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Anonymous No.722988605 >>722988735 >>722988913 >>722989078 >>722989278 >>722989357 >>722989502 >>722989518 >>722989615 >>722989687 >>722989695 >>722990980 >>722991190 >>722991252 >>722991907 >>722991909 >>722992975 >>722993443 >>722993958 >>722994174 >>722994494 >>722994869 >>722995094 >>722996212 >>722996528 >>722996745 >>722996858 >>722997081 >>722997820 >>722997848 >>723003752 >>723010546 >>723013669
What killed arcade racing games?
Anonymous No.722988658
killed how?
Anonymous No.722988691 >>722989695 >>722996340 >>722998910
The same thing that's killing everything else

open world
Anonymous No.722988735
>>722988605 (OP)
People refused to buy them or pretended they didn't exist.
Anonymous No.722988764 >>722988816 >>722988950 >>722989495 >>722991706 >>723004513 >>723006983
grid 1 is trash
Anonymous No.722988816
>>722988764
better than any other entry in the series
Anonymous No.722988913 >>722990142 >>722993510
>>722988605 (OP)
Arcade vs sim is like western action vs Japanese. Sims are just more complex and interesting. Instead of leveraging their creative freedom and making mechanically complex fictional racing games they made simcades which are just shitty sim games.
Anonymous No.722988950 >>722991758
>>722988764
C*demasters project lead hands typed this message
Anonymous No.722989078
>>722988605 (OP)
>guy wrecking goes faster than the guy who pushed him
KINO, KILL YOURSELF ISAAC NEWTON
Anonymous No.722989224
What car is that? At first I thought it was a W12 Nardo
I don't remember seeing it at all in my Grid playthroughs
Anonymous No.722989278
>>722988605 (OP)
There's no money in it so big companies don't bother. Almost everything we see these days is either mediocre or straight-up dead.
Anonymous No.722989357
>>722988605 (OP)
Is he ok?
Anonymous No.722989374 >>722994806
Oh no! It's Ravenwest!
Anonymous No.722989495
>>722988764
Fuck off, it's literally the peak of arcade track racing
Anonymous No.722989502
>>722988605 (OP)
Lack of innovation and high development. Also the general interest in arcade games fell off.
Anonymous No.722989518
>>722988605 (OP)
I laughed
Anonymous No.722989560
For the most part it was the move to 7th gen consoles and the focus on big, epic, cinema-like gaming experiences coupled with soaring development costs that killed off arcade racers. Motorstorm apocalypse (which in of itself has problems) was essentially the swansong of the big AAA arcade racing games mattering. These days indies carry the torch but most are doing the 16 bit era clone angle. Give it a few years and we'll be getting 5th gen racing clones and that is where the magic will happen.
Anonymous No.722989615
>>722988605 (OP)
i think pvp games consumed the target audience for them
like how the guys who used to grind arcade games to be ranked on the leaderboards switched to starcraft or gunz
the bing bing wahoo skillcels probably switched to counter strike
Anonymous No.722989687
>>722988605 (OP)
Sonic Crossworlds came out a few weeks ago.
Anonymous No.722989695
>>722988605 (OP)
>>722988691
The same thing that's killing everything else

dumb AI
Anonymous No.722989814 >>722990072 >>723009564
Anonymous No.722990072 >>722990183
>>722989814
I remember starting the game while being logged into Xbox because of gamepass, starting the game and some fucking uppity hipster teen calling me by real name.
Absolutely disgusting. This boarder should never be crossed.
Especially not in that context I despise.
Anonymous No.722990142 >>722990276 >>722992975
>>722988913
There's not a single sim with an interesting career mode unless you count gran turismo
Anonymous No.722990183 >>722990297
>>722990072
Okay Dongus.
Anonymous No.722990210
Bro asukas sabaki also launches against lows?
Anonymous No.722990276 >>722990448 >>722990614 >>722992975
>>722990142
career mode in a simulator game is like asking for a career mode in a chess game
people playing sims don't care about anything other than how realistic it is to drive.
Anonymous No.722990297
>>722990183
Just because my name is Doongy doesn't mean my complain isn't valid
Anonymous No.722990448 >>722990535
>>722990276
I'm a huge simfag and i yearn for a good career mode, going zero to hero is always a good feeling, GT 4 is remembered as one of the greatest sims of all time for a reason
Anonymous No.722990535 >>722997756
>>722990448
gran turismo is a simcade though
Anonymous No.722990614
>>722990276
aimlessly doing things in games was fun when I was a kid but I generally like to have context for what I'm doing
Anonymous No.722990716 >>722990790 >>722993215 >>722993321 >>722997756 >>723003423
Let's be real, traditional car culture that attracted you and me is dead. It used to be that every single kid in school wanted to have old-school cars with neons, spoilers and all the jazz, back when Underground 2 and Most Wanted were peak. Eventually these people grew up and stuck to normal cars (economy am I right haha), and anyone that still cared about car culture more probably switched to sim racing.
I don't know anyone's kids to have as much interest in cars as we had ~15 years ago. Nobody cares about tuning, culture, or whatnot. The closest things we still have to the traditional car culture is the drift scene. Even Rally and Motorsport are fairly mild compared to the lawless chaos that was back in the day, and the entire "illegal" street scene is dead, and most sane people that grew up from that sort of self-consciously realized that we don't actually want that to be a thing. I love racing ever since I was a kid, but God forbid I am inticed to ever do any form of street racing.
Most kids nowdays focus on Minecraft, Fortnite and LoL, and are no longer in the rough scenarios we were put up to as kids, and there's no longer a drive to be "cool" or "badass". Not sure if that originates more from parents or schools, but the general attraction of the "underground" stuff has died down. Racing games (and other genres, mind you) made you feel "cool" in a lawless world, now everything has to be "legal" and "friendly".
Anonymous No.722990790 >>722991119
>>722990716
This post reads like you think the only arcade racer ever made was Underground 2
Anonymous No.722990980 >>722991338 >>722998549 >>723009627
>>722988605 (OP)
8th gen killed them
Anonymous No.722991048
forza horizon is still doing good
to be honest car culture kinda died with electric cars
Anonymous No.722991119 >>722993215
>>722990790
As far as real car brands go, pretty much the only relevant series yeah. Nobody that I knew personally ever cared about Midnight Racers, Blur, Street Racing Syndicate, or whatever else I can't name off the top of my head. And even when I played those, I ended up jumping ship myself after a couple of races.
The only one that felt more relevant was Flatout, but that's still around so does it even count for the whole premise of OP's post?
Anonymous No.722991190
>>722988605 (OP)
Graphics slowing down over time, allowing franchise to accumulate 500+ decade-old car models that still look good.
Any new arcade racer will have to compete with Forza Horizon, and most people will pick the game with 600 card over the game with 50 cars.
Anonymous No.722991252
>>722988605 (OP)

Burnout 3 did
Literally no better game was made since
Anonymous No.722991338 >>722998609
>>722990980
>outrun 2006
Did that even have a 7th gen release? It came out on ps2 and iirc the outrun 2 xbl version is for the huegbox.
Anonymous No.722991602 >>722993215
The video game industry becoming a cesspool of coca cola suitniggers
Anonymous No.722991706
>>722988764
I think it's overrated but, no, it's not garbage.
Anonymous No.722991758 >>722994624
>>722988950
why are so many of their games gone forever
Anonymous No.722991907
>>722988605 (OP)
toyota
Anonymous No.722991909 >>723004780
>>722988605 (OP)
competitive online modes
Anonymous No.722992529 >>722992815 >>722993307
Zoomers and normalfags who only care about muh realism simshit or bing bing wahoo kartfaggotry, no inbetween
Anonymous No.722992815 >>722993242
>>722992529
Which is why need for speed spent 25 years as the biggest racing franchise on the planet.
Anonymous No.722992975 >>722993105 >>723004987
>>722988605 (OP)
Arcade racing are dead? What do you mean just look at iRenting! The GT3 cars slide around like they're on ice, like you're playing Crash Team Racing
>>722990142
Sadly, the devs do this because most CEOs think like this guy >>722990276, And once again, I'm going to shill Project Motorsport because I hope they actually do alright with their career mode. People forget that career mode is actually a more fun set of training wheels than whatever sim racing """school"" is out there. Sure, those schools might give better results but do you really need to pay people and go through a whole racing curriculum just to play a video game where you're probably just setting hot laps and moving on? Not everyone wants to be Max Verstappen's co-driver, lol
Anonymous No.722993105 >>722993965
>>722992975
> iRenting!
The only people who call it that are those who get filtered by realism.
Anonymous No.722993215
>>722990716 >>722991119 is right and the only correct and explicit answer here. There are no more proper racing games because car culture in general completely vanished from the collective society's conscience. Back in the 2000s, even the most uninterested normies could tell you a thing or two about cars, based off their varying degree of exposure to car related content (either from video games, magazines, commercials, TV and other media). Back then, automotive shit was just being pushed abundantly, which almost made it seem like an universal interest which both casuals and hardcores could get into, on a larger scale (like sports for example). So that was good enough leverage for all sorts of dev studios to pump out games based on this premise, and still find a solid playerbase (not entirely comprised of just enthusiasts). You could ask any normie that was a teen back then, about these games, and he'll most likely bring up having fond memories of the time he spent on a NFS or a GT, or maybe even Midnight Club.

But with time, that sentiment sort of faded away. Car shit is not being marketed anymore, it's not cool anymore, it's only the enthusiasts left with the lingering passion from years ago.
And all of this segues perfectly into what >>722991602 mentioned. The shift in the mindset behind the gaming industry. Being almost exclusively money driven and corporatised. Less interested people = less chance of purchases = no reason to pump money into such a project. It's just a very unfortunate chain of events which led to this.
Anonymous No.722993242 >>722993319 >>722993484 >>722994573
>>722992815
nfs is simcade, zoomie
Anonymous No.722993307
>>722992529
They weren't creative enough to make anything in-between. Why am I still driving real cars on realistic roads but with cartoon physics, that's not in-between it's just a watered down sim. Mario kart is shit but it points to an infinite possibility space for potential racing games yet all we get is sim, sim lite and reskinned baby kart
Anonymous No.722993319
>>722993242
no?
Anonymous No.722993321 >>722995204
>>722990716
The culture part is 100% correct, but it gets worse

The problem with racing games is that it became a game of just filling up an upgrade bar to min max a car. Nothing else mattered. Because of this 99% of the cars in a racing game are pointless and once you fill up you upgrade meter that was it. Devs have done nothing with the genre. To make it worse, AI advancements are not being used for opponents. You will never get a good race because of this.

Gaming culture is all about min maxxing now and racing is a genre that really does not work well in this regard because we have a progress bar. In real life you have to test and feel. In a game it is a bar. This makes progression in racing games boring.
Anonymous No.722993324 >>722993425 >>722993687
I played Ballistic NG for the first time and highly recommend it. In my opinion, arcade games need solid physics, and Ballistic NG has that. It's not realistic, after all, you're driving anti-gravity cars, but you have functional physics that you need to learn to deal with in order to drive the vehicles better and better, and that's what matters.
Many recent arcade games I've played can't even offer this most basic part of the experience. And it doesn't help that there are a lot of indies who have no real interest in more traditional racing games, but grew up playing Mario Kart, or F-Zero GX, or other Nintendo brands, and think that the focus of games should be the gimmick.
I've played a couple of demos recently that are 100% gimmick-based, with physics taking a back seat. These games are more suited to autistic speedrunners who like to memorize commands.
Anonymous No.722993425 >>722993605
>>722993324
Anonymous No.722993443
>>722988605 (OP)
What the fuck are you talking about? Most of the ones made are arcade racers, where the cars are built like indestructible bricks.
Anonymous No.722993484
>>722993242
NFS only started with underground amirite?
Anonymous No.722993510 >>722993979
>>722988913
>Arcade vs sim is like western action vs Japanese
I think you got that backwards. Jap shit is always simplistic and childish.
Anonymous No.722993523 >>722993708
racing games suck because you're all fucking garbage at driving and need 9999999999 fucking assists to even get around the track, you need a 999999 hour fully voiced story with waifus to even pay attention to the game, and it needs to be playable by a blind man with a gamepad
people who like cars and driving just play whatever is fun for them and don't cope or seethe about the state of the genre because they're not being directly catered to

just get good, it's that easy
Anonymous No.722993605 >>722993869 >>723005102
>>722993425
To be honest, I never understood Wipeout-style games. They seemed impossible to me. But with Ballistic NG, I'm slowly getting used and really enjoying them. I'm even going to emulate the old Wipeout games as soon as I have time.
Anonymous No.722993687
>>722993324
What doesn't help is tendies fucking hate physics in their racing games, they say it's imprecise and floaty if the vehicle doesn't move like a twitchy platformer. Then they say the absence of physics is actually superior physics.
Anonymous No.722993708 >>722993964
>>722993523
I already got good.
Anonymous No.722993869
>>722993605
the harsh collisions in wipeout always turned me off because it doesn't make physical sense. like yes you should slow down but not that much, you're doing like 600 mph. i much preferred f-zero's way of doing it where a slight tap isn't too bad but if you hit the wall hard you get pinballed and lose a ton of momentum.
Anonymous No.722993958
>>722988605 (OP)
they lost to protagonists with legs
who would willingly pick the wheelchair option but cucks?
Anonymous No.722993964 >>722994042
>>722993708
>not using a negcon

you didn't beat the game
Anonymous No.722993965
>>722993105
Should've called it iSkating
Anonymous No.722993979 >>722996318
>>722993510
Yes, spamming the same button over and over then reacting to rhythm game prompts in bamham is so much better than monster hunter, DMC, street fighter or souls. I love spamming brain-dead auto combos in god of war, automating everything to make you look cool is such good design, it's so mature because the character models are realistic. A mystery why it died out in every genre and was replaced by Japanese shit that was more granular. A mystery why people get bored with arcade racers and not sims.
Anonymous No.722994042 >>722994246
>>722993964
Not only was that emulating a negcon, I physically own one too.
Anonymous No.722994174 >>722994261 >>722994341 >>722994434 >>722994539 >>723004683
>>722988605 (OP)
Racing games all have the same fatal flaw: one little mistake and you get pushed back to last place. There's no dopamine reward for slowly improving. Even getting only 2nd place makes me feel like shit too.
Anonymous No.722994246 >>722994320
>>722994042
>emulating a negcon
gross

if you can get a psx to usb adapter, vivanonno supports the negcon and you can play RR2 and rave racer with it
Anonymous No.722994261 >>722994595
>>722994174
You mean it isn't a genre for those suffering from ADHD?
Anonymous No.722994320
>>722994246
aha you're too slow!
Anonymous No.722994341 >>722994595
>>722994174
>Videogames all have the same fatal flaw, I can lose
>They have to get rid of lose conditions because I feel like shit when I don't win
>Gib me my DOPAMINE
Blizzard got you covered retard bro.
Anonymous No.722994434 >>722994595 >>722996319
>>722994174
>Racing games all have the same fatal flaw: one little mistake and you get pushed back to last place
then don't make mistakes, shitter. this isn't dark souls, there's no estus flask to save you and no bonfire to respawn at.
you lose, you just weren't good enough.
Anonymous No.722994449
Well, you just have an extremely limited genre. Any game that gets a brand's cars can't have actual big damage physics simulation. Lots of games don't allow a whole bunch of tuning/body kit customization. And the games that people gravitate to have absolute fucking retards that can't drive to begin with so there's rarely ever any clean racing. And when you've got no destruction, what the fuck else are you going to do except clean racing?
Anonymous No.722994494
>>722988605 (OP)
It's a "solved" genre and car culture is weaker than it ever has been
Anonymous No.722994539 >>722994595
>>722994174
>There's no dopamine reward for slowly improving
What is time attack?
Anonymous No.722994573 >>722994705 >>722994779
>>722993242
No it's not lmao there was that ONE where they tried that Prostreet I think?
Anonymous No.722994595 >>722994779 >>722995004
>>722994261
>>722994341
>>722994434
>>722994539
All valid points but not relevant to OP's question.
Anonymous No.722994624
>>722991758
proably because codemasters is one of the oldest and most mismanaged vidya company I've seen
that somehow still alive
Anonymous No.722994705 >>722994786
>>722994573
3 actually: prostreet, shift, and shift 2
Anonymous No.722994779
>>722994573
Go play old NFS lil bro
>>722994595
I mean, it's a complex issue but I guess it's because studios don't really want to experiment with art styles, since the way a game looks sets expectations for how it should be played
Anonymous No.722994786
>>722994705
TIL shift 2 exists what in the actual fuck
Anonymous No.722994806
>>722989374
i HATE RAVENWEST
Anonymous No.722994869 >>722994926
>>722988605 (OP)
>EA got rid of Burnout, but kept Need for Speed.

I get it's down to sales numbers, but it's still painful that the more unique franchise had to die.
Anonymous No.722994926
>>722994869
NFS is dead too now.
Anonymous No.722995004 >>722995490
>>722994595
arcade racing games never actually existed
even outrun was considered a simulator at the time of it's release. daytona usa features tire wear and crash damage that affects performance as well as having mandatory pit stops.
racing games are all simulators. the types of vehicles they simulate are not always real, and sometimes the simulation is tweaked in order to be fun rather than realistic, but basically the truth is that a car that doesn't behave like an actual car (or rocket hover sled or go kart or whatever) isn't fun to operate. everything needs to, on some level, simulate the physics of the actual machine you're driving, because its nuances and interaction with the environment and other cars are what actually make the game fun.
racing as a sport is kind of a golden game, whereas a soccer or hockey video game is sort of a representation of the real sport, played in a way that is completely unrealistic and impossible where one person controls the entire team like a god, a racing game is still identical to the actual sport of racing, just in virtual form.
Anonymous No.722995094
>>722988605 (OP)
The automotive industry is the worst it's ever been, economy is in the shitter and getting wores, as a result zoomers either don't care for car culture or cant' afford it.
Anonymous No.722995204
>>722993321
You don't install a sport exhaust instead of a racing one because it's cool, but because you don't have the money. If there is no drawback to a better component (the car becomes harder to drive) there's no point in not buying it. And if I want a car that drifts really well, the setup should be precise to allow you to make these small microcorrections when sideways, otherwise you can just slap drift tyres and become the Drift King, which appeals to the normies but not to the enthusiasts. The normies eventually leave though because they're bored but don't want to put in the effort to try harder games. At that point it becomes a simcade.
Anonymous No.722995490
>>722995004
mario kart is my fav sim racing game
Anonymous No.722996158
posting in the racist thread
https://youtu.be/zZR2S6iC_nk?t=24
Anonymous No.722996212 >>722996271
>>722988605 (OP)
Tokyo Xtreme Racer just came out
Anonymous No.722996271
>>722996212
konichiwa, turn left desu ne
Anonymous No.722996318
>>722993979
assblasted weeb detected
Anonymous No.722996319
>>722994434
>"shitter"
ESL
Anonymous No.722996340 >>722996385
>>722988691
open world racing games were a thing since the 1990s
Anonymous No.722996385 >>722996452
>>722996340
Cite some examples.
Anonymous No.722996452
>>722996385
Midtown Madness
Driver
Test Drive
Anonymous No.722996528
>>722988605 (OP)
i could just load up gta or roblox to race arcadey
Anonymous No.722996745
>>722988605 (OP)
Every publisher, racing gamer and their grandma suddenly wanted their products to be sim racing. Games like flat out, carmageddon went out of spotlight so nothing good ever gets released there, apart from soulless remakes
Anonymous No.722996858
>>722988605 (OP)
For AAA there's never anything unique and you really need that with arcade racers. For indie it's mostly drifting focused or mario kart and controlling the vehicles doesn't feel good
Anonymous No.722997081
>>722988605 (OP)
1st place or bust mechanics had a lot of toxic emerging effects on the entire sub-genre
Anonymous No.722997232 >>722997329
Pic related killed racing games. Why buy a dedicated game for racing when you could just do it on your nigger simulator?
Anonymous No.722997329 >>722997456
>>722997232
Nobody plays V for it's racing, it has the worst driving physics in all of GTA.
Anonymous No.722997456 >>722998168 >>722998263
>>722997329
Normies do, and they are the main market for arcade racing games, it doesn't need to be good as long as you can drive some stupid car around
Anonymous No.722997756
>>722990535
missing the point. A well-made career mode gives a player a sense of progression, and always navigates them in the direction of something to do. I'm personally more fond of GT5 and 6 "career modes" because they do away with the licensure nonsense.
>>722990716
I think this might be why, despite pouring hundreds of hours of my childhood and teenaged years into basically every GT title and numerous other racing games, I didnt turn out to be much of a "car guy" other than the fondness I have for my first car because it was somewhat rare in my country. Also, spectating real motorsports is infinitely more lame than playing the video game of it.
Anonymous No.722997820
>>722988605 (OP)
Current lack of eurobeat
Anonymous No.722997848
>>722988605 (OP)
Incompetent developers.
Anonymous No.722998168
>>722997456
No they don't, V hasn't been relevant in years and only has a dedicated demographic of autists who still play the game.
Anonymous No.722998263
>>722997456
And it even has customization
Anonymous No.722998549 >>722998609 >>723000050
>>722990980
Some of these games are abandon and you can get them for free on PC:

GRID:
https://archive.org/details/race-driver-grid.-7z

OutRun2006: Coast2Coast:
https://archive.org/details/out-run-2006-coast-2-coast.-7z

blur:
https://archive.org/details/blur.-7z_202506

Driver: San Francisco:
https://archive.org/details/driver-san-francisco.-7z

Sega Rally Revo:
https://archive.org/details/sega-rally-revo.-7z_202506

Test Drive Unlimited:
https://archive.org/details/test-drive-unlimited.-7z_202506

Test Drive Unlimited 2:
https://archive.org/details/test-drive-unlimited-2.7z
Anonymous No.722998609 >>722999467
>>722991338
You can get it on PC for free here >>722998549
Anonymous No.722998910 >>722999010
>>722988691
nfsu, carbon, and most wanted are considered some of the best arcade racers and they're all open world.
Anonymous No.722999010
>>722998910
That was before it started seeping into other games.
Anonymous No.722999467
>>722998609
I know and that wasn't the question. Protip: you're not hiding the UI on the console versions.
Anonymous No.723000050 >>723000665
>>722998549
>you can get them for free
You can, but if you can pay, donate a tenner to archive.org when getting big files from them.
Anonymous No.723000094 >>723000618
Nothing. Fanbase is just full of doomers and nostalgiafaga who can't fathom something different than the most wanted burnout turismo 3 they played when they were 14. There's occasional high quality AAA racing games supplemented by plenty of indies.
Anonymous No.723000618 >>723001429
>>723000094
>supplemented by plenty of indies.
what was the last time an indie that isn't a straight up clone of an older game had good physics?
Anonymous No.723000665
>>723000050
No.
Keep your money.
Let them campaign for money from millionaires and billionaires.
Anonymous No.723001429
>>723000618
Inertial drift.
Anonymous No.723003148
I spent last weekend doing time trials in Sonic Robo Blast 2 Kart and I'm looking forward to the new tracks/missions in Gran Turismo 7 coming in December. I'd say they're doing fine
Anonymous No.723003423
>>722990716
Truth. Car culture itself is dead because they pushed out all the men who knew how to design cool cars (except maybe supercars). Also everything is electronic so working on cars means you're a nerd now instead of a chad mechanic.
Anonymous No.723003752
>>722988605 (OP)
me
Anonymous No.723004286
Modern new cars are stupid expensive, homogenized, and increasingly unable to had fun with due to clogged roads and the state slowly chipping away at the freedom the provide.
Your only options for a fun attainable car nowadays are the miat, brz/86, ecoboom mustang, or spin the used car roulette wheel and hope you don't get raped too hard by a dealership, or buy a lemon from a private seller.
Anonymous No.723004513
>>722988764
I'll slit your throat irl
Anonymous No.723004683
>>722994174
even worse
you just hold down the gas pedal
fucking booring
Anonymous No.723004780
>>722991909
I HATE METASLAVES I HATE METASLAVES I HATE METASLAVES I HATE METASLAVES
Anonymous No.723004923
for me, its landscape scrollers
Anonymous No.723004987
>>722992975
>Sadly, the devs do this because most CEOs think like this guy
>most CEOs
ceos aren't making decisions in a game
and everyone thinks that. why would they waste time building a career mode to satisfy the very few people who are too insecure to play online or too dopamine-dependent to need a roadmap of races to do?
simracing is for the autistic, not for the adhd
Anonymous No.723005102 >>723005837
>>722993605
It's just F-zero but without all that cool shit and high risk of reward element. The only thing Wipeout is 'better' at is making the vehicles feel floaty, everything in F-zero feels magnetic instead
Anonymous No.723005478 >>723009431
car culture is dying
noone cares for fun cars, as new ones are too expensive for zoomers, and emissions killed everything

so, who the fuck plays racing games?
there is no new tokyo drift for a reason
Anonymous No.723005837
>>723005102
if we are talking physics, wipeout is like wrc to f-zero's superkart- sure, both are racing, but they handle completely differently and have different priorities
from risk-reward standpoint, later wipeouts have a system that's just as if not more engaging than f-zero's- you can trade energy for speed via barrell rolls, you can forgo powerups to recover said energy, or you can use powerups to catch greedy opponents.
Anonymous No.723006983
>>722988764
they hated him because he told them the truth
Anonymous No.723007263 >>723007365 >>723010275 >>723013006
mega lolz
Anonymous No.723007365
>>723007263
subtle
Anonymous No.723007587
>only ONE post mentioning licensing garbage
Here's the real reason, car manufacturers have too much control over who and how they license the cars to with a ton of extra red tape attached, like you can't damage the car too much, you can't change the rims on this model, you can use this car for street racing and other such nonsense that restricts a scope of a game.
THIS killed arcade racers.
Now you an bring up the argument of making games with made up cars, but the reality of things is that the target audience simply will not buy such games.
Anonymous No.723008152 >>723009364
EVs completely killed cars.
Anonymous No.723009364 >>723009426
>>723008152
EVs are just a step. Self-driving will kill cars.
Anonymous No.723009426
>>723009364
we're primed for a FSD tuner autochess racing game
Anonymous No.723009431 >>723009680
>>723005478
>new ones are too expensive
Don't you guys have chinese cars for the price of peanuts?
We don't either. Taxes are out of control.
Anonymous No.723009564 >>723010275
>>722989814
cant wait to see the Horizon 6 edit
Anonymous No.723009627
>>722990980
GTI Club Supermini Festa on PSP was pretty fun, I like to come back to it from time to time.
Anonymous No.723009680
>>723009431
no, and they arent fun
owning an e36 coupe ruined post 2010 cars for me
Anonymous No.723010275 >>723013006
>>723009564
Just scratch the date again and put 2026.

>>723007263
luv it
Anonymous No.723010414
Anonymous No.723010546 >>723010847 >>723010962
>>722988605 (OP)
>What killed arcade racing games?
The CANCER that has been poisoning gaming for decades.
Anonymous No.723010847
>>723010546
Boreza Snorizon did way more damage than Gran Autismo
Anonymous No.723010962
>>723010546
gt is the only oldschool series with good games today. maybe they killed the competition by being so good?
Anonymous No.723013006
>>723007263
>>723010275
WHAT DID YOU DO

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2d2me0eljo
Anonymous No.723013561
Forza is outperforming every other game on ps5
Anonymous No.723013669
>>722988605 (OP)
Festival slop
Manufacturers that don't want their cars being damaged, or featured in illegal activities
Boring modern car design