Thread 722995489

Based off of famitsu and steamdb I think it is fairly safe to say the game has generated at least $5 million in revenue. How much money does a game have to make to get a sequel at square enix?

They're not gonna make a sequel that's just what remaster devs always say

Salaries at sq enix are very low compared to other countries. If they make an asset flip sequel and 5-10 new classes and steal art from the mobile games, I see no reason why they can’t crank something out in a year.

>>722995489 (OP)
It also sold well 30 years ago, and it didn't get a sequel.

>>722997187
FFTA?

>>722997187
That couldn't be helped because retardation drove Matsuno away from Square. I'd say there's a chance of a sequel this time because of certain clarifications.

>>722995489 (OP)
The most you're getting is a FF with similar gameplay but a different setting and writer. Matsuno can't deal with working under Square Enix.

>>722995817
those are high salaries for nipland

I miss Ivalice so much bros...

would love a sequel but more in the XCOM2 style or at least fully controllable camera, SE can learn a lot from western games

>>722995489 (OP)
as someone not in the loop, can someone explain to me why SE is always disappointed with their sales numbers?

ive just started ff7 p2 and if its anything like p1 im expecting kino.

Also any copium hope of ff9 remake announcement this year now that tactics is out?

>>722998378
I just wish SE would use the art style and the jobs more often, I don't really care what kind of game it was.
Like FF12's IZJS could have had the jobs give the characters outfits but in FFT style. Like how FFX-2 did it.

>>722998574
yep, they have a great IP with amazing original art, they need to hire a western studio for the game mechanics (heck even Larian despite Tencent ownership) and have the jap teams focus on art, music, and vibe

it's so easy and would be a massive hit but it's like they don't want to make money and continue to double down on stupid jap dev stereotypical autism

>>722995489 (OP)
FFT is my favorite game and I don't want a sequel, I can't understand why anyone would wish that on it

>>722998507
Big companies such as SQEX need larger profits to invest in other projects and opportunity cost is big for them, low sales numbers means that they might as well have invested that money into stock trading.

>>722998692
>They need
You grossly underestimate returns for a niche game, and communication and creative breakdowns can easily happen if both studios end up disagreeing with each other. Don't forget that all these risks are borne by the company and not us.

>>722998692
At this point I am certain square has no idea what people even liked about their past successes

>>722998692
>Larian
What the fuck

i don't think FFT needs a sequel, i'd much rather they just develop a post game for it that utilizes the battle engine to the fullest.

>>722995647
FPBP

>>722998916
You can do all of that on a sequel, and leave the original as is to not fuck it up.

>>722999157
>and leave the original as is to not fuck it up.
one of the originals weakest points is the fact that it has literally no postgame, they can fix that with this remake/remaster

>>722998867
>Don't forget that all these risks are borne by the company and not us.
no risk, no gain
>>722998869
they pushed out all their OG creative minds
>>722998873
relax, i was just making a point, can't deny BG3's massive success and mainstream appeal tho, IC would've benefited from BG3 style dialogue instead of shitty filler faux-Shakespeare bullshit, if they were serious they would have hired shakesperean style playwrights, they're a dime a dozen and will do a decent job for a fucking videogame

>>722999290
>IC would've benefited from BG3 style dialogue instead of shitty filler faux-Shakespeare bullshit
This is the most retarded take I've seen on this site in years

>>722999290
this might be the worst post on this board right now

>>722998507
>as someone not in the loop, can someone explain to me why SE is always disappointed with their sales numbers?
SE have a bullshit high sale expectation for anything they develop or published.
One of their early example of this is when they published Sleeping Dogs and was disappointed that the initial launch only got 2 million sales instead of the 7 million that they expected.

>>722999246
It's a closed story and a point of entry of the genre, you don't really need shit like POTD on it, and it's just a remaster no drastic new things is the expected
But on a sequel all bets are off and they can go wild.

there already is a sequel, and its based

people that don't agree are just falling into escapism, which is unhealthy

>>722999405
>>722999410
have you read actual Shakespeare? it's clever, full of irony, and rich with motivation

>>722999462
Blame that on higher development costs, it's not surprising that they'd be disappointed when The Spirits Within was such a big loss for them.

>>722999479
>It's a closed story
that has nothing to do with no postgame
>and a point of entry of the genre
ffts battle engine to this day is one of the most complex in the genre, it being a point of entry has no baring on whether or not it should have a postgame. i don't understand what this obsession is with wanting a sequel for a game that is already perfectly fine on it's on. are you a square employee gauging interest or something

finished it yesterday. the ending was kinda whack.
started tactics ogre: reborn today and its pretty good so far.

>>722998916
>rather they just develop a post game for it that utilizes the battle engine to the fullest.
just wait for the hard mode mods

>>722999687
why didnt you like the ending

>>722999652
Right at you buddy, FFT wasn't designed for a postgame either.

>>722999652
>ffts battle engine to this day is one of the most complex in the genre
and is completely underutilized because of how badly designed the actual gameplay is

>>722999517
Yes, and that doesn't make your post less retarded

>>722995489 (OP)
zoomers cant understand isometric games that dont autoplay with gacha porn gambling pulls for collecting and gooning.

>>722999750
the gameplay for the story being under utilized doesn't make it bad, it's perfectly fine for what it wants the player to get out of while experiencing the story. the point of a postgame is to focus entirely on the autism of the mechanics without the worry of people not progressing the story.

>>722999883
yeah this gameplay is fire

>>722999652
>Square employee
>Having a shred of care to be gauging interest
You are funny anon.

>>722999724
dislike is the wrong word.
you just think its kinda a happy end but then orran gets burned on a stake offscreen and ovelia and delita are stabbing each other lol shit came out of nowhere

>>723000071
case in point. retard doesnt understand.

>>723000045
I wonder why retards who cry about gameplay and postgame don't understand that some games have a postgame for a reason and some don't.

>>722999290
>IC would've benefited from BG3 style dialogue instead of shitty filler faux-Shakespeare bullshit
Okay you redeemed yourself

>>723000045
>Fuck the story, what i want is autism grind
So you want a gacha game then, to which by coincidence SE already made it, and shut it down.

>>723000191
youre right, they are a suicide maxxing company. it's just jarring to see people post in this thread asking for a sequel and then in the same post talk how the games would benefit from a wrpgs mainstream appeal like they have a stake in squenix's shares.

>>723000278
then enlighten us anon
>>723000390
no? i just want something like POTD from tactics ogre

>>723000538
I like the postgame from games like Etrian Odyssey, because postgame stratums are designed to fuck with you and it's a gameplay-heavy game and there's nothing in the narrative to stop you from going wherever. That doesn't work well in a game like Suikoden because any conflict would have ended by the time the game is done, so a post-game there would be retarded.

FFT postgame isnt any better

i don't need post game but i do need the AI to be better and jobs to be further balanced

>>723000803
A valid complaint.

>>723000219
Its just the same shit politics and stupidity with different people. There are no happy endings. I thought it was good and sold the point well.

>>723000668
i mean i don't really disagree that narratively it would seem a bit silly, but i personally just don't see that to be that valuable. post games are more often than not just silly challenges that allow you to explore the games systems if you wish to do so, just a for fun activity.

>>722998507
>Also any copium hope of ff9 remake announcement this year now that tactics is out?
If it exists they would possibly be announcing it at TGA which would be 9 months after they opened the anni website but SE already has asano team stuff coming and is clearly winding up for revealing VIIR3
I would be unsurprised if there's nothing to be announced, as people gave up hope as quickly as they noticed they were suddenly shilling IX everywhere both times it happened (gachashit and dawnshart) and have basically already forgotten about it. Would also help ease franchise fatigue since we have had a major-ish FF game released basically every year since Remake first hit PS4 (Intergrade, Strangers, XVI, Rebirth, IC)

Eh the problem with a FFT postgame is that the systems start falling apart as you get close to the end, they clearly didn’t give a fuck about balancing some things

>>723001389
nah japanese devs are just incompetent at balancing or just incredibly stubborn, they either get lucky with it or they don't. it's not like they aren't opposed to it because this release did get balance changes.

>>722998507
they waste it on stupid shit and they want their profits to increase forever

>>723001118
This line of thought is why so many games have content that's at odds with what 'feels' right for the game, and I dislike that kind of tacked on 'content'. Dragon Quest 8's postgame centers on a mystery that wasn't resolved in the main game as an example, and you could choose to just end the game or check out the post game.

>>723001472
The problem is that TIC definitely wasn't worked on for years, so the team would have had to pick what to prioritize. No matter how fun FFT is it's a complete nightmare to balance and made worse when they want to attract newfags too, so I preferred them expanding on the story.

>>723001696
>so I preferred them expanding on the story
probably would rather say expand on the world, because the story really doesn't need any more exploring

>>722998507
remembering all the way back to the tomb raider reboot series on xbox they were disappointed with sales despite the fact that the 3 games sold 30 million+ copies combined together

>>723001826
Depends, they did expand on what actually happened to Elmdore and now we know why he ended up as a Lucavi. I'm also curious about whether it was really Queen Ovelia who tried bringing Orinas back and ordered Queen Louveria's execution.

EMBRACE INEVITABLE END
NIBELUNG VALESTII

buncha milkslop churls ITT desu

>>722995489 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iokWRq8pkF0
>FFT Cloud is actually a clone of FF7 Cloud

>>723003364
the english dub is so damn bad

>>722995489 (OP)
No WOTL made the sales much, much lower than they otherwise would have been.

>>723003907
I only got this because they excluded the WOTL content lol.

>>723003907
probably like a good 95% of the people that bought this game care about or even know wotl content exists stop coping

>>723004770
Personally, Dark Knight and zombie Argath just made me mad.

>>723003907
Only Dark knight is worth a damn, and at best Gaffgarion's skill will probably get modded into Ramza's move list.
Everything else is a nothing burger.

>>723004927
>Worth a damn
>Going against everything in the story

As an enlightened man, the biggest loss from WoTL was the extra Beowulf/Reis sidequest

Great re-master, i was just playing it. I want tactics A3 for the switch. That is what I wanted until they did this remaster and now I am happy.

>>722995489 (OP)
Square Enix Holdings Co., Ltd. doesn't have money like other game companies. It's a very, VERY poor company. $5 million isn't enough. Try $50 million. Then they MIGHT make a similar game in ten years. Not a sequel, just some asset flip like the critically-acclaimed Triangle Strategy or Various Daylife. Maybe if Square Enix made $500 million off of this, they could afford to contract with an actual game studio to make something. But it's SQUARE ENIX. You know they won't.

>>723000071
Woah, these are amazing graphics! For only $50??? What a great deal! I love remasters!

>>723005168
Was the free ROM worth $50?

>remaster game
>remove content from re-releases
why is this so common?

>>723005079
>Going against everything in the story
Ramza being a dark knight works as an antithesis to Delita.
Dark Knight is seen as cold and dishonorable yet Ramza stays virtuous no matter what while Holy Knight is seen as pure and honorable yet Delita is a manipulative jackass

>>723005569
Because most remasters in the past had tacked-on shit. WOTL's cutscenes were nice but what they added was fluff compared to TIC's revised dialogue.

What is the point of Archer? I fuckin' hate it. It's not a fun job.

>>723005745
enemy archers can be absolute menaces, but I've never been able to make one work, it will always underperform

>>723005569
back then devs added content to make people double dip. Now they know people will buy it anyway even if it's less content.
It's a shame too because it had some post game tier stuff to keep you grinding to Lv 99.

>>723005669
You do realize that "revised dialogue" is the exact same dialogue that WotL had right?

>>722995489 (OP)
Dont talk about sale, you're going summon Barry in here.

>>723005667
>Dark Knight is seen as cold and dishonorable
Retard, you need to kill twenty human enemies to even qualify for the job. KILL.
>Yet Ramza stays virtuous no matter what
Because he abandoned being a knight in name in order to stay true to those values, double retard.

>>722997187
It got two sequels

>"You cannot kill me. Do you know why? The flesh remembers, Rapha. It remembers fear, cold and trembling. But it will not always be so. In time, your fear will blossom into another flower - and I shall have that one as well."
that dialogue is fucking brutal, shame it was nerfed for the remaster

>>723006008
Ah yes, point me to Orlandaeu having a conversation with Zalera before this.

>>723006456
>Orlandaeu
Its Orlandu. Spell it right.

>>723005745
zettai ryouiki

I've been hard addicted to this game and I've forgotten how much I liked FFT (I played WotL back on psp). It would be cool if SE made a new one but I don't know if they could pull that off nowadays.

>>723007562
same, it's addicting to grind a lil and push the story, before i know it, it's like 8 hrs of straight play

>>723005812
I think it's partly that the story battles are often designed to give enemy archers a bit of an advantage with their height/range

Though it is kind of cool when you get to do a bit of it yourself, like the fight with Algus at the end of chapter one(if you climb the tower next to ramza you can shoot all over the battlefield)

I’ve heard that Aim now works with guns in the remaster, is this true? Can you basically turn an Archer into a true sniper with Equip Gun as a support?

>>723008775
I thought it always worked with guns?

>>723008775
Aim always worked with everything I think
You can have a ninja “aim” and get bonus damage on the sword swings

>>723008875
It did. People are retarded.

Modern FF abandoning jobs is worse than abandoning turn based battles to be honest

>>723013270
trvth nvke

>>723013270
Doesn’t XVI have jobs? I don’t think they’ve dropped those
Tbh I’ve heard XVI is good I just don’t really care

>>723013431
It does not have jobs.
Also it is not good.

>>723013270
big fact, moving away from iconic jobs like warrior, thief, white/black/red mage etc... is instant recognition and nostalgia loss, so stupid

>>722995647
100% we are seeing a remaster ffta/ and a new tactics game, be it to2, fft2 or chewbaca 2 tactics.

>>723013782
>>723013270
i genuinely think an ff game with the combat of the 7 remakes, the story of fft, and an actual job system would do outrageous numbers but square is retarded

>>722995817
Japan and skorea are low wage countries.

>>723014021
I think an actual sequel might be coming, because why would they bother explicitly confirming that Prince Orinas escaped otherwise?

>>723014048
We need honest stories written by people who are writing something they believe in, not another cynical attempt at delivering normalfag approved pig feed like FFXVI was.

>>723014847
This, mashing together incompatible systems is how you end up with expensive dogshit no one wants.

I've been thinking about getting this but I had FFIII for NDS and hated the job level grinding. Will I enjoy Tactics?

>>723015385
emulate the psp or ps1 version to see if you like it

>>723014167
Obviously. They called it chronicles for a reaosn
There might be a prequel, maybe even as gift for ffta2 package. Ramza as 4 year old fookin' skull bashing angels and demons with black magic diaper diabolo shrapnels. Who knows?

>finish chapter 1
>get 3 units at level 8
>everyone else is at level 4 except for Ramza
bro I'm cooked, now I know why the Argath fight felt like such bullshit

tactics did not sell well lmao

what's the lore behind this fight

>>723015609
Level barely matters. Most of your stats come from equipment
unless you do turboautistic grind for 99 hours nonsense

>>723015691
>high def unit can lower def of other units
Whia

What would be an offensive ability that scales mainly of def? Tackle?

>>723016008
I didn't think there was a defense stat?

Kind of wish they’d do an Ogre remaster/collection
TO has such a kino story and I know there’s overlapping plot elements across the Ogre series

>>723015691
you know, there's something about seeing the 2 of them frozen and squaring off that makes this battle seem more epic than it is

>>723015691
I remember that fight
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think in War of the Lions you automatically get an option to recruit the guy at the end if he's alive too.

>>723015691
is there any way for the knight to win this fight without your help?

>>723017229
I should think not, else why make it an encounter the player participates in?

>>723017229
He has to get very lucky with repeated shield blocks

>>723017281
novelty value I suppose.
It could seem interesting to hang back and see how he does, or fiddle about to see how much help he needs to win.
I guess it really does come down to novelty value, it's not like you really get much challenge or reward out of that fight

>>723016148
Isn't there physical defense? What's the stat armor has?

>>723019135
Armor typically increases max HP
Your defensive options are shields and capes, which give chance to evade physical attacks

>>723015691
>Lvl 76
>only has Rend Helm
this is the problem and my biggest gripe with this remaster, why were the devs so lazy and didn't touch the enemy builds at all? giving them some extra JP and abilities would've been amazing, even without tinkering with the existing AI

>>723019135
There is no defense stat. The only damage reduction comes from certain abilities or buffs. Armor only gives HP or other basic stats.

>>723019273
I remember now. It has this strange faith brave formula for damage reduction.

>>723005082
those characters seemed total random

>>723019641
Brave and Faith do not influence incoming damage.

>>723019463
It was the biggest issue with the game and it was left untouched, even after deciding to add a hard mode they just took it the laziest direction possible.
>>723019641
Br&Fa have less to do with damage reduction and more with how much damage you do, similar to a strength or magick stat. Faith less so because it actually can decrease the damage you take from Faith-based spells so I guess that counts.

>>722995489 (OP)
The fact they have not even tried to make another FFT game in 30 years tells you all you need to know, they are fucking retards, do not give them money.

>>723015609
>>get 3 units at level 8
>>everyone else is at level 4
how many units are you even using? most battles until the end of Chapter 2 only let you bring 4 total, including Ramza. I never bother training more than 3 generics per playthrough.

>>722997636
>>723006371
That's like saying FF12 is a sequel to FFT.
People want a true sequel, not "Ivalice Chronicles" slop.
What they don't realize is SquareEnix doesn't have the talent, skill or ability to make one and it would just be shit anyway.

>>723020375
Triangle strategy or tor? Se can hire teams, if necessary.
Pretty confident that we will see a new tactics game within years, unfortunately I'm not convinced it will be a good entry.

>>723019840
But newest thing.... the voice acting tho....

>>723019729
How much magic damage a unit takes is directly tied to their faith. Wdym?

>>723020984
Not all magic damage but yeah.

>>723020348
1 archer, 1 black mage and 1 white mage but I had to get new white and black mages at some point after actually looking at their faith stats

>>723020984
low faith bros wya

>>723020348
NTA, but I think you get to use 5 units(including Ramza) when there's 2 guests(though there's the odd exception like the 1st Wiegraf fight).
I remember I'd get surprised/annoyed when Algus left, because I'd then have to use one of the characters I hadn't used since the 1st battle and who was lagging behind.
After that, I usually made a point of rotating between 4 generics until the special characters started showing up

>>723021407
shit, sorry I meant you get to use 4 units when there's 2 guests and 5 when there's 1

Look at me
I'm Elmdor now

why is delita such a dick?

>>723021476
what's with Ramza's colour scheme?

>>723021760
Paypiggy option

Radd>Ladd
Alicia and Lavian 4 ever

>>723021705
he's chudcoded

>>723021705
ambition

>>723020984
The difference is the damage is not reduced. It is not damage reduction.

>>723021705
REEEEEEE TIETRA

>>723021812
huh, neat.
I always thought it was a pity you never got to use any of those cool alternate colour schemes you see in the game

>>723021705
being party to the plot puts him under a lot of stress.

How much grinding do you have to do to keep up with the game? Apparently there's like a bossfight that's a newfag filter and I want to be ready.

>>722995489 (OP)
They're just going to squander the money into a lackluster project that's the OPPOSITE of Square fans want for the sake of the wider audience. (and further go into budget purgatory)

>>723021839
I think that was "Rad"
But yeah, it was a much better name

>>723022158
very little, you just need a decent sense of how the game works, and keep an eye out for good abilities

>>722995489 (OP)
Really? The player count was already kinda low to begin with, and now after just a week it’s down to half?

Yeah, that doesn’t look good at all.

>>723022215
Did anybody test some old glitches yet?

>>723022014
I wonder if there’s an autism list of all the palettes you never see in normal gameplay, like I’m pretty sure there’s a bunch of Northern Sky and Glabados units you’ll never fight against

>>723022397
Steam charts should be a banable offense.
FFT is a single player game. Player counts will drop off as people finish the game.

>>723022397
>bot spacing

>>723022158
the story enemies arent scaled, so if you notice you are falling behind, do a few random battles

that being said, the newfag filter will filter your ass

>>722995489 (OP)
I'd like a sequel but keep it in the same retro style as FFT

>>723022549
>>723022325
how do I not get filtered by the filter then?

>>723022325
Always thought fft>to, now I see it like that
>fft<

>>723022598
You can't. You will get filtered and you will adapt or quit the game.

>>722998867
Investing in stock doesn't create developer experience, test product market alignment, or build brand awareness. Number people are the dumbest fucking assholes on earth.

I got to know if I'm just a pleb or what but is the knight class kinda ass compared to other melee options? I never cared for the equipment breaking when just hitting them with a monk or ninja seemed to do better damage

>>723022598
The "filter" is only infamous because in the original if you were a retarded 6 year old and only saved in one file you could softlock yourself, they put in preventative measures for that in the remaster

>>723022397
Anon is right, most people played it through same day. Hardcore fans.

>>723022694
Knights are kinda ass yeah, like it's possible to make them good but it's easier to make other classes gooder

>>723022694
It's not very strong. But it can equip stronger swords and heavy armor. I prefer stealing gear over breaking it though...

>>723022598
keep an eye out for the Chameleon robe in chapter 3

>buffs can miss
are you for fucking serious rn man

>>723022694
you're pretty on the ball. Their abilities can be useful, but most of the time you can kill enemies in 2~4 hits, so there's not that much point in trying to wreck their stats or equipment with abilities that often miss.
Having said that, I do like using their abilities with guns

>>723023264
Revives can miss too

>>723023264
God does not answer the unfaithful

>>723023264
can't haste me

>>723021705
It's kind of the point of the whole story, that being a backstabbing prick is how you get to the top. Being altruistic and saving the world gets you branded a heretic and your friends burned at the stake.

>>723022694
Rend speed is hella underrated and very useful in all kinds of situations. JP farming and rend the last guy down to 1 speed so he never gets a turn and you can farm faster. Rend bosses like construct 7 or elmdor down to 1 speed so you can take your time stealing their gear or finding treasure, etc.
But yeah in scenarios where you just want to hit someone to death they're outshone by jobs like monk and ninja.

so does everyone just reset the game if your good shit gets stolen/broken or a unique unit dies?

>>723023356
>get cure
>save the rest of my JP for Reraise
>get into battle with Reraise and cast it
>miss

>>723022694
yeah, knights are not really for damage primarily. their class ability is good to put on as a secondary, though. like a unit with a bow or a gun breaking equipment from a distance, or a Ninja using speed break to reduce an enemy's speed by 4 if both attacks hit.

>>723022694
They're kind of more effective as enemies, because when you break equipment, it's a one fight effect that is usually outshined by 'just fucking kill it instead'. When your equipment gets broken, that shit's infuriating.

The new Agrias x Gaffgarion dialog is so retarded. Half the knights in this world are female and no one said anything before... why the fuck would modern day feminist talking points even be made in this world? This pulled me out of the game so hard. Why would they add this bullshit? Is this in the original Japanese or is it a localization fail?

>>723022694
>>723023338

on the other hand, knights can be a real pain in the ass to fight against because of their rend/break abilities. That's one thing that feels more of a detriment for the player than the AI

>>722998507
>as someone not in the loop, can someone explain to me why SE is always disappointed with their sales numbers?

Bloated budgets. FFVII rebirth can have as many Indians as they can afford to convince the shareholders it was a massive success but if spent 200 million making the game they need 4 million copies sold just for the amount of budget, risk, and dev time to start even looking worth it.

Also get some standards man

>>723023356
nothing matches the rage of trying Raise, seeing it has an 85% to succeed, then having it fail 3 times in a row

>>723023693
>mfw cloud gets unique dialog now

>>723023545
>magic can miss
>needs mp to cast
magic is so cucked in this game compared to physical attackers to say nothing of holy knights who have it all - ridiculous physical scaling, spell like aoe with no casttimes that can't be evaded or dodged in any way. I know calculators are a thing but they're the one exception and they don't even interact with the mp system and cast everything for free.

>>723023514
Personally, I always liked Rend Speed on a ninja

>>723023693
You are just scared of a strong woman old man!
I didn't like it too

>>723023715
>Two swords
>One scabbard

>>723023693
This has literally always been part of the notEurope setting

>>723023857
I dunno, I found magic more useful than physical attacks early in the game

>>723023926
The worst part is the grip on that sword jesus

>>723023693
I wonder if the line is similar in Japanese.

>>723023693
>muh strong independent woman
>agrias is the worst holy knight in the game because they scale off PA and females have worse PA scaling than males
>dark knight doesn't exist so only males can get move+3 in this remaster
>all the op perfumes that used to be female exclusive are now unisex
it's kinda funny contrasted with how blatantly sexist the game mechanics are

>>723023926
isn't the scabbard too small for the swords anyway?

>>722998692
>Tencent ownership
you have no idea what you're talking about

>>723023693
Yeah, it's pretty bad. A lot of the new dialogue is just taking already established character traits and beating you over the head with them. For example, Wiegraf's exchange with Agrias in Orbonne is just "I hate you because you come from money!" The background on House Oaks is welcome though.

tldr nice and all wheres the crack

Why does meliadoul have a level 6 dancer job?
What are the implications?

>>723023693
I feel that conversation is more about gaff being a commoner playing the hand he's dealt, and agrias having the freedom to choose knighthood. The awkward dialogue doesn't help.

>>723024013
Yeah this dialogue never made sense. Just pick a job you dumb bimbo.

>>723024013
>Alma saying this despite Aegis being the best protection spell in the game
BITCH SHUT UP AND JOIN MY PARTY

>>723024309
Peak female form

>>723024369
Ovelia too. What are they teaching them over at the monastery man.

>>723022397
>people play a single player game beat it and stop playing
OH THE HORROR

>>723024457
>Ovelia joins your party as a guest
>Leaves before you even get another battle

What's better for ninja, equip sword or attack boost?

>>723024642
brawler

>>723024642
Honestly...

>>723024732
>>723024806
isn't it better to put dual wield on monk if you wanna do that because monk has higher attack than ninja?

You know, I suspect Arazlam's probably seen as a crackpot in his own time, rather than a respected scholar

"no, you see, this respected historical king was actually a fake, and the real hero was this obscure historical figure who fought demons that the Church accidentally summoned with magic stones"
I can't imagine that went down well with people

>>723024604
fun fact: valmafra was supposed to be in a battle at some point but she became cut content

She was later in battle during the hardest wotl content only

>>723024837
bro is probably seen in the same light as a holocaust denier

>>723022397
I'm at the point where I'm convinced that unless it's Concord tier every single chart fag has to be Indian

>>723024829
>monk has higher attack than ninja
Barely. You get speed and movement. Monk is tankier though.

>>723024309
>late game addition who relies on physical attack power joins your party with most of the physical job tree already advanced (Dancer requires 5 Geo and 5 Lancer)
>already has Attack Boost (Geo), Move+2 (Thief), and Counter (Monk)
Did you also notice the Beowulf joins with Bard and Move+3 unlocked? And Cloud has Samurai and Shirahadori already? It's really nice not to have these guests be gimped when they're already joining so late.

>>723024312
Gaffgarion's a commoner.
Huh, I thought he was a knight

>>723024829
Ninjas have more PA growth

>>723025143
Naw he's a mercenary, though his job is called Fell Knight but that isn't a statement about his social class

>>723024837
>oh and by the way the papers I'm relying on to make my argument were actually written by my ancestor
yeah I wouldn't be surprised if his colleagues didn't take him seriously

>>723024604
well, at least she lets you take all her stuff
>>723024829
ninjas can get further attack boosts through headwear.
And they're faster

>>722995489 (OP)
Do I really want a sequel of Tatics (even if it's just Advance) from the modern day Square-Enix?

Probably not, they'll pretend they know what they're doing, and then mid to end development, they'll pick everything wrong with the modern Fire Emblem and escalate.

>>723025268
I remember that he's a mercenary, but I think his profile said he'd been a knight too, though he was booted out for being too rough

I just started chapter 2, my first time playing. Why are all the enemies higher level than me? Should I be doing something different or am I supposed to be like, level 6 when the enemies are level 8?

>>723025502
game is balanced around doing random encounters as you couldn't avoid them in the original versions, so if you're choosing to not do them you'll be a bit behind XP wise.

>>723025502
maybe the game expects you to get into more random battles?
A difference of one or two levels shouldn't make much difference, though

>>723025502
Whenever story missions outlevel you, it just means you gotta grind a bit
The remake added the ability to back out of random fights, so it's easy to be underleveled if you haven't been doing enough of those

>>723024312
>that conversation is more about gaff being a commoner playing the hand he's dealt, and agrias having the freedom to choose knighthood
His perspective is clearly more normative than that. Not to mention, Agrias brings up the fact that many of Gaffy's fellow mercenaries are women, so it's clearly not the point they're arguing.
>>723025486
Yes, he was part of the Order of the Eastern Sky, and got expelled.

>>722998507
Too infatuated with the glory days of mainline FF games making millions of dollars, completely disregarding how the market has got more saturated.

>>723025715
>pic
kek saved

>Zalbaag gets instagibbed by Dycedarg (Forma de Lucavi) in a cutscene
>This power doesn’t translate to gameplay
Damnit I hate that trope

>>723025634
>>723025652
>>723025686
I did every one that popped up naturally as I played and a few extra. Weird. Does difficulty have an impact on EXP gain?

>>723026132
The game isn't exactly balanced like that, I usually grind in the first area and throw stones at my own party while the enemies are injured and trying to stay away

I remember I played this game for years and didn't trigger the extra dialogue in the Queklain/Cuchaliann fight. It made the Lucavi introduction seem really weird, because there'd been no supernatural element in the story, then one of the characters turns into a demon and no-one reacts
>>723019075
>tfw I usually kill map specific friendly units because I pay 0 attention to their turns
you know, I think I did that to the Byblos first time I saw him in the Elidibus fight

>>723026132
>Does difficulty have an impact on EXP gain?
No but since Tactician reduces the damage you do you end up taking more actions to finish fights. So weirdly Tactician might level you "faster". In general hyper-offense teams miss out on a ton of exp.

Which classes do the most cc to enemies?
I want to slow down enemies and inflict status ailments and don't really care about big burst damage. Just let me slowly debilitate the entire field and pick them away.

>>723026401
cc?
I guess oracle/mystic, knight and time mage

>>723026401
Dancer. Add a mime for some spice.

>>723026401
oracle is all about status ailments, Time Mage has slow/stop spells too on top of stuff like Haste, Reflect and Float for your team.

>>723026401
Good skillsets are:
Knight
Mystic
Time Mage
Black Mage (toad)
Dancer
Special mention: Thief (charm) and Geomancer rng and stat reduction via stealing items

>>723024642
Attack Boost. Swords are not that much better than Ninja Swords, if at all. Plus, Ninja Sword damage scales with Speed, making it suited for Ninjas.

>>723026702
>Plus, Ninja Sword damage scales with Speed, making it suited for Ninjas.
oh right, I completely forgot about that.

How come all the characters are throwing out cool attacks like judgement blade and shit and all this nigga Ramza can do is default attack.

Do Elmdore’s fuckbuddies get any new dialogue? Always found it weird that they’re the only instance of demons shapeshifted into humans

>>723026831
Ramza gets the power to yell at things, making them faster.

>>723026831
Ramza has the most broken skills to never lose a fight.

>>723026883
Yeah if you kill them at the same time they mention how they will miss all the threesomes they had with their master.

>>723026831
Our Boy Ramza is about setting a good example, consuming calcium for strong bones, and getting to bed on time, not being a walking lightshow.

>>723026702
What sort of damage are you dealing with that anon? My Ninja seemed better off unarmed with Brawler for much of the game

>>723026401
>>723026505
Forbidden Dance is where it's at.

>want Ramza to have Blade Grasp and Two handed
>can't send him on tavern jobs
time for my least favorite part of every run, the samurai grind

>>723027026
>Yells at you to be better
>Steels your resolve to be brave
>Shouts to power-up like a supersayan
>Can cast Ultima as a lighthearted party trick
>Drinks product that comes from titties
I kneel...

>>723027203
It's funny watching my dancer Toad an enemy, and then the Mime following up to un-Toad that same enemy straight after. Thanks game.

>>723026505
anyone else find that a lot of the time when the Dancers do the status ailment dance, they'll turn a guy into a frog one turn, then turn them back the next?
Shouldn't the odds of that be rather slim?

Reflect doesn't reflect self casts right?

>Ultima Demons in Midlight’s Deep
That’s a new addition right?

>>723027407
It's part of the humiliation ritual

>>723027491
there's summoners with zodiark too so you can't miss it anymore

>>723027491
I'm pretty sure they're new.
I've never seen them before anyway

>>723003364
Call me crazy, but this looks like something you'd see in SaGa Frontier 2

>>723027130
Brawler is better for raw power. Changing it to picrel did ~550 per hit, whereas >>723026702 is about 375 per hit. I prefer building for speed since it's interchangeable with PA for Ninja Swords, and using the auto-haste perfume instead of bracers means she gets double turns pretty regularly.
Just putting on Bracers with the Ninja Swords build above makes it 450 per hit. Brawler is still the best if you only care about damage per attack.

>guest Agrias uses all sorts of white magic for me
>recruit her to the party
>she doesn't have white mage unlocked
??????

>>723028365
my ninja is a male so I guess I'm going brawler, though I guess I could swap one of Agrias' bitches to ninja but raising a new unit sounds like a pain in the ass.

gaff's blood sword... is it a must steal or can i skip it? playing on tactician

>>723028597
I'd consider it handy but not essential.
You can also get it by poaching those vampire panther things, I think

>>723028597
It's just a bit rare so skip if you don't want to bother.

>>723028597
It’s the closest thing you’ll get to Shadowblade for most units

If I give Agrias the blood sword will she heal off of stuff like Judgement Blade and Hallowed Bolt or is it just for direct swings? Her and Cid are gonna be my only sword users

>>723028365
>>723028553
This same Brawler build with the perfume instead of Bracers does basically the same damage (slightly more) as this build >>723026702 but with 4 less speed. The barehanded damage would also be better if her Brave were higher.
Plus yeah a female ninja going the PA route is not optimal.

>>723028879
Nope

>>723028949
ok not even gonna bother trying to get one then thanks

>>723028597
Not a must, but stealing it makes the fight a bit more manageable. Get his Night Sword off the table early.

Oh wow looks like it's time to alt+F4 again because a piece of equipment got destroyed! FUN!!!

>>723029093
if it isn't rare just buy a new one after the battle bozo

>>723023579
Seems like a waste of slots. Dual wield melee and OK let's goo

>>723023715
Haven't played fft, only tactics ogre. Break equipment means it breaks for good? Are unique items repurchasable?

>>723028448
huge miss. especially since the MA in her Holy Knight class is so high and her PA is so low? seems like she's being set up as a paladin, but then they make you do it yourself.
at least she comes with Lightning Stab learned now.

Is it worth the dosh? We need more tactics games

>>723029367
right now probably not, but as modders figure out the game more it might end up being the best version of the game. I like alot of the rebalancing and QoL stuff, and people are already figuring out how to unfuck the visuals. I'll probably buy the game on a steam sale down the line, emulating the switch version currently just to see for myself what they did

>>723029367
i mean its one of the best tactics games ever made, but you could also emulate it

>>723029367
Nah it's priced high for what it is. Wait for some major mod breakthrough to justify it.

>>723029367
After playing it for a while, no. Unless you really need the QoL stuff to enjoy the game then you're better off just emulating the ps1/psp version or pirating it

>>723029489
>I like alot of the rebalancing
I'm not against any of the changes apart from absolutely hating perfumes on males. But they really didn't rebalance that much stuff.

>>723029367
arguably, if you've never played it before and don't want to emulate it. as a veteran player, the QoL stuff was really nice, even if a lot of it (e.g. savestates and fast forward) was already possible unofficially. the new dialogue is hit or miss, same with the voice acting.
if you don't want to pay for it, the Switch version can be emulated. no shame in it.

>>723024964
>Cloud has... and Shirahadori
wait, is that a reference to how he killed Sephiroth in Nibelheim?

when are they going to sell the wotl content for $9.99

>>723029237
>Are unique items repurchasable?
Mayhap you forget you play a PS1 game ser

>>723029623
they made magic more viable outside of mathmagician, I'm out here casting bahamut in like 3 turns.

>>723029237
>Are unique items repurchasable?
no, they're gone for good.
Unless Ivalice Chronicles changes that?

>>723029742
>Unless Ivalice Chronicles changes that?
you "repurchase" them by loading the last mid-battle autosave.

>>723029725
>they made magic
It's mostly summons. Like 90% summons for some reason.

>>722998507
They spend a gazillion zennies and 9 years to develop a mediocre reimagining of VII and 5 billion on marketing in the hopes that they magically sell 12 billion copies to make up for the costs.

>>723029679
Possibly? Was Cloud being able to wear Ribbons when it was a female-exclusive item a reference as well?

>>723029867
It’s such a strange design decision too, Summoners were already one of the better classes

>>723029714
probably never cause it would involve them having to actually integrate it and balance it into the game

>>723029489
What emulator is running the game? Ryubing is stuck on a black screen on boot.

>>723030194
Yeah no clue. Maybe they were aiming to replicate the buffs for the US version but went with casting speed instead of power this time around.

>>723030326
Citron. turn off multicore CPU Emulation and it'll run perfectly fine. it's grayed out for me because I'm currently playing the game

>>723029867
Summons, Cloud's Limit skills, and Archers' Aim.
>>723030194
I think it was to make Summon more viable in the late game, when enemies get too fast to use it without Short Charge on. But yeah summons being even faster now makes them absolutely stupid early on.

>>723028448
When she escaped and left Agrias behind, she dropped the job.

>>723030136
>Was Cloud being able to wear Ribbons
yes.
stupid change

>>723030626
>Summons, Cloud's Limit skills, and Archers' Aim.
All just charge time reduction. It's very minimal and not exclusive to chronicles. I wanted them to rework charge to work like jump.

I like how Dycedarg is even more of an unapologetic jackass this time around

>>723029093
kek

lole

put in all this work to unlock ninja for ramza and it's... underwhelming

>>723032548
Maybe it will become better over time? Have you unlocked all abilities?
>>722995489 (OP)
I played tactics ogre. While I like the concept very much, the game is a bit gated due to level scaling and little item variety. Somehow the game seems bugged or the enemy ai rigged can't say for sure. Is fft remaster better in thst regard? Bit pricey, ain't it?

>>723032548
Jobs /v/ tricked you into unlocking

>>723032652
>I played tactics ogre
Reborn?

>>723031765
I am hard stuck on this fight. Any tips? I am pretty sure I can just rush elmdor and kill him but I want that sweet genji gear

Speaking of Ogre, I never see anyone talk about this one. Even FFTA2 gets brought up time and time

>>723033236
Kill demons, lower bravery, speedbreak

>>723033280
>I never see anyone talk about this one
KoL is very much loved

>>723032548
give him equip sword + the blood sword and proceed to melt everything while healing

>>723032878
Reborn, ye. Isn't it 1:1 the same game?

>>723032548
what is underwhelming about it? two attacks, ranged powerful throws, plus ungodly movement range and speed.

>>723033280
>>723033449
Is this tactics ogre 2? I thought they never released it? Having played 1, this guy reminds me of someone.

>>723033280
>>723034048
Googled it, awesome. You play as villain, how cool is that?

>>723033280
That game cover is sovlful as fuck.

>>723034020
Maybe Anon hasn't reached Chapter 3 yet. Ninjas stuck using daggers are kinda underwhelming. But yeah it's a pretty wild take.

>>723032548
Now get Martial Arts and boost your Bravery to 97

>>723028026
The little menu items in SF2 and FFT looks like the same artist made them. There is also some overlap in terms of tone but I am not autistic enough if there is some staff overlap.
Also FF16 took a whole bunch of plot points from SF2 too.

>>723034252
I mean you need 4 monk to unlock Ninja so you can make Ninja jacked before Ninja Swords are even put into play

>>723034374
Let’s be honest that interaction is extremely unintuitive no new player is going to recognize that is a thing

So... How does stat growth work? It's not like leveling as monk gives you Str or def? What's the meta here?

>>723034613
>meta
It's a single player game, you big fucking retard

>>723034613
Stat growths don’t really matter, by the time they have any impact you’ve broken the game over your knee. But Mime and Ramzas squire job have the best stat growths.

>>723034613
level up as a ninja for speed but it doesn't matter because this version of the game is missing the rendevous level 99 battles. No real point to stat max.

>>723034425
it's not that unintuitive, you see how good monk is at punching things for 4 job levels and you know how bad knives are for 5 job levels of thief. if you see that Ninja can only use knives at that point, the natural reaction is to learn some kind of equip weapon ability, and martial arts/brawler has a low JP cost and 0 gil cost. Stuff like brave affecting damage is unintuitive but just putting brawler/martial arts on a job you don't have good weapons for is very simple shit to figure out.

>>723034741
Big oversight, multiplayer would've been indicated and implementable. I'm saying, which class should melee units level as? Squire? Monk? Dragoon?

>>723034425
>Monk punch does a lot of damage
>Ninja hits twice
True. You'd need at least a double digit IQ to figure it out.

>>723034767
Got it. Does mastering a job add something to stats?
>>723034773
Are those like post game battles or what exactly are they? Should I play classic or the actual game on psx?

>>723034839
>>723034882
>I have nothing equipped
>that means I’ll attack with two fists!
Nobody thinks that

>Beowolf allowed me to chicken my 97 brave unit that I turned chemist since they had fly so they could fly up and grab the chaos blade with the ninja garb equipped while tanking and learning Zodiark all on turn 1
What a fucking chad. Orlanshit could never.

>>723034978
>skill lets me punch things
>other skill lets me swing with both hands
>I have two hands

>>723034976
Rendevous battles were a local multiplayer feature from WoTL on PSX, this version of the game doesn’t have WoTL stuff because WoTL wasn’t made by the original director and is kinda fanficy at times

>>723034978
Real retard hours, who up droolin' on they shirt

>>723034978
>Ninja has innate Dual Wield
>the game even tells you this

you fucking retard

>>723035004
Wow, I never would have thought of doing that.

>>723034874
if you care that much look up the stat growth, also if you are autistic enough you can delevel and fix a character

>>723033983
As LUCT? Not at all.

>>723034613
>It's not like leveling as monk gives you Str or def?
It gives Str and HP

>>723034874
Melee units go Knight/Dragoon for max PA.
Ninja for max Speed.

>999+ hours deleveling characters because "muh stat growth"
You guys don't do this, right????

I've played this game so many times but i always end up going back to dragoon in the end. Jumping on people from 8 tiles away never gets old especially when it bypasses evasion and leaves you invulnerable for half your turn.

>>723034976
rendevous was co-op on psp (can be emulated) it let you fight a lot of the story characters again including ramza, cloud, the princesses , the demons, etc. But they could cheat with gear and such. Look up the brave story mission, that is some straight BS.

>>723035060
>this version of the game doesn’t have WoTL stuff
Except you know, when it does.

>>723035350
If i ever reached the point where i was that autistic about stat minmaxing, i'd just hack them into the game directly because fuck doing all that manually.

>>723035183
This the mod...?

I think Square Enix would have reasonable success doing basic remasters like this where they just add voice acting to old Final Fantasy games like 6 and 9 and Vagrant Story.

>>723035263
>>723035342
I see. I reckon by the time the effect kicks in, it's useless anyway. Just as the other anon said. The abilites are mix and match, aren't they?

>>723035520
What mod. Just google some stuff I have no clue what you're confused about.

>>723035435
they were definitely picky and choosy on what to bring over

I killed Gafgarion but he didn't teleport out

>>723035573
Most things other than speed are useless. Classes that get their speed tier jumps early have a big advantage for a good chunk of the game.

>>723035641
he lays there until the end of the fight, THEN teleports away. its very weird

>>723035578
One vision is the mod and luct is the psp version. While we are at, just looking for other tactics games. Psp seems to be blessed with these.

>>723035681
bizarre change, he would teleport out mid fight before.

>>723035641
kek, you don't get to see his downed sprite at all

>>723035661
Archer and thief pump those, don't they?

>>722998507
Square Enix since literally forever has always had issues with giving games unlimited budget. In some way its kino of them to do that but its not really a sound business strategy. Deus Ex Human Revolution and Tomb Raider 2013 had huge budgets that required the games to sell fuck loads to make their money back. But even further back go look at the budget for FF7 on the PS1 or FF6 on the SNES or the movie Spirits Within or FF15. Square have always had issues with not understanding when to say enough is enough with the money spent on a project. Its a good and bad thing.

>>723035729
it's the only fight like that too. the future fights where enemies teleport away, they do it right away. Not ol gaff though. Maybe he's hoping for a phoenix down or something

>ninjas have innate dual wield
>samurai don't have innate doublehand
did they think it would be op or something, it's not like samurai is even that good as a primary job.

>>723035861
It’s just an oversight they didn’t want to change because muh authenticity

>>723035861
honestly samurai wouldn't even be that busted that way, it'd just make it somewhat stronger.

>>723035849
I might feed him a phoenix down myself just to try to steal his sword as a flex, I'm not even going to use it

>>723035836
Except for SaGa
Kawazu makes those games on the budget of a 7/11 sandwich, god bless him

>>723035914
then why'd they make teleport 3k JP

>>723035727
Reborn is different from the PSP (and OV) version. PSP has no level cap, random encounters instead of training battles, a resource like MP that you activate abilities manually, more ability slots and more abilities (a lot of useless ones), an extra playable class, a weird leveling system based on class levels instead of individual unit levels etc etc. It feels more like a jrpg you can grind and fuck around compared to Reborn trying to force you to solve level capped encounters with the tools you have.
FFT is more like LUCT, you can outgrind everything except random encounters.

>>723035861
Probably because you'd then immediately put Equip Sword or Polearm on two hand something that isn't a shitty Katana, which kinda takes away from the class theme. Samurai is absolute dogshit as a primary regardless

>>723035935
>>723035849
I revived him, he got a turn in talked some shit then teleported out.

>>723034874
>Big oversight, multiplayer would've been indicated and implementable.
WotL had multiplayer, both coop pve mode and a pvp mode. Legit shame that not only was it cut from the mobile version, but also from this one. The new battles in the coop mode were fun.

>>723035791
Archer has base speed. Thief gets speed growths but less than Ninja.

>>723036049
that's even funnier.

>>723036049
sounds like a bug or you killed him too fast kek

I'm convinced Square Enix is just secretly finicially supported by the Japanese government. How else are they still alive after all their constant sales failures?

>>723036137
Gachas.

>>723036137
Have you considered perhaps a game isn't a failure just because /v/ spams OH NO NO NO NO steamcharts threads about them?

>>723003364
Just thinking now. They should have added Jack Garland as a character in this remaster.

>>723036137
>How else are they still alive after all their constant sales failures?
ff14 and dq10 brings them a lot of money

>>722995489 (OP)
The woke chronicles

>>723035978
The devs realized women could use teleport to compete with Move +3 and women are supposed to be shitty in this game so they increased the cost to be basically unusable

>>723036338
How do you get this dialog? I have her in my party and I opened the gate but it didn't trigger.

>>723036338
Not my Agrias

>>723036338
I can't be bothered to use any of the special units, even if they come with new lines
Generic niggas 4 lyfe

>>723036380
It triggers as he loses hp

>>723036419
I'd replace Ramza if I could

>>723036338
people are going to spam this image for ages when it's literally just gaffgarion and agrias getting on each others nerves again

>>723036585
anything to keep the outrage mill turning

I love generics

I especially love Geochan and Samchan. I want to make her a samurai with white magic!

>>723036585
It is distasteful. They could be arguing about other stuff this does nothing for their characters.

>>723036629
white mage with samurai magic is cooler thoughbeit

>>723035641
i just had this fight, he teleported out as soon as he hit 0 hp

>>723036585
I need to also post the one where she talks about how she was raised as a man. I’m sure I can get some mileage out of that one too.

Wait.. does the Faith mechanic where characters leave if they go over 94 faith also affect monsters?
Will my Hydra leave to become the new pope if I raise his faith? What about my Treant wife? Pig slut?

>>723036661
>It is distasteful
explain how it's distasteful

>>723036671
I like the fem Sam sprite more and the portrait…also I want to finally use the same class instead of just grabbing the skills I want and ditching it…

>>723036731
I just did.

can i delevel ramza? i'm at the beginning of ch3 and he's lvl 18 and everyone else is lvl 14

>>723036259
Square Enix themselves say their games are financial failures more often than successes.

>>723036805
Steal EXP

>>723036805
yeah just go run over the delevling trap in the desert

>>723036759
based the femsam sprite is genuinely one of the best, it really makes me wish they did more balancing so samurai wasn't just used for it's skills

>>723036629
Mystichan is trying her best to look cute but I never see anyone talk about how fun the job is.

If I speak like the characters in this game in real life will people think im an asshole?

>>723036808
Not meeting expectations =! not turning a profit
If you expect to win $10,000 on a slot machine but only win $100 you still won

>>723036852
it's a very specific job that is really good at what it does and that's it. It's fun, but pretty fucking niche. Poles are fucking great, though.

I'm getting confused by the story of this game. Why did Goltana keep Ovelia in a dungeon if he wants her to be queen

>>723036805
Have you considered not being autistic
Your characters in this game will almost never be the same level

>>723036910
they do surprising damage for a caster weapon

>>723036943
because she's a flight risk

>>723036852
Im saving her for the next playthrough. Right now im enjoying knight/mystic. Blind shit, fury enemy casters then rend their power down as they miss ineffectual attacks and eat counters. 2h poles sound fun as fuck though

>>723036910
Doublehanded poles destroy things and let you focus on your MA

>>723036943
A calm discussion with Goltanna was overdue. Unfortunately Ovelia’s emotions got the best of her and she revealed herself to be a petulant child in need of a lesson in humility. Uncle Goltanna saw to that.

>>723036852
I love her giant bow

>>723037004
>fury enemy
>first strike reaction
They are as good as gone

>>723036852
Good enough M.Attack scaling
More movement than the other mages
Very useful debuffs if you cant get close enough to kill with IC's faster spell casts

Great main job for using Draw Out (best ability set in the game)

>>723037250
Is draw out really that great?

>>723036338
>buy the handbag right after this part
>equip it on agrias

>>723037324
aoe buffs with no cast time. or aoe damage/debuffs with no cost. they're pretty good.

>>723036661
It’s Agrias’s entire backstory. How does that not do anything for her?

>>723037324
The best part are the buffs and mass healing. Males with Magic Surge can get pretty scary with it after a few boosts.

>>723037324
Math is technically better I guess, but absolutely.

>>723037498
I refuse to use math skill this time…

>>723037498
equip chameleon robes on everyone and blast the whole field with holy, healing your guys and killing the enemy.

>>723037450
That was more with Wiegraf, which was tasteful. I'm sure you fail to notice a difference.

>>723036497
me too, I want to do a beast tamer playthrough

>>723037649
Please explain.

>>723037649
you cannot articulate the difference.

>>723037407
>with no cost
Except your wallet if you're unlucky.

I always found it funny that in WoTL, using math skills resulted in you always getting 0 rewards for the rendezvous stuff

>nooooo nobody is heckin sexist in this game
>Tietra is not trained as a knight because she’s a woman
>Alma laments being a woman because she also has been put in schooling rather than being trained to fight

You people are so fucking mindbroken

>>723037772
the sooner we learn to ignore the people who very clearly seeking attention by posting these same things over and over the sooner they stop

>>723037752
wait what? The wiki said you can't use arithmetik at all kek

I really wish FFT had gotten the Star Ocean 2 treatment. I don't know why that remaster was such a labor of love compared to the bare minimum we usually get.

>>723037684
>>723037702
One focuses on Agrias as a woman and not as a character, the other one focuses on house Oaks and argues the points about commoners vs nobles the game is about. Getting to see Agrias concede that people like Wiegraf were poorly treated is nice. Seeing Agrias claim how Gaff is fearful because a woman exceeded his expectations is lame.

>>723037742
god could you imagine losing Masamune that way?

>>723038165
Hmmmmm…

>>723036661
>>723037450
for me, Agrias and Gaffgarion's characters were already pretty well established in the original script: she's the the dutiful, self-confident, proper knight, and he's the brash, slightly chauvinistic veteran. their personalities clash, as they are meant to. the new Lionel dialogue, though, is too hamfisted. they have to stop the battle and have the characters spell it out for you. there's no subtlety to it anymore, and that's to the detriment of the characters. and to have it be the battle where Gafgarion is killed off? just kind of a low blow.

>>723038234
People will refuse to see it because to them it's either an attack on the remaster (god forbid) or they view it as people playing politics (some idiots are).

>>723036886
Just live at the Renfaire, you'll fit right in.

>>723038702
Those aren't growths.

>>723038702
Think those are the multipliers not the growths even if they are useful to know

>>723038702
>stat multipliers

Friends I’ve realized something. Auto potion is too strong

>>723036338
I am so fucking tired of this bullshit in videogames, dude. I cant even express how much I hate this shit. I have feminism fatigue to such a degree that I don't even want to see women in videogames anymore. It's not sexist to acknowledge women are weaker than men, physically. Women in combat roles is simply just unrealistic. It's stupid. It does nothing but beg these retarded comments from the writers who have an ignorant worldview of physical sex differences.
How did we even get here, man? Why are people so fucking braindead now? People legitimately think women being protected in the past was oppressive sexism and that women can combat men if we just weren'tso toxic and sexist... since fucking when and why is this even considered sexist to say? I hate it here.

>>723038882
does this game use hi-potions and stronger if you run out of 'potion'? common FF busted thing

>>722995489 (OP)
FFT it's different because its a pretty small scale game in terms of presentation. So its not in the same place as lets say FF15.

>>723038973
Yes. You don’t even need to know hi-potion

>>723038923
It’s even worse. Agrias blathers on and on about how she was raised as a man after the male heir of her house died and about equality of the sexes and how gaffgarion is just an old fossil

How early can you get a Behemot in this game???
Please don't say chapter 4...

>>723036091
Is Archer useless? Maybe I'll make a fun playthrough, just magic units or ranged only. What are some interesting challenge runs. Are there bombs, for item only?

>>723038882
A lot of skills are "too strong" in this game. That's what makes it fun. The truth is, nothing is too strong in a single player game. The AI aren't people so fairness doesn't really matter.

>>723038882
add defense boost or magic db then protect/shell perfume
you can tank most things

>>723038702
>sank you anon San
What exactly are they? Multipliers seem like they aren't stat growth per level.

>>723039119
It's all so tiresome. When will this shit end?

>>723022507
so was wukong you dumbass

>>723039209
Archer isn't useless but easily outclassed.
An interesting challenge is one where you limit yourself. No named uniques, no clearly overpowered abilities, less units on your side, no assassination missions etc.
Ninjas can throw bombs and shurikens but it's not that much fun to base a strategy around.

>>723039403
>assassination missions
I do all the other, usually one unit less, never uniques, never press x to win. How tedious is utility mage only? Cleric, idk time mage aso?

>>723039274
Multipliers are how your stats are raised or lowered just by being a certain job. They have nothing to do with stats gained during level ups.

why the fuck do people shill ff7r combat so much. like seriously what the fuck am i missing in that shit

>>723027026
ramza gets it

>>722997187
I rather he make a new game, than a sequel. FFT is pretty self contained.

>>723038702
>>723039274
Here's what you're actually looking for, although it isn't as pretty looking. Keep in mind that lower means better.

>>723038702
I could've swore oracle had 4 move

>>723039479
>How tedious is utility mage only?
As a unit or as a whole team? You have to be more specific.

>>723039573
God Thief vs Ninja is sad. It should be switched.

>>722995647
fucking this and anyone who thinks otherwise is the real-life version of the "buy product and get excited for next product" meme

>>723033236
Savescum with orator's CT=0 skill

>>723039573
So,
Squire - Outclassed
Chemist - Outclassed
Knight - Best HP/PA balance
Archer - Outclassed
Monk - Best HP
Thief - Outclassed (+1 HP isn't worth it over Ninja)
Geomancer - Most Balanced if you also need MP
Samurai - Outclassed
Ninja - Best Speed
Dancer - lol
Bard - lol
White Mage - Geomancer but more MP for less PA
Black Mage - Outclassed
Mystic - Outclassed
Time Mage - Outclassed
Summoner - Best MP
Orator - Outclassed
Arithmetician - Outclassed
Mime - God

>>723039573
Why do the devs hate Magic Attack so much

>>723040230
iirc you can level up as a good one, delevel as something shitty to become god

>>723040256
They just didn't balance it around growths, they don't hate it.

>>723040256
Well mages are good in chapter 1 and that's probably the general level of play they originally tuned the game around. Everything you can do past that to break the sandbox is just a bonus

>>722995489 (OP)
Is this just a remaster of an old game? Why is everyone talking about it?

>>723040480
new games suck so this old gem stands out.
It's one of those games that is fun to do a playthrough from time to time.

>>723039119
i kept agrias in the main squad to finish out chapter 2, idk if i want to bring my generic back

Sometimes I wonder how much Archer as a “class” actually sucks (it’s multipliers for base stats, it’s growths, job abilities, etc.) and how much is it really that bows just suck shit, even the strongest bows do way too little damage by the time you get them

>>723040368
Sure but that's besides the point. If you don't plan on doing that and want to maximize your level ups besides Mime then:
Knight/Dragoon for PA and HP
Monk for max HP and some PA
Ninja for max Speed
Geomancer for melee with some MP
White Mage for caster with some staying power
Summoner for full MP hungry caster

>>723036338
I thought I told you to turn up the brightness are you playing this on a Steam Deck?.

>>723040720
Both suck or are painfully average. Surprisingly Aim isn't that much dogshit. I like it more than Throw at least. The class needs a slight speed buff (which also indirectly buffs bow damage)

>>723030728
Kek, I meant Ovelia.

Next time I play the game I will have Boco land the finishing blow on Wiegraf/Belias

>>723040807
Yes! Steam deck!

>>723040480
yes
because the game is excellent and even if you aren't playing the remaster it's fun to talk about

>>723003364
>Every copy of Cloud is personalized

Anyone else notice this? They censored NOGIAS and MLAPAN.

>>723041467
woke

I think the addition of voice acting made me realize how insane Ramza sounds to other people
>N-no, I didn’t kill the cardinal! The STONES had DEMONS in them, you got to believe me!
Like we know he’s telling the truth but it’s hilarious how he would rightfully sound like a schizo to people not in the know

>delita framed one of goltanna's ministers for the kidnapping with a fake POW
>i wouldn't have realized this from the cutscene if i didn't read the brave story
I'm too low IQ for this game.

>>723022710
Im 26 years old and I just did that yesterday
I had to reload a save state from 6 hours ago so it wasnt that bad

>>723041783
>6 hours
>not that bad

Are dragoons that bad? Holy lance seems cool from an RP perspective

He didn’t have much screentime but I liked Elmdore’s speech before transforming, dude feels like he walked out of a Castlevania set

>>723042097
This is a better lancer.

Should I try Midnight's Deep?
Seems pointless but cool

How are the people starving when it's so easy to breed animals? I've kicked out more birds from my party than I've killed people in this game just doing tavern missions

>>723042401
It's basically endgame content, except you can do it before the final sequence of battles. Some of the best items can only be found with Treasure Hunter in the Midlight's Deep, not that you need them to make your team overpowered.
It is kind of tedious because to progress you have to find the one specific square in each level that opens up the next map. They're usually towards the opposite end of where your team starts. Wouldn't blame you for wanting to skip it.

I like the story but its kinda laughable as a tactics game. Even on tactician mode the nearly all the fights pretty much ended in 1 or 2 turns just murdering everything or the main boss and the final boss was a joke that stun locked itself by normal attacking a unit that was constantly revived by a phoenix down.

>>723042401
Some of the best gear in the game comes from there, the arenas are cool, you can learn zodiark there, take your pick.

>>723040480
This is one of the best videogames ever made.
The remaster has added voice acting and QoL features that make it worth a replay.
And even if you're like me and don't buy remakes/remasters it's still fun to just talk about this awesome game.

>>723042570
>try to eat your Red Chocobo
>it BTFO’s you with a meteor

I don't respect jobs that exist only for one skill.

>Want to get move+3 on my melee units
>Need to go through the mage classes just to get bard
Which retard designed this?

>>723042664
skill issue on the side of the peasant class but the armies should have no problem killing their birds for food

>>723042598
>the final boss was a joke that stun locked itself by normal attacking a unit that was constantly revived by a phoenix down
huh, I wonder if it's bugged because I noticed that as well. Ultima absolutely would not stop targeting Alma. She even wasted her first turn casting Dispelja on her to get the M-barrier off. She used Grand Cross maybe once.

>have a heartwrenching fight with zombie Zalbaag
>next cutscene opens up with the pope hacking his guts out with a sword lodged in his back
fuck I laughed

>>723042852
move 2 is plenty, bard having move 3 is fine and is a good incentive to unlock it

So how many babies did Ramza and Alma have in the end?

>Move+3 & Germinas Boots
I am MOVING

>>723043076
She was pregnant every day until she hit menopause

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bDYp4N2icZU
I miss my nigga like you wouldn't believe.

is Treant a random spawn in Araguay woods? i've fought 3 battles there so far and no Treants have spawned

>>723043190
I feel like Balthier’s Barrage is something that the Archer desperately needed for an ability, those dudes can’t even keep up with Chemists rocking pistols

>>723043216
Try approaching from a particular direction and getting a random encounter, I don't think searching for fights can get you all the encounters in a tile

>>723043216
Yes, but you have to enter from Dorter.

>>723043110
>not just taking the teleport gamble like the japs intended

>>723043436
>Start fight with Elmdor
>he immediately teleports like 15 spaces into my team
Fuck off cheater

>>723043550
Nothin personnel.

>>723043550
Oh no, now you can more easily abuse the retry and auto saves to brainlessly steal the genji equipment, how awful...

>>723036338
This makes Agrias look like such a fool. As if Gaffgarion is afraid of her, or any woman for that matter.
>>723025715
If he felt this way why would he hire females into his mercenary band?
I hate feminism so much it's unreal.
Thanks for ruining two of the best characters in the game with this retarded drivel, you clowns.
>>723005082
Based. That was the only WotL content worth a damn.

>>723043550
he has super teleport or some shit, only he can have it afaik

>>723025715
I lost this battle and was forced to watch as he raped and impregnated my wife Agrias...