Thread 722989101

How do we nerf the Sniper Rifle without making it complete shit?

>the weapon
bullet drop and travel time
>the player
make swapping weapons, moving around and aiming slower
>the map
don't know but you could probably do something with this too

Make it rare and expensive, situational and difficult to use.

Overpowered snipers is a map issue, not a weapon issue. Imagine if the next Playernite's BattleDuty game took place in the Mandrill Maze, shotguns would be the objectively best weapon there

what the fuck are these retarded suggestions. just nerf it so that it doesn't 1-tap people no matter what, including headshots.

>>722991242
Thats prime example of actually retarded suggestion.

>>722991395
>t.sniper rifle abuser

>>722991441
Its okay, dont be upset. I see you being abused by snipers, but thats not a valid point to make whole class or weapon useless.

>>722991242
>noooooo the weapon designed to be a long range, high risk high reward weapon should not have a high reward!!!!
ask me how I know you suck playing against snipers. go spout some more memes because you know you're wrong

>>722989101 (OP)
But it's not op.

>>722989101 (OP)
Simply not have it in the game.

>>722989101 (OP)
Drones

All they need to add is a laser showing where the sniper is aiming. It's literally that simple.

>>722989101 (OP)
Most shooter games already take place at extreme close range and the only reason snipers are viable is because the other weapons are intentionally made as shitty as possible. Make all weapons realistically accurate and deadly and problem solved.

>>722993315
Just turn it off

>>722993496
I mean thats a retarded idea if you want more detail. Because if you had a laser on your weapon that was revealing your position, you would be able to turn it off or remove it.

>>722993612
>Because if you had a laser on your weapon that was revealing your position, you would be able to turn it off or remove it.
The point is you can't turn it off you brain damaged faggot. Fucking christ you're dense.

>>722993665
Why can't you turn it off? That makes no sense buddy.

>>722993785
>That makes no sense buddy.
If you have crippling debilitating brain damage, sure.

>>722989101 (OP)
If you miss your shot, you have to go and pick up your bullet to fire again.

Make the other weapons just as lethal
Make maps where snipers can't inherently dominate
I've never played squad and went "man I would love a sniper rifle" since the normal rifles are good enough with an ACOG or some such equivalent

>>722993315
hardscopers are SEETHING

>>722993859
I think a game or any fictional thing must make sense internally within its own setting. Its just a game sure, but in a lot of games the weapons are supposed to work somewhat like their real-life counterpart. You have to reload, you get sway or recoil. None of that is necessary in game but a simulation of a mechanical effect. Having a laser pointer that could not be turned off does not make sense internally in a game resembling reality in other ways.

>>722992943
>high risk high reward
literally low risk, you plink at niggas from ranges they can't retaliate

theres like 9 billion answers to this

>>722994136
>Having a laser pointer that could not be turned off does not make sense internally in a game resembling reality in other ways.
Having a laser you can't switch off doesn't make sense. But being shot to death and then revived and then healing by standing near a box in the world of hiding is completely fine.
Got it.
Again, you are too fucking retarded for this discussion.

Easy
>sniper is a one hit kill weapon
>but has to deal with bullet drop and wind etc
Makes it high risk high reward. As for how to prevent people just taking the rifle and being shitty and no good for the team
>institute a credits/strikes system
>you start with 3 credits every match
>each missed shot deducts a credit, each hit adds one (team kills deduct 3 credits)
>credits decay at a rate of 1 per minute
>if you run out of credits you're banned from sniping for the rest of the match
There you go

>>722993912
Absolutely genius.
If you hit do you get the bullet back?

>>722994541
>sniper is a one hit kill weapon
retarded
>but has to deal with bullet drop and wind etc
how do you communicate wind without it being RNG?
>institute a credits/strikes system
>you start with 3 credits every match
>each missed shot deducts a credit, each hit adds one (team kills deduct 3 credits)
>credits decay at a rate of 1 per minute
>if you run out of credits you're banned from sniping for the rest of the match
retarded

>>722994302
Yes some thing will always have to be "gameified" such as respawning. Not everything can or should be absolutely realistic, eg if you got hit once and then could never play the game again it wouldn't be a great system. But with regard to the weapon itself, it makes no sense to have a permanently on laser. A glint from the scope would make sense as an example.

>>722994216
>they can't retaliate
then it's just bad game design, not snipers' fault. it's the same as if grenades had a global explosion range, then it's just shit balancing.
generally speaking snipers can be easily taken out from close range but it requires more brainpower than the average FPS player has

>>722989101 (OP)
Just make it really slow and cumbersome to use

>>722994610
What's retarded about a high power rifle doing lethal damage?
>how do you communicate wind without it being RNG?
A little hud element next to the credit counter that shows you wind speed and direction, like in a golf game.

>>722994541
What's the risk there? If you miss you're still on the other side of the map and most likely completely safe, the only risk is that now the target will be zigzagging

>>722994615
>Yes some thing will always have to be "gameified" such as respawning.
>Not everything can or should be absolutely realistic
Yeah, like weapon balance you fucking retard
>But with regard to the weapon itself, it makes no sense to have a permanently on laser.
Your argument is literally:
>Unrealistic shit I think is ok is ok
>Unrealistic shit you think is ok is not ok
Again, you are far too fucking brain damaged for this discussion.

>>722994718
>What's retarded about a high power rifle doing lethal damage?
Because it is completely one-sided gameplay.
>A little hud element next to the credit counter that shows you wind speed and direction, like in a golf game.
This is actually so embarrasingly fucking retarded. Thank god you will never have anything to do with game design.

In fact that's the solution. Make the sniper rifle work like a golf game; until you hit a target you have to 'play the shot where it lies ', ie. wherever your bullet lands you teleport to. Also each missed shot reduces the power of the bullet.

>>722994762
But then you lost a credit and if you miss again or take too long, you get the sniper kit/weapon removed and can't use it for the rest of the match.

>>722994835
Yes some unrealistic things are essential, otherwise the game is not playable at all, and some things are subjective, like "me not like sniper"

I don't think weapons should be balanced. A shotgun is more effective up close for example, thats the way it is and should be. A pistol will do less damage than a rifle. A sniper rifle is a high-powered long range weapon, its "balance" is that if you are looking down a sight all the time you might be unaware of someone coming up quietly behind you. If snipers are in the game, don't run out in the open. Bullet drop at long range should be included so there is more of an element of skill required on the sniper's part.

I've not been insulting you yet, but I feel like I could with justification.

>>722995164
Your argument is literally:
>Unrealistic shit I think is ok is ok
>Unrealistic shit you think is ok is not ok
There is no engaging with someone in this mindset. You are completely fucked in the brain. Your sub-zero IQ is astounding. I genuinely believe the reason it takes so long for you to respond is because you're struggling with the captcha.

>>722995286
ok bro

Randomise the zero on every sniper scope so the player has to properly zero the rifle before they can shoot accurately with it.

this is a question one can only take seriously if their default frame of reference is call of battlefield. you are all retarded

Give players a "block" move with a longish cooldown, lasts about half a second and which leaves them motionless for like a second or so after but if activated at the right time blocks any attacks in that half second.
(Timings can be adjusted for balance purposes)

>>722989101 (OP)
anyone in this thread ever plinked longrange irl or nah

In addition to the enemy players, the sniper role also gets additional enemies that only they can see, It Follows style. They come from the enemy spawn point and slowly travel to where the sniper is and if they reach him he dies.
Either he has to snipe those enemies as well (alerting the enemy to his presence) or he has to periodically change sniping spots so they can't catch up to him.

>>722989101 (OP)
All you have to do is put realistic bullet physics in the game and not use hitscan. This filters out 90% of legit players and cheaters from play-styles like sniping.

The only reason this was ever a problem is gaymers are retarded and get what they fucking deserve. They say realism=/=fun because they just don't understand what they want. They think they want ease and convenience but in every case this leads to rapid lack of interest, then the eventual total ruination of the game in question. They don't know what they want, they prove it on reddit, youtube, official forums, every place they're allowed to voice their criticisms, every chance they are given. They'll bitch about something nonstop while still sinking 8000 hours into the game, trying to get better at what they're bitching about. This is how you know your gameplay formula is successful. The moment you capitulate to them your game dies. You don't give the labrat the easy dopamine button, they'll just mash it til they get burnt out as quickly as humanly possible, there must always be a steep learning curb for high reward gameplay styles like sniping and making it realistic is the easiest, simplest way to do that.

>>722992943
>I'm putting it all at risk lying in spawn clicking dots!

if so much as a light breeze of damage hits a sniper it should flinch aggressively
im sick of putting 3 7.62 into a snipeniggers body only for them to flick over and shoot me with the same caliber (scoped) and kill me in one bodyshot

>>722999252
The sniper's barrel is longer so it would have more muzzle velocity

>>722989101 (OP)
>make few good sniping sightlines
>ensure the places with good sightlines are easily flanked
>add artillery/drone strikes that punish staying in one place but are easily avoided if you move
Staying in the same spot after an engagement should be incredibly risky, if not suicide.

>>722998905
>I'm going to go out in the open while a sniper picks us off
>I know exactly where he is but won't try to use cover to get closer where I have a huge advantage with my 30 round automatic assault rifle or whatever
Maybe you're just too retarded to play games with guns

Don't add sniper rifles in the first place and add DMRs instead, the weapon you'd realistically see in any scenario that most FPS matches portray.