Thread 723024946

Were old games really just better?

ZDS

>>723024946 (OP)
the N64 fukkin sux LMFAO

>>723024946 (OP)
I am a zoomer and i lived that childhood (just PS1 instead of N64, yeah my parents couldn't afford a PS2)

>>723024946 (OP)
post what she looks like now

>>723024946 (OP)
>people born in the 80s are nostalgic for the 90s
>people born in the 90s are nostalgic for the 90s
>people born in the 00s are nostalgic for the 90s
>teens born in the 10s are nostalgic for the 90s
>kids born in the 20s are starting to become nostalgic for the 90s
Maybe at some point, we'll stop pretending it's nostalgia and address the central point.

>>723024946 (OP)

What's up with zoomzooms and their larping ?

>>723024946 (OP)
Most of the time yes but most old games do miss some qol features. Also nothing stopping you from playing old games.

>>723024946 (OP)
the picture itself is a zoomer larping
One of the posters if from the 2010's

the fucking Arctic Monkeys poster from like 2013 gets me every time I see this image

>>723024946 (OP)
Why is she using the pikachu controller on a non-pikachu N64?

>>723024946 (OP)
Yes. Modern games seem more impressive at first glance with the fancy graphics and all the different systems stacked on top of each other like shitty RPG mechanics in games they dont belong in and forced padding to reach arbitrary playtime but when looking at the big picture old games were better, better designed, tighter, more replayable, more memorable, there's a reason they keep remastering and remaking them.

>>723025094
Because everything from ~2012 to now has basically been the same shit. And whatever there is to be nostalgic about in the 00's is left over from the 90s.

>>723024946 (OP)
Some were, yes. Not all. That said, it's been a few years since a good AAA game has come out.

>>723024946 (OP)
It's having real IRL friends and no online feeds to scroll they desire, the photos just embodies it.

this image isnt even real, everything about modern retard is superficial representation confirmation bias.

>>723024946 (OP)
No, definitely worse.

>>723025231
>>723025279
>muh millennial stolen valor!!
Why are you like this?

It's not that games were better, some were and some weren't, it's that the world was generally a better place. Western countries were high trust, new things were being created and entered into broader culture all the time, people were connected to their local communities.

Nowaday everyone lives these atomized, individual lives where all art and culture is just regurgitations of shit from 30+ years ago. People have fewer and fewer friends. Young people spend their free time watching other, wealthier people, do the things they wish they could be doing. Everyone is constantly hustling for money because the moment you stop all stability in your life crumbles.

>>723024946 (OP)
I want to eat her multicolored pussy.

Roblox

>>723024946 (OP)
How many times are we going to have this same exact thread?

>>723024946 (OP)
Games were less cinematic and more about playing, so in that sense yes. Technology was evolving in interesting ways and just kind of stopped around 2007, favoring incremental increases in resolution and polycount.

Anyone else notice that the discussion shifted from millenials to zoomers the moment the oldest zoomers came of age?
It's like the world just gave up on millenials. Generation of failures.

>>723025572
found the broccoli hair with earings

>>723024946 (OP)
Everything was magically better when I was younger. I didn't have to work and I got everything for free. I could just shit wherever I want and someone would clean it up for me. And if I ever got hungry, I just had to scream and someone would shove a pair of tits in my face, and food came out of them. Tits were bigger back then too. Why can't I go back to those days?

>>723025579
We're talking about video games here, most millenials were too young to really care or remember anything about the economy or the society at the time and zoomers never even experienced the late 90s to early 2000s period yet the video games are still played today and held in high regards so there's more to it than mere nostalgia or the media being tied to a "better times".

das rite

>>723025068
>>723025058
>>723024946 (OP)
>>723025347
>>723025463
>>723025845
>>723026175
>Retard starts thread with AI slop + Xcreement screenshot
>It's not immediately called out
What the hell happened to my board?

>>723026173
Well, sure. As far as games are concerned there were a lot more new things being tried rather than just the four same proven formulas over and over, and games were much more play based than being a proxy for watching some HBO story or anime unfold.
You launch a game made before 2007, you're probably going straight into the gameplay in under a minute. That is rarely the case now.

>>723025845
>games were less cinematic
What is Resident Evil, what is Silent Hill, Tomb Raider. I believe PS1 and PS2 games were more cinematic because they cared about composition and the cutscenes were better directed with more cinematic and experimental shots. Modern slop is all either over the shoulder camera or FPS view and the cutscenes are all boring hollywood mocap with no room for creativity or personal style.

>>723026123
Hey man at least he's younger than you and less bald.

Atomic truth nuke

>>723025094
the 90s and early 2000s are probably the best age to live in most countries.

>>723026664
I think he ment: cinematic (derogatory). Sotc is the most cinematic game ive played to date, but modern games think cinematic means walking sections and black borders.
Also demon numbers

zoomers and gen alpha is also obsessing over """frutiger aero""", azumanga daioh and 2000s visual novels (only to call them heckin' problematic) because muh aesthetics rather than understanding what made them great in the first place.
it's so fucking weird.

>>723024946 (OP)
Not necessarily. But the pace in advancement in computer technology made each subsequent release more exciting.

>>723024946 (OP)
You can literally play them, why the fuck are you asking?

>>723026123
>I looked like that in high school in 2009
What did I know?

>>723024946 (OP)
i fucking hate women

>>723027143
its so funny i never heard anyone refer to early 2000s bubble aesthetic as 'frutiger aero' before at least the year 2016
i think zoomers just recognize that people used to put their souls into things and you are naturally drawn to those sorts of creations because they have a human aspect
these days everything is just a product to be consumed that doesn't say anything or mean anything unless you're consuming propaganda

>>723027431
>its so funny i never heard anyone refer to early 2000s bubble aesthetic as 'frutiger aero' before at least the year 2016
Almost all of the weird names we have for past aesthetics come from the Consumer Aesthetics Research Institute, which was founded in the early 2010s. Makes sense. Nothing tops "global village coffeehouse" in terms of their naming though.

>>723024946 (OP)
The whole world was better pre 2005

>>723026664
>>723027123
There were cinematic games no doubt but the entire industry has shifted towards that style.

>>723024946 (OP)
Back then you had to play the games. They were actually challenging (not like rollslop nowadays). You would get stuck, get lost, you had to explore and think. Nowadays most devs would never consider making a game where you have to read or explore an area without a map or waypoint system in order to progress. And even if they did most people would just google the answer or give up. So in a way, yes games were better back then but there's no way to go back now because of the internet.

>>723027225
You were just gay

The shovelware era was unironically the most SOVLFUL the industry has been. I miss A/AA games

>>723025094
I don't think kids are nostalgic about the 90s. I do think people will remain nostalgic about 1980 - early 2010 in general. Ever since social media and smartphones took over it all feels the same and people became fake.
That video about a 7/11 in the eighties gets me every time. It is a pretty unique era because there is a lot of imagery but none of the fear about going viral that current cameras bring. It was authentic.

>>723025068
>>723024946 (OP)
that picture is edited to look like it's old. it's a zoomer poser

>>723024946 (OP)
Yes

OLD GOOD
NEW BAD

>>723026363
Not AI slop, just a zoomer girl roleplaying.

>>723024946 (OP)
They were made by nerds (in a good way) and not DEI hires and women. Every handful of years there was new tech that felt like a gigantic leap. Fewer "good" games but those that hit were revolutionary and genre-defining.

The only thing I miss from the past was the excitement with which I'd play any game, being able to thoroughly enjoy it no matter how dogshit it was in reality. Not that it has anything to do with the actual state of gaming industry, just that I didn't have a lot of experience in games to be able to make comparisons and draw conclusions

I've been having genuine thoughts about WHY I enjoy older games more. Modern games are actually exhausting to play. Too much to keep up with on screen between the graphical effects and cramped huds and UI. There's a million overwhelming menus and submenus. Control schemes are homogeneous and cluttered, every game controls the same. Movement feels the same in every game. Animations take forever, and devs add way too much padding to every moment now. Walking and talking moments, shitty half assed segments playing as other characters or swapping genres for a couple missions.

>>723028845
and? post what she looks like now

>>723024946 (OP)
Ye-wait.
>N64
Then no.

the only consoles that have ever been worth owning are the NES, SNES, Gameboy, Dreamcast, PS2, and Xbox 360

N64 was overrated trash, ur favorite game is probably dogshit bc ur a fag

>>723024946 (OP)
Some old games are masterpieces. There was plenty of jank that is readily glossed over by being utterly forgotten by posterity. I think there was less suit meddling... as the amount of money involved was far lower... I think the barrier to entry was far higher in terms of development talent.
A lot of what is being produced today is just rehashes of what's been done... same with music, same with literature, same with cinema. The dogshit nature of contemporary media is not exclusive to video games.
I think old games were better in general, that doesn't mean nothing good ever comes out anymore.

>>723024946 (OP)
Why don't you download an emulator and find out for yourself? Oh wait zoomers don't know how to do stuff like that.

>>723025405
The Mayans were right, 2012 was the last year of the old world.

>>723024946 (OP)
If anyone tells me they want to "go back", I assume they're either mentally ill, or a completely ignorant zoomer.

>>723029756
bro everyone wants to go back, the nineties were a lot better time in pretty much every way

>>723024946 (OP)
A lot of it on an individual basis is just nostalgia, but that doesn't take away from how games were developed 25 years ago. Games back then weren't being pressured (as much) by omni-present, ever looming corporate greed, there was a bit more wiggle room with what was acceptable as a game, and the rules for them were simpler too, the goals of developers wasn't inherently to get rich or earn as much profit as possible, but instead to make a valuable product that was cheap enough to produce that is good enough to sell and that sells enough to put dinner on the table for those who made it. Devs had more passion, in the modern era, passion is pushed out in favor of efficiency and statistics, foregoing innovation for safe sales. Ultimately, unfettered and unregulated capitalistic ideals have affected the gaming industry in such a way that the market will ONLY produce games that will sell, and that means safer development choices that stifles creativity. Older games lacked in visual fidelity what modern games lack in innovation and creativity, it's like the scale tipped and went to the opposite extreme, leaving no middle ground with the exception of a handful of indie games that come out per year that do manage to change the perspective on game development standards, like how Silksong is catching flak for only being 20 dollars, apparently it's too cheap and people say it should be more, for whatever fucking reason.

tl;dr old game has nostalgia and less pressure from corporations, game devs were driven by goals and dreams and not net gains and profit margins

>>723029756
1995 to 2004 was the absolute best time to be alive in the last 40 years and you can't tell me otherwise. Everyone who was there knows it. If you're too young to remember or weren't born, I'm sorry. Everything has gotten worse since then. So much worse.

>>723029756
I would like to call things gay and retarded and be surrounded by mostly white people who don't talk like half retarded nigger-mutts on twitter. It would also be cool if every tech company wasn't infested with the bioweapon known as Indians.

Yes. Bit that can be changed. Metal Eden looks promising. Some independence from the usual synagogic, university etc degeneracy can have a chance at constructing futurism and concepts, challenge. Not popular maybe, was then, maybe shouldn't be (popular now) niggers should stay monkeys and be exterminated before confused with people. Maybe the kikes are of aid, keeping the niggers known as what they are by their tastes prominant. Might be that that convinces everyone to erase them.

>>723024946 (OP)
43 year old here. No, they weren't better. Our standards have just gotten ridiculous. Every groundbreaking game increased our expectations a little more. Now, we're at the point where nothing will ever really please us.

There's a whole conversation we can have about engineers being replaced with artists causing shit performance, female writers as DEI hires that can't craft a story worth the paper it's written on, and of course the destruction of male interests in games. But, even with all that, the fact remains that our standards have gotten ridiculous.

>>723030842
You would have a point if modern games could at least match older ones. The problem is that they don't and they aren't on par mechanically with a lot of old things.

>>723024946 (OP)
Not only games. but the entire world was better 20 years ago.
No social media or smartphones. Movies were at way fucking better than modern capeshit and grubhub disney movies. Video games were made by passionate nerds. I will admit the emo and goth shit was cringe and even I fell for it.
Like the biggest fucking political controversy back then was bill clinton getting a blowjob.

>>723028351
you still are

>>723025094
People who didn't get to experience the 90s aren't really nostalgic for it, they just like how cool the aesthetics were back then.
https://aesthetics.fandom.com/wiki/90s_Cool

>>723030842
>43 year old here
yikes

>>723030842
There are no groundbreaking games because all low hanging fruits have already been picked up. The gaming is solved, and all you can get now are either remakes or AAA slop or artsy indie shit

>>723024946 (OP)
Why don't you try playing some and report back? I ask because you won't be tainted by nostalgia where older people will be.

>>723025094
1960 - 2010 was the golden of humanity. In a way, the world really did end in 2012.

>>723025405
Yeah, "the 90s" stuff was around well into 00s still and there was sort of progression to things still. Later stagnation kicked in, last 10-15 years sort of don't feel like they have any identity or changed for the better in any way.

>>723025094
>the peak of your civilisation
It's funny how the quintessential 90s movie was so right with a throwaway line just to explain why it's the current_day in the simulation

>>723030638
Dios mio

>>723024946 (OP)
Do we really need this thread every hour? We all already know the answer is yes >>723025094

>>723026664
Less does not mean none. It means less.

>>723025094
Wrong. Kids nowadays think 2000s were cool and they listen to Linkin Park.

>>723024946 (OP)
"old" games were made by passionate nerds for nerds, now games are made by soulless corps for the sole purposes of making a profit through dlc, mtx, loot boxes, so in this context old games were way better

>>723031005
Video games are a GenX/Millennial hobby. Before you started dumping hundreds of dollars a month on microtransactions and gachas, 30-50 year olds were the ones spending thousands of dollars on games per year because they actually have money. And the same is true today. They are the fucking industry. Especially in terms of single-player games and non-mobile games. Which is why people screaming "protect the children" about video game content are so fucking annoying.

>>723024946 (OP)
Zoomers were / are a mistake

>>723024946 (OP)
Yeah. We had a lot less games, but the overall quality of AAA, or better said what we considered to be AAA for the time, was much better. We had tons of bangers with barely any padding. The only problem is that the games were usually very short. You would finish most games with less than 20 hours of playtime and then you would get bored again. Maybe that was a good thing, because it forced you to take up other hobbies and socialize.

>>723025058
wrong.

>>723024946 (OP)
No. We just don't remember the shit games from the older days. Also indie gaming exploding has vastly increased the influx of shit games.

>>723024946 (OP)
WHY DON'T YOU JUST PLAY THEM AND FIND OUT
THEY STILL EXIST

>>723030842
Dude, Runescape and Doom mods are still a big part of what I play these days. I replay Half-Life 1 and 2 every year and they remain some of the best games ever released. My standards are not being raised.

>>723033007
did people really plaster their walls with random celebrity photos and sitcom posters

>>723033603
Gen Z doesn't know how to unzip a folder, you think they can configure an emulator?

>>723033941
Yes. There was a time where celebrity happenings were a huge deal.

>>723033941
Yes. It was extremely common.

They put posters in what felt like every magazine, and they could also be found in every store. This was before the internet became widespread, mind you.

>>723024946 (OP)
Yes
All of the things you hate in modern games didn't exist

>>723025068
>>723026363
>>723032314
She literally looks the same
instagram.com/m0n1lu/

>>723025068
>artic monkeys
it's a zoomer that wished xhey had a millennial childhood

>>723025579
>Western countries were high trust, new things were being created and entered into broader culture all the time, people were connected to their local communities.
This is wrong, I grew up in a rough neighborhood where you couldn't go out at nighttime and got mugged before and was attempted to be mugged/robbed many other times. I remember when I was working at the family restaurant and someone stole the tip jar, but one of my friends was hanging out at the tables outside and kicked the wheel of his bike out and he slammed into a brick wall scared shitless lol. There was also that whole period where pavement apes would just walk up behind people and punch them in the back of the head, it was like a big thing on like a national level and it was on the news and shit all the time. Also, I remember everything being pretty shitty and corporatized in general, like people were just marketed absolute slop and just believed it like it was totally normal, like fast food was a lot more popular, people were a lot more excited to see shitty movies, and buy really stupid things, just a lot more ignorant consumerism in general where people were totally fucking clueless, so I wouldn't say it's was high trust but moreso ignorance. Like if you want it to be the 90s again just shut off social media and live like an idiot and buy what the commercials tell you to buy.

>>723024946 (OP)
They weren't better by todays standards, but they were fueled by the visions of pioneers and it showed.

100% better,. less corpo max profit more passion projects and ground floor , now its all corpo cutscene simulator slop faggots might as well youtube and get the same experience because the gameplay is sub par trash tier shit

>>723024946 (OP)
they literally built this entire billion (trillion?) dollar industry

>>723035130
>but they were fueled by the visions of pioneers
lol

>>723035112
You're brown and/or a turd worlder though

>>723035110
King behavior.

>>723035784
I live in New Jersey and I'm white. This movie is actually pretty accurate to what my childhood was like.
https://youtu.be/WTw51Ynkn7A

>>723024946 (OP)
In terms of polish, production quality, no. However in terms of gameplay they were much more experimental, and among releases from larger studios and publishers there was much more variety in gameplay styles even within genre specific releases. Towards the end of the PS2 era, a lot of the "meta" for specific genres had been figured out which is why around the time of the 360 and PS3 you started to see a lot more homogenization within gameplay design and art styles. There's also the fact that games were a lot cheaper and quicker to produce so you'd get entire series having several entries and spinoffs and dying within the span of 4-5 years. That's not to say that the experimental nature of earlier 3D games was always some 10/10 experience. There was a lot of awkwardness and there are a lot of games from back then, but if you valued variety coming from big studios you'll probably think things are much worse now. Now variety is the domain of indie releases, which have basically filled the niche that AA studios/releases used to fill until sometime in the 2010s.

>>723035941
>I'm white
t. Pablo Hernandez

>>723036065
Okay Ivan, I'm sure you're an expert on being "white"

>>723036021
in other words smaller budgets gave way to more creative freedom and iterative improvement

>>723035941
okay tranny

I miss the pre texting era or at least not everyone having a cell phone. This one invention has ruined my life. You're expected to be reachable by everyone these days at any time and weather it's a friend or an employer they eventually chimp out when you aren't.

You don't need to ask this question if you pay attention to recent releases.

Most games these days are remakes of games from the "millennial" era. They weren't remaking 80's games back in the day. The golden age has passed.

>>723036236
I bet you wish I was a tranny, semen slurper

>>723036295
Nigga Nintendo was out here doing remakes of nes games on the SNES what are you smoking

The only thing I miss from "back then" in general was the separation of Internet from real life. They were like, two cultures, side by side. And now it seems the Internet is real, and it effects everything outside of it. Real life is downstream from Internet.

And this still fucks with me till this day. A Co-Worker mentioned to me that it was weird that they can't find me on social media. Which feels really invasive right? This individual was "looking for me online" like some kind of stalker. And also, you never use your real name online, everybody knows that...?

>>723024946 (OP)
yes \thread

>>723024946 (OP)
Unironically yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDgjTP8fuz4&

>>723036435
Remastering 3 Mario games to the SNES is hardly the same as the industrial slop we have today. Not to mention, there was enough of a gap between those two console generations that there Super Mario Allstars has a reason to exist. Add that to the fact that it packages 4 games together and the value proposition actually makes sense.

>>723024946 (OP)
Games felt more special back then. They were more creative and shit. Today every game checks some number of boxes and fits into a specific genre. Back then it was more like the Wild West of gaming cuz they hadn't really formulized what this or that game is.

>>723024946 (OP)
eerything was

>>723036598
Ook ook it ok when nintenDO

>>723024946 (OP)
>X here
Go back

>>723036418
nigger, you're an oniima fan

>>723036646
This. 2012 was the last time the world had soul before the world as we knew it for the past 5,126 years ended and we entered the hell dimension.

>>723036789
Onimai kicks ass, a soiboi like you wouldn't get it

>>723025058
I never realized how empty and long the tracks were in mario kart 64. As a kid, I usually had a friend or two to play with, and never gave it much thought. When the decomplier came out and played the single player mode, it made me realize how miserable the game was by yourself.

>>723025104
idk but I loved trashy girls in high school so I hope more zoomettes dress up like circa 1997 skanks

>>723024946 (OP)
It was the atmosphere. Almost EVERYTHING catered to kids. Morning cartoons. Magazines. Ads. Arcades. Movies. Toys. Games. I used to walk with my friends after school to a massive game center with wall to wall arcade machines, bright colors, and playgrounds like that underground TMNT foot clan hangout. I think all of that added to the enjoyment of games in general. The sort of thing you fantasized about as a kid was just right around the corner.
My old neighborhood is now the definition of soulless. Everything was replaced with overpriced apartments and cafes.

>>723037021
>how miserable the game was by yourself.
that's all Mario Kart games tho

I think people mostly miss a world without social media and where everything isn't politics.

>>723025579
>Western countries were high trust
America certainly wasn't, you were just a kid. Or you took this point from someone who was. Or you just pulled it out of your ass. The USA stopped being high trust in the 70s.

>>723024946 (OP)
Yes, because there were no zoomers back then.

>>723033941
I dunno about celebrity/sitcom posters. But I definitely hung up Nintendo Power posters when I was a kid.

>>723027431
Frutiger aero is just shit that Microsoft and Apple made for their products. You know, to be consumed.

>>723037316
this

>>723036209
I don't think it was necessarily just the smaller budgets back then. Studios and publishers still attempted to put out the highest quality product that they could, it was just that it cost much less and took a lot less time to put out something that was considered cutting edge in terms of production quality during the PS1 and PS2 eras. A lot of the creativity was driven by the fact that it was an entirely new frontier at the time and everyone was trying to figure out what worked and what didn't. Even if you had doubled or tripled dev time and budgets I think you still would have seen a lot of creativity from devs, it just wouldn't have been so absolutely jam packed in such a short period of time. For today's market, I do think it would be a good idea for the big name studios to experiment more with smaller budget projects where they can let loose, because right now you're getting major studios only putting out 1-2 big name games every gen and they're typically extremely safely designed sequels or they fall within typical open-world action adventure or FPS/TPS design because they can't afford to take risks on a 100m+ budget the same way that a few guys in a cramped apartment with a couple of laptops and 20 dollars to their name putting out their dream shmup/RPG hybrid can.

>>723037316
It's okay, dude. You're on 4chan. You can say it.

>>723037316
>I think people mostly miss a world without social media and where everything isn't politics.

>>723038114
desu I wouldn't give a fuck if a massive solar flare wiped the whole thing out at this point

>>723038391
careful what you wish for

>>723024946 (OP)
I wouldn't say "better" but they were definitely more impressive. I don't know if any game today provides the same feeling as a teen who grew up with 2D games playing a 3D game for the first time. Or playing an online game for the first time.

>>723026363
>what happened to my board?
>doesnt recognise op image from at least a decade ago
lurk moar.

>>723035391
Impressive, very nice. Now let's get rid of the slop.

>>723039051
did you actually take an hour to make that bait image

>>723039134
I just entered this thread.
>Waaa waaa I wish I could travel back in time to consoom older products.

>>723039051
How is Tomb Raider 1 slop but not 2?

>>723039051
Tendies are funny.

>>723039298
nta but 2 had the mansion which was based

>>723035110
>pic
I've actually watched that video and it was so incredibly alien listening to everything that guy said
He said he grew up with Xbox instead of PS2 or GC, and he missed out on PS2 because his family was poor and could only get one console, and the game store employee recc'd Xbox so his parents got that
But that story's weird since Xbox was always more expensive than PS2, and a large part of PS2's popularity with normies and poor people is that it had DVD playback and was cheap so people who didn't care about games, still got the PS2 (also odd he never had friends that had PS2)

As for the games, his choice of games is very superficial and shallow, it felt like he just googled "top 10 ps2 games" or looked at a basic yt vid for that then called it a day. He never talks about anything interesting about the game, and always gives a surface level description about them that feels no different to reading the game's manual or an AI summary even though he claims he talks from the perspective of his 1st playthrough

Worst thing though, is for most of the games he talks about, his most common thing he says is that he HASN'T FINISHED the games
How the hell can someone talk about what they "missed" when they make a complete half-assed attempt to play the games, don't even finish most of the ones they try to play, and you don't even attempt to properly engage with the library as you only look at what's generally popular (he doesn't even look at PS2 games that were popular to specific genre fans)

It's just such a weird vid, like I said at the start it's just alien

>>723030842
>our expecations are increased
>conversation on how products are worse
>somehow this means things got better
39 old here us being spoiled is also a matter but there are also a lot of simple indien games right now that are pretty praised.
Nu retards destroying francises with their own sick changes is far worse.

>>723039051
I'm gonna assume you just crossed out stuff at random because it's insulting to your and everyone else's inteligence,

>>723039298
Bait pic, it makes no sense once you start to think about it

>>723032591

Linkin Park was nineties, I don't care when that album came out.

>>723039960
>Linkin Park was nineties,
Bu-
>I don't care when that album came out.
Fucking what?

>>723039960
Their first album released in 2000 retard

>>723024946 (OP)
At the very least, they had less bullshit to deal with

>>723039960
>Linkin Park was nineties
No, they weren't.

>>723030842
>our standards have gotten ridiculous
>our
Not really. It seems like every 3 months or less an indie or AA game gets released and gets praise despite the flaws or limitations. And games that get ridiculed on release like Cyberpunk 2077 after a couple of years get a defense force and enough patches to be considered decent or even good among some players. Honestly the only expectations that have gotten ridiculous are the ones from the suits and investors that want that every singleplayer AAA game to sell at least 30 million copies at full price

>>723040087

Learn to read, retard.

>>723026363
>AI derangement syndrome is retarded
Every time

>>723039051

disgusting

sorry for your experience in games so far

>>723038114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWtdOywhrlQ&t=6s

Yes, they were constantly inventing new things as technology advanced. Now every game is just a rehash of old ideas.

>>723039960
culture defines the music in many ways.
linkin park are definitively a 2K band

>>723032209
>What movie?

>>723025347
R.I.P Cobes

>>723033495
MIFFLIN BROS???

>>723027080
That is if you don't live in Asia, Africa, South America or Eastern Europe

>>723035391
1998 and 2004 was peak

>>723026363
>my board
Did you get here yesterday or something?

>>723024946 (OP)
The 1990's were a better time in general, unless you lived in LA, Africa or post-Soviet Europe.

>>723024946 (OP)
no, there are now just more games so more bad shit (but also more good) silksong could have been made in the 90s and you wouldnt feel a difference.

>>723025094
bILL CLINTON RUINED US, HE GAVE CHINKS MOST PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT. tHEN HE PUSHED NAFTA.

>>723025572
Because it's not accurate dipshit. If you're gonna larp do it RIGHT. You can't act like a 90s kid while also holding an ipod you tard. It's fraudery.

>>723024946 (OP)
>>723035021
oh its just some arthoe

>>723044797
*arthropod

>>723025572
cuz arctic monkeys sucks

>>723024946 (OP)
Not really just more difficult

>>723024946 (OP)
Yes, but it was worse back then because you were at the mercy of the stores in your city.
Nowadays you can get ANY game for the old platforms, no limits, even shit like language barriers are bypassable.

>>723044629
Exactly.
The Arctic Monkeys were kids when this pic is supposed to be set.

>>723024946 (OP)
Do people here still think that threads and posts in general like this are organic?

>>723024946 (OP)

Yes. I can play an old game that I've never played before and have a better time than most if not all new shit. They're also effortless to get into and learn. The music is typically unforgettable and very good, the visuals are very colorful and full of soul and the gameplay is just fun.

People seriously limit themselves by cutting themselves off from playing old shit. It can be potentially be very cheap too. The only real barrier is choosing the best means of playing them for you. It's basically 1. Be a nub, download rom and emulator and play, raw pixels and all. It will look shitty but it works I guess. 2. Original hardware and crt tv with either roms and flash cartridges, or buying the old used games 3. Learning how to emulate properly and use shaders 4. Mister fpga, raspberry pi or Wii emulation to crt tv or 5. Software emulation to CRT (Most autistic option but it has unique payoffs)

Yes and no
>Yes
Yes in terms of you got less buggy and more finished base content. They didn't ham fist in the alphabet weirdos and people who make up 0.0002% of the population in a cast of 12 characters. Also their political commentary was much more fucking subtle than it would be now (when it shows up). Also rapid progress in technological growth meaning every 2 years games seems like console leaps and genuine compared to now.
>No
Limited game functionality from hardware restraints still sabotaged what some games were intended to be but never worked out. While I'm a strong STRONG believer in not needing high graphic fidelity there were bountiful volumes of games that were just utterly vomit inducing visually and dithering sucked in many games while in others dithering was something they worked with and it wasn't eye cancer.
>overall
If video games trended towards gameplay focus design and not trying to make shit look like real life they would have easily cock smashed the 90s/00s era of gaming with an objective superior might. Instead we get a generation of devs who can't code or optimize for fuck all and gaming turned into second Hollywood while they nickel and dime 'content' to you. While this industry is dead and shit I still like to believe it is perfectly possible for a genuinely godly game to come out but it'll, unfortunately, have to come from a AA or indie group as the scale and systems they use to produce video games as a mainstream developer is simply not possible.
>inb4 nu-Nintendo shit gets referenced

>>723024946 (OP)
That's a fake pic, the posters on the wall are anachronistic.

>>723024946 (OP)
yes

>>723037227
I think thats probably just your perspective from being a kid? Look at things like action movies or prime time tv, they were catering to adults as well.
I think the main difference is that you used to be able to find something that catered to what you liked, whether you were a kid who just enjoyed kid stuff, a guy who liked action movies, a woman who liked soap operas, a teenager who liked a mix of things... Now everything tries to cater to the giant brown blob of 60iq retards that inhabit every single country so it feels like everything is made for everyone and no one at the same time.

>>723024946 (OP)
>Colored hair.
>In the 90's.

>>723030842
You are wrong. There are plenty of fun games that come out every single year.
The problem is that most modern games arent even games. Theyre just products to be marketed and sold to you. They are made by people who dont care about games, and are probably only making them because they failed to get into a more lucrative field like television and movies. Theyre sold to you by people that barely even know what a game is, or how its any different than a tv show or a book or a movie. To them, its just a product to be sold to generate revenue to make and sell more products.
Old games were made by people that loved them. You had to, otherwise youd have no idea how to make them. There was no school to go to, no college class to take. You loved computers and you learned about games through that love, and you loved them so much you learned how to do it yourself. And as a result, a lot more of them were actually fun.

>>723047012
????
It wasnt super common but there were definitely more than a handful of girls in my highschool that dyed their hair non-natural colors.

>>723047012
Coloured hair has been a thing at least since the Romans

>>723047186
>There are plenty of fun games that come out every single year.
There have not been plenty of fun games this year. In fact I can probably think of 5 games that came out this year that were really good, and I play far more games/genres than most people here.

>>723047012
Have you never heard of Dennis Rodman?

1998 - 2001 right before 9/11 was the peak of modern culture

>>723047469
9/11 didn't kill culture, the 2000s-early 2010s was still kino. Shit went off a cliff in 2013.

>>723024946 (OP)
Yeah. But you should go and play some so you can make up your own opinion.

>>723024946 (OP)
>top tier vidya constantly being released
>small comfy communities of like minded individuals online
>no smartphones and pcs were expensive and required you to not be completely retarded to use them so idiots and poors were gated
we had it so good but we foolishly thought everything would continue to get better because everything always got better back then. we were so naive.

>>723047517
>Shit went off a cliff in 2013
underage fag. everyone knows 2007 was the year everything fell off the cliff

>>723047012
It was a fad with girls to dye their hair all kinds of goofy colors with Kool Aid in the early/mid 90s.

>>723047578
No way, 2007-2012 was kino. The Mayans had it right when they said 2012 was the end.

>Looking through old Nintendo Power magazines I have laying around
>See a page for advertisements
>Think about how I like a LOT of these games
>Realize that - despite all these new games coming out - there are few I'm actually excited for.

>>723047612
>tripping

Kind of but not really. I loved NBA Jam, Kid Chameleon, Mutant League Football. But there's no way I'd ever buy or play anything like that today. There even was an attempted spiritual successor to MLF and hardly anyone bought it or even knows it exists. That probably happened for a lot of similar games.

>>723047578
2007 was the beginning of the end because that's when the iphone came out and poors and retards flooded the internet. there were still a couple of good years after that before everything reached critical mass and the poors and retards outnumbered everyone else and then everything started catering to them. the online demographics changed and the wii,ds and social games like farmville brought in a lot of casuals to ruin vidya.

>>723024946 (OP)
>Were old games really just better?
Literally EVERYTHING was better. You were born in the worst time in modern history. Sorry, bub.

>>723047703
No one had an iPhone until 2009 at the earliest. 2007-2008 were Blackberry years.

>>723047612
Brawl fucking blows, zoomer

As someone born in the 2000, watching stuff from the 90s feels like looking at an alternate universe since things look so similar to what I grew up with but different at the same time

AAA games were always slop

>>723025094
This. I struggle to think of anything that is good about today's society. EVERYTHING has been on a downhill trend and will continue to get worse.
>You're just a depressed loser
I work out regularly, have a gf, and have a degree. Its just an objective fact that the world was better 30 years ago.

>>723047754
It was better than the one with only 12 characters, gramps. Melee and Brawl shit all over the first one.

>>723047774
I can't believe people actually watched and enjoyed retarded shit like Friends back then

>>723047745
that's why 2007 was the beginning of the end. the technology that would ruin the world was unveiled but it did take a while to catch on enough to actively ruin everything.

>>723024946 (OP)
whore

>>723047858
I never understood my middle school classmates' obsession with it.

>>723047754
The hell it does, Subspace Emissary alone puts it above almost every game from 2013 onwards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKHQXuXE8qc

>>723047186
He's not wrong really, my standards are out of this world already.
But the standard is more about the contents, not about graphics and gameplay and it's caused by what you mentioned.
With certain features that cater to my needs, pretty much any game becomes playable.

>>723047858
>I can't believe people watched
People call it "comfy" content now, and I can entirely believe in the popularity.

>>723047947
Name some more that released in the 90s/00s.

>>723024946 (OP)
Not better. But when I play them I feel happy and remember a time when I was hopeful for the future. Modern games don't give me that vibe. Not saying that I don't play modern games, but I only play them when I need a dopamine drip. It's not an emotional experience, basically like jerking off really quick or taking a shit.

>>723047517
actually the omega point was on the new years of 2011 on the last half hour that was when time speed up

>>723048045
2011 was a fun year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPo5wWmKEaI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GchEVSx9XEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ6zr6kCPj8

It was one of the last years of optimism.

>>723047987
Fresh Prince, Fraiser
Seinfeld started in 89, but the majority of seasons aired through the 90s
>Malcom in the Middle was 2000
shid

>>723046685
>>723031665
It's really not emphasized enough in this thread, the ever upward spiral of technological optimism.
We saw the most amazing fucking video game of our lives every year, sometimes every six months. The entire paradigm of what a video game was changed so rapidly and completely, over and over, that we couldn't help but dream that it would just go on like this forever and wonder at what majesty would come next.

When the fuck was the last time that happened? Crysis, eighteen years ago?

I figure the Boomers might have felt something similar when the first satellite beeped into orbit in 1957, the first men followed in 1961, and guys were walking on the moon by 1969. You didn't seem nuts if you thought "Holy fuck, there'll be cities on Mars by 1980"

>>723024946 (OP)
>>723035021
Damn, her bf looks like this

>>723047858
I liked Friends and all the other 90s sitcoms when I was a kid but I do imagine if I watched them today I'd think as poorly about them as I do Big Bang Theory.

>>723048220
No one gave a fuck about Crysis back in the day besides the graphics meme, which was more about how demanding it was to run, not how good it looked (generic realism slop). Trash fucking game.

>>723039051
Diablo 2 is a slop, but WoW isn't?
are you retarded?

>>723047858
It holds up okay, especially Joey. The best 90s sitcom is Frasier.

>>723024946 (OP)
>zoomer here
>dies
why zoomers so weak

>>723046871
>Now everything tries to cater to the giant brown blob of 60iq retards that inhabit every single country so it feels like everything is made for everyone and no one at the same time.
I think you've got it, anon. There just aren't as many spaces for kids to do their own thing apart from everybody else. They're getting access to the internet at younger and more impressionable ages, and they find themselves mingling with adults that treat them as equals.
Shit sucks, man. If I'm ever a parent, I'm never letting my kids even near any device with social media on it until they're in high school.

>>723047578
I'd say 2008 was when it started going downhill

>>723048816
>There just aren't as many spaces for kids to do their own thing apart from everybody else.
They're called Third Places, and the loss of them has been disastrous for society as a whole. Smarter people have been warning about it for decades but no one listened.

'95 zillennial here

Game that blew my mind:
>Oblivion
soul overload, massive expansive world to explore with NPCs that had their own schedules and houses. Just the amount of shit you could do, fucking around trying to steal everything, flinging items around, killing all the NPCs, jumping all over buildings, etc.
>Uncharted
graphics, mostly because it was the first game I played on an HD flat screen
>Demon's Souls
such an immersive and magical game, felt like the first game to truly explore a foreign and hostile world to get lost in with incredible exploration and secrets. the invasion system was insanely innovative and created so many tense and stressful encounters.

That's really about it. I feel like a lot of games that zoomers act like would have been mind-blowing weren't really. I think we just took technological improvement for granted and didn't really care about them.

Also I grew up with N64 and PSX, but never (even to this day) have seen an NES, SNES, or Genesis in person, at least not that I remember. I'm not even sure when I became aware of their existence but aside from playing the GBC port of SMB1, Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection briefly, and a couple hours in Wii VC, I basically never played any of these retro games at all, and never really had any interest in it whatsoever until I started emulating just in the last five years or so.

>>723025094
Everything went to shit when the internet came around. That's why the 80s worked too. The slopfication of society and entertainment went full throttle when (((they))) realized how to control their cattle effectively and easily.

>>723035112
People liked fast food and movies and knickknacks because the cost of those things was inconsequential. People finance pizza now. You can argue that they only finance pizza because it's possible now and wasn't in the 90s, but you'd have to concede that if people were buying pizza the way they were in the past, the technology to finance a pizza wouldn't need to exist.

>>723049348
I'd say that Social Media and Youtube were where the problems started to happen. Prior to that normal people stayed off the internet outside of getting news and a little shopping. But now they flock to it in droves and shit up the place.

I actually played an old game and it was all squares fr no cap tho (on a stack). Don't know how millennial play those ahh games, not a single W on the chat

>>723047987
Caroline in the city, dahrma and greg, seinfeld, frasier, mad about you, just shoot me, news radio, 3rd rock from the sun, grace under fire, roseanne.
Theres more for sure but most just got 1 season or a half season.

>>723049889
youtube was ok until making money off of it became viable

>>723024946 (OP)
Late 80s millennial here. I have played thousands of games to this point. A lot of it is survivor bias. Very few people talk about the endless shovelware on older consoles, or even the consoles that underperformed. When you cherry pick classics it's easy to come to the conclusion that they used to be better, but realistically there are still great games coming out that people will be just as nostalgic for in 20 years. Just not the ones that require always online and pay to win loot boxy shit.

>>723047012
Bait? I grew up in the 90s. I had spiked hair with green streaks and an undercut. The 90s were RAD and EXTREME. Every fucker had colored hair. Half the kids in elementary/junior high in the 90s had green/pink/purple/black hair.

>>723025094
>the central point
jews?

>>723030842
>Our
kill yourself

>>723048816
>If I'm ever a parent, I'm never letting my kids even near any device with social media on it until they're in high school
oh man, you are in for a wild ride

I was watching a documentary about art deco and it made me want to bang flappers in then1920s

I think we just have this desire to go back when we know we cant make the world better. Or to be part of cultural changes. Or to have big families again where all the generations and decades would overlap with your brothers and sisters and aunts and uncles. I dont know.

>>723025068
>She
Thats a man

>>723050882
I lived in fucking rural canada all I remember were rattails and frosted tips and batman wore the weirdest fucking shit

>>723025094
Most of 90's gaming is sloppa and you csnt convince me otherwise.

>>723033007
90's was such a cringe era, glad I wasn't alive then.

>>723024946 (OP)

yes

>>723025094
the 90's was the best for gaming. people experimented with titles and games were not all about WOW LOOK AT THESE REALISTIC GRAPHICS. studios had artistic choices.

>>723025058
Low tier bait

>>723024946 (OP)
in term of graphic or realism no, everything else from gameplay, fun to writing yes
>>723038114
hahaha, you get banned if you say something bad about kikes/pajeets

>>723054043
>>723053984
(you) can say that again.

>>723053681
if this was modern, half of them would be black and at least one would be asian or south american
and at least one would be visibly gay

>>723025094
Honestly most people can be nostalgic for the 2000s and earlier, 2010s onwards the world has gone to absolute schizophrenic homogeneous shit.

>>723024946 (OP)
What happened to the late 90s-early 00s gigastacies and the scene girls/gothemo chicks of the 2000s?

Before e-thots and Onlythots, millennials went crazy for scene girls and gigastacies.

>>723054176

genuine nostalgia ended in 2007

>>723054256
Nailed it.

>>723054256
I'd say it ended around 2012 like some anons here said, but yeah 2007 was the beginning of the end. Smartphones and accessibility for the unwashed masses ruined everything.

>>723025065
Being in poverty isnt a personality trait

>>723054095
quake came out before black people were invented.

>>723025068
This is what that post wanted. Funny but, as already confirmed, not real.

>>723054928
and the lesser posted fanart.

>>723054256
I'd say 2007 started it but it didn't take full effect until 2012

game devs were built different back then

>>723054176
>absolute schizophrenic
I don't think it can be overstated how much mental health has declined all around.

what's whack to me is that these zoomers/alphas have absolutely no concept of these shared experiences all generations before had. And as kids growing up from 95 to 2007sh fucking EVERYONE new what halo was. you could go to the halo lan party down the street and see dudes from every clique, even if you didn't get along with them at school.
Generations now growing up on the internet are so mindbroken and have hardly anything in common with the people at school, even in rural communities, because whatever niche hobby they have is accepted by strangers on the internet but to embarrasing to talk about at school.