Thread 722966148

It's just fucking nostalgia you manchild, move the fuck on already

>>722966148 (OP)
It's not.

I thought GTA6 would have the same camera as GTA2!

>>722966148 (OP)
Do design principles change over time?
The answer is yes.
Does that mean certain things can be lost over time?
The answer is yes.
Nobody who derides rap as niggerkikeslop nowadays was old enough to see it invented, but you don't claim that's nostalgia, do you? Nobody who claims that brutalism or industrial design is soulless is just nostalgic for thatched roofs or when their school was a single room. Because those were more than a hundred years ago.
Game design suffers from too few design constraints and too many people in the kitchen. It suffers from political reconnoitering, it suffers from appealing to the lowest common denominator AND to whales.
Analyzing why these changes happened and that they were in fact bad is not being a manchild, it's having a brain.

>>722966148 (OP)
Obviously it's nostalgia. Literally everything anyone ever says is nostalgia poisoned. Low render distance? atmosphere! loading screens? soul! tank controls? git gud! the best games ever came out when I was young you guys

>>722966148 (OP)
Is it nostalgia from when you were a kid and a teen?

>>722968351
>Low render distance?
horror games do better when they don't have unlimited render distance. that's not to say they should have a 5 foot range, but being able to see everything crystal clear kinda sucks in that situation.
>tank controls? git gud!
yes

Zoomers are just jealous, because they don't have anything to be nostalgic about.

Nostalgia really only applies if you played the game already, a game you never played could feel nostalgic but you really have nothing attached to it in your memory besides maybe the console.
Some older games are just that damn good and its why they still make money on re-releases or remasters

It's not that the games were better, it's about it being a different era and the way of experiencing games was different. To find out about new games, you had to read magazines and watch television programs, which often only showed images and a few seconds of gameplay, so buying games was a big gamble, as you could either find a treasure or end up buying dogshit. Also, to finish certain games, you had to look for specialized guides, talk to friends, and solve puzzles on your own. Nowadays, you can play demos and learn all the details of a game; additionally, if you don't like a game, you can simply leave it and move on to another. Games have become something too superficial; in the past, they generated more excitement than they do now.

>>722968351
There is literally nothing wrong with tank controls.

>>722966148 (OP)
its nostalgia BUT the best games of all time did come out during the ps2 era

>>722966148 (OP)
For me, its the way old (post arcade) games didn't constantly nickle and dime me for subpar content

>hurrdurr nostalgia
I've been playing mostly old games I didn't play in my youth the past couple years and they've generally left a more lasting impression on me than anything more recent

>>722966148 (OP)
you dumb niggers have been blaming your customers for the failure of your garbage products for 20 years and it never has worked. you are shit at your job and your ideas are garbage. you arent on the right side of history, youare aworthless dei nepobaby hire and all you know how to do is outsource things to the third world.

>Another fucking thread like the gaming industry isn't a massive fucking unsustainable advertising circle jerk and it's impossible to go pirate/buy old games off steam or something and realize
>Hey yeah what the fuck something really is wrong here

>>722969705
This
Mario 3 is great
And Super Metroid, but I wasn't born yet, so it can't be nostalgia if I never owned them

>>722970030
Like this shit is legitimately only possible to ignore if you're exclusively a console gamer, and even then I think Sony lets you buy and play PS2 games these days.

>>722969705
what you have is called recency bias, retard

>>722968797
Everything they played is some live service abomination that is gone and will never be playable again or has been updated so many times there is nothing left of the original.

we must be better gamers

A lot of it is nostalgia.
But also if you subject someone who isn't familiar with those old games to them, they often find them to be quite good.

>ps2 games back in the days
>480p 15 fps have to buy a memory card to save the games and tons of shovelware
>ps2 games that zoomgoys play
>4k 120 fps sdd and they only play the most popular games
there you have it, this is why goymers love the ps2

>>722969696
this, except i get annoyed when games nickel and dime my train of thought
>HEY LOOK AT THIS THING
>WOW FLASHY ANIMATIONS, SO COOL!!!
obviously i avoid these games, but i still have to witness their existence sometimes

What do you mean "Dual Shock"?

Why old games feel better aside from nostalgia
>You get a complete game
>The games were focused more on gameplay than experience
>You don't play to show your e-penis aside from the local scoreboard

Aside from that, the tech is still there to make good games, is just that it has become so accessible to make games that now every retard makes them and many of them end up feeling like a copy of old stuff.

Haven't watched this bait, but consider this.

At least old games feel like something.

Modern games feel like nothing.

Controls and mechanics have been optimized and polished so goddamn much moving through a game is effortless.

And that's cringe and possibly same-sex attracting.

>>722966148 (OP)
>only nostalgia
>play old shit I have no nostalgia for
>still better than new games

wow

>>722971265
Unironically been going down the last of classics. Panzer Dragoon Saga is great. We know it's like the most expensive standard release game in the collectors market but I was surprised it's actually quite good.

Playing old games gives me a warm fuzzy feeling and reminds me of a time when people hopeful for the future. I don't think they're objectively amazing or anything.

>>722966148 (OP)
>tfw zoomers and alphies are nostalgic over fortnite and roblox

No they definitely feel better. They feel more like games. Has nothing to do with nostalgia and I know this because I've felt it from games I haven't played till recently that were for the PS1. >>722968351
>Low render distance?
Looks good as fuck in SH1.
>loading screens? soul!
Yep.
>tank controls?
Absolutely fantastic, but I can forgive people for not wrapping their heads around it. I like games that twist the controls up a bit though. The same format for every game starts to make every game feel samey to a degree.
>the best games ever came out when I was young you guys
I was born in 2005. There was a very limited amount of PS1 games I played on my father's PS1, and none of them I think now are the best games. I played Mario Galaxy on the Wii which was a favorite of mine. I loved that game and still do, because it's a beautiful game, and it reminds me of a joy I used to feel, but having replayed it recently, I didn't enjoy it like I did in the past, and I'm not going to pretend it's the best game ever, even if I think it's fantastic in a number of ways, so that point is moot.

The best games I have played are all old and some I played recently. I have known people who don't like anything old at all, to the extent they won't watch an old film, regardless of how timeless and classic it is, but will ONLY play new games or watch new films, they have to be modern and relevant, and I find that bizzare. I wonder if that's how a lot who think modern games are better are like. There's definitely a different mindset.

>>722972048
This is often true. The passion bleeds through art and alike. Music and video games are both high in this regard. Paintings before the 19th century can have this attribute too. For those who wonder if it is nostalgia, just play the games now. I've played a lot of PS1 and PS2 games this year (replays and new to me) and it obviously is not nostalgia.

old games simply feel more sane to me, they tend to make more sense and challenge you better

>>722966148 (OP)
yes they're better, which is why zoomshits are stuck with 80 dollar remakes of mgs3 and shitty ports of mario galaxy lol

>>722972142
Speaking of loading screens, they are faster on old hardware than some modern games, but you can also emulate them, then you have your PC's hardware. While it's also not a rule, I can think of older games that have so much better loading screens than the stuff you often see now, a lot of old PS1 era fighting games for example, have something about them that makes them better, just s still image of the next opponenet in represented in a simple, non cluttered manner, setting the scene for the next fight. Beats black screens with tips and nothing particularly interesting. Not that even that is always bad but at times it's about as interesting as modern pause menus.

>>722970189
Recency bias doesn't last years you dipshit.

I like old games because you can just pick up and play them. modern games are too bloated in size and features. also old games are like modern indie games but made by studio professionals. none of those idea guys doing early access garbage.

it was all just nostalgia

it was all just nostalgia!

it was all just nostalgia!!

it was all just nostalgia!!!

>>722972908
missing rockstar table tennis

2 0 0 1

it was all just nostalgia!!!!

>>722966148 (OP)
>old games
>mostly made by people who like video games and pioneers in related technology
>new games
>mostly made by activists, faggots, and an army of outsourced labor from chinks and pajeets
Anyone who isn't a normie or a burnt out graphics obsessed zoomer can play any older game and just understand based on results that older games are mostly better.

>>722966148 (OP)
>>722968351
>this song and dance again
the people lamenting vintage gaming are the very fucking 12 year olds in question, you giga mongoloids. this whole "hurrr muh everything was better when you were 12" meme was never a real argument in the first place, and whatever is left of it only breaks down more as zoomers make more youtube videos like this. pull your head out of your ass and stop defending daddy corporation

>>722973014
And now it's all going to be Italian Brainrot games on Roblox instead of Fortnite.
Crazy, innit?

>>722968351
>tank controls
remains the great filter

>>722972142
>I have known people who don't like anything old at all, to the extent they won't watch an old film, regardless of how timeless and classic it is, but will ONLY play new games or watch new films, they have to be modern and relevant,
these are the type of people labeled as consoomers

>>722972856
pokemon is 100% nostalgia though

>>722966148 (OP)
>manchild
>says Discord ragebaiter on /v/
LOL

>>722973014
Why do people shit on Zoomers for Fortnite when Millenials and X'ers got addicted to playing CoD and WoW?
>old good, new bad
Oh how could I forget.

>>722966148 (OP)
you made this thread before like 2 weeks ago
you were btfo faggot

Imagine seething over people preferring actually well made games instead of unfinished modern trash. Grow the fuck up OP you little bitch.

>>722973452
OP doesn't actually believe the post he made, that's why it got remade. He wants a /vr/ thread and he got one. Oldest trick in the book.

Nostalgia is just a way for people to criticize standards. Making a game feel good to play is a lost art, only Nintendo still consistently makes a point to have character movement enjoyable. You play something like RDR2, which is a technological achievement, and it fucking feels like shit because muh realism became more important than making the most common thing you do, move, any fun. It's not that I only like old games, it's that my standards are the same as they were 20 years ago, and the industry at large went in a direction I hate.

>>722972856
>the game boy camera was good actually
The nostalgia goggles are so tight they crushed your skull.

>>722966148 (OP)
I am currently playing God of War(PS2) and its still very fun, looks great, sounds great, the story is well done. Kratos looks badass. I am also playing Mass Effect and everything still holds up just as I remember except the Ai on enemies, its bad. They are so easy, they just play wack-a-mole and run at you in a straight line. They don't do much else. That makes the gameplay kinda crappy, but everything else is top notch.

>>722973916
It was pretty fucking neat in 1998, but I don't think anyone would say what little content there was any good.

>>722970742
>>ps2 games back in the days
>>480p 15 fps have to buy a memory card to save the games and tons of shovelware
And I fucking loved it and would go back any day.
Do you even remember how many games devs like Capcom, and Konami, Squeenix, Namco, etc, etc
Would release. IN A SINGLE YEAR?

Things were so much fucking better back then.

>>722968351
Tank controls are fine. Literally git gud if that control scheme filters you.

>>722973606
>that's why it got remade
so what you're saying nobody on /v/ believes anything they post because this shithole has the same threads with the same repeated responses every day?

>>722973013
2004 mogs

Resident Evil Outbreak still mogs every other RE game by far.

>>722974027
not "nobody", but thread openers like this are clearly a way to bait the people who care into actually talking about it

There's a weird thing about some spergs where they can't separate what other people feel from what they feel. It's really tiring.

>>722966148 (OP)
>Play old game I've never played before
>Have a good time playing it
>Get told it's just nostalgia
I dun get it.

>>722973494
Nostalgiafags don't actually play old games, they just cry about new ones. Retard.

>>722973740
I wish that word(nostalgia) disappeared from the face of the earth. Poor word, its been violated to death. RDR2 is one of the worst AAA games I've ever "played". After 10 hours of watching this idiot bumble around doing menial tasks and watching 1000 checking for ammo animations I couldn't take it. That doesn't even include the 1000 animations for eating a can of peaches. Or the "excitement" of shaving.... Overcooked looks like butt, but its a terrific time.

>>722974159
Have you ever seen a thread starting with "I like [niche thing] live past 5 replies that wasn't an ERP general? No, you haven't. Because they die instantly.

>>722974102
aside from the cognitive dissonance it causes in you, what makes this ritual shitpost thread different from all the others?

>>722970189
>it's nostalgia
>no? Then it's recency bias
lmao
retard

>>722974286
He has low grade autism. He can wipe his own ass but he literally doesn't understand that you have thoughts of your own.

>>722974286
This one actually sparks discussion.

>>722974372
nigger who thinks every single person is honest about every single post

>>722966148 (OP)
It's not, I can't play old games because of nostalgia and sad memories, but games back then were 100 times better.

>>722966148 (OP)
>it's nostalgia when the video has a big ps logo!

>>722969252
> Nowadays, you can play demos and learn all the details of a game; additionally, if you don't like a game, you can simply leave it and move on to another. Games have become something too superficial; in the past, they generated more excitement than they do now.
While this is true to an extent, I would say we have moved from News sources playing games and giving feedback on what to do to make games better to now relying on gamers themselves and their opinions. Just look at Steam Next Fest, or anything that is coming out of Indie Live Expo. They are all Demos we get to play, we get to give our feedback on how to make them better through the forums themselves, and they officially become the games we look forward to and buy. You are right technology is better, but it also is true that there is a lot more safer releases than a decade ago, despite everyone saying they need more money and production costs have risen in the AAA world.

>>722974039
>a third of these came out within 30 days of each other
2004-2006 was a wild run

>>722966148 (OP)
Why is it that I can go back to just about any game from 1995 to 2008 (Excluding shovelware and notoriously bad examples.) That I didn't know about at the time, and have never played, and it's better than the majority of new games in the same genre? I have no emotional attachment to them. They don't represent anything to me.

And yet, I can find, totally new to me, two or three good games per year, every time I go looking? There's no way that could be true unless games were actually much better on average back then. Because we're lucky to get one or two actually good games in a whole year these days.

2004 is in the lead, by the way, I've found 34 great games of that particular vintage since I started searching this way a couple years ago. 1998 is in second place with 22, and 2006 is in third place with 20.

>>722966148 (OP)
>>722968351
Games were better designed back then, no loot boxes, no microtransactions, no FOMO, just pure fun.

>>722971147
>You get a complete game
While true, there is also the reality games have always had expansions it's just PC was more used to the Expansions, DLC and even Live Service aspects vs Consoles and Consoles moved on with it slightly because it became better value.
>The games were focused more on gameplay than experience
You are close. Games were focused on Gameplay yes, but nowadays games are too hyper focused on realism with a ton of textures and details than relaxing that realism in favor of style and focusing on a more polished gameplay experience. It also kept focusing on things like
1. UI Themes that fit what the game was going for, rather than a universal Destiny UI that feels boring or just minimalism that consumers are unable to know which game belongs to what on the Main Menu screen.
2. Character Writing that felt short but cohesive
3. Short Games with high amounts of Replayability(Think of games where you complete it early and quick but you could experience more modes than usual like in Sonic Adventure 2 or Uncharted 2) that made people go back over and over or Extras(Map Editors in Timesplitters 2 or WWE Create Your Own Storyline mode)
>You don't play to show your e-penis aside from the local scoreboard
This is true. I think it's people who care more about K/D than caring about Wins or Losses and enjoying it with friends.
>Aside from that, the tech is still there to make good games, is just that it has become so accessible to make games that now every retard makes them and many of them end up feeling like a copy of old stuff.
It's ironic as tech has been as great as it has been, it feels like we went backwards instead of forwards. I had high hopes in the PS3 era and now I wish to go back to it because everything is sterile, boring, predictable and by the numbers. I wish companies cared more about providing more risk and silly or interesting experiences again. But right now that's relegated to Indies and AA's.

>>722972809
>>722972856
>>722972908
Reminder if it was Nostalgia we would not be playing future sequels or even be buying the remakes or remastered collections lol.

>>722974192
Do you have a source to prove that?

>>722974625
You are not wrong, the main issue is though everyone thinks of AAA but does not consider Indies or AA's which lets be honest is where everyone needs to go to find games to enjoy that are similar to the past. Most people back then did not care too much if a game was extremely high budget or not, but if the game was fun to play or there was something that really made it stand out. We had to wade through a lot of bad games to find the good stuff even in films, moves or music. The same should be here. People need to start looking around for Indies and buy them if they like it, give feedback on Twitter or on Steam Forums to help improve them and promote them. We have to do the same thing today we were doing 20-30 years ago when we found those diamonds in the rough and found masterpeice works.

>>722974625
Hell yeah bro 2006 is a banger year.

If you haven't: Gears of War, Lost Planet, Ridge Racer 7, Outrun 2006.

>>722972908
Gaming should have never progressed passed 6th gen. Hell I'd settle for even 5th or 4th gen.

>>722975221
I've found plenty of decent indie games, and the new Microprose puts out a lot of really interesting games I'd consider single A. But there's just no AA market anymore. Major publishers aren't giving smaller internal teams middling budgets and shorter timeframes to make games with more limited scopes. That's how new franchises would start, but they'd rather dump that money into making the same franchises or these huge blockbuster games with no provenance except the pedigree of a few of the most senior members of the dev team, that's probably turned over everyone else multiple times since That Game You Liked released over a decade ago.

It used to be that you found good games by going to the store and keeping an eye out for anything interesting, or reading preview information in magazines, or watching G4. For the most part, you could trust that whatever was being talked about or looked good on the shelf would at least be worth $20, sometimes that was even true of licensed games.
The last time I remember that being true was when I bought the tie in game to Robert Zemeckis's Beowulf. It wasn't a hidden gem by any means, but I felt like it was still worth the money I spent.
Now, we're constantly getting full price games that have the gall to cost as much as $100, that don't even feel complete or well designed.

>play snes, psx, gba, etc. game i never played as a kid
>have fun
>play new game
>don't have fun
Yeah bro. Totally just nostalgia.

>>722975221
The thing about indie games is that most of the time they can be called amateur games. A lot goes into game design that you don't necessarily understand by liking video games, and oftentimes liking a certain genre can hamper the overall quality. Indie Metroidvanias are a dime a dozen, but even the top tier ones have little tells that the designer played Super Metroid way too much, and as a result they have these challenges that are great fun to people like them and exactly nobody else. If Super Metroid was requiring elaborate shinespark puzzles for normal progression, the game would not have been as beloved as it is. There is something to be said for professionalism, and most indies don't have it by design.

>>722973420
I don't know if you know this, you weren't there for it, but most of us considered the people buying CoD every year to be retards. Even when the games were good relative to today.

>>722970429
zoomer nostalgia in the future: "back in my day ecelebs weren't ai and you actually had to pay for superchats, it meant something..."

>>722966148 (OP)
Majority of the people who say "old games feel better" just play the games they grew up with or only play the critically acclaimed ones. They don't even bother playing anything marginally below that.

>>722973120
>you're twelve years old right now!
No

>>722976147
Once again you're projecting anon. You HAVE to understand other people are different than you.

I remember in 2015 i was kinda jaded about videogames. Then i decided to emulate ps1 games, which i never had as a kid, and I was blown away. Silent Hill became one of my favourites, and also MGS. I remember having the specific feeling that they truly dont make them good like that anymore for the most part.

>>722971203
depends on the old game, depends on the modern game.

Castleween feels like nothing
Mullet MadJack feels like something

GRIS feels like nothing
Sly Cooper 2 feels like something

no matter the generation, theres gonna be a mix of good games, mediocre games, and bad games. anyone who acts like bad games didnt exist when we were kids is nostalgia blind.

>>722966148 (OP)
That's just a half truth. The other big reason why people consider old games better is because you don't have to deal with the modern bullshit publishers love to push into games to make more money or to force engagement. Also, certain features and content is getting rare in new AAA or even some AA releases, and I'm not just talking about lewd stuff, shit like working mirrors, characters getting wet if they swim or walk across a river, non-minimalistic and stylized UI, casting proper shadows, actual gore stuff and so on is not frequent anymore

If people loved the older gen of consoles because there was a treasure trove of games regardless of the genre, what games are emblematic of the 2010's? The 2020's?

I think that Hotline Miami represents the era well enough. But I don't know if roguelikes are era-defining or just a trend. Doom 2016 started the shooters with an attitude that pushed a wave of boomer shooters.

>>722977036
>10's
Souls, 10's had DaS, BB and Sekiro (das2 and 3 were there too i guess), the 10's most iconic "series" are From games which technically started in the 00's with DeS

Also Splatoon for nintendo.

>>722966148 (OP)
>>722968351
It's confirmed to not be nostalgia.

>>722966148 (OP)
nostalgia is a powerful drug bro

>>722966148 (OP)
>It's just fucking nostalgia
I'm a zoomer who plays older games regularly. I played most of these games for the first time within the last few years. They are better to the point of ruining my standards for any modern games I play. It isn't nostalgia, games are shit now compared to what they once were and you'd have to be ignorant or dishonest to say otherwise.

>>722966148 (OP)
As opposed to all those new masterpieces being released every weekend, that can't possibly be novelty tickling your worn-out standards and expectations.

If old games are just "nostalgia"bait, then how come so many modern devs attempt to remake them, and end up being a grossly inferior product compared to the original the vast majority of the time?

>>722968351
Name a single good game in the last 5 years. I fucking dare you, doesn't exist. Both story and gameplay wise

I've played old games I never played or heard of before. They're simply just better.

>>722966148 (OP)
No, I will not buy your UE5 slop. No matter how much you seethe and cry about it.

>>722966148 (OP)
>it's just nostalgia you chud. now buy the goypass

>>722974603
and despite coming out in such a stacked time frame all of those games sold decently and are remembered to this day. the older I get the more I realize that the "winner takes all" behavior of the later games industry (and also movies) is artificial - it's caused by everything they release being shit. if everything is shit you might as well just watch/play the one popular thing, or nothing at all. back when movies were good people watched dozens a year. back when games were good kids were saving lunch money and trading old games in to afford as many new games a year as possible. what changed is simply that movies and games went to shit. when every time you put the money up for a new release you're disappointed you start to get SELECTIVE, and that's how you get today's entertainment industry where paid products only have a chance with a huge marketing budget and a well-timed release.

>>722969446
k m8 go play bubsy 3D

thats right, stfu

>>722966148 (OP)
No, it's about a lack of comparable talent, work ethic, and anti White cultural subversion. Not to mention decades of financialization kikery driving away artists and talent and replacing them with bottom dollar workers or money grubbing corporate whores. Basically too much bloat.

>>722980097
Tunic, Lies of P, Metroid Dread, Lucah: Born of a Dream, Nioh 2, Hades, and Death's Door

>>722980926
Pfffft HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

>>722980926
in the strictest sense, Hades was more than 5 years ago

>>722966148 (OP)
My zoomer cousin fucking loves HOMM3, GBA Pokemon games, 2003-2014 era yugioh and a bunch of other old games. He's playing maybe 2 games released after 2015.
Most people feel like there's a cut-off point in game quality which happened somewhere between 2008 and 2015 and that very few newer games are good.

But I think it's not really a problem of all modern games being shit. First of all, there were plenty of old games that were shit. And second of all, it seems to me that there still is plenty of good modern games. I can definitely see 5-20 pretty good games released each year. And some of my favorite games were released in the past decade. Slay the Spire, Hades, Aegis Defenders, etc.

The problem is that making a game is much easier nowadays than it was, so the entire industry is overfilled with garbage made by untalented people. There's far less investment required to make and publish a game and the market (pool of customers) is significantly larger.
Large companies are constantly trying to make a golden goose game filled with microtransactions in order to hunt for whales. This trend started around 2008-2010. And the main (and often only) emphasis in these "games" is not actually the game, it's the in-game shop and microtransactions.
Indie devs and small studios are also to blame. A lot of them are making shitty/slop games without even having microtransactions. The difference is that these games were historically only found on Flash Player games websites, but they have now infested not only Steam but also console stores. Steam/GoG/Epic/Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft don't want to have strict quality control simply because that would lead to less sales. I'm pretty sure Nintendo is the strictest one among these and even it has very low quality games on Switch.
(Pic related)

tldr: There's still roughly an equal amount of good games released each year. They're just drowned in an increasing sea of garbage games.

>>722981809
The good thing about Flash game websites is that the vast majority of Flash games were amateur projects that were just made for fun. That created a culture where even very good Flash games that were very popular were expected to be totally free, and simultaneously, there was no real way to monetize them, and no incentive to pump out a huge number of extremely low quality ones, as well as a very serious pressure to keep up with the competition. Garbage got ignored, and for the most part, the only reward was attention. So the garbage faded into the background or languished on websites that pumped it out for ad revenue, while the good stuff rose to the top, and the stuff in the middle flourished by association.

>>722966148 (OP)
Meh, old games are just more fun. Get over it. All the greats are retired or moved on to better things.

>>722966148 (OP)
Whose video is this? I would like to watch it.

>>722966148 (OP)
Bait but in truth it does seem to me nostalgia has been dominating this industry and I am a boomer. I think its probably a bad sign most people prefer older games now.

>>722982046
Yep, that's a pretty correct assessment. The only thing some games had were one or two startup splash screens leading to a sponsor website or a single tiny logo leading to a sponsor in the main menu screens. Ads were just there in the web browser, outside the game, which you could block and not all sites had them. And microtransactions only started appearing in some flash games starting in 2009. The only exception I can think of is Dragon Fable (2006 game) which was a flash player live service game with a membership option which unlocked additional content. But it was kind of like Runescape where you still had dozens of hours of free content.

>>722968351
No one likes loading screens. The only ones I can stomach are PSO because they are somewhat interactive.

>>722980926
So do you have any games to show or are you going to keep listing crap. The last good game to come out was Elden Ring and even it suffered from a piss poor dlc.

>>722966148 (OP)
>It's just fucking nostalgia you manchild, move the fuck on already
You can just go back and play old games (that you haven't played before) right now, and see for yourself.

>>722972142
>I have known people who don't like anything old at all, to the extent they won't watch an old film, regardless of how timeless and classic it is, but will ONLY play new games or watch new films, they have to be modern and relevant, and I find that bizzare. I wonder if that's how a lot who think modern games are better are like. There's definitely a different mindset
Yeah that describes one of my best friends.
Guy gives me shit all the time for not having seen more recent films that "everone should have seen" (one example being Whiplash), but theres plethora of films he will refuse to watch considered classics because they were made more than 5 years ago.
He always talks about how much he loves westerns but hes never seen a Sergio Leone movie in his life and absolutely refuses because "they didnt know how to make films back then"
He does the same with games, but for some reason he doesnt do it with shows.

>>722966148 (OP)
No, Phantasy Star Online simply is the best. Sequels couldnt top it, gay rip offs like monster hunter cant top it, and no other game comes close.

I still play it for a weeks weeks every year and it never is bad.

>>722983978
Out fucking skilled

>>722972142
>I have known people who don't like anything old at all, to the extent they won't watch an old film, regardless of how timeless and classic it is, but will ONLY play new games or watch new films, they have to be modern and relevant, and I find that bizzare. I wonder if that's how a lot who think modern games are better are like. There's definitely a different mindset.
Ask them if they have an inner monologue.

>>722980097
Kirby and the Forgotten Land. One of the best games ever made

>>722983785
The problem is that modern games and remakes of old games have much longer loading screens.

>>722966148 (OP)
If old games weren't better we wouldn't have a constant stream of remakes, remasters and re-releases of them.

>722966148
Bait thread

>>722984192
Horrendous taste.

>>722966148 (OP)
Make me. The truth is that new games suck ass when compared to old games.

>>722984165
It is sad how no one has tried to replicate it in any serious manner.

>>722968351
I don't blame you, anon. To understand soul, you have to have one.

>>722984530
I hope you don't mind if I use this from now on. It's good.

>>722983876
>The last good game to come out was Elden Ring
No wonder a faggot with dogshit taste cant tell a list of good games when he sees one

>nostalgia
>differences in design principles
Both of these exist. I experience nostalgia when I play many older games, but I also am capable of identifying things about them that legitimately work better than what we see in most modern games.
To reduce it all to nostalgia is evidence of profound retardation, the inability to consider multiple contributing factors. Or perhaps you just feel threatened by the creeping awareness that a lot of things in modern life are just SHIT and only getting SHITTER, and are desperate to pretend otherwise.
Either way, not my problem.

>>722984559
Go for it, anon

>>722984353
.01% of old games are getting remakes, dumbass.

>>722966148 (OP)
>It's just fucking nostalgia

How? I got into gaming relatively late and then went backwards from the ps4 to ps1, wtf would I be nostalgic for?

>>722984876
>.01% of old games are getting remakes, dumbass.
Meaningless distinction, faggot. It's still a constant stream, and it's happening at a much greater rate than new IPs. It doesn't even factor in all the half-assed nostalgia bait sequels that are trying to recapture something from years past.
NTA

>>722984746
Your best game on the list is dread and it is a 8/10 at best.

>>722966148 (OP)
Seethe.

>>722984917
I do think there's a kind of osmotic nostalgia that isn't necessarily YOUR nostalgia, but comes about because of your awareness of a better, simpler time.
But you're still correct, older games are simply better in a lot of ways that have nothing to do with nostalgia.

of course it's nostalgia. Imagine being introduced to Elden Ring or GT7 back in the PS1 or PS2 era. You'd shit bricks.

>>722983557
Fun Fact, DragonFable is still around. And it didn't even require a subscription, just a one time payment. AdventureQuest is the Artix game that required a subscription.

No, I don't think I will.

>>722985065
>Imagine being introduced to Elden Ring or GT7 back in the PS1 or PS2 era. You'd shit bricks.
Over the fidelity of graphics, yes. But surely you understand there's more to a game than that, right anon?
Right?

>>722985157
>Clubman Route 5
>Home

>>722985227
>Clubman Route 5
LOOK CLOSER LENNY

It's not. Name 10 good games which came out in the last 5 years.

You can't.

>>722985308
It's Clubman Route 5 if I say it's Clubman Route 5
(what is it though)

>>722968351
All those things are in Shadow tower and its the best game ever made
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=541ZhukMlqk

anybody saying "its nostalgia" is either zoomers who got filtered by old gameplay or oldfags who are okay with being fed modern slop. i just bought a ps1 and have been playing that more than my pc and ps5 this week, its a great system

>>722985389
Shooting hoops.

Imagine living in this world and still clinging to the progress fallacy. Just pure ideological delusion.

>>722970742
>dvdplayer2
>480p
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
You had 240pi
i!!!!!!

>>722972856
No shadow tower which BTFO's all of these (Ive played most of them)

>>722966148 (OP)
Old games were crafted instead of being manufactured.

This is why they feel better.

>>722985065
So Kingsfield 3 and GT2? Which are both better than rollslop or follow the line simulator

>>722985637
Luv me finely crafted fifa 97,98 and 99.

>>722985509
The thing is, the entire world believes in literal communist propaganda that progress is linear and only ever goes up. If you drill normies that they consume poison for food while jerking off to trafficked sex slaves they'll say you're being dramatic.

>>722966148 (OP)
>move the fuck on
To what?

>>722966148 (OP)
>It's just fucking nostalgia
>It's just fucking nostalgia
>It's just fucking nostalgia
no its not
now fuck off you corpo-guzziling-must-consume-new-product-fomo dumbass

>>722969446
there is... only for those who refuse to git gud
they throw a hissy fit about anything that requires them to learn how to play a game or a new control scheme
just like game journos and reviewers

>>722966148 (OP)
>nostalgia for games you haven't played
No, I played Evil Zone yesterday and it was raw.

The reason why nostalgia is becoming a dirty word again is the ability to sell old stuff to people is slowing. The younger crowd are too far removed from the original to care and the old(er) crowd have had their fill, so the money is slowing. (You) playing that copy of crash bandicoot that has sat on your shelf for 30 years are now the enemy once again, especially if you are telling others to just go emulate it as that involves not spending money which is a sin apparently.

>No post release patches so studios need to QC their games very hard
>Gameplay isn't another souls-like or survivors game
Yeah I don't think it's nostalgia. Games got better graphics today but graphics are just part of it

Nostalgia googles has always been a cope response because the alternative is confronting the fact that everything is steadily getting worse and is in decline and nobody wants to live in a world like that. People would rather spend their thousands on gaming hardware and believe they're experiencing something actually better than what they can already play for free on emulators

>>722968351
There's an incredibly weird larp on /v/ where people pretend to love tank controls, but it is very obvious that they've, at best, played only 2-3 games with tank controls (and at worst, they've played none).
Tank controls aren't even some kind of alternate control scheme either which is why it's weird, they were literally a crutch for minimal understanding of movement in a 3D space beyond a first person POV.

>>722972856
>Mario Party
Untested kusoge
>Warhammer Dark Omen
Shit
>Ocarina of Time
Empty Fields: The Game
>Resident Evil 2
Reskin of an AitD clone
>Gran Turismo
Racing shit
>Metal Gear Solid
Cutscene simulator
>Banjo-Kazooie
Rareware has never made a good platformer
>Xenogears
Literally the worst disc 2 in the history of JRPGs
>Pokemon
Buggy and broken shit only liked by toddlers
>Shining Force III
There is a reason why nobody talks about or thinks about the Shining series anymore
>GB Camera
We're just putting shit on here
>Crash Warped
Gimmick hell
Tomb Raider III
Worse reskin of I and II

etc etc

>>722986751
The people who love tank controls only ever played RE because those games had exceptionally responsive tank controls. Nearly every other game - which naturally said people don't play - is sluggish as all fuck. Try playing twisted metal and you'll destroy your thumb and the less said about the infamous bubsy 3d the better.

>>722986603
>not spending money which is a sin apparently
Worse than that, it's economic terrorism!

>>722986926
Impressive, you managed fit 13 examples of you being completely filtered into one post.

>>722973013
Most of this chart is just random shit thrown together in the hopes nobody will look too deeply at it.
Like, fucking Dragon Quest VII is here. It is genuinely one of the ugliest games made and released in the 2000s, has some dogshit gameplay, and it will take HOURS before you even reach said gameplay, and roughly TWENTY more hours before the gameplay exits the tutorial mode of behavior and introduces slightly deeper concepts. It is, without a doubt, the absolute worst entry in that series, but this chart was made by someone who likely hasn't played it, and so it gets included here to fluff up the list.
The same is true for most things on here.
>>722987019
>you're filtered if you think the party game has bad minigames or think the adventure game with fuckall to do is boring
"Vibes" are not a reason to spend all your money on a game.

>>722986719
It's also rooted in the reddit fake scientist mindset where you "correct" everything by posting a response to a basic claim that strips a person of wonder or joy and instils emptiness, and because this is tonally consistent with the culture of atheism and absence of spirituality that exists in our world of emptiness, it "rings true" to people and seems smart.
>bro no, your dog didn't do a funny thing that was cute, you just behaviourally conditioned it to do that thing for food
>bro no, you're not really experiencing enjoyment when you play old games, you're simply experiencing nostalgia
This kinda shit. Reddit mindset loves this shit because it speaks to the spiritual emptiness of the culture we live in and therefore appears correct on the level of emotional reality

>>722986926
lynch thyself zoom

>>722987219
So, in 20 years when people are making these same charts to jerk off how amazing 2025 was, will you tell me to lynch myself when I say GoY is a gigantic piece of shit?

>>722985030
Youre not so far gone to think an 8/10 is something to scoff at are you?

Old games WERE better and it's not a debate, there are countless reasons for that, but among most important ones:
>execs didn't know "what sells" and couldn't min-max the industry as much and breathe on the devs' necks, so they had to trust them to make a good game, which meant artistic freedom
>game devs used to be actual industry experts - not a pajeet, woman or some other retard who just finished a 2-month Unity or UE course, but people with years, if not decades of experience in their fields of programming, making music, art etc.
>optimization and hardware access - devs could directly squeeze performance or behavior out of hardware like GPU, nowadays it's not possible, NVIDIA and AMD lock down their cards and you can only communicate with them through APIs with huge overhead and they won't open source that shit even though it would cost them nothing
>bloated development with voice actors, marketing, consulting companies like Sweet Baby, teams being literally thousands of people in size, outsourcing to India, literal checklists from international companies, console publishers etc. the game has to pass before being able to be out
>market saturation and chasing GaaS trends, companies dedicate years, if not sometimes full decades to making a game that turns out into a complete flop, Concord being the worst example, 2 generations pass before we get a title when back in the day we could easily get 2-3 mainline titles of a big franchise in a single generation

And that's not even everything, just most obvious, most common issues.

>>722984165
>extremely boring "action" MMO where the goal is to grind until death
>fun
Nobody wanted to copy it because it was dogshit.

>>722987395
>NVIDIA and AMD lock down their cards and you can only communicate with them through APIs with huge overhead and they won't open source that shit even though it would cost them nothing
I always wondered about this, especially given what devs were capable of during the 6th/7th gen console era. A lot of late PS2/PS3 games were shit that wouldn't look out of place on PC at with stronger GPUs. Last of Us, Metal Gear Rising, Shadow of the Colossus, the works.

>>722980097
>Name a single good game in the last 5 years. I fucking dare you, doesn't exist. Both story and gameplay wise

>>722987395
It's blatant that there needs to be some kind of breakthrough in how video games are made. Some companies hope that AI will be that, but i doubt it. We are nearing a breaking point, some game will come out that will take so long and cost so much that it will just completely shake up the entire industry, possibly taking down one of the giants with it because of a horrible release. We know that there are AAA games that started development when PS5 released but won't be out until PS6, but my bet is on GTA6. This game can make or break the whole gaming scene, especially when they will supposedly charge 100$ for it.

>>722987395
AAA games were better. I would argue the indie games now are way better than ever before

>>722972908
I like how when gaming was strictly a guy-thing, shit just got done, but as soon as women got interested (around the time face scanning, mocap and better overall acting all came together to better display emotion and drama, btw) and started working at gaming companies, games stopped being released every year and instead started taking 8+ years to get made.

>>722987612
This porno was disappointing.

>>722987567
The huge overhead of DX came about because of the wild west days of early 3d acceleration where you had to code specific support for a specific generation (or often, specific card) of gpu and everyone did everything different which devs got very fucked off with. MS stepping in making DX what it is was done precisely to stop all kinds of shit.

What the consoles were doing was even more removed from the PC space.

>>722987612
>Some companies hope that AI will be that
It's the closest thing, otherwise the industry stalemated itself by graphicsmaxxing. Games have to simulate reality to achieve effects movies get for free.

>>722987605
>proceeds to list a bunch of games that aren't good, just shilled
Excellent self own.

>>722966148 (OP)
Fucking this
Nostalgianiggers should try playing anything else beside cawadooty, sportsball or any other AAA trash before they make retarded claims that games suck now. Gaming has never been better.
I'm an oldfag and pretty much all my favorite games are modern ones.
Here's a couple of my favorite games:
Ender Lilies
Afterimage
Ai Limit
Sonic Racing Crossworlds
Gundam EXVS MBON
All of these are better than the majority of old games nostalgianiggers claim feel better.

>>722988264
>A-all of those games sucked actually! They're just SHILLED!
I have quite literally never seen anyone on /v/ talk about Crimson Diamond, Shuten Order, or Shinonome.

>>722987612
>It's blatant that there needs to be some kind of breakthrough in how video games are made
Not really. If anything companies just need to stop wasting money frivolously.

>>722968351
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO POINT THIS OUT!!!!!

>>722966148 (OP)
They really don’t feel better. Mario 64 and the Zelda games are the only still playable N64 games. Double Dash and Melee are the only still playable Gamecube game.

>>722987605
5 or 6 of these games are remakes/remasters, not new games, and like half of these are bad games that aren't fun....
You could easily make an image with 20 great games released in the past 5-10 years, but this ain't it, chief.

>>722988768
>5 or 6 of these games are remakes/remasters, not new games
Pac-Man, DQ3, and Live A Live. That's about it.
> and like half of these are bad games that aren't fun....
I'd say they all are.
I imagine your suggestions would be normalfag shit.

>>722966148 (OP)
I decided to redo my ps1 rom library this week and finished with ~100 games that are all great and worth playing. The only ones I haven't seen/or played before are 5 or so Jap only games that have been fan translated (Choro Q-3, Racing Lagoon etc). I don't think ps5 even has 3 games worth playing for comparison.

>>722987471
this and same for its sequels and successors
the only thing that franchise managed to accomplish was the atmosphere. early on anyway

>>722972963
Do these hold up?

I like some old games
I like some new games
I play games I like

>>722966148 (OP)
>manchild
Still posting on 4chan about video games.

No self awareness huh

>>722966148 (OP)
played bof 3 for the first time recently and i can honestly say no, it's not nostalgia, it's soul

Feel better? Control schemes for anything other 2D games were awful back in the day. Playing something like King's Field today would be a nightmare.

>>722966148 (OP)
Old developers were more talented and had a better sense of what was a fun. Modern games are just soulless and not as fun

Every year before 2014 was fine. 2014 is when everything rapidly got worse.

>>722991621
2008*

>>722987656
>indie games now are way better than ever before
eh i disagree. they've also become bloated chore simulators with """progression systems""" and endless updates or are sometimes as unfinished and politically charged as their AAA counterparts. and nostalgia wank indies i won't even look at

>>722966148 (OP)

>games were better before everything was spoiled on social meda
THEN GET OFF SOCIAL MEDIA, FAGGOT

I really hate this "retro gaming is so much better" people.
They only get glimpses of the best of the best older games.
They weren't around to see the fuck ton of AWFUL games.

Modern gaming releases so many better games than anything offered back then.
If you're a retard who only follows the big marketed games, you deserve to suffer.
Sick of nostalgia peddlers.

>>722991779
>They weren't around to see the fuck ton of AWFUL games.
Hey fuck you Rise 2 was great!

>>722968351
>it's nostalgia! that's why everything is a rehash and a remaster/remake! oh wait a minute...
F a g g o t
Z o o m e r

>>722966148 (OP)
That'll be $120 for the Deluxe edition, the full game with all the DLC we haven't even planned out yet.

>>722980097
nah, I'm keeping the good games to myself
tourists will be gatekept for all eternity

>>722991779
That’s every form of media. Each decade has its share of terrible games, movies, albums. But your brain has a way of forgetting them and making you only remember what had a positive impact.
I wish I could take a stroll through 1995 Blockbuster to see all the garbage on the shelves.
>But at least it’s an original idea!
>At least it’s not woke!
>At least it’s human made
Those can all be true and the final product be a 3/10 trash heap.

>>722966148 (OP)
>its just nostalgia
no its not, modern games suck anus polyps, old games did all that they did with all their limitations, whereas you couldn't make modern games like that even with unreal engine 5 like no engine knowledge required, you just bitch about stutter, you can't even solve that.

>>722984876
Compared to how many completely new IPs reaching the popularity of those that get remade?

>>722966410
Problem is going back
Even among many of the original designers they cheer on remakes and the like for camera control, pretending games like Silent Hill 2 would have been better even decades ago had the technology to make it happen were present.
The very people that made many of those games, absent modern design contrivances, were still retarded - they just couldn't realize it at the time.
It's retards all the way down, unfortunately.

yeah man Im sure people will talk about nu-SH in 20+ years because nostalgia is just a thing that happens automatically to everything no matter the quality

>>722985397
Kek.
It truly is nostalgia.

>>722984559
>>722984838
Cringe

Dying Light 1 destroys any games from the PS1 era.

Yeah, it's nostalgia, if you played a game like Dying Light on the RE1/2/3 era, when you were a kid your brain would explode.

>>722988742
Sin & Punishment and Star Fox 64 mog dogshit Mario 64

>>722966148 (OP)
It's really not.
>2D design starts to feel "solved" around Gen 4
>3D design takes baby steps in Gen 5
>3D design starts to feel "solved" in Gen 6
>Gens 7+ rehash what worked from before
It's fun to observe design choices that were made by developers who were feeling things out. Hardware limitations resulted in interesting artistic choices.

>>722966148 (OP)
I will dance on your grave when GTA VI bombs lmao

>>722966148 (OP)
>>722968351
It's not. Remakes and the like are selling better than modern new games and the majority of the sales are to first time players. They have no nostalgia but are buying in droves. Older games were simply better.

>>722994613
dying light was boring as fuck.

>>722994245
In Japan going against your former employer is looked down upon, of course they will endorse it even if they hate it and want Konami to burn down. It's actually really fucking bad when some veteran starts speaking against what the company is doing like that one Dragon Quest veteran did. It means he's willing to risk his reputation because he wants to say something that will make no difference at all. He's literally burning goodwill so he can scream into a void.

>>722992534
>Those can all be true and the final product be a 3/10 trash heap.
True. One thing that helps the perception of mediocre retro games is that emulation has made it easy to play them for free. I'd be pissed if I spent full retail on some of the games I've enjoyed through emulation.

>>722994972
>Trying this hard

>>722994852
>Hardware limitations resulted in interesting artistic choices.
not only artistic but gameplay as well. devs nowadays have so much hardware power they don't fucking know how to build fun gameplay, so they just focus on huge open world instead and put some barebones gameplay that worked in 15 other open world games. tetris and super mario bros (31 kilobytes) are vastly superior games to any open world slop we have in woke modern era.

>>722966148 (OP)
Comparing old games to modern games is like comparing 1980s movies to modern Marvel movies.

>>722966148 (OP)
>It's just fucking nostalgia you manchild, move the fuck on already
says the board that loses their minds when a remaster comes out and chimps out how the old one was way better

>>722966148 (OP)
>It's just nostalgia!!!
>Play skyrim
>Be bored to death and have no will to play it
>Play oblivion remaster
>Have the most fun playing a game in like a decade despite the game being objectively worse than skyrim
Sometimes simpler and jankier is more fun than a polished turd...

>>722994948
western millennials suck at making vidya, that's the inconvenient truth, think about companies composed of nothing but anthony burch and crazy karens. meanwhile china produces like 5 million STEM geniuses each year and they keep getting better at vidya with huge leaps forward. kinda scary where things are going desu.

>>722995306
trying what? me and friend played dying light for a few weeks and it was boring as fuck. what do you want me to say? it was good? it wasn't. its parkour plus shitty zombies with keyframe animations and ammo conservation gimmicks, aka boring as fuck.

>>722966148 (OP)
Nah. It's overblown by thirdie shitskins who can't afford games here, but there's definitely a certain snappiness or gaminess that older games had that most newer games lack. Some modern games and especially indies still have it, though. Some older games feel like shit, though.

>>722966148 (OP)
I hate when they a make low poly game and use that disgusting ps1 style post process with shakey polygons and downscaled resolution blur. PS1 games don't look like that in my memory. When I play PS1 games on an emulator I change the settings to make it look better.
Low poly PS1 style can look good, and no one is forcing you to follow the technical restrictions precisely. Use PBR, dynamic lights and shadows, use slightly higher poly count and texture resolution and other modern techniques.

>>722966148 (OP)
the biggest difference between now and then when it comes to Feel, is that nothing is a mystery anymore. the moment a game releases there are 20 million youtube guides exposing all the secret content. The other factor is the standardization of gameplay and controls. games feel more similar now then ever. it can make games feel more unique, but the standardization has made every game play better then the past. Play GoldEye on the N64 or Metroid Prime on the gamecube after playing Halo 1 and a Modern Shooter. Old games play horribly.

secrets being exposed and your opinion being influenced and story spoiled are a matter of personal self control. Things can remain secrets if you dont pay attention to places that seem to spoil and influence. but if you are caught up in hype and follow popular opinion, you'll never form your own opinion and find what is special on your own.

>>722970742
>15 fps
DMC3 is one of the most beloved PS2 games. Why don't you go check out what framerate it ran at.

>>722970742
nobody even noticed poor fps back then, zoomie. only in shit like SotC but everyone loved the game anyway

>>722995869
>Old games play horribly.
Hench the boomer shooter craze.

>>722966148 (OP)
No dipshit.
>Atmospheres
>Gameplay
>Stories
>Designs
All created due to a combination of initial creativity and creativity forced by limitations.
A shame modern games don't try to emulate some of these mechanics...OK, some do but it's only singular situations.

This is also why I replay old stuff like Master of Orion 2. There is no bizarre mechanical choices like in the remake of MoO. You send armadas, those go to a system and are there instead of arriving to a planet in the system only to watch helplessly as those damn Antarans wipe out the planet you were sending said fleet to because you didn't have that 1 extra move.
Also atmosphere and artstyle-wise it is great.

>>722995842
you're a fucking idiot. im done here.

>>722991382
What are you, stupid?

>>722966148 (OP)
That's like saying that spaghetti is worthless compared to a Big Mac because it's older. Having a few retro consoles around is a must for when you're feeling that itch.

>>722972856
Like half of those games are terrible. I actually grew up in the 90s and have played everything there.

Whoooosh... Ting-ting… Hmmmm… BWAAAH-Zinggg… Thum-thum… Sssss

>>722996108
>Having a few retro consoles around is a must for when you're feeling that itch.
This is why I keep my wii around.

In the future, when both zoomers and boomers are dead and no nostalgia glasses are involved at all, people will look at Remake 2 and Resident Evil 2 discussions and laugh at boomers trying to claim left was better than right.

>>722996079
It was over before you even began, idiot.

shit was limited back then, the goal was largely about fun more than anything else. creativity and purposeful simplicity went well with these things
lots more options, complexity, technology and money now. games largely choose the experience™ and extracting emotion over simple fun
some people prefer simple fun and long for the past where it was more common while others enjoy games making them feel something with safe, focus-tested gameplay rather than having fun which is where popular gaming is today

>>722968351
>proceeds to buy the battle pass from goynite

>>722995960
Still blows my mind that SC3 and VP2 were able to achieve those framerates on a humble PS2

>>722980926
fuckin grim

>>722996171
True, nostalgia makes people delusional.
That's why "soul" is the only argument they can make, it doesn't really mean anything, but what else can they say?
If anything when you check these remakes, they're full of homages and more soulful little details thanks to hindsight and more resources available.
Does that makes the boomer the souless one since they're so full of hatred and fear for the new that they can't look past their own bias and enjoy those little things?

>>722966148 (OP)
you'll get it when you're older

>>722996171
>>722996523
Im trans btw.

>>722970742
PS2 was primarily 480i ackchyually

>>722966148 (OP)
It's not. I never played Final Fantasy 7. Set up an emulator recently, played through it and it was great.

>>722996903
Sad to hear that anon, I'll pray for you.

>STOP THIS ECONOMIC TERRORISM!
>YOU LOST!
>MODERN GAMES ARE PERFECTLY FINE!
>DEAL WITH IT!

>NO STOP ENJOYING OLD GAME
>YOU MUST CONSOOOOOOM NEW GAME AND ONLY NEW GAME
no thanks rabbi

>>722966148 (OP)
If we're talking strictly about big corporate games, then they generally had better gameplay and better story back then.

>>722966148 (OP)
Name 1 (ONE) racing game that is better then pic related I'm waiting

>>722999609
Midnight Club 2
F-Zero GX
Flatout 2
GRID
Gran Turismo
Burnout 2
Sega Rally
oh right I was supposed to name just one game, my bad

>>722999963
I ment to say modern racing games but yeah those are great games too

The greatest admission that games used ot be better is the fact that a signifcant chunk of modern game output is just remake slop of better games from better times.
There is really no arguing it.

Literally all media is suffering now. Yet shiteaters refuse to admit it. The market share of old music is growing. Hollywood is in shambles.

>>722994517
Minge

gaming is the best it's ever been.

>>722966169
This.

>What are LOTR: ROTK, Spiderman 2, Hulk: Ultimate Destruction, and Battlefront II Classic?

>>722966148 (OP)
Here's your (you).

>>722984174
I thought of this. Might ask him.

>>722966148 (OP)
nah. ratchet gladiator is such a good game. extremely streamlined progression. the weapons are all fun. I can just shut off my brain and run through in a couple of hours

It's like saying an Oil Painting is just nostalgia.

guys, I'm more hyped to play Duke Nukem Time to Kill on PS1 and I will probably will have more fun than playing latest BF6 which I bought

It's just sad, games are not fun nowadays

>>722968351
Tank controls are objectively superior for games that use fixed camera angles but your average consoomer doesn't like those so they rarely show up in modern games

>>722966148 (OP)
id argue AA/AAA games were more creative back then versus the homogenized slop we see today. but most old games are total shit in reality.

>>722966148 (OP)
No, people just made games better, got fired, replaced by fresh-faced, undertrained dev teams that get crunched to oblivion and fired regardless of the quality of their product, and half the budget goes to CEO bonuses.

>>723002324
They were, the music the atmosphere, it just sucks you in

>>722968351
I would trade the abysmal optimization and product value of modern games for loading screens 100% of the time.

there are a lot of old games that were bad, aged like shit or had the nostalgia wash right off as i replay them but there was never a time when i found myself unable to enjoy anything like i do today. all the flaws and drawbacks of old games don't even begin to compare to what the modern video game industry has been shitting out

>>722966148 (OP)
>Magazine are gone
>E3 is gone
>Vidya TV channel that has been around since 98 in my country is going to shutdown this year
I want go back

>>722966148 (OP)
>nostalgia bad
>new thing good

>>722966148 (OP)
Parasite.

Like everything else in the industry, it's the developers, and the players. Yes games really are just significantly worse, but gamers have also lost their love of games and just zest for life in general.

>>723002396
Skyrim was one of the few games I went to midnight launch for. What a disappointment from Fallout 3 and Oblivion

>>722966148 (OP)
very true anon I love red played it when I was 3 made me fall in love with games
its a 7/10
gold is worse a 5/6
medievil remake is better then the old game
so spyro
crash i shit
the newer GT are better then the older ones
if I played GTA SA (I rate it 10/10) if I play it again i feel my rating would be lower
god of wars still play perfect
gta3 is a shit game

>>723006138
>crash i shit
Kys

>>723006386
its a bad game that doesn't hold a candle to
abe
spyro
medievil
tomba
or that furry that gets shilled

>>722987605
>lists obscure tranny garbage that only weirdos on /v/ play
Lol

>>722968797
They have not lived to see anything change at all.

>>723006607
Ape Escape and Spyro are shovelware compared to Crash, fuck off you absolute retard. Imagine putting minigame slop for toddlers in a tier above one of the best platformers of all time.

Level design, hazard design, gamefeel, soundtrack, artstyle, challenge, replayability, secrets, charm, soul, etc. Crash has it all, the game has aged like wine.

>>723000242
>10 out of 11 of these games are cash grabs from franchises as new as 6th gen and as old as 2nd
>exactly ONE "new" game that is just a rehash of old games anyway

Grim

I just played Duke Nukem Time to Kill, and it sucked me in for a good 1,5h

even medicore game from the 90s is better than the bland shit we have today

>>723006607
Crash shits all over those games. It's probably the best linear platformer of all time, up there with DKC. It also helps that it had 3 fantastic entries in one gen that are all great in their own unique way. Shame what happened to it after ND moved on from the IP

>>722966148 (OP)
gaming is too fucking popular
we didn't gatekeep enough and now they are entertainment products, not risky passion projects by autists that care.

>>722968351
>loading screens? soul!
Literally no one says this you fucking faggot.

>>723007364
Oblivion loading screens are soul thoughbeit

>>722973013
>>722974039
fuck..we actually had games back then

>>723005951
After Morrowind, Oblivion disappointed me so much that I stopped playing video games for years.

The lost feeling for me is playing games like this as a kid

>>723007625
Oblivion has far better quests, factions, reactivity, and interactivity though. Maybe I'm biased because I beat Oblivion first then went back to Morrowind

>>722976151
I'M not 12 years old and neither are you, but the guy who made that video probably is

>>723007952
Doesn't matter when the world is so generic and lame.

>>723008104
Morrowind looks like a toilet bowl and NPCs don't talk or move. Oblivion looks almost dreamlike and surreal, I love the watercolor artstyle and NPCs are way more dynamic, have their own homes and schedules, etc

>>722966148 (OP)

Back in the day, developers were a very small to small group of people who were passionate about the game they were developing.

And that is the SOVL which is lacking in vidya these days.

>>723008701
amen brother

All my favorite games are from PSX, NES or GBC.

>>722975221
I do that. I have several lists on backloggs with hidden gems, make threads about them, actually BUY them and leave reviews. I also love next fests and playing demos with anons. you are right. every year there are on average 2 good triple A games with about 3-5 stellar indies if not more. people are just too stupid and too lazy to LOOK after good games.

>>722994948
this

How can I get nostalgia for games and consoles I never played, goy cattle?

>>722980097
baitest bait that ever bait
>name 5, 10, even 15 games
>goes down the list denying them all
you are a FAG

>>723006841
needs a furry skin and a window of Raven Team Leader ass expansion on year 10

>>722980097
>Both story and gameplay wise
by this standard there has never been a good video game. even Halo 2 is in danger if we start insisting on a good story.

>>723008701
t. thread

>>723006820
>obscure
Half that list is AAA retardbro.

>>722968351
i don't like any of those things

>>722968351
You will never be a woman

>>723007313
>best linear platformer
how can anything be good when linear plats are shit

>>723011616
Way more fun than gay easter egg hunts in empty, boring ass stages

>>722972809
Why did Square fuck up the Brave Fencer Musashi franchise? There was a sequel that literally nobody played or remembers.

>>722970742
I was there when it happened. Best console

>>723011873
>Why did Square fuck up the Brave Fencer Musashi franchise?
Nomura. It was the first time his chuuni urban faggotry ruined something.
>There was a sequel that literally nobody played or remembers.
Zoomers who grew up on the PS2 actually like it.

>>722972856
Half the image is seminal era-defining Vidya and the other half is nostalgia baiting. Overall 8/10 based on the replies so far.
>>722972963
All 10 of these games are solid bangers. It'll never happen again.

>>722966148 (OP)
Why is it always about consoles? Like there are no Quakefag zoomers or anybody outside of ancient ass forums whining about D&D 3e
What gives?

>>722987605
sandland reminds me of metal slug

what will happen when we will play all the old games?

>>722968797
Crazy seeing zoomies on the chinese clock app getting nostalgic over COD ghosts and roblox

They just have slop to nostalgia over

>>722966148 (OP)
>>722966169
It's not just the videogames itself, it's the entire culture at the time, everything else associated with it.

>>723013201
Metal Slug pulls it's style from Dominion, and Toriyama's mech design pulls from that and Moebius art, which inspired most good Japanese scifi/fantasy mangaka and artists.

>>723013547
No possible.I've been playing games for decades and I play a lot of old games and I'm still nowhere near playing them all.

>>722999609
Crash Team Racing (the original PS1 release, not the remake).

>>723013762
True. A global cultural downfall happened a little over a decade ago, maybe 2012?

>>723016169
Downfall? That was a great time, vaporwave, cloud rap, lots of good stuff.

>>723016604
Yes, I'm saying that was maybe the last good year humanity had before the downfall. Pretty much everyone I talk to agrees that a cultural decline happened somewhere between 2008 and 2015. My theory is that it's somehow related to the rise of smartphones and social media.

>>722966148 (OP)
>9:59
Someone was trying to reach a limit.

>>723017065
I guess you'd have to elaborate because I don't see it, I liked the years between 2010-2020 in general. Things since have been more eh but I feel like those earlier years were nice.. Then again I was in my teens still so maybe it's also nostalgia.

>>722966410
Go back, tradlarper.

A clear-cut case is all the retards still pretending the PS2 had a good launch lineup (and fags offfen mistaking the holiday lineup for it). No, zoomer, nobody was buying the PS2 for arcade-style slop like Tekken Tag tournament and demo showcases like Fantavision

>>723019698
ive gotten pussy strictly off of being good at tekken tag and doa. fighting games were a staple of alot of early 2000s parties. protip: women love fighting games irl. best of luck orbiting your online crush that only acknowledges your existence when you gift her a fortnight skin, oh maidenless one.

>>723017317
i miss the old youtube limit

>>722966148 (OP)
brainlets still don't know that
>new is bad
is just as big a fallacy as
>old is bad
>"it's just nostalgia dude I don't need to argue anything"

90% chance this video was made by a zoomer who wasn't even alive back then.

>>722966148 (OP)
I've tried more than a few old games on emulator that I never played before, such as this Initial D game, and it had me playing it nonstop despite being a hard as balls single player game. Picking a random game out of a hat and having fun even if it's kinda shit was the way of the PS2, but I realize that they just have some kind of fundamental design choices that make them feel very playable.

>play old games
>have fun
>people get mad from my joy
>joy increases even more

>>722973420
You can't read?

>>722966148 (OP)
I have a huge backlog of old games to play before I touch modern stuff, make better games. Remember, you are ALWAYS competing with the past, authors don't have meltdowns about Shakespeare, and directors don't have meltdowns about Citizen Kane.

>>723002324
Back when you could put out an entry in a franchise every year devs could afford to take more risks. Now that games take for fucking ever to make they all have to be homogenized slop as to ensure they make their 8 years worth of dev time back.

>>722966410
>listen to song from 20 years ago
>"ITS JUST NOSTALGIA!!!! MOVE THE FUCK ON ALREADY!!!!!!"
as if you cannot tell the difference between music from 5 years ago, 20 years ago, 50 years ago, and a 100 years ago.
there was different design sensibilities, different technology, different song structure, different genres.

anyone who thinks it is nostalgia is just retarded and can be safely ignored.

I
HATE
MEN
GAMERS ARE ALL FUCKING INCEL LOSERS

>>722966169
Fpbp.

>Get Resident Evil for DS
>Never played it on PSX
>End up falling in love with the game because its straight to the point, short, sweet, and you can challenge yourself

>Morrowind, played it at launch on Xbox/PC
>Would think that I enjoy it because of nostalgia, but again it starts fast, no cutscenes, has more customization and variety than later games which focused more on graphics and celebrity voice acting

>Been playing Chibi Robo on Nintendo Switch
>Never played it at launch, very charming and cute world, very simple controls and time management, love exploring the world as a chibi Robo and the humor

I also play SOME modern games but they need to do something unique. Like Donkey Kong Bananza and Two Point Museum. Even tho Museum is the third in the series, Hospital and Campus play very much the same while Museum changes things up a bit where certain gameplay things of the old game no longer exist because you're focusing attractions over patients/students.

>>722966148 (OP)
>>722968351
Why does gen Z have such a hard time accepting the golden age of gaming was before their time? I can accept the golden age of film was before my time, why can't you do the same with video games?

>>723006841
While I agree with the general sentiment behind this image, it'd be more consistent to use all pictures of zelda in the top.

>never played sr1
>decide to give it a whirl
>holy fuck this game is great
>had a blast for approximately 40 hours or whatever it was
>this game from 2006 was better than a sloppy wokeshit game from 2022
Nostalgia goggles my ass

>>722991621
It was definitely earlier than that. 2007 was when the iPhone released. Everyone had one by 2008. The internet, at least, was completely ruined by 2010 and I think it bled into real life before 2012. There were still some based games released in 2011 that I remember. It was all lame and gay after that though.

>>722966148 (OP)
Why did you make this thread? Just to be a piece of shit for no reason?

>>723028453
Sour grapes I can only assume

>>723028161
>2007 was when the iPhone released. Everyone had one by 2008.
this is a vast exaggeration. when I graduated school in 2011 many, perhaps most of my peers did NOT have smartphones yet. this was in Germany among the upper middle class. you have to keep in mind initial models had poor battery life and mobile internet sucked, and most importantly the web wasn't built for phones yet so browsing sucked even if your connection was good. most of the staple apps people wouldn't want to miss now also either didn't exist yet or weren't useful yet.
in my recollection the spread of smartphones was very gradual. I'm sure in some places there was a hype around the technology and "everyone" got one within two years but this would have been the exception for sure.