Thread 723016782

*forces you into inescapable damage*

i dont remember being forced to take damage during that fight, and if that even was the case, it's a none issue, just account for it on your next try.

>>723017153
same, i don't understand the whining. first of all you can knock the balls away

>>723016782 (OP)
TROBBIO!

>>723017230
>does the big fireworks explosions
>go to only safe zone
>he spins up his whirlwind and you can't go anywhere without taking damage

>>723016782 (OP)
I don't know why anybody would have trouble with his fights the startups for all of his attacks are very long.

>>723017384
you can parry his tornado too

>>723017410
You didn't play Act 3.

Imagine getting filtered by a theater kid

>>723017520
i finished the game and karamelita was the biggest bullshit boss

pretty sure i 1shot this boss along with lace1, phantom, cogwork dancers; very straightforward predictable bosses

>>723016782 (OP)
Threads like this make me feel better about myself because I'm not shit at video games.

Ghost boss fight when

shill thread
whore

>>723017410
It's easy to panic.

HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME
I'VE MADE MY MISTAKES
GOT NOWHERE TO RUN
THE NIGHT GOES ON AS I'M FADING A WAY
I'M SICK OF THIS LIFE
I JUST WANNA SCREAM
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME

>>723017384
>>he spins up his whirlwind and you can't go anywhere without taking damage
The safe thing, if you have trouble reacting fast enough to him, is to just always avoid the sides of Trobbio. And you're safe.

>>723017747
At the end of Godhome II: Electric Bugaloo

Anyone have tips for Lace 2?

>>723017816
>just never hit the boss, chud

>>723017976
>what is pogoing

retard-kun...

>>723018028
Nice reading comprehension, retard
>>723017384
>>does the big fireworks explosions
>>go to only safe zone
If you jump, you eat an explosion

>>723018069
Trobbio's tornado pattern is very readable. He always homes in on you during the wind up while moving towards the ground. Once he hits the ground, it's just a simple line sweep. If you seriously don't know how to avoid that while also avoiding the fireworks, then you haven't lost to him enough to learn his patterns.

>>723017849
If you want the cheese method, it's not too hard to set up Architect with poison and tacks if you have the tools to get the Architect crest. If not, triggering her parries have a tendency to be something you can just jump behind her for. In general, running away generally gets you caught up in a lot of her attacks.

>>723017976
>>just never hit the boss, chud
You can hit him from below or above.
The only way you'll get suddenly whirlwinded is you approach him from the sides.

>>723017849
Rape her pantalooms with the harpoon and enjoy the fight, its one of the best in the game.

>>723018168
artchitect with poison is the equivalent of cheating

>>723018161
>tornado pattern
NIGGER I SAID WHEN HE DOES IT DURING FIREWORKS WHERE YOU ONLY HAVE A SMALL SPACE AROUND HORNET THAT'S SAFE
YOU CANNOT MOVE OR JUMP WITHOUT BEING HIT
PLAY THE FUCKING GAME INSTEAD OF WATCHING STREAMERS

>>723018249
It's there so that Journalists can continue to play the game.

>>723018325
Once again, if you cannot learn how to dodge a simultaneous fireworks + tornado, then you deserve to lose to him more until you learn how to avoid it.

>>723016782 (OP)
I thought he would have had a bigger role in the game

>>723018389
You're the one who claimed the following
>>723018161
>Once he hits the ground, it's just a simple line sweep
It is impossible to avoid a line sweep if you cannot go left, right, or up because there's fireworks there
You didn't play the game at all. No more (you)s

>>723018471
Nah you're just retarded and don't know how to play the game

>>723017849
Baiting the parry is a couple easy hits. Use the harpoon and stay glued to her (don't listen to fags telling you to play slow and reactive). Use wanderer, or beast, with longclaw.
>>723017520
Trobbio 2 is one of the easiest act 3 bosses lmao

>>723017520
We all did and OP clearly posted RED Trobbio so stop moving those fucking goalposts

>>723018740
>seething so hard he replies without giving me a (You)

If you learn the fight, you could not only avoid damage in this situation, but completely avoid getting yourself in this situation in the first place

Just learn calculus retard

>>723018740
this nigga didn't learn how to parry lmfao

>>723019061
>parryslopper thinks he gets to have an opinion

>>723019118
its in the game so that makes Silksong parryslop by your definition

>>723018697
Not him, but what

>>723019173
Nigga get to Act 3 already. Getting spoiled on all this shit lessens the emotional impact it will have on you.

Post headcanons
>The reason Silksong is harder than HK is because The Knight is that much stronger than Hornet

>>723019284
He canonically is, though. He beat Hornet 2, a battle where Hornet did not hold her true power level back.

>>723017849
Use the clawline for damage. The clawline is excellent for damaging mobile bosses like her and First Sinner. The only time you shouldn't clawline her is if she's about to do the attack where she jumps up into the air, because you will get hit.

>>723019284
my headcanon is that sharpdart deals more damage than silkspear
because silkspear having way more damage than sharpdart is the most retarded shit ive ever heard

>>723019461
Sharpdart gives you i-frames. Silkspear does not.

>>723019461
Why would the defensive spell deal more damage than the offensive one?

>>723019357
Her dialogue fully implies she's not holding back in her second fight. But I also imagine end of Act 3 Hornet is stronger than HK Hornet, so who knows. Since The Knight is a void being, it's probably not too hard to imagine he's stronger by default anyways.

>>723019284
>>723019357
They're pretty clearly similarly powerful, and both of them tend to defeat stronger opponents.

>>723016782 (OP)
Tormented can do that sometimes by starting his tornado attack while the bombs are still up, but I don't remember base Trobbio doing the same.

>>723016782 (OP)
Technically not inescapable. It's just unintuitive how to avoid those situations, especially for Trobbio 2.
>Throws 6 bombs
>Tornado
You gotta find a safe spot in the air instead of the ground

>>723019571
Hornet couldn't defeat the Hollow Knight let alone Radiance

>>723016782 (OP)
Trobbio, next to the Clockwork Twins, and Phantom are the most fun and readable fights in the game. They also have some of the best boss music too.
Also, am I the only one that likes Wanderer crest over all others? I find the rest clunky or too slow for my taste.

>>723019887
Literally everyone uses Wanderer, because people like you who are dogshit at you prefer LE EPIC DPS over fun movesets

>>723019852
>Hornet couldn't defeat the Hollow Knight
Impossible to say, she didn't try as that would just free the radiance, their only interaction is her holding him to let you dream nail him.
>let alone Radiance
Little ghost by the same token can't beat grandma silk, they both needed special circumstances to kill their higher being opponent (little ghost having the voidheart to call the siblings' help, while being in the hollow knight's dream, Hornet being a weaver to bind Grandma Silk).
Neither of them, under normal circumstances, is at the level of a higher being.

>TC changes charge attacks for practically every crest to be a flurry of weak hits instead of a single strong hit (worthless) to stop you from pseudo-scream skipping with them (aka the only thing they were ever good for)
>The only charge attack that got around this was Architect
>They nerf Architect's charge attack into the dirt specifically because of this
What the fuck's their problem? Why do they get so triggered by the idea of doing damage during screams?

>>723019972
>I need to prove I'm retarded and contrarian by making sure I don't use a crest because it's good
I'm sorry, as a white man, I can't relate.

>>723020103
It's okay anon, maybe at some point in your life you will actually beat a game

>>723020090
>Impossible to say, she didn't try as that would just free the radiance, their only interaction is her holding him to let you dream nail him.

Holy shit. You didn't play Hollow Knight, did you?

>>723019972
I don't use wanderer because I don't like the short swing range

>>723020090
>by the same token can't beat grandma silk
If anything The Knight IS the better choice to deal with GMS
>little ghost
Stop posting, Hornet

>>723020179
I played it until the third pantheon, then I lost it.

>>723019972
Huh, really? I thought Architect, Hunter, or Reaper being the go to for player.

>>723020254
I'm not talking about their god forms, just of those that we play them as.
I call him interchangeably knight and little ghost, depending on my mood, but often find little ghost cuter.

>>723018740
jump and cling on the wall
the tornado and fireworks will both miss you
>b-but i'll slip
ascendant's grip, faggot

>>723017384
that only happened to me like maybe 1/3 attempts, it's not like you have to beat the whole game hitless

>>723020326
Architect has a mid sword moveset, it's for spamming tools whenever you're having trouble with a boss.
Reaper has a weird 50/50 split of great attack animations and trash attack animations, its basically Wanderer with a big nerf to its swing speed
Hunter's pogo is complete dogshit and is basically playing on Contrarian Mode
Wanderer is by far the best moveset in the game in 95% of scenarios.

>>723020368
Post HK, the knight doesn't have his "base form" anymore and is essentially a fully fledged god
Post Silksong, Hornet is the same with a few new toys and a freeloader everyone ships her with

>>723020641
The discussion was on them during the gameplay, not on after the story.
Also I prefer the no more dreams ending.

>36% of players actually completed the meat run
Impressed.

>>723020740
There is no debate to have on them during gameplay
Canon says : Knight 2 - Hornet 0
Also Act 3 confirmes that Embrace the Void is the canon HK ending

>>723020852
Did it on my second try
People really are garbage at video games

>>723020917
>Canon says : Knight 2 - Hornet 0
Anon, it never says the Knight wins in an all-out fight, in the second fight she isn't holding back, but she isn't going all-out either, in fact after it she's perfectly healthy and can effortlessly save you.
>Also Act 3 confirmes that Embrace the Void is the canon HK ending
It's ambigous, and embrace the void is a dumber ending, loved only by the powerfags who want the MMC to be the supreme god, and by those who want THK to be still alive.

>>723020917
>Also Act 3 confirmes that Embrace the Void is the canon HK ending
What about the Delicate Flower ending?

>>723020852
It's pretty easy if you just go through Blasted. Just clear out the enemies beforehand and the biggest challenge is not accidentally dashing into saws.

>>723021160
>loved only by the powerfags who want the MMC to be the supreme god, and by those who want THK to be still alive
A cool ending is a cool ending, anon. Not everyone is an edgy bad ending lover.

>>723019972
>Wander
Never touched it once. I want to play Hornet not the Knight again.

>>723017849
Run to the opposite side of the arena, bait her jumping attack and pogo her when she lands. Repeat until dead.

>>723016782 (OP)
game is so fucking lame that it reminds me i'm playing 2D game with paper cutouts that don't even care where i am in the arena and just continue their routine

>>723021454
I only used Wanderer when Rosary farming across the Choral Chambers.

ACTUAL unavoidable damage
>Moorwing if you let him go off screen
>Beastfly when, not if, he goes off screen
>Lost Lace if you're in the air after her 2nd dash
There's also "unavoidable" damage where most bosses will just do an instant melee attack if you don't back off after 2 hits. However don't back off TOO much or else you'll trigger the AI into instantly jumping to the exact spot you're trying to run to, causing you to run into them.

>>723021371
While I agree with that it's still narratively dumb, it's the protagonist screwing off from the plot, ignoring all the interesting lore and character building and randomly fighting a series of gauntlets until he solos the radiance with none of the SOVL of the normal fight, with the siblings and THK helping you, nor Hornet opening you the way in the climatic fight agaibst the knight.
While I really like the lord of shades its ending is something I really dislike, even if I like THK surviving.

>>723019887
Phantom is the best fight in the game because it's straight out of Hollow Knight.

>>723021757
Phantom fight = HK Hornet fight, change my mind

>>723020096
Just compare all the changes them made to boss fights between games and you can see they did not like that people... Beat bosses in 5 seconds with 1 HP Fluke spam, abused iframes with Descending Dark, or just in general attacked so fast that you constantly stunned them until they were dead.

>>723020090
>can't beat grandma silk,
Are you high?
Radiance is much, much harder than GMS

>>723021708
>it's the protagonist screwing off from the plot, ignoring all the interesting lore and character building and randomly fighting a series of gauntlets until he solos the radiance with none of the SOVL of the normal fight, with the siblings and THK helping you, nor Hornet opening you the way in the climatic fight agaibst the knight.
I personally think it's funny rather than dumb that the knight basically goes "fuck that" and does the godhome thing.

>>723021938
My exact thoughts, it's why I love it.

>>723021987
Yes, I think Radiance killed me less time but she's objectively harder, but without special circumstances the knight can't kill her, she's not a dream entity nor is near the void normally, so the knight couldn't kill her in normal circumstances.
That's my point both Hornet and the knight, during the game, are weaker than the higher beings.

>>723016782 (OP)
Trobbio goes from a great character to one of the worst once you realize the red bananas on his face are his eyes and not a moustache.

>>723021984
>They didn't like how you can dab on bosses in HK with YOLO speedrunner strats that absolutely nobody does besides streamesr in the first place, so they had to make a bunch of changes that fuck up your attacks in a casual run
Ok? Why? You can still scream skip by just running into the boss so I dunno what this was meant to do besides be spiteful.

Beat him on my 3rd try, what do I win?

>>723022003
I get your opinion, maybe it's just me taking it too seriously, but I don't find it fun, I prefer the main narrative (even uf I'm curious about the godhome lore too).

>>723016782 (OP)
just started playing and I see why the two damage for contact on that starter boss had so many people mad. especially after coming off hollow knight with so many movement options and needing to unlearn you aren't invincible on dash anymore.

>>723022332
>ou aren't invincible on dash anymore
i-frames on dash are only for late game in HK though

>>723020852
The Courier's Rashee is actually really easy. I didn't even clear the path for my run I just raw dogged it and got it 3rd try
No delivering the Mask Lacquer, that shit is hard

>>723022332
>with so many movement options
Silksong has more movement options
Hornet moves better than the Knight did as soon as she gets the dash

>>723022468
Nta but really? I took 5 tries for courier, mask lacquer only two, and the first I was winging it so much I didn't exit Shellwood.

>>723022409
practicing it's pretty clear my down dive thing gets i-frames. not sure how I never noticed that. I also need to test some stuff with the dash stab too.

>>723020548
Wanderer having a built in quick slash makes it far too good. Even without the Longclaw, it just melts away bosses, and then when you do get it, it's not hard to just get free parries when your enemy decides to attack. The 2% chance to do three times damage when you have enough Silk barely even matters, but it's better than nothing.

>>723020254
>>723020254
not gonna lie bros
i onions faced so hard when i beat the game and saw the void lord, didn't expect that at all

>>723022160
>I think Radiance killed me less time
You died to GMS more often than to the Radiance?

>>723020852
It's really not that bad if you already beat the Exhaust Organ.

>>723023472
It's been years, but yes, I believe it took me less attempts, somehow.

Not enough people talk about how fucking gay the Forebrothers are if you wait till act 3 to fight them

>>723022165
They are Kamina glasses.
>b-but
They are Kamina glasses.

>>723022165
>the red bananas on his face are his eyes and not a moustache
I thought they were his eyebrows.

what's for sale in that one place with the door to get to the bench? I got the memory thing from him and didn't think the door would close again I should have taken a photo. fuck it I'll just keep beading up my rosaries.

>>723024376
He has a tool to not let you feel the knockback of your strikes and an upgrade for your tool pouch.
you can attack the gear to his door to stop it from closing again.

>>723024598
>that spoiler
they die without the door don't they. She said way too much about danger from hanging out for me to do that. This game has a very sekiro feel to it with the new tools thing. I need more metals to try the other tools. Does that one item the repair or whatever from the tool vendor let you infinitely make tools without a bench and eating shards??? Maybe I should stop asking questions and play more.
Beast frame or whatever it is seems like ass but I just don't have a slot for my compass.

>>723025098
>first spoiler
You opening the door or not isn't the thing that confirm his death, but it can make himget a big scare
>second spoiler
I'm not sure of wich tool you're thinking of, but I can already confirm to you there is nothing that helps you with that, you will just be able to carry progressively larger number of shards and tools
>third spoiler
You will find something to help you with that

>>723017790
just fought him
pure kino

>>723025383
I looked at your post while paying the 80 rosary fee in greymoor and missed what it did lol. I have gotten two memory lockets and I put one on my hunter frame to see what it does. Hunter is comfy for exploring but I will experiment with beast.

>>723016782 (OP)
just parry the balls you retard

>>723017849
Apparently if you stand right next to her and upslash it stunlocks her, unless they fixed it

>>723016782 (OP)
He let's you heal in between every third attack or so. You probably just aren't being aggressive enough to keep your silk up.

Any tips for fighting GMS while cursed? I thought this fight was easy but phase 2 filters me, especially her silk attack which deals 3 masks of damage. Not getting caught by that is honestly a gamble if you need to jump on the first one.

>>723028604
you can pogo on top of her for like 99% safety. there's also the blue tool that deals damage when you double jump

>>723018069
Just parry it.

>>723028678
>blue tool
anon, I can't use tools (or heals)

>>723028604
CLAW
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>>723028678
>dmg on double jump
is that thing actually good

>>723028890
I'm clawlining her ass but it doesn't help against her shitty "grab" attack. I think getting Faydown Cloak might have been a mistake.

>>723029094
My man the grab attack is just a simple "don't stand in the threads"
You literally should never be getting hit by that

>>723028678
>you can pogo on top of her for like 99% safety
Until she recalls her needles and fucks you over. Being above her is incredibly unsafe.

uaaaahaAaAaAAaAaaAaaAAhh

>>723029178
The grab attack can be bullshit if youre dealing the absolute max damage possible in the air
It would be fine if going off screen (too far up) didnt guarantee taking dmg

>>723029209
her needles dont deal damage when being recalled, floating around, or at the beginning of the windup before they start falling

>>723016782 (OP)
the first fight i found easy, the latter fight less so

>>723029225
>Blargh!

>>723029298
Sounds like you are playing too impatiently then instead of reactively
Just calm your tits nigga, it's not a damage race
Don't forget to smack the floor spikes out of the way, they take 2 hits to remove

>>723029178
>You literally should never be getting hit by that
Not that easy if she does it twice in the row and your double jump overrides the float. I know I just need to press it twice but I really wish they let you turn some abilities off. You know, like in good metroidvania games.

>>723029823
I actually hate to say this since I loathe git gudders, but unironically skill issue

>>723028604
>Triple damage web attack
There's a slight delay in the activation of the webs. Once you slow down your timing on the double jump, it's easier to control midair and dodge the second one.
>Rockfalls in the centre of the arena
Clawline to GMS and punish since it's one of your most reliable damage windows in the fight.
>Floor spikes
Treat them like the vines in the Sister Splinter fight, get rid of them ASAP because the area denial will screw you over.
>Spear attack patterns
Always keep in mind that they usually oscillate between top-side-top and side-top-side. So you always need to account for the third attack even if it might trigger offscreen

>>723029823
The fact that you can't hold down to just float anymore is a slight flaw with the game desu. They shouldnt of patched that out

>>723028853
anon my apologies, I am retarded. you can double hit the spikes and they go down

>>723029823
There's a delay on the web activating. Treat it differently from the similar screen attack from Cogwork/Clockwork dancers. In that fight, you're immediately double jumping to avoid it. In GMS, just walk to the side to avoid it. That way of instant panicking double jumping and screwing yourself, it's much easier to evade.