunter the most balanced fun crest in the game. reaper is too mid and others too easy

>>722977162
>Just explore
>Explored the wrong way
>Too good and beat areas you weren't supposed to yet
>Lol oops questline broken

>>722977268
If you can't beat it with Reaper, without tools, you didn't beat it.

>>722977268
>beast
>too easy
You're coping.

>>722977493
None of the NPC questlines can be broken by exploring too early. It's not like ER where it's like super missable if you don't go to this one specific area:
>!To get Shakra's help, you need the double jump to find all the maps for the Act 2 areas. After that a wish will show up on the questboard in Bellhart.!<
>!Garmond's quest is straight up easier, you just need to explore Choral Chambers + Whispering Vaults to encounter him clearing trash mobs for you. Then you just fight him in the area just to the right of Songclave!<

>>722977493
>shits miyazaki pulls off
he literally said It's no Elden Ring. you can't brick a quest in silksong.

>>722977493
>>Lol oops questline broken
What?

>>722978015
i progressed too far in the game without even knowing whispering vaults existed and found out i was locked out of garmond fight it's just not fair

>>722977120
I would have used it if expanding the crest with memory lockets still gave you rewards from eva.
When I realized it didn't, I put it on the backburner and told myself I'd swap to it after I got enough memory lockets to fully upgrade it.
But I didn't find enough memory lockets to fully upgrade it (after all the others) until I was already at 100% completion. Kind of late I feel like.

>architect crest
>4x crafting kits
>all the nail upgrades I can get besides the fleas
>fight the gauntlet normally
>final part with the hard guys
>spam purple tacs, cogflies, spikes
>hug wall
>win
ez
they want to be bullshit, ill be bullshit back
A good 1v1 fight like trobbio I wont even use tools

>>722975331
There's nothing suggesting that you can get an NPC to help you in that fight.

>>722978436
And?
Why bash your head against the high halls if you hate it yet have tons of the game left unexplored and incomplete?
Sure, the idea that you'd get an NPC ally for the fight is not something you'd predict. But the idea that you'd be better equipped to handle the fight at a later point is just a very basic videogame fundamental.

>>722968750
>he's still playing on the release version

>>722978298
How the fuck are you even supposed to know expanding crests makes eva give you rewards?

>>722978776
she says something about expanding dong worked it out pretty easily without looking it up and i failed highschool

>>722958387 (OP)
I'm playing HK right now. Are all the bosses supposed to die after ten to twenty hits?
My nail is on its third upgrade, and I'm wearing an unbreakable strength charm.

>>722961204
It scares me how much I sound like him when I rage at games. Although I actually have a terrible controller with noticeable input delay that drops inputs, even has joystick drift so I can't enjoy 3d games with it either. Switch pro controller of course, gave my ol' reliable 360 controller to a friend when I got it

>>722978776
She says something about how you should return after you've expanded your nature or whatever. Which is kind of cryptic and indirect.
But it's not exactly nothing. And since she talks all about crests and even expands your crests. You can surmise that expanding your crests might work.
Savescum a bit, and then you'll quickly realize how eva works.

>soulsfags are insisting on beating the game "honorably"
this self-imposed challenge only gets more hyprocrite each time I'm seeing it

I was dreading fighting Lugoli again on Steel Soul but I got her on my normal run in like two tries and beat her in SS with no troubles

Shame that the multibinder doesn't clear maggots and heal though, it would've made sense

Can someone explain how you can survive long enough when 2 of these cunts appear to kill one WITHOUT TOOLS?

The only way I could get past the stage with a Maestro on either side was to immediately spam 4 or 5 sting shards into the air on one side so one died right away, then I could deal with the other one normally i.e wait for him to send out a cogfly then attack him then wait again.

I couldn't figure out a way to do it without tools.

>>722965110
Yeah but Garmond can also help you there (it's how i beat the gauntlet).

>>722958387 (OP)
There’s a save point literally right outside this room. Why are nu-gamers so bad at games nowadays?

>>722979401
It's the longest gauntlet in the game by a large margin. If you consider the stage with the dual Choir Clappers the boss, which it pretty much is, then the runback IS the entire gauntlet itself which takes several minutes to redo just so you can have another attempt at the double giants and try to get a feel for them.

I've seen pics of the pink lightning boss but I haven't fought him yet, is he in the Memorium? Must have missed him if so

What is this for?

>>722979615
Nothing yet, seemingly. There's a couple other mineral deposits in the game that appear to do nothing

>>722958387 (OP)
>im afraid this is the only part of the game i had to cheese by sticking to a wall and attacking only when safe
that's not cheesing lol

>>722979615
I think it generates an entry in the materium journal in your bellhome. Similar to the magnetite you can find inside Mount Fay.

hornet is canonically an autistic rock collector

>>722979363
Yeah, these guys are awful when there's two of them. I literally do not know what to do except drop some cogflies and tank the damage while swinging wildly. I admit I'm shit at the game though

>>722979363
Bolaris
Pet dog!

>>722958387 (OP)
stuff like this is why i'll never rate the game higher than an 8. too much un fun bullshit to make me want to come back to it the way i did with HK

>>722979759
That's the most fun part of the game thoughbealbeit

>>722958387 (OP)
While frustrating that arena was fairly easy, it only REALLY gets you the first time because the game is shit at letting you learn the enemy pattern, as you end up dying before doing so.
On my second run I basically juggled around the one big dude, tried to understand his moveset and then moved on the fight.

>want to replay the game
>don't want to do steel soul or speedrun autism
Fuark I need more

>>722979792
nah

>>722958387 (OP)
I wish the game had more arena fights. They're the best part of the game.

>>722979363
they take a while to get set up when they spawn in, so you can stand directly underneath one and spam up attacks to kill it fast. being directly under them is the safest place to be

>>722979993
Yeah you're safe from one of them, but how do you dodge the ultra fast bee attacks from the other? By endeavoring to become skilled? Preposterous

>>722958387 (OP)
>cheese by sticking to a wall and attacking only when safe

How the fuck is this cheesing?

>>722979530
The game throws a singular clapper at you mid way through the gauntlet, so saying that you have to make it through the entire gauntlet just to attempt getting a feel for them isn't true.

>>722977268
Calling Reaper mid is a compliment. It's literally the worst crest in the game.

>>722958387 (OP)
The entire game is an elaborate joke on the player. Sadly, you fell for it.

>>722980220
I got too used to it and started crying when I couldn't hit anything without the wide attack boxes so I went back to it

>>722980250
The joke starts with making you wait 6 years for it.

I beat this on like, my third attempt, with Wanderer, Poison Cogflies, and Shakra helping me.

>>722979892
>no using crest(s) you used in your first run
>no using tools you used in your first run
>deliberately enter Citadel whichever way you didn't use in the first run

some ideas

>>722959130
Shakra never appears to the citadel, to have her you have to buy all of her maps and complete her wish that spawns on bellheart.

>>722977823
It completely rapes bosses that don't move much, if you have injector band and flea brew you're basically immortal

>>722980339
What reaper can reach without Longclaw, every other crest can reach with Longclaw. If you need Longclaw on Reaper to beat a boss, you need to improve your positioning.

>>722958387 (OP)
The high halls gauntlet is great for revealing how many people are unable to recognize a wall for a wall and go explore instead. There are SO MANY WAYS to lower the difficulty of this thing, to the point that by the time I first went to it I did it first try.

>>722982897
>Just let Shakra kill everything while you cling to top corner.
>Wall

Reaper went from an average crest to shitter tier after clawline, but I do like the way It sucks

What happened to that horse bug thing in the Underworks, anyway? Did he die from exhaustion? I forgot to check on him in act 3.

>>722985104
>...Free...

>>722958387 (OP)
Bring poison tacks and cogflies, save them until these niggas show up, then start doomping them. This also applies to just about every boss with a phase 3,

I liked this game but it's clear it hasn't been playtested, I'm definitely not replaying without mods, is there any good mods that fixes the horrible balance decisions of the devs?

Hollow knight was easily modeable

>>722985104
Don't look unless you want to be sad

>>722987607
Git gud retard

>>722985595
This one I am the saddest about
We could've saved him, dammit

>>722978776
who the fuck is eva

>>722979680
its a cheese

>>722980101
Because you cannot be hit

>>722980850
literally how was i supposted to know that, i had no reason to go to bellhart at that point

>>722988782
>>722988829
Is staying beneath flying enemies that only have sideways attacks cheese too?

>>722987674
>worked his while life for nothing award

It's like an allegory or something. Feels a bit much since the devs are carefree millionaires and I'm a wagie but what can you do.

>>722988668
Nigga have you even played the game?

I have a question.
How many times do you anons die to a boss in a video game before you go on 4chan to bitch.

>>722989985
>taking a perfectly fine image for describing the degradation of fandoms and turning it into a caricature of itself because you're shit at the game
what kind of mental illness is this?

>>722990149
I'll do it in a sort of jokey way to try and muster support from fellow game-enjoyers who have beaten whatever roadblock I'm at already, from whom I can gain a sense of camaraderie. Like I'm annoyed at the boss himself, as if he's real, and then we can all agree that that particular boss is indeed a prick.

I feel like your question is more targeted at anons who will play a game, feel it's too hard, then make threads whining about the devs / the game itself because they're unwilling to push through and play the game, which is a different thing. I don't do that.

Yeah I died to trap benches. Yeah I died to Last Judge' death explosion. Yeah I died in the High Halls gauntlet. You just laugh and then continue playing the game.

>>722968132
Sorry fell asleep but the silk stealers can be removed in the room above this challenge in a secret area involving moving cart to jump up.
The tacks can be found in sinners road right of the bench and in the top right of that room a quest is given from the dudes there.

>>722979615
I dislike stuff like this. Every time I got stuck, I went around to spots like this and turns out it does absolutely fucking nothing the whole game.

this whole game is
>what the fuck were they thinking
just got to Last Judge yesterday. the whole
>you still die in three hits
8 hours in kills any feeling of rewarding progression. meanwhile, I have to chip away at the enemy for like a hundred hits to maybe get to phase two of a boss fight. it's simply tedious and not enjoyable.

>>722991502
there is an easy to find item that halves fire damage

>>722987674
Where the fuck was this guy? I never found him. Currently Act 3

>>722991502
>why can't I one-shot a boss 10 times larger than me and why can they kill me in 3 hits, at the beginning of the game

The progression feeling you're looking for will be found when you learn how to beat her. You'll feel like hot shit when you do. You think you're hot shit now but you're dog shit.

im having fun with the flea festival

>>722983645
Reaper is bad DPS but the giant swing is pretty fucking useful in a game with contact damage.

TROBBIO

>>722973957
I was like 2 seconds away from this exact situation. The relief was great. Afterwards I was kinda hoping thered be other courier quests like that

>>722977120
Hunter into Architect into Shaman

>>722992297
There is, there's like 3 others including one you can take to the Mask Maker which is supposedly the hardest one to do

>>722958387 (OP)
Shakira can help you there

>>722992393
Kek, I meant chakra

I NEED MORE FUCKING LOCKETS I WANT TO TRY SHAMAN

>>722958387 (OP)
There's a room nearby that will kill all the enemies that absorbs Silk. I've never seen a game do that before ( a way to completely eliminate an annoying enemy).
Tacks works wonder against those fat ass. Try to keep both of the on the same side.

Is long pressing jump sluggish to you guys?

>>722989174
Yes, i completed the game, who the fuck is eva?

>>722991825
The problem with the Reaper isn't only its slower attack speed. It's also the half-crescent hitbox. I've lost counts to how many times I tried to hit something slightly to my side and above ground and Reaper's second hit does a low side horizontal crescent, completely missing it and hitting below it. Similarly with upward strikes against something that's not exactly above you. The pogo has a delay and a huge hitbox, which is serviceable for platforming but during fast fights, it's very inconsistent. As someone who finished the whole game with Reaper, I can safely say it's the equivalent to the unga bunga archetype of a two handed greatsword user, but in Silksong's case, one slow hit of a two handed does the same damage per hit as a shortsword.

>>722988951
You are trolling, or, which is more likely, severely retarded. No, staying out of range of ranged enemies is not a cheese. Purposefully abusing bad hitboxes while clinging to a wall is.

GUYS GUYS, I did it after 4th try. Almost choked the final climb getting hit by the beam attack 3 times, when I usually clear it with one hit at most.

>>722990149
OP
I completed the game and took a 3 day break, im still pissed off about this gauntlet even more than Lace 2, which took me twice the ammount of time to beat, but at least lace 2 was fair

>>722993194
If you didn't beat act 3 then you didn't beat the game

>>722993194
This thing is as open ended as Dark Souls "lore", Eva can be Grandma "good" consciousness from before she got crazy or one the old realm kings/gods captured soul or the consciousness of a weaver that never got born, pick one or something completely different.

>>722990803
Yeah, some people already told me so, too bad i already killed the final boss

>dude this is not that hard, just use your tools and get the NPC help!
Did it on my second try by only spamming the needle, no tools or NPC. Is /v/ really this bad with video games?

>>722991728
honet didnt have any troubles tanking dozens of hits from the knight

>>722992643
Didnt fimd that secret, didnt find tacks either

>>722993513
How the fuck do you unlock act 3?

>>722993780
Unless you had more damage and/or double jump i dont believe you

>>722993363
Gratz anon. I still didn't deal the pantheons and probably never will.

>>722994313
I had 2 oil upgrades and double jump as anyone with average IQ.

>>722958387 (OP)
Reminder that despite what Fromsoft drones try and sell you, if you cheese the game you still best the game. They on the other hand did not beat the game unless they did it no upgrades in under 1 hour.

>>722993363
It's not for everyone for sure, I wasn't going to do it first. It took 13 hours of practicing bosses after getting 112%.

>>722994335
It's not for everyone for sure, I wasn't going to do it first. It took 13 hours of practicing bosses after getting 112%.

>>722993363
Good job, now do it with all bindings

>>722995890
no chance fellow bug bro

>Equip the "you stick to walls" tool
>Under niche circumstances that I don't really understand, it doesn't work, and I start sliding down walls even with it equipped
>I am holding the directional input, that isn't the issue
>It seems to mostly happen with short walls, like the really short vertical platforms on the road to the surface
What button and am I mcfucking pressing wrong to trigger this but on such an inconsistent basis? It's insanely frustrating. Is your wall stickey somehow tied to how much monentum you hit the wall at, like it only triggers if you impact with enough speed? I swear to God it feels like the controls in this game just don't fucking work properly sometimes.

>>722996539
>Is your wall stickey somehow tied to how much monentum you hit the wall at, like it only triggers if you impact with enough speed?
Yes but the other way around. The trade-off with that tool is that you slide down if you hit the wall with downward momentum. You'll slowly stop, but if the wall is short enough you'll fall off even if you're pressing toward the wall. Think of it as that one cliche where some guy has a knife or pickaxe or claws and digs into a wall to slow himself down.

>>722997056
That's fucking stupid.
>Think of it like a guy digging his rappel into the mountain
Think of it more like Hornet is literally a fucking spider and can logically grab into walls. The controls in this game are dogshit. Durrrr if the game responded to your inputs in a reasonable and responsive way it would be to erm chuddie too easy I guess. Faggot fucking devs.

>>722994528
If you needed to cheese the game to proceed or finish it, not only you didn't beat the game, but you played against yourself and lost. It's like paying to play a game of pool table and you picked up the balls with your hand and put them into the holes to win.

>>722972750
The gauntlet and Khan was one of the only things I first tried in this game

>>722975331
Because not everyone is a guide using faggot crybaby like you
People go there early with 2 nail upgrades as most and 6 masks and they tough it out instead of looking online for an easy solution
Because you aren’t meant to explore the entire map first you gorilla nigger

>>722997269
I bet you played all game with Wanderer. You didn't beat it, either.

>>722997394
>Because you aren’t meant to explore the entire map first
It's a Metroidvania, if you're not exploring as much as possible then you didn't beat the game.

>>722958387 (OP)
>>722977120
A hunter player would have had no issues on this part.

>>722997492
If you reached a challenge and left to get stronger before completing it you have not beat the game.

Using tools?
Bitch move
Using guides?
Bitch move
Quitting out?
Bitch move
Using bitch crests?
You guessed it
Conclusion?
You didn’t beat the game

>>722997696
Nigger this is TAS and you know. You ragebaiting piece of shit. And yes, i was playing with hunter

I dumped all my spike trap things where one of them spawned and it insta killed. Then the fight was just against one.

>>722997492
There is nothing stopping you from beating High Halls except skill. You acquire skill by challenging the fight again and again until you win. Anyone who’s not a weak mental bitch would thus keep at it instead of putting it off and looking up help online
You don’t need to explore the map in metroidvanias unless you physically can’t progress due to lacking an upgrade
I have infinitely more respect for people who got stuck and toughed it out after 2 hours than people who “found” Shakra from their guide, spammed tools and sat up in the corner while Shakra did their work for them

>>722958387 (OP)
What an idiot filter this gauntlet was. They literally take turns attacking, it's not hard.

>>722997407
I beat it without Wanderer, didn't have to. It took the fun out of every fight. If I want to be rewarded by spamming 1 single button, I'll go play a cookie clicker.

>>722998034
Counterpoint: it's a Metroidvania so your opinion doesn't matter

>>722998478
You are a bitch and nobody respects you
You will never accomplish anything in your life

>>722998034
>>722997394
People will really post shit like this silksong threads while simultaneously shitting on soulsfags for being tryhards kek

>>722958787
if it was too hard but still fun then people would enjoy beating their head against the wall until they give up. As it is you beat your head against the wall for a bit but don't enjoy any of it because it's awful to play. Then you decide yeah this is too hard for me right now and you go somewhere else but the entire experience leaves a terrible taste in your mouth

>>722998545
I played the game as intended, you didn't. Cry more.
I can't imagine wanting to speedrun a game like this and only do the bare minimum. No enjoyment in your life at all.

>>722962084
there comes a point where too much shit on the screen makes it impossible to win without good rng and the more you toe that line the closer you get to something being badly designed. Sure there aren't a lot of enemies to where it feels like a bullet hell of enemies but in bullet hell games all of the bullets have (or should have) recognizable patterns. Here you get like 3 or 4 enemies with a variety of attacks and annoying AI that it can very much become a complete luck dependent mess of a fight unless you play it a certain way (like with the two flying guys how spawn the cogfly type things around them if you don't do thread storm almost immediately as they spawn then that whole wave is basically just completely awful to fight against). It's not that the gauntlet is impossible or too hard or whatever, it's that for many people (maybe not for you since you're obviously an ELITE GAMER) it crosses that line from being a "predictable" bullet hell of enemies that you can counteract and fight as they come into a complete mess of shit on your screen that just isn't fun to play against. When everyone keeps posting this example as bad design then maybe it's time to realize that it might not just be because everyone is a complete shitter and that MAYBE just maybe it actually is badly designed

>>722997394
>you aren’t meant to explore the entire map first

Nice headcanon, retard.

>Literally the only thing left to do in Act 2 was explore the Putrified Ducts so I can move the fleas, finish Bilewater, and do the High Hall Gauntlet
>Die because a fucking fly + hanging trap
>Steel Soul run gone
Fuck bros.
Next time I will be abusing Cogflies in this fucking area, do they attack the traps as well?

>>722971248
ummm ur supposed to play with a guide bro

>>722999461
If you mean the barnacles, the cogflies can actually get eaten by them.

>>723000049
FUCK

>today I will help Hornet reach me and wake me by trapping the Bell Beast
>I will also use the haunted bugs to stop her from reaching me
????????

>>723000608
I think she's in a weakened state when Hornet wakes her up ?

>>722970839
How are you supposed to know you've missed something you don't know exists? Do you people play with a guide?

>>722958387 (OP)
I was fine with everything up until this part. This gauntlet is objectively bad game design.

>>723001382
No, he means that it's silly how the bell beast heart cutscene heavily implies that GMS wants you to reach her and wake her up, then she spends the rest of the game summoning minions to kill you

Why cant she make her own rosaries ?

>>723002640
No fingers

>>723002640
>Can't cling to walls without charms
>Has no venom or paralysis
>Teeny baby silk reserves compared to her relatives
>Only 4 legs
Hornet is the shittiest spider to ever exist

>>723002941
>can't even walk on water

>>722964498
wtf. takes like 5 tries most. their patterns are easy. that red motherfrucker karamelita on the other hand is jsut plain unfair

>>722964489
>This encounter isn't hard, you "just" need to 100% the rest of the game so far and unlock everthing first

>>722966505
Testing patience rather than skill is just tedium

>>723003259
Karmelita is just red pure vessel. pogo her to death. up and back and up and back and up and back and up and back and up a

I didn't use tools at all apart from the quest where you need to use them.

>>723003357
Define skill

>>723003372
i didnt play hollow knight so i don't know any of those bosses. i beat her eventually but it took me almost a week of many attempts each day. it was actually so bad that i had no motivation left to do lost lace and just quit after doing all the remaining quests

>>722958762
The gauntlets are all much easier than high halls but yeah it's still annoying

>>722958387 (OP)
I beat it on my second try. I think I just got really lucky. I feel like I should have died to the double minibosses.

High Halls this, High Halls that. Fuck High Halls. You know what's the actual fag zone? Pic related. This whole part of the map is seriously one of the most obnoxious areas of any videogame I've ever played. Holy shit its so annoying.

>>722958387 (OP)
Architect crest + plasmium for infinite self heal and spam tools like every other gauntlet. I didn't even know this was supposed to be hard until I heard complaints.

>>722997269
"Cheese" is incompetent developers who can't balance their games not making enemies smart enough to take into consideration tactics that the player can use. You beat the game and if it wasn't fun it was the devs' fault for not making enemies smarter.

>>722961863
Isn't this literally the last area of act 2 before going to fight the final act 2 bosses? Aren't you supposed to already have all tool upgrades at this point? I mean, I know you can technically do it early but why if you're strugging?

>>723002941
Actually she has 6, you can see her sprouting 2 more arms during the weaver queen ending

>>723003876
Unless you grind for rosaries its virtually impossible to have all the tools and upgrades by that point, and i refuse to grind

>>723003868
You haven't played many video games then. That shit was easy.

>>722958631
Coral Tower was so easy compared to how you pussies talked about it. High Halls however the last phase was my only cheese moment in the game where I ran away and spammed saw blades until one died.

Wait you all had problems with High Halls and the Arena? LMAO. Next you'll tell me Beastfly was hard

>>722993363
did you have an orgasm?

>>723006213
Beastfly is the hardest boss in the game because it took me 7 tries to beat. Meanwhile it took me 3 tries for Karmelita and 4 tries for Lost Lace.

>>723006401
Beastfly is a fucking joke. Raging Conch Fly took longer and the runback is AIDS.

>anons tell me to stick it out until Act 2 because it gets better
>can only see 1/10th of the screen for the next hour or two
ya, I got memed thinking this overhyped would ever git gud. Team Cherry got filtered by my Immaculate Taste. they're going on the Slop Devs List.

>>723003876
>they didn't install a glass screen above the pool table to prevent me from picking up the balls with my hands
>that means they let the cheese on purpose
>incompetent developers