Thread 722977465

UK gov fobs off a 10,000-strong request to stop payment processors nuking NSFW Steam games

>Furore erupted a couple of months ago when Valve confirmed that payment processors had pressured it to stop selling a number of adult games.
>Angry Steam users, and people who weren't keen on payment processors deciding what adults are allowed to buy more generally, began hammering customer service lines with complaints and enlisting others to do the same.
>A request on the official UK parliament petition website to "Ban payment processors stopping services based on objections to legal content", has earned enough signatures to warrant an official government response.
>And the government says: "Payment processors are able to choose who they process payments for, subject to any relevant requirements"
>"The Government has no plans to intervene in those commercial decisions."
>"The Government is committed to ensuring that the UK’s payment system works for all, allowing businesses and customers to transact with confidence".
>The best you can hope for, says the British state, is that its ambitions to continue building up Open Banking meet success.
>Open Banking is the name given to the system whereby you can share your financial info with trusted third parties and the government boasts it "enables consumers to make purchases using a wider range of payment methods, including account-to-account payments".
>"Decisions regarding which businesses payment processors contract with are a commercial matter, taking into account the relevant requirements on the firm, and the Government has no plans to intervene in those commercial decisions."
>One might note, here, that the British government was more than happy to intervene in the intricate workings of the free market with the Online Safety Act, which locked UK citizens' access to adult materials behind age verification checks that have already been subject to a data breach.

https://archive.is/SqsBj

>>722977465 (OP)
>"Payment processors are able to choose who they process payments for, subject to any relevant requirements"
so I can refuse service to niggers and fags and the state isn't going to care?

>>722977465 (OP)
as expected of a nanny state like the UK
freedom for foreign payment processors but not for normal citizens

on one hand, censorship is bad
on the other hand, there's too many trashy games on steam (porn or otherwise), a culling is needed

>>722979970
I don't know shit, is there a running fee for hosting a game on Steam? Wouldn't that alone kill the shit games?

>fobs off
why do british people have such stupid words

>>722979970
Valve alone is responsible for the state of steam market. They are too lazy and greedy to hire 1 or 2 guys to review games despite having infinite money.

>>722980194
afaik it's already 100 euro to upload one game

>>722977627
Rules are for goyim, you filthy cattle.

>>722977627
This is what bothers me the most
>corporations have more rights than citizens

>>722980326
CAREFUL, ANON
SEVEN HELLS, I WILL NOT STAND BY AS YOU SLANDER HIS GRACE AND THE CROWN

>>722977465 (OP)
>trusted third parties
I initially read that as "trusted third worlders"

>>722977627
>so I can refuse service to niggers and fags and the state isn't going to care?
>subject to any relevant requirements
You can't read.

>>722977465 (OP)
Expecting anything from the UK government is hilarious. It's a useless combination of Karen from HR and a severely demented grandpa, they don't do anything ever. Real leadership takes place in the EU or America and whichever flavour of lapdog you have will follow their master.

>>722977627
What are you, retard? What the fuck do you think
>subject to any relevant requirements
means? You still can't discriminate, that's a relevant requirement.

>>722977465 (OP)
Based UK government, I don't get why some people hate them.

>>722980326
frfr no cap bruh shit's cray cray

>>722980629
same thing

>>722980834
>>722980667
I'm not discriminating, I just don't want to. Just like visa.

>>722980869
That's because you share the same evil dna that the uk government has.

>>722977465 (OP)
the holocaust didn't happen but it should have, simple as

>>722977465 (OP)
How about not using a CC and paying with your debit card, or PayPal, gift card etc.? If CC companies are trying to censor what adult customers can buy it's very easy to cancel the card and give this reason, at least outside of the US. That's the only way to make these companies hurt.

>>722980750
uk = ultra karens

>>722977465 (OP)
>>722980750
This is their current cabinet. It's literally 2/3s woman. What did you expect? Woman are useless as politicians.

>>722977465 (OP)
>ZOG defends jewish tyranny
Shocking

>>722979970


First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

>>722982691
if that's the order of events, there won't be any "they" to "come for me"

>>722977627
>we refuse to sell to customer because of race religion etc
>company destroyed by lawyers
>refuse to allow potential partners onto your service for reasons that do not contravene your countries laws
>???
Are things so murky and unenforceable here that there is no sane solution? Unless the company is literally recorded saying "a game made by and featuring niggers? Denied!" then the space is so ambiguous that the only law left is "whatever we feel like allowing today".
>We just cant check and deliver every game to our store since we only have so many employees and x amount of bandwidth/storage space
Even if a clear pattern of bias, favouritism and market manipulation can be observed, can nothing be done?

>>722982691
No no
It's
>Then they came for the Jews
>And I did not speak out
>Because I was not a Jew
>And then everything was fucking awesome again because there weren't Jews shitting up everything, so people were pretty content and everyone lived happily ever after

>>722981469
I don't know about your country, but here the banks use Visa and MC for debit cards

People need to die. This era will be remembered as a holocaust for artistic freedom, the censors must be slaughtered.

>>722977465 (OP)
>One might note, here, that the British government was more than happy to intervene in the intricate workings of the free market with the Online Safety Act, which locked UK citizens' access to adult materials behind age verification checks
doesn't affect the free market aspect.
>that have already been subject to a data breach.
irrelevant
payment processors are convenience providers and don't need to be forced to deal with anyone. they can set their own conditions for contracts of business.
if steam wanted to sell you NSFW content, they could offer their own terms for completing the transaction. this payment processor policy stops convenient sales, it doesn't stop from all sales totally. you could put some cash in an envelope and send it to steam, but they don't want think the inconvenience is worth it,s o they won't accept it.

>>722979970
it isn't censorship

>>722981859
>merely being racist is considered terrorism now
ecks dee

>>722983528
It is literally exactly censorship.
>>722983486
>Blah blah blah blah
Why do you hate freedom? The payment processors are censoring so they need to either be slaughtered like cattle and replaced, or forced to stop censoring so the free market can actually be free.

We need paying by XMR to be a thing and fast.

>>722981156
yes under UK law, you can refuse any offer of commerce if you a vendor. you would have an issue if people could prove you were discriminating against people based on certain aspects but that would not force you to sell to anyone. in any shop in any form you can refuse an offer to buy from a potential customer and need not give a reason for the refusal.

>>722983659
if spotify doesn't accept a song from a band, is it censorship?

>>722983709
Yes. Why wouldnt it be?

Who the fuck actually pays for porn? Do people here actually have the name on their CC tied to porn games?

>>722983709
It's censorship if Spotify becomes the only way to listen to music. As long as you can get the song elsewhere with relative ease, then it doesn't matter what Spotify does.

>>722977627
BAKE
THE
CAKE

>>722984380
>bake cake
>as revenge, spit and jizz on it
>they come back asking for another because it was so good

left, right
The agenda of censorship and surveillance continues

>>722980834
so many porn games have gay stuff in them, can they claim lbgtbqcf discrimination then?

Could the Americans please come and depose this government? Thanks in advance.

>>722977627
>I can refuse service
Are you a payment processor?

>>722980939
Don'tcha know that black people were in England all along, so that shit's England's fault too.

>>722983817
>with relative ease
You cannot avoid using Visa/Mastercard in the Western world, period. They have total and utter control over all digital transactions everywhere.

The UK government was never going to be the one to stop the overreach of power by foreign corporations and payment processors. They've already sold out the country's right to privacy and civil liberties to 50 different ID verification services hosted all over the world with varying levels of data security practices. They are quite possibly the most tech illiterate government in the entire northern hemisphere.

>>722980834
The point is that it's a cop-out excuse to not deal with something when the obvious answer is "then update the fucking requirements."

>>722980194
There is a one time payment of either 100 bucks ro 200 bucks (forget which) to get the game onto Steam, nothing more.

On one hand I don't play porn games on steam.
Also isn't the UK trying to stop Kids from accessing pornography? This sounds like they are just trying to destroy all pornography outright.

>>722977627
Anon please you must understand, they only act benevolent when you were going to do what they were going to tell you to do anyway.

>>722987721
No one actually believes that it's about kids or even porn right? No one is that naive, right?

Remember when you guys were vehemently against porn games because they were degeneracy lol

>>722987823
I remember when election tourists were sure. Actual /v/ has always loved H-games.

>>722987721
Every single time you see the excuse of "to protect the kids" in anything ever it just means that they either want more control over people or that they want to remove something, the kids excuse is just there to make idiots think it is a good thing.

>>722981283
against muslims

>>722987721
They want trans people to show pornography in school for education instead.

>>722987369
Yep - I forgot to mention that somehow. Hopefully an actual cryptocurrency and / or non-western payment processors become more widespread and accessible.

>>722991937
The UK has been pushing a shitload of anti-trans laws that make Trump's administration look like California.

>>722987815
Kids and horny teenagers are the ones who know how to use VPNs while the boomers making these laws haven't got a clue. Not only that, kids in the UK especially are losing their virginities, smoking, drinking, and doing all sorts well before they hit 16. It's completely normal. I worry for the next generation who'll be bullied relentlessly for being sheltered.

If the issue is free market, then the most basic issue is to allow a buyer and a seller to consummate a transaction for legal products that both agree upon. If you have a company that, in the name of free market, prevents the most basic free market procedure, then you have a little problem there that needs to be solved.

>>722977465 (OP)
>Open Banking is the name given to the system whereby you can share your financial info with trusted third parties and the government boasts

>>722977465 (OP)
UK doesn't have a government, they also ignored a 2.7million person petition for no digital ID, they made their choice.

>>722992576
They were heavily pro-trans and there are still the same people in power. It feels like they are preparing for a war and see trans and gay people as very poor combatants.