Thread 723043469

We're never getting a Job system as good as this again.

>>723043469 (OP)
Move over, grandpa.

>>723043469 (OP)
FFV would probably be my favorite game if it wasn't ATB.

>>723043667
>ATB hate
Fuck off, zoomer

>>723043469 (OP)
I thought it was tedious

>>723043698
How is that a zoomer take that I prefer the older systems?

>>723043738
It's clear as fuck astroturfing. You got a shitload of zoomers who play Game of Thrones XVI and shit all over ATB.

>>723043469 (OP)
>30+ years old
That job system is so generic nowadays. There are better games with better jobs.

>>723043892
>There are better games
Unfortunately there aren't.

>>723043558
>grandpa
Anon, remind me when X-2 came out.

>>723043851
Well, I guess let me clarify - I like FFV a lot, I have a playthrough going right now near the end of world 1. I wish it was turn based - in magic wish land it would be CT like FFT to preserve the aspect of agility/time magic impacting turn economy. Any FF past X has kind of been shit for me.
Hated XV, probably would hate XVI if I'd played it.

>>723043469 (OP)
It's not actually that great of a system, and the games without it require more party building/tactical flexibility.

Just a boomer precursor for the better FFTA2 system.

>>723043469 (OP)
It's my favorite for sure but I can also admit that you snowball so hard that doing anything other than Rapid Fire/Dual Blade/Spellsword + 3 Mimes feels sub-optimal.

They will never do a job system again because they're not going to model 300,000 polygons 20 different ways for 20 different hairstyles for a single character.

>>723043469 (OP)

Not that good. Most of thr jobs are dogshit

>>723043698
ATB was a pointless gimmick in every FF in was in besides X-2 and 4

>>723044153
Maybe just have an outfit-based system then.

>>723043469 (OP)
We got one in Bravely Default

>>723043469 (OP)
What makes FFV's job system better than others?

>>723044182
>Most of the jobs are OP
ftfy
FF5 is one of those games where you have a ton of options and they all work because the game is too fucking easy for your choices to matter

>>723044358
ff5 has the best because it's the first one I played

>>723044312
BD uses the exact same job system as FFV with the only real difference being that they tried to force all jobs to have 16 abilities even if it didn't make sense and resulted in a ton of filler garbage
That and Freelancer was nerfed hard, which I guess is a positive

>>723044358
mixing and matching, freedom because like >>723044363 said the game is overall pretty fucking easy. Challenges four job fiesta are fun because most any combination is doable, but still requires some modicum of problem solving. Unless you have blue magic, which solves everything.

>>723043469 (OP)
>Get the wind crystal jobs
>Make everyone a blue mage
>Keep them that way until they get Learning.
Yep, time for some FF5.

>>723043469 (OP)
I like the jobs more in FFV than I do FFT. I never played FFT until this remaster. I heard how much people love the job system. I'm disappointed in it because of how many jobs feel useless on their own. I really dislike that style. A job should be good all on its own, but made better with cross-classing. I'm sure FFT will have some great combos later on, but it sucks that only the magic jobs and monk feel good on their own at the moment.

>>723044784
Tactics automatically has a better system just because it shows you what abilities you'll be earning before you earn them, ensuring you don't waste a bunch of time grinding to receive worthless crap. I hate that later games did not retain this

I've only played Bravely games. That really satisfied my job system itch. What does V offer that is superior to them in terms of job performance.

>>723043469 (OP)
Job system, shmob system. Give me back my sphere grid baby.

>>723043717
it insisted upon itself

>>723045040
Meh, I just looked it up on the internet. FF5 jobs are still better cuz the vast majority are good on their own.

>>723045175
I will never understand autismos who defend this garbage

>>723043717
What exactly is tedious about it?

Grinding Jobs for Abilities?

>>723043469 (OP)
even fucking Xenoblade 3 Job system is better.

hell, Disgaea games shit all over that job system

>>723045275
I don't defend shit, it's fun and I am autistic.

>>723043698
ATB is a gimmick.

>superarmoured gigawizard
4 and 5 were the best

>>723045109
Jobs in FFV feel actually strong. BD nerfed a lot of things from FFV. The only thing that's crazy OP in both games is Chemist/Salve-Maker and even then the FFV version is way more versatile

This guy is the best FF5-tuber if that makes sense I liked his challenge videos of “can you beat the game with these rules and restrictions?” Also ranking analysis videos on the Jobs.

The meta of FF5 renders a lot of jobs to be pretty lousy, though. If you want to challenge by choosing jobs that will make the game harder than yeah, I get that. But if you're just doing a regular playthrough?

Everyone needs to reach level 3 monk because then you can make any class fight barehanded and do decent damage and save a shit ton of money not buying weapons or armor they can't even equip. Step 2 - buy a fuckton of elemental rods at Karnak. Only black mages can equip rods in battle and use them by breaking them against enemies and bosses, and breaking rods trivializes virtually every single boss fight in the game all the way up to the point of reaching the Merged World after defeating Exdeath for the first time. Seriously, it's a free 2000 damage per rod, it's a no-brainer. The only exceptions are bosses that you can render worthless with gil toss, like with the Pyro enemies that cast Arise, the crystals in the forest, etc. A mastered Samurai can learn slash and that takes care of fucking everything up until reaching the very last area where Exdeath is for the final battle, since it doesn't work on dragon and heavy types.

>>723044358
I can make a Black Mage fight like a Monk barehanded or equipping Swords

I can make a Blue Mage use Zeniage or (Gill Toss) like a Samurai

Don’t even get me started on the broken Chemist job

>>723045621
Min-maxing was a mistake.

>>723043469 (OP)
>job system
I never got the point of that shit. Total waste of time.

Play Andrew's Game

>>723045634
Doesn't that just make every character the same though? Would a system that kept characters distinct be better?

As cool as the Dragoon is, it’s kind of a mid job

Nobody will be as cool as Kain Highwind.

i never played v, is the pixel remaster any good?

>>723045775
>Nobody will be as cool as Cuck Highwind

>>723045731
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDokgvuuS7E

>>723045775
There's some pretty good contenders for the title of coolest

>>723045741
Characters can be all the same, but you don't have to make them that way and doing so is rarely the best strategy regardless

>>723043469 (OP)
Are we ever going to even get niggas in a row again? I accept spinoffs like World of Final Fantasy. I played through the SNES games a few years ago for the first time and V was probably my favourite because of the jobs too

>>723045656
To be fair, it took a while for me to figure all that out on my own when I first emulated it years ago. It remains my favorite of the series and it'll never happen, but I'd love for it to get a full-blown remake since it's like the only one that didn't, other than FF6. Imagine VII Rebirth's combat but then using two ATB charges to switch between two jobs on the fly in battle.

>>723045880
Praise be to Auron, whose Armor Break helped me cut down Yu Yevon. 37 hours to get through X, had fun. Except those holy shrine segments, fuck that shit.

>>723043469 (OP)
the job system in tactics advance and XI were better but yeah final fantasy is finished as a franchise. sopffo was fun but the class balance was terrible and some of the classes were just straight up shit like blue mage

>>723045741
>Doesn't that just make every character the same though?

Perhaps the same could be said about FF6 if you choose to have everyone learn the same spells via Magicite instead of using their own unique skills such as Edgar’s Tools, Sabin's Street Fighter Commands or Cyan’s Bushido

>>723043667
I'm 99% sure you can just turn off ATB in the menu you fucking retard.

>>723043667
You can turn down the ATB to slow and put it to wait for you to use items.

>>723045994
You can prevent ATB from advancing while selecting things in submenus but you cannot turn it off completely

Nice! A Final Fantasy thread!

Ta-ta-ta ta-ta ta-ta-ta!

>>723044153
Strangers in Paradise and FF14 did it ????

>>723045731
It's pretty pitiful to see you still shilling this garbage.

>>723043469 (OP)
Why don't indie pixel shit RPG devs make a FFV/DQ3 successor instead of 100 more Earthbounds

>>723045175
What if every job you got gave you a different spot on the sphere grid

I've never beat a 2D Final Fantasy, what's the best place to start? I have the itch.

>>723043469 (OP)
It's a shame the job system was abandoned. What would a modern version look like if they continued to improve it? Could anything be done better than FFV?

>>723046156
There are plenty of job/class/character based games out there. You just need to look for them instead of expecting them to be handed to you on a silver platter.

>>723045731
For some reason most modern games like this look like shit to me graphically compared to games 30 years ago.

>>723046103
i hate stupid niggers that never played 11 and think shantotto was in any way relevant. not even a top 20 XI character

>>723046247
This actually looks pretty neat

>>723046247
why do you shill this game so much? it doesn't look that good.

>>723046225
I've only played 4 5 and 6 a few years ago in that order and really enjoyed them all. I never went back to the NES games yet

>>723046103
I liked XVI's take on the crystals being straight up bad for once, where magic just wasn't going to be good for the world in the long run and that Clive so believed that the world could still be a beautiful place worth living in afterward.

It's just a shame that the Eikon forms don't feel different enough to make combat feel like it's evolving, it stagnates a third of the way into the game, and that goes double for the lack of enemy variety. As soon as I played Stranger of Paradise I realized just how disappointing XVI's combat system was. Even more so when I had the most fun ever with VII Rebirth's combat.

>>723046292
My only knowledge of 11 is World of Final Fantasy and shes the only 11 character. But Vivi was the only 9 rep and fucking the 900 year old cat who was a girl was Crystal Chronicles rep. So fuck if I know anything about anything

>>723045880
I’ll give it to Auron he even got to be in Kingdom Hearts

>>723043667
what's the issue with atb?

>>723045958
>Imagine VII Rebir-
No. Leave action RPG shit where it belongs.

>>723046451
Nothing, I am just personally too unskilled to play ATB games well and like to cope about it in online discussions about games that utilize it.

>>723046229
I did like BD's idea of having support passives be equippable to separate slots than your active abilities, as well as combining all active commands for a job under a single slot. It made all jobs feel more flexible

>>723046389
I'm so tired of

>what if thing was actually the opposite thing
>what if superman was evil
>what if we are the bad guys
>what if Luke Skywalker was a loser

>>723046439
>twitter screenshot
>

Kick a blitzball and explode your head off

>>723046439
>Drops the hardest diss in a fucking Kingdom hearts game on fucking Hades
Auron truly was that guy

>>723046501
I think it was fine to explore that for just one game in the entire series. The crystals aren't even in some of the other games at all, and in most games they're more neutral in that they're powerful, but the world depends on who's wielding them. I love IV's silly approach where it just keeps throwing more and more crystals to keep the chase going. "Oh, there's actually dark crystals, too, don't worry, Golbez didn't get all of them". Then it's "Oh, we meant to tell you the fucking MOON has crystals, too". Then in V the crystals are a temp agency.

>>723046451
What's the point in ATB in Final Fantasy when all they ever did with it was don't attack the mist or don't attack the snail in it's shell?
They might as well commit to something like the modern games.

>>723046434
imagine the npc that's running circles in balamb garden from ff8 is the only mascot that ever gets used for ff8 crossovers. that's the equivalent of shantotto from xi

>>723046951
if i tried harder i did more damage. if i slacked off in fights i did worse. it's like a chess clock versus having infinite time to think about your move in checkers

>>723043469 (OP)
>Sakaguchi stops leading FF games
>the games start getting worse and worse instead of improving upon V's system which was improved upon III's system which was improved upon I
It hurts.

>>723045731
I would but my brother played it and said it gets grindy, and I'm pretty sure hard mode tells you outright that you'll need to grind.

>>723046353
>it doesn't look that good
Looks != gameplay
And it's even an anti-grinding game, since the intended difficulty settings prevent grinding entirely and/or reduce the game to just the bosses and lets you go from there.

>>723047165
III didn't improve on I
Changing jobs is an entirely different concept forum having a fixed party the whole game

>>723047374
>III didn't improve on I
I and III were create a party games and III tried to spice it up by letting you change your party as you played.

>>723047275
It doesn't though, I never needed to grind to beat any fight in the game.

>>723047031
It's annoying in JRPGs because the optimal move often becomes to just select Attack instead of scrolling through your long ability menu and selecting something more flavorful. If these games actually had a semblance of strategy and you didn't have a stupid "attack" command that was just as good as everything else that was more easily selected I think I would mind it less.

>>723047595
Did you play on normal or hard? Did you do all the optional fights?

>>723043558
X-2 is older than FFV at this point.

>>723047701
fair point. or rerolling to get a limit break in 8. personally as far as turn based went i liked tactics advance the most. the real time action shit like sopffo is good and even 16 has some good points but they should really lean more into the classic job system. XI had a great combat system even though it was auto attack based, all the classes felt great and different and had their uses

>>723043469 (OP)
>hmm who do I put on Thief duty this time
Because fuck having to fight every encounter.

>>723047953
>XI had a great combat system even though it was auto attack based
MMO combat can be really fun. WoW is fucking addicting because the gameplay is actually good. Xenoblade was basically offline MMO combat and was pretty fun. People hate on tab target way too much, I don't really get it.

the jobs are cool but i still think its shit how both active and support abilities share slots with attack and item commands
that and i want to use chakra AND focus while playing monk, not one or the other

>>723043469 (OP)
FFV is the quintessential Final Fantasy
That being said, Tactics Ivalice Chronicles just came out and it basically has the same job system.

>>723045175
>>723045275

>the sphere grid
>not a sphere
>not a grid
>just a straight line 95% of the time

>>723046389
FFV did it first

>>723047165
Why couldn't you stop him moving to Hawaii and making spirits within anon

Why didnt anyone stop him

Why

>>723048083
true i like it. it also works really well with controller because you can have conditional targeting for in/out of battle etc on the dpad

>>723043558
souless

>>723047712
Normal. Yes. I could easily do hard without grinding.

>>723046741
I dunno I so I got so turned off of ff16 from the very first trailer and its obvious GoT influence and realism I am probably too biased to give any of it a fair chance.

>>723048470
Because I was like 10 when it happened and I hadn't learned Japanese and moved to Japan yet.

>>723048547
they drop the ball on the story frequently. all of the conflict resolution feels so unrewarding because it's almost as if half of it was never completed by your hands. out of all the crap that is in 16 i actually quite like ultimas design. reminds me of a late 80s sci-fi movie

>>723048525
>I could easily do hard without grinding.
I'm not sure about that given that the game explicitly tells you that you'll have to grind if you play hard mode.

>>723044553
>Unless you have blue magic, which solves everything.
Whoever says this probably looked up a guide to get every blue spell. If you're playing you'll probably get like 5 spells max. There's a ton of spells that are literally never activated unless you trick them out of the enemies in some weird way.

>>723043558
>grandpa
Anon, I have some bad news for you....

>>723047031
skill issue you're retarded

>>723048258
ESL

>>723046179
Or each job was its own sphere grid that you slot together like Diablo IV's Paragon Boards. Linking boards together that aren't your main board gives stat bonuses but you have to progress the grid through one board to access another one that's linked to it. So say you get your first job and slot it to the upper part of your starting board, then, when you get another job, you can either slot it to the left/right/lower link to gain immediate access to it, or slot it to one of the three open sections of the first job you placed to make use of the bonuses it gives to whatever job(s) gets linked to it.

>>723047941
I don't think you understand how time works.

>>723043469 (OP)
We will when we get Bravely Third.

>>723049754
elaborate

>>723043469 (OP)
Bravely Default

>>723048832
That's pretty horseshit, anon. You'll get tons of useful spells just playing the game. You may have to use your brain for a bit to get the defensive ones that you see enemies cast on themselves, but using a Beastmaster to control them isn't exactly a huge brain required move. You'll miss out on some of them, sure.

>>723043978
>>723049172
You two shut up.

>>723045508
This guy is so kino, he always uploads a video when I'm sick or when my friends are fighting and it always makes me feel better

Final Fantasy Tactics: The Feminist Chronicles

>>723046058
So then it's turn based - only plus the extra tedium of starting at nothing for extended periods of time between turns.
>Calling someone a retard
>While being wrong
Good work, surely nobody saw that.

>>723046451
It fulfills a point of making speed matter, but does it in a way that's just clumsy/boring. Wasted time between turns, uninteresting boss gimmicks, shit like that. FFX/FFT had a much better implementation of the good parts of ATB without the bad.

>>723045175
>Curaga and Dispel under strength
>Haste under HP+
>Silence and Extract Mana under evasion
>Flare under accuracy
>Guard under magic
>T3 spells under agility
I don't get it.

>>723044153
No one asked for 300,000 polygons. They did that themselves and the industry has been dog shit ever since.

>>723051163
You're mad about an offhand reference in FFT when this was the entire crux of Faris' character in the game this thread is about. Ironic.

>>723046609
Open a Treasure chest and get…

Monster-in-a-Box

>>723048006
Back Attack!

>>723043469 (OP)
>grind endlessly to unlock jobs/skills
>99% of them are useless
Wow amazing "system", bro.

>>723048236
Wish you could use Kick with other Jobs or while being a Thief, replace Steal with Mug and have a free ability slot for something else.

>>723043469 (OP)
>We're never getting a Job system as good as this again.
V sucks and it's job system is mostly useless. Any other FF game with a job system is automatically superior because V is mediocre.

>>723046247
Great game but it doesn't have anything like a job system. It has a ton of characters with their own unique movesets.

>>723043931
Monster Girl Quest: Paradox
Crystal Project