Thread 723004450

Boss and runback so annoying that when I beat her I didn’t want to play the game anymore. Do I miss on a lot of stuff?

I didn’t struggle with Hollow Knight except maybe with the watcher knights. But in Silksong the bosses are all really annoying with their double damage when Hornet has so little health. I also don’t like that most areas are hostile, I miss the comfiness of Hollow Knight.

>>723004450 (OP)
>Do I miss on a lot of stuff?
Hard to say, yes but also no. Ive played 60 hours of the game. 90% of the game is exactly the same from act 2 beginning to act 3 end. The only "differences" are superficial and appearance based, mostly story stuff, but some bosses are literally repeated and if they arent, then theyre the same theme of shit youve been fighting the entire game.

So it depends. Do you like HK for the simple shallow story, whos vagueness and obscurity carries intrigue? Or do you like it for the gameplay? If for the gameplay id argue its not worth finishing but thats me, be open to other perspectives.

>>723004450 (OP)
The game actually gets tougher from there.

>>723004450 (OP)
Seeing everyone bitch about this and then doing it myself and seeing the runback was basically nothing finally opened my eyes to how shit /v/ is at games

>>723007226
it's LITERALLY 20 seconds of basic platforming with 0 enemies.

>>723004450 (OP)
I DL'd the stake of Marika mod for her, and uninstalled it after, so far she's the game's biggest fumble by a wide margin: a very important boss ruined by her runback - imagine Margit without the tunnel grace prior, so you're approaching him from Roderika's shack every time.

>>723007575
The coral spitting flies and judge mobs mean you're LITERALLY retarded

>>723008071
>The coral spitting flies and judge mobs mean you're LITERALLY retarded
You can LITERALLY avoid all of these if you only looked at the environment and platforms a bit more.

>>723008071
>The coral spitting flies
can literally be run past
>judge mobs
just pogo on top of them once

I swear some of you people haven't realized you don't have to defeat every enemy you encounter on your way to the next screen.

>>723008769
>>723008354
From recognised the improvement to flow-states boss graces/stakes add to their boss fights, and were confident enough in their encounters to add them to their levels consistently. Cherry chose not to, because their boss fights are much more basic, so they need the runbacks and higher damage to build the same tension From can without breaking flow. I understand why they're a much smaller team, but that doesn't make it a good design.

I don't remember the judge being too hard. Easy to learn patterns and a large boss room. On the other hand, Broodmother is straight up annoying and unfun. Any tips for cheesing her?

>>723008071
>imagine Margit without the tunnel grace prior, so you're approaching him from Roderika's shack every time.
>imagine Elden Ring but with good game and map design
heresy, clearly

I hope you love runbacks.

>>723009535
Beat him on the first try.

>>723009535
I actually do love runbacks
You can farm respawning enemies right before the fight to at least go in with full health and silk

Every new game release is exposing the absolute state of how brain dead retarded and bad people are at games now, jesus

>>723008071
>I DL'd the stake of Marika mod for her, and uninstalled it after

>>723009535
I opted to run through the shit water and heal the poison right outside the boss room with the hidden silk. The climbing part was still awful, though. I love when one of those flies spawn right where you are jumping.

Even the best example runbacks to Last Judge are 40 seconds, that long enough to break flow - for a boss that can kill you in 3 hits in a game where memorizing animations is the most important component of a boss fight, at a point where the emotional immersion of the player is so important - it's no wonder the blowback against TLJ was so universal, just a bad call on TC's part that they've attempt to fix since.

>>723008970
There arent many games where retreat and reroute are options, it's always "If you can't beat the boss, its a skill issue." I can't blame anybody on getting hardstuck somewhere until they look up a guide on any part.

You can't think outside the box if you've never learned you are inside a box in the first place.

>>723004450 (OP)
>Do I miss on a lot of stuff?
You're out on like half the game, yes

>w--where the bonfire???
>I-If I die here I-I have to do t-t-the runback??
>OOOooOooOOOOoH, this is t-too much.
>guis, my hands are shaking. this is no g-g--good
You zoomies can barely perform under pressure. why don't you go ask your daddy mikezaki for a carebear instead, shitters

I didn't know there was a taunt button until I was 60 hours in.

>>723009535
>not using the secret bench
ISHYGDDT

>>723010693
Should have gone this way.

>>723004450 (OP)
just beat this morning
so far, the proceeding two hours have also been garbage. I should have dropped this turd around 4 hours in like I originally thought. don't keep falling for this meme.

>>723010693
fun fact: there's an even easier route than that, also you don't have to wait for the first bug.

>>723010693
>takes over 30 seconds
THAT'S LONGER THAN A TIKTOK!

>>723010693
actually the gayest runback and crest usage I've ever seen.

>>723011067
>mates
>gender not specified
She only sexed girls and therefore my wife is still considered a virgin btw.

>>723010693
And what does repeating this segment every time you fail the boss add to the game exactly?

>>723004450 (OP)
this was fine. bilehaven runback was worse.

>at the three melodies part
>still haven't beat Last Judge or Moorwing
I was trying to beat the game without doing so, but it looks like the Courier missions are set up to force you to beat those bosses

>>723011181
You get to practice platforming and problem solving. Also, it makes you WANT to defeat that boss, you shitter.

>>723011181
to watch you squirm under your own anxiety

>>723011228
>not beating the bosses during your deliveries
You didn't beat the game.

>>723009240
Stakes of Marika turned elden ring into boss rush simulator.
There is no satisfaction of figuring out a quick and efficient path back to the boss, no opportunjty to hide a shortcut for observant players, and no room for creative players to manipulate enemies to do what they want.
TC doesn't have them because they're not a bunch of hacks who think making every boss flashy and spastic is good boss design.

>>723010850
but I wanted to pogo the mob
t.reaperchad user

>>723011028
but I wanted to pogo the mob
t.reaperchad user

>>723011510
>TC doesn't have them because they're not a bunch of hacks who think making every boss flashy and spastic is good boss design.
they think gauntlets are a good boss instead

>>723011617
Not a boss but a different kind of challenge, can you handle multiple enemies? Can you kite them to create openings? Do you know which ones to prioritize?
Of course you're a souls shitter so you can't as evidence by DS2.

>>723004450 (OP)
For me, it was the complete opposite.
Was feeling kinda shitty about the entire thing the game was presenting but learning this boss and making the "runback" with zero effort thanks to learning all the key presses through muscle memory felt fantastic.
Game clicked here for me.

>>723011247
But I've already "solved" the platforming section. I'm trying to solve the boss. The two are unrelated. In fact it's obvious the devs made bosses easier than in other metroidvanias to account for the runbacks so you need to "problem solve" the boss less. You are getting a worse experience according to your own criteria.

>>723011805
>can you handle multiple enemies? Can you kite them to create openings? Do you know which ones to prioritize?
obviously as it's what I've already been doing for the whole game

>>723012036
>The two are unrelated. In fact it's obvious the devs made bosses easier than in other metroidvanias to account for the runbacks
LOL
All the bitching this game has garnered suggest otherwise.

>>723012036
"Run" "back"
>allows your heart rate to drop a bit
>warms up your hands
>allows you to think about strategy for some 20-30 seconds

>>723011617
Multiple different types of challenges are a good thing. If "bosses" are designed to test your skills and present you with a wall to overcome, there should be something similar for every type of skill in the game. Handling a strong enemy, handling groups of enemies, handling two less-strong-than-a-single-boss-but-still-much-tougher-than-a-normal-enemy enemies, platforming challenges, speed challenges, short duration high intensity challenges, longer, low intensity marathon challenges. These are all good things that have value and should be considered as valid options to put in a game to test the player.

>>723009535
If you died on this braindead easy boss quit videogames.

>>723011181
Disincentives the ER map design philosophy of levels just being glorified hallways in between boss fights

>>723012036
Get the fire damage charm if it's giving you so much trouble

fun fact during development they were referring to it internally as Runback: Silksong.

>>723012363
"Runback" is not a real word

>>723011617
>I-Is that----
>two common enemies??
>AT ONCE!!!!
>AAAIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>This si insane. w--what were they thinking? pay attention to both of them??? In THE SaME tIME???
>WHAT AM I SUPPOSE TO DO!!? THIS IS BULLSHIT!!!

>>723012462
neither is "silksong"

>>723010693
Do people really move this slow or was this just for the sake of demonstration?

>>723012513
Its a name, that's okay.

"Runback" just means you are a spastic, upset at being forced to play the game.

>>723013010
runback is a name too, for a particular thing that happens in the game
gonna cry about that?

>>723013010
In the this context Runback is also a name, you illiterate contrarian retard.

>>723012656
post your gameplay then we talk

>723009563
>723012310
Was it meant to be easy? I find this boss pretty challenging and I first tried judge, first sinner, widow, etc. It's mostly because of the 2 mask contact damage. Since he's floating around and he's massive I find it pretty hard to get close to hit him. If I try to pogo he casually floats slighty up and touches me for 2 damage. If I try to hit him face on, he decides to go for a swim or spits and fucks me up pointblank. The best I could think of is spamming the conches and other ranged projectiles and using architect charged attack for the range. It's too dangerous to get close to this motherfucker.

>>723013087
>>723013136
"Runback", the way you 'people' are using it, is not a real activity one can engage in.

Silksong is the name of a product.

>>723010693
>wanderer's crest
you didn't beat the game

>>723013278
Fucked up the replies
>>723012310
>>723009563

>>723013278
Sharp dart (or whatever it's called) ?

>>723013413
Is it good against him? I never use that.

>>723012215
What does it suggest anon? That people don't like runbacks because they add nothing to the game.

>>723012334
I didn't notice this "benefit" in other metroidvanias. Nine Sols, Grime, Blasphemous don't have glorified hallways between bosses and they have benches before boss rooms. I don't know about Elden Ring since I don't play rollslop so I have to take your word on it, but Elden Ring gameplay looks awful so it doesn't surprise me.

>>723013343
>wanderer
open your eyes and observe my girthiest cock(needle)

>>723013841
whatever, it's not the hunter so it doesn't count

>>723013537
Curveclaw + cogfly will delete him. You just save it for the boss, spawn all of your cogflies and spam curveclaw and nuke the boss before he does anything.

>>723014047
>didn't telepathically beat the game like everyone else
ngmi

>>723014140
That's basically what I did when I realized the boss and runback is too annoying to play honest.

I kinda wanna start again and force myself to run beast asp just to hurt myself

>modern game that actually has the balls to have high baseline difficulty and punish the player for playing poorly
>this makes the 2025 gamer seethe

>>723015201
I don't like that there isn't a new game plus option to start with all crests by default without mods. It would be fun to try the game with a singular one from the start, especially on steel soul.

>>723015508
>high baseline difficulty
>it's just contact damage
>remove that and the 3/4th of the bosses are harmless enemies spamming 1 thing at most

>>723016037
>remove a major game mechanic and it drastically alters the game
no shit sherlock

>>723016037
Yes anon if you apply absurd reduction and remove a major mechanic from any video game it becomes easier.
>FPS has high baseline difficulty?
>it's just bullet damage
>remove that and..

>>723016037
90% of platformers have contact damage and the game would be braindead without it you RETARD

Feels like the game is overtuned. And has too many arenas.
Wish it had more throwaway bosses without phase 3.

>>723013537
He's big, but this means you can pass through the entire arena without damage, while damaging both boss and adds

>>723004450 (OP)
Can't believe people were crying over this runback. You can literally jump over every single enemy

>>723007226
>>723007575
>>723008769
trvke
>>723008071
easy run

>>723004450 (OP)
Did you upgrade your needle? I completely overlooked that guy that does it and suffered for another 12 hours through the game before I found him.

>>723014047
Hey Hunter is my favorite Crest. So much so that I feel like I'm missing content because whenever I get a new Crest I default back to Hunter's

I really want to get used to Architect and Shaman's

>>723018164
>double jump

>>723015508
>tranimeloser thinks casualsong is difficult

>>723018650
you can repeat this without doublejumping, I only used it to enable the cloak

>>723018034
>Can't believe people were crying over this runback. You can literally run past every single enemy

missed an even worse and annoying runback on Bilewater

>>723004450 (OP)
Yeah, the next part is the best section of the game.

>40 hours in and i am nowhere near finishing the game
I mean, I am having fun but I feel embarrassed (I finished HK in abour 25 hours)

>>723018975
you didn't do the runback and it still look you nearly a minute

>>723020201
I wasn't speedruning, stop bitching

>>723020058
I'm the same. Honestly I'm just enjoying taking my time with the game

>>723020657
you weren't speedrunning and yet you STILL took an entire 10 seconds to set up a retarded pogo shortcut when you could have just completely ignored the conefly, ran past it, and it would have been way faster than the retarded shit you're doing there

>>723020058
Most people took around 50-70 hours to 100% Silksong. My first true ending ended at 89% and was a 59 hour run. Don't feel bad.

>>723020657
it's time to admit the runback is antithetical to the bossgrind, Cherry over-tuned and didn't test enough.

>>723021642
nta but I unironically enjoy the runbacks. I would have thought it a lesser game if it just respawned me in the room before the boss every time I died.

>>723015508
It got overhauled to become easier, right? From now on, I am negatively reviewing games that do this.
>make game that is well received by its target audience
>games journalists and streamers start clamoring about it
>their brainlet audiences buy it, play <2hrs, then immediately demand an overhaul to suit their tastes and preferred difficulty
>developers acquiesce and bend over backwards to slopify the game

It's essentially double-dipping, and it ought to be called out for what it is. It used to be that if retards were getting filtered, they might get a sequel that offered a more accessible experience while the original game would be left alone for the most part. But in the age of "live service," the original games are getting destroyed to appease shitters and maximize sales after the original audience has already spent their money. There is no way to go back and play an older version of Hunt: Showdown or Helldivers 2. They are gone - replaced by slop for retards.

>>723022145
It slightly nerfed too early game bosses and reduced the amount of rosaries needed for some early game benches by a very small amount.

>>723022314
ruined, I want to play a gay game, not a bisexual game.

>>723004450 (OP)
the judge was easy though? and the run back was braindead? i dont understand how anyone had issues.

whoever told me i needed all lockets to bind eva is a fucking retard. i still have lockets i need for the beast and shaman crest.

>>723018164
that looks like proper aids

>>723022145
why not skip the inbetween and just pay someone to kick you in the balls instead.

>>723018164
bilewater was where men were forged without the hidden benches, blasted steps was the tutorial

>>723018164
I'm convinced the people who complain about this runback played before the drillfly was removed from the part at 0:35

I don't consider myself that skilled as a gamer so I was dreading this runback after hearing all about it, so I was surprised it was super reasonable actually. After a few tries you can get through it super easily while avoiding all enemies, so it's no problem whatsoever.
Fuck Bilewater tho, jesus christ

>>723004450 (OP)
What a loser. I bet you didn't do a single shortcut in the runback

>>723025656
they actually patched that guy out? lmao

>>723021642
It's not inbred retard. That minute or so forces you to consider changing something up or go do some other thing when you keep on failing, which is a good thing to do most of the time

>>723004450 (OP)
Short answer, yes. Honestly if you're not planning to go back to the game anyway, install the rebirth mod that can respawn you at the start point of a map. The last judge was one of only two sections I felt the need to use it (the other being mount fay) because those are just trash game design. The rest of the game seems fine after you have enough upgrades.

>>723017080
Some bosses don't have it though?

>>723017313
>platformer
lmao now that's rich coming from hollow babies wanting to rename metroidvania into hollowvania
newflash, silksong has even less platforming than hk and it's way less difficult (even more with the nerfs in a patch), it's primary metroidvania (and most metroidvania do not have contact damage)

>>723017131
>comparing contact damage in a metroidvania to bullet damage in a fps
Are you retarded? Maybe it shows that the bosses are poorly designed? Meanwhile look at GMS, a fucking joke of a boss.

>>723008071
>The coral spitting flies and judge mobs mean you're LITERALLY retarded
There's two flies, both of which you can run past before they pop out, and if you're facing the judges it means you've gone the wrong way to even see the first judge in the area, and missed the little shortcut that takes you straight to the bells above the second judge, and the third judge is already fucking dead and is just a rusted corpse.

If you're fighting ANY judges on the runback you're an absolute fucking idiot, so thanks for confirming that you're an absolute fucking idiot.
You complete fuckwit.
You fucking buffoon.
But at least you're an honest idiot.