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Anonymous No.723007201 >>723007253 >>723007254 >>723007406 >>723007510 >>723007561 >>723008621 >>723008818 >>723009047 >>723011869 >>723013497 >>723013797 >>723014049 >>723016182 >>723020068 >>723020141
pot of greed
what does it do?
Anonymous No.723007253 >>723007354 >>723007558 >>723008758 >>723008804 >>723008856 >>723011738 >>723015539 >>723024116
>>723007201 (OP)
why is this card still banned
Anonymous No.723007254 >>723013664
>>723007201 (OP)
It Dougs.
Anonymous No.723007354
>>723007253
because nobody knows what it does
Anonymous No.723007406
>>723007201 (OP)
>draw 2 trannies from your rope
Anonymous No.723007510 >>723007601 >>723008134 >>723008572 >>723024537
>>723007201 (OP)
I got you, man
Anonymous No.723007558 >>723007646 >>723010290
>>723007253
Erm actually it's 33 points in genesys
Anonymous No.723007561 >>723007957 >>723008532 >>723011869 >>723023959
>>723007201 (OP)
Manifests in real life.
Anonymous No.723007601
>>723007510
kekd
saved
Anonymous No.723007646
>>723007558
card search is stronger anyways, fucking TCG bozos
Anonymous No.723007957
>>723007561
pot of yotei
ghost of greed
Anonymous No.723008134
>>723007510
Finally, after all these years, the answer...
Anonymous No.723008532 >>723008669
>>723007561
idgi?
Anonymous No.723008572
>>723007510
Modern Fire Emblem Heroes be like
Anonymous No.723008621
>>723007201 (OP)
this video explains it perfectly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUnPN385wLI
Anonymous No.723008669
>>723008532
Anonymous No.723008758 >>723008793
>>723007253
Because it doesn't have 2 paragraphs of qualifiers and side effects.
Anonymous No.723008793 >>723008883
>>723008758
Is it that rare to have a simple card?
Anonymous No.723008804
>>723007253
his teeth actually offends people

also blame battle city. kaiba decided it was too op.
Anonymous No.723008818
>>723007201 (OP)
Draw 2 badoinkos (20 sided die, from your die-deck)
Anonymous No.723008856 >>723010412 >>723024617
>>723007253
there is no mana in yu gi oh or energy, drawing 2 cards for free is just a free advantage to anyone
Anonymous No.723008883
>>723008793
It is now.
Anonymous No.723009047 >>723009237
>>723007201 (OP)
Pot of greed allows you to draw 3 additional cards from your deck.
Anonymous No.723009237 >>723009319
>>723009047
that's not how it works
Anonymous No.723009319 >>723009434
>>723009237
Roll my dice!! That is what it does.
Anonymous No.723009397
pot of sneed
Anonymous No.723009434 >>723009901 >>723009923
>>723009319
THERE ARE NO DICE
Anonymous No.723009901 >>723010830 >>723025163
>>723009434
You sure?
Anonymous No.723009923
>>723009434
wdym
Anonymous No.723010290
>>723007558
I wonder how many will use it in the end. There are so many inarchetype searcher by now, it might be better to shelf the Pot for a couple handtraps.
Anonymous No.723010412 >>723010573
>>723008856
Limit it to 1 then
Anonymous No.723010573 >>723010754
>>723010412
okay so now everyone has a 39 card deck
Anonymous No.723010754 >>723010885 >>723010902
>>723010573
You could just let the meta tailor itself around Pot of Greed, such as having cards that make you immediately trash extra drawn cards, counter spells or milling decks that thrive against smaller size decks.
Anonymous No.723010830
>>723009901
kek
Anonymous No.723010885 >>723012552
>>723010754
or its just easier to ban the card and sell you copies of the same card but with slightly different rules.
Anonymous No.723010902 >>723011796 >>723012552
>>723010754
A card that causes the entire meta to meld itself around it definitely sounds like a card that should be banned to me
Anonymous No.723011090 >>723011730
>discard celestial this turn to draw 2 cards this turn
>banish him next turn to draw 2 cards that turn
heh im a genius
Anonymous No.723011730
>>723011090
based
Anonymous No.723011738
>>723007253
It would make going first even better and more consistent, and that's the last thing nu-Yu-Gi-Oh needs. This game already practically a coin flip match than a card game
Anonymous No.723011796
>>723010902
that fucking cockroach card I won't even utter its name is why I quit master duel
Anonymous No.723011869
>>723007201 (OP)
>>723007561
rape
Anonymous No.723012552 >>723013194 >>723013645
>>723010902
>>723010885
>implying new bullshit cards constantly released don't shape the meta around them
Let people whatever they want to fucking play and make cards that counter those playstyles.
The fact Pot of Greed is banned is just stupid, when nowadays the meta is you summoning 50 cards from your deck and combining them into 75 other cards from your extra deck.
Anonymous No.723013194
>>723012552
there's no reason to not put pog in every single deck
Anonymous No.723013497 >>723013562
>>723007201 (OP)
How overpowered that thing would be on modern yugioh? Every other card is broken, so...
Anonymous No.723013562 >>723013667
>>723013497
not overpowered but mandatory, everyone will always take it
Anonymous No.723013645
>>723012552
Why do you even want PoG?
Anonymous No.723013664
>>723007254
Anonymous No.723013667 >>723013752
>>723013562
Just like max shit and the forehead bitch and the green hand thingy and the meteorite
Anonymous No.723013752
>>723013667
yes
yu gi oh is fucked, but before it was this fucked there was reasonable bans like POG
Anonymous No.723013797
>>723007201 (OP)
they should up the starting LP honestly, 16k or heck even 24k would be better
Anonymous No.723014049 >>723014835 >>723019994
>>723007201 (OP)
You draw your 2 favorite yugioh cards, preferably in MS Paint for extra soul.
Anonymous No.723014676 >>723015051
Anonymous No.723014835 >>723015097
>>723014049
I have a soft spot for Numen Erat Testudo and Testudo Erat Numen.
dumb as fck but I do.
Anonymous No.723015051
>>723014676
kek
Anonymous No.723015097
>>723014835
SOVL
Anonymous No.723015539 >>723015994 >>723021929
>>723007253
Because retards intentionally misunderstand the problem with their game.
>draw 2 cards? ITS TOO POWERFUL
>handpick half of your deck and insta-summon 3 boss monsters on first turn because your deck is made of the newest subtype set of Tri-TactuLar Fishmongrist cards and every card lets you chain-summon more cards that chain summon from your multi-color XYZ link-arrow-pointer deck? Sure, that's fine because it's the only way to keep up with Rainbow Eyes Autist Dragon and it's ability to discard half its own deck to the graveyard and summon anything from it at will and once it does, you can send cards back to the super-graveyard to summon Multi-Spectrum Rainbow Dragon: the Anime Girl and split-summon two lesser Rainbow Dragons which all have 5000 attack and can ignore trap, spell, monster effects and battle damage but you have to discard 3 cards every attack which just feedback-loops into more summons
>b-b-but drawing two cards means those problems are made worse! Just ignore we can skip the drawing entirely and hand-pick cards at will!
There's a problem with the game, and old banned cards aren't it, but it's too far gone to fix that anyways. You'd have to delete everything after a certain year, and people would whine too much about some boogeyman nostalgiafags ruining their game.
Anonymous No.723015994
>>723015539
How would unbanning pot of greed make the game better?
Anonymous No.723016182
>>723007201 (OP)
Draw 2 cards from your deck. Then Pot of Greed is destroyed.
Anonymous No.723016706 >>723016907
Somebody give me a new archetype.
Anonymous No.723016907 >>723018319
>>723016706
Suships.
Anonymous No.723018319
>>723016907
>Suships
omdg, it's like playing with paper footballs.
Anonymous No.723019994 >>723022034
>>723014049
Redrew the old one and I didn't draw a second card because I can't pick between Northwemko, Gorz, Penguin Brave, Selettrice, Gracia, Francia, Meizen, Irene, Belle, Teardrop, Aegirine, or Night's End Administrator
Anonymous No.723020068
>>723007201 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hDUL0A0ODc
Anonymous No.723020141
>>723007201 (OP)
Anonymous No.723020628 >>723021183 >>723024448 >>723025756
I last played MTG during 7th edition/Mirrodin. What state is it in now?
Anonymous No.723021183 >>723021387 >>723023425 >>723024448 >>723026107
>>723020628
Dude, it's fucked.

You are going to think I am exaggerating. I am not. People thought Planeswalkers were bad come Lorwyn, but Planeswalkers were more of a storytelling and lore fuckup than a mechanical fuckup. People thought Mythic Rare rarity was bad, but that was nothing compared to now.

Blocks are gone, all sets are stand alone. Standard rotates every three years now. There are six sets a year. Half of those sets are now non-magic the gathering IPs, like avatar the last airbender, final fantasy, the hobbit, teenage mutant ninja turtles, etc. The in-universe sets are thematically terrible, from "Wild West Plane (but with no natives so we don't have to go near Political Ick)" to "80s Horror Movie Plane" to "Death Race across multiple planes"

An era of card design known as FIRE kicked off in about 2019 that led to power creep in every format and utter bullshit.

commander (the new name for EDH) is the primary format people play, and cards are designed and sold more for commander than other formats

the EDH/commander community rioted against the fan run Commander Rules Committee so hard that the CRC threw up their hands and gave the format to wotc officially last year. The power level in commander is getting silly, and printed for commander cards are fucking up standard and modern.

They had to ban cards for power level in vintage in the last couple of years, after not doing so since the 90s. That's because they printed a Commander Like mechanic into standard / modern / vintage, and it was so busted they had to ERRATA THE RULES to add an extra tax to the cards. Even then, some of them needed banning in vintage.

You can now play optimus prime, equip him with The One Ring, and counter your opponent's attempts to kill him with Pic Related, which is an official alt-art printing that WotC sell via their website (because fuck your FLGS, buy direct from us)

It. Is. Fucked.
Anonymous No.723021387
>>723021183
Grim.
Anonymous No.723021929 >>723023605 >>723024357
>>723015539
You are a psued shitter.
PoG has been banned since 2005. Reverting the game to a slower pace wont magically fix pot. It was broken back then, it would certainly be broken now.
>But maxx c and ash are also in every deck
Correct, maxx c has been banned for this exact reason in the tcg. Ash falls off the moment maxx C isnt in the game.
>Dude summon spam is the problem
There are multitude of shitdecks that spam summons to end on a board thats outed by the same removal since 2000, a single darkhole. Summon spam has existed since before Pot got banned.
>But genesys has it
Genesys points system is an inherent restriction that the original pot does not have.

The actual problems with advanced is
1) that the lifepoint total is too easy to break when you have access to every card more consistently now. Links design space being so loose let konami make must have toolbox answers that were no longer just rank4, but every deck. This then powercrept the games speed into consistant turn 1 otks, locks and otherwise.
2) There are too many restrictionless free engines
Fast forward from 2016 to today and now there are so many free engines that entire YCS rounds can be decided with no real interaction because the 2nd player didnt draw enough outs to break the 1st players hyperresiliant, hyperconsistant board.
Anonymous No.723022034 >>723024521 >>723024641
>>723019994
Draw hiita pls
Anonymous No.723023425
>>723021183
Can't wait when every unique franchise just becomes a variant of Fortnite
Anonymous No.723023605
>>723021929
would you say the main problem with modern yugioh is high consistency?
Anonymous No.723023876
the problem with yugioh is that powercreep has gotten so retardedly out of control that every turn takes 5 minutes and every card has several paragraphs of text combined with awful format that the tcg refuses to change despite ocg already figuring it out. more life points or less consistency will not solve this problem, the game will still revolve around long combos that nobody wants to sit through.
Anonymous No.723023959
>>723007561
Anonymous No.723024116 >>723026059
>>723007253
Card advantage for no downside is broken in any card game.
Anonymous No.723024357 >>723025149
>>723021929
I don't think PoG should be unbanned, but it definitely wouldn't be as strong as it once was, there are too many ways to counter it now that aren't just brick gimmicks.

>There are multitude of shitdecks that spam summons to end on a board thats outed by the same removal since 2000, a single darkhole
This is so disingenuous its not even funny. You can't even break a modern board with 3 dark holes.
>Summon spam has existed since before Pot got banned.
Barely, and what did exist back then got banned.
Anonymous No.723024448 >>723025261
>>723020628
It's really bad. >>723021183 was right about everything and he's still missing things like formats made for the explicit purpose of your deck lasting years and not having to do rotation having dedicated format rotating sets every 2-3 years. I don't know if you can fully grasp how bad it is since you stopped playing 24 years ago.
It sucks because I'm a salaryman now and I had intended to get back into the game after dropping it during college now that I can afford the big boy decks and it's just not worth it.
Anonymous No.723024521 >>723024641 >>723024906
>>723022034
Sorry. I never drew Hiita before so I had no idea how to draw her hair decently.
Anonymous No.723024537
>>723007510
The last sentence is incorrect. You cannot activate Pot of Greed if you have 0 or 1 card left in your deck.
The game "looks ahead" (in most cases) to see if the resolving effect can be performed. For example you can't use Raigeki (destroy all monsters your opponent controls) if your opponent controls no monsters.
Anonymous No.723024617
>>723008856
*draws it going second instead of a handtrap*
also modern archetypes go +3 when they finish their combos
Anonymous No.723024641 >>723024906
>>723022034
>>723024521
Wait on hold, forgot one small important thing
Anonymous No.723024804 >>723024932
Purrely Horny Memory
Anonymous No.723024906
>>723024641
>>723024521
Thanks king
I love that even the og artist made her the dumb one in the structure deck token arts
Anonymous No.723024932
>>723024804
lol remember when you had a meltie because the janny deleted your posts?
Anonymous No.723025149
>>723024357
The things that counter it counter majority of cards in the game.
>You cant even break a modern board
The point is its not summon spam itself but protection via negatefests and more disruptions than cards in hand.
Limiting the summonspam doesnt change that if decks can still make enough of that with fewer summons
Anonymous No.723025163
>>723009901
Sorry Duke and Tristan both of you are fags and I don't want either of you.
https://files.catbox.moe/i5qhg5.mp4
Anonymous No.723025261
>>723024448
Mia culpa, I ran into the character limit.

Yeah there's also soft deck rotation (like they have in yugioh) via printing overpowered shit every few years, the art getting more consistent but utterly bland in that "ArtStationcore you can crank out three of these on a short turnaround" way, the slew of shit mechanics they created that menace modern and vintage, the time they made an Un-set and said "anything without an acorn foil stamp is modern legal" and thus forced EVERYONE in modern to play with an additional Dumbfuck Unset Side Deck...

oh wait I was wrong. TWO dumbfuck unset side decks.

See, in the un-set they added "stickers". Stickers you can stick on cards to give them new words or attributes. They spent a bunch of money developing better re-peelable stickers. And if your opponent had a card that involved stickers and you stole it via thief effects (there are some great ones), you needed a sticker deck to apply stickers. So you brought a sticker deck. And you also needed an Attraction deck for things that Opened Attractions in the same way.

so LITERALLY everyone in modern/vintage needed to bring stickers and attractions until the playerbase said FUCK THIS, BAN THIS DUMB SHIT and wotc said "ah, eto, bleh! We didn't think the players in the minmax format would minmax" and Mark Rosewater made a passive aggressive post on his tumblr about it.

And Energy. That's a mechanic where cards generated or spent Energy, which are counters that go on the player. Like Mana 2.0, but it persists between turns. So you have a bunch of energy generators and one energy payoff that wins the game, and you just play the aggressively costed cheap energy generators.

There have been a LOT of shit formats since you left, but most of them have been post-2018.

Absolutely do not come back. Do not. I sold my cards in 2020 when the first outside-magic IP cards were made, because I saw the writing on the wall and I was right.
Anonymous No.723025756
>>723020628
The simplest way I can explain it is there's going to be a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles standard set, which will be the 2nd set in modern New York within the past 6 months, and will be the 6th most supported plane in the game, and will likely rise to the 4th or higher after the 3rd New York set of Marvel Superheroes.
Anonymous No.723026059
>>723024116
maybe they should make a card that counters drawing
Anonymous No.723026107 >>723026851
>>723021183
I was typing a super long answer to this post and accidentally deleted it. Fuck.
I'll sumarize it: mtg is utterly and completely fucked. They stole it for us and it will never be good again. It's become a goyproduct for normalcattle that gobbles whatever the fuck gets served in front no matter how bad it is.
We've lost focus so much the current mtg audience want to "compete" in commander but not playing actual tryhard sweaty cEDH. They want to "compete" on sanctioned tournaments and events with their fucking kitchen table precons and squirrel tribal decks. On the meme format.

This game is ruined beyond belief. Focusing on those players instead of competitive players killed this game.
Whenever you think yugioh is doing badly, trust me. I ran away from mtg and am playing yugioh. It could be so much fucking worse. I'd rather play maliss mitsurugi ryzeal master duel than go back to playing a game managed by hasbro and wizards of the coast.
Anonymous No.723026851
>>723026107
I'd rather have to play yugioh weekly with a stipulation that I'm not allowed to concede, against people who have cumstained sky striker body pillows across the table from me, using only my insane australian autist friend's decks (she's nuts), than go back to playing magic.