Thread 722969282

Uhh what the helly...

I'm old

Me mum spends her golden years playing candy crush (old women's gacha) so I guess she's a gamer too

What about console/PC owners only

Roblox

>>722969383
All gaming is real gaming, chud.

>>722969282 (OP)
>according to
>scientists discover
>experts agree
>reports show
>studies suggest
>research show

>>722969282 (OP)
Gaming is a millennial hobby at its core, remakes are made to cash in on 90s kid nostalgia and almost every top 10/100 list has a massive 90s and 80s bias. We won't see Zoomstains overtake them anytime soon.
>Women
Numbers are tainted by you know what

>>722969282 (OP)
>tfw no 40 years old hag gamer wife

>>722969282 (OP)
Im a 50 year old hard core gamer mom i play candycrush everyday LOL

>>722969282 (OP)
Cool, now limit it to people who play at least three different non mobile games a month and who play at least 20 hours a week.

Troons are not women, phone games are not real games.

Why would I just stop playing video games when they objectively improve in quality and technology with time? What, I was supposed to just stop at sega Dreamcast and say "welp that's it for video games"? I can't wait for the crazy shit that will come out in the decades to come.

T. 37

I have two older sisters (in their mid to late thirties) and they both play videogames.
Anything from the following series they always buy
>the sims
>pokemon
>dragon age
>dynasty warriors
>harvest moon/story of seasons

>>722969282 (OP)
>Japanese salary woman spends 30m on farmville commuting to and from work
>Marketing firm in America tells a AAA studio making a PS game they need to appeal to her so they'll capture her market share

>>722969282 (OP)
>data is collected based on name on credit/debit cards
>guys named kelly and ashley are put in the womens camp
>single mothers buying games for their kids are listed as gamers
>kids buying gems for phone games under their parents gmail account

it's been this way for nearly 20 fucking years now with these faggot "reports"

now let's see those player numbers by platform

>>722969282 (OP)
Jarvis pull up how many of those "women" have a cock or dangling scrotum skin around their "vaginas"

>>722969282 (OP)
Whenever it comes to these kinds of reports, just look at the state of society, business, and the people around you to see if you should trust it. When reports and anecdotes are in conflict, trust the anecdotes over the reports (step one is to be someone who cares about the truth and reason in the first place, of course; there's no helping someone who lives in an ideological bubble and dismisses everything outside of it).

If these people have their finger on the pulse of who the ACTUAL audience for games is and what it is that they want, then why does listening to them destroy even massive, established companies with beloved brands and infinite funding from BlackRock? They've always got their pathetic excuses, but we all know which string ties these cases together.

>>722969282 (OP)
I've been hearing this shit for more than a decade now, and it's always been utter bogus. Questionable methodology aside, the idea that "gamer", or "person who plays games" is a single uniform group is retarded.
I don't understand why it's so wrong to have male dominated spaces. I don't want steamy romance novels to cater to my needs as a man, so why should my vidya cater to the needs of women.

>>722969282 (OP)
wtf do women need videogames for? ffs

>>722969282 (OP)
>70% are girls!
>no wait its 50%
>no wait its 80%
>no wait its 41%
every time i see this shit its completely different
do they just make up figures at this point?

>>722974795
>I don't understand why it's so wrong to have male dominated spaces.
If you were a tyrant, which would you want to have cultural dominance:

1. A strong, rational, individualistic person who can take care of himself and looks after his kin
2. An individual who's easily pressured by the institutions, relies on others for protection, and is prone to both gossip and snitching on people who aren't following the rules

Furthermore, if you wanted to kill birthrates, can you think of a better way to do it than teaching women to hate men and throwing them in an office? And this comes with the additional advantage of having the snitches in charge of the office!

>>722969282 (OP)
>and nearly half are women
Phone games aren't equivalent to actual console and PC games and it's idiotic they don't separate the two because that would make the numbers far more realistic.

>>722969282 (OP)
So what games do these "women" play?

>>722974874
this

>>722972668
That's American White Women lol.

>>722969282 (OP)
So the average gamer is a 41yo woman?

>>722969282 (OP)
100% they factored in mobile gaming like casual match-3 shit on their phones, or they outright just used phone data as the sole source.
I mean this from both the 50% female statistic AND the high age average. (I know trans "women" are probably being factored in too, but that probably doesn't affect the number much.)

To hell with it, here's the direct source, if anyone's wondering: https://www.theesa.com/resources/the-global-power-of-play-report/

>>722969282 (OP)
There are more 40 year olds than 20 year olds thanks to women destroying the demographic pyramid by barely producing kids in their youth

They 100% included mobile games

>>722974984
Is 100% real, deal is that they also count mobile gaming see>>722976254, meaning me Mom playing crosswords on her phone makes her a gamer, funny thing is she plays more than I do and I am a fucking neet.

>>722969556
Not true at all, the reason why most remakes are selling like hotcakes is because they are simply better games and that their design still looks more appealing to people than whatever the fuck most AAA slop is supposed to be these days. The Oblivion remake sold fucking gangbusters yet almost 50% of the people who bought it said that they had never played the original before.

>>722969282 (OP)
Mobileslop cope thread
Remember when "62% of gamers only play facebook games like farmville" was the main thing?
Kys

>>722969556
And yet streamerslop like schedule 1 and friendslop like peak destroy sales numbers of millennial franchises. The future is indie and orbits streamers. Just schedule 1 and peak have almost sold more copies than the entire metroid franchise to date. 2 games vs. like 14+ titles.

>>722969556
>>722976859
Kevin Feige's son wasn't into Marvel until he played Marvel Rivals. Which is more like 90s Marvel with a dash of anime than the MCU and couldn't be further from what Marvel turned into after Feige gained full creative control.

Marvel Rivals didn't succeed because it was an established brand. Marvel is a declining brand, and Marvel Rivals bucked the trend and succeeded where Marvel's Avengers failed because of the charm that made Marvel popular in the first place. HUGE difference, and if you can't understand it, you shouldn't be allowed input on multi-million dollar entertainment productions.

>>722969282 (OP)
My 65 year old mom playing candy crush or whatever is counted among them

>half are women
>yes, that includes trans women
>yes, that includes phone games
>yes, that means we are beholden to our shareholders to cater to them as well at your expense

>>722977316
Nta but it reminds me of how all the streamers are playing and shilling that new megabonk game. Its alright, I have it myself, but I have not seen it mentioned once on /v/ despite fantastic sales and being FOTMslop that everyone else is talking about. /v/ is do far removed from the average gamer these days.

>>722977328
Anon it had nothing to do with being marvel at all. It was the first overwarch clone to have tits and bulges after a near decade of woke garbage. It also was 3ps capitalizing on the fortnite kiddos. Basically it was a right place right time success, but none of that success had anything to do with marvel.

>>722977457
it's not mentioned because of all the faggy reddit memes it's infested with. reminds me of guacmemee.

>>722977457
There's nothing to talk about with megabonk. Astroturfed to hell slot machine vampire survivors/risk of rain 2 clone. It does nothing original and is just a waste of everyone's time.

>>722969282 (OP)
At least 80% of people are too stupid or uninformed to see through articles like this. And they do it with everything.

>>722969282 (OP)
>Not even half

>>722977457
But /v/ did talk about risk of rain 2 a whole bunch? What the fuck is this weird ass amnesia you're having bud?

they include phone users

>>722977576
>>722977609
And yet the board obsesses constantly over steam sales charts threads. Like it or not /v/ has passed it's time in the sun.

>>722972623
Why do so many women love Dragon Age anyway? I get them liking faggot shit like Veilguard and DAI, but even the first game seems pretty popular with them.

>>722977857
>i play match 3, i'm such a hardcore gamer!

>>722977857
I was gonna call out strategy for being absolute bullshit but then they probably include shit like >>722977982 in strategy or some shit.

>>722977494
The character interactions are charming to listen to. That definitely matters. When you play Marvel Rivals, you feel like you're playing special.

The best way to think of fanservice is to think of it like any other aesthetic choice. You can give your characters laser guns, computers, and shiny space station walls, but if you can't remember anything other than that the characters had laser guns and were running down shiny hallways with computers, that's not going to bring the sci-fi crowd in. And even the people who do show up probably won't stick around. Giving it a Star Wars skin wouldn't necessarily give it enough of a boost to make up for licensing costs. You have to get the whole package right: aesthetics, atmosphere, gameplay.

>>722969282 (OP)
were half born as women though

722972537
Faggot

>>722969282 (OP)
Why are you shocked? You think kids who grew up with the PS1 just stopped playing games?

Better start designing games for geriatrics

>>722969282 (OP)
remove mobile games from that report and the results would be a complete inverse

a bunch of old cunts playing candy crush or the harry potter mobile game are not the same as someone who owns multiple consoles or a gaming PC that costs $1500+

>>722969282 (OP)
Yet it still feels like 90% are mentally retarded 12 year olds

>>722979115
You should be asking yourself why you're playing games populated with said company.

>>722975940
Mobile games. Older women playing games such as picrel on their iPad.

>>722969282 (OP)
>mobile games
I strongly suspect this is what ruined gaming. Publishing executives see these jimmied numbers about women playing games, and start insisting developers make everything feminine. Because they don't understand that iOS match-3, mystery, and merge games are NOT the same as the shit real gamers play on consoles.

>>722969282 (OP)
>>722979841

>>722969282 (OP)
>"gamer" meaning anyone who has ever downloaded solitaire onto their phone from the app store

>>722969536
But this was a survey

>>722969282 (OP)
>>722979903
Your middle aged mother and geriatric grandmother who play games of Facebook are now counted as gamers

>>722969282 (OP)
We always bring up mobileshit in these male/female statistics, but what would happen to the female % if you removed mobileshit AND nintendo platforms?

>>722969282 (OP)
Remove mobile and the 50 % "female" ratio is gone.
I'm going through the report, but I have yet to see how they define games, because there is a clear distinction between good old games and the cancer that is mobile shit.

>>722969282 (OP)
Where do I find these 40 year old female gamers?

>>722969282 (OP)
Kids just look at TikToks

>>722979957
Between how many people? I could survey 4 males and 1 female, then claim males make up 80% of the gamers

>half is gamers!

So tired of this stupid fucking study. By definition, yes, half women do play "video games," but mobile is so different than regular gaming that it serves to do nothing but mislead people by saying this horse shit. How about you stop lopping in your candy crush, or 5 minutes of some stupid game she played that one time at the doctors office from your dumb ass studies you stupid fucks?

If you made jogging a sport, would you then claim that 90% of all women play sports? Get fucked kike "journalists"

>>722980084
>Where do I find these 40 year old female gamers?

See >>722979974
>Your middle aged mother and geriatric grandmother who play games of Facebook

>>722979640
You suspect wrong. The alliance of BlackRock and the NGOs (Sweet Baby Inc, Take This, etc.) sent by government agencies as proxies aren't thinking about immediate monetary profit from sales of the game. They're motivated by prestige within the neoliberal sphere and protecting/advancing the power of neoliberalism, which has feminism as one of its cores. They literally talk about people who reject wokeshit in the same way that they talk about Russia: as hostile foreign agents and a target of countermeasures with the end goal of destroying our influence. I wish I was exaggerating, but it's also obvious if you look at the propaganda machine that we've been up against.

They already have the conclusion that they want to reach. They work backwards trying to find points to justify it. They'd come up with something just as stupid if they didn't have grandmas playing casual puzzle games, and just like with this, the perfectly reasonable counterarguments wouldn't be allowed in the boardroom.

>>722978123
They probably also count "tower defense" as strategy

>>722975764
At this point, mobile gaming should be considered nothing more than electric puzzle/board games. Like playing crosswords or scrable. It's an entirely different type of video game. It's not even a real study to include that shit. Who hasn't sat somewhere and played a crossword puzzle? Even old people that claim they don't play video games (which they correctly assumed meant console/pc) would probably still say they'd played a crossword puzzle. So at that level, might as well say 99% of the population with a phone plays some kind of fucking video game.

>>722980483
>They already have the conclusion that they want to reach. They work backwards trying to find points to justify it.
The fucking irony of you saying this, lmfao.

>>722977457
>megabonk
This is not a mainstream normie game you disingenuous retard

>>722980521
Mobile games have been allways like that. Just the platform don´t allow any other kind of game. Do you think you would play confortabily a 4X on a phone? A real racing game? Or a competitive fighting game.

>>722969282 (OP)
yeah sure buddy
"women"

>>722980562
>This game that all the normalfag streamers are playing is not a normalfag game

Then why the fuck is /v/ so full of underage kiddies

>>722980483
Based, but a little cringe.

>>722980725
Just because they are being paid to shill it doesn't mean your average normie retard is playing you disingenuous retard. It's an tiny indie steam game.

>>722969282 (OP)
now remove mobile and f2p

>>722979957
Yes, and? Surveys can be as easily manipulated as "studies". For example, there is no clear distinction between games, pay to win games and gacha or what a gamer actually is. You only have a handful of genres shown that don't tell you anything - not even examples are given. Is candy crush a puzzle or action game? We will never know.

It's a political correct survey that pretends to be scientific by including the "muh fefes"-research and technological aspects of video games and its hardware from different sources. See mental evaluation "studies" and NASA's talk about AR and VR use.

tl;dr it's shit.

>>722980715
Yes I am a woman and you will accept it!

>>722974795
In the first place "gamer" is cringe marketing term that pathetic manchildren have turned into their identity. Anyone using the term gamer unironically is either an ignorant child or a stupid manchild adult.

>>722980532
Legendary companies like EA, Ubisoft, and THQ have closed or been forced to completely restructure because they listened to you. Many others are on the ropes. And this problem extends to the rest of the western entertainment industry.

If the public were legitimately eating this up, it'd be frustrating and I'd still be talking about alternatives, but I wouldn't be tackling this from the perspective of "nobody is buying this". Lying as naturally as you breathe is what YOU do.

>>722969354
I'm getting old. I'm still very flexible but my knees are beginning to feel stiff.

>>722969282 (OP)
>same report says like 80% are mobile "gamers"
yeah ok

>>722969416
No.

>>722969282 (OP)
They're still counting phone games and browser games.

"real" gamers are like 20% of video game consumers. I don't consider mobile/gacha faggots, mazed in moba/shooter faggots or even snoy movie gaming dadfags actual gamers. they are just consumers that happen to buy games or game related services. these surveys are nebulous nonsense because gamer means nothing and everything at the same time.

>>722980904
You're posting on 4chan.org/v/, you're a gamer. The fact that you're in denial about it only makes it worse

>>722981448
>people who play open world, real time strategy, slasher, shooter or TPS games aren't REAL gamers
Das rite only survival roguelike deck builders are REAL gamers

>>722981448
the esa is funded by game publishers, they have no interest in being scientific. these "studies" are just evidence they can use when lobbying for or against whatever legislation they need them for. it's not intended to be taken seriously by the industry, only by people outside the industry

>>722980749
Because the average gamer is playing video games, while kids have their hands free to shitpost while they're watching "content" "creators".

>>722969282 (OP)
AI slop.

>>722969416
Especially the crossword puzzle apps!

>>722981448
So just like movie enthusiasts or gearheads. Casuals drive cars and watch an occasional movie but they don't obsess over them as a hobby.

>>722969282 (OP)
Mobile "gamers" are fake gamers

>>722969282 (OP)
>and most of them played candy crush
real gaming

>>722981448
>>722982423
You're not breaking down how OP is trying to use semantics to conflate two different markets in order to argue that the male-oriented one needs to be subverted.

The casual driver is still in the market for cars. The casual moviegoer is in the market for movies. Everyone (including this lying piece of shit writer) understands that when people say "gamer", they're talking about someone who's sitting in front of a TV or monitor with a controller. These "gamers" are not on the market for the kinds of games that would lead people to describe an individual as a gamer.

>>722972946
its cute that you're trying to cope about the women thing, but these things always include mobile shit. that includes gacha, candy crush, even fucking sudoku. also the time spent gaming per day/week is irrelevant or low too.

the only thing you might have a point on is credit cards for pointing out age (if that is even how they gathered data) but even then it again includes mobile shit, so it includes people just passing time on the commute to work and shit.

>>722980047
It'd be like 85-15 which are the real numbers or at least a good estimate

>>722969282 (OP)
define "gamer" because I bet they counted mobile trash like candy crush
>survey
doubt it

>>722980047
Customer percentages for any given semi-popular game (percentages go down when they haven't broken into the mainstream):
40% for cozy games
20% for JRPGs, gacha, and core Nintendo
10% for shooters, WRPGs, action games, and crafters
1% for strategy
A small handful of third person action games/WRPGs have hooked with women and bumped them into cozy territory, like Assassin's Creed
I have trouble saying with city planners. It feels like something that should have female players, but you don't really see them.

That's my estimate going off of interacting with the communities. And if your head is going towards remembering that you've met women in these games, think about how many of them there are compared to men that you've met. If 10% are women, and there are four players in a game (counting you), you'll probably meet one every four games on average.

>>722969282 (OP)
>match 3 and match 3 derivatives
>gamers
lel

>>722979957
I didn't get surveyed, so I know it wasn't comprehensive.

>>722977929
They get to romance that whiny little faggot Alistair. Can't see what the appeal is, but apparently he melts femcel panties.

I am glad all these surveys are completely out of touch
the world could use some more Concords

>>722969282 (OP)
>nearly half are women
Mobile games don't count.

>>722979957
Keep in mind what year it is, and how our hobby has become a cultural battleground against our will.