Thread 723033309

I figured out what I don't like about VTM2.

It's too serious. There's no humor.

There's no Friggin' Chicken, there's no Deb of Night with Gomez calling in about conspiracy theories. There's no Officer Chunk. There's no Chinese fortune teller. There's no goofy emails.

There's no fun.

>>723033309 (OP)
I agree with you.

>>723033309 (OP)
>>723033480
I don't like the modern aesthetic.

>>723033309 (OP)
The saddest part is that we won't get any music with stereotypical oriental leitmotifs that fucking slap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQIBT-a6jog

it seems maybe worth a play but i don't like the complete lack of sexualized feeding animations - only combat finisher style animations. and the general complete lack of sex. there are "working girls" that look like default store assets of 65 year old women.

you can behead someone and splatter them into gore but a little bit of sexiness is too much? in a vampire game?

>>723033827
I just watched some gameplay and if you feed on people with a high horny resonance or whatever, pink stuff, there are very sensual moaning sounds.
Doesn't beat VtMB's sexy leg-lock for femvamps though.

>>723033580
>All of the music is just a legally distinct plagiarism of Massive Attack.

>>723033976
Still the best OST in the history of gaming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qctQqxb9phA

>>723033309 (OP)
I figured out what I don't like it
>not an rpg

Looks gay and shite

>>723033309 (OP)
what kind of "clothes" is that?

I don't think it lacks humour per see, but I think do it lacks so far from what we've seen the kind of raw, crude humor that doesn't give a fuck about being vulgar that the original game had.
The punk side of the Gothic-Punk equation, so to speak.
Half the problem of the audience (and makers) growing older and more bourgeois, I guess. Tastes gets more refined and self-aware. Bloodlines (VtM in general) was a very adolescent game I always said.
The other half is the generational tone change, with current gen in control of the creative process being extermely prudish, compartively to the preious one.

I mean, the talking furniture in conversation with Fabien *is* an attempt at humor, for example. It's definitely. hits a very different note form the original's.

>>723033309 (OP)
it definitely looks boring, agreed

>>723034472
I want jokes about domestic abuse and I am not getting that in 2. There is absolutely a lack of humor in 2.

>>723033976
The Vesuvius track definitely has more of a Portishead vibe, Dummy period.

This can never be topped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ovLsFhd-EM

>corposlop game isn't funny
Damn.

>no clan Malkavian
Hard pass desu

I wish I could corporeally manifest the Bloodlines soundtrack into a human form and have sex with it. That's how much I love it.

There haven't been any funny games in over 10 years

>>723035142
There haven't been any funny games since 2015?

>>723034616
>Hey! What's that on the counter? That's not my margarine. That's butter!
>It's - *slap*
>Bitch! You know I'm supposed to watch my LDL levels
>i-i-I thought it would be a nice change! You couldn't even tell!
>You don't want a divorce. You're trying to kill me! I'm glad I slept with your sister.

>>723035196
When I first heard this I laughed heartily for a minute straight.

I'm sorry, but you're very wrong.
>There's no humor.
Fabien talking to his evidence and putting on stupid voices and making the evidence talk back isn't humour?
>there's no Deb of Night with Gomez calling in about conspiracy theories.
There's like nine episodes of The Bet of Night, which is the replacement for The Deb of Night.

>>723033309 (OP)
>Trenere

>>723035315
>Fabien talking to his evidence and putting on stupid voices and making the evidence talk back isn't humour?
Maybe this is enjoyable if you are mentally retarded. Otherwise, no.

I'm gonna miss the failed seduction dialogue from Chinatown

>>723033309 (OP)
That's a good point.
WoD is for cringe retarded faggot weirdos so there has to be at least a little cringe retarded faggot weird shit on it.
I'm not trying to insult anyone here, if you are into this then you know it's true. It's just how LARPing is.

I don't like it because of the aggressive and desperate paid shill campaign. It really is the WORST publicity money can buy.

>>723035462
That was always the problem with Malks.

>>723035626
There is no paid shill campaign. We're just trolling. The game is likely gonna be awesome, but baiting about it is really fun.

>>723035245
>Line 5, you're on with the Deb of Night.
>So tell me, is society going to hell or not?
>I think so Deb.
>And why is that?
>Well, for one I lost my job a month ago and our management gave themselves a bonus for it.
>I'm sorry to hear it.
>And just the other night I happened to look out my window here in Santa Monica, which used to be a nice neighborhood, I saw the local diner where I've been eating my breakfast for years get shot to pieces. Can you believe that? Like no one cares about anyone anymore.
>I hear it.
>And my neighbor's boy, he's been using speed since junior high. Steals from his parents.
>That's a shame.
>Yeah. Yeah, you know there was a time when this sort of thing just didn't happen. You know why?
>Why is that?
>Well because a man could beat a woman and children when they got out of line! They didn't even have to be blood, you could just slap the little bastards!

Someone should tell the Parakikes that NOBODY gives a fuck about Lasombra and that not one person on earth with an IQ over 20 likes their filthy Assamite faggot clan.

>>723035868
The build up to this was so fucking good. VtMB is a treasure trove for a type of humor we will never get again, sadly.

>>723035868
Are we going to pretend the caller was wrong?

So let's talk about the leaked trophies.
https://www.powerpyx.com/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-trophy-list-revealed/

>>723033309 (OP)
The Chinese room write "dark" stuff but they aren't edgy. VtM is by it's nature punk. It's edgy, goofy, and doesn't feel back calling someone a faggot, but modern writer that want to write "punk" content tend to only want to "punch up". But punching up isn't edgy or punk. It's the safest shit you can do. Making jokes about straight white men isn't punk it's mainstream. This game will never make fun of fat black men, drug addicts, poor people, the mentally ill, whores or anything else that might actually get you in trouble.
It's safe, that's the problem.

>>723036020
>This game will never make fun of fat black men, drug addicts, poor people, the mentally ill, whores or anything else that might actually get you in trouble.
Lou makes fun of the mentally ill and whores, though.

Nobody told me to expect any stupid bitches.

>>723033309 (OP)
>IP is ruined by boring leftist millennials
damnn how could this happen again?

>>723036020
>>723036134
It's very PG-13 tonally.

What did he mean by this?

>>723036830
idk what youre getting at.
Just fucking say it.

>>723036020
>But punching up isn't edgy or punk.
What the fuck do you mean? The whole point of punk is punching UP. No, making fun of disable or poor people is not punk. And since we're living in the modern day of censorship and retard puritans it is relevant.

>>723037961
Take a hike on your nearest highway.

>>723038047
Go back to Twitter if you want a grifter echo chamber.

Uh wait, there is a sequel? What the fuck?

Do I get a vampire stripper wife in 2?

>>723035315
>There's like nine episodes of The Bet of Night, which is the replacement for The Deb of Night.
>Wanna join my Girl Boss troop
A real knee slapper

>>723035817
This was originally an unused track, wasn't it? I remember I first found it in an old "unused VTmB songs" playlist on YouTube. Fuck me, time flies...

>>723033309 (OP)
Yep, despite how 'dark' it likes to appear its really missing the actual edge that VTM1 had, including in regards to the crass humour, it's like its scared of having anything that's actually distasteful in it.

>>723035986
> Multiple achievements related to flying/gliding
Surely that'd be an instant masquerade violation, right? How are you gonna explain why no one notices a person with (presumably?) bat wings soaring around above Seattle?

> Damsel in the game
Oh boy they're gonna ruin that.

>>723035986
>a bunch of cheevos starting with "As Phyre"
Can you open world with the schizo in your head?
>Finish the game with the I.A.O. attacking Seattle.
>Finish the game with Katsumi in charge of Seattle.
>Finish the game with Tolly in charge of Seattle.
>Finish the game with Lou in charge of Seattle.
>Finish the game with Phyre in charge of Seattle.
So five endings, looks like. Neat that we can apparently rule ourselves without a sarcophagus blowing us up to kingdom come
>As Phyre, sire a Childe.
Heather 2.0? Although she was just a Ghoul
>Finish the game with an agreeable companion.
Wonder what that means
>Come face-to-face with Damsel.
This might be kino or it might be utterly awful
>Destroy Prince Campbell by using Phyre against him.
Again, referring to Phyre as if it's not the MC but rather a bystander. The fuck's this about

>>723041012
> Heather 2.0
Childe definitely means another vamp in this case, rather than a ghoul, though I do wonder what the context for that will be.

As gay as Polygon is, they really hit the nail on the head with this one - this game is going to fucking suck
https://www.polygon.com/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-release-date-preview/

>>723041012
>Again, referring to Phyre as if it's not the MC but rather a bystander. The fuck's this about
Most probable, something to do about the Fabien segments, which are not perfect memories but affabulations dreamed by the MC during the day from Fabien's psychee.
I'm thinking exploring them the right way means discovering Fabien used the MC to kill Campbell - and it's his body you find near the opened coffin, not Fabien's.
Whataver that means in/for the plot remains to be seen.

>>723033976
The Hollywood theme is like a dark version of the riff in RHCP's "Under the Bridge"

>>723041614
>I'm thinking exploring them the right way means discovering Fabien used the MC to kill Campbell - and it's his body you find near the opened coffin, not Fabien's
The only Campbells I know are the ones from Metal Gear and Dishonored

>I sniff and scratch at it. It looks great but I struggle to see why that film was necessary. I just think if something is so beautiful, you should just leave it alone and make another film. Don’t lean with one elbow on the success that was earned over 30 years in the underground. In many ways, Blade Runner wasn’t about the replicants, it was about what does it mean to be human? It’s like E.T. But I’m not certain what the question was in the second Blade Runner. It’s not a character-driven movie and there’s no humor, there’s no love, there’s no soul. You can see the homage to the original. But that’s not enough to me. I knew that wasn’t going to work. But I think it’s not important what I think.
>Rutger Hauer
The parallels seem hard to avoid.

>>723041907
>Blade Runner wasn’t about the replicants, it was about what does it mean to be human
>I’m not certain what the question was in the second Blade Runner. It’s not a character-driven movie
I'd ask Mr. Hauer to rewatch 2049 but it'd be pretty hard for him right now

>>723041907
Also apt since they used the same Hollywood landmark, the Yukon Hotel, in both a scene in Blade Runner and as a map in VTMB

Fabien is an unreliable narrator. The question is how unreliable.

It will be a week until we get sexy schoolgirl and nun mods, and they'll soar to the top of the download lists.

>>723042173
the yukon...

game comes out in 9 days! are y'all excited?

>>723033976
I prefer legally distinct plagiarisms to whatever metrosexual royalty free music they were playing in the club in the trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSsfjHCFosw

>>723042507
For mods, maybe.

>>723035598
hummmmmmm

>>723033976
>>723042534
I honestly really like it when vidya composers are inspired by existing albums
https://youtu.be/up80FfzySFA
https://youtu.be/ghIRu6UvQPc

https://youtu.be/orAnm1yM_ZI

>>723041825
Campbell was the Prince of the city. If you've seen the Ventrue clan trailer, he's the guy using Dominate on someone.
Dead at the begining of the game. Cause still a mystery.

>>723042213
I find it especially suspicious that the whole segment between the MC being on the rooftop after awakening from torpor, and the awakening in the haven on the next night is missing, for one.

>>723042507
It's my white whale. I have followed every scrap of info for the past six years. If it sucks I will be a sad little panda.

I find it weird how a bunch of trailers show the opening sequence except Phyre is wearing clothes instead of rags. Could just be NG+ or something though.

>>723042954
Honestly it's looking to be a 6-7/10, early 2010s 360 game akin to Dishonored or Rage or the like. Certainly not an RPG like the first game but probably a "meh, good enough, worth a pirate" game with "fine" characters and a "fine" hub. From the marketing over the last month I feel the person that's done the best job is whoever they got to edit the class trailers together lol

>>723042954
same. it looks cool so far and i love the environment, hope its good

>>723042332
those mods will be instantly banned

>>723042954
That'll make two of us.

>>723043078
Outstar (the one who made the trailers) touches upon this in one of her recent gameplay video: it's just her cheating with the dev build to get material for the trailers.

>>723042954
>If

>>723043125
I would've preferred kiasyd over lasombra, at least there you'd have some inhuman looking clan since nosferatu aren't on the table at all from what the devs have said.

>>723042332
>Mods
Are tey common for UE games? There HAVE to be hair option mods, there's only dyke hairstyles. I'd be happy with using Campbell's model for my ventrue run
Make phyre voiceless and you've got yourself a solid game. There's some reasonable voice acting but the MC is not an example of that.

>>723033976
it's very appropriate for the early 00s, there was a lot of post-90s breakbeat shit going on in soundtracks in general
>>723033580
that's my favorite track in the game, it's pretty perfect

>>723043182
Why would they be banned? You're an adult.

>>723043482
>Are tey common for UE games?
not sure if this applies to all UE games but from what Ive heard when modding Stalker 2 you basically need to decompile the whole game just to replace/insert shit which is very tedious and labor intensive

>>723044029
Usually, it's not tedious outside of just dropping paks into a mods folder. It might be tedious for the mod maker but the modder themselves have an easier time.

>>723044161
doesn't it take up a HUEG amount of space in the process?

>>723033976
>All of the music
That's literally just the main menu song, because they used Angel as the placeholder during development and asked the composer to make it sound like it.

>>723044029
>>723044161
I thought as much. I was just thinking the other day how unlikely it is for the game to have an active modding scene. It's not like it will draw RPG autists to it. A shame.

>>723044225
Again, not really. It depends on the pak sizes themselves, and some UE games have dedicated mod managers to help keep things streamlined for the less inclined. It's just UE is such a bitch to make mods for it's rare you'd find a game with a dedicated community.

>>723043482
Proper modding (anything that involves changing scripts) requires the devs to release development files. Without those, you've basically got asset swap mods, which means costumes are definitely on the table.

>>723044432
As it turns out you can grind out any clan's costumes while playing any clan, but there's no wigs for the dyke hairstyles.

>>723044609
What's wrong with the hairstyles? (Aside from a lack of sexy pigtails.)

I just want to be a Lasombra and fuck Lou's tits

>>723033309 (OP)
There is a radio with a late night talk host though but you may be right with how there's no comedic tone and the writing probably won't be as good as the first bloodlines

>>723033309 (OP)
He figured it out guys

>>723033309 (OP)
They couldn't get away with even half of the chinese shit in the original game without being cancelled.

>>723033309 (OP)
There is no personality whatsoever. It’s all sterile bullshit.

>>723036830
Why is he such a faggot? Is this what they consider to be cryptic Malk shit?

I don't mind if it's dark, because VTMB has some themes to make the game dark, it's just the game looks so fucking bad all around. It's just pure jank, and the story doesn't sound interesting.

>>723048338
Define personality.

>>723048462
soul

>>723042954
Do you think the shill will kill himself when it flops? He seems to have gone through multiple levels of mental derangement to the point all he can do is talk to himself and regurgitate marketing points (which the mods and jannies ignore)

>>723033309 (OP)
its woke shit

>>723033309 (OP)
You honestly expected to have fun by playing a woke game?

>>723034472
It simply lacks any real edge and somehow still expects you to care about vampire politics, it's got almost no bite compared to the original in many different ways unfortunately. Even if I would like the game to succeed it's basically made by people that have a bloated ego

>>723048462
Personality: Noun, the combination of characteristics or qualities that form an individual's distinctive character. I don’t blame you for not knowing this since you would have to lack one yourself to think these characters weren’t as dull and generic as a steak made of rubber and cardboard.

There will be no characters like VV or Fat Larry unfortunately

>>723048507
Define soul. Is it the Marvel writing of Bloodlines 1?

>>723035315
>le whacky Malkavian schizo is neither sudden nor can you opt out of it
it's sanitized, partially because devs are also afraid of making the sin of content players can miss out on

>>723048590
It's way edgier than 1. But it's written in a weird way where every character is an inhuman sociopath, so it doesn't hit the same way as the lovable goofball vampires of 1.

>>723048654
How many Marvel movies bring up incestuous pedophilia? Maybe play the game shill tard.

>>723033309 (OP)
i prefer it more serious.
But it should also be more indulgent in fulfilling the vampire fantasy.
It looks too "restrained".

>>723048614
What makes you say there won't be characters like VV? Isn't one of the major human NPCs a geriatric whore?

>>723036697
>can't say "prostitute" or "whore"
Leftists truly can't write. Their characters all sound like their HR departments.

>>723048757
Blade has incest themes at its core. Bloodlines 1 absolutely reeks of being inspired by the Blade movies, right down to copying how vampires die.

>>723048856
But Lou says whore all the time. Fabien thinks he's a detective. Detectives are classy.

>>723042954
I think the game will just turn out to be alright. Nothing special, leaving both camps disappointed. It's not a game people will grift off for months.

>>723048894
So you’re going to pretend that Blade is the same as the MCU? Also VtM was doing all of the shit Blade movie was before it even got an adaptation. It was part of both goth/rave culture of the time. Fuck off with your retarded copes.

>>723048778
Restrained how? In what way is the game where you explode civilians for fun and fondly remember being a mass murderer restrained? Compared to what?

>>723048838
Correct, whereas VV is young and a dancer

>>723048975
Even if the game was actually decent (though it probably won't be) it's not like /v/ would acknowledge it. They've tried to claim many actually good games are complete flops, so even a mid product would get ragged on until something new comes along to make ragebait or 'ironic' shill threads about.

>>723049017
I didn't say MCU. I said Marvel writing. Bloodlines 1 is written like a Marvel comic.

>>723048856
I agree with the word choice in this instance.
"Prostitute" would have looked even more weirdly respectful, and "whore" seems a bit more visceral and i don't think most vampires have strong feelings about them.

>>723048940
>Detectives are classy
You really are the biggest fucking retard I have ever seen. Honestly how the fuck do you not know anything about the shit you talk about yet still shit out the most absolutely braindead posts with zero fucking shame? Were your parents related? Did you suffer some kind of serious head injury as a child? Honestly how the fuck do you not know anything about the fucking noir detective genre or anything else?

>>723049072
What do you think the M in MCU stands for you shit eating ape? Are you really that fucking dense or do you have to constantly just pretend and squirm whenever you say something retarded?

>>723043394
That's the problem with forcing the player to play a dev OC is that you fundamentally can't do freaky shit like Nos or Malks because it's monumentally more effort than reskins and voice line stuff

The environments look nice but I don't know if I can stomach the
>women writers
They just have that awful grating quality that takes you out of the moment.

>>723049206
This, its obvious why they cut Nos/Malks out, having to re-write basically half of the total dialogue for their unique world states would be WAY too much effort put into a project like this which is clearly playing safe and just trying to bank on brand recognition.

>>723049114
Fabien is absolutely cracked and thinks he's a classic noir detective like Sam Spade but he very frankly leans way more Eddie Valiant. He thinks of himself as a fun, wholesome, noir goofball.

This would also line up with the possible twist where Fabien is the murderer/organized Campbell's killing. In the book, Roger Rabbit is the murderer (killing two guys Jessica was sleeping with) and he is killed before the events of the story. The photocopy of Roger made as an alibi tries to solve the mystery.

>>723049075
Noir is an inherently anti-leftist genre so they can't write it.
>Xe had legs that went longer than my dilation schedule.

>>723049369
>fun, wholesome, goofball
>noir
They just fundamentally misunderstand the genre.

>>723049369
>He thinks of himself as a fun, wholesome, noir goofball.
What an absolutely shit character. Whoever wrote him should have their fucking hands broken. Honestly how fucking retarded do you have to be to want to make a character like that. And what’s worse is trying to ape a beloved fucking film like Who Framed Roger Rabbit which actually gives a reason for people behaving like that because they exist in a world with literal cartoon characters. What absolute fucking mongs do they have at the chink room? “Oh he’s le heckin quirk chungus detectivarino” what a bunch of fucking hacks.

>"I know that you are powerful. That you are artful. That you are dangerous. That you conceal a well of such pain, deep inside you. I share that pain too. I am so glad to be in your presence."
So... who is Fabien?

>>723049771
A faggot, like you.

>>723049771
>the BPD woman writer talking to herself again
I cannot take this shit seriously

>>723049321
>need to rewrite dialogue
>have to include foreshadowing elements before the story even finishes
>the sheer horror of coding unique interactions
>changing character model stances and appearance but still letting it be playable more than being a poopy reskin
On the one hand I can't blame Chinese Room entirely but the decision to not include a real Malk choice is pretty blatant proof that the game would be live in the shadow(heh) of Bloodlines

>>723049259
Something about women writers yeah, not all of them are bad like that but they generally seem to like making things overly simplified and personal. And any complexity comes often with no foreshadowing or connectivity

>>723033309 (OP)
It's out? First (second if you count Redemption) game was kind of a big deal but this one missed me completely.

>>723049964
nah its out on the 21st

>>723048752
>edgier than one because characters are inhuman sociopaths instead of believably human monstrous sociopaths who have a few things they care about
Edge is more like willingness to portray misfortune or mock characters not
>dude acts like a murderhobo x15

>>723048752
>it's way edgier than 1
What's edgy about it? Do you even know what that term means?

>>723049664
Fabien misunderstanding the genre is perfectly fine though Chinese Room and Paradox doing so, yeah

>>723049554
Probably true. They have trouble with anti-modern themes they cannot reframe as anti-capitalist.

>>723049771
>>723049841
This is giving me Odysseus flashbacks

>>723049841
Isn't Malkavian Fabien an Ian Thomas creation?

>>723050093
>Edge is more like willingness to portray misfortune or mock characters
But Bloodlines 2 is full of that.

>>723050474
Edgy is provocative, unconventional.
What is provocative or unconventional about this game?

>>723050474
Mocking safe characters and ignoring actual serious topics is safe-edgy and is sanitized and watered down though

>>723050164
>What's edgy about it?
Exactly what I said. Everyone is a complete sociopath. The first thing you do in the game is murder an innocent security guard who tried to help you. Then murder his friend who comes looking for him. And you feel absolutely no remorse for this. You tell Fabien about the good old days when you mass murdered with impunity, which was awesome. The game's tagline is "You are the monster" because that's fairly obviously the core idea behind the game. The game encourages you to do terrible things to humans minding their own business. It tonally leans more towards something like Prototype.

>>723050351
Fabien wasn't meant to be a schizo voice in your head in earlier drafts

>>723050664
>The first thing you do in the game is murder an innocent security guard who tried to help you
That’s it?

>>723050641
>Mocking safe characters and ignoring actual serious topics is safe-edgy and is sanitized and watered down though
Exactly how is Bloodlines 2 doing either of those things?

>>723050664
That’s not edgy, not unless you impaled him on a spike and told his friend, “Drac’s back, baby.” Then you rip off his friend’s balls and shoved them in his mouth when he started screaming and told him to “stuff it, faggot”. That would be edgy.

>>723050691
There were two versions of Fabien. The thinblood version was created by Dan Pinchbeck, who created most of the game's characters. After he left the studio and was replaced by Ian Thomas as narrative director and Alex Skidmore as creative director, Fabien was rewritten and merged with a Malk character from the planned story DLC to create the new version of Fabien.

Neither Bloodlines 1 nor Bloodlines 2 are genuinely edgy games. They're what teenagers think is edgy.

>>723050664
>it's edgy because you kill a security guard
What is this, 1950? It's like those people who think saying fuck is edgy lol

>>723050985
It's rather telling you never did anything like that in VTMB1, because that game really wanted you to feel connected to humanity.

>>723050973
Who in this thread said the original is edgy? Everyone I’ve seen talk about it has called it nothing less than pure new millennium cringekino.

>>723050973
I'll take soulful 2000s teenage edge over 2025 cat lady Bluesky "edge" any day, thanks.

>>723051040
Were it not for my current technological limitations I would post the webm of dialogue causing you to frenzy and kill an innocent civilian in the first game.

>>723051132
That's not the same thing. Bloodlines 2 doesn't give you a choice.

did b1 have stats and perks?
b2 doesn't seem to have any

>>723049771
>Bitch things I'm painted when I'm a 3 humanity elder who genuinely revels I'm murder and brutality to a degree most humans can't
Literally at a certain point of being a low humanity vamp the fact that you're a certain degree of sadism is what keeps you tethered to your humanity , like what the fuck. Not every elder is some sad boi

>>723049771
The scene where Gideon introduces Fabien to the court kinda reminds me of the scenes where the prince of Boston is indulging Leysha's schizo fantasies.

>>723050973
>>723051051
It wasn't overtly edgy sure but it still had real edge too it
>fat black guys
>hookers
>making fun of both types of politicians
>actual player chase for how to interact with NPCs at times
It wasn't edgy for the sake of being edgy but you could tell the devs didn't want the game to be safe

>>723051196
Yes it did and they worked sort of like Fallout to unlock dialogue options, they were cool

>>723051479
I can’t tell if this is bait or if it’s your actual dogshit opinion because I have grown-ass students who think like this IRL and believe watching true crime TV is taboo because of violence against women.

>>723051479
>>making fun of both types of politicians
But the thing is, Bloodlines 2 does that. It mocks Donald Trump types. It mocks delusional vampire reformers. It pokes fun at prostitutes.

>>723033309 (OP)
idk who picrel is but she looks like the evil director of BET from the boondocks

Bloodlines 2 gives me James Gunn vibes in its approach to edgy and sexual content.

>>723051597
>it mocks Donald Trump types
Safe, let's see them mock Bidan or Nancy Pelosi before you can claim that
>vampire reformers
Eh, that's like a setting bit. No judgement I can make here
>Prosti's
Lol, rarely especially compared to the first game

>>723050973
>girl getting fucked by her father as a child and then blowing his head off with a shotgun as he came
>tzimisce snuff film ring
>exposing an actress’s beastiality vids which causes her to kill herself and then laughing about it
>a father going insane thinking his wife is cheating on him so he kills her and their children
>your own personal blood slave that will kidnap some dude and you can kill him or threaten him with rape accusations to fuck off and keep quiet
>calling the sheriff magilla gorilla
>the south lands slasher
>not edgy

>>723051767
forgot pic

>>723051779
tbf James Gunn has the yoke of Disney and DC/Warner over his head before he can even consider anything remotely more mature

>>723051597
LMAO

>>723051967
ngl I got a boner from learning about Therese’s childhood

>>723052170
I know, you have deep, dark fantasies.

>>723051196
>>723051540
Each skill that unlocked dialog options even had its own font.

>>723051967
That portrait hangs on your wall in VTMB2, funnily enough.

>>723052295
I like how all those skills still amount to 4 dialogue options, just like VTMB2. Except VTMB2 doesn't gate flirting behind a seduction stat.

>>723052295
That was quite kino indeed

>>723052430
I think it's just to give your character a non-violent option or workarounds but usually every one of those options gives you XP or they have different results instead of all just being
>Yes (fight)
>Lore
>Yes (avoid fight)
>No (yes, later)

>>723052430
Do you like that's just coincidence and you can get 8 or more dialog options?

>>723052430
Except for the part where it's not like VTMB2 in spirit, execution or concept. God you tards are awful at this. Just completely incapable of understanding the nuance of the conversations humans are having.

>>723051967
You forgot the cannibal who gives you quests while she's actively eating human flesh with blood smeared all over her mouth. And you have the option to send innocent people to her to eat.

Anyone saying VTMB wasn't edgy is a braindead retard.

I

>>723052483
>>723052430
I think important to note some alternative dialogue choices even lead you straight to a fight instead of being an instant work around depending what character you're trying to do it to

>>723052534
VTMB2 is basically VTMB1 without the CRPG baggage, completing its transition to action RPG.

>>723033309 (OP)
The game isnt even out yet you dumb fucking retard.

>>723052535
Or the snuff film studio.

>>723048856
Stupid fucking moron.

>>723052631
Except for the many, many parts where it's nothing like VTMB1.

>>723052535
>You forgot the cannibal who gives you quests while she's actively eating human flesh with blood smeared all over her mouth. And you have the option to send innocent people to her to eat.
Is that really edgy compared to 2? 2 seemingly has similar stuff. Lou has "particular tastes" which makes that quest from the Trophy leaks make sense.
A Willing Victim
Convince Verona to be Lou Graham’s next drink.
A Dire Warning
Convince Verona to stay away from Lou Graham.
Lou's disdain for the modern era and love of the 1920s makes a lot of sense when you notice that the vampires are doing a lot of "we don't do that sort of thing anymore" stuff back in the 1920s flashbacks, like blood orgies.

>>723052801
Such as?

>>723052631
>an action RPG for lobotomites who want a first person view but want none of the benefits of tight action, level design, and interactivity of dishonored or dude sex
It's so flawed in concept entirely that

>>723052894
forgot to finish, my bad
It's so flawed that it's hard to believe any actual thought was going on during any recent development

>>723052812
You really are the most pathetic faggot. And that is nothing compared to all the shit that was previously mentioned. Headbutt a coat hook you walking stillbirth.

>>723052851
The parts where it's trying to be an action rpg instead of a crpg for one. A fucking zucchini has more brain matter than you.

>>723053257
But Bloodlines was an action RPG, not a real CRPG.

>>723052894
VTMB2's action is a lot better than Dishonored or Deus Ex. Interactivity, sort of a mixed bag. Big focus on physics props, but way more murder focused.

>>723053516
they need to take away your pay.

>>723053570
No, there's no currency system in Bloodlines 2, unless you count resonant blood.

>>723053516
I kind of respect that opinion but I'm going to have to strongly disagree, it doesn't really match the fluidity and strong design intent of Dishonored as well as how interactive the actual combat is with the gameplay system

>>723052973
What flaws? It seems extremely well designed.

>>723054106
In what sense, though? How is Dishonored's combat more interactive?

>>723052513
>Do you like that's just coincidence and you can get 8 or more dialog options?
Which never happens. Most dialogue in VTMB1 is 2 options.

>>723054106
>>723054172
Stop replying to yourself you fucking freak

>>723033309 (OP)
yes, yes, but did you play it?

>>723054475
Schizo.

>>723054121
>>723054172
Well essentially Dishonored has a more sandbox approach to combat where all of your various powers, which are also useful for the imsim aspects of engaging with the level design, can be combo'd together with your combat tools and weapons to create some neat combos or interactions, stuff like time stop and putting a razor white on an arrow, or walking a dude into bullet, or doing cool stuff with blink or windblast. Sure Bloodlines 2 has neat stuff going on but most of it is basically
>you instakill a number guys

>>723054639
Doesn't VTMB2 have basically every power that Dishonored has, from the shadow walk to the time stop?

>>723054639
>>723054720
That said, I get what you mean in terms of Dishonored having a more intersecting systems-driven mindset.

>>723052713
lmaooooooo found the triggered dev

So is she meant to be Lou's biological sister or is it a fellow childe kinda thing?

>>723054720
It has good power variety but it doesn't really physical tools, I know guns are mook control or during the telekinesis ability, but I know the fundamental aspects of it are just kind of more raw combat orientated and a lot less focused on being a sandbox. Sure it's perfectly fine and it works but if it's trying to be vampire dishonored it sort of misses a lot of what makes dishonored standout in exchange for purely being vampire flavor and having an admittedly more fleshed out plot and story interactions, like some middle ground between dishonored and Bloodlines. Though I don't expect it to please players of either particularly very well personally

>>723055136
I can actually see where the AI would pause to load more script in this text. This shill campaign is turning me into fucking Neo.

>>723040491
No bat wings. It's just a magical glide.
Presumably, it triggers a masquerade violation if someone sees you doing it, but I don't know for certain.

Gamea take themselves too seriously. Go dead Interview With the Vampire, the book VtM is based on. It's almost a comedy.

>>723055785
>shill campaign where I actively say I don't expect the game to please anyone

>>723049771
He's the grand-child of the villain. Obviously.
>>723051270
That's from a Fabien flashback. She's not talking to Phyre.

>>723054847
They have different last names and hair colors, so probably sibling childer.

>>723033309 (OP)
Probably. I think there is humor there but its not very good.

>>723055938
It’s not a comedy, it’s just written by a woman.

>>723056763
The movie exposed the book for what it is: a comedy. And Anne Rice worked on the movie as well. Louis and Lestat and especially Claudia are fucking messed up. Lestat starts a band, tell me that's not comedy gold. Louis is all moody and grim then he's like Can we pweeeaze embrace this little girl?? Then Lestat the madman actually does it and Louis and Claudia get a bit too close. Louis is like the everyman even. Lestat wants to have sex with his own mother and his boyfriend. He was hypersexual in life just as much as in afterlife.

>>723051967
Hang on what was the bestiality?

>>723033309 (OP)
>legitimately though VTMB2 was cancelled.
>decided to check the steam page.
>the description and first couple of seconds of the trailer makes me think it's another mass effect, fallout 4 or cyberpunk where you're a specific character instead of a blank slate just so we can have a voiced protag.

i kinda hate that about modern vidya RPGs (almost as much as the thearter kids & waifufags) i don't want to be a commander shepard, the sole survivor or V. i wanna be my own character. i could just play a JRPG if i wanted otherwise.

I wanna be free.
I wanna be, me.

>>723057459
Am I the only person who reads my dialogue choice out loud when playing FNV or VTMB?

>>723036830
Seattle has a history of people being retarded idiots, failed policy, and prostitution.

>>723052535
cute

>>723042507
It's gonna be great

>>723048508
It's anti-shill anon!

>>723035142
Disco Elysium was hilarious.

>>723033580
>slap
die

Do I need any patches or whatever for Vampire: The Masquerade Redemption?

>>72303330
>half-arsed rage-and contrarianbait
Your incessant shilling has put more people off, than game could have hooked by happenstance. I'd praise you for it, if it had been your intention -- but you're just underqualified and overpaid.

>>723063424
India really isn’t sending their best…

>>723033309 (OP)
When will the Toreador trailer be released?

>>723046378
Aside from there only being 6 options, the short hair one is the specifically lesbian sort of pompadour that only the most obnoxious of faggots have ever worn, when it was in vogue 10 years ago. The Adam Ruins Everything guy had a huge one like this, everybody else at least had the decency to keep that silly hairstyle proportional to their head. It doesn't help that Phyre is a pencil necked, narrow shouldered twink.

>>723066430
This week around Wed.

>>723066430
Reminder that the Toreador trainer is played by a "trans male". (Unclear if the character is mean to be trans or not.)

>there's not enough quips in my videogmaes!!!
people will complain about anything

>>723067953
The most annoying complaint I’ve heard, as a video game developer, is that “there isn’t enough video gaming in my video game”. Like, what? Do you like your water extra wet or something??

>>723051967
And there was a character who was regularly raped by a mob boss. When she sends you to confront him, you can side with the mob boss instead and kill her

>>723068805
To be fair with tits like that you’re just begging to be molested.

>>723033580
i had no interest in vampires and still really dont, and the game was janky, but the soundtrack, atmosphere and soul made me finish it. must be tough to replicate that in today's world where everything must be soulless and sterile.

>>723068504
I don't know about you, but I do like my water to be /liquid/.
If I ask for a glass of water and am given some paste so viscous it can barely be drank, if at all, I'm definitely bothered.

>>723069781
It’s possible, but it wouldn’t have “wide market appeal”. The first game was a commercial failure and is only a cult classic for several reasons, and if we’re talking atmosphere, not many people are willing to swim in the goth scene.

>>723033309 (OP)
looks and plays like modern slop, guaranteed

>>723069781
>>723070020
What gives with the corporate UI though? All games look as though they're Detroit Become Human. Mafia is a good example of that as well.
The shitty blood and HP bars of VTMB were a big part of what made the game unique. Don't get me started on the guitar chord playing upon gaining experience.

>>723070220
It’s difficult to make a new UI in UE so it’s best to just use the default settings that come with the program to save time.

>unironically discussing that shitty cashgrab
fuck off shill

>>723033309 (OP)
that's every modern game because
>le humor is offensive

>>723070565
One day I’m going to create a background character that’s racist, sexist, and homophobic, using all of the slurs, and he’s going to be “lowkey my fav character ong fr fr no cap” as the youth would say today.

>>723060703
Everyone is against shilling you cock juggling whoreson.

>>723057120
Tawni Sessions

>>723071142
But not everyone is anti-shill anon, you uneducated, hard-of-understanding, fatherless wretch.
>inb4 "*I* AM anti-shill anon" shitposting

>>723071192
What did Tawni know about llamas that I don’t??

>>723072003
That's the one thing I can't forgive the game: the clothing. I'm glad the company they used for those designs had to close down. Feels deserved.

>>723033309 (OP)
Game looks good to me.
>white male mc
>dialogue choices
>arpg
>hot vampire bitches
>sexo/romance confirmed
>doesnt seem to be pandering too much to lefties, didnt get the ick from any ugly trans or gay people in the trailers
>no denuvo, is on gog and steam from the get go
No real red flags yet except for the lesbo coded female MC and the cringe phyre name that shows that at least some of the writers are incredibly low IQ if they can get tricked to think it's a real armenian name. I'm not expecting great writing or gameplay, but I'm fine with a flawed gem 8/10, just like the original VtMB was. I'll pirate it, and if I like it purchase it.

>>723033309 (OP)
I'm still not even going to pirate it.

>>723071192
Why does that llama look like a kangaroo?

>>723071192
Why does that llama look like a Cobson?

Is this the first thing you say upon seeing a priest?

>>723072750
No, I tell them that god isn’t real and trans rights are human rights and then do a 360 and walk away

>>723072750
Many are saying this. You either go to church if you're a old person and use it as a social event to gossip with other old people. Or you go because there's a hot priest or nun there. Nobody actually believes in sky daddies anymore. Even in Mosques people only come to stare at thick hijabi asses in thongs.

>>723068805
>regularly raped
it was a willing transaction

>>723072750
Jesus Christ, how old is she?

>>723035986
Wonder which vampires you can suck

>>723072173
There are some options which are fine- namely the BH one in this case, if only because it covers so much of Phyre's odd proportions. I can't get over these narrow shoulders.

and this guy's tie looks like it was made by ai

>>723073864
None of these are fine!

>>723074420
I'm sure that tie would look positively dashing if he were to turn his head a bit to the right.

>>723074420
its a toreador rose

>>723072750
Can you tell her no, because she is too old?

>>723074854
Is it? That's a Banu Haqim option as far as I know, and the collar is horribly misaligned anyway

>>723073864
God I fucking hate Brujah like you wouldn't believe. The designated numale antifa clan that thinks they're tough. Disgusting bunch of fags.

>>723068805
That literally wasn't rape. She whored herself to him, then didn't want to whore anymore, so got a hitman to kill him, so as to retain what he had given her.

>>723075397
It has a pocket chain. It's Toreador. Wearing these sort of clothes makes women (and men) want to fuck you.

>>723075669
It's Banu Haqim as seen here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYlYzXLN0XU
The shirt collar is misaligned and the tie doesn't connect to the knot.

>>723052535
Still would

>>723049075
The word choice fits in that instance but "streetwalker" also seems to be the default lingo

>>723073864
Is it possible to create a female character that doesn't look like a pantsuit lesbian? Like picrel for example?

>>723033309 (OP)
Look at the last IP from a White Wolf game. Werewolf: Earth Blood. Was it a bad game? No, but it was a bland stealth/beat 'em up.

>>723076342
There are a couple of hair options which aren't horrible. Can't customize the face so the bitch faced dyke look is universal, though. Regarding to pantsuits, there are no skirts or dresses since the clothing is the same for both male and female Phyre. Same for the hair, accessories and everything else

>>723076845
Out of those five hair options, which ones do you consider not horrible?

>>723076845
What have they got against femininity? Imagine spending years and millions of dollars developing a game and then deliberately making the main characters unappealing.

>>723033309 (OP)
I got a weird lore question for the experienced vampire people in this rpg setting. Can the non-combat clans ever be strong enough to beat the combat clans? Can a vampire from the pretty boy clan or ceo clan defeat a vampire from the assassin or tank clan in a fight? I can't tell if they're all supposed to be equally powerful or balanced.

>>723077147
There's two settings, and within those two settings multiple editions, and also cross splats, too. But, long story short. The game isn't about fighting. Any clan, race, whatever can be turned into a combat monster if that's what you're going for. But, sometimes you want to make a Crack Head Mage that doesn't realize he can actually use magic and then angst about it like an emo faggot for ten sessions straight.

>>723077081
Half of gamers are women, and most gamers are over 40yo and struggle with getting erections or wouldn't want to play a game that their wife/husband or kids could sneak up on them and see a goth girl in a microskirt and a thong on the screen. Vidya isn't for horny nerdy young men anymore, it's a mainstream hobby for the aging population of the first world, and is nowadays played by both men and women. What devs should instead do is just enable modding, so that coomers can mod games however they like. I wouldn't say the characters in this game are ugly, most have conventionally attractive faces beyond the obvious intended freaky ones. It's just the default fem mc that looks like trash, but if you play as a woman you deserve that.

>>723072173
Some of the outfits aren't completely awful. I don't know what they were thinking with a bunch of them though

>>723033976
More power to them for cucking some idiots out of their copyright rent.

>>723077147
Oh, and unofficial racial combat tier list if you give a shit for Old World of Darkness

Vampire>Werewolf>Mage in ascending power creep. There are exceptions within NPC abilities, but this the basic truth of any PC match up.

>>723076975
The one shown in the picture and the one with the bun, to the right of it.

The voice acting is insane

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4lGxGB0uhM

This game is going to be so kino

>>723077290
Women play phone games.
And men over 40 like looking at attractive women just as much as younger ones.
Chinese games have no problem putting beautiful women in.
You're pretending this isn't feminist/troon politics in play - it is.

>>723033309 (OP)
It's over for games. ai is the future. devs create games only for their own taste. ai respects everyone

>>723077297
>what they were thinking with a bunch of them though
Lasombra are connected to the catholic church, that's what.

>>723077556
Most devs in the west are still middle aged white men, with a growing minority of women and bipocfolk who aren't the in leading positions most of the time. If corposuits that are predominantly white straight men felt it'd make them most money and sell to most people to make games targetting predominantly straight young white men, they'd do that. They just from demographics don't think that's a wise idea as the richest countries in the world have a predominantly urban and diverse young population, where white young men are no longer the overwhelming number one population, and vidya is starting to appeal to young women and bipoc boys too. That's not to say that some of them don't disagree and think it's best to make games pandered to young horny men, for example gacha games or marvel rivals. There's very little ideology at play here beyond a few troon and gay writers writing out their frustrations in quests. The white men leading these companies think that it's a good idea and allow it, otherwise it'd be forbidden as it'd impact profits. But they can see that 25% of gen z is LGBT, and around 50% of gen Z in america is non-white. It'd be a bad idea not to make diverse games.

>>723077685
The priest outfit is one of the good ones I meant. It's thematic, looks good, and can hopefully lead to some interesting interactions

the nu-tremere logo is fuckign soulless, why did they change it?

>>723035626
its cute that 4changs thought their opinion are valued enough for devs to send shills here

>>723077081
>>723077290
The issue isn't that half of gamers are women, but the issue is women. The bitter feminist types who were in college 10-15 years ago, now not only work on these games, but some actually lead. These two for example. You might not be able to tell from the picture, but they're both fat pronoun dykes, with clear dislike for both traditional femininity and beauty, AND pleasing men by giving them what they like.
Unironically read Notes from the Underground and see how the bitter loser seeks to enact revenge on the whole world for his or her shortcomings. It might materialize through being a deliberately slow and off-putting functionary, bloody revolution, or intentionally making yourself so ugly that you cause discomfort to the world who looks at you. This is what they did to the game as well.

>>723078250
you typed all that and yet you still jerks off to women, your ass better be gay

I'm here for my government assigned vamp gf

>>723078320
There are bitter men and non-hateful women as well

>>723051967
>>723052535
presentation matters

>>723052430
>VTMB2 doesn't gate flirting behind a seduction stat.
Is that supposed to be a positive? Do you understand anything at all about RPGs?

>>723078250
I can sort of see it, there are a lot of weirdly mentally ill frustrated lefty/lgbt/feminist devs that are desperate to get rid of what they percieve is toxic masculinity and male gaze / pandering in vidya, due to always feeling orchastrized by society themselves and never being accepted in real life. That's not all of them though, some of my favorite vidya and characters like Dragon Age: Origins and Morrigan were written by a gay dude, Fallout 1 and 2 were made by a gay dude. And many straight white guys make absolute terrible shit games like Todd Howard my manlet king. The reality is that HR/marketing tells ceos that the games will sell better if they're more omni pandering and careful about not being toxic or politically incorrect, which the CEOs look at the data and accept. The CEOs who are white and straight men, and couldn't care less about culture wars or helping "their" people, as they don't see you as "theirs", and see a black rich gay person as their contemporaries and equals rather than a working class white straight man like you. This can change though, Asmongold is incredibly popular and there's a growing dissatisfied population of lonely incel men who are frustrated at games being too omni-pandering who many devs and ceos are now starting to notice because their numbers are too big, and are starting to change course. There's no real politics involved when it comes to AAA titles, it's just what makes you most money.

>>723067671
Also compare her to the original version of the character, they made he uglier and older looking.

>>723077898
>bipocfolk

>>723071192
this Kangaroo Jack sequel's looking a bit weird...

>>723072750
that would be hot if she didn't look like a grandma

>>723078791
I sit down and listen when bipoc trans queens are speaking. Get over it, chud.

sometiems I get interested in the game, but when I come here and see shills shitting on the previous game I feel morally obliged to not give them any money

>>723077290
women love cute girls in video games

>>723079149
Yes, for the most part. They like to self-insert as cute female characters, cosplay them etc. They don't like men sexualizing them and posting about how a game is shit because they can't fap to it. Because in reality a female gamer isn't the average stacey, it's mostly a nerdy bookworm femcel that looks like the women chuddie gamers mock like Mary Jane in Spiderman 2 or the asian girl in the new flavor of the month game abbreviated GoY. This problem would be solved by men simply playing and purchasing only games with male MCs, and then the devs would automatically make female MC games more male gazed to get the audience back. But if most men are unbothered about the female MC being an average looking woman with no angle frauding and no makeup, then the devs won't care and will feel like they're doing a moral thing helping women feel like they're accepted and represented no matter how conventionally unattractive they are.

>>723037961
>The whole point of punk is punching UP.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
congratulations you're a faggot

>>723078683
That's true, yeah. It's not a question of gay and straight or guy or girl, it's a question of bitterness from the grunts and hunger for power from the top. Much like Lenin was more interested in power than worker's rights, and the revolutionaries who killed the Tsar's family were more bitter and envious than deeply concerned with injustice, the CEOs of today seek profit, and the devs, in this specific case, seek to ruin the game experience for everyone else, under the guise of some project of societal progress.
You think Lacroix wanted the sarcophagus because he earnestly wanted to protect the Camarilla?
You think Damsel was Anarch because she profoundly wanted equality for all?

>>723079012
go back to sucking dicks on reddit

>>723043862
Have you lived under a rock when it comes to modding sites and banning mods?
Are you just pretending to be retarded?

>>723079428
>They don't like men sexualizing them
Somehow I never had a problem enjoying Tomb Raider because men were sexualizing Lara Croft, and rule 34 of Evangelion doesn't stop anyone from cosplaying Asuka.

I think people just need to stop looking for excuses to be mad at everything.

>>723076132
Thanks for the correction.

>>723079664
done, now what?

>>723037961
>I want to police you and you should abide by these rules
>no, I refuse authority and will react violently to it
Alright, alright that's pretty cool
>b-b-b-b-but my rules are totally punk and you should let me police your behavior and language
I'm not convinced there buddy, I think I'd rather see those kind of people curbstomped too.
The villain that hides behind a blanket of weakness isn't exactly a new trope. The "you can't kill me hero, look how unarmed and helpless I am" or in other words, you wouldn't punch down would you? Even after obvious attempts at vying for control. Even the most goody two shoes comic book heroes falling for that shit got old decades ago.

>>723079000
the original game was bad, it just had a cool edgy theme

>>723077297
>female priest

>>723072361
Because you don't know what a llama looks like.

>>723079610
>>723078683
And I forgot to add- the sensible man should give a shit if the pendulum swings and culture becomes overtly right wing again. You've said it yourself, it would be a device of manipulation from the Ventrue at the top to make you spend more money on their soulless and dishonest culture-appropriate product. One should just want games made by passionate devs uninfluenced by politics or culture, to the extent where it's possible

>>723079610
>You think Lacroix wanted the sarcophagus because he earnestly wanted to protect the Camarilla?
What other reason could he have possibly had?

>>723033309 (OP)
Where have you been Shill. There hasn't been a thread in a bit.

>>723077425
how much do you get paid for each post?

>>723080451
To diabolise the ancient vampire everyone thought was inside it and thus become more inherently powerful himself.

>>723080510
about as much as a night with your mom

>>723080451
Personal gain.

>>723049369
Do they know what a detective does?
He follows cheating spouses for money from distrustful, hypocritical cheating spouses.
He wiretaps phones, bugs rooms, takes creeshots of people's lives
He solves the big mystery of how to pay this months rent by interfering with a police investigation
Rarely he does something good like helping find someone who was kidnapped.
>>723057817
I do that too.
>>723070403
>>723070220
You'd have to hire someone who understands graphic design, user interface design instead of simply giving an HIV positive monkey a few squares to color and lines to slap onto default UE5 presets
>>723073864
>tremere is kazuma kiryu with AIDS
>clip on suspenders
>imbatukum is spirit halloween costume for a comet pizza party
>ventrue got his 1% wool 99% recycled radioactive polyester coat from H&M
>brujack is pure antifa aids with a bomber jacket that's too long to be a bomber jacket and too short to be any other leather jacket, shiny spandex or latex gimp suit bdsm prostitute pants

Gotta love all the organic discussion ITT

>>723080431
I don't think you are a sensible man if you ever thought AAA video games are anything but corporate products. Even in the golden age of vidya (whatever that might be, as everyone has different nostalgia glasses on their schnoze), it was the same. The reason a lot of chuds don't like games now is because instead of them being blatantly pandering towards them, they now pander towards a new demographic that has a sort of pandering that doesn't appeal to them. A high iq high-brown gamer would understand that video games are toys that inherently cannot have any artistic or writing integrity or value as they're humongous corporate products done by massive teams where not one person can be sincere in what they're doing as they don't feel the product is "theirs" but is just a job they're working on, sterile and boring. You should just accept you want male power fantasy games and only play those games and boycott the rest publically, that's the only control you have over projects, intimidating the devs into thinking you're large in numbers and dissatisfied with their work, like other demographics do to them as well which causes the current pendulum. There's nothing sincere in vidya, never has been, the ones that ruined vidya are pseuds that try to see something in them that doesn't exist. RPGs are only popular because they let you self insert, romance people, kill antagonists, feel powerful, and giggle while making unimportant dialogue choices that make you feel good for leveling some stat. High brow people either don't play games, or they play multiplayer games that are simply a test of one's player skills vs another, with no pretense of quality or storytelling or deep gameplay systems. Just dopamine and dueling.

>>723042954
I have enjoyed the vns so I'm sure I can enjoy vtmb2. Just don't expect something like the original bc it won't be.
The game has been in development hell for at least 4 of the 6 years of dev time. It's a miracle it hasn't been cancelled.
That leaves TCR with a couple of years to clean the mess and assemble something playable.

>>723081208
There are a few levels to this. Surely you could apply these same standards to music where, indeed, the artist is under some sort and measure of control from the label, but I wouldn't call all non-independent singers or bands corporate products. Even before any notions of corporations, all artists lived and died by their patrons' whims (which was a better system of course) and certainly had to cater to their whims to some degree, but that doesn't mean that their sincere interests and likes, souls if you prefer, weren't poured into their creation.
As far as I'm concerned, when a product is specifically designed to check marketing boxes and cater to a group of people as dictated by higher-ups, you can call it corporate, "soulless" and so on. But when you can tell the artist (or creator, even dev) took risks and wrote and designed based on his or her sincere passion, clearly not intending to make it some commercial success, it's hard to hand-wave it as just another commercial product. I doubt Todd consulted with marketing specialists in some corporate board room when he had Kirkbride write entire histories, religions, myths and superstitions into Morrowind.
And for what it's worth, I'm not into "male power fantasies" and the nekkid girls in VTMB1 were never a selling point for me, they in fact lowered my enjoyment of the game.

>>723033309 (OP)
I find the lack of sexo in VTMB2 problematic.
VTMB was pure sexo.

>>723080451
To diabolise the ancient vampire everyone thought was inside it and thus become more inherently powerful himself.

>>723082181
Most of the high-brow elitists that consume music or literature certainly do judge the artist by whether he sold out and when his music started becoming commerical and pandering for wealth. The reason it's not considered in vidya is because there can be no vidya that's sincere, meaningful, and art. That's the way I see it. I think some of the older AAA games were certainly more labors of love and had most of their artistic integrity, but I don't think a single one could stop pandering. It's similar with anime, weebs will call people who call out the terribly dull anime tropes as tourists, but in reality it just shows you how insincere and scared of trying something new mangakas and anime animators are, they are owned by japanese corpos and not paid well enough to not obsess over pleasing the audience, so every animeslop has to have fan service and the same tired jokes. So anime is not art either, as long as it's produced by a large japanese company that would be akin to an AAA game. I can see artistic merit in a game like SOMA or even something like Firewatch, there's no artistic merit in any AAA game I ever played. They just pander to get sales. The reason women were constantly in bikinis and thongs in old vidya, and are now nonbinary butches is because vidya has no integrity and serves only imagined audiences they wish to please. Obviously both left and right will swear it's different now, and that they aren't all self-obsessed losers that only approve of things that pander to them, it's hecking valuable and meaningful to society to make this change, I would never ever ever never only support and create stuff that benefits my in-group, etc.

I'm not saying all AAA vidya are guaranteed to be 100% trash, I enjoy most AAA games, I just see them for what they are. Casual fun. I think there's a genuine ideas put into game's too (Morrowind), it's just that in the end it's all ruined by the pandering that makes it seem insincere.

I know the shill is using AI to make huge walls of text and replying to himself with them. I don’t know what purpose it serves, however.

>>723083085
Yea I see where you're going. I'm not really one to necessarily call video games "art", but they definitely can have artistic qualities- in terms of writing, music, worldbuilding and potentially acting- though rarely is acting an artistic endeavor, but that is another discussion.
So when you say that there's no vidya that's sincere or meaningful, what I take that to mean is "there's no vidya which features meaningful and sincere writing, music and worldbuilding" which I'll say is blatantly false. In our case, I think Rik Schaffer made wonderful art with the Hollywood theme, and from what I remember from some interview or other, he was suffering from withdrawal at the time of composing, so certainly there's sincerity there. And I think that the way that song maps onto the atmosphere of Hollywood could constitute some form of art.
I don't know how to compare all of this to anime, since I generally dislike it and don't see it as a serious medium- although surely there is some artistic merit to (only some) animation, but I think an example better than music is the movie industry. Movies are inherently commercial, more people work on a movie than on a video game etc, but surely some are art. You'd have to be a bit strict to call all nude scenes, for example, "pandering"- why stop there, are all cool shoot out scenes pandering as well?
All that to say, the only AAA games I've played from the last 15 years were Skyrim, which had its merits but I definitely wouldn't call it a "labor of love", Dark Souls III which was definitely pandering and a rip-off of the first one, and the first Kingdom Come, which I would definitely consider at least artistic. GTA V as well, but that was just to dick around with friends in multiplayer.
So I'll say I haven't considered bikini and sexy women when thinking about "pandering", I was thinking more about approaches with regards to culture and politics. I agree that all modern AAA games are corporate garbage.