Thread 722962165

games that are so good that they might as well be the only thing to come out of their respective franchise because everything else looks like shit in comparison

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Adventure 2 would have been better bait.

>>722962165 (OP)
Sonic is a trilogy.

Sonic adventure 1, Sonic Adventure 2, and Sonic Unleashed.

rush, 06 and black knight are optional for lore purposes

>>722962363
adventure 2 is significantly worse, the only reason people pretend its better or good is because of the characters/story
1/3 of the game, sonic/shadow, are great
1/3 as tails/eggman are fun at times, but much worse than the speed stages
1/3 as knuckles/rouge are atrocious, they completely kill the pace and just feel like chores

What makes this game so good?

>>722962165 (OP)
2 is also pretty good, but yes every 3D sonic after the adventure games looks like ass in comparison. Sonic should have died after it went third party, because Sega clearly gives no shits about it.

>>722962380
>Sonic Unleashed.
Not good.

>>722962468
gamplay is fun, music is incredible, cutscenes are memorably super janky, very charming game overall
unlike adventure 2, sonic team was well aware that you really only care about sonic, so most of the game has you playing as sonic. The other characters/stories are completely optional and short but sweet. The low point of the game is big the cat, but if you know what you're doing it's like 30 minutes max
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fo__Sh0nIg

>>722962463
>1/3 of the game, sonic/shadow, are great
I'm going to disagree since those stages are way too linear and the shadow levels feel a big step down from the sonic ones. The gameplay changes also makes moving the speed characters a lot more clunky and the physics isn't as good at using shortcuts. SA1 has better levels, physics, and better controlling sonic

>>722963193
>The other characters/stories are completely optional and short but sweet.
This is flat out wrong, you have to beat the game with all 6 characters to get the final sonic chapter and battle. While sonic has the most stages (10) there are 32 in total, so you still spend roughly a third of the game playing him. Similar to sonic/shadow being 1/3rd of SA2.

>>722963340
sure, for the super sonic stage you need to beat them, but they aren't absolutely needed like they are in adventure 2
>While sonic has the most stages (10) there are 32 in total, so you still spend roughly a third of the game playing him.
this would be true if every stage were equal, but some stages are super short. The non-sonic stages are shorter, and you can easily beat some of tails' stages in seconds even if it's your first try. Big and knuckles have super short stages too

>>722962463
Shadow sonic levels aren't even that good unfortunately
Adventure 2 really kinda sucks compared to 1 gameplay wise
But yes the story and characters are leagues ahead any other sonic game

>>722962463
people pretend its better because of the music (main theme) and that its sold for cheap everywhere

>>722963667
people hyped up big so much as this big drag on the game i was surprised i finished his story in like 20 mins

>>722962463
adventure 1 only has sonic and tails as good characters though

>>722962165 (OP)
That's not Sonic Adventure 2 Battle doebeit

>>722962463
Shadow has two good stages and then the other two are meh. All the Tails stages are meh but all the Eggman stages are good. Knuckles and Rouge aren’t fun in SA2 thanks to the gimped radar and the levels get huge compared to 1. The bosses in 2 are better but still aren’t good since Sonic bosses are rarely ever actually good. Super Sonic and Super Shadow vs. Final Hazard is better than Perfect Chaos because while Perfect Chaos actually had platforming, it was still just a spectacle fight and the spectacle with Final Hazard was way more spectacular. Especially because the main theme doesn’t go away midway through.
SA1 is fun as Sonic Tails Knuckles and E102, but Amy kinda sucks and Big is Big the Cat. At least Big’s story is short. There’s also the open field areas which I don’t mind though on replays it’s kinda just padding.

>>722965856
>Knuckles and E102
No.

>>722962463
I like the Knuckles/Rouge stages and regularly replayed them just for fun.

It's just a collectathon like most other 3D platformers. But with the radar and hint element for added mystery.

the fact that mad space is in sa2 immediately makes it infinitely worse than sa1. I'd rather play every knuckles stage again than that shit

I like both sa1 and sa2 equally. To me one game is not better than the other. They both shit on every other 3d sonic hand in hand.

>>722965965
E102 is fun shooting run and gun gameplay and knuckles stages aren’t nearly as dumb as SA2s. You can finish them in around 3 mins on a first time run.

>>722966194
They were ass.

>>722966194
>it's fun because it's really easy
Opinion invalid

>>722966471
Knuckles and Rouge in SA2 sucked because they took forever and the radar didn’t work. You had giant maps that were also the first time you saw them while in SA1 you saw a lot of the areas as Sonic so you’d already know what the hints were talking about.

>>722966559
I had fun with it and have replayed sa2 around 20 times. You just like it easy and quick which is fine

>>722962380
>rush
Based

>>722967491
>and replayed SA2 20 times
And that’s it. Not a problem if you’ve replayed it. Anyway the games are about going fast and the knuckles rouge stages in SA2 are anti-speed.

Mech and Big stages aren't that bad.

>>722969174
I mean most of the discussion about what's "wrong" with the adventure games is post hoc justification after '06 and chrischan happened by fags who never played them being regurgitated by people who even assuming they actually get around to playing them intentionally reinforce these ideas in their head where they don't exist in the game.
You know it's kinda like that shit about Undertale, where retards that read about it on tumblr and youtube read a bunch of shit that isn't in the game into the game and are actually in a state of knowing less than nothing about the game.

>>722969174
gamma is fun, tails and eggman aren't. Big is horrible, I don't know who thought adding a fishing section to a platformer about going fast was a good idea

>>722971915
The same devs that brought fishing to the Saturn/Dreamcast thought it would go well in showing off features on the feature machine (Dreamcast). Not like it clashes with the pet sim, the bumper car racing minigame, the snowboarding minigames or Sky Chase.
>Mechs are not.
I get that they're slower and are in levels that they can't break with jet-boosters like Gamma could. But Gamma could break levels because everyone was basically playing Sonic's Stages, but slightly altered. And Sonic's stages are made to be skipped.

I can concede Eggman and Tails don't have the best levels, nor are they fast, but you're still preforming damn-near similar actions down to the inputs and contexts.

>>722967624
Sonic games are build on being replayed to do better. Core of the series ever since sonic 1 with the chaos emeralds and end of level score.

Fucking pissed me off so much that they didn't have a hub world in sa2

>>722962463
I like the treasure hunting, I replayed the rouge/knuckles stages a lot. Didn't really care for the eggman and tails parts because they felt slow but the levels were still fun just not as fun as sonic/shadow

>>722967624
Not that guy but Rouge/knuckles stages are also great because you basically can explore everything. You can climb and fly. I remember the space stages and exploring every planet and hidden places.
The sonic levels in sonic adventure were fantastic but what really drags it down are the Big stages which I basically forced myself to play it. Also I spend hours in the sa2 chao garden which was massively improved from sa. I was obsessed with them and I won every race

>>722962380
this cat

Fire emblem conquest is the only fire emblem game you need to play

>>722962165 (OP)
Some time ago I replayed SA1 and 2 back to back and I was surprised with how better SA1 was, I enjoyed most of it but I wish Amy had better acceleration and Big wasn't that bad but maybe I was lucky and cought Froggy quickly in each stage, aside from that I enjoyed the story more as well. 2 in comparison I only really enjoyed the speed stages while treasure hunt stages can be a pain to traverse and the linear radar doesn't help much, lastly the mech stages were easily the worst, the later ones are too long and the mechs are too clunky compared to S1's Gamma.
Even the speed stages despite both being good, SA1 were more fun to master since the spin dash is better suited for making your own shortcuts while 2 stages are usually more on the "narrow" side with more focus on set pieces like ramps and rails.

Also SA1's soundtrack one of the best vidya OSTs ever while 2 is only one of thr better Sonic ones, if that makes any sense in terms of how to scale them.