Thread 722975226

how much "story" did they cram into this 2d platformer?

>>722975293
the entire story boils down to "women moment"

>>722975293
Significantly less than original HK has, and it's pretty lame
They constantly shove a Poochie non-character in your face and expect you to give a fuck about her too

>>722975226 (OP)
Yeah
Churches are pretty shit
t. Jesus is Lord

now that casuals moved to the next fotm, can we all agree that the game is too easy and needs more fun bosses like lace and hard parkour like cogwork

>>722975226 (OP)
.............
I mean, you're right.

>>722975226 (OP)
Silksong is one of the few examples where the Church isn't actually necessarily bad
It's god herself that's a massive bitch, and they're doing the best they can do deal with it

Honestly, better question is why TC keeps making female higher beings the villains, even if there's still some goods ones like the White Lady

>>722978292
Woman moment
But there's also Grimm and while it doesn't seem like he wants to conquer the world or something he still has some people trapped to serve him until they'll eventually die I guess

>>722975226 (OP)
The Catholic church is is preeeeetty bad. Lots of Evangelical churches are terrible. Megachurches are bad. This is nothing against believing in the resurrection of Christ or anything.. All Churches just seem to be meh or bad in real life...

>>722978373
Grimm doesn't seem like a bad guy at all, he's just considered very crass, given that he pillages and desecrates the sorrow of a dying kingdom to perpetuate himself. Not that it seems to actually affect anyone, as even the completion of the ritual doesn't seem to negatively affect anything
>he still has some people trapped to serve him until they'll eventually die
Even then, it's not like he's actually trapping anyone. Grimm doesn't seem to actually force anyone into his charge, just offering them the job. Their mind and personality is just overwhelmed by the role of the troupe after they joined. More of a buyer's remorse deal than anything else, and even THEN, Brumm speaks more out of disgust at the unnatural state of the troupe, and holds no ill will towards the Knight if they don't choose to banish them.

The guy's just a macabre freak and everyone hates him, but he's not actually a bad guy.

>>722975226 (OP)
explain "First sinner" and "Eva" being two separate characters.

>>722975380
You're brown.

>>722979412
What? They are completely different kinds of characters.

First Sinner was the first Weaver created.
Eva was an attempt by the Weavers to create artificial life out of silk, which would later be perfected with Lace

>>722979803
No I mean how does it fit the church allegory.

>>722980175
I don't think the OP meant that Silksong is an analogy for Christian Mythology, but rather that it's using the same CHURCH BAD plot that you see in dozens and dozens of different games.

>>722980331
Theoretically it's a bit more positive than other Church Bad plots from other games, Sherma himself even after witnessing the horrors of the Citadel decides to not abandon his faith but to look at it from a different angle

Christcucks are the real jews because they have the same persecution complex

>>722980479
Well, it's not FAITH BAD, just CHURCH BAD.
It's a pretty common theme in CHURCH BAD stories that the church is misappropriating and exploiting those who justifiably have faith.

The Citadel of Song literally sends pilgrims to work themselves to death, and even sets up automated confessionals where pious members are told, regardless of what they've done, that they must continue to work without rest as a form of penance for their sins.

South Australia is the most religious state in Australia. It's also probably the best.
Meanwhile these atheist chudcel devs shit on christianity in they game. They should come live in Victoria with me and all the troons and brown hordes if they hate christcuckery so much lol.

>>722978521
The catholic church is one of the best things to ever happen to europe you retarded mutt.

>>722980771
I stand by my point, almost every "Chuch Bad" story loves to imply that it's not just the Church that is bad but also having faith is dumb and if you have faith you're stupid and probably secretly Hitler

>>722975226 (OP)
If you meet Buddha on the road, kill him

>>722980813
Anon, what part of Silksong shits on Christianity?

>>722980886
I disagree entirely.
In my experience from the Church Bad stories I've played, it's often a case of the church perverting a genuinely divine force. Final Fantasy X and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 come to mind.

>>722980886
No it doesnt you dumb nigger. Go back to /pol/ and leak your sad chudcel clitty. Nobody fucking cares about your victim-complex.

>>722980985
Like OP said. Those chuds push the message of "CHURCH BAD! VOID (NIETZCHE) GOOD!"

>NOOOO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE A POWERFUL ORGANIZATION INSPIRED BY A REAL WORLD POWERFUL ORGANIZATION THAT IS FAMOUS FOR PERSECUTING PEOPLE AS THE MAIN ANTAGONISTIC FORCE OF YOUR STORY!
Why are religitards like this?
Do libertarians act like this too when corporations are the villain?

>>722981105
What do churches have to do with Christianity? Pretend I fell asleep two thousand years ago after listening to a sermon directly from an apostle and just woke up today, how are those two things related?

>>722981056
nah you troons care alot

>>722981056
Your reply is completely useless to me or to the conversation

>>722981264
You are american aren't you?

>>722981264
We get it you are very smart and know that most christians dont actually follow the teachings of christ. Nobody cares faggot, christianity is whatever the majority of christians say it is.
>>722981325
Well you are wrong. I dont fucking care.

>>722981460
You apparently cared enough to reply

>>722981336
Listen, I know perfectly well that many Christians go to church. I also know you're trying to say that anyone who is anti-church is anti-Christian
Most Christians also wear clothes. Is Kill la Kill anti-Christian?
Most American Christians drive cars. Is anyone promoting public transit anti-Christian?

>>722975226 (OP)
immature teenage girls and beta faggots want to feel edgy: THE GAME

>>722978064
yup, my 2nd playthrough has all unused stacks of rosaries and shards. Plus i only use nail attacks with barely any tools except necessary on quest given

>>722978963
He's just a creepy eldritch horror making use of a dead kingdom

>>722981460
>christianity is whatever the majority of christians say it is.
Simple truth about every religion. If Christians actually followed Christ the US would be much closer to communism than whatever the fuck it is now because Christ LITERALLY lived in a commune and practiced radical wealth sharing where nobody owns anything and instead everyone shares their belongings.

But all of that would require actual effort and sacrifice so instead you tell some faggot at church you've been bad from time to time and he says "that's ok bro" and there, you achieved Christian praxis.

>>722978292
>TC keeps making female higher beings the villains
because women are evil and kicked men out of paradise

>>722981869
>pro communism
begone, chink.
Communism will never work because it's literally just taking resources from people who put in effort, and giving it to people who are lazy cunts.
Only lazy cunts want that, and lazy cunts have no motivation or power to change or shape society.

>>722981951
Ok so Christ is a lazy cunt. Got it.
Your words, not mine.
Please don't actually read about how Christ lived. You might learn something about your religion.
Jesus would be classified as a communist if he lived today. He was basically living according to the communist ideal.

>>722981951
>most intelligent right-wing american
Posts like this make up like 90% of pol now nigga its nuts

>>722982039
I'm not even religious. Just laughing at you desperately trying to insert communism everywhere like a typical chink.

>>722982209
I wonder what kind of mind parasite causes you to be this retarded anon.
Maybe read a bit about how Christ lived and then fucking tell me that isn't picture perfect communism.

>>722982039
Christ taught to give what you can spare to those in need.
Christ didn't become a governing body that forced people to give up their hard earnings to lazy cunts who don't need it.

>>722981056
>whenever someone discusses a theme in a way I don't like, I have to have a rabid meltdown and invoke the /pol/ bogeyman to dismiss them
I have anti-/pol/ fatigue...

>>722981117
I consider myself libertarian and I acknowledge that it's weak against corporate exploitation, but I fucking hate corporations, they're abominations
Freedoms are for people

>>722981869
Jesus was unironically ok with property rights though, him giving away his stuff was his own choice and he didn't force it on anyone nor did he have expectations for people to follow his lifestyle, he was only angry if people "earned" something by making other people suffer

Chinky commie fag btfo and won't reply now

>>722982341
>This shit again
Disingenuous hair splitting to try and salvage your perception as a good Christian.
Why aren't you willingly living like Christ? Aren't you supposed to emulate his way of living? Or do you think you're better than him? His rules don't apply to you?

>>722982465
Bullshit. Christ wanted his flock to share everything among themselves. Literally made an entire deal about everyone pooling their wealth.

>>722982502
Go kill yourself you lying nigger.

>>722982590
>Just lies and thinks people don't know better
KEK
Go actually read the bible, chink

>>722982590
>Didn't read the Bible award
He literally "teached" people who were there to listen, he didn't impose shit on anyone, they were there, they were willing to do what he told them to do and him forcing his lifestyle on people would unironically be completely opposite to what Jesus was born to do.

>>722982590
Where in the bible did Christ literally force people to give up their resources to others?
Never. Christ CHOSE to do that sometimes, hence not even close to communism which forces people to give up their resources to lazy faggots like you.
You tried getting a job?

>>722982590
>Disingenuous hair splitting
NTA, but communism only ever manifests as authoritarians forcing people to comply. It's not disingenuous to point that out. The end goal of communism always seems to be to force itself on people who don't want it.
Communism that's wholly voluntary is, I believe, pretty based, but pretty much completely unworkable on a scale larger than a small village.

>>722982661
How about you do the same nigger
Go look at all the passages where Jesus tells people money is evil.
Go read about the communes he lived in where everything is shared.
Then kill yourself.

>>722982741
>More retarded hairsplitting
If you were born into Jesus's commune you'd be just as equally "forced" to share your wealth as if you were under communism. Turns out that when everyone does the same stuff around you you're just forced to go along.

>>722982792
Why aren't you choosing to live like him? Why don't you take the homeless into your house? Why haven't you donated your savings to charity? Why are you exempt from living according to his teachings?
Why won't you give me an honest answer to this. Why are you, a good Christian, not following his teachings? Why not? GIVE ME A GOOD FUCKING ANSWER FOR ONCE I'D FUCKING STRANGLE IT OUT OF YOU IT I COULD!
WHY WONT ANY FUCKING CHRISTIAN HONESTLY ADMIT THAT THEY'RE JUST COMPLETELY IGNORING WHAT HE'S TAUGHT YOU!

>>722982841
>Communism that's wholly voluntary is, I believe, pretty based, but pretty much completely unworkable on a scale larger than a small village.
But this is literally what Jesus wanted. So why don't Christians live like it?

>>722982590
Calm down xir
>>722982792
There's stuff like luke 18 25 tho. god hates 'excess' wealth

>>722982590
>calling anyone but yourself a nigger when you refuse to just work for things you want in life and want to instead ride off the work of other people.
LOL!
Chinky BTFO but this time he beat HIMSELF out

>>722982934
I can agree with that, but you're being a retard if you think not having excess wealth = communism.
Not having excess wealth just means not becoming a soulless billionaire or someone like Uncle Scrooge who never helps anyone.
Communism on the other hand forces people to have equal earnings despite some people being severely lazier than others.
Communism is unfair and a really retarded concept, only appealing to lazy retards.

>>722982926
Ok so you're just gonna keep lying and claiming random bullshit that would unironically annoy Jesus (it was actually fairly easy to annoy him during casual conversations)

>Be christian
>Fully know that Jesus wanted you to share everything you have as he did
>Live in a giant house while the homeless freeze to death outside anyways

Just be honest and admit that your religion means nothing to you. That you don't truly believe it.
If you really believed it you'd do it all. Because what matters your earthly comforts compared to your eternal life in heaven?
But you don't. Because none of you actually believe it.

>>722980883
in what way?

>>722980883
Yeah, like the time they let the Byzantine empire collapse to the Ottomans allowing Muslims to control Constantinople to this very day.
The Catholic Church spent more time trying to kill competing branches of Christianity such as the Bogomils and Cathars than it did Pagans and CERTAINLY more than it did trying to kill Muslims.
The Bogomils especially pissed them off because the Bogomils didn't build churches and said that your body was the temple, and so to worship was to fast, to dance, and to maintain a healthy lifestyle to cleanse the body. A healthy body was a healthy relationship with God.

Heaven forbid we had diet and exercise as a religious mandate, instead of the fat slobs of shit running the Catholic Church.

>>722983192
>Jesus wanted you to share everything you have as he did
false
>your religion means nothing to you
false
>But you don't.
Correct. I don't give everything I have to others like some fucking retarded cuck and Christ wouldn't want anyone to do that either like you falsely claim.
I donate to people who I believe truly need it.
You want to force people to give away literally everything they work for like some stereotypical Jew.
You have no idea what you're talking about, but by all means keep coping and seething.

>>722983192
>be christian
>want to kill all homeless people
they are twisted fucking psychopaths in the US that's for sure

>>722978064
Totally. Especially more platforming. And it should be before you get all the upgrades like double jump, cape and needle dash. They trivialized all the endgame platforming.

>have small modest house
>live standard life
>Anon claims I'm not a Christian because I'm not letting people into my apparently giant house

>>722983358
I donate to homeless as a Christian, so you just going to keep lying, chink?

>>722983386
it's really the cape and clawline that trivialize platforming. double jump can be worked around

>>722975380
The entire problem with Lace is that. we don't see her enough.

>>722978064
>and hard parkour like cogwork
No.
It needs more FUN parkour like cogwork.
The climb to the surface was hard, and it was boring as fuck.
Bilewater wouldn't be so bad if the hunters didn't just fuck off to and from the background, the main climb with those spitting things was fun once you got the hang of it.
The climb up the mountain was fun, and removing its difficulty after you beat it is a nice reward for future climbs.

But absolute bullshit like the surface climb? Nah, fuck that.

>>722982926
>But this is literally what Jesus wanted.
He wanted people to be kind and share. Communism as a political ideology carries a fuckload of extra baggage with it and always involves authoritarian atrocities. By the way, whenever I say capitalism can exist without corporations I get communists whining at me about how they're inextricably linked, so why does the communism suddenly get to be free of the rampant authoritarianism and political violence that defines it?
>So why don't Christians live like it?
Real life is complicated, it's been 2000 years since Jesus' teachings, and people often fall short of their own ideals.
You may also want to consider that many Christians do live like it.

>>722983547
Agreed, we actually see her more times than the Hollow Knight but HK had more of a looming presence, Lace is not really a big part of the world outside of the scenes she's part of

>>722975226 (OP)
>fictional religion that doesn't operate like christianity
>feel persecuted
why are fake christians like this?

Performative "trad" religiosity online is fucking embarrassing.
I'd take the fedora atheists back in an instant if I could, at least they didn't deny scientific facts or promoted dangerous bullshit.

>>722982926
The vast, VAST majority of Christians are in Africa, so if you're gonna be going CHRISTIAN BAD, I really hope you're the kind of person who is willing to say NIGGERS BAD because if you're not, your attacks on Christians are, indeed attacks on Africans.

Also Jesus is the second most important prophet of Islam.
Why aren't you lamblasting THEM for not sharing?

>>722983853
Because he's just a lazy faggot who is desperate to inject Communism into society so he can sit on his lazy ass all day.

>>722983725
>what is allegory

>>722983827
The 'you dont really believe what you think you believe nigger!' atheist tards are just as annoying as the trad tards

>>722984080
anything to feel like a victim I get it

>>722984425
I don't personally feel like a victim just because I recognize the the game is doing the tiresome
>Christianity bad
thing.
But then I'm not really all that religious.

>>722984479
It has nothing to do with Christianity other than being a religion, even in the game's lore there was a time that the area thrived and was actually a prosperous place of worship before it got corrupted and turned into what it is during the events of the game. You people are so braindead.

>>722984613
You still completely fail to understand allegory, and yet you call others braindead.

>>722984479
bugs were hustling to buy indulgences so it's more like the 16th century catholic church than all of christianity or religion. it's just a corrupt institution

>>722984875
Accurate.
Anyone willing to play this flash tier slop of a game is braindead anyway.

>ACKSHUALLY a prosperous place of worship before it got corrupted
yawn. This has been done like 200+ times in video games even before the year 2008.
Don't edgelord faggots ever get tired of it?

>>722984875
I know what allegory is, this game isn't an allegory. You just see fictional church bad and think people are saying real world church bad. You just have a persecution complex.

>>722975226 (OP)
The correlation between people who think silksong is too hard and brown "christians" is almost 1.

>>722985176
>You just see fictional church bad and think people are saying real world church bad.
When it carries all the aesthetics and hallmarks of a Christian church, yes.
>this game isn't an allegory, because the church is FICTIONAL
I'm still not convinced you understand the concept.

>>722975226 (OP)
Post THE webm.

>>722985343
Do you even know the plot or lore of the game? How do you know it's an allegory beyond your surface level observations?

>>722983827
Fucking zased yumenikkitransgod btfo all christchuds over here

>>722985489
>How do you know it's an allegory beyond your surface level observations?
Because throughout the game is the theme of innocent people being controlled, kept in line and exploited by a very Christian-coded religion headquartered in a very Christian-coded building. Substituting in bugs and a few other lore differences doesn't change this.
>Do you even know the plot or lore of the game?
99% of it. Enough to be confident.

>>722975226 (OP)
God's kingdom isn't found in a wooden house faggot. Read the Bible.

>>722985836
what branch of christianity has churches like this? it looks slightly islamic if anything with all the domes

>>722975226 (OP)
>First game's story is a ripoff of Dark Souls 1
"Shit. What do we do now?"
"Wait, I have an inspired idead"
>CHURCH LE BAD

Not a christfag or catholic or whatever I just think that's funny. Writing is not their strong suit.

>>722986041
Why is the edgy faggot who makes these flash games allergic to colour?
Every one of these games looks like boring, black and grey and bloom visual diarrhea.

>>722986041
You're still stuck on the idea that it needs to be a literal Christian Church. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ALLEGORY.
And even then, you have a massive pipe organ, choral (derived from choir) chambers, an automated confessional, the various highly Christian recordings you can listen to in the vaults. They very concept of sin and punishment for sin is highly linked to Christianity, although other Abrahamic religions feature it too. And maybe it's supposed to evoke Abrahamic religions in general but it's evoking Christianity most of all.

>>722986412
Not everywhere looks like that, but they definitely overdo it with the visual effects.

>>722983192
If i gave away everything i owned i wouldn't be able to continue helping those in need.

Oh...

>>722987534
ugly fucking game with a color palette of exactly two colors.

>>722983607
I hate that climb to the surface has you do the same type of jump like 20 times in a row. It's not particularly difficult or interesting either.

Cheaply made slop game for broke ass teenagers with no taste in quality to waste time on.

>>722988008
Still not going to buy whatever AAA cringefest you are shilling at other points of the day.

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