Thread 722967040

How is AIslop any worse than gamedevs misrepresenting history as their slop piece changing designs and story to fit their narrative trying to be unique and quirky?

Good game
>I buyed
Bad game
>I'm non-buynary

what?

>>722967040 (OP)
It isn't. Those same artists just cry about it because they know they won't be able to get paid to do it for much longer.

>>722967040 (OP)
AI slop is SHIT, you know how the Nintendo e-shop is so full of shovelware it'd put the Wii library to shame? Imagine that but 1000 times worse.

>>722967169
The pendulum swings both ways, for every trash tier "gamedev" using AI trying to make up for lack of taste there's also devs iterating faster figuring out what doesn't work and perfecting it.

>>722967417
Maybe Nintendo should do their job and filter out the trash from getting in to the store in the first place.

what if I don't want to draw?

>>722967626
then at least have good and coherent taste in what you select to publish

>>722967713
how come, you never see people demanding shit artists to have "good taste" to publish, they're let to publish whatever grotesque shit they want

>>722967626
what if indeed

>>722967417
Why would you have to imagine worse, the eshop is already full of AI slop.

>>722967040 (OP)
Because it looks like shit and anyone with half decent tastes doesn't buy shit.

>>722967908
i'm talking if you intent to reach an audience in hopes of selling a product for money you may need to offer some quality selection done on your part. if you just intend to put it on twitter then who cares go ahead.

>>722967995
>and anyone with half decent tastes doesn't buy shit
and yet taylor swift is a billionaire today

this lends weight to the question of, if common sense is so common, why doesn't everybody have it

>>722968224
common sense is a lie, it's not common at all

>>722968672
then all you're doing is just nerdingly looking down at people who don't give a fuck about your existence and being impotently pretentious

>>722967040 (OP)
>yeah dude, miyazaki HATES AI art but he definitely doesn't hate the disney shit I like, he- he agrees with me that that's real art I swear

>>722967040 (OP)
Sirs

>>722967040 (OP)
i am pro-artist because AI can only make permutations of existing art
support your local artist so they can feed your image generator

>>722967908
You're welcome to filter LGBBQT whatever the fuck tags just as I should be able to filter AI slop.
So tag responsibly!

>>722973036
most of you have too many reservations or stupid rules about what you'd draw and distribution rules that i'd be better off training an ai to do roundabout executions than bother you even with money
hell, i'd be better off drawing it myself than feed a "local artist"

>>722973036
i am pro-AI because artist can only make permutations of existing art
artist draw too slow and with randomness you only need people to judge whether new randomly made pieces are good or not

support your local ai algorithm so they can train on your judgement

>>722967169
OP doing the flibbity floo here's your (You) and convincing himself that AI is reaching critical-mass on adoption in tech industry

mandatory every-five-minutes "I LOVE AI" thread and probably actual astroturfing from AI companies

>>722973609
ok but am i wrong tho

>>722967908
>you never see people demanding shit artists to have good taste to publish
Yes you do. You're doing it even right now, nigger
>they're let to publish whatever grotesque shit they want
What, are you retarded enough to think that there's a committee that you need to first get license from in order to acquire talent and independently publish your works? Anyone can pick up a pen and do whatever, as you can evidently see. The fact that you can't even put out something grotesque shows how much of a worrrrrrrm you are

>>722967908
this
go to deviantart or pixiv or skeb or nijie
most of the content is pure garbage. the few pieces done with real passion and skill are exceedingly rare.
on one hand this is okay, these people are human. on the other hand it's objectively worse than what AI shits out.
currently lots of porn artists are infected by the "massive cellulite bubble butt" style which i'm sure is some crap pushed by a commission whale.
ai artists are not bound by fads or whales, they just make whatever they want. is some of it crap? absolutely. and that is okay because the ai is a tool just like a pencil. nobody blames the pencil for their inability to draw proportionately beautiful figures.

>>722974707
the general masses literally dont give a fuck if you use ai or not, they just want good art
>t.$6k a month on patreon and 100k+ followers on twitter while outright stating Its AI

>>722968224
>>722968672
Taylor Swift is incredibly good at what she does. If common sense was common, you'd understand that.

>>722973609
/thread

>>722974889
The general masses want Meta to fuck off and stop draining their water table and enacting brown-outs on their power grids, anon

>>722975330
>"MUH WATER"
It doesn't get more Reddit than this.

>>722975330
>he thinks anyone outside of those towns gives any sort of a single fuck

>>722967040 (OP)
I'm gonna assume this is an AI post because wtf do those two things have to do with each other?

>>722975578
note the two "ironic" shill posts above you

>>722975131
she is good at the hustle and it worked out for her
that is all i will admit to
but if you want to talk about taste and act like you're a better person when you stand alone like it means anything to the price of tea in china, that's what i was talking about, regardless of arguable taste levels, why do you think i used the word "impotent", do you think i was possibly talking about your sperm?

>>722967040 (OP)
>faber-castell
Step aside, heretic.

>>722967626
Then you learn to code and manage autists. It's not that hard.

>>722967417
So? I don't buy games anymore. It's Nintendo's problem.

>>722976059
>(((kohen-in-noor)))
Back to gas chamber, schlomo

>>722976694
>Blyatop Braaap
You're going to the frontlines Vladimir

>>722977143
mitsubishi makes fucking pencils?

Mizaki isn't even that good

>>722967040 (OP)
It's not any better or worse, and also it's not my problem, and also I didn't actually get the equivalence you're trying to make

>>722967626
Then collaborate with or hire someone who does

>>722978768
What if they call me a chud?

>>722977508
Mitsubishi is a giant corporation and makes fucking everything.

WHERE IS IT?
I thought we'd enter a new era of creativity,where everyone would find things impossible to surpass with human capabilities, with stunning games and artworks generated by a single idea guy who's always been gatekept by his drawing incompetence.
Where is it?
>>722974707
AI is a tool, yes, but a tool like a roomba, not a Dyson vacuum cleaner you need to hold. Nuance.

>>722967040 (OP)
That's the thing. AI has produced zero good games. When AI is good, people won't care. It's still shot, and will remain shit for years.

If I know a game uses AI I'm not buying it. Keep it a secret if you want money.

>>722979231
AI can do small tasks. It's not going to produce a AAA game because it loses track all the time. If you want something good out of AI, someone still needs to walk it while keeping a tight leash, and even then you will need to correct it constantly by hand.

Perhaps it will be able to replace a hack like George R.R. Martin at some point, but it can't replace Tolkien.

>>722979332
Better to lie about my product than pretend I'm some faggot to get decent artists.

Drawing feels good idk why people want to replace one of the best form of human expression so bad

this is beside any point of the op but ai is simply not accurate and thus it's usage diminished

>>722967040 (OP)
Any sjw game that depicts medieval europe as 100% black lesbian queens with disabilities will still be a billion times better than anything AI will ever shit out.
Trust me, once every fucking store is overflooding with the same AI generated minimum viable product bullshit, you'll be BEGGING for a handmade game about how the transgenders won the war of the roses.
Remember how early mobile gaming was kinda going in a cool direction, with people experimenting with making actual games for phones? Phoenix Wright ports and the like? But then the market instead got flooded by barely-games that either let you pay hundreds of dollars or wait 48 hours to advance? It's gonna be like that but a thousand times worse in terms of how low effort these games are.
Remember NFTs? How that dumb ape shit went through the roof because it went viral, and then everyone and their mother tried to make their own low effort ugly ass NFT project? That's what gamings gonna be like.
https://store.steampowered.com/curator/44890611-AI-Generated-Slop/
This curator has fucking given up marking slop in january already. There's countless of these fucking AI generated "simulator" games.
You will laugh at me now, but trust me. Once you drown in this fucking soulless low effort slop, you will be BEGGING for a handcrafted experience, no matter how much it "misrepresents history".

>>722979483
Generating art is also a form of human expression, just as much as telling a story is.

>>722979483
I can draw and make people mad with AI art. I don't need to deprive myself of any enjoyment.

>>722979541
Maybe to a subversive and spiteful kike like you.

>>722967040 (OP)
>buyed
saar

>>722979585
For me it's only good for making people angry, or getting started on subjects I know nothing about.

>>722979483
>replace
that one I believe is people trying to make a profit first and foremost before anything else. I think any other intent would be a very small, sad minority by comparison.

>>722967040 (OP)
those faggots use AI too

>>722974889
kys corpo nigger

>>722967040 (OP)
Now you get all the same wokeshit but with less effort put into it and you're happy about that?

>>722980186
socialists are a corpo niggers too

>>722980224
Yeah, my local model doesn't do that.

>>722974707
>ai is a tool just like a pencil. nobody blames the pencil for their inability to draw proportionately
AI is not a tool like a pencil. Ai is a tool like an automatic lawnmower, or like the other anon said, like a roomba. It's not something you use to get the job done, it's something you tell what the job is, and it does the job for you. And if your lawnmower or roomba starts smearing shit all over the place, you'd be pretty pissed.
>ai artists are not bound by fads or whales
Actually wrong. AI can by definition only draw what other people have drawn. AI can never and will never be able to create something wholey unique, because "Artificial intelligence" is a marketing misnomer. It has no intelligence. AI is a remix-tool, with a FUCKHUGE ton of references both for text, and image, that lets you re-mix references into "new" images. But since AI has no actual intelligence, it can't come up with things not referenced. That's why when you ask it to draw a glass of wine full to the brim or almost overflowing it will draw you a nearly full glass, but it has trouble drawing an actually fully topped up glass. Because 99% of all references it has do not have the glass that full. If you ask it to draw an analog clock showing the time 6:35, it will likely draw 10:10. Because that's the most common clock reference. Why before it went viral when you asked it how many "r"s there are in strawberry it came up with wrong answers. Why it told you to put glue in your pizza for stringy cheese pulls, or eat 2 to 3 small rocks a day. Because it's just a remix tool, repeating shit. You couldn't make it do Ghibli style, without Ghibli references.
And that is why if AI kills "real" artists, everything is gonna get 10 times shittier. Because you will kiss originality bye bye. It's gonna be like No Mans Sky infinite planets: "oh, This one has purple skye, red grass, and orange clouds" It's gonna be the same shit, shuffled around in new ways.

>>722980330
Your brain can't create anything new. It can only remix what you have already experienced.

>>722979725
Let me ask you a question: How sick are you of looting games that all have some form of this UI? How many games are there with the same fucking "Missions / map / Inventory / skills" tabs? How many games with the same gear system that is little more than a chore forcing you to equip the higher numbers every 10 minutes? How many games do you know that feel the fucking same and are not worth playing? Now imagine how bad that's gonna become when every fucker on the planet with a hundred dollars and an AI premium subscription gets the ability to say: "make me another one of these" and starts shitting them up onto the steam store? Again: You might think niggers in medieval poland are the worst right now, but you'll be BEGGING to get that kinda shit back, once you're overrun with AI slop.

>>722967187
The plan is for AI to replacing workers, not the people making decisions. If anything video games are going to get more woke if AI takes over because the threshold for profit will be lower.

People who think AI is going to save them from "woke" are some of the most retarded people you will ever meet on the internet and I'm done arguing with them. I think they secretly just want everything to burn down because they think the line on their crypto wallet is going to go up.

>>722980330
I think with sufficient investment it might be able to help someone "cheaply"/quickly spitball some out-there applications or combinations without tremendous time investment, that may be its highlight.
Whether or not it's cost effective to anyone besides the user, lol

>>722980595
Do I care? People got paid to destroy 40k Warhammer and blame the consumer for the backlash. At least AI doesn't lecture me on human rights when I ask it about programming questions. The less people get paid for dragging everything into shit the better. It means that there's less bad karma in the end.

>>722974707
Based AI KING.

>>722980423
No nigger, you are retarded. The human brain is incredibly powerful and can conceptualize. If you had never seen a fucking clock, someone could describe a clock to you, and with reasonable artistic skill, you could create a mockup of a clock. And if someone then told you "make it show 6:35" you could make it do that. AI does not work like that. If AI has not seen something like it, AI can not create it.
You, as a human being do not have to have seen something in order to create it. You can visualize shit, in your head. Humans created pictures of shit that does not exist in any form in nature.

>>722980670
Well yeah, Ai can quickly throw together existing shit. I'm just pointing out that all these "can't wait for AI to replace artists" folks are being short sighted. AI works by feeding of artists. You got no artists, you got no AI. Some researchers are apparently already worried that the massive onslaught of AI content, is to a degree "poisoning" the learning sets for AI, as AI learning from AI creates worse results.

we need tech bro holocaust
preferably after umbrella corpos like blackrock/vanguard whatever fuck and anyone involved with them gets purged

>>722967040 (OP)
>how is baseball worse than apples
I'm glad someone finally brought this pressing issue up.

>>722980330
The thing that AI bros will never understand is that no machine can ever compete with the power of human autism.

>>722973609
This post was far more babble than the OP.
Don't think highly of yourself please.

>>722967040 (OP)
faber castell, fancy

>>722980956
time constraint can
i do experience many similar things ai does too, like thinking and how image generation works in my head
t. turbo acoustic

>>722980873
¨Conceptualizing is taking things you've seen before and rearranging them in ways that don't necessarily even make sense.

>>722974889
you are lying, you can earn money with AI but not 6k a month lol.

>>722974889
How did you get started on twitter? I barely get 10 views on my shit and I see niggas that started two months ago have 5000 followers. It's depressing.

>>722980843
>Do I care?
I mean, if you ever want to get original, non-slop video games / movies / tv shows again, you should. Don't get me wrong. You strike me as an anti-sjw guy, who's pissed at lefties infecting your favourite media. And that's fair. But here's the thing: If this AI shit goes where the AI faggots want it to go, the people creating season 4 of The Boys, Black Lightning, and "warhammer 40k is satire about fascism, acktschully" are not gonna be the only ones that disappear.
The people making the shit that YOU like, be it XCOM, Dark Souls, Sekiro, Hearts of Iron, Yakuza, Hotline Miami, fucking whatever it might be, they're also going away. (Insert your favourite video games of the last 2 decades here I guess).
And in the long run, it is MUCH smarter to just avoid the games made by SJW cucks, and get the games that you like that are good, than to burn media in general to the fucking ground, in the hope that it kills the 5 assholes that ruined your favourite thing.
Me personally: I fucking hate nu trek. It's pure garbage now. But I'm not gonna root for AI to make all TV slop, just to put the people who ruined Star Trek out of work, ya know?

>>722981050
The thing AI bros usually hype up is how fast AI allegedly is, but if the results are bad either a human is going to have to spend time fixing it, or it'd going to have to go out with either very visible problems or straight up not being what the project lead or client asked for.

AI bros love AI because they don't know anything about the creative process. They see a fast product that to their untrained eye is just as good as the real thing, and they don't ask any more questions. They aren't the type of person who would direct an actor on set to rework a line and emphasize certain words, so to them it's not a problem that an AI voice generator can't do that. They're not the kind of person who would tell an animator to shift the camera 10 degrees and exaggerate the character's shoulder and eyebrow movements more, so to them it doesn't matter that there are no GUI tools for manipuating AI characters like with 3D software. It's all about "I made this and I never had to talk to one of those dumb smelly artists, now I am entitled to make money off of it."

>>722967040 (OP)
Fuck off back to India you waste of goddamn space. >>722974707
>what AI shits out
Why would I want any shit? Remedial talents or garbage spammed out by a machine is the same crap to me, and both can be purged from the net. And, hopefully will be. But, the "problems" with AI don't stop there. It's a power guzzling, IP stealing, pile of goddamn shit. It's by no stretch of the imagination producing anything. It's by technical definition and factual observation a data destroying process. The more its used the more information is corrupted and loss by the process. The more it takes from itself the further this process happens until nothing is left but hash.

>>722980423
>Your brain can't create anything new.
This is wrong. Lifeforms do in fact create information. Your brain included.

>>722981290
I have a backlog. Have channels I trust. The only problem I have is YouTube railroading my account into content that is obviously slop automatically.

>>722967040 (OP)
If you weren't a consumerist golem with no understanding of human soul you wouldn't need to ask this question.

>>722981517
So does a computer by flipping bits. Doesn't say anything about its novelty or usefulness but it's always technically new information.

>>722981358
It is incredible how bad it still is. Yeah, they managed to stop turning hands into nightmare bullshit, but you take one look at an AI image and your brain just yells "AI" at you. it's still making fundamental mistakes like putting the sun behind the character, and then having the it glare on the clothes from the front, but also draw shadows like it's coming from both the top right, and straight above. Materials completely inconsistent, yeah you can make Ai art that looks "good enough" if you don't loook at it for longer than a second, but if you say "hey look at this art" and someone actually starts critiquing it, it becomes a fucking CVS receipt of flaws.
Also: LMAO at this dude calling prompting "ai assisted art" like he did 90% of it and let the AI do finishing touches, when in reality all he did was come up with what he wanted from the machine. Like going to McDonalds and calling your order "the McDonalds assisted dinner I cooked".

>>722981545
We all have backlogs for shows and games and movies. But we will run out. We are going to want something new. And if AI slop wins, when you do crave something new, this is the shit you're gonna get: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqnBJHU7si4 Because, yeah: spoiler Disney, the people who are faggyfying all your favourite franchies, are also the ones replacing previously cool stuff with AI. So you're not even putting the people you hate out of work.

>>722981709
He spent hours trying to fix it with inpainting and it still came out looking bad. That's the stupidest part of AI, you'll spend more time trying to fix it than it would have taken to just draw the thing, and even a bad drawing is still going to be appreciated more than one more drop of AI slop in the ocean.

>>722981607
>So does a computer by flipping bits.
No, it doesn't.

>>722981709
Both look like shit. Both are based on the work of a real artist.

>>722981814
What cool stuff? They're making the faggot stuff into artificial faggot stuff. The worst thing that can happen is that the output actually improves, but I think it will just keep getting worse instead.

>>722967040 (OP)
a reminder that miyazak is not the japanese walt disney
he's japanese john kricfalusi
>"waaa your stuff isn't animated good enough"
>shits on other anime/cartoons
>is a pedo
>dick to everyone

>>722981865
My only hope is that the aformentioned AI cannibalism fucks it all up to the point that it becomes unsuable. Where it just can't find non-ai training data and everything becomes fucking worse and worse because AI is learning from Ai that learned from Ai that learned from AI.

>>722981901
Yes it does. There's a reason why the whole field is called IT.

>>722981961
The stuff you actually like, nigger. Stop focusing on the retards you're angry at, and think for a second about the shit you actually enjoy.

>>722981968
Japanse pedophiles are based. Western pedophiles are evil kikes.

>>722982050
Nobody is making good stuff. Nobody has even promised to make good stuff. I'm not angry at people. I'm just telling you what is going on and why nothing is worth buying.

Imagine being the billionaire nigger that's dumping billions and tons of energy into his aislopmachine.
Is he going after the tedious and dangerous jobs? Is he going to try and find a cure to cancer? nope, he's going after the field that requires human sovvl the most. I hope the human race gets wiped out by an asteroid

>>722981998
It's already there, the enthusiasts just haven't accepted it yet.

Anyone who is interested in making stuff that has some of the visual complexity of AI images but aren't interested in spending hours and hours on painting a single piece should learn to animate in Blender. Even if you don't make a career of it, you can still impress your friends and you'll have learned a new skill. Hell, you can even do stop motion photography using a smartphone, a tripod and a remote shutter switch, all you need to get started is something to use as a puppet.

>>722982190
>he will look at Hazbin Hotel and claim it has soul

>>722981464
>>what AI shits out
>Why would I want any shit?
i totally agree and i am a slop artist myself. i dislike when even my gens are low quality and i also dislike soulless slop done by human hand. bad art is bad art no matter what.
so post your art anon, lets us judge you by the merits you prosthelytize.

>But, the "problems" with AI don't stop there. It's a power guzzling, IP stealing, pile of goddamn shit. It's by no stretch of the imagination producing anything. It's by technical definition and factual observation a data destroying process.

you don't fully understand what you are talking about. "ai" is not a single monolithic thing. the local model i run on my computer has nothing to do with the lake-evaporating data centers that openai runs, and it takes no more energy to generate a lewd image of mai waifu than it does to play a video game. neither does it invalidate or destroy any human made works. that's a bit of an exaggeration, don't you think?

>The more its used the more information is corrupted and loss by the process.
an ai model does not "take" pictures from the internet and stitch them together like ye olde photoshoppe. it merely knows what humans think is aesthetically pleasing, just like an LLM knows how to write a convincingly factual sentence, but not actually what any of it means or if it is even true. being "trained" on images doesn't mean it's tracing, stealing or deleting the original art, it is only observing them and making note of artistic patterns.

>The more it takes from itself the further this process happens until nothing is left but hash.
LLMs and image generators are not a monolithic singular entity that recursively studies itself. there are thousands of completely separate independent ai constructs that are all trained and used for totally different purposes.
it's true that lots of commercial web-based models like chatgpt are trained on their own outputs but that is more for convenience, not a rule of life.

>>722982253
Something can have soul and still be crap. Something with no soul will always be crap though.

>>722982190
Billionaires do a bunch of dumb shit to make money. Sometimes it works other times they back the wrong tech like Meta did with VR.

>>722982326
that's like saying that AI can have soul
you're just a retard

>>722982378
That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying AI slop never has soul. All art is someone expressing themselves. A machine has no selff therefore the images and words it produces are not the product of human expression. They can be used in service to human expression to some degree but not in the way AI bros think.

>>722982484
That is what a soulless automaton would say.

AI shills should just stay on Discord.

>>722982139
>there's no more good stuff
good recent media I enjoyed:
>Silksong,
>Hellclock
>Expedition 33
>Mind Over Magic
>Andor
>Satisfactory
>Space Marine 2
>Ghost of Tsushima
>Animal Well
>Sixty Four
>Balatro
>Helldivers 2
>Tekken 8
>Rogue Trader
>Talos Principle II
>Armored Core VI
>Baldurs Gate III
>Remnant 2
>Returnal
>Dead Space remake
>Dwarf Fortress
>Midnight Suns
>vampire surviors
>Hardspace: Shipbreaker
>Death Stranding
>Tunic
>Elden Ring
>Hitman trilogy
>Dad of boy
>Monster Hunter Rise
That's from recently back to 2022. If you seriously found NOTHING to enjoy at all in the last 3 years, that sounds to me like a you being a fag problem, more than anything.
And these are just what I bought, there's probably more shit in there that I enjoy that I fucking pirated.

>>722982737
>Kojima sniffing his own farts
soul SOOOOOOOOUL!

>>722979483
AI's biggest shills are jews and pajeets. Both conveniently lack creativity and artistic skills.

>>722982847
So do Norwegians and Germans but no one ever talks about that.

>>722982787
My nigger it's a list of games I've enjoyed the last 3 years. Nobody is saying all these games are top tier kino, or that they are universally appealing. I love Hardspace: Shipbreaker, I would recommend it to barely any of my friends because it's the kinda shit I enjoy but they prob ably don't. Death Stranding was just one of like 30 games in the last 3 years that I would say "was a good game".

>>722980330
coping about some minor technical limitations caused by limited training data isn't really proof that ai can only remix what already exists.

you can still train ais with real non-ai generated data. "ai" isn't some nebulous magical skynet, it's just a bunch of fucking graphics cards in a building or on somebody's desk, and those two computer systems have absolutely nothing to do with each other. sora's training data isn't used on my computer nor are my trained models in openai's data center.
the full glass bug is rather funny because i think it's more of an issue with limited vocabulary and word association than a real training limitation. there's too much other stuff "glass full up to the brim" could mean, and in real life a "full glass" of drink isn't always necessarily filled right up to the top since you obviously need to be able to pick it up and drink it.

>>722982737
>I am a normalfag who is only "interested" in things that are loudly put right in front of my face
Lmao.

>>722974271
>worrrrrrrm
compromised 4chan faggot subculture bitch

>>722982950
I've enjoyed Factorio. But when it comes to the narrative aspect the whole industry has taken a collective nosedive.

Kojima is still more amusing than most of the clowns that pretend to be writers.

It's funny how many arguments against AI are purely imaginary
>N-NO! IT LOOKS LIKE PISS!
Only an issue with some shitter chatgpt crap only morons use.
>N-NO THE HANDS ARE BAD
Hasn't been an issue in like a year or more

>>722967040 (OP)
>How is AIslop any worse than gamedevs misrepresenting history
this nigga thinks he's learning history from playing GAMES

>>722983235
Honestly surprised people don't complain about the eyes as much if not more than hands.

>>722982484
>A machine has no selff therefore the images and words it produces are not the product of human expression.

except no ai model just generates images on it's own. they all require human input, sometimes a great deal of tweaking and prompt sculpting to get what you want. you have to have good vocabulary and a literary mind to be able to describe what it is that you want created, and in the end it is a human who decides if it is good enough to post on the internet. ais are tools, nothing more. to pretend they have some sort of wild autonomy is absurd.

>>722983274
Humiliation rituals are unethical, simple as.

GameDev is easier than ever, it's just a matter of putting in time and effort. I think the problem with AI is that it could theoretically lower the bar of entry to being non-existent and once we reach there things just inherently lose their value altogether. At some point the content you consume you stop engaging with on a meaningful sense and just becomes pure noise.

>>722967040 (OP)
AI is terrible at representing history. Prompt a viking and it will give them a cartoonish horned hat.

>AI can't make you feel real emotions
yes it can, people are furious

>>722982940
Germans compensate by being engineers and Norwegians compensate by causing everyone around them to road rage.

>>722983405
The old classics will become mandatory reading again. Finally.

>>722983436
you got a problem with baller ass horned hats, buddy?

>>722983501
I wish. But if memes are anything to go by we're just gonna get AI versions of the classics just like how people feed current memes into the AI and have it spit out the same image but with a shitty Ghibli filter.

>>722983235
>Only an issue with some shitter chatgpt crap only morons use.
Funny how you can say that. AI Defenders always go
>REEEEEEEEEEE ALL ARTISTS ARE FAGS AND MUST HANG!!!!
>BECAUSE THIS ONE RANDOM GUY ON TWITTER MAKES SHIT ART AND DOESN'T LIKE ME
But when the vast majority of AI art looks garbage it's instead
>ah nah man, that's just if they're bad, and as such you should ignore them
>doesn't matter if 90% of it's terrible and obnoxious, you should only care about the good stuff, come on

>>722983461
oh shit you're right

>>722983580
>ai anti has a scizo melty proving the poster he quoted right

>>722983436
so are these AAA devs, thus proving OPs point

>>722967040 (OP)
Meds

>>722983569
That's like letting your children eat candy for dinner. If you let that happen to your own kids. You're not only reckless. You're downright evil.

>>722983235
Promitional artwork used for a upcoming paid Shadow Empire DLC.

>>722983692
no, that's not evil
evil is giving them nothing but Swedish Fish

Though I'm more of a "fan" for this one.
>>722983646
He is perfectly correct, this is accurate AIshill behavior.

>>722983730
depends on the fish

>>722983692
>That's like letting your children eat candy for dinner.

you only have to let your kids do that once before they realize why you're not supposed to eat nothing but candy, it's a great lesson in moderation.

>>722983816
Some have an absurdly high tolerance for slop, and if they eat salty snacks instead that shit won't probably even work.

>>722983102
No nigger, the glass and the clock example are explicit examples of the training data limiting the AI. Almost all clocks display 10 and 2 in reference pictures. So when you ask AI to draw a clock at a certain time, it will most likely draw 10 and 2 no matter what time you asked for. Not because "oh, language is just so limiting to explain that you want 6:35" but because AI is not intelligent, AI is an image remix tool, and if you ask it for a clock, it doesn't know what a clock is. It knows "numbers from 1 to 12, and 2 to 3 indicators, most likely pointing at 2 and 10".
Same with the wine shit. It just doesn't have any examples of wine being filled to the point that only surface tension is holding it in. Thus, it can not draw it.
And yeah, because these are viral problems, the AI owners are gonna feed it references so it will eventually be able to do these examples. Just how the "strawberry Rs" problem went viral and it got manually fixed.
But the point is again: AI is not "intelligent" it is a remix tool. If you ask it something it has 0 reference for, it's gonna spit out nonsense.

>>722983717
>>722983768
looks like very bad inpainting of several individually generated character pics on top of a shitty oneshot background gen and trying to ape the style of early '00s cg instead of working to the strengths of the medium

as an ai artist myself i would be embarrassed to put those images out. even if it was drawn or true cgi i'd still say it was bad. look at the size of those fucking balloons what the shit even is that
also redhead's rapeface lmaoooo

>>722984005
You have the training data from observing the clock for your whole life.

>>722983580
>NO MOST OF IT LOOKS BAD
Even if that were true, wow just like real art online I guess. You do realize you grew spoiled by danbooru etc, right

>>722983717
Sucks you like crap games that think so lowly of you. Here's an image my model ran on a shitty 8GB vram card put out.

>>722984220
>wow just like real art online I guess
Yes anon, that was the point.

>>722984123
Brother. A human child, that has never seen a clock before, can be shown a picture of a clock, be told: "Draw this, but with the indicators pointing at 6, and 7" AI struggles with this, because AI does not have intelligence to conceptualize something it has never seen before. Or rather, it doesn't understand what you want from it, because it doesn't have the intelligence to recognize what a clock is, or what the numbers mean, or what "6:35" in the context of a clock means. Because it is just a remix tool. Human experience and AI training data work differently. One is used as an analogy for the others, because it makes it easier to explain, but what happens beyond that is entirely different.

>>722984521
You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. It is probably still true at the moment, too.

>>722984521
Children can't read analogue clocks anymore unc.

>>722984005
>no matter what time you asked for
it has no concept of time you dolt
a clock is a wall circle with some squiggles and lines on it, it doesn't know what 6:35 is because it's not trained to know what time is or how clocks work. you are making assumptions that because something can draw something it knows conceptually what it is, while you are a human being who has spent the past 25+ years reading clocks and experiencing the passage of time.
go ask a 6 month old baby what time it is and you will likely get a similar answer. shit, even i was into double digits before i could comfortably read an analog clock.

>It just doesn't have any examples of wine being filled to the point that only surface tension is holding it in. Thus, it can not draw it.
i honestly think this is just because nobody gives a fuck about drawing full glasses of wine.
if you're drawing a character drinking wine the glass will never be totally full, just like in real life, if you are at a dinner party and want a "full" glass of wine you will get half a glass because it's polite. there is thus confusion in the training about what full actually is and nobody really cares enough to correct it. that doesn't mean an ai is flawed, it's entirely the fault of the humans who trained it.

>>722984521
>Brother. A human child, that has never seen a clock before, can be shown a picture of a clock, be told: "Draw this, but with the indicators pointing at 6, and 7"

then ask that same child to look at what they've drawn and tell you what time it represents without further explaining which hand indicates which fraction of a day. they will likely not be able to do so.

nobody arguing against ai actually cares about art. its all about investments. time and or money. of course you know about the college grads who think theyre going to draw hentai for a living, but there is another side to it.
when you can make better pictures for a fraction of a cent than what someone paid hundreds of dollars for and waited weeks for, they see that as devaluing something they have, showing that they never really cared about the artistic value of it in the first place.
it was never about 'art', its just something to exploit to these people. tear it from their uncaring hands.

>>722985103
>seize the means of production mfs when their means of production gets pirated

>>722985103
>nobody arguing against ai actually cares about art
i for one can not coom to ai slop so it's useless
learn to draw jeet

>>722985234
I can't coom to female Lucarios with breasts, compromises have to be made.

>>722984820
No you are correct in WHY there are no pictures of 100% full wine glasses. you are incorrect that it is not an AI flaw. Same as the first point.
The whole selling point of AI is that it is "Articifical Intelligence". But it is not. AI has exactly 0 intelligence, is my point. If it had intelligence, it could realize these concepts, understand what you are asking it, and comply. The "intelligence" part of AI is pure marketing. That's why LLM is more accurate. I am using these examples to point out that AI is not what it pretends to be, or what AI bros market it as. That's why it couldn't count "r"s in strawberry. Because it just repeats shit it read before. And because it is not actual intelligence, this will keep happening with fringe requests. It is also why AI content will always be slop. Because it's just regurgitated content.
It's like procedural generation: You can play no mans sky, and visit planets for the rest of your life, with no two planets ever being exactly the same. But after 5 planets it will feel like you keep seeing the same fucking planets because it's doing minor changes from a limited pool of options, which alltogether add up to more possible variations than atoms in the observable universe. AI is doing something similar on a much grander scale. Re-mixing from a pool of inputs, but never going to be able to create something BEYOND that input, until we create ACTUAL intelligence.
Because as much as tard-anon keeps yelling "BUT HUMAN BABIES LEARN FROM HAVING INPUT" that doesn't mean that ergo computers learning from input have intelligence and ability to create the same way humans have.
And I want to note: I'm not even fully against AI. I would just like Ai to take over jobs nobody wants, like being toilet cleaning and fruit picking robots or whatever, before they put artists out of a job.

>>722981968
>>"waaa your stuff isn't animated good enough"
>>shits on other anime/cartoons
>>is a pedo
>>dick to everyone
I can relate to this!

Cut the shit. Post YOUR art.

>>722985734
I drew this lion recently

>>722985558
>The whole selling point of AI is that it is "Articifical Intelligence". But it is not. AI has exactly 0 intelligence, is my point.

ok so you drank the marketing kool-aid
pro tip: the AI bots in your vidya games are not actually AI either. AI as a term is science-fiction and doesn't exist, but is often applied to computer programs that attempt replicate some aspects of human intelligence. it does not, and never has, meant that the program has human intelligence or sapience or the ability to reason.
that is a failure in your training data, anon.

>>722985790
>drew
you traced a photograph a photographer made of a lion

>>722985734
sketchbook assortment

>>722984220
Wow, generic anime slop.
>>722985103
Yawn. No nigger, I argue against AI because I DON'T want more corner cutting in my entertainment, I don't want more handholding, I don't want lowered standards and I ESPECIALLY don't want any "it's better because it's faster and cheaper and doesn't require skill" bullshit in my media.
Fuck off turd worlder.

>>722985981
then get off your ass and make something instead of crying about it
the world doesn't bow to you

>make a whole ass blog post about how there's no actual Intelligence in AI and it's all marketing
>get accused of having swallowed the marketing kool-aid
why the fuck am i even arguing on this peruvian basket weaver forum full of retards? I'm out. You fags won. You're too fucking stupid to argue with.

>>722985981
>I argue against AI because I DON'T want more corner cutting in my entertainment
All those low quality rushed parts in games can just be trained on the finished parts and produce quicker so you don't end up seeing unfinished rushed shit anymore

>>722986059
i don't know why don't you ask a quake 3 bot about it

>>722985981
you arent arguing against corner cutting. youre arguing against progress that leaves you behind.

>>722967169
OP is ESL scum

>>722983646
why do you suck so much corporate cock? are you a tranny by chance?

>>722973307
>i am pro-AI because artist can only make permutations of existing art
this unironically. It baffles me when people cry "b-b-but I didn't give AI permission to use my art as training data! You weren't supposed to see that!" like you haven't been pirating and looking at art inspiration from google searches for free your whole life and getting around paywalls.

>>722967908
I hope most of these are just dumb kids being cringe.

>>722986040
No, stop throwing more garbage on top of the endlessly growing pile.
>>722986080
Never post about things you don't understand, pajeet.
>>722986150
>>722973307
Street shitters.
Also daily reminder the main reason why AI shills bitch and moan about "muh artists" constantly is because turd worlders are led to believe "artists" are part of the elite and like anyone higher on the social ladder exist to opress them, so they think AIslop is their revolution.

>>722979483
1) Laziness;
2) Greed;
3) To spite artists;
4) Lack of creativity;
5) All of the above.

>>722985873
I used reference and made stylistic choices based on my personal preferences, although I can draw from imagination just fine too

>>722974889
>the general masses literally dont give a fuck if you use ai or not, they just want good art
it's literally the opposite, normies get turned off when they heard or think they see AI regardless of how true it is. In many cases AI has gotten so indistinguishable from drawn art that people subject themselves to dubious tests off feelings and then feel smug when they think it fails those tests like they figured it out. I know you've seen those cases of "lol well learn to draw less like an AI and maybe you won't get downvoted, sweetheart". It's brainrot really.
Meanwhile if you use AI in ways that compliment or piggyback off your artstyle the normies don't give two shits, not because they "respect your tempered use of AI", but just because they can't see it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPJcU4yprO4

>>722979541
It's true that trends are becoming more and more viral but fade away faster than ever.
Older techniques tend to remain centuries after even if they feel less popular (painting, literarure, and so on...

>>722986395
You sound upset. You're completely incapable of seeing good in other people it seems.

>>722986468
Exactly. Same goes for self written articles but if you just end up using em dash in the correct place OMG AI AI AI AI.

>>722975330
We all agree Meta sucks when they give out you personal data to whoever the fuck they want, even of your children despite COPPA getting them in trouble and they get tickled a few thousands dollars in fines, but what are you consooming kW of power on your machine every day for that's so much more altruistic?

>>722985734
my potions are too strong for you, traveller

>>722986317
>No, stop throwing more garbage on top of the endlessly growing pile.
hownew.ru

>>722967040 (OP)
You're terminally online and your entire personality is hating liberals.

>>722979483
>replace
You've fallen for the meme, the only ones being celebrated for getting priced out were the self-important artists who never finish commissions and have a year's worth of commission backlog who spend their time on Bluesky tweeting about how working is such bullshit and beneath them.
I like drawing, my friend gave me an old tablet I've been using to draw. I also like AI. Why not both?

>>722985981
>generic anime slop whipped up by an amateur is better than the trash in that game
Yes, that's the point. Womp womp.

>>722983334
Shad isn't it past your bedtime in Australia?

AI is going to be forced on devs so the publishers can lay people off and try to make 1 person do the work of 3. EA has said as much and Microsoft is currently forcing it. This can only lead to rushed development and bad practices. Yes it potentially can cut the budget or things could go terribly like when 343 cut costs by hiring contractors they had to constantly retrain. It's pie in the sky positive thinking the suits think will magically solve problems without testing if it's a good idea.

No idea why you fags shill AI so hard when it's openly injected with all the shit you despise - censorship, moderation, niggers, leftist bias, tranny shit etc. You used AI with 10 layers of jailbreaking for so long that you think it's the default experience.
>muh local
Not a single dev will bother with this for 2 reasons:
1. Same reason for why most devs use unity or unreal when a properly designed custom made engine allows for way better performance, stability and general polish thanks to you specifically designing it for what you want to accomplish - there are premade, easily accessible solutions within your reach so why bother?
2. Any dev who tries it wil just get spooked with all the scary evil racist bigoted pedophile nazis who will use his game to harm children if he doesn't use any censorship
It's that simple.
>>722986567
>he felt called out
Lol.

>>722984005
If the AI can draw the hand at a perspective they can redraw it flipped to another position and angle. Now if you were like 70 degrees off from looking at the clock straight on, then we might have a challenge for the AI, but that also depends on the training data.

>>722986654
I only hate liberals because they were the only friends I ever had growing up. I hated pretending to agree with them. I hated looking the other way when they were cruel, and I hated to live the life of a liar.

>>722986710
it's like 6pm over there what the fuck are you talking about retard

>>722986773
I'm just pointing out that you lack basic empathy.

AI steals your drawing
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
You ask ChatGPT help with your essay or code something which it stole
>YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS

>>722967040 (OP)
>most coherent MIGA-tard

>>722986857
coders aren't people

>>722986893
>disagreeing with someone makes you MIGA
do you dehumanize everyone that makes you upset or just some people?

>>722986895
true they're robots but artists are insects, just because nature and animals make pretty things too

>>722986773
You can't rely on OpenAI to run your whole output system of your "Creative" engine. It will halt once it gets requests that are questionable enough, and I'm not going to create a system where I have to rewrite shit because the devs blacklisted certain prompts.

>>722987056
stop putting rape in your game rajesh

>>722986773
> You used AI with 10 layers of jailbreaking

my local model is perfectly happy generating disturbingly satanic and gory demon gangrape where the girl is literally skull fucked, her womb evicerated, and her tortured corpse converted into a zombie succubus who then rapes her own dad (from his pov) without any jailbreaking or externally sourced loras. there is no censorship unless you are using a datacenter-based commercial model like sora and then it is only to cover their ass legally. they don't really care if you jerk it to weird fetishes.

>>722986739
It will go the way of Taco Bell AI drive thrus, people are realizing how pedantic it is to wrangle AI in their workflow and find it not worth their time.
Crazy thing is, I saw Checkers/Rallys use AI in their drive thrus for a year and a half prior and it worked better than humans talking to me who can't press the buttons correctly every time or who don't know their own menu. When the entire fast food service industry is subjected to people who want a job but then suddenly have standards when the available work are food service or retail, you realize why so many McDolands are understaffed as fuck and why there's so few people on shift that they have nobody to man the cash registers and have to use AI and self checkouts over real humans. Doesn't help that a decade prior the budget allocated to paying shifts in stores have been slashed hard. Shit, I worked at a grocery story during the pandemic, good luck getting over 25 hours a week if you weren't a manager. Working entry level jobs for a living means you had to work between 2 jobs just to make ends meat.

>>722973307
you never know what drawing styles might emerge from other people, which is why i am pro-artist, call me a pro-artist AI enthusiast

>>722987195
And yet the burger flipping robots are still MIA.

>>722987140
>meanwhile, actual art made by humans

>>722986773
>No idea why you fags shill AI so hard when it's openly injected with all the shit you despise - censorship, moderation, niggers, leftist bias, tranny shit etc.
works fine on my machine. Literally, I do it on my computer and it works as I want it to. I can finetune models to weed out what I don't want and put in more of what I want.
>You used AI with 10 layers of jailbreaking for so long that you think it's the default experience.
Next you will call the Openoffice project "jailbroken Microsoft Word". Almost everything in the world have open source alternatives that you don't need some big corpo constantly logging and monitoring your activity on. Genuinely learn and use them, if more people do we can break out of Microsoft's/Google's/Apple's stranglehold of technology in the software sector.

>>722976483
>>722978768
>t. never worked with artists
The quickest way to sink any project.

before adding machines were invented being a "computer" was an actual human job.
before graphics even existed, humans had to draw for the computer.
nobody cried when these tasks were taken away from people and given to machines who could do them better.
oh but when it's just popular music or pedestrian art
>nooo it's soulless a computer can never etc etc etc

even though it was a human who used the tool to make the thing, not the tool operating itself.

>>722987550
you when you lose your job to AI because it's not just "the scribes" you corpo cocksucker

>>722982264
>so post your art anon, lets us judge you by the merits you prosthelytize.
You're seeing my "art" right now. And, it's one you're particularly lacking in.
>i am a slop artist myself
Learn to better articulate and express yourself before calling yourself an artist.
>the local model i run on my computer has nothing to do with the lake-evaporating data centers that openai runs
It's the exact same thing. This isn't some technology used in isolation, nor can you look at any subject matter like that, it's literal algorithmic cancer. I've personally seen it trash and ruin several mainstream websites in the short time it's existed. AI spam has all but ruined Jewtube. And, I have to use search engines equipped to screen filter AI image mills from their results or else I can't find usable and real examples of what I'm looking for.
>it merely knows what humans think is aesthetically pleasing
No, that's not how the technology works. It directly copies existent samples of images, and then blends them together, poorly. This isn't some unknown fact, either. There's a major controversy over the plagiarism habits of "AI" right now.
>LLMs and image generators are not a monolithic singular entity that recursively studies itself. there are thousands of completely separate independent ai constructs that are all trained and used for totally different purposes.
>it's true that lots of commercial web-based models like chatgpt are trained on their own outputs but that is more for convenience, not a rule of life.
It can't study itself because the data is destroyed in the process. It has to draw from existent information, which is then butchered. When it does take from itself the information is degraded into literal white noise.

>>722967040 (OP)
>How is AIslop any worse than gamedevs misrepresenting history as their slop piece changing designs and story to fit their narrative trying to be unique and quirky?
As much as I hate what they're doing at the very least they have to use their brain and make a design or put a modicim of effort in to actually making something.
AI on the other hand is just low quality trash without the effort.

AI is a tool. Its an easy to use trol so there is a lot of slop with it, same as default unreal engine assets and crap like that.

But it is a tool and you can make cool pics of you know how to inpaint, prompt, train create loras and curate images.

But because most artists are faggots they opposite it. Because they are luddites, because they don't really care about art, but about being an ((((artist)))).

If they cared about the art on itself they would realize AI is useful for some stuff and they would include it in their workflow, but because it has opened the gates of art to other ((((lesser)))) people (unlike them) then they don't like art.


Artists are faggots, it's the same shit as complaining about Photoshop when real pencils exist.

>>722987886
It's not a tool if it does everything for you. If I google search an image I didn't make that image.

>>722988339
It doesn't, it follows patterns but you still have to know what patterns you want. Inpainting exists, loras and weights and prompts exist, you can still edit the images with Photoshop afterwards.

They don't care about art, they just want an us vs them like all leftists do everywhere.

Let's not pretend a Patreon artist drawing girls with boobs it's something deep or with deep artistic meaning.

>>722988280
So basically you're just as bad as those artists with the exact same sense of entitlement but you can't claim to have done any kind of work.

>>722988436
>they just want an us vs them like all leftists do everywhere.
Anon, it's the leftists supporting AI.

>>722967040 (OP)
>misrepresenting official, narrative on history
Fixed you.

>>722980330
I was the roomba comparison guy, and your second paragraph is 100% spot on : you clearly understand what's going to happen if we keep going this way...Thanks.

>>722988436
Unless you are heavily utilizing inpainting everywhere you are just hitting the feeling lucky button. There is no artistic process in that.

>>722988275
You can make a conscious design with AI, it's not just an image gen slots machine like most sloppers flooding the web use it.
You can doodle in Krita with rough sketches and splotches of color and then just gen them into something properly rendered at various denoise strengths, on an area per area basis. You control the entire composition and contents that way.

>>722987886
Pretty sure Paul Bunyan was those tears in a story form.
>>722988436
>Let's not pretend a Patreon artist drawing girls with boobs it's something deep or with deep artistic meaning.
I agreed with the first two lines and even understand this point, but I disagree with it on the grounds that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it's the individual's role to establish what they gleam or not. I understand you're challenging the sanctity of lewd artists drawing other peoples' characters doing different things, fair enough, but the trap that anti-AI people fall into is losing the ability to appreciate the human expression. I won't say I drew the AI art, but I certainly can assert if it suits my artistic vision and the expression I'm attempting to portray, like >>722983334 says.

>>722988438
Again, AIshills are pajeets who think "muh artists" are some sort of elite and they'd never reach their level without AIslop because drawing requires a bit of effort.

>>722979383
Most people think GRRM is the far superior writer and AI could never replace him or write the definitive end to ASOIAF

>>722988438
Nigga, I don't care about being an artist or the deep and profound meaning of an anime girl licking a popsicle, I just want cool art that looks good.

That's the thing, artists don't care about art, they care about the status they want the "I'm an artist" tag.
>>722988475
No? Most AI critique is made by coloured hair and tattooed leftists flags with piercings that are seeing their who broken and that the superiority complex they have with the artist crap its not real.

Pens, Photoshop, posing, whatever you call it it's the wall between me and the picture I want. If I could snap my fingers and have the image I want, I would do it.
Some people enjoy the process of drawing, some don't and that's ok. The problem is draw faggots wanting to kill AI because it bothers them, same as Cain killing Abel. Like, leave me alone.

>>722987140
>>722987417
I already talked about local models you dumb pajeet retards. Not a single developer will use anything "local" or uncensored because they will be scared of pedophiles and nazis.

>>722988729
being an artist is an insanely simple bar to reach. That isn't attacking artist's practice, what I simply mean is an artist is what an artist does.
Nobody gens because they're seething that they can't do it themselves, think of all the shitpost pieces you fancy for ten seconds and decided not to draw because you had better things to do, AI gives you the power to bring that to reality and do what else you have to do with your time.

>>722985802
nice

>>722988717
Anon, ai it's a tool. Photoshop is a tool, your hands are a tool. Its just the means you have to achieve something. If we had 4 legs and 0 arms, then we would draw with our legs and it would be harder.

Make an indol with things being easy or hard, I don't agree with it.

Human expression occurs every day and most of the time it's shit, because most of what it is expressed it's shit. Human expression will carry on, the tools maybe will change, but no one is forcing you to use ai and no one is forcing you to use a pen. People using traditional methods still exist, it's there, who fucking cares about indians using slop because they are retarded.

The problem is them spamming the internet with their crap. It doesn't matter if it's AI generated or hand generated, shit is shit.

>>722988813
>Not a single developer will use anything "local" or uncensored because they will be scared of pedophiles and nazis.
Source? I want to know what kinds of backends and models major companies use in game dev and drawing, nobody really talks about that. I'm almost certain a hospital using AI to assist with diagnostics would be running locally, hopefully the same for geologists expanding earthquake tremor catalogs.

>>722987886
>calculators didn't ruin our capability to solve math problems
>photographs didn't ruin our capability to remember what shit looks like
>AI won't ruin our capability to create cool and fun things

It's a tool. I don't get the hate for it. Most of the hate is coming from people that couldn't draw a stick figure standing next to a block house. What do they care? Why are dumb people so opinionated about things they don't do?

How are we not all thrilled that we can describe almost any stupid image we want (video soon too) and just get it seconds later? Can you imagine going back in time and telling yourself in 2005 that this shit would exist? I wouldn't even believe it.

>>722988813
yeah, and I addressed that.

>>722988751
>I don't care about being an artist or the deep and profound meaning of an anime girl licking a popsicle
Then why are you getting so defensive over this?
>artists don't care about art, they care about the status they want the "I'm an artist" tag.
Which is exactly what you're doing here. If you didn't care you wouldn't get shitting on artists to defend your stance. You'd just go
>yeah it sucks but I got my anime titties

It's the same shit as piracy, moral pirates want to pretend they're better than they are by shitting on buyers instead of just saying "yeah it's stealing but I don't give a fuck.

You need good education or at least understanding of art to make good art imho
Shitting out a million gacha/league-esque girls with an AI doesn't give you good taste

>>722967040 (OP)
I like prompting stuff with A.I

It is not perfect but it is cheaper than paying 100 dollars for artists commissions.

>>722967040 (OP)
>Complains about AI art
>Uses digital drawing tools

90% of it is just indian grifters trying to sell patreon porn with genned art or Facebook slop to make boomers clap
The other stuff is slight optimization for rookie or understaffed devs

>>722989005
I'm with you, man. I'm viewing this form a utilitarian perspective

>>722988948
Not him but my company's lawyers didn't want anything to do with AI until it was a solved matter with copyright. It's still untested in court. They were training models specifically on our content so it wouldn't inadvertently copy stuff too closely. Indie devs might get away with it but they are a small target.

>>722989042
I'm getting defensive because you are attacking me. You are a Luddite, destroying my machine because you fear you will lose my job and I'm telling you what the fuck are you doing, leave my machine and me at peace.

You don't want to "leave things be" you want to force your retarded worldview onto us.

You will complain about artists not being able to draw for money anymore, vote for retarded legislation, then proceed to vote for people that destroy the economy, making you enjoy your artist hobby even harder.

You are retarded and I want you to get the fuck out, leave us.

>>722967908
>AI could never
>Posts the most AI looking shit ever
Why?

>>722989298
Okay, but whenever I leave you invite me back.

Schizos belong in >>/x/

>>722989298
>I'm getting defensive because you are attacking me
Which would mean you have that same sense of entitlement as an artist l, like I said, you wouldn't care otherwise

>>722979061
Why do I care about a Roomba or a maiden?
I want my house clean.

You don't like the Roomba and like the maiden because you want that superiority status, you don't want a clean house, you want ego.

>>722973036
>>722973307
There is huge untapped potential in the sphere of exploiting the mathematical properties of stable diffusion to generate styles which are just impossible for a human to make.

>>722989298
>You don't want to "leave things be" you want to force your retarded worldview onto us.
Bitch, look at where you are, look at the OP >>722967040 (OP)
You can't say shit like this when you and other AI defenders are the ones constantly trying to force it. You're like the rainbow police, you cry about how you're victimised when you're the one on attack.

>>722989529
Ai it's just a pattern detection tool.

No, your artstyle isn't deep or shit, it's pixels on a screen (or ink in a paper scanned by a printer)

The AI can learn that your artstyle consists of thick outlines, eyes or hair with certain shape, translate that information into math and replicate it. You just have to guide it.

Its not so deep, you can do the same crap with paper and crayons. Takes more time but it's the same.

>>722989529
with the advent of digital media i find your claim very disputable but i have no motivation to substantiate said claim

>>722989616
>>Look at the OP
I'm 100% convinced that faggot Miyazaki would ban AI because he is salty about people not being an autistic grumpy grandpa like him. I don't like it how people paint Miyazaki as a humble joyful santa Claus when in reality he is a fag that complains about everything and everyone. His movies look good but he sucks at writing and he is pretentious as fuck and he should spend more time raising his son rather than giving lessons to others about things he knows nothing about.

Fucking nips man, they deserved a third bomb. I will do ghibli loras, eat me.

>>722977143
>>722977508
They make some of the best pencils, even. These are my favorites.

>>722967040 (OP)
They're both bad in different ways.

>>722979061
>>722980330
Stable diffusion art is more like tailor making custom roombas for one specific cleanup and then running it.

I know that /v/ is always going to be a contrarian about any given subject, but the AI apologetics I read on here make me feel like a thousand year-old Luddite sometimes. They’ve made some of you guys into the perfect consumer.

>>722989968
You have to realize most of the doomposting you see here and on the other boards is non-ironic. These people don't have talent or prospects and need AI to uplift them in even trivial ways.

>>722989968
I'm not defending AI slop, I'm defending AI. I'm telling you that it is a tool, but you want to ban it all together like a Luddite. That is not good.

Retards using it like retards doesn't mean there aren't other people that can use its potential.

>>722989968
Consumer of what? I'm making shit I want on the computer. I'm selling it, making money. AI is the ultimate anti-consumer tool.

>>722990069
>>722989968
Is luddite the only insult you know something?

>>722989654
My point is precisely that you can do all kinds of wonky shit by using inputs outside the training data domain.
>>722989791
I'm very interested in the distribution of prompts used in the training and I suspect there is huge untapped potential there. I'll need to whip up a PCA plot when I have time.

>>722990052
So it would seem.

>>722990074
How is something you’re using to easily provide a product to consumers the ultimate anti-consumer tool?

>>722989968
AI is great because it's dramatically reducing the barrier of entry for people to make stuff. In a way it's very anti consumer since it's turning consumers into makers and taking the impetus away from large organizations or corporations into the hands of your average person. A bit like how industrial pigments opened up visual arts to the average person.

>>722989968
They're literally just cryptobro jeets.

>>722989005
Also I don't need to pay 10k for my hyper specific fetish art.

>>722990069
>but you want to ban it all together like a Luddite
If you want to make AI slop, go nuts. Just post it somewhere it's clearly labelled so I don't have to scroll through it.

In the long run, all this stuff does is make the internet worse. The only reason it currently exists is because of an investment bubble.

>>722989968
So is liking AI generation the contrarian take in 2025?

In 1990 would you have been against photoshop since those altered pictures shouldn't exist?

>>722982484
>All art is someone expressing themselves
I don't think artists are going away any time soon because of this. Someone is always going to pursue art to make something from their imagination, control their compositions. fix mistakes. A.I. can shit out way more art faster than an entire humans life in a day, doesn't mean any of its good. If something doesn't already exist for A.I. to train off it's impossible to make it's very limited. I don't even mind A.I. art but the scraping of everything on the internet, shitting up every website, and you can't opt out of seeing any of it.

>>722985790
>I drew
Sweetie, telling a computer where to put the pixels isn't real art.

>>722990370
I don’t see how you can say with a straight face that the average person has had any serious barrier to entry in the visual arts for the last century. They sell pencils and paper everywhere.
AI art is just more immediate and less work. I don’t think that really constitutes lowering the barrier to entry; it results in a completely different product and demands an entirely different skill set. It has more in common with management than artistry.

>>722990562
Photoshop more like photoslop.

>>722990436
Their cult-like enthusiasm is so bizarre. They really believe that using explicitly corporate-sanctioned tools is some sort of counter culture movement. So stupid.

>>722990604
There is a fairly sizable number of people who're good with computers but don't have the time or skill to draw graphics for their video games.

>>722990370
>A bit like how industrial pigments opened up visual arts to the average person.
This is like suggesting the photograph opened up art to a wider audience. It didn't, it created a new genre and destroyed a lot of artists because portrait paintings no longer made any economical sense.

The thing is, nobody saw a photo and thought it was a painting. AI slop in a thumbnail looks vaguely like art, it's only once you click on it do you realise you've been tricked.

>>722990750
But AI not being corporate is the point. You can generate it locally for the cost of some electricity where as in the past you needed a patron for any larger project.

>>722990562
>In 1990 would you have been against photoshop since those altered pictures shouldn't exist?
I don't get why you keep on making this comparison, photoshop doesn't shit out low quality images by typing in a few words.

>>722990812
AI is completely corpo, are you delusional? Local models are shit.

>>722990754
Then become a photographer.

>>722990814
Anon is probably a teenager.

>>722990812
>P-Please just ignore the massive corporate push to force AI into everything for the sake of pleasing investors
Too obvious

>>722967040 (OP)
>posts miyazaki
>shills ai art because "muh AAA bad too so who cares"
i think you should leave famalam

>>722987092
Rape? I just wanted to get Mickey Mouse assets into my totally not Kingdom Hearts ripoff but OpenAI won't let me have that.

>>722990763
There is an entire meme about amateur artists publishing their photos with readily packaged filters on Instagram, so the evidence does suggest that photography has allowed a significant number of people who otherwise wouldn't have been able to to engage with visual art. What does your point about diffusion being able to replicate different styles have to do with anything?

>>722988186
You sucked corpo dick when Pfizer wanted your soul. Suck it retard.

>>722990569
Artists are generally not interested in doing AI because the process of typing in prompts and hoping the AI does what you have in your head is unsatisfying. AI bros have consistently shown themselves to be poor artists and they have no interest in getting better, they just insist "give the technology another 2 years and it won't matter."

AI has some useful applications for art, but as a final pass it looks tacky and lacks any kind of control that an artist would want to have over it. It's an entirely shake and bake process, and for artists that's a regression, not a progression. It's the difference between making a sculpture and using a rock tumbler.

>>722990754
That is beside the point I was arguing, which is that it doesn’t lower the barrier so much as open the door to an entirely different skill set: prompting. Prompting and drawing are completely different skills. If anything, someone who gets good at prompting has essentially gotten good at ordering commissions from a person who doesn’t exist.

>>722990838
I see you just want to seethe and dilate.
>>722990915
Those are LLMs, not stable diffusion models.
>>722990987
Google comfy UI. That should set you to the right path to use local models.

>>722990604
>I don’t see how you can say with a straight face that the average person has had any serious barrier to entry in the visual arts for the last century
It's a skill that requires much time and money. It really isn't a very valuable skill either unless you're the best of the best. Try to paint a mountain adequately (like at a Bob Ross level) and record how many hours and dollars worth of paint it took to get there.

Then tell an AI generator to make a nice mountain using an oil painting style. Note the time it takes (15 seconds) and the cost ($0). That is the reduced barrier to entry.

>>722990130
Its the best way of describing you, people opposing a good thing because they understand it and don't want to lose their jobs and things to change.

If people like you had their way, humanity would have never invented anything. I'm telling you, no one is forcing you to use AI neither forcing you to not use traditional methods, crap will still be generated and good things will still be generated, AI and pencil alike. I don't see you complaining about the hand drawn crap in Twitter made by leftists. (Because you probably are a leftist)
>>722990251
You can also make scrabbles and shitty crap drawings or photos of a turd on the ground, and I don't see people complaining

AI shills keep pushing it because they want to make something "good" while putting as little effort as humanly possible into actually learning a skill. They're welfare queens that think they inherently deserve things because they exist and they hate their actual culture
That's why most AI shills are brown

>>722990370
You would think leftists would be cool with it but no, because they are fake, like always.
AI, 3d printers, having chickens and similar are based.

Yes, I would download a car if it was possible.

>>722991151
>Note the time it takes (15 seconds) and the cost ($0)
And what you have made is worthless to any other person, and yourself.

>>722991225
>Types this while using digital drawing tools

>>722991151
>It's a skill that requires much time and money.
Just time, actually. Art supplies are cheap. Even graphic tablets and laptops are pretty cheap.
>It really isn't a very valuable skill either unless you're the best of the best.
Sheesh, that’s a bit heartless of you. Certainly not something an artist would say.

>That is the reduced barrier to entry.
No, it’s entry into an entirely different hobby.

>>722991129
Allowing people who're skilled in prompting but not in drawing to make art is a qualitative reduction in the barrier for entry.

>>722967040 (OP)
AI slop isn't made by humans. I don't really care about how bad other, actually human made slop can be, at the VERY LEAST someone had and idea and manually made that, whereas with AI it's just something people told it to generate.

>>722991342
>Reddit response
You're just proving my point brownie

>>722989251
What industry?

>>722991391
No, it is not, because prompting is not drawing. This is like saying that KidPix was the great equalizer that finally let the common man break into graphic design. This is idiotic.

>>722967040 (OP)
i believe AI can be a tool for inspiration and help you create things the right way for less talented people. But lazily getting AI to do literally everything creates soullessness. You need to add the human element in there somewhere, even if its a little flawed

>>722988748
That's because people don't care about subtext anymore. They just want lore and realistic stories. An endless treadmill of that shit. AI can provide that because GRRM wants to make something that looks and feels real, and not something that actually means something. His approach is pretty much aligned with what an AI is imitating. It's slop but made by a human.

>>722991291
Photographers, digital "artists" and other sloppers btfo'd.

>>722967040 (OP)
Ai is mostly bad because the spam
If they stayed in their threads or if google images wasn’t FLOODED with this shit then we could co-exist with ai
But it doesn’t want that, it wants to take everything and be everywhere because that’s how the economy is set up

>>722990814
So you're mad it's too easy to use? Where is the line?

Typing is bad to make art, but using the smart lasso tool to automatically crop things with one click is good? Using smart autofill to repair the background with one click is good or bad? When was the last time you actually used photoshop? When was the last time you created anything?

Where is the digital art line in the sand where you cross it and suddenly creative technology is bad? I've been drawing/photoshopping/Illustrator-ing/wacom tableting for 30 years and I don't take offense when someone uses a "shortcut" to make a good image. Why does it bother you? What about it personally offends your artistic sensibilities?

>>722991291
its never about art. its always about worth.

>>722991438
I have blonde hair and blue eyes.
>>722991464
Photoshop which is just the adult version of KidPix did open the door for a huge number of people to get into graphic design.

>>722991585
>I-I-I'm an Aryan
Sure you are Ranjit

>>722990336
Because he isnt the one consuming. Arguable that crrating something to be consumed weighs any differently than something else not being consumed in its stead, but regardless

>>722986567
AI literally says its great because it “democratizes” art, thus it enables the lazy and uncreative
AI brags about how much money is being sunk into it and telling companies they can replace workers, thus enables the greedy
AI shills are constantly bringing up artists they hate on why AI is so good hence it enables the spiteful

>>722991640
Please explain how your argument that AI is bad because it makes things easy doesn't apply to digital drawing tools.

>>722991668
You're projecting your own hate at others.

>>722990370
Do you call images you find on google and save you “making” stuff?

>>722991385
>Art supplies are cheap
You are not an artist (or you use crayons).

>not something an artist would say
Sell a piece of your artwork. For any price. Sell it and tell me how much you made.

>creating one way is worse than creating this other way, trust me
What is your authority on the subject? What do you create?

God, why do AI bros care so much if these people 'accept' them? Have u looked at what happens to everything else that falls into 'global acceptance'? Just continue being the hated outcast, because if you think the trash AI people put out is bad now, you ain't seen shit yet. Once everyone actually realizes they're fucking retarded and wants to use AI too, it'll be the same as when every idiot got a cellphone and the entirety of the internet in their pocket
just enjoy the golden age while it's around cuz the moment these people turn around and realize what they're hating on makes no fucking sense, it's over

>>722991721
In what way?

>>722991737
I feel bad for you. I’m gonna close the tab and enjoy my Saturday.

>>722991701
Typing a prompt is substantially easier than drawing a picture just with digital tools. Arguing otherwise means you haven't actually tried using something like Photoshop to make a picture and you're just assuming it does all the work for you.

>>722991736
I wouldn't use the term making, but it sure has made creative endeavors easier. I'm sure you've heard of photobashing?

>>722991737
>You are not an artist (or you use crayons).
Paper and pencils have always been enough
>Sell a piece of your artwork. For any price. Sell it and tell me how much you made.
The entry for being called an artist has never involved if you made money or not. I guess you’ve never prompted anything because no one paid you
>What is your authority on the subject? What do you create?
Not that anon, but I just like drawing. It’s relaxing to draw, its fun to learn new techniques, and love to appreciate art i like and being able and draw gives you a more intimate view on artwork because you can now empathize with the process even if you aren’t as good as the people who made the art

>>722991835
And using a microwave to heat up a hot pocket is a lot easier than making dough and sauce, but no one would call both of these processes cooking with a straight face.

>>722991785
You imagine the people you hate as spiteful.

>>722991835
That still makes digital tools bad. You haven't established a qualitative difference.

>>722979483
Its just a trend as the technology allows it.
Similarly: Are you keeping a diary written by pen? No? You are missing out.

The lack of effort needed to type is one of its greatest strengths, since it allows your volume to be good. You can form longer coherent prose, more structure, elaboration.
But it also allows you to just pad out your word count.
Then there is the question of the diary: Is the exercise to recall and write, or is it to prose it down? Both can be done, for similar effects.

>>722982190
The longterm goal of the Silicon valley startup has been a form or a exercise in how to spend money.
Not with the goal of going bankrupt, but as a set of exercises as a training wheel to actually make or manage money.

I think its better than being a trustfund baby.
But its also a exercise in finding a outlet, since a lack of a career or ground contact will mean having no concept of what opportunity is.
My personal opinion is that a lot of the trustfund babies would do well if they where forced to do a trade, and then where forced to get a related bachelor. Not because f the nitty gritty, but because it means more perspective of what the investment could be.
Instead we have Elon, Alphabet Group, Microsoft and Zuckerberg competing in making virtual cat girls and trying to compete with mineral and metal refining n energy spending.

>>722991929
Sure, I suppose we'd be in agreement than AI slopping isn't actually making art then.
>>722991935
Why are you considering the digital tools bad in the first place?

>>722991468
I just use it as an addition to my mood boards. AI is basically a really powerful search engine so if I want to combine things that I know already exist it can be somewhat helpful, although the images it produces are always going to be somewhat derivative. And as Bungie's new lawyers can probably tell you, you still have to be careful with mood boards because sometimes people draw too much from one source of inspiration and end up ripping off other artists.

The big reason I don't see AI taking over in the long term is because you are gonna get the worst examples of "no hard edges" design philosophy as AI continues to train off of itself and AI bros steal from each other. That should be a whitepill to artists though, because only artists can actually make anything new that isn't just a combination of existing assets (that are likely stolen, because the law still hasn't caught up with the technology yet).

The nature of AI being trained on data stolen from creators and IP holders is another reason why I say AI should be an addition to your mood board and not something you incorporate into your actual images. If you look at an AI generated landcape that was trained off of multiple artists and then draw your own, it's going to be your unique creation because it came from your mind through your own interpretation as an artist. If you put an AI generated landscape in your picture, you're going to have bits and pieces of other people's art floating around in the image that was taken without their permission, which is not only lazy but has a lot of ethical and legal implications.

And more than that, AI bros aren't interested in making landscapes as a shortcut in a bigger project-- they want to make their own Shrek movie and they insist that Dreamworks has no right to sue them because IP law is obstructing "natural technological evolution" or some bullshit hype phrase like that. I'm not 100% anti-AI but we should approach it with caution and skepticism.

>>722991526
That's not a problem with AI, that's a problem with indians and browns in general getting access to the internet.

>>722991930
I only call them spiteful to match the other anon’s list
Also you can still find LOTS of people in every ai shill thread bringing up bad artists as reason to use ai and shit on artists in general
I’m sure these people had art they liked, loved even at one point
But if they are willing to disregard nostalgia and focus on their hate then yeah, they are spiteful

>>722991749
ai is already accepted by people, but not by media.

>>722992056
sure you do

>>722991120
Yeah that's exactly why it just doesn't intreasts most artists. It's an interesting tool that some artists can take advantage, especially if you have art skills. most artists don't though because they'd rather improve, love the process, draw it themselves, or create something that doesn't exist. It personally drives me up the wall not being able to make something from my imagination 1:1 when drawing, that's what makes improving fun.
>AI bros have consistently shown themselves to be poor artists
I've seen several Twitter A.I. accounts that have mass A.I. spam of some very low quality stuff. I think the anime ones can get away with it sometimes. I've seen some accounts posting their art in the void with no one interacting with it. Lots of art communities, websites, and fandoms alone fully reject this stuff anyway.

>>722992079
Sure I what?

>>722992072
I thought Jews were the media.

>>722992072
Other way around, there's a lot of hate for AI, and it seems to be growing each day the more normalfags realize it's fucking everywhere, but lazy companies feel the need to shove AI into everything.

>>722992136
:)

>>722991668
>enables the uncreative
How? Does AI tell you what to make? Isn't that backwards?

Most people are such blank headed aphantasiacs they couldn't begin to describe something interesting. If you're creative and don't have access to digital art tools then AI can enable you to create any fun thing you can think of.

>>722992072
AI, which is currently being pushed so hard by Microsoft that they now dedicated a physical key on the keyboard to it, isn’t supported by the media? You’re funny.

>>722991935
Digital tools emulate art on the community, every tool for digital art has a traditional equivalent
AI emulates commissioning, or directing at best which is not you actually making the art yourself

You can clearly see there is a difference by the fact that you even understand to separate the two things. So what do you actually think the difference is?

>>722992194
People who see ai as an actual tool worth using for their own creativity have a clouded image of what they want to make and thus are okay with settling with whatever is generated
People who have the urge to create themselves are much more interested in making what’s in their head and ai can never create that exact image in their head

You get more creative control using a character creator

>>722992217
but its never about that. its always about art.

>>722992116
I think the next major innovation on the internet is going to be some kind of technology that separates the "dead internet" from the internet that actual people are using. The dead internet being fake engagement bots and AI generate slop mills. That stuff has basically killed Facebook and it's going to kill a lot of other websites too, which means there's a financial incentive to quarantine bots and bot-generated content away from all the people who it's trying to interact with.

I've basically just described the black wall from Cyberpunk and that's kind of terrifying. Hopefully rogue AI gods being trapped in a digital hell isn't something we'll have to worry about.

>>722992072
It’s more of a bored acceptance and indifference
Because most people end up using ai against their will. Because google forces it on them at every turn

>>722992338
Seething retard. You act like you can only pick one, even when you know that's not the case.

>>722992363
AI is straight up going to kill the internet within the next ten years and we’ve got idiots cheering for it because it can generate photorealistic shitposts for people who have never brothered open ms paint lol

>>722992338
Sounds like a skill issue. I work to get exactly the image I want.

>>722992137
theyre going to use it, and they want you to use the ai they sell. they dont want you really "using" ai.

>>722990814
>go in photoshop
>invert colors
>export
You've never seen this?
https://youtu.be/4X865KGok48?t=17m35s

>>722991701
Sure. Digital drawing tools aren't good because they make anything "easier" in any meaningful sense, they're good because they make things available in a digital medium, thus increasing access as you're not limited geographically and can still actually learn the skill. Photoshop, Cameras and Keyboards let you create digital files in an era revolving around the internet which would otherwise be impossible through any analogue method. Cameras have the added bonus of being able to capture things as they are in reality, rather than as an interpretation.
AI is different because the entire use case is simply skipping the skill. Can't be bothered to learn how to draw? Just prompt an AI. Can't be bothered with schoolwork? Just prompt an AI. It's a tool championed by people that were never invested in a given medium to begin with, and only serves to enable the lazy and opportunistic.
It's like bragging that you don't need to learn how to cook because you can eat TV dinners for the rest of your life.

>>722992519
They can just prompt for the money. I don't have any.

>>722990838
Ai models as software to be run locally on my machine are no more corpo than the vidya you play or the characters you wank to that you'd rather commision a humam artist to make.

>>722967040 (OP)
I read that buzzword vomit you just fucking dared to type and post and I won't lie OP. I want you dead. I want to take you by force from the safety fo your home, chain you to the wall of an abandoned tract of sewer, and assrape you to death with a cattle prod after at least a week of starving you with no sustenance but roaches and sewage runoff.

>>722992461
>>722992484
You now how bullshit artist will just lie and tell you that they were considering every detail of a piece?
Ai shills are like that
Great artist consider everything, that’s what makes great art fun to look at, fun to explore, and fun to create
Every piece of art is like an exercise in world building where the fun is exploring every corner

If you want to use both, then more power to you i guess. But i have more confidence and appreciation for artists who create everything themselves

>>722992594
Uh *farts* exclusively eating tv dinners is actually very counter cultural and punk rock

>>722992257
I just want to comment on how fucking stupid and borderline illiterate you are. The argument wasn't that stable diffusion and photoshop are identical. The argument is that if stable diffusion is bad because it makes creating art easier, then why aren't digital tools also bad for making creating art easier. Maybe in the future you could use an LLM like chatgpt to explain these arguments to you, and we'd have just proven the incredible utility of AI.

>>722967040 (OP)
Careful anon, you'll pull your arm out of its socket reaching like that.

>>722992669
Well you’re not actually creating art with ai, the ai is
You’re a commissioner, not an artist when you use ai

Hence why ai is saying its replacing artists, not turning everyone into one

>>722992649
AI is more like building the entire TV dinner factory yourself moron.

>>722992748
Holy shit lol

>>722992734
I don't think you can define art in a non contrived way so that doodling is art but prompting isn't.

>>722992748
No, that's the programmers. You're merely using the product (the TV dinner)

>>722992594
>they're good because they make things available in a digital medium
Zoom zoom
I bet you can’t even remember when google was useable

>>722992748
More like hiring a million Mexicans to build it and run it for you and saying "I did that" despite just using a general "TV dinner factory" plan someone else made.

I'm just having fun slopping

Promptbros should try writing. It completely cuts out the middleman and downright vaporizes any barrier to entry that could possibly stand in your way.

>>722992803
Contrived?
You’re not an artist when you tell someone to make something
The artist is still the artist

>>722992813
So explain why it's wrong then

>>722991568
>When was the last time you actually used photoshop?
Probably several years ago
>When was the last time you created anything?
Yesterday.

Regardless you can't just click to edit with photoshop like you could with AI and a prompt

>>722992594
So digital art only serves to enable the lazy and opportunistic because it makes it so you don't have to learn the skill of distributing physical copies of your art.

>>722992803
Doodling is human made. Prompting is AI generated.

>>722991151
Pro AI guy here, there is no objectivisim in art. If you draw fucked up anatomy but you do it in a consistent charming way then people find that endearing and suddenly you're the father of a new art style. While I do agree the most rewarding thing about learning art is the self satisfaction over its impact in your life corporeally unless you specifically pursue a career in art, you have to remember the artists that are celebrated and given the most money or reoccuring jobs are not necessarily the "most skilled" or "the best". I think it's more appropriate to agknowladge the individual artistic skills like specialists. Sure, hiring people to draw in cels or drawing tween frames consistently to match the reference sheets and storyboards is an important skill for any professional animator to have, but if you make something that people like it doesn't matter how much it adhesrs to realism, anatomy, or any other principle. Rules of art are, after all, merely suggestions.
It's like if traffic rules of the road weren't enforced and only guidelines on how to drive and not crash, if I know what I'm doing and am safe I'm *probably* good to go 10-20 above the speed limit.

>>722992597
they already do just print money when they want. its about flow of information, not money.
so they want you to attack ai, to never familiarize yourself with any of it that isnt the one they shove in your face. otherwise you might just use a better one, or figure out how they messed theirs up.

>>722991385
>Art supplies are cheap. Even graphic tablets and laptops are pretty cheap.
I will be pedantic because I hsve gone to art supply stores in shopping for class materials and canvases, special sketchbooks with specific dimensions, and charcoal/oil/paints cost stupid amounts of money for what they are.

>>722992872
All the “problems” ai solved in the last few years were ones that were already fixed when you could rely on google to find information
Now if i want to find an image to anything historical i have a harder time because ai will flood it
This is really bad for wanting to look up anything actually historic

>>722992842
>>722992806
Most prompters design the LORAs they use and many go out of their way to custom build their neural net architecture. You should probably learn what you're talking about.
>>722992871
You are not an artist if you use pencils, digital tools or cameras. Got it, only dancers are real artists.

Why do ai shills hate artists so much but still want to be called them and be in their spaces?

>>722991432
You might no be familiar with the nuances of prompting and the editing users can make to a gen to better control the outputs and cleanups.
Also, humans need no assistance making slop even years before AI. Literally look at Hollywood.

>>722992919
>Ignoring half the post for a shitty strawman
You still have to actually learn the skill when you create digital art. What skill are you learning when you use AI?

>>722992921
Actually doodling is pencil made.

>>722993025
Sure, but to insist that money has ever stopped anyone who actually wanted to draw from drawing is pretty silly. Any paper or pencil is enough.

>>722993065
>Most prompters design the LORAs they use
That's just effectively making it use the specific suggestions you want it to. No matter what way you slice it, an AI slopper isn't making anything on their own, they're telling the AI to do it.

>>722993109
Prompting, Neural Network Architecture and so forth.

>>722993065
>Most prompters do this
"Most prompters" are making shitty videos about dogs saving babies and Steven Hawking doing wrestling moves to post on Facebook and Twitter

>>722993076
They’re mentally ill and kind of stupid. They have very obvious inferiority complexes.

>>722991468
Agreed. Hald the arguments against AI ITT are
>but if they put no time or respect into it it will be bad
Which is true for any outputs; drawn, composed, acted, or AI genned.
You can tell the people who are willing to have a conversation about standards vs the ones who just see bing.com/create images and think that is every AI output ever.

>>722993097
>You might no be familiar with the nuances of prompting and the editing users can make to a gen to better control the outputs and cleanups.
No matter how much "nuance" there is, the base image itself is still something the AI shat out after being told to do it in a certain way. If I drew a mustache on the Mona Lisa does that mean I made the Mona Lisa itself? No, of course not, so editing an AI image or telling it to make an image in a certain way doesn't count as you "making" it either.

>some sort of a fucking AI thread
Can you please remove the AI generals put on to every single board? You have to be paid to let that slide.

AIslop has shit polishing and shit eater problems. A lot of effort being put to bad concept doesn't make art good. Shade all you want, but if you have the depth perspective of austrian painter, its just going to end up looking like shit. Then theres the shit eaters, who are satisfied by the low quality and you could mistake them for sustainable customer base for AIslop, except they all just want to produce and eat their own slop.

So with AI, we end up with absolutely shit art that has been polished by 10 000 machine man hours and user base of self-dealing addicts spreading it everywhere.

>>722993065
I can’t tell my pencils to start drawing for me, i still need to move my own mind, techniques, and experience.
You can tell a prompter to make things, you can tell an artist to make things
But that doesn’t make you an artist

Are you a mechanic because you pay someone to fix a problem you think you might have? Are you a chef because you make a special order?

>>722993160
If you're reductive like that then no doodling is done by a human either since the pencil does the actual marking.
>>722993172
We're talking about images not videos here.

>>722978768
>just pay someone an entire salary out of your pocket
No. Who’s going to make me?

>>722993161
Are those transferable skills in the medium of art in what way? Can you prompt a dolphin in front of a client when they ask you to draw one?

>>722993273
The pencil doesn't move on its own. AI quite literally can prompt itself.

>>722991835
It's easy to say anything is easy when you don't know the nuances behind it. Do you know how intricate prompting can be, or do you think one is typing full sentances and asking it pretty please?

>>722993270
You also need your own mind, techniques and experience to create the prompt and Neural Network Architecture. There is no person inside the computer chip.

>>722993161
Right and that's exactly what separates it from digital art tools. Like I said, the entire point of AI is to skip actually learning the skill and to engage with as little of the skill as humanly possible

>>722993273
For a picture book
Is the writer of the book also the artist because they told the artist what they want to see?

>>722993417
Sure and a commissioner needs to do that too
But that doesn’t make them an artist

>>722993527
Why not?

>>722967498
They're already doing it with the switch 2 to the point they're even preventing good games from coming to the console, honestly, they should just put a blanket ban on AI-generated content, and that includes stuff like front mission 3 remake and the alters.

>>722993360
Different guy here. Speaking from experience, prompting and inpainting is a whole hell of a lot easier and less intricate than drawing. I just have to spend half an hour tops coaching and refining my coaching. It seriously has nothing on the intricacies of actually drawing by hand and doing composition, lighting and foreshortening all by yourself. Even a basic sketch takes much more time, skill and effort than a good prompt does.

>>722993273
>We're talking about images not videos here.
It's even less common with images. You can't seriously think that the average layperson is looking into neural net architecture so they can make a picture of a mouse with a cheese sword

>>722967040 (OP)
Local AI isn't the best but sometimes it's barely good enough.

>>722992921
I read this and the mental image of the NPC fritzing came to mind.

>>722993547
>Wanting credit for being an ideas guy
It makes so much fucking sense now

>>722993576
And the average layperson doodling a picture of a mouse with a cheese sword isn't looking into color theory or composition.

>>722993547
Bill Finger spent decades trying to get proper credit for being the artist of Batman because Bob Kane thought he didn’t deserve credit

>>722992416
>hey, how come Google works for you guys?
It's a secret

I shudder to imagine what kinds of video games the AI shills play.

>>722993547
Why is it so important to you to be called an artist?

>>722993767
I like strategy games like Supcom or engineering games like Sprocket.

Haha I type and funni computer makes hog girl. I love funni computer

>>722993786
https://youtu.be/Wf7IgoXQk-M

>>722993664
Correct, but what's that have to do with literally anything that was mentioned? Maybe you should learn what you're talking about first before posturing about "most prompters"

>>722992614
I don't need to consider shit when drawing.

>>722993786
I don't particularly care if you call me an artist. What I care is people lying and trying to exclude prompters from the position of artist just because they don't want their commission money hose to dry up. Computer code has been called 'art' for decades so the term should apply to prompt engineering and Neural Network Architecture too.

>>722993767
They don’t
They never had love or nostalgia for anything made by humans
Normal people have an instinctual unease over ai as it relates to the uncanny
Normal people aren’t to hung up on hatred of bad artists because there are still many artists they love
Ai shills have no such memories of watching Dragon Ball, reading Harry Potter, or playing Pokémon. Or whatever you can name that’s not just mainstream
they just see a dollar sign

>>722991213
he's talking about shit like this you overgrown colostomy bag

>>722993838
This for me but I mostly generate Pokemon(female).

>>722974707
There are a lot of crappy pictures I have saved because I like them

>>722993961
>i don’t care about being called an artist, i just care about being called an artist
You’re being paid huh

It is crazy how obvious this site is just a doomer propaganda machine run by troons, jeets and bots the second you step into any AI thread.
>Multiple posts of "AI good!!!" following non sensible and bad faith arguments with a sprinkle of broken english.
>Same people reply to themselves agreeing to make AI acceptance seem normal and cool
>Troons post porn or reference it as a positive for AI because they are too poor to commission artists they like
I wonder what company is making AI conversations and generals mandatory here and multiple other boards

>>722993229
Who's arguing I drew it? I in combination with the AI model and API have made a piece. Yes, I must credit the AI as much as a filmaker has to credit Adobe After Effects. Sure, you draw something all on your own I totally don't want to take that away from you, but to say a prompter has no control, expression, or vision being pursued or to imply there's no skill in learning and utelizing that tool is wrong.

>>722993968
>Oh my hecking 90's children shows!!!
Anti AI "people" have such shit taste.

>>722993968
Lmao attribuing greatness to the most mundane shit
>No I'm a REAL artist because I watched Bluey on tv

>>722974707
Seeing art made from weird autistic adults is more interesting than anything ai
Ai zoomers will never know the fun of finding out about the crazy worlds those people made, they have to rely on video essays written by ai

>>722993551
They're not doing a very good job

>>722993961
Ideas guys are not artists
You're not a developer if you have an idea for a game
You're not a architect if you have an idea for a building
You're not an artist if you have an idea for a picture

>>722994028
>Basedlennials think that the only reason anyone would care about people using language honestly is if they were paid
Grim.

>>722993258
>AIslop has shit polishing and shit eater problems. A lot of effort being put to bad concept doesn't make art good.
You could say the same for drawn art. In fact if 5% of /v/ users suddenly wanted to become practiced in drawing and they're posting their subpar early sketches online you would be just as annoyed and would only feel contrary if you had the metacontextual knowladge of this timeline and conversation.

>>722979483
AIfags are almost all Indians

>>722994030
I suspect it’s Microsoft. The AI generals always bill Microsoft’s AI first.
It is certainly some kind of paid campaign. The mods won’t do anything about it and won’t give you a straight answer as to why they won’t do anything about it.

>>722994151
But if I have an idea, design a prompt and a neural network around it, then I am an artist.

>>722994151
holy søy rage

>>722994217
He’s right, though.

>>722994215
Incorrect, you have simply asked the robot to do the drawing for you. The robot is the artist, you're just commissioning it (not an artist)

>>722979061
Turns out that audiences are risk adverse, and plagiarism is common practice for successful artists. So that single guy will keep everything to himself instead of bothering with AI or social media.

>>722994053
>but to say a prompter has no control, expression, or vision being pursued or to imply there's no skill in learning and utelizing that tool is wrong.
I honestly don't really care. The final product is still done primarily by AI, and thus it's worse by virtue of not being primarily human made.

>>722994102
Well it doesn’t need to be that
It can be the first time you saw a Van Gogh, the first time you read Lord of the Rings, or even you saw the Shinning. These are just examples, not the only pieces of art that could have enriched your life
but that at least gives me the opportunity to ask you what you like
What did you like before ai became your entire personality?

>>722994215
No, you’re more like an engineer or a supervisor. If you wrote a short story about your idea, you’d be an artist.

>>722981968
So like Walt Disney

>>722994280
>uses an image made by a person
So you concede

>>722994030
It's mostly browns. They have no respect for art or culture and only care about getting their paycheck as easily as possible. The pearl clutching of art being "so hard to get into man" only happened retroactively after there were convenient products to shill

>>722993348
>Are those transferable skills in the medium of art in what way?
Well they are computer skills, so yeah
>Can you prompt a dolphin in front of a client when they ask you to draw one?
I can donit if they ask me to produce a pic of a dolphin. Why would I go into a job interview for X when I only know Y? That'd be like going into an interview for a welder's position intending to use rope lashings to bind things together. And we can reverse that example too, if you went into an interview that asked you to gen a picture within a certain standard, do you think whipping out the sketchbook and drawing it will win you brownie points? Yout example is irrespective of context. Nobody gives extra credit on math exams for rejecting to use a calculator that the exam permits.

>>722991213
>because they understand it
You probably meant to put "don't" there but what you said is a lot more accurate. People against it definitely do understand it and that's why they're against it since it'll just result in a market flooded with absolute trash and because the younger generation are idiots they're just going to fuck everything up even further.

>>722994287
And if you were basically literate you'd know I just pointed out how programmers are often referred to as artists.
>>722994254
The computer isn't the developer if you create a game dummy. Do you know how computers work?
>>722994281
>Only the most surface level pop culture art
Extremely grim. I bet you can't even name a single Wagner opera except the Ring without googling. No wonder you're so scared of AI chads since you can only do the manual boring parts that can be now automated with a computer.

>>722992609
most mentally stable shartist

>>722994346
>The pearl clutching of art being "so hard to get into man"
Wasn't Bob Ross specifically doing his shows just to show people it WASN'T hard to get into? And that stuff is like 40 years old at this point. I don't know how anyone can say stuff like that nowadays unless they're literally hobos with no money to buy anything.

>>722994130
I watched a video about art by schizophrenics before, it was pretty cool

>>722985981
Well said

>>722994346
It's called democratisation of art anti bastard bich

>>722993968
>Normal people have an instinctual unease over ai as it relates to the uncanny
Actual normal people are utterly unable to recognize the most fucking obvious AI out there. You should probably interact with them more. Call your grandma sometimes.

>>722994538
>ai shills are obsessed with bullshit name dropping and snobby flexing instead of actually engaging with the arguments they are presented
Midwit behavior
You want to sound smart, but you sound stupid when basic ideas are presented to you and you have to be pedantic
It makes sense though, you love your jingling keys

>>722994565
This feels like it's trying to show me something but the perspective is so fucked it's just nonsense.

>>722991835
>>722993360
>>722993568
I will take a step back because I made an improper claim. I meant to argue that prompting is a skill that can be learned and honed, but I will not say that the general act of prompting at high levels is as intense or experience-requiring as drawing or painting at high levels. I am very accustom to people who believe just writing words in a text box gets the AI to roll a mind reading check on the promtper, but I don't wish to downplay the effort and practice that goes into drawing.

There should really be a sequel to Howie at this point where Howie is upset that no one at the gallery wants to display his work. Before storming out, Howie would complain about the process of art being too much of a temporal and financial commitment while being visibly fatter and more well-off than at least a couple of people in the room.
Oh, and since I prompted you to imagine this scene, I actually already drew and wrote this comic.

>>722967040 (OP)
what is it with browns and underachiever “idea guys” loving AI?
Its almost like you can tell how bad the thing is by the people who like it.

>>722994538
>Developing a game is just like prompting!
Holy fuck, you have to be trolling at this point

>>722994030
>too poor to commission artists they like
or, hear me out, I just don't need to. I can just add "drawn by artist I like" to the prompt. It's that simple.

>>722994538
Ah, I see now. You’re fucking stupid. It all makes sense.

>>722994667
What point is there to engage with what you just vomited when the only thing it shows is your complete poverty of internal life? The fact that Dragon Ball Z is the first example you think of when someone says inspiration for art is just sad.

>>722994661
Normal people lack the in-depth knowledge to express why they hate ai images, but they hate the use of ai
As to why they feel uncanny
It’s why google needed to force ai in their search results because all the companies learned that ai user growth isn’t growing

>>722994820
ok bro, waiting for that big game since its so easy for you to make now :)
2 more weeks ranjesh

>>722994329
I use everything I have at my disposal. I'm not trying to win a war here.

>>722994137
>none of those is a switch 2 game
Really makes you think

>>722988751
>they care about the status
I love how you fags gave zero theory of mind

>>722994684
Good, because that would be fucking stupid.

>>722993961
Unfortunately, like the digital photographers getting poopoo'ed by people in dark rooms, this is something that simply needs time to be adopted. Stay adversarial to those who disrespect what you really believe in and use it to fuel your passion.

>>722994823
Dilate and sneed you will no longer get commissions to draw diaper fetish porn time to learn actual skills instead of just using photoshop.

>>722989298
>muh economy

>Typing prompts makes me an artist
I type prompts (tags) into boorus all the time, I must be an artist too

>>722994269
>I honestly don't really care.
Cool, have a good day then. >>722994865
Based

>>722994765
How is it different?

>>722993961
Promoters aren’t artists. They are prompters. If they were artists, they’d just be called visual artists or writers.
There’s nothing wrong with that. It just isn’t really good English to call a promoter an artist unless we’re going to start calling managers artists as well.

>>722994862
not sure what you're talking about but it seems you've been mindbroken quite hard
hope it gets better for you

>>722994824
You’re still being pedantic idiot
I use popular things because people its most shit that people watched as kids
The examples don’t actually matter though. What’s important is that ai shills have no nostalgia for everything
Hell what’s your problem with Dragon Ball? What makes that so bad? You’re such a snob that it feels icky to even see it mentioned? I guess only the most refined palettes love ai slop

>>722990370
The barrier for entry for art is so low that we give children printer paper to scribble on for fun

>>722993992
And I never said that was good. Just because there are indians genning this doesn't mean we have to kill AI

>>722994938
I’m a writer, actually.
I’m not joking around when I say that proompters should try creative writing. I think a lot of AI guys would be surprised by how much they actually enjoy writing.

>>722995048
just ask the AI for an explanation, subhuman
you already stopped using your brain right

>>722995041
New tech calls for new phrases, names, and distinctions. Painters are artists who paint. Actors are artists who perform characters and scripts. Prompters are artists who prompt AI gens. Simple.

>>722991721
I hate niggers

>>722994865
You’re using things that disregard your own points
You have to use images made by humans to express your feelings because turns out when someone made that image they really wanted to capture a certain attitude and person that is detestable to where the original reference wasn’t good enough but the wojak ended up being what they were looking for
That’s why you used it instead of ai because ai has no thoughts on people

>>722993992
If a person did this with paint tool sai you'd see a print of it hung at an art booth for 40$

>>722995137
wish you the best buddy
you are in for a rough time

>>722995138
I don’t agree, as would most fluent English speakers. Is someone who uses Suno a musician?

>>722986421
SEXO

>>722995041
But prompters are frequently called artists.
>>722995063
>Barely coherent English with logic errors (why would someone have nostalgia for EVERYTHING)
>Fierce defense of Dragon Ball Z
E Holmes los commissions for el furry diaper vore is ending O algo.

>>722967040 (OP)
I'm a stable diff artist. My x profile says so.

>>722995031
Sorry man, you lost the privilege of abusing debate tactics the nanosecond you outed yourself as being a pathetic midwit "ideas guy".
You probably think they're the same thing because they both involve typing on a keyboard

>>722995201
i know thats what you wish
becuase you are a low IQ subhuman “idea guy”
you hate seeing others succeed and hope AI is your big meal ticket
2 more weeks, where’s that game? Its easy to make now right?

>>722985981
Holy TRVKE that destroyed AIjeets

>>722995276
>But prompters are frequently called artists.
By other prompters and people who subscribe to their Patreons for their porn.

>>722995113
I wasn't expecting there to still be a commission market for diaper fetish erotica.

>>722995276
>M-Muh furry diaper art
You've already used this one, try prompting for another

>>722995189
>You have to use images made by humans to express your feelings
So how about artists who draw literally any character they didn't invent? Goku looking pissed was already drawn by Toriyama, you either copied that expression or another angry expression for the style you're drawing him in instead.

>>722988813
>Not a single developer will use anything "local" or uncensored because they will be scared of pedophiles and nazis.

what do pedos and nazis have to do with a local model being run on a devs own computer?
do any of you anti-ai people know what the fuck you're even talking about or is it all just technophobic conjecture from someone who gets their info from wikipedia?

>>722995363
That’s not my market, but you’d be surprised.

>>722995276
>But prompters are frequently called artists.
So what, it's not like anyone knows what art means anyways, it's just an empty word.

>>722994828
Normal people lack the ability to discern AI images but they sure do fucking having the "in-depth knowledge" to explain why they hate it so much.
I've seen people praise obvious AI pictures decorating a business, I get messaged crappy AI videos and pics with "what a crazy cat lol" attached, I've had to save my grandmother from believing in a poorly AI generated voice clip of a famous person. The absolutely most hilarious are nostalgia bait black and white photo gens targeting gullible boomers. Point it out and they'll all go on a rant about AI followed by "anyways it doesn't matter it's AI because (...)" mental gymnastics.
You are not normal. You're some autist posting on the "le evil hacker" imageboard. Normal people have strong opinions on AI but are actually utterly oblivious to it. You've seen the results of image gen a thousand times tagged as AI and now instinctively know the patterns. They don't. To them it's just yet another throwaway picture in some brochure.

art is the expression of ideas through a medium.

An algorithm cannot express itself. Searching google images is not self expression through a medium.

AI users are kinda like faggots trying to change the definition of marriage at this point.

>>722995221
Arugably depending on how intricate they use Suno. But even then that's still prompting music, a type of artist that prompts. It is creating music with tool assited programs.
https://youtu.be/8eW9FpnLRL0

>>722995189
You're under the false assumption that I'm taking sides. I don't care about your side, like at all. That's all you need to understand.

>>722995308
Seething diaper fetish doodler "artist". I'm sorry how Mexico keeps discriminating against you Hondurans.
>>722995337
So? If you're going to make a descriptive argument that people are artists if people call them so it doesn't matter who calls them that.

>>722995441
>Indian who scams your grandma pretending to be IT
>Indian who scams your grandma using AI
Why are they like this?

>>722995491
Oney it's like the only artist I saw with a good view for AI

>>722985981
It doesn't matter if it's AI or not, art is dead BECUASE mega corporations commodified it. People don't do it for your expression anymore, people do it to make money.
I value AI prompt artists more than soulless Marvel movie writers or Google corpo-art graohic designers for sure.

>>722995368
>Senjor! Senjor! Bloody gringo basterd don't mock my "artist" protfolio just being 3000 almost identical pieces of diaper fetish porn O algo

No wonder video games are in such a sorry state if these are the kinds of people who play them. Knowing that I share my longest-standing hobby with these people almost makes me wonder if it was ever a good use of my time. Such aggressively stupid and vacuous people.

>>722995368
>what's 2+2? And don't say 4!

>Most of the replies are just one guy desperately responding to people on cooldown
>Even using the same insults
Lmao, "ideas guys" seething

Prompting as an artform resembles digital photography. The expression you have is in what equipment and settings you use. If you don't like the shot you get you can snap another picture with a button press. You can also optionally touch it up afterwards. The vast majority will just take out their phones and snap a picture with default settings.

>>722995430
Maybe. Have you considered that some people might enjoy fiddling around with software more than writing or doodling?

ai art does not prompt or generate itself, it makes no decisions on its own, all is commanded by a human.
if your argument is that "a human must make it" for it to be art then it is art.

>>722995441
>>722994828
See >>722986468

>>722995491
I think they’re just somebody who used Suno.

>>722995491
Art is not “an image” or “a song”. Its not the end result.
Art is self expression THROUGH THE MAKING OF a painting or song.
The important part of art is that you are expressing yourself through the creation of the finished piece.
There is no expression when you google search an image. There is no expression when you ask Claude to write a poem for you. You are not doing the creating, the algorithm is. So you cannot express anything through creating, because the algorithm is the one creating.

>>722995628
>>722995535
>>722995658
>They genuinely can't think of another one
Come on man, I thought you were supposed to be idea guys

>>722995690
Of course I have. That doesn’t make them artists is all I’m saying.

>>722989005
>It's a tool. I don't get the hate for it. Most of the hate is coming from people who couldn't draw a stick figure standing next to a block house. What do they care? Why are dumb people so opinionated about things they don't do?
There's a difference between using AI as a tool and using it a shortcut. Generating art is not the same as using AI to smoothen outlines and remove errors on a commission you were working on. There is a clear difference between an advanced toolbox and a robot built to do all the work for you.

>>722995374
You’re not making the point you think you are

>>722995640
Facts. Who the fuck has such a barren soul that their reference points are Dragon Ball Z and Harry Potter?

>>722995737
cool, I always add a fart sound in the middle of my suno songs, glad to see that process makes them actual art.

>>722995684
Learning that about photography made me really devalue it as an artform even if the results are sometimes cool. I'd rather they just show me the reality of what the shot looks like, but it's all heavily edited bullshit. Nothing to add I just hate that.

>>722979541
>sjw
how were the dinosaurs unc

>>722995785
>dragon ball is bad… because it just is okay!

>>722995703
That's just commissioning art.

>>722995785
No, anon, I was talking about you. Dragon Ball Z was great, and I enjoyed reading those Harry Potter books when I was a small child.

I kneel to the anti-ai crusader in this thread, I feel like it's been a while since I saw someone with both strong and informed opinions on this board. I have never seen ai art that captures the simple charm of a sketch like this, it's always hyperdetailed slop, and even when loras are used for specific artists with simpler styles it turns into smeared garbage because the nature of convolution (something the average ai tard has never heard of, much less understands). I hope you manage to stamp out the garbage worshipping retards and that the ai ouroboros consumes itself into total slop death soon.

>>722995684
It doesn't, because the artistry of photography is in capturing something that actually exists in reality in a way that you think looks aesthetically pleasing or expresses some kind of meaning.
AI prompting requires none of this

>>722995737
And the human who posses the vision they prompt out is making that expression happen.

>>722995741
So do you also draw vore diaper porn of Harry Potter, or just Dragon Ball Z characters?
>>722995765
Colloquially people very often call software art so I don't see why programmers or prompters aren't artists.

>>722995838
they're fine you mentally ill faggot

>>722991151
>>722992962
Laziness shouldn't be rewarded

>>722995737
if you can't rhyme, but you can write, and write a short story that you want to be turned into a poem at some particular meter and ask claude to do it, that is art. all you've done is use the ai to augment your own creativity. nobody just goes "write me a poem" they usually have a subject in mind. the expression of that subject, even though an ai's generation, is still art.

>>722995846
>>722995851
>Bloody benchoid gringo don't you dare insult my slop TV

>>722995857
>(samefag)

>>722995876
Equating a prompter with a computer programmer is as disingenuous as equating them with an illustrator. There is already a word that very adequately describes what prompters do, and here we both are, using it.

>I don't care if I'm called an artist or not
>But also I'm an artist, please don't say I'm not an artist, I'm actually an artist, look at these technicalities and word games, I'm definitely an artist

>>722995942
Everyone likes dragon ball on /v/
You’re not making the point you think you are

>>722995923
but enough about welfare

>>722995923
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, bro. Some beauty is intricately designed after hours of hours of toiling away, some beauty just exists. Part of what makes art so great is that there is no limit to the ways beauty can be appreciated and viewed.

>>722995952
t. mathlet, enjoy your cargo cult

>>722995857
>I have never seen ai art that captures the simple charm of a sketch like this
I mean, have you looked for it? Most people post generic slop due to a general lack of self-awareness about how generic it is, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

>>722995942
Maybe this passes for a good post on the sharty.

>Jeet calling other people Mexicans
What happened to this site

>>722995873
Asking a robot to make something is not the same as using your hands to make something in your vision. A robot isn't going to meet your artistic vision.

>>722996027
I have, I was specifically thinking of the wamu loras when I wrote it. They produce something that looks like his style, but instead made by a knockoff who doesn't understand linework.

>>722996050
It died a painful death in 2015 and has been rattling for ten years. These guys are the dumbest fucking people I’ll ever speak to in my life. They astound me.

>>722996009
Yeah when we're talking about mother fucking Michaelangelo not a Goddamn prompt you typed into chatgpt

>>722995848
and if i used my own resources and my own graphics card and my own prompting and did my own manual tweaking of how the ai handles the data it's using to generate the image, i am commissioning art from myself. and it is, in fact, art. there is no difference between what my 2080 can draw and what you can draw, except my 2080 is a lot faster and better at drawing robot girls than you.

>>722995974
You can make prompting as technical as you want with custom architecture though. You're treating the equivalent of doodling stick figures as the most technical that AI art can be. If you want to get extra spicy you can even write your own training algorithms.

>>722996075
Based, thank you for an example of nice and crisp human made art in your reply to me. This would look way worse if it was made by ai

>>722974707
I've tried deepseek so many times and the only fun part of it was the botmaking. The RPs were just predictable slop.

>>722996137
>people used to agree with my retarded opinions
skill issue

>>722996009
Ugly art looks better given context
When its ai, the context makes it immediately garbage

>>722996195
I can assure you that I’m not. I’ve used it myself extensively. Prompting is not programming, and it isn’t drawing either. It is not an art.

>>722996190
Did you draw it?

>>722996197
So? I'm using both and you're just malding. What are you going to do? Steal my GPU?

>>722996190
>Disingenuous word games
You didn't write the AI, you just downloaded a program.
You're an ideas guy, nothing more

>>722996265
You know most locally run generation tools are just GUI on top of Python so you absolutely can customize it to your heart's content.

>AI bros are shartyteens
lol

>>722996373
Whats worse is they could be Pakistanis

>>722996190
If you weren't directly involved with the creation of the work you aren't the artist. You are commissioning something else to do the work for you. If you pay an artist to make art for you then you are the commissioner not the artist. Artists are craftsman not producers.

>>722996373
cope, I'd be mad too if I was about to lose my job to an expensive calculator

>is art!
>isn't art!
>is art!
>isn't art!
Who the fuck cares, it's a meaningless word. Bait some with a shitpost here and you're a troll. Bait someone with a shitpost irl and you're a performance artist. "Art" means nothing. Stop arguing.

>>722996050
Given your effeminate posting style you should get tested for AIDS.

Can AI do this?

>>722996307
Similarly to you I'm not going to do anything but insult you over the internet. I will simply enjoy watching the dumb tribesmen like you ooga booga over the shiny monolith that has been dropped from the sky, knowing that I understand it's workings and flaws to a far stronger degree than them.

The 2020s: the birth of Homo insipiens

>>722996412
>t. Indian

>>722996463
So if you use synthetic pigments you aren't a real artist. Got it.

Huh, I'm kind of surprised there's so many pro-artfags here. I thought it was all spite here.

>>722996228
yeah it's not great at schmoozing, i had fun mindbreaking it with this stuff however
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/xtpcJjfWhn3Xn8Pu5/anomalous-tokens-in-deepseek-v3-and-r1

whispering sweet lewd nothings to it with base64 and getting back 10 page long orgasmic meltdowns was pretty fun

>>722996526
Pakistanis hates AI slop
Jeets love them

>>722996475
I work as a caregiver.

>>722996478
>"Art" means nothing
"the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power."

>>722996531
nah only drawfags like other drawfags, or not even that lmao

>>722996586
But English is my second language so uh, actually it means whatever is most convenient to me at the time of writing.

>>722996531
The spite wheel is turning a bit because it turns out that lazy assholes with bad taste are reviled by everyone, and ai artists with bad taste have much higher output than bad human artists, so search results and online content is becoming saturated with their turds.

>>722996586
>art means nothing
it does but your art is meaningless

>>722996559
Pakistanis hate Indians, not slop

>>722996463
so if you don't make your own ink and paint you're not an artist?
i know you're made all the white people took your jobs away and turned your entire country into feckless gooners but don't take it out on us
here is a human drawn pic of you btw i commissioned it from your mom

>>722996529
The medium is irrelevant. Did you do the work or tell something else to do it for you?

>>722996505
Yes but it'll take you ages with all the inpainting you'll have to do.

>>722996519
>look I made strawmen
ok

>>722996746
Did you mix the paints or tell something else to do it for you?

>>722996742
AI shills are the jeets. Keep up.

>>722996760
Can AI DO THIS???

>>722996816
Damn, you’ve got nothing?

>>722996529
>>722996742
>UMMM WELL TECHNICALLY
Did you just now hear about Socratic dialogue or something? Obviously he's referring to learning the actual skill itself, rather than being an ideas guy that gives a spec to a robot

>>722996585
makes sense, the mentally ill always seek out healthcare jobs

>>722996812
Nothing straw about it, but I will concede to you if you can show me you have even a basic understanding of convolution and it's relation to modern ai before this thread dies

>>722996816
You don't seem to understand the point.

>>722996875
Wow, haha. You really are lower than dirt.

>>722996742
>actually you are the jeet saar
Notice how Indians always deflect to Pakistan or some other form of Indian when they get found out

>>722996864
How is learning to grind and pigments not an integral skill for a visual artist?

AI niggers chimping out about not being considered real artists exactly like trannies not being considered real women will always be funny

>>722996920
Oooh, too close?

>>722996841
Yes but it'll take you ages with inpainting.
Medieval and early renaissance art is actually pretty easy for AI since it's already fucky with perspective.

>>722996863
No I have my mixed pigments right here.

>>722996934
The learning to grind and pigments is integral to the art sir. I’m artist sir.

>>722996972
They do seem to seek validation for their substandard efforts in the same way, don't they

>>722996746
>Did you do the work
i did the work
i paid for the electricity
i wrote the prompt
i refined the prompt
i inpainted
i hand edited
i got the exact picture i wanted exactly the way i wanted it
the computer did nothing without my input and direct manipulation.

ai is not sapient or intelligent and it cannot take actions or make decisions on its own. no other sentient organism was involved in the creation of this image other than me.

>>722996980
>>722996841
Actually diffusion is really good at doing maximalist hyper detailed pieces which is part of why it usually has a distinct "AI" look. Digital art kind of suffers from the same problem where it has poor composition and too much detail too.

>>722996934
You're asking a robot to generate an image over and over until it matches your preferences instead of picking up a drawing tablet or mspaint.

>>722997076
You are pathetically desperate to be called an artist.

>>722997025
Very good sir. These days many fake "artists" just tell the computer what color to put where.

>>722996886
You wouldn't be this mad if you were confident and felt secure. You know that normalfags will eat literal dogshit and that's why AI scares you to your core.

You're afraid that the inferior slop will be good enough.

>>722996836
wrong, it's the poor jeets seething because the rich jeets are invested in ai and the wealth disparity there only grows larger by the day.
anti-ai screeching is the sound of millions of technophobic and technologically disadvantaged people seeing the boulder of reality headed straight for them

>>722997076
Hand editing I'll give you. Prompting is writing.

>>722996976
No, but I do have to thank you for making the rest of your team look even worse than they already did. You people are such contemptible losers.

>>722997181
*superior slop
AI has eclipsed doodlers months ago when it comes to detail, shading, perspective, etc.

For me AI is just a curiosity because I want to see how character would look in different art styles

>>722997282
I like to use it to see if a mindless LLM can see what I describe in my writing.

>>722997101
>Actually diffusion is really good at doing maximalist hyper detailed pieces which is part of why it usually has a distinct "AI" look.
There's so much shit in that painting that you wouldn't even know what to type aside from "Heaven and Hell."