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Anonymous No.722995280 >>722995749 >>722997154 >>722997274 >>722997565 >>722998842 >>723000167 >>723000445 >>723000462 >>723000830 >>723001252 >>723004312 >>723005873 >>723006504 >>723006765 >>723007173 >>723009613 >>723014258 >>723014521 >>723014767 >>723020927 >>723022597 >>723022604 >>723022741 >>723024192 >>723024703 >>723025520 >>723026867 >>723027073 >>723027076 >>723027535 >>723028271 >>723029643
ITT Instant refund mechanics
>this will surely sell our game
Anonymous No.722995749 >>722996069 >>722996347 >>722996428 >>722997274 >>722997347 >>722998383 >>722998501 >>722999862 >>723010874 >>723013809 >>723022884 >>723022961 >>723023404 >>723023884
>>722995280 (OP)
lol at being so autistic youd take this personally. A game that does this wants to show something about the protagonist, in-game. Not you personally IRL.
Anonymous No.722996069 >>722996239 >>723000424 >>723005987
>>722995749
What does this vid say about the protagonist?

https://youtu.be/h7rffeZQZ5s?si=rHdVCqDejnl-uumQ
Anonymous No.722996239 >>722998116
>>722996069
It says they're a fan of Breath of Fire 4
Anonymous No.722996347 >>722996775 >>723001795 >>723019203
>>722995749
same games are just characters angrily expressing their disdain towards your character, others are the "game" itself making meta commentary against you as a person and trying to pass judgement towards the player
>grrr, you slaughtered my children, i hate you! you're a bad person for the things you have done towards me, a person living in this world!
vs
>heh, you the player, yes you behind the screen, i'm talking to you, you're bad you know that? yeah, thought i didn't know, but i know, i am the character representing the game as a whole and am so smart *sharts smugly*
can you tell the difference between the two? the average low IQ /v/ user cannot
Anonymous No.722996428
>>722995749
You're genuinely a brainlet if you think that.
Anonymous No.722996775
>>722996347
This is the same board that can't tell the difference between a character holding an ideology because it's in-character for them, and the narrative at large trying to push an ideology on you.
Anonymous No.722997154 >>722997239 >>722997337 >>722998572 >>723000210 >>723001376
>>722995280 (OP)
>literally trying to kill you
>killed multiple children
>fucking annoying skeleton dude
I never got undertale at least spec ops had you kill innocents
Anonymous No.722997239
>>722997154
Undertale is just
>what if the monsters you killed in rpgs were people too?
That's it. That's all it is, it doesn't go any deeper than that
Anonymous No.722997274 >>722999796 >>723002237 >>723004990 >>723013461
>>722995280 (OP)
>SpecOpstheLine.png

>>722995749
Sorry, Spec Ops directly taunts the player.
Anonymous No.722997295 >>722997486 >>722999796 >>723013461
Reminds me of Spec Ops the Line.
You had braindead retards with shoe-size IQ going "hurr you had a choice" back then too.
Yeah, no shit. I also have the choice of never giving any devs like that any more money.
Anonymous No.722997337 >>722997419 >>723002754
>>722997154
Undertale has nothing to do with OP's post because it never forces you to kill anything.
Anonymous No.722997347 >>723000957 >>723007051
>>722995749
fuck off. if i didn't want to have any agency i would just watch a movie or read a book.
Anonymous No.722997419 >>722997474 >>723011172
>>722997337
But it scolds you for killing the scum invades tho
Anonymous No.722997474 >>722997582
>>722997419
They're not invading anything. They're in their territory and you walked there.
Anonymous No.722997486 >>722997713 >>723000091
>>722997295
To be fair the game wanted you to feel that it's bullshit, it mirrored Walker's denial of responsibility and hopefully led to the player still self-inserting even after they did The Bad Thing. Feeling personally attacked is silly though.
Anonymous No.722997565 >>722997791 >>723020250
>>722995280 (OP)
post five (5) games
Anonymous No.722997582 >>722997920
>>722997474
Their plan is to invade bwo
Anonymous No.722997657 >>722997763 >>722997789 >>723000169 >>723000903 >>723005847
spec ops: the line isn’t about how β€˜you are evil for killing characters in video games’
it’s pretty heavy-handed and didactic about about American military shooters and how they are war propaganda.
>ah, the game claims to be about how it’s bad to do war crimes, but it gives you no choice but to do war crimes
criticising something without considering the context in which it was made and received doesn't make sense. This game is about other games, it’s not a self-contained object. it’s making a commentary on the expectations and norms of a broader genre, so it has to incorporate those in order to effectively criticise them.
Anonymous No.722997713 >>722997807 >>723006198
>>722997486
The game personally attacks you. It directly shames the player for playing a military shooter.
Anonymous No.722997763
>>722997657
B-but cod producers told me their games aren't political.....
Anonymous No.722997789 >>722997898 >>722997995
>>722997657
It still shouldn't attack the player for playing it, which it does.
Anonymous No.722997791
>>722997565
Spec ops
FugaMelodies of Steel trilogy
Nier Automata
Anonymous No.722997807 >>722998217
>>722997713
It doesn't, no.
Anonymous No.722997898 >>722998467 >>723000713
>>722997789
Why not? Characters interacting with the reader and questioning them directly is common in every other medium. The Monster at the End of This Book can have the characters plead the reader to not keep reading and it is literally a book for 5 year olds. Are you dumber and less emotionally stable then a 5 year old?
Anonymous No.722997920 >>722998140
>>722997582
literally only Mettaton cares about what's in the human world you retard
Anonymous No.722997995
>>722997789
I thought it was more about the desensitization .
Anonymous No.722998116 >>722998375
>>722996239

Is it as pretentious as this? I might try it.
Anonymous No.722998140
>>722997920
Yeah, they just want to leave the shithole they were literally imprisoned in.
Anonymous No.722998217 >>722998405 >>722998514
>>722997807
Yes it does lol
>To kill for yourself is murder. To kill for your government is heroic. To kill for entertainment is harmless.
>If you were a better person, you wouldn't be here.
>The US military does not condone the killing of unarmed combatants. But this isn't real, so why should you care?
>You are still a good person.

These are all datamined directly. It taunts you as the PLAYER
Anonymous No.722998246
I never wanted to kill Andrew Ryan. Forgive me, Mr. Ryan. I respect and admire your entrepreneurial spirit. It wasn't my fault, I got Would You Kindly'd by some Jew in a disguise
Anonymous No.722998302 >>722998382 >>723013625
>Shoot guy
>His friend goes "YOU BASTARD"
>"wtf why is this game scolding me? i didn't choose to hurt anyone? don't they understand that I'm not the character in the screen and this is all fictional? what was I supposed to do, turn off the game right there? it was justified anyways, they were shooting at me first! i needed to do it to progress! i hate games that are mean to me I just wanna turn it off. fuck you."
did you perhaps come from an abusive household?
Anonymous No.722998375 >>722998554
>>722998116
no, it has a soul cannon that shoots curses though
Anonymous No.722998382 >>722998498 >>723025325
>>722998302
>buy military shooter
>devs speak directly to you during a load screen: "To kill for yourself is murder. To kill for your government is heroic. To kill for entertainment is harmless."
Directly attacking the player for buying/playing their game.
Anonymous No.722998383 >>723001143 >>723002237
>>722995749
Spec Ops directly addresses the player
Anonymous No.722998405 >>722998438 >>722998454
>>722998217
>game literally says you're still a good person
>"Wtf it's calling me a bad person!!!'
Anonymous No.722998438
>>722998405
It was sarcasm anon. They aren't calling you a good person.
Anonymous No.722998454
>>722998405
NTA but Context denial is retard-coded and bad bait. It's too obvious
Anonymous No.722998467
>>722997898
>do not turn the page
>turn the page and get rewarded with more story
Bravo, Kojima
Anonymous No.722998498
>>722998382
>To kill for entertainment is harmless
AN IMAGE OF WHAT?!
Anonymous No.722998501 >>723005046
>>722995749
The problem is that the only game that did this was Spec Ops: The Line. And while the interpretation of
>It's not about YOU, the PLAYER, doing these atrocities, it's about Captain Walker, the PROTAGONIST
is undeniably a noble one, it's just fucking wrong. Not only did the devs confirm they were out to shame the player, but
>inb4 muh death of the author
but if you pay attention to the loading screens - you'll realize the game is talking to you and only you. The player-shaming is built into the game. You can't deahtoftheauthor that shit away.
Anonymous No.722998514 >>722998617
>>722998217
Almost everything there is unironically true though. If the game is telling me that, it only reaffirms my status as a good person who didn't fall for the propaganda telling me to sign up and kill children for the government ~20 years ago. This is only shitting on the player if the player also happens to be a veteran of the war on terror, or some politician that caused it.
Anonymous No.722998554 >>722998630
>>722998375
Kinda lame. Does it mutilate the person like in Fugas at least ?
Anonymous No.722998569 >>722998608 >>723000279
>Game calls me a bad person oh no boohoo I will stop playing and cry
>/v/ calls me a faggot retard every day. I shall continue posting there for 10 years.
Anonymous No.722998572
>>722997154
Undertale was shit and it only got popular amongst low IQs and furries.
Anonymous No.722998608
>>722998569
Anonymous No.722998617 >>722999703
>>722998514
>This is only shitting on the player if the player also happens to be a veteran of the war on terror, or some politician that caused it.
No, it's mocking you for taking part in a simulation of true hell. It's calling your morality into question by contrasting those three ideas about killing. You're meant to consider the "harmlessness" of entertainment killing and think of it as closer in spirit to the first two kinds of killing. They're calling you a heroic murderer.
Anonymous No.722998630 >>722998685
>>722998554
The person that goes in is sacrificed, dead. It wasn't voluntary either, the army just dragged her in. They shot a God with it and it didn't kill him but it seriously wounded him then made the entire blast zone cursed and filled with mutant monsters.
Anonymous No.722998685 >>723023337
>>722998630
was it a quick death?
Anonymous No.722998842 >>722999476 >>723000864
>>722995280 (OP)
>Are you really crying about a dog while the Demon King is preparing his forces? Priorities dude
Anonymous No.722999476
>>722998842
lol
Anonymous No.722999703 >>723003935
>>722998617
I don't interpret it that way. I do think the idea is to make the player feel bad, but the purpose isn't simply to shame the player themselves for playing a video game, but rather to make them understand the moral gravity of war through a direct, interactive experience that only a video game can provide.
In other words, it's to re-sensitize you to killing and help you understand that your own government, and its own military, which is supposed to be fighting on your behalf, murdered civilians and laughed about it. The message is on a higher level than the game itself and the player, the game is just a vehicle to deliver that message.

If the message were simply "killing is bad even if its a video game" you get a shallow game like undertale for example.
Spec Ops is more about the war on terror, the message transcends the video game. The player is a participant in the tragedy, not because they pulled the trigger in the game, but because they stood by in real life while someone else pulled the trigger on their behalf. The player participated in a real-life society that committed those crimes against real people, most likely sleepwalked through it or didn't give a shit, and the game is supposed to wake you up and show you what's been happening.

The fact that other shooters were directly funded by the US military around that time only makes the message more apt. In that sense it can also be seen as a repudiation of propaganda, and anti-propaganda game in a propaganda-flooded genre.

TL;DR playing the game isn't the thing you're meant to be ashamed of, rather the game uses shame as a tool to draw your attention to the shameful things that are really happening around you.
Anonymous No.722999796 >>723000376 >>723013461 >>723029921
>>722997274
>>722997295
Stupid example because Spec Ops was targeting the CoD/Battlefield gamers who loved doing that shit, like No Russian, in their respective games. OP's image has the player actually not wanting to make the harmful choice, but is forced to by the game. A CoD-bro playing Specs Ops would be gleefully run & gunning the whole game, thinking the white phosphorous was badass when presented the option, without stopping to consider what they were actually doing. Spec Ops, from what I recall, didn't shame you, as much as hold up the mirror and make you look.
Anonymous No.722999862 >>723000474 >>723027409
>>722995749
This is genuinely a problem with every piece of media nowadays
Retarded midwits latch onto every single detail "duhh whats the message of this?" "hurr whats the theme?" "whats the politics behind this?" "herpderp is this game attacking me directly?" no you fucking mentally ill retard, 99% of media is just that, media, it's not saying anything whatsoever to you
Go read your dostoevsky and jerk off to your own farts
Anonymous No.723000091 >>723000529
>>722997486
Don't be a disingeneous faggot. The devs literally sperged on about how you always had a choice to stop playing.
Anonymous No.723000167 >>723001017 >>723001162
>>722995280 (OP)
>NieR.jpg
they literally made you kill an innocent dog and expect you to accept that you're a piece of shit.
Anonymous No.723000169
>>722997657
I was literally around when it did it and they thought they were so clever with the metanarrative crap.
Anonymous No.723000210 >>723000383
>>722997154
Undertale does it right. Sans never actually condemns you for killing anyone who threatens your life. He mentions that if you have a special power (save/reload) then you probably should do the right thing (hint towards best route) but he actually, ACTUALLY, is chill about all the murders, and correctly so, because the monsters did attack you. Sans only gets visibly angry when you kill his brother and if you pretend it was unavoidable, and that's because Papyrus is the only enemy in the game who is actually unable to kill you so his death can never be justified. Even Toriel can accidentally kill you but Papyrus will not. Sans will get mad that you kill him, but will shrug for everyone else.
Anonymous No.723000279
>>722998569
/v/ is free.
Imagine if you had to pay to do janny work. That's what the chomos defending spec ops are arguing for.
Anonymous No.723000376 >>723000767
>>722999796
>Spec Ops, from what I recall, didn't shame you
lmao it's the prime example of a preachy game that does, and the devs smarmy reply was to claim you could put down the game at any time and not take part.
Never seemd to dawn on them that the same goes for paying cunts like them $60 for it.
Anonymous No.723000383 >>723001287
>>723000210
I don't think it's that deep, I think toby just wanted the strongest guy in the game to be chill all the time but get mad once and power up, because it's a common trope and the whole game is a ball of stuff borrowed/stolen from other media he thought was cool.
Anonymous No.723000424 >>723001367
>>722996069
Are Tail Concerto and Solatorobo equally fucked up?
Anonymous No.723000445 >>723000534
>>722995280 (OP)
>read book
>wtf I didn't want to do that this story is terrible
just kidding I know you aren't literate
Anonymous No.723000462
>>722995280 (OP)
>I can't differentiate between myself and a character in a story
It is a shame the nosedive that critical thinking and reading comprehension took in this country.
Anonymous No.723000474
>>722999862
>Retarded midwits latch onto every single detail "duhh whats the message of this?" "hurr whats the theme?" "whats the politics behind this?" "herpderp is this game attacking me directly?" no you fucking mentally ill retard, 99% of media is just that, media, it's not saying anything whatsoever to you

Entirely false with 90% of what Disney and Hollywood produced this past fifteen years, which is abysmally woke. Entirely false with some of the worst woketards writing comics or webnovels. Entirely false with Concord, entirely false with [insert any new Woke game]...

If you can't see the very simple to understand pattern of ABSOLUTE shit they're trying to ram down your throat, then it's your fault. You are, literally, too dumb to understand blatant propaganda in your face. And supposedly too dumb to do anything about it?
Anonymous No.723000529
>>723000091
I don't give a shit what the author writes in a book after the fact, I care what the game does. And the game basically spells out to you that it's giving you an intentionally bullshit choice.
>There's always a choice
>No, there's really not
Anonymous No.723000534 >>723000713 >>723026326
>>723000445
>read book
>books calls you the reader terrible as a person
>author goes out of their way to name you
>wtf no why aren't you buying my books anymore

Reminder we already that this inane discussion back when Gone Home came out and all the journalist subhumans went to bat for it.
Anonymous No.723000713 >>723000770
>>723000534
lmao your brain is soup and you skin is the color of shit
>>722997898
Anonymous No.723000767
>>723000376
sorry you got triggered, snowflake
next time we'll include a content warning for your wittle fee-fees
Anonymous No.723000770 >>723000850
>>723000713
>he thinks modern books qualifies as literature
lmao go read your smut for women pleb
Anonymous No.723000830
>>722995280 (OP)
I will make a game where there's an option to
>Pet Dog
But once pressed you'll kick the dog killing it instantly.
Anonymous No.723000850 >>723000993
>>723000770
>qualifies as literature
the example is a fucking picture book for babies. you truly are less than human.
Anonymous No.723000864 >>723000914
>>722998842
What is this a reference to?
Anonymous No.723000903 >>723001065
>>722997657
>you are evil for killing characters in video games
Gamers just fucking love denying genocides, huh? Go fuck yourself.
Anonymous No.723000914 >>723026069
>>723000864
a streamer using a shock collar on his dog for moving.
Anonymous No.723000957
>>722997347
Just because you have agency doesn't mean you're always the character. Choose Your Adventure Books give you agency, doesn't mean you're the guu doing the actions. Then faggots like you play female protagonist and think you can have a pussy too, nah actually go fuck yourself.
Anonymous No.723000993
>>723000850
Yeah, as an example of how common it is.
And that's what it is. For commoner thirdies with shit for brains.
Anonymous No.723001017 >>723001162
>>723000167
Nier is such a perfect example of this trope.
>The kid whose brother was killed by a machine and therefore hates machines with all his heart?
>See, he's actually a bad guy, 'cause that one robot was friends with a kid and it was totally acting in self-defense!
>That desert tribe who feud with wolves and whose ruler's bride was killed by them during their wedding?
>Haha, they're villains too! Wolves just wanted to live and shit, and their pack leader had an owner once and feels sad so they're in the right
>That village where people turned out to be monsters and then turned into one big monster you had to fight?
>No, YOU're the villain because something something!
And it only got more preachy and less coherent in Automata.
Anonymous No.723001065
>>723000903
AI writers can't come soon enough.
Anonymous No.723001143 >>723001605 >>723001740
>>722998383
Yeah, but Spec Ops is darkly parodying standard military games and their loading screens that just give you orders or praise your actions. The goal isn't to get the player to think they have blood on their hands, it's damn videogame, the goal is to make players realize war isn't a game, it's hell. Spec Ops is a better Silent Hill than most of their mainline entries.
Anonymous No.723001162 >>723001291
>>723000167
>>723001017
Wut it was about the cycle of revenge. You were justified in killing the dog because he killed the bride. Hell MC dooming the world is framed as the right thing because he wanted to save his sister
Anonymous No.723001252
>>722995280 (OP)
Anonymous No.723001287 >>723001680 >>723017916
>>723000383
It's not deep. It's written at a very basic level.
>SANS: if you have some sort of special power... isn't it your responsibility to do the right thing?
>ANSWER:"Yes".
>SANS: ah. i see. ... Then why'd you kill my brother?
Sans only shows one emotional reaction to you committing a specific murder and it's this one. The only thing that makes Papyrus stands out is that he can't kill the player. Sans only steps in if you commit 100% murder and become a reality destroying super demon, but otherwise he stills lets you walk after you kill his only family who is also the only harmless monster of all the underground. He lets you walk away with killing Papyrus. He doesn't even get angry unless you choose the dialog option to say you did nothing wrong. It's puzzling that despite Sans being written so ridiculously chill with all the murders people still make up false memories about Undertale being preachy.
Anonymous No.723001291
>>723001162
Route B onwards goes over the top in showing how the shades are unconditionally innocent and in the right. It's really hard to deny the way everything is framed.
Anonymous No.723001367
>>723000424

TC has Cat apartheid and Sola have a female scientist who killed thousands of children
Anonymous No.723001376 >>723002250 >>723011172
>>722997154
Toby is a leftist jew and subscribes to the β€œEndless forgiveness so long as the forgiven isn’t white” mentality.
Basically all the monsters are niggers or jews, and you should forgive them infinite second chances, but only if you’re β€œhuman” (white)
Anonymous No.723001498 >>723001643 >>723001671
kek this board was jerking off sperg ops for the longest time, about time you midwits stopped huffing your own farts
Anonymous No.723001514 >>723001643 >>723001690 >>723001724
>Spec Ops guilts the player!
But nobody blinks an eye when Undertale specifically sets things up for the player to make the mistake of thinking that Attacks are sometimes necessary and guilting the player if they ever kill a character. Walker is undeniably the one to blame for his actions, while Undertale pins the blame on the player. Toby even says you should name the character after yourself. People just don't like thinking about war because it's real and would rather hide it behind metaphors and furries.
Anonymous No.723001605 >>723001720
>>723001143
>Spec Ops is a better Silent Hill
Mcfucking kill yourself
Anonymous No.723001643
>>723001498
>>723001514
It's not just spec ops,but other games as well
Anonymous No.723001671
>>723001498
Nah, I was here when it came out. Those threads were like 70% hate. Shills were seething that people were shitting on it.
Anonymous No.723001680 >>723001891 >>723005703
>>723001287
Not him but if the game permanently tainting your save for playing the bad guy isn't preachy, then you're an XX female girl, anon.
Even without the preachiness, however, the game is just shit with no meaningful content unless you do the garbage pacifist route or the no return genocide route (which admittedly is probably the only truly good part of the game as it manages to convey the player's villainy in an impactful manner).
Anonymous No.723001690 >>723001791 >>723001807
>>723001514
Nobody blinks an eye at undertale because it's a silly kid game for furries that doesn't really have a message, it's mostly made up of references to other stuff and random shonen anime scenes
SOTL is a serious game with a message that applies to the real world so people take it seriously and vigorously debate its meaning
simple as
Anonymous No.723001720 >>723001881
>>723001605
Silent Hill 2 is shit and you only like it because the Internet told you to.
Anonymous No.723001724
>>723001514
>games have the same themes
>manly setting is chastised
>tranny setting is praised
I am noticing a pattern with /v/
Anonymous No.723001740
>>723001143
>playing a videogame is Hell
Anonymous No.723001791 >>723002023
>>723001690
>silly kid game for furries that doesn't really have a message
actual fucking unironic pedo groomer post
Anonymous No.723001795 >>723002849 >>723006759
>>722996347
Name 7 games that do the latter
Anonymous No.723001807 >>723005571
>>723001690
>debate its meaning
Yeah, I doubt it's meaning was "Videogame Violence is Bad", meanwhile that's literally Undertale's moral lesson.
Anonymous No.723001881
>>723001720
I prefer Silent Hill 1 and never got obsessed with muh torments.
That said there's not a single game in the entire series that is not superior to Spec Ops including the trashfires made by western studios.
Anonymous No.723001891 >>723002475 >>723002956
>>723001680
gee I dunno maybe don't destroy the world
Anonymous No.723002023
>>723001791
wat
Anonymous No.723002237 >>723002375 >>723005709
>>722998383
>>722997274
So fucking what? You're both misunderstanding, or misremembering the entire point of the game. It's been stated time and time again that the whole thing was a commentary on the numerous war games that they correctly theorised people had become pretty desensitised to. Walt Williams, one of the lead writers has directly stated that they weren't trying to guilt trip you for enjoying it. If you can't understand this, you're a bigger brainlet than I was at 12 because I understood this pretty fucking easily.
"We think we've made a game that people are going to respond to fairly strongly. We don't want them to feel a specific thing. It's not designed to make you feel bad. The goal that we had going in was that you would just feel something"
Anonymous No.723002250 >>723004431 >>723009376 >>723010538
>>723001376
>Toby is a leftist jew
He's a Greek Episcopalian and his own reverend has come out in support of him before.
Anonymous No.723002375 >>723002683
>>723002237
He fucked up.
Anonymous No.723002475 >>723002979
>>723001891
I accept your concession, gay nigga.
Anonymous No.723002683 >>723003037 >>723005709
>>723002375
No, he didn't considering the large cultural impact the game had on the medium and the accolades it received. I think it did fairly well and you are just dumb
And I'm tired of this stupid fucking argument pictures like the stupid ass comic OP posted. It's such a moronic, misunderstood oversimplification that I can't imagine it's done in anything other than bad faith. I swear shit like this is a litmus test for retards who genuinely cannot parse even slightly abstract, surface level concepts in art to have a conversation with and instead take it as an affront on their character. You have to legit have a learning disability or something.
Anonymous No.723002754 >>723011172
>>722997337
lmao when killing enemies is obviously the bad route? yeah right, undertale is pretentious garbage for redditors
Anonymous No.723002849
>>723001795
i can't because i don't play those types
Anonymous No.723002956
>>723001891
>don't destroy the world
can i destroy cahra's pussy instead
Anonymous No.723002979 >>723003138 >>723009681
>>723002475
Why troll this particular game? I've never seen it pay off. It's always the same.
>undertale is preachy because the game says X
>it doesn't?
>HA I TROLL U
ok see u next time
Anonymous No.723003005 >>723003321
I find it funny how people get upset about the idea that a player can choose to tell you to fuck off for trying to push your retarded whining views in his face.

Reminds me a lot of Ron Gilbert's last monkey island game. He wrote long spergy self-backpatting things about how he choose the art to be transgressive and to shock.
Then he got extremely assmad when people got angry and acted all shocked about it.

That's the exact kind of pseud that comes to mind to me whenever people angrily defend this kind of thing.
Anonymous No.723003037 >>723003092
>>723002683
The cultural impact was this thread

>fuck Spec Ops for shaming the player
That's it. That's the impact.
Anonymous No.723003092 >>723003202 >>723003638
>>723003037
Sure, bud. I forget 4chan is filled with artisans and scholars, too ofc
Anonymous No.723003138 >>723003409 >>723003482
>>723002979
Answer my question then: What is Undertale's moral? Because I think it's as simple as:
>Videogame Violence is Bad
I cannot stomach the moral high ground Undertale takes against it's player.
Anonymous No.723003202
>>723003092
Biggest English speaking image word about gaming anon. For more than a decade Spec Ops only causes THIS discussion. It's not better elsewhere, elsewhere shiteaters and retards simply dont care and want to join in the discussion as positive game enjoyers.
Anonymous No.723003321 >>723005772
>>723003005
You've got a point. I know a dev who shoehorns gore into his franchise about cute dog and cat people, no one truly likes that but he keeps doing it.
Anonymous No.723003409 >>723004337
>>723003138
>answer my question...
stopped reading. nah.
Anonymous No.723003482
>>723003138
the moral is open the borders goy
Anonymous No.723003638 >>723003934
>>723003092
The only other place that'd discuss the game is reddit and it's just the same people from here talking more politely so they don't get banned.
Anonymous No.723003934
>>723003638
At least here you can vent off
Anonymous No.723003935
>>722999703
Spec Ops tries to induce the same mental state of protagonist to player.
>It is my mission, and I, as an elite soldier will do it. It's a shitty mission and fucking Conrad dragged me through into this. I didn't mean to kill civilians. I will save everyone in the end and prove that I'm a hero.
>I am a good player who finish games. Developers with their shitty tricks tried to make me feel bad, but I didn't have a choice but to kill civilians. I need to finish the game and ignore any moralization it throws at me.
It similar, but maybe not exactly the same. Self-aware player can learn the mental state of protagonist better by reflecting and drawing parallels between his own thinking and the character he's plaing as.
Anonymous No.723004312 >>723004387 >>723004715
>>722995280 (OP)
Name 5 games like this that aren't Spec Ops
Anonymous No.723004337
>>723003409
Thanks for conceding.
Anonymous No.723004387
>>723004312

I know only three
Anonymous No.723004431 >>723006494 >>723006667
>>723002250
But he's a raging faggot, and his shit is the worst example of infantile, left wing writing very specifically aimed at autists and mentally ill losers. I would assume there's a huge overlap with shit like MLP and Steven Universe.
Anonymous No.723004715 >>723005358
>>723004312
>Don't Shoot The Dog
If you take the comic as literal as possible.
>Doki Doki Literature Club
But that's one of the themes, you're supposed to feel gaslit and manipulated.
>Telltale Games
I'm sure they've guilt tripped players about a decision before
>Undertale
Does the same thing as Spec Ops but sloppier.
>David Cage Games
>Dark Pictures Anthology
>Fable
Anonymous No.723004990 >>723005239
>>722997274
>Spec Ops directly taunts the player.
As it should. People on here love to shit on it, but I think it's one of the more interesting games to come out in the last 25 years. Not because of the game itself, but because of the culture that was present when the game came out. I have no doubt that plenty of young men eager for another " white dude shoots a bunch of people and saves the day" were surprised by what they found. And for that, the game deserves a lot of credit, it was pretty ballsy. I don't think it's trying to be the more clever game or story ever made, but it was interesting.
Anonymous No.723005046 >>723005307 >>723009763
>>722998501
Its challenging the player to think about society and the cultural mileu they exist in, you drongo. It's deliberately provcative because it has something to say about the nature of war and the psychology instilled in soldiers, AND the representations that have been funneled in to videogaming. It's asking you to think about your motives for playing a war shooter, asking if you can discern player fun from propaganda.
Anonymous No.723005184
>people still getting triggered by Spec Ops
Yep, they genuinely won.
Anonymous No.723005239 >>723005323
>>723004990
No one was surprised, they were going on about it from day one.
>muh culture
Christ, someone who actually likes garbage that dates itself with pop-culture crap.
Anonymous No.723005307 >>723007342
>>723005046
It has nothing to say.
It's just COD inverted without the good gameplay.
Anonymous No.723005323 >>723005407
>>723005239
>No one was surprised, they were going on about it from day one.
Sounds like you got mind dunked. This is not my problem.
Anonymous No.723005358 >>723005574
>>723004715
Being given a choice between good or bad is not the same things as having to choose between bad or stop playing.
Anonymous No.723005407 >>723005575
>>723005323
No, your problem is that you're a brainlet impressed by the videogame equivalent of urinals on a pedestal.
Anonymous No.723005571 >>723005651
>>723001807
It literally is not
Anonymous No.723005574
>>723005358
Moral of Don't Shoot The Dog, Doki Doki Literature Club, and Undertale is literally choose Bad or Stop Playing.
Anonymous No.723005575 >>723005739
>>723005407
>No, your problem is that you're a brainlet impressed by the videogame equivalent of urinals on a pedestal.
It's not my problem. You seem very hot and heavy about it. I'm at the very least slightly impressed. I bought it on sale (knowing it had a subversive story) and thought it was pretty neat.
Anonymous No.723005651 >>723005932
>>723005571
Then what is it?
Anonymous No.723005698 >>723005852 >>723005919 >>723009513
>one side in this thread has anons explaining the concepts of the game and wanting to discuss the aspects of it
>other side is just going "duh it's poopy doopy me no likey y u likey?"
Anonymous No.723005703 >>723009596
>>723001680
>permanently tainting your save
It's two (2) addition to the game. Everything still works as normal otherwise. In fact I'd consider it a positive. You did Genocide to squeeze the last drops out of content out of the game, you got even more drops of content for doing it. How are you being punished?
Anonymous No.723005709 >>723005881 >>723006527
>>723002683
The cultural impact is how badly they fucked up, and it basically only exists here
>>723002237
They didn't go into that desensitization in videogames though. The game had zero issue with your actions up to that point when you were shooting what it's narrative called the bad guys.
It did a hamfisted forced "do X to continue" and then it directly chided the player for continuing to play their game as that was the ONLY choice other than an (unintentional and ironically justifiable in a court martial given what the characters knew) war crime, not the character or the culture or fictional violence or anything like that.

If you want to claim you're not attacking the player, you should have your game repeatedly talk directly to the player with your polemic,
Anonymous No.723005739
>>723005575
>paid money for it
Anonymous No.723005772 >>723021126
>>723003321
Sounds based
Anonymous No.723005847
>>722997657
>it’s pretty heavy-handed and didactic about about American military shooters and how they are war propaganda.

it's actually about how retards with egos thinking they can solve everything and instead making it exponentially worse, you just play as the youngest of the retards
Anonymous No.723005852
>>723005698
>sides
>it a group full of anonymous individuals each with individual opinions
Hivemind strawman brained. NGMI
Anonymous No.723005873 >>723006021
>>722995280 (OP)
That's not an instant refund, happens too far into the game.
Anyways I don't know if there's any straight instant refund mechanics as much as the unique qualities of a game. I've refunded two games and both were roguelikes (STRAFE and Empty Shell) so I guess roguelikes are on thin ice due to the sheer amount of games that show how to do it right.
Anonymous No.723005881 >>723006028
>>723005709
Then why didn't you just stop playing the game and return it for a refund?
Anonymous No.723005919
>>723005698
I don't know what you mean but this post is poopy doopy. no good post.
Anonymous No.723005932 >>723006825
>>723005651
undertale is very explicitly askingβ€˜is doing things just because you can do them a fun way and satisfying way to engage with art.'
you aren't called a bad person for doing genocide. the game simply asks if you're even having fun doing this repetitive anticlimactic grindfest purely to see what happens. finishing every possible neutral ending to utter exhaustion until Flowey asks if you have nothing better to do then pushing the game to its limit to "100%" it. i think it drops the ball on this at the end with the sans fight but it's pretty clearly not "killing videogame characters is bad"
Anonymous No.723005987 >>723006823
>>722996069
holy cringe
there are adult men who take this shit seriously
Anonymous No.723006021 >>723006108
>>723005873
What if it happens in the very beginning?
Anonymous No.723006028
>>723005881
I genuinely enjoyed the gameplay despite the writing kind of like Subnautica
Anonymous No.723006108
>>723006021
NTA but then that becomes the narrative promise so it's okay.
Unironcally.
Anonymous No.723006198
>>722997713
>It directly shames the player for playing a military shooter.
Honestly based, but not for the reasons they did it
Anonymous No.723006487
Military dudebro gamer culture was cringe as fuck so I at least respect Spec Ops for taking a shot across their bow even if it didn't amount to much.
Anonymous No.723006494
>>723004431
>left wing writing very specifically aimed at autists and mentally ill losers. I would assume there's a huge overlap with shit like MLP and Steven Universe.
you are on 4chan btw
Anonymous No.723006504
>>722995280 (OP)
Crafting/survival mechanics
Anonymous No.723006527 >>723006631 >>723007312
>>723005709
>hamfisted forced "do X to continue"
Unironically if Spec Ops gave players a choice, then the game wouldn't work. Not only does that kill the stakes of the story, it loses the only unique selling point of story.
>Case In Point
Undertale gives you a choice and goes out of it's way to trick players into choosing the violent option so they can tell a better story. Even if you didn't choose the violent option, Undertale tried to guide you to it and for that reason it's moral lesson fails: Violence is sometimes necessary. Nobody chastes Walker for defending himself and trying to earnestly complete the mission until he crosses the line. That moment is the start of Walker's journey through hell. Meanwhile you're thrown thru loops to be nice to people who want you dead in Undertale. Imagine if Walker could pacify his foes, the whole point would flop.

People remember Undertale for it's characters, writing, and humor. They remember the reputation as the game you don't have to kill enemies in, but they don't think about what that moral even means. Spec Ops is not the better game, but it has a better premise and that's what it is remember for.
Anonymous No.723006631 >>723006786 >>723006906
>>723006527
Violence is sometimes necessary is literally something Undertale goes out of its way to state.
Anonymous No.723006667 >>723009450 >>723010419 >>723010634 >>723027894
>>723004431
>He's a jew
>No he isn't
>W-well b-but he-
Goalpost moving is woman behavior.
Anonymous No.723006759
>>723001795
Hotline miami (said in interview, actually the only one somewhat subtle about it in this list)
Undertale and deltarune
Bloodmoney
Spec Ops: The line (they admit it several times in interviews)
Stanley Parable
Oneshot
That's all I directly think about in terms of questioning the morality of the player. It's mostly smaller games though.
Anonymous No.723006765 >>723008469 >>723012671
>>722995280 (OP)
What game has done this besides Spec Ops: The Line?
Anonymous No.723006786
>>723006631
Toby executed the concept better in Deltarune honestly and it's not even done yet. I still like Undertale but I don't think he was quite ready to commit to that idea yet which is why it kind of flip flops.
Anonymous No.723006823
>>723005987
Player is not supposed to feel bad after this?
Anonymous No.723006825
>>723005932
>i think it drops the ball on this at the end with the sans fight but it's pretty clearly not "killing videogame characters is bad"
Oh, you think? The fight with the character who tells you:
>Why did you kill all my friends!?!
Might be dropping hints that killing videogame characters is bad? What character in Undertale can you kill and the game rewards you for it? Without a single line from a character asking why did you kill that guy? The game won't even call you a true pacificist until you forgive a serial killer. You can like the game without sucking it's dick on every detail: Undertale's morals are gibberish and makes NO sense.
Anonymous No.723006906 >>723012009
>>723006631
Then it chastes you in nearly 100% of the cases where you use violence. Isn't that only the answer to the Asgore fight? And you still forgive him anyway?
Anonymous No.723007051
>>722997347
the only reason you play video games is for roleplay?
Anonymous No.723007173 >>723007267
>>722995280 (OP)
I'm ok if a game call me evil but you also have to refund my money back
Anonymous No.723007267
>>723007173
Yeah okay jew
Anonymous No.723007312 >>723008052
>>723006527
>Imagine if Walker could pacify his foes, the whole point would flop
In fact at the start, he can order Lugo to engage in negotiation with arabs. You can let an american solder go when you first meet him. On other occasions you could try to do it "clean" and engage in stealth. But over and over again it fails and things resort to violence. So, after some time, Walker just stops trying.
Anonymous No.723007342
>>723005307
It had so much to say that it's still discussed almost daily 13 years later.
Anonymous No.723008052
>>723007312
Yeah after you cross the line. Meanwhile in Undertale, crossing the line and killing then trying to redeem yourself is mocked by the game pointedly asking about the blood on your hands and guilt-tripping you. In fact, Undertale expects you to pacify enemies who have killed others, while guilt-tripping only you.
Anonymous No.723008469
>>723006765
Depression Quest
Anonymous No.723009376 >>723010419
>>723002250
>See? He has a goyligious background, that means he can't be a leftist hypocrite that worships the parasites that wrote his holy books!
Boy, that sure is a compelling argument.
Anonymous No.723009450 >>723009574 >>723010243
>>723006667
Not him but taking the "jew" thing literally is a sign of profound autism.
Anonymous No.723009513
>>723005698
Everyone who'd want to seriously examine the concepts and execution of the game would come to the conclusion that it is poopy doopy, which is why it's defenders all feel the need to pretend that none of those things were actually attempted.
Anonymous No.723009574 >>723009830
>>723009450
Okay so you're retarded lmao got it.
Anonymous No.723009596 >>723015579
>>723005703
I nailed 15 dead cats to the walls of your house. It's less than 1% of your house's volume, it's still a normal house othjerwise. In fact, I'd consider it a positive. You said this dumb shit to me because you had nothing better to do, and now you have an entire FIFTEEN cats to get off your walls, you can do something useful now. How is this vandalism?
Anonymous No.723009613
>>722995280 (OP)
>game lets you kill dogs then strip their flesh from their bones and then lets you tan their hides to combine with the bones into furniture so your dwarves have somewhere comfy to enjoy their booze
Anonymous No.723009681
>>723002979
Why be a faggot at all? It's always the same
>Try to offer meaningful input
>You're just being a faggot in response
Ok see u next time.
Anonymous No.723009763
>>723005046
>Its challenging the player to think about society and the cultural mileu they exist in
Anonymous No.723009830
>>723009574
>Okay so you're retarded lmao got it.
Anonymous No.723010243 >>723010310
>>723009450
This is also woman behavior, no different than women calling married men with kids "incel." You're just woman-brained. It makes conversation with you pointless.
Anonymous No.723010310 >>723010480 >>723010513
>>723010243
You're low IQ if you're incapable of understanding an expression, and pretending that being a retard is manly isn't gonna make you any less pathetic.
Anonymous No.723010419 >>723010480
>>723009376
See >>723006667
Anonymous No.723010480
>>723010419
See >>723010310
Anonymous No.723010513 >>723010556
>>723010310
>N-no you see it's just VIBES and words don't actually MEAN what you say
Woman-brained behavior. Keep it up, I'm certain if you keep acting like a woman you'll finally be able to convince yourself you actually are one.
Anonymous No.723010538
>>723002250
You don't think a jew can be brought up catholic?
Anonymous No.723010556 >>723010948
>>723010513
>>N-no you see it's just VIBES and words don't actually MEAN what you say
>Woman-brained behavior. Keep it up, I'm certain if you keep acting like a woman you'll finally be able to convince yourself you actually are one.
Anonymous No.723010634 >>723010683
>>723006667
I don't care if zir is a christcuck he's spreaking jew shit
Anonymous No.723010683
>>723010634
Spreaking?
Anonymous No.723010735
Spec Ops: The Line didn't really bother me with its whole "do you feel like a hero yet" finger wagging, right up until the contrived white phosphorous scene. And it's really just because it's so obvious that using the WP isn't necessary and that the people you're about to torch clearly aren't soldiers. But maybe that was part of the point and I'm just too stupid to understand smug moralizing.
Anonymous No.723010874 >>723023404
>>722995749
This. The entire 'problem' is literally just self-insert trannies being unable to understand that they are not the character in the video game.
Anonymous No.723010948 >>723011253 >>723011701
>>723010556
>it's okay when Johnny Knoxville does it because he's white
Anonymous No.723011172 >>723018776
>>722997419
>>723002754
>>723001376
>The game only outright calls you out for doing genocide.
>The route where you actively seek out monsters to kill.
>The game bashes the fact that you're actively hunting monsters by the fact that there's a evacuation from (you)
>"WTF IM BEING SHAT ON WHEN IM JUST DEFENDING MYSELF!!?!?!?!"
Literally jewish mindset.
Anonymous No.723011253
>>723010948
>good morning sars i am jonjeet knoxabhad and this is cowdung *head shake*
>indian chords start playing
Anonymous No.723011701
>>723010948
>cultural practice
>vs
>shock/gross out humor
Anonymous No.723012009
>>723006906
You don't have to forgive him anyway. That's entirely your choice and nobody reproaches you for killing someone who's trying to kill you.
Anonymous No.723012671 >>723019767
>>723006765
The Last of Us 2 has an entire chapter where you kill a vicious snarling dog trying to rip your throat out and then have to play through a lengthy flashback about what a loyal and friendly chonker the pupperino was

That's why Druckman is the most respected artist in vidya
Anonymous No.723013461 >>723013909 >>723019131 >>723019629 >>723022805 >>723023404
>>722997274
Retard
>>722997295
Retard
>>722999796
Retard

Spec ops was Walker talking to himself, not the player. YOU ARE NOT WALKER. Nothing in game suggested it was ever aimed at the player, it was all walker's subconscious beating himself walking through the hell he made.
The final and 3rd ending is even more damning
Anonymous No.723013625
>>722998302
>Shoot guy
>His friend goes "YOU BASTARD"
>shoot and/or grenade him because he gave me his position
Anonymous No.723013809 >>723021319 >>723023404
>>722995749
It's honestly insane the amount of low iq troglodytes who think the protag = literally me and will take personally what happens to the protag.
Anonymous No.723013909 >>723014245
>>723013461
Oblivious idiot. How many screenshots of the developers talking about shitting on the player will it take before you finally stop saying this idiotic shit?
Anonymous No.723014245 >>723014475 >>723023404
>>723013909
When the devs realize their fans are sub90 IQ mongrels who take everything as a personal attack and are not capable of NOT SELF INSERTING, of course the devs will steer into their direction and drop the nuance
Anonymous No.723014258
>>722995280 (OP)
You didn't just not get the game, you don't get the medium
Anonymous No.723014475 >>723015369 >>723019131
>>723014245
>Bending reality around yourself to suit your narrative
Trans behavior.
Anonymous No.723014521
>>722995280 (OP)
How come there isn’t a version of this where player goes β€˜give me more dogs to kill’?
I love being a evil psycho in vidya.
Anonymous No.723014767 >>723015457
>>722995280 (OP)
are there any games that force me to violently kill a dog that is not actively attacking me? I want to play it
Anonymous No.723015369 >>723015952
>>723014475
>Trans behavior
Yes? You exemplify it.
Anonymous No.723015457 >>723023745
>>723014767
You put this dog into oven for insta win during first boss battle, does this count?
Anonymous No.723015579 >>723015952
>>723009596
>slight changes to the endings based on previous actions you undertook are vandalism
Anonymous No.723015952 >>723019131
>>723015369
>n-no u
The peak of tranny's creativity.
>>723015579
How would you feel if you tried to visualize a spinning apple in your head after not having ate breakfast this morning?
Anonymous No.723017916
>>723001287
"How dare you kill my brother who nearly beats you to death… Didn’t you KNOW he can’t kill you, but can only bring you to near death????"
Reminds me of Redditors "le monsters don’t know they’re actually hurting you" cope.
Anonymous No.723018776
>>723011172
>If you kill a single enemy (whp were literally trying to murder you), you can’t get a "good" ending
By denying you a good ending for everyone else, it implicitly says to you "nooo, you have to be le hecking wholesome and never hurt anyone, otherwise there can’t be a happy ending for ANYONE"
Anonymous No.723019131 >>723019303
>>723015952
>n-no u
Yes, that's exactly what you yourself did with your reply
>>723014475
to my post
>>723013461
calling out tranny behavior
Anonymous No.723019161
Everybody seems to forget is that Frisk is a 10 year old kid, even if he has magic time bending save/load powers. From his perspective 99% of the creatures in the underground are trying to kill him. Papyrus can't/won't kill him, but he still beats the shit out of him if we assume the average player didn't play that fight perfectly. I don't think it's reasonable to expect a little kid to make "the right" moral judgement on yet another monster that attacks him, even if Papyrus only ever brings you to 1 hp.
Anonymous No.723019203 >>723023404
>>722996347
The latter doesn't exist and you're a self-inserting subhuman retard.
Anonymous No.723019303
>>723019131
I explained how you're behaving like a tranny. You just repeated after me like the mental cuckold you are, even leaving your retorts for other people to come up with.
Anonymous No.723019629
>>723013461
>t Lollipop Chainsaw goes "Cheerleader outfits only look good on girls, but why should you care? You're just playing a game..."
Anonymous No.723019689 >>723019827 >>723019891 >>723020012 >>723020054 >>723027076
>game calls you a hero and the smartest most special guy in the universe for saving the day
>it was literally impossible to do anything but achieve that outcome
>this is fine, normal, good even

>game calls you a piece of shit for doing a bad thing
>it was literally impossible to do anything but achieve that outcome
>this is pretentious, bad game design
Anonymous No.723019767
>>723012671
Okay , now that's pretentious
Anonymous No.723019827 >>723020243
>>723019689
You want to WIN in a game not LOSE.
Anonymous No.723019891
>>723019689
You made the former example especially gay as well. So, no.
Anonymous No.723020012 >>723020228 >>723020387
>>723019689
>"Thank you for reading."
>this is fine, normal, good even
>"You turned the page even when characters kept dying, but why should YOU CARE!??!?! YOU'RE JUST READING A BOOK AFTER ALL"
>this is pretentious
Yeah?
Anonymous No.723020054 >>723020243
>>723019689
Yeah people don't like being shat on for consuming content, by the content itself, that was purposely created by somebody with the intent of being consumed by others
Anonymous No.723020228
>>723020012
>YOU'RE JUST READING A BOOK AFTER ALL
kek
Anonymous No.723020243 >>723020340 >>723020387 >>723020587
>>723019827
>>723020054
Alright, so we're at the crux of the issue. The real problem is that you felt entitled to a wish fulfillment power fantasy and got your jimmies rustled when the game didn't deliver that.
Anonymous No.723020250
>>722997565
Xillia 2 will probably forever be the worst offender of OP's pic considering the MC doesn't even deserve the suffering
Anonymous No.723020331
>something horrible happens that's out of your control
>"Try not to feel too bad"
Anonymous No.723020340 >>723020591
Why is the one thing you're apparently not allowed to critique without "self-inserting" is a piece of medias attempt to insert you?
>>723020243
Interesting which replies you didn't feel like replying too.
Anonymous No.723020387
>>723020243
what about this one?
>>723020012
Anonymous No.723020587
>>723020243
I guess that's one way to describe a game treating the player like an asshole because they jumped on walking mushrooms or whatever tf. About as disingenuous of a description as the moral chastising for playing a video game in the intended manner.
Anonymous No.723020591 >>723020748 >>723021043
>>723020340
I ignored two of them because they're incoherent babble that doesn't even make a point.
Anonymous No.723020748 >>723021135
>>723020591
Maybe you're just too dumb to get it.
Anonymous No.723020750 >>723020893 >>723020994 >>723021858
>Stealth Spec Ops: The Line thread

WE HAVE THIS THREAD EVERY FUCKING WEEK YOU SCHIZOPHRENIC NUTJOB! IT'S BEEN OVER THIRTEEN YEARS!! GET OVER IT YOU MOTHERFUCKING PUSSY!!!
Anonymous No.723020818 >>723020972
spec ops just sucks as a teebeeaych
gunplay was mediocre as fuck
Anonymous No.723020893 >>723020972
>>723020750
Spec ops thread is there
>>723007673
Anonymous No.723020927 >>723021836
>>722995280 (OP)
I actually don't remember when the game forces you to finish someone off.
Anonymous No.723020972
>>723020818
>>723020893
Anonymous No.723020994 >>723021170
>>723020750
Yet you clicked on it.
Because opening a 4chan thread is harmless, right? Just like killing for a good cause.
Anonymous No.723021043
>>723020591
>It was easier for me to misrepresent and bullshit the other two replies
Anonymous No.723021126
>>723005772
Enjoy!
Anonymous No.723021135 >>723021326
>>723020748
Explain it to me then. Do it like I'm a huge dumbass who doesn't know shit about shit.
Anonymous No.723021170
>>723020994
Honestly nothing wrong with blowing up the civvies at the end
Walker is just a pussy who needs meds to fix his schizoid tendancies
Anonymous No.723021319 >>723021496
>>723013809
Now extend this logic to protagonists of a different race or gender and a bunch of /v/ tourist instantly lose their mind about how they can't relate and have a melty.
Anonymous No.723021326 >>723021474
>>723021135
>you a hero and the smartest most special guy
is gay, masturbatory and not normal or good.
And pretending that playing a video is doing a bad thing or makes you a piece of shit is pretentious, and retarded.
Anonymous No.723021474 >>723021959 >>723022432
>>723021326
Why don't people make threads complaining about the approximately nine trillion games where the story frames the player character as an incredible hero who saved the day? If it's gay and masturbatory, you would think people would be much more upset about the massive pile of games like that than the would be about the small handful of games OP's image could be referencing.
Anonymous No.723021496 >>723023680
>>723021319
Self-insertion is irrelevant. I simply do not want to play as a butch lesbian or a gay nigger.
Anonymous No.723021714
ITT: people who do not understand video games as a medium
Anonymous No.723021836
>>723020927
White phosphorous scene. A lot of other things actually are optional, and it would just be a bit pretensions. That's the scene that also makes it retarded.
Anonymous No.723021858 >>723022082 >>723025549
>>723020750
OP wanted it to be an Undertale thread but Undertale doesn't actually force you to kill anybody
Anonymous No.723021959 >>723022135
>>723021474
I literally can't think of a simple example of that.
Anonymous No.723022082 >>723022356
>>723021858
DR forces you to kill a poor titan baby tho
Anonymous No.723022135 >>723022228
>>723021959
Anonymous No.723022228
>>723022135
Nope.
Anonymous No.723022356
>>723022082
Ralsei says they are mindless and nonsapient and we all know that Ralsei is completely trustworthy and would never mislead us for any reason
Anonymous No.723022432
>>723021474
>"player character"
>"game calls YOU a hero and the smartest most special guy in the universe for saving the day"
>"game calls YOU a piece of shit for doing a bad thing"
Concession accepted.
Anonymous No.723022597 >>723022943
>>722995280 (OP)
https://litter.catbox.moe/tjuub40joh4krcyo.mp4
>game gives you the prompt to do something only for the character to go "no, i can't do that because the story needs to happen"
why even make it a prompt them?
Anonymous No.723022604
>>722995280 (OP)
five lightyears in ms paint
Anonymous No.723022708 >>723023404
>He self-inserted as Captain Martin Walker
My name is literally Martin and even I didn't do that.
Anonymous No.723022741
>>722995280 (OP)
That shit two player game with the parents turned into toys killing that elephant, why am I meant to like these two sociopaths?
Anonymous No.723022805 >>723031279
>>723013461
>cut to an anon freaking out that a black person is the protagonist of a game
Armchair psychology falls apart so quick.
Anonymous No.723022884
>>722995749
>game presents a very obvious blank slate for the player to project to
>game also gives you the choice to stray from the narrative
>punishes you with a game over for straying from the narrative if it even offers you the choice to begin with
>this is somehow LE DEEP CHARACTER REVEALING MOMENT OF THE PROTAGONIST and not just the writer feeling himself up
no, retard. if you're going to have a blank slate protag, fucking commit to it. if you HAVE TO make a point against the player, at the very least ACKNOWLEDGE the break in projection and somewhat cleverly recontextualize the story in a way that doesn't shatter their willing suspension of disbelief. that's the fucking key there: suspension of disbelief, legerdemain, sleight of hand; yet midwit dunderheads like you discredit that shit as if it isn't the one thing standing between a player and their engagement. dumb fuck.
Anonymous No.723022943
>>723022597
I'd say it's bad enough to not let you even without a prompt.
Anonymous No.723022961
>>722995749
why do you guys talk shit like this, then say Disco Elyisum is a faggot game because you can like communism (you can also hate it, too), but when the game literally forces you to do bad things so it can judge you for that is autistic because you took it personally. You guys are fucking idiots I swear.
Anonymous No.723023337
>>722998685
Anonymous No.723023404 >>723023749 >>723024065 >>723024350 >>723025761
>>723022708
>>723019203
>>723010874
>>723013809
>>723014245
>>723013461
>>722995749
>can a single defender of this game actually read?
Anonymous No.723023680
>>723021496
I simply do not want to burn people with chemicals
Anonymous No.723023745 >>723024219 >>723025549
>>723015457
Malt is the only correct answer there, he's the oldest so it's his responsibility.

Kyle is also acceptable.

If you pick anyone else you're wrong and a bad person.
Anonymous No.723023749
>>723023404
>The US military does not condone the killing of unarmed combatants
Funniest shit I've read all week
Anonymous No.723023884
>>722995749
This just isn't true, most games that pull this kind of shit are made specifically to be a "commentary" on games and the people who play them.
Anonymous No.723024065 >>723024621 >>723024843
>>723023404
You know you don't have to shoot that mob of civilians that attacks Lugo, right? You can just fire into the air to disperse them.
Anonymous No.723024085 >>723025064
To save this shit thread im going to question you on chrono ark's ending

Everyone's lives are a virtual fake and the actual you with your actual family/friends/societies etc are in cryogenics.
YOU can choose

A) give every virtual a perfect slice of life virtual world, but ensure the physicals will die never waking up and humanity is extinct.
B) Wake up your real selves with all your memories, knowing you have saved humanity at the cost of everyone's virtual selves dying immediately.

Yes YOU and all your virtual friends will die in either outcome
Anonymous No.723024192
>>722995280 (OP)
Make it a cutscene of the character doing the thing of their own will, there problem solved. I'd assume even midwits would understand that further dialogue is based on the character's actions and not trying to berate the player over something they didn't want to do, but couldn't play the game without doing.
Anonymous No.723024219 >>723024381
>>723023745
Boron is literally shaped like a cannonball.
Anonymous No.723024294 >>723024802
spec ops the line was a middling shooter slap dab in the middle of the browniest bloomiest era of gaming and it still manages to get talked about today just because it ragebaited players a bit, that's genuinely impressive
Anonymous No.723024350 >>723024621 >>723024843
>>723023404
>He fired into the crowd
Anonymous No.723024381 >>723026150
>>723024219
Boron is a precious cinnamon bun that deserves all the cinnamon buns in the world
Anonymous No.723024503
I enjoy games that let me execute the injured or surrendered, which Spec Ops let me do. Name ONE modern game that let's me do that.

That's right. You CAN'T.
Anonymous No.723024621
>>723024065
>>723024350
You're hallucinating.
Anonymous No.723024703 >>723025035 >>723025919
>>722995280 (OP)
Anonymous No.723024802
>>723024294
Wait til you find out about Desert Bus.
Anonymous No.723024843
>>723024065
>>723024350
>Deflecting
Specopstrannies are on a competetive level of leftist misdirection.
Anonymous No.723025035 >>723025919
>>723024703
based fuck pupper goodbois
Anonymous No.723025064
>>723024085
A. Fuck humanity, only somewhere between 0.1% to 5% have any value. Yes, I will prioritize myself and my happiness over humanity because I'm not a cuck, plus humanity would fuck itself over in a few decades to a few centuries, but as I said, that's besides my point.
Anonymous No.723025325
>>722998382
>Launch any WW2 game
>"War was some fucked up shit" - Benjamin Franklin
Anonymous No.723025520 >>723025919
>>722995280 (OP)
>You see that dog? Kill it.
Sure
>Don't you feel bad
No
Anonymous No.723025549 >>723026196 >>723026232 >>723026434
>>723023745

Wappa makes the most sense, she's an orphan so no one will miss her.

>>723021858
Wrong.
Anonymous No.723025761
>>723023404
Uh... Self-insertion accusing schizo sisters? How do we respond?
Anonymous No.723025919 >>723026102
>>723024703
>>723025035
>>723025520
This board is for white people only, m*hammed
Anonymous No.723026043
I'm putting that mechanic into the game I'm making lol except I'm going even further and just forcing it on the player by replacing all their dialogue options with [KILL THEM] when I want them to kill someone. They'll hate it and I'll love it.
Anonymous No.723026069
>>723000914
It's Hasan, the left's God, not just a streamer.
Anonymous No.723026102
>>723025919
You're not white if you can't tell videogames apart from reality. I like dogs, but killing them in a game isn't worse than killing people in a game, and neither bother me.
Anonymous No.723026150
>>723024381
Fat fuck clogs the swan all the time
Anonymous No.723026196
>>723025549
>Wait! She's still warm!
Anonymous No.723026232 >>723026474
>>723025549
You don't have Wappa at the time though, unless it's New Game+

Also, I don't think the game calls the player out on any of this? It's more that it makes the other kids oppressed. It's up to you to feel bad about it if you want, the game doesn't do that pretentious "you're a bad person for playing our game!" thing.

Also don't kill orphans.
Anonymous No.723026326
>>723000534
>onlyfans whore does the same
>+$50m
Anonymous No.723026434
>>723025549
You don't have Wappa at the time though, unless it's New Game+

Also, I don't think the game calls the player out on any of this? It's more that it makes the other kids depressed. It's up to you to feel bad about it if you want, the game doesn't do that pretentious "you're a bad person for playing our game!" thing.

Also don't kill orphans.
Anonymous No.723026474 >>723026563
>>723026232
Yeah I was kidding.
Making you feel sad for killing a kid IS the intent. Even if it's a fake out.
However 3rd game is so broken sometimes kid gets depressed and hops into the canon on his/her own.
Anonymous No.723026563 >>723026639
>>723026474
Oh! Haven't played the 3rd game yet. That's sad.
Anonymous No.723026639 >>723026867
>>723026563
I am discouraging you from playing sequels. Seriously, they are shit.
Anonymous No.723026867 >>723026950
>>723026639
The first Fuga game is good though, I'd recommend that to anybody. Ironically it's a better "art" game than any of the games that do the OP thing >>722995280 (OP) and yet no one considers it an "art" game
Anonymous No.723026950 >>723027218
>>723026867

The ending is a middle finger to the player though
Anonymous No.723027073 >>723027463
>>722995280 (OP)
>You all came back, huh?
Anonymous No.723027076
>>722995280 (OP)
>>723019689
>You WILL go through the humiliation ritual and you WILL become a better man
Anonymous No.723027218 >>723027420
>>723026950
The ending to the first game or the sequels? If you meant the first game how so?
Anonymous No.723027409
>>722999862
>99% of media is just that, media
Have you been living under a rock? Only 1% of media ever felt "preachy" to you?
Anonymous No.723027420 >>723027487
>>723027218

There was no magical bond between kids that could power the canon.
AI used spare child that was conveniently hidden in the Tank
Anonymous No.723027463 >>723028598
>>723027073
I've got no idea what they were trying to accomplish with the story.
It's like a story that ends halfway through and then keeps going for no reason.
Anonymous No.723027487 >>723027596
>>723027420
That's a stupid retcon though?
Anonymous No.723027535 >>723027915
>>722995280 (OP)
Basically God of war Ragnarok.
Anonymous No.723027596 >>723027747
>>723027487
No. It's real. When the finale happens this image flickers for split second. THEN there's a note in the Archives.
Anonymous No.723027747 >>723028048
>>723027596
Disappointing if true.
Anonymous No.723027894
>>723006667
>never actually provided anything stating his ethnicity
>thinks some reverend saying "he went to my church" means he can't be of a certain race, somehow
nigger
Anonymous No.723027915
>>723027535
Not enough NPC chatter explaining what to do next.
Anonymous No.723028048 >>723028124 >>723028271
>>723027747
It's true, true. I am not making it up.
You thought their journey mattered, that all this will have a payoff and you're getting Guardians or the Galaxy vol 1 ending, but nope, game flips a bird at you.
Anonymous No.723028124
>>723028048
*Guardians OF the Galaxy
Anonymous No.723028271
>>723028048
Still good up until the cop out then though. And again, a good narrative with themes that lets the player decide how to feel about it rather than doing >>722995280 (OP) and saying "this is how you should feel!"
Anonymous No.723028598
>>723027463
The way I took understood it was that there are things that are beyond your control.
Anonymous No.723029643
>>722995280 (OP)
>no ultrawide support
>tutorial or game starts instantly at launch, no way of adjusting settings first
>"press X to pet le wholesome doggerino"
>released DLC before patching game-breaking bugs and glitches in the main game
Anonymous No.723029921
>>722999796
Still not real.
Still a videogame.
If you write a book called "You're a nazi" where the main character is "you" and is written in the second person and "you" are a nazi and in the book you go around asking all of your superior officers why you're rounding up people and wasting precious train fuel to send them away when you can more efficiently kill them where they stand I'm not going to cry about how evil I am. If you want me to feel bad about an action I take in a game you have to present me with options, otherwise it's just a rollercoaster ride with no way out.
Anonymous No.723030476
Even zombies games make me feel like I'm just slaughtering retarded people. Give me a game with enemies that are there to frustrate me and make them something more interesting than just demons. I don't buy a game on minimum wage just to be lectured at for how I'm a bad person. Billion dollar AAA studies calling ME bad?
Anonymous No.723031279
>>723022805
You're confusing "I hate niggers and don't want to see them" for "I don't identify as a nigger so I don't want to play as one".